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Ron Paul committee members fall short

Posted: Friday, Jun 06, 2008 - 10:28:31 pm PDT
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By TOM GREENE
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Needed more present for meeting to be official

COEUR d'ALENE -- Ron Paul supporters were unable to muster a quorum for another central committee meeting to elect officers and delegates for the Republican State Convention Friday.

A dozen GOP precinct committee members attended the meeting at the county courthouse, falling short of the 23 members needed in attendance for the organizational meeting to be official.

Ten precinct committee members called for the meeting and signed a letter to the chairman of the Idaho Republican Party claiming proper protocol was not followed at the May 28 organizational meeting.

"The precinct committeemen present and a few others believe the meeting last week was invalid because it does not comply with state law," said Clay Howard, a precinct committee member. "The contention and bitterness is unfortunate. I don't like it."

Longtime Republican central committee members have said the newly elected Paul supporters will divide the party by not supporting GOP presidential nominee John McCain. They contend Paul supporters will not fulfill the obligations required of the committee job and are attempting a hostile takeover of the committee.

Paul supporters say their constituents are not being represented after the central committee voted and approved a slate of pre-selected delegates to attend the June convention in Sandpoint.

Committee member Tony Wisniewski compared the stories he heard growing up told by his Polish parents about the communist Soviet Union to last week's meeting.

"What I am seeing at the county level is what they talked about in terms of Soviet-style elections," Wisniewski said.

Sen. Mike Jorgenson, R-Hayden Lake, is not a committee member, but spoke at the unofficial meeting Friday to say he took issue with the comparison.

"I can tell you, I'm Polish too," Jorgenson said. "To compare the Republican Party to the communist form is not realistic.

"I think it's a mischaracterization and an insult to the American way."

Jorgenson said instead of "taking over" the committee, Paul supporters should work within the party that "needs your enthusiasm."

"I think you guys absolutely need to be part of the party. You bring something the party desperately needs," he said.

Kirk Sullivan, state chairman of the Idaho Republican Party, has not responded to the June 2 letter sent in protest of last week's meeting. He was in attendance at the meeting. He could not be reached for comment.

A May 27 letter from GOP legal counsel Jason Risch to Kootenai County committee chair Brad Corkill advises that state party rules supersede state statute.

"In short, pursuant to the Idaho Republican Party rules the Kootenai County Central Committee is not only allowed to organize on May 28, 2008, but is required to hold the meeting on this date due to advance notification that was provided," the letter reads. "For the state, or anyone else, to try and influence the internal organization of the Central Committee would be unconstitutional."


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fun gal wrote on Jun 17, 2008 6:21 PM:

" To Dream on....:You are partially dreaming. Maybe a "day dream". The only thing that is certain right now, is that CORPORATE AMERICA will take either of the two. They already "own" McCain. They might pick Obama to please the masses. BUT...in time they will mold Obama to be their puppet, also. "

Bjorn wrote on Jun 17, 2008 3:27 PM:

" Now wait... it is an honest disagreement to bring up McCain's support for illegal immigration, along with other liberal leanings. "

True Republican wout hidden agenda wrote on Jun 17, 2008 2:12 PM:

" The comments written under "True Republican" is not the same person that writes under this/my name "True Republican w/ out a Hidden Agenda"...Just wanted to make that clear. There seems to be others posting in here that may be trying to start more controversy - more division to further their liberal cause. I believe we need to unite as republicans. If there are further harsh comments I would and will right them off as deceitful democrats trying to divide the GOP. Ignore those idiots for they follow and idiot candidate in the radical "Osama" I mean Obama. "

Dream on... wrote on Jun 17, 2008 1:18 PM:

" McCain will NOT win. Sorry folks, Obama will be in the White House next.

Maybe next time the GOP will pick a better candidate.

Funny that there is not a Republican out there that had him as their first choice. They only support him because he's all that's left. And very Left at that. (For a Republican anyway.) "

Fred Smith wrote on Jun 17, 2008 10:54 AM:

" "we can get back to electing McCain" HA HA HA...good luck with that! "

well wrote on Jun 17, 2008 10:29 AM:

" I'm just glad that we were able to bring these yapping Paul-ite idiots to heal before the election. Now that they're shut up, we can get back to electing McCain. "

wizard wrote on Jun 16, 2008 3:02 PM:

" Bjorn

I agree with you that in person we probably would get on and even down a few beers! We all get carried away when we feel passionately about a cause. I was the same when I was younger and there were those who thought me a "Hot head".So I can emphasize with you.

This month I will have been actively involved at various levels in Politics for 42 years. My interest started when at High School and then then into college.I have served 16 years as an elected city councilman back East.I too had "Run ins" with those I thought too weak or lacking direction, but as you get older you get wiser and think before opening your mouth!!

You need to understand that to be tactile and respectful will carry more weight when you are trying to get over a message.Slagging off the Main Presidential Candidate and State GOP officals won't buy you any favors or change their minds.If you want change then it must be from within and done in a manner that is correct and Democratic.

