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Clearing the streets

Posted: Monday, Feb 11, 2008 - 09:08:26 pm PST
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By LUCY DUKES
Staff writer 
JASON HUNT/Press
A city street worker uses a front-end loader to move snow and slush from the intersection of Linden Avenue and Sixth Street Monday.

Warmer temperatures have melted ice, let crews catch up

COEUR d'ALENE -- Drivers floundered on side roads this weekend, spinning their wheels in slush as deep as 20 inches in some places.

The city even had to plow out a fire truck that became stuck east of Ninth Street on Monday morning.

But city street superintendent Tim Martin said on Monday afternoon that he expected roads to be plowed by evening. A few streets will have to wait because the "ice floors" on some roads have not yet broken up. Martin especially mentioned those east of 15th Street. Those will be plowed when the ice breaks up. He anticipated the bumpy ice on roads around stops would be gone by the end of the week.

"It's patience. I know people are frustrated. They're tired of winter, but we can't be everywhere at once," he said.

Crews started opening streets at 5 a.m. Saturday. A full plow takes 38 hours, he said, advising the public to remove vehicles from the road whenever possible during plowing.

Among the hardest hit parts of town were north of Best Avenue, around Coeur d'Alene Place, and Pine Grove. Martin said conditions at Coeur d'Alene Place were the worst he's seen in years.

Some of the roads are getting narrow, too, such as Seventh, Ninth and Harrison.

"Fire trucks and some of our biggest trucks can't get through," Martin said.

The snow dumped on North Idaho has also resulted in potholes, especially on 15th Street, Atlas Road, Kathleen West of Ramsey and a few on Sherman Avenue, he said.

In Worley, roads remain poor in many areas. Gravel roads have thawed and turned so soft that they can't support heavy equipment. Plus, one of the Worley Highway District's snowblowers has broken down, said district supervisor Kevin Howard.

The roads were impassible on Friday because of blowing, drifting snow, but they began to improve that afternoon, he said.

The district hopes to have all of the roads that bring people into town and the major highways cleared to full width by Wednesday. When the rural roads get cleared depends upon the weather, Howard said.

A few roads are closed in the Worley area, including a 1/2 mile section of Finnebott Road and 4 miles of Bitter Road. No residents are trapped. The rest of the roads are open, but the majority are one lane only.

Slush is an issue, Howard said. If the gravel roads become impassable, the highway district will run equipment over them. However, the district wants to keep heavy loads off the roads as much as possible, he said.

Eastside Highway District officials expect to have roads cleared by the end of the week, provided the weather does not change.

"The warming trend has helped us tremendously," said road supervisor John Pankratz.

Eastside will clear major collectors and school bus routes first, with secondary and rural residential roads last on the list. All of the roads are open except for Alder Creek Road from Marie Creek Saddle Road to the top of the Fourth of July Pass.

"We're in pretty good shape until the water starts to run," Pankratz said.

It is possible water will run soon. The forecast calls for rain or snow for the next several days, according to the Kootenai County Office of Emergency Management.

Officials are advising homeowners to protect themselves ahead of time by contacting their local sand and gravel companies for sand and sandbags if they think they will have problems with melting snow in and near their residences.

They advise homeowners to contact their insurance companies for flood insurance advice. Flood insurance must be in effect for 30 days prior to any claims, a press release from emergency management states.

Officials also ask travelers to tell their highway districts and transportation departments of any pooling or flooding on roadways; make sure they have enough room to travel alongside another car; and use extreme caution on slippery ice at night and in early morning hours.

Residents are also asked to locate and clear snow away from fire hydrants.


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My 2 cents wrote on Feb 21, 2008 3:01 PM:

" You don't get out much do ya? if you did you would have seen that countless #s of small cars have been in need of a push to get them back on the roads, seen it myself, and like i said i helped em too, if you watched the 5 o clock news you would have seen it too, so when you say "don't see people needing pushed out AT ALL" were you sittin in front of the TV watching your daytime soaps this whole winter? I didn't see any four wheel drives upside down in a ditch either, you might have seen one, so lets not exaggerate here OK.
oh and BTW, I said I would help anyone so long as their license plate is red, white and blue. Your last sentence makes no scents at all, if "all" the oil is gone, their wont be any vehicles on the roads including japcrap, so what "favor" will you be doing for me? "

okay wrote on Feb 15, 2008 1:22 PM:

