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Foreclosures, short sales — are they a better buy?

Posted: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 10:00:01 am PDT
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By LINDA BALL
Special sections editor 

KOOTENAI COUNTY — There have been 138 notices of trustees sales since April 14.

That statistic comes from Anne Anderson, one of the owners of Lakeshore Realty and the Coeur d’Alene 2007 Realtor of the Year. Anderson and her staff have been tracking them, although she said many may never get to the market as foreclosed properties because some will be resolved before then. Those that are not resolved will be on the market in June, July or August.

Anderson said there was only one HUD foreclosure in 2007 and only one so far this year, primarily because most of the loans that were made during the 2005 peak were not government insured loans.

Gabriel Hern, branch manager of Golf Savings Bank, said the foreclosed properties are all across the board.

“Countrywide’s a big one, Bank of America, Fannie Mae — there’s a lot of them in Coeur d’Alene,” Hern said.

Another trend is the short sale, where the original mortgage holder doesn’t get a full return on the investment. Katie Marcus, a loan officer with Mountain West Bank, said they’re doing more new loans on properties involved in short sales than foreclosed properties.

“We don’t know for sure (how many foreclosures there have been) — in the paper we see them file the foreclosure notices, but it takes 90 to 120 days before they become available,” Marcus said.

She said short sales are tougher because the investors can’t determine where the bottom is, so sometimes they wait too long to accept an offer and lose the buyer. Or, many of the investors were involved in an 80/20 loan where the holder of the 20 percent second mortgage has a hand out, too.

Jaydee Miller, an escrow officer with Kootenai Title Company, has closed several short sale transactions. She said in the case of a first and second mortgage with the same lender they may negotiate each, but if it’s two different lenders, sometimes the first loan will be paid, but the second mortgage may take a negotiated payoff.

Miller said it’s better for the lender to negotiate a short sale rather than have the property go into foreclosure, because there are additional costs associated with foreclosure. She said some lenders look at the seller’s financial situation before agreeing to a short sale, because they need to understand why they should accept one.

“There is not a concrete formula,” Miller said.

Hern said typically when the seller realizes they’re going into foreclosure, they put the home on the market and the mortgage holder may take a short sale. But he agreed, they take a long time to process. Miller said some take up to 45 days to negotiate the sale.

“The departments that handle the short sales are understaffed,” Hern said. “It could take a month or two longer to have them sign off on the short sale. Sometimes they (new buyer) get great deals, sometimes not.”

It all gets down to whether or not the lending institution is willing to take the loss and write it off, Hern said. He added that there are often multiple offers on short sales in which case the lender can pick and choose or negotiate as they see fit.

Marcus said several of her loan originators at Mountain West have transactions in process that involve short sales. New buyers are either getting conventional financing or government loans such as FHA, VA or USDA, which are rural loans good in Rathdrum, Post Falls, Athol, Spirit Lake and other outlying areas. Many are combining these loans with Idaho Housing to get an interest rate of 5.39 percent.

“You no longer have to be a first-time home buyer in Kootenai County to get IHFA,” Marcus said.

Hern said many of the home buyers who bought at the top using an adjustable rate mortgage just can’t hold on when the rate adjusts, increasing the monthly payment. They also may owe more than the house is worth, so they just walk away.


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to Observer wrote on Jul 11, 2008 7:38 PM:

" You are SO right! I wish Bush could stay in office for another year and drive the housing prices and economy even lower - imagine the foreclosure bargains then!

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Observer wrote on Jul 11, 2008 11:26 AM:

" To; From Postfalls

Continue to rent and build capital. This thing is sinking fast now, prices are going to go lower-much lower. Like the drug store commercial says, "Why pay more?" Fanny and Freddie are on life support and second and third tier lenders still holding depreciating mortgage paper are beginning to panic. Acting now in haste could turn the home of your "dreams" into a house of financial horrors. "

a from postfalls wrote on Jul 11, 2008 9:55 AM:

" ok well let me start by saying we are in the middle of buying our first home and it is the home of our dreams it fits my family perfect has enough room for all of us and for us to be confratable until our 4 kids graduate and move out the sad thing is is that we put our bid on the house and the home owners excepted it it is a short sale so they had to get the ok from there bank well that was the 17 of may and here we are today stil not in our house and they still want to push it out for another 30 to 90 days i dont have the time i need to be out of here (renting) by the 31st cause the bank came back to us on monday saying that we would be closing in 15 days so we have packed everything up then come to find out the title company says they cant close for 30-90 days out tell me what am i supposed to do? go put all my things in storage and live in a hotel tell they tell us we can move in? my heart is broken and i am so fustrated we have started searching for another house but there is nothin out there that we can get for our price and the size that we need.and the stupid thing is to is the house that we are trying to get is going into foreclosure on the 4th of aug dont you think the bank would want to sell befor then? "

cool wrote on Jun 29, 2008 5:14 AM:

" I love foreclosures! They allow me to buy for cheap what the dummies paid a premium for - bring 'em on! "

chopchop wrote on Jun 28, 2008 9:22 AM:

" Foreclosures are on the rise...sadly, it is happening in every price range. Lay offs, low sales, and the general economic forcasts are killing any "life" there is in any business.
Believe me, just like in the Great Depression, those with money will get richer buying up all the properties that have prices that are a good value!
There are BIG MONEY people here looking for the best deals. I mean MILLLIONS of Dollars to spend! People here need to do the same thing. Join forces with friends, if you have to, then buy up those bargains.
"Buy when the market is down, sell when it's up". It's a cycle that happens, historically every 7-10 years...jump in and make money. There are bargains available in every catagory. Call an experienced real estate person who has seen these markets before. They will know how to help you make some $$$. "

mike g. wrote on Jun 13, 2008 9:52 AM:

" your article doesn't say much for anne anderson. she must not be able to count. there have really been 225 in the last four weeks not including rescheduled sales! recession prof? yeah right...lol! "

eh.. wrote on Jun 3, 2008 12:48 PM:

" We have been in the market for the past 6 months, (fisrt time buyers) and steer'd clear of those. We had a time line to get out of our rental, and it was too much of a close call, we also looked at some forclosure's, but we didnt want to take a chance on paying for an appraiser, finding out the house isnt worth the risk or price, then having the bank turn around and tell us they wont lend. Too much hassle for us. "

Daryl Gankema wrote on Jun 3, 2008 5:38 AM:

" I am a Realtor and started in 1993.

I have had two short sales in the past two months and it went something like this.
My client's made an offer "Purchase Aggrement" to the selling agent, who in turn would present the aggrement to the lender holding the mortage, who in turn would if accepted send a counter offer back asking for the Real-Estate agents to take a lessor fee for the transaction than originaly stated, " usually 1 percent less.The lender also would demand more time than the buyer ask for to get the deal closed, and I believe this was to see if they the lender could get a better offer. And in some cases the lender would also have to get signatures from the investor's that purchased that loan and many other loans as package deals. I believe all the investors had to have their signatures on the acceptance before the deal could or would close.
If we were the buyers Rep only , we were not to make any contact with the loan company or the people handeling the deal, only the listing agent was able to do this.
To close this in a nut shell, if the buyer was lucky and not asked for more money the deal would close, but not in a very timeley manner.
This is how it went for myself and my clients, and may be different for others, but this was how it went with my two short sales.
I am not saying it was good or bad, as it did get the transaction done, with happy people all around. "

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