Like a good wine I mature with each passing day! One day you too will do the same! "

Bjorn wrote on Jun 16, 2008 8:20 AM:

" This is isn't personal, Wizard. I bet if I met you in person, we'd get along great. You are a fellow American, and a neighbor, and that's good enough for me. I'd help you fix your lawnmower anytime.

But we are debating a political issue, and I guess I got carried away. On the other hand, as a supporter of Ron Paul, I do feel insulted and unwelcome in the Republican party. You did use the word lunatic.

As far as judging McAmnesty by his actions-- McCain/Feingold and McCain/Kennedy are actions I had to work against.

In 2012 we can all work for Mark Sanford, Governor of South Carolina as President. RINOS and RONOS alike. "

a REAL republican wrote on Jun 15, 2008 11:22 PM:

" I'll be more than happy to insult the Paulies...what a bunch of maroons...now that we've kicked that pretender out of contention, we can concentrate on a REAL republican candidate, McCain. Thank God we got rid of that loser, Dr Ron.... "

wizard wrote on Jun 15, 2008 2:26 PM:

" Bjorn

Fella do yourself a favor and know when to stop throwing stones when you yourself live in a glass house!!

I don't recall any insults on these post against you personaly or against anyone else who supported Ron Paul.I do recall plenty of personal attacks from those who claim to support the Doctor, as your veiled attack against Sen.John McCain clearly shows in your Post.If you agree with most of the Republican platform why do you continue to snipe on these post???

CEO,wage controls and illegal immigrants amnesty who says I support such actions? You have a vivid imagination Bjorn.Reminds me of the old days of McCartyism,if they don't conform to your ideal they must be commies!!! To quote J E Hoover "Words without actions are the assassins of idealism" Perhaps you should wait and judge Sen.McCain by his actions rather than what he says! Words come cheap Bjorn but actions speak volumes! "

Bjorn wrote on Jun 14, 2008 8:44 PM:

" McAmnesty is not going to win, no matter how red Idaho is. The only question is what are we going to do for four years? Call each other names?

Maybe so, I really want nothing to do with the type of people in the Republican Party who have insulted me for the past year for being a Ron Paul supporter, even though I agree with them on most issues.

As for Obama winning, oh well. At least the Republicans will have their guard up, whereas a McAmnesty win means people like Wizard supporting policies like CEO wage controls and illegal immigrant amnesty because his team won. "

to wizard wrote on Jun 13, 2008 4:28 PM:

" You're right! Now, all those lunatics that supported Paul HAVE to vote for our man McCain. 'Bout time they realized how $crewed up they and their so-called 'candidate' were and came back to the right thinking fold!

McCain in '08 - or else. "

wizard wrote on Jun 13, 2008 1:52 PM:

" If you read Ron Pauls website "Ron Paul2008" his swan song mentions the "two main Parties". Hold on isn't he a Republican for District 14, State of Texas?? Just confirms that he is himself like sadly many of his supporters here in North Idaho are "RION's" by any other name! Strange how they accuse others the same!

Hopefully those who poured scorn and disruption on mainstreme GOP officals will now think how best to secure a Republican in the White House. Make no mistake you won't like what Obama has in store for America's direction.

No doubt there will be those who will protest at Sandpoint GOP state convention.I would urge them to channel their energy to getting the Republican vote out. This will be a test of your metal to see if you can stay the course for the next four years. "

Bjorn wrote on Jun 13, 2008 10:24 AM:

" Vote McCain of Mcain/Kennedy amnesty? Yeah right, "true republican". I'd rather keep my lunch in my stomach. "

Fred Smith wrote on Jun 13, 2008 8:52 AM:

" "Your comments about KCRCC supportin Craig are incorrect".. NO, Sorry you are mistaken. You know, if you people in the KCRCC are so comfortable with lying perhaps you should join the democrats!

Here it is in your chairman's own words: words: "npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15445766" "

What about issues wrote on Jun 12, 2008 3:33 PM:

" Will this forum ever get around to discussing issues?
The need is clear. When "GOP Supporter" implies that Ron Paul supporters are (like) "flaming, liberal Democrats in a displaced polital world," it's obvious he/she is uninformed. If Ron Paul supporters were (like) "flaming, liberal Democrats," they'd feel right at home in the Republican Central Committee. Is this the place to start a civil forum on issues? Does anybody have any ideas on where we could go from here to discuss issues while maintaining a modicum of social courtesy? "

True Republican wrote on Jun 12, 2008 3:23 PM:

" OK, all you idiot Paul-ites...your man just dropped out of the race today since he realized how foolish it made you all look to support him.