" You said you'd help get my "rice burner" unstuck, to which I said I don't need you to. I'm used to the weather, and actually I don't see alot people up here needing pushed out at all - most of us put on snow tires for the winter. I do see a lot of "big safe trucks" flipped over in the ditch because people "thought" they handled better in snow.
Remember, I wasn't complaining about you driving a truck, just saying that not everyone needs to. When's the last time you remember getting that much snow in CDA? And I know, it can seem like it, but winter's not 8 or 9 months long here.
Oh, I do applaud you for helping other's who don't have a fancy truck like yours. Maybe we'll return the favor when the oil's all used up and all we have to burn is "rice" ;) "

Who's worried? wrote on Feb 15, 2008 11:07 AM:

" When was the last time you saw people pushing "a big safe truck" out of two inches of snow? yeah, that's what I thought, ZERO. But on an almost daily basis you will see small "compact" vehicles off the side of the road, being pushed or pulled out or on the back of a tow truck....hmmm compact car or big safe truck, what to buy-what to buy.
And your right it took a while for some of our streets to get been really yes plowed, and during that time I bet I helped at least a half a dozen people and their go carts get unstuck. "

Don't worry wrote on Feb 15, 2008 8:32 AM:

" Don't worry, you won't be needing to pull me out. I've been in north idaho all of my life, and I know how to drive. I've been driving between bonners and sandpoint for 10 years in a front wheel drive compact, and yes, we get alot more snow than CDA. Your roads must have really been not plowed, or like you said, people still get stuck in 2 inches. Even in their big safe trucks. "

My 2 cents wrote on Feb 15, 2008 7:32 AM:

" Very well put, LMAO "

Welcome to North Idaho wrote on Feb 14, 2008 3:25 PM:

" We have 9 months of winter and 3 months of company! "

to dont need 4X4 wrote on Feb 14, 2008 11:14 AM:

" To me It's really not a matter of money (that much) if I know for a 90% fact that there wont be any issues getting both of my kids to two separate locations and myself to work in the mornings, and on time, the feeling of reliable security well makes up for that "extra" 80 bucks a month, which is exactly how much a tow truck will cost for you. I said 90% because the possibility that an "out of towner" crashin in to me is always there. But since I'm a nice guy I'll still help you get your front wheel drive with 4 inch ground clearance rice burner unstuck and out of the street, and ya know what it really doesn't matter if there is 10 feet or 2 inches people still get stuck, and being how winter is 8 months long here a 4 X 4 or AWD is not that bad of a choice. "

boxers wrote on Feb 14, 2008 6:34 AM:

" there is a solution! phoenix, san diego i hear they rarely if ever have snow. the forclosure market is prime i think you can buy a house that last year was worth 1.5 ml for about 750,000 dollars but be quick about it because if you don't buy soon the chinese will. thanks wal mart.
quit whining! and if you have a complaint the complaint dept. is down the hall so go to helen waite, i'm sure she cares about all you people who think someone else should take care of you. "

localbacker wrote on Feb 13, 2008 2:00 PM:

" What a bunch of sniveling whining cry baby people there are living here!! Always complaining and thinking you deserve more from our local departments....if half of you hadnt moved here in the first place there wouldnt be nearly the streets to cover....love it or leave it but please quit all your bitchen about everything....these guys are humans and doing the best they can!!! "

Where to push wrote on Feb 13, 2008 12:01 PM:

" I don't think anybody expected 120+" of snow. (That's 10 feet for some of you) I do not know of any plow that can push that much snow to the curb. But IF they did do you know where it goes? ONTO YOUR sidewalk. Then you are responsible to clear the 5 ft high wall of ice from in front of your home without throwing back on the road. Hmm, let me think..deal with the driving conditions and be patient or have to shovel more stuff than anyone wants to. No brainer there. Be patient whiners "

don't need 4X4 wrote on Feb 13, 2008 10:35 AM:

" To "My 2 Cents". Have fun putting double the gas in that four wheel drive - just in case the next 10 year storm happens. "

Most Part wrote on Feb 13, 2008 6:47 AM:

" For the most part they did ok with the snow removal. I don't understand not plowing the entire road. Some fairly main roads are down to one to maybe one and a half lanes. Isn't it normal to plow to the curb? "

Cynical Kid wrote on Feb 12, 2008 7:48 PM:

" so you don't think anyone south of Best votes. Waith until November. When your heads are handed to you, don't even think about doing the Hillary. We don't care! "

thank god its melting wrote on Feb 12, 2008 7:20 PM:

" Thank god it is finally melting - so I can stop hearing the endless whining - ughhhhh - here's a whine for you LEAVE - GET OUT - WE DON'T WANT YOU - WE LIKE IT HERE - WE CAN DRIVE IN THIS - WE APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK IT TAKES TO HANDLE AN UNUSUALLY HARSH SNOWFALL - THE REST OF YOU GO WHERE YOU CAN WHINE ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE.

ughhh so sick - no one can appreciate anything anymore.
"

drive around town.. wrote on Feb 12, 2008 7:16 PM:

" I took the day driving around CDA and there were very few streets that were not plowed. The city was removing snow from 4th to open the lane back up. What are you complainging about? Do you want your residential area or business route plowed?? Quit complaining and go move your car from the street so they can plow properly. "

Native wrote on Feb 12, 2008 6:43 PM:

" Plowing the entire main arterials should be a priority. Not just one lane in each direction on a 4-5 lane arterial.
Been down Appleway between NW Boulevard and Hwy 95 Lately?
The same with Kathleen Ave.
Try making a righthand turn at some of the major intersections. Where are the lanes?
Covered in 2-3 feet of ice and snow.
Plowing to the curb would be nice and much safer. "

to grumpy wrote on Feb 12, 2008 4:58 PM:

" you're exactly right, or the least they could do would be to warn you that theres only one lane instead of two bc they were to lazy to plow! I was driving south on 4th street on the part over I-90 and was in the right lane and all of a sudden it just ended and became a snow bank!! A truck almost ran right into us and i was almost rearended by a cop! Rediculous, remember the days when people took pride in their work?? "

grumpy wrote on Feb 12, 2008 3:47 PM:

" It would be nice if they started the year pushing the snow back so we don't lose lanes of traffic halfway through the winter. Why don't they plow to the curb? "

My 2 cents wrote on Feb 12, 2008 3:25 PM:

" what a bunch of complainers you guys are, have you actually been outside and have seen all the record snowfall out there, these plows are very busy now, sure they may not be running like the Swiss clock in your Lexus' but they are out there all during the day and well into the night, "be patient and they will come" this wouldn't be such a huge problem if the next time you go to trade in your BMW for a vehicle that has four wheel drive, there's still plenty of cup holders for your lattes, and now a days there are many nice classy looking four wheel drive cars and trucks that wont make you look like a hillbilly, this is friggin NORTH IDAHO for shyt sakes, known for many things, one especially being the harsh winters...hellooo, I have a very nice looking 4 X 4, I'm not a redneck hillbilly and guess what? I haven't got stuck once. There ya have it, you can thank me later. "

tim thompson wrote on Feb 12, 2008 2:36 PM:

" oh how great it is knowing sense i moved to tulsa,ok i dont have to deal this all that ice,snow and the cold. "

Elaine wrote on Feb 12, 2008 2:08 PM:

" Yeah, how nice that it seems they have gotten a couple weeks off. "

to Irked wrote on Feb 12, 2008 12:22 PM:

" streets didn't get behind...they just didn't get started. Was it a budget issue? Were too many people off on vacation? Were they permitted to stay in bed until the snow stopped and got packed down. They are trying to plow in the early morning now when the slush has refrozen. Why not plow until midnight when they can move the slush and gate driveways. Cars that are in the way need to be permanently bermed off the street. Push them over on their sides or at least over the curb. All these questions can be answered at city hall but they don't care. Their streets got cleaned and sanded so they could get to work. Our side streets did not. "

irked wrote on Feb 12, 2008 8:27 AM:

" "It's patience. I know people are frustrated. They're tired of winter, but we can't be everywhere at once,". NO people aren't necessarily tired of winter, they are tired of the fact that the city can't seem to get to these side streets until two weeks after the storm!!! "

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