Now you have absolutely no choice but to vote for McCain. Get to the polls and vote for John, it's the only option you have. "

GOP supporter wrote on Jun 12, 2008 12:57 PM:

" I was shocked and appalled at the way a few of the new committee members behaved at the meeting.There has never been a time before where the committee members havent all acted with kindness,courtesy and respect for one another .
These few radical, unmannerly and beligerant Ron Paul supporters were completely out of control and one even hit another as she stormed out.They seem like 8th graders that have had no discipline at home when they dont get their way. They seem like flaming, liberal Democrats in a displaced polital world. "

chris wrote on Jun 11, 2008 11:14 PM:

" WOW! This is discusting. A bunch of children name calling.
From the the veiw of a couple by standers at the KCCC meeting on May 28, said that after watching how the old pc and officers treated the new pc's I don't think I want to be part of this organization any more.
Now they read the new pc are being blame for lieing and rudeness and storming out.... WOE wait just a minute, that is right out a lie! The new pc (most) sat wide eyed (as we did) and could not believe what was happening. A few new pc tried to make legitamate points but where told to sit down from some woman up front by the officers. Then later an old pc chew out the new pc for causing causing problems, when infact they were sitting there in shock and disgust. It got so bad that a new pc after trying to make her point several times and was ignore and was treated rudely that she left, not stormed out but left with I give look. AS a bystander I wonder how trueth can prevail in this, I don't know, I'm afraid it's all corrupted way down at county level. woe is is us. "

Good Point wrote on Jun 11, 2008 11:31 AM:

" Hillary would make a good running mate...for John McCain. That is, if Feingold, Kennedy, and Leiberman decline.
Better yet, McCain should be Obama's V.P. Then we could avoid the ruse of an election. "

TO Fred Smith wrote on Jun 11, 2008 11:24 AM:

" Your comments about KCRCC supportin Craig are incorrect. Might want to ask why Craig was NOT at the Lincoln Day dinner this year. OK, I'll tell you, nobody wanted him at their table. You know, with that wide stance and all. "

I believe wrote on Jun 11, 2008 10:20 AM:

" I believe in Ron Paul and global warming.
He should pick Hillary as his VP "

Carroll Quigley wrote on Jun 11, 2008 9:51 AM:

" The nomination of John McCain (or any other centrist,corporatocracy-minded candidate) was predictable, considering what was written by the late Professor Carroll Quigley in his tome, "Tragedy and Hope" in 1966. After studying the "Eastern Establishment" for years, he included this:

"The chief problem ... for a long time has been how to make the two Congressional parties more national and international. The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, ... without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy.
But either party in office becomes in time corrupt, tired, unenterprising, and vigor-less. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party, which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies."

Now, it is generally accepted that The Council On Foreign Relations is the public face of the "Eastern Establishment." Put two and two together. They don't care if McCain wins or if Obama wins. The direction either will take us is the same. That can't be said about Ron Paul, which is why they won't allow him success. "

Keith wrote on Jun 11, 2008 7:11 AM:

" Wizard: Our Second Amendment was placed in the BILL OF RIGHTS to protect "us" from the First being taking away AND from this Federal Government!!! That's why it says "FREE State" not Free Federal Tax slaves..You need to understand that The STATE forms the Republic....Federal laws ONLY apply IF the State has sold out for highway funds..Thats why we have STATE laws...BTW..Go back to you liberal former "Fed owned" State Cali..This is Idaho "

R P wrote on Jun 10, 2008 7:58 PM:

" "Maverick GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul has booked an arena in Minneapolis for a "mini-convention" that could steal some of John McCain's thunder just days before he accepts the Republican nomination." AP

Man I hope Ron Paul makes it on the ballot of all 50 states! Just imagine that old geezer Ron Paul stealing votes from that other geezer John McCain. That would be great! "

Whiner Central wrote on Jun 10, 2008 3:53 PM:

" Now that you Liberterians have a candidate, Bob Barr, go back to your own party and leave the other parties alone. "

Bjorn wrote on Jun 10, 2008 3:40 PM:

" I'm a Ron Paul supporter, and I am not a libertarian. I am a conservative. I subscribe to Pat Buchanan's magazine, the American Conservative, and to the conservative Chronicles magazine, and agree with 99% of what is written there.

I find this "libertarian" name calling a stupid slur, from people who don't know what conservatism really is, beyond what Fox news can tell them in entertaining, easy-to-understand digestible soundbytes. "

Fred Smith wrote on Jun 10, 2008 2:32 PM:

" To True Repub:

"Unite now with the republican's!!!"...

You did not finish the sentence. Unite with the republican's what?...and which rebuplican?

As far as the Gay thing goes, explain the KCRCC's and Corkil's unwavering support for Larry Craig. "

True Republican wout hidden agenda wrote on Jun 10, 2008 1:31 PM:

" Ron Paul cultists/groupies need to stop the loud mouth deceiving. Your lies and deceit regarding that KCRCC meeting is inexcusable. Your insults to good Americans trying to make things better is uncalled for. It is easy to see that you had turned that meeting into what it became and did not look for a fair or just meeting; but a battle to use for publicity. I am not a "Roberts-Rules-Of-Order" expert, but it was clear to see that you had all the opportunities in the world, but chose to make it a circus for your losing cause. No one needed to be an expert to have their voice in an orderly fashion. I just wish most people reading these comments from the "left" CDA Press could see that or would have been there to witness your bad - unruly behavior. If anyone was/is on the fence of going towards your direction (Libertarian - which we all know you and Ron Paul are) I hope they reconsider. Your Ron Paul group is almost as bad as the Demo-liberals and their lie spewing and deception. All youre doing now is bringing our great nation down.

All conservatives must unite or Obama will destroy this country. What do you think our great nation will become after 4 years of Obama? I urge you to not take that chance... Unite now with the republican's!!!

p.s. the comment below regarding Sen. McCain's views on Right-To-Life & Gay Marriage? Look at your (Libertarian) platform. I encourage everyone to view the Libertarian webpage. See there disturbing views regarding Right-To-Life & Gay Marriage. "

XGOP wrote on Jun 10, 2008 10:26 AM:

" Let's resurrect Teddy Roosevelt's 'Bull Moose Party'. "

wizard wrote on Jun 10, 2008 10:03 AM:

" To Mike

The Constitution was written some 232 years past.It was devised to provide liberty for free speech,freedom of religion and in those days the right to bear arms.Which is open to interpretation these days.

Today you Paulies have kidnapped the constitution as though you are the sole keepers of the true Republic. Anyone who dares to oppose you are dismissed as traitors or Rino's if Republicans or lefty Liberals if your a Democrat and out to destroy the fabric of American society.Sadly you and a handful of others actually believe this nonsence.Your brand of Red neck "neo-Conservatism" is an anathem to a vast number of Americans.

When I read forum comments from "Paul Republicans" telling people to write Ron Paul's name on the ballot in November or saying the the GOP are just "Gestapo" it is very clear to any reasonable minded person that Paulies are a collection of misfits and cannot be taken seriously with the voters. Mike, you're backing a all time loser with Ron Paul wake up! "

mike wrote on Jun 9, 2008 9:16 PM:

" wizard wrote on Jun 7, 2008 9:13 AM:
"You're a pair of bad losers fellas and full of silly failed idealogy."

Just so you know, I don't think our Constitution was silly and I don't think it failed. The Constituion worked well for over 200 years, so what part of it do you think failed? "

mike wrote on Jun 9, 2008 8:59 PM:

" "A May 27 letter from GOP legal counsel Jason Risch to Kootenai County committee chair Brad Corkill advises that state party rules supersede state statute."

Does this mean the GOP is claiming that there club rules override state law? Are you kidding me? The GOP deserves to be trounced by libs, dems, greens, EVERYONE. "

well wrote on Jun 9, 2008 5:15 AM:

" The current GOP reminds me of the way Kim Jung Il runs North Korea. The entire party is set up to benefit the way the old, old guard, and t'hell with anyone else. Anyone not selling their soul to the old way of thinking is instantly labeled a "RINO" and slurred. When anyone points out that the emperor is naked (McClellan being the latest) he is immediately slurred as a mentally defective, disgruntled traitor - although prior to pointing out the problem, he's a true patriot and Bush's BFF.

Whatever good points the GOP may have had back in '94 have been totally overshadowed by the cronyism and personal ambitions of the current crop of goons at the top of the party. It's time for a purge and the easiest way to accomplish that is to vote for anyone other than the current party-approved slate of candidates. This will, of course, assure that they won't win which might cause some short term pain as the Democrats take a turn at running the show. However, the long term benefits are great. If the current center-leaning Dems do well, that's good for the country. If they fail, it will set the stage for a new crop of conservatives to take over from the current bumblers the GOP supports, resulting in a long term gain to the country. Frankly, voting out the Rep's now is a win-win for the country.

The USA can tolerate both conservatives and liberals, the country flourishing in both cases - anyone with an ounce of intellectual honesty can see this (people did well under both Reagan and Clinton). What the country cannot tolerate are losers at the top. Whether they are Bush or Carter, they need to be culled for the greater good. "

To wizzzard wrote on Jun 8, 2008 8:09 PM:

" or is it Lizard?
You're concocting you alchemy with confusion and hocus pocus. The Republican party was infiltrated years ago with:
"Gay marriage supporters,Abortionist,Communist and the most amusing Concentration camp enthusiast" types, by your own volition.The "yes men" are the brain washed robots who don't understand the Constitution or the platform of the Republican Party.
Cruise through Kootenai County or anywhere in Idaho and count the Ron Paul signs...a lot more than 14.
Wake up to reality! "

Yep thanks to the GOP Obama will win wrote on Jun 8, 2008 8:01 PM:

" What's more to say? The GOP has sunk their ship by trying to keep the party afloat instead of the country.

Now, just like Perot, you'll blame us for your pandering and brown nosing politics.

ha "

Bjorn wrote on Jun 8, 2008 3:35 PM:

" I wonder if we could just swing a deal somehow... give us X amount of national delegates, and we'll vote for Sali. If not, then we'll stay home.

I don't know if the legality of that has yet been tested in the courts, just an idle idea. "

to wizard wrote on Jun 8, 2008 5:20 AM:

" Hope you guys do well in November without us 'upset paulies'... "

wizard wrote on Jun 8, 2008 1:32 AM:

" Oh dear what a lot of upset Paulies! So they couldn't get their own way calling yet another meeting.Tough luck boys and girls.

There must be a dozen or so post below mine with the exception of maybe one or two all from irate Paulies.They messed up at the meeting,they acted like militants,they have no respect for for others opinions and no understanding of protocol.

They attack Sen.McCain and in doing so the millions of people who voted for him not to mention those former GOP presidental candidates who have since pulled out the race and endorsed Sen.McCain.The venum from these people is loud and clear and in my book have no place in the Republican Party.You Paulies lack integrity,loyalty and discipline.

Clearly they have been in touch with each other and decided to swamp the CdA press forum with messages making claims that the KCRCC is made up of Yes men and women,RINO's,Gay marriage supporters,Abortionist,Communist and the most amusing Concentration camp enthusiast. What a pathetic bunch of individuals.All you seek is pubilicity whatever it takes.Your rantings and fanaticalism is clear to any fair minded person. "

RepubnotLiberal wrote on Jun 7, 2008 8:18 PM:

" Since when is a man...
who was requested by state Republicans to run for office,
has been a Republican for OVER 20 YEARS,
WON 10 Straight Congressional Terms as a Republican,
Had Butch Otter's support and praise while a Congressman,
Is 100% Pro-life,
NEVER VOTED TO RAISE TAXES...considered a RINO?

Get your facts straight. Stop thinking with emotion and start using your God given brain.

McCain supports abortion. (Check out youtube McCain VS McCain)
McCain supports same sex unions. (same video)

Who's the real RINO? Those who support McCain or those who support Paul? "

Interesting wrote on Jun 7, 2008 8:12 PM:

" I've never watched a party eat its young like the GOP is currently doing...makes me wonder if they'll even exist in a few years? "

Joe Liberty wrote on Jun 7, 2008 7:03 PM:

" No wonder people who identify themselves as Republican is shrinking. If you are not for the status quo, you are not welcome in the GOP.

I will be voting Libertarian every chance I get from now on. Good bye GOP. "

Bjorn wrote on Jun 7, 2008 6:22 PM:

" You must be trying to mislead people, "fossil seeker".

RP's last pres run was in 1988. Since then he has been a loyal republican with traditional Senator Borah type values. "

fossil seeker wrote on Jun 7, 2008 5:17 PM:

" Dr. Ron Paul ran as a Libertarian in his last presidential run. So, is he a RINO or just a recent Republican convert? Being a Dr. he must have concluded that only a Republican, not a Libertarian can get elected. Now there's one smart Dr. "

Bjorn wrote on Jun 7, 2008 5:02 PM:

" If party rules supercede State law, then why does the State pay for the election of precinct committeemen on a primary ballot?? "

I have questions... wrote on Jun 7, 2008 4:12 PM:

" And answers...

Isn't the party already divided between conservatives that believe in the Republican Party platform and the RINO's?

Yes, so don't blame them, they just got here.

The article says they don't even have enough for a quorum, how are they going to take over with a minority?

The real conservatives will hopefully see the light and join them.

Jorgenson wants them to bring their enthusiasm to the party that it desperately needs, does he know where the enthusiasm comes from?

I comes from the fact that there is finally a candidate that is worthy of their vote. As a 10 term Congressman, Dr. Paul has proven by his voting record that he is a man of principle and integrity.

One question I do have that I'd like answered...

When Obama wins because McCain is unelectable based on his own merit, will the Ron Paul supporters be blamed?? "

To Fossil seeker wrote on Jun 7, 2008 1:02 PM:

" I've voted Republican consistently since first voting for Richard Nixon. I can no longer stand by and allow fascists take over this country.

Better yet; why don't you join the Communist Party? It may be a good fit for you. Give it a try.

You should read the will of the people in these comments. They far outnumber you elitists. It's not the idol worship of Ron Paul. He is the ONLY candidate voting Constitutionally! But what a trivial issue that is, right? "

fossil seeker wrote on Jun 7, 2008 12:20 PM:

" It's all about "REVOLUTION" and the idol worship of Dr. Ron Paul.

If you hate the conduct of the local Republican Party, you don't have to stay!

The Libertarian Party might just be a good fit for you folks.

Give it a try. "

An observer wrote on Jun 7, 2008 11:07 AM:

" FIRSTLY,RE-READ 'SOVIET STYLE VOTING'S" COMMENTS.
And to those make believe Republicans on the Central Committee, the voice of the people, and the true Republicans are speaking out and outnumber you phonies.
I've yet to see a yard sign in support of the Manchurian McCaintidate.I see numerous Ron Paul signs ALL OVER the place. WE WANT OUR CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT BACK. You continue to give us traitor after traitor to vote for, and are too stupid or unwilling to perceive the evil, which puts you in the same catagory.
Vincent Bugliosi wrote a book "The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Muder". He can't get any air time because media fears this Gestapo regime , the Central Committee blindly supports.And on it goes.That would mean current regime supporters are aiding and abetting. Truth doesn't matter. I urge everyone to write in Ron Paul's name on the ballot in November.
"When the government fears the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny.-Thomas Jefferson "

tIgo wrote on Jun 7, 2008 11:04 AM:

" I am new to all this myself and know just how difficult it is to get one's head around, to see where the logic lies. I am working very hard to see it.

How does it feel to have those more knowlegeable than you take unfair advantage of your ignorance of how the Republican Party 's system works? "

tIgo wrote on Jun 7, 2008 10:56 AM:

" So, "WAS THERE," Newbies [RP people] who don't yet understand the complexities of Robert's Rules of Order should be penalized for their lack of understanding of how the process works?

That preselected list of delegates shouldn't even have been prepared is my point. It was a poorly veiled attempt to have the delegate selection come out the way the executive committee of KCRCC wanted it to, and to take unfair advantage of the Newbies to the complicated process who didn't yet understand how it works, thus denying them their voice.

These Newbies DO understand when republican principles are being trampled whether they understand and know how to use Robert's Rules or not.

I am new to all this myself and know how difficult it is to get one's head around, to see where the logic lies. "

tIgo wrote on Jun 7, 2008 10:48 AM:

" So, "WAS THERE," Newbies [RP people] who don't yet understand the complexities of Robert's Rules of Order should be penalized for their lack of understanding of how the process works?

That preselected list of delegates shouldn't even have been prepared is my point. It was a poorly veiled attempt to have the delegate selection come out the way the executive committee of KCRCC wanted it to, and to take unfair advantage of the Newbies to the complicated process who didn't yet understand how it works, thus denying them their voice.

These Newbies DO understand when republican principles are being trampled whether they understand and know how to use Robert's Rules or not. "

Bill Crippen wrote on Jun 7, 2008 10:46 AM:

" All the central committee had to do was have the meeting on the eighth, ninth, or tenth day following the primary which would have been in accord with BOTH party AND state code and to have opened the floor for nominations. The nominess would have been listed and each committeman could have voted for 23 delegates.

I would be willing to bet that the same 23 delegates would have been elected to the state convention...but it would have been done properly and with respect. "

T. Igo wrote on Jun 7, 2008 10:26 AM:

" What a Kootenai County RCC SLANT this reporter has!!! What a SPIN!!!!!

Prepared delegate slates are improper, not called for. The Precinct Committeemen in attendance at the re-organizational meeting are to choose those delegates to the state convention. It's not up to the outgoing [perhaps] executive committee of the county central committee to choose delegates, it's for the body of the whole precinct committeemen meeting together to do. What sort of representative [republican] self-governance is the Kootenai County RCC practicing? Not any with which I'm familiar!

Gees, have our schools failed us in teaching our governmental principles!!! "

Jorgenson For Real wrote on Jun 7, 2008 10:05 AM:

" "To compare the Republican Party to the communist form is not realistic.

What else could we possibly call it?

Tony, with first hand knowledge of Soviet voting, recalls his parents words of wisdom and caution of communism. That is exactly what happened at the KCRCC meeting on May 28. It also happened in 2000.

For years and years, the American people have only had one choice on the ballot, Evil. Now we may have had the choice of the 'lesser of two evils' but evil either way.

When this campaign began 6 months ago, we had some viable candidates, however, the Republican Party did away with the selection process and before the states could all weigh in, McCain, last in the polls just months prior, is selected by those in control.

That is communism style government, that's exactly what we have. Please don't get angry at those of us who would like fair and open nominations.


"I think it's a mischaracterization and an insult to the American way."

So do I. However, the American way and the American government are at this point total opposites.

We have been insulted, robbed, lied to, etc....

Communism/Soviet style voting is alive and well in America, but don't blame those who have sounded the alarm. "

To was there wrote on Jun 7, 2008 9:47 AM:

" The 'old guard' didn't even know Robert's Rules of Order. He and his coup had a secret agenda based on fear propagated from their own party to deny the voters of Kootenai County representation.

I understand there's a video on the 'storming' member as they left the room. To me it looks like a peaceful exit from a very contentious meeting. One your 'old guard' could not, because of his lack of the rules, contain.

Get your facts strait. I was there too. With all the guests that were brought in, the newly appointed Sergeant at Arms, and officials, why didn't you also bring in recording devices so the voting public could see for themselves what really happened?

Annie, get your guns. Because the 'old guards', Corkil, Bush, McCain and the likes have sold your freedom to the big corporations. "

The Party is Over wrote on Jun 7, 2008 9:25 AM:

" In 2000 the Republican candidate for the 2008 presidential election was chosen. Not by the party, not not even by the voters, but by Bush, Cheney, the Neo-con's in Washington and the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations).

Too bad you loyal Republican supporters were too busy handing out flyers and throwing fund raisers in support of our present tyrant that you missed the sell out.

Shame on you.

We have elected officials in our community who will lie and schmooze us all in the name of the Republican Party. Ex. Rocky Watson, the sheriff, reports in the Press in early May that "Black Water" (the 'Gestapo' arm of our federal government, may be coming to peaceful North Idaho. Dang it Rocky, they've been here for five, 5, years, under the name 'The Back UP'.

Yep, the party is over, but don't blame the Ron Paul supporters, they haven't lied to you. Nor has their candidate. "

wizard wrote on Jun 7, 2008 9:13 AM:

" "McCain is a bush Pilot" & "soviet style voting"

You're a pair of bad losers fellas and full of silly failed idealogy. Grow up and get over it.Your hero is just going through the motions to give Obama an extra boost come November."Cower in our homes", "concentration camps" do you have any idea how stupid you sound to regular CdA press forum readers?

And you have the cheek to call yourself "Republicans" give me a break.Turn back the clock to the good ole days with Richard tricky Nixon!!!!! "

Repulicans Dont Support their own Platform wrote on Jun 7, 2008 9:06 AM:

" KCRCC is filled with many fearful and finger pointing faces.
Afraid of newcomers coming in and shaking them up, dividing the party, on possibly running a coup on 'their' club.

Some of these members even have gone so far as to accuse fellow PC's of not being Republican, because they didn't man the booth at the fair, walk the parade with the party, or set up tables at a function. Wow, I didn't know that to be a Republican you had to do so much work. I thought being a Republican had to do with your core values and beliefs in small government, fiscal responsibility, the Constitution of the United States that protects our liberty, NOT handing out flyers and setting up chairs.

No wonder the party is afraid, they've been side winked. They have forgotten, or ignored the very platform they claim to support.

McCain is angry. Is it because in 2000 he sold out to Bush's ideals? Is he afraid? Does he owe a debt to the neo-con's that he can only repay with our freedoms, that he himself fought so diligently for during the last 'policing action'? We will probably never know. But we do know he is a 'plant' for the CFR and will sell us out just as quickly as Bush, Cheney, Clinton, and Carter have.

All the squawking about supporting the party is BS. The party should support FREEDOM. If the 'true' republicans would have followed their own platform, we could have a candidate that we could trust and support. Now all we have left is fear. Fear that McCain can't beat Obama.

It's your own dang fault! "

was there wrote on Jun 7, 2008 9:04 AM:

" Soviet, the "slate that was ramrodded down the throats of the KCRCC", to quote you, is lie and you know it. Why do you try to decieve the readers on this issue? The fact is that if any of your newly elected PCMs had made the proper motions at the reorganizational meeting, the results could have been much different and perhaps more to your liking.

For the record, a motion was made to adopt the slate. Kale, I believe, made a substitute motion to allow additional nominatons from the floor. Several of your new RP supporters were in fact then nominated. Then some of your group got really belligerent and tried to bully the chairman with nasty accusations, one of whom after being so disruptive, stormed out the room. So this was the highly charged atmosphere present for continued debate on the substitute motion. It finally passed and your nominees were added to the list. By a show of hands the original slate was adopted, one at a time, and then the required 23 delegates were chosen.

Yes, your nominees were on the tail end of the list and missed out. So whose fault was that?

1. If you don't like a chairman's ruling, the motion should be to appeal the decision of the chair, not scream at him and insult him. The motion to appeal is debated and the assembly is asked if they want to sustain the decision and a vote is taken.

2. The substitute motion should not have been to open the floor for additional nominations. You got what you asked for but it didn't get you where you wanted to go. Instead the substitute motion should have been to set aside the slate and open the floor for all nominations. When it came time to vote a secret ballot should have been requested.

You should have come prepared to make proper motions. It is not the job of the chairman to instruct the members on how to make motions. He rules on what is before the body.

Quite frankly, you did it to yourselves and looked quite childish in the process. The "old guard" was very patient with all of your rantings but protected your rights as a minority faction and the will of the majority prevailed. "

WOWZER wrote on Jun 7, 2008 8:50 AM:

" I wasn't aware that you could stil hear the black helicopters when you were wearing your tin foil hat. "

McCain is a Bush Pilot wrote on Jun 7, 2008 8:36 AM:

" All this anger over the Revolution supporters brings to mind the 2000 primary's. McCain, still respectable then, cowered to the Bush Machine even when he had won the majority support. Remember?

I don't know why he sold out, was he threatened, or did the Neo-Con's of DC promise him the highest office in the county if he would forsake his integrity and back Bush. Tough question that no one seems to ask.

I believe McCain is a Bush pilot, no offense Alaskans. Just a few months ago, McCain said he would get our troops home and cut government intrusion, now he states that we'll never pull out of this war we can NEVER win.

You can't fight an idea (terrorism is an idea) with weapons and bombs. Even if we could, at what cost, $28,000 a second?

Once again, the American people have been lied to, terrorized, and threated by the very same people who have taken an oath to up hold our Constitution and protect our liberties. McCain, if he wins, will continue on the flight plan that has been provided for him.

Haven't we had enough pawns in politics? I'm tired of all 'Fear Propaganda' that comes down from Washington every day. We used to be the worlds only 'Super Power', now we cower in our homes because of our own government.

PLEASEEEEEE!!!! "

Soviet Style Voting wrote on Jun 7, 2008 8:12 AM:

" It seems the only question that is asked of any Ron Paul supporter is "Who are you going to vote for in November?"

Now, I find that quite perplexing due to the fact that last fall, John Mc Cain was the LEAST favorite candidate for President. Most republicans admit he was NOT their first choice.

No one really knows how he became the favorite so quickly.

Eight years ago, McCain, after winning the primarys, dropped out of the race. If he has the integrity he claims, why did he 'sell out' to Bush?

This year, we had several good candidates at the beginning, Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, Ron Paul, Fred Thompson. Any one of these men could have beat Barack Obama, yet once again we the people of the United States were given a Soviet Style ballot, so to speak with only McCain's name on it.

From January to the convention in September is the discussion and debating process to find the most qualified candidate for president. Yet, as republicans that choice has been decided and the choice is a man that does NOT have the best chance to win.

Hence, the republican party is angry at the Ron Paul supporters because they won't forfeit their voice for a third rate nominee.

You've made your choice GOP. If you would have allowed the democratic process to weed out McCain, which wouldn't have taken very long given his 'quitting' track record, you would have had a candidate that truly had a chance to win.

Please stop blaming Ron Paul for all your inside problems. Remember, you put Bush in office, twice. Now we are in a war we can't win, nor afford. Over 70% of Americans and 70% of Iraqis want us out of their country.
Bush has signed away more of our rights than any other candidate in recent history, increased the national debt to beyond comprehension, slaughtered our economy, and on and on.

Dr. Ron Paul, a US veteran, has NEVER voted against the Republican Platform; he is for small government, against this illegal war, against the frightening 'Patriot Act' that most, including McCain, approved. The list goes on and on.

Instead of being angry for people getting involved in the political process, take a good look at the choices that were made for you. Ask yourselves a few questions:
1. "How did McCain, being last in the polls, become the nominee?"
2. "How are we going to afford this illegal war for another 20 years?"
3. "Why is McCain, Obama, Bush, Cheney and Clinton all members of the CFR, Council on Foreign Relations?"
4. "How will we ever recover from our present state?"

Tough questions to be sure, yet the republican party eliminated the good candidates, (yes, I was a McCain supporter 8 years ago, till he turned tail and QUIT) and left us with only a predetermined slate. Much like the slate that was 'ramrodded' down the throats of the KCRCC.

Yes, all you GOPers should be afraid. Not because we aren't true republicans, but because once again only the vote counters count, not the voters.

Check out the new 'Concentration camps' your next president, a member of the CFR, has in store for you. "

factfinder wrote on Jun 7, 2008 8:11 AM:

" Quote:- "In short, pursuant to the Idaho Republican Party rules the Kootenai County Central Committee is not only allowed to organize on May 28, 2008, but is required to hold the meeting on this date due to advance notification that was provided," the letter reads. "For the state, or anyone else, to try and influence the internal organization of the Central Committee would be unconstitutional."

As others have said on this forum CASE closed!! Ron's rabble are out of order.Now the question is will Crippen,Rimble and co now confirm publicaly how they intend to vote in November's General Election. Obama or McCain? Not likely eh! Ron's name will be on the ballot.Ron's mob have over 20,000 followers and they intend to take over the GOP in several State precinct's. Loyal Republicans beware! "

Proud American wrote on Jun 7, 2008 7:02 AM:

" Ron Paul supporters should take note they will catch many more flies with honey than they will with vinegar.

Work with those in the party. They need you. Talk to them about our traditional republican principles. Nothing fires up people more than when they realize the true meaning of being a patriot in our Constitutional Republic. "

Sheila wrote on Jun 7, 2008 6:51 AM:

" When a section of your own party is locked out, trashed, and ingored, when your party supports Rudy who received less than 1% of the party support as a media spokesperson, and when the counting of votes is so corruptly tabulated, you bet your process is Soviet Style. We are in America, and every time McCain speaks, Ron Paul Republicans remember what you did to us. So if the GOP really wanted to fight for America, they would reconsider their corrupt process and let the truth rise to the top. The truth always has a way of coming out. The GOP Ticket should be Ron Paul and James Comey, former deputy attorney general "

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