HANNITY: Pumping out pure hatred

Posted: Sunday, Oct 19, 2008 - 07:01:41 pm PDT

Will the hate machinery never end? When has over-righteous, over-conservative, over-ranting Hannity ever been one iota fair or balanced? He is so over the top in his hate mongering -- he is the scary one!

Should we all be judged on every single person we ever worked with or knew -- going back to our 30s? Did you ask or care if they were gay, beat their dog, cheated on taxes? Maybe they didn't live their life according to your ideal or by the 10 Commandments every minute of every day, or had other personal failings (like most of us). Should you and me be so vilified that we are held up to ridicule and given death threats because we knew those kinds of people? "Judge Not, Lest you be Judged."

I know people beside me, even in my own extended family and friends, who grew up in one religion (not for just a couple of childhood years) and then later changed to another religion. Are me/they to be condemned too? "Those without sin, shall cast the first stone."

Please listen to both sides of the Presidential agendas and use the fact checking sites on the Web before re-mailing any undocumented so-called facts about a candidate. There are several sites to choose from and they separate the outright lies and mis-statements -- of both sides. www.factcheck.org -- I dare all of you to check it out -- unless you have already been so indoctrinated and brainwashed you no longer believe there are two sides to every discussion.

Either man would make a good President and try to do the right thing for America and for all the American people. It should only come down to which of their policies you believe is best for the country -- jobs, economy, health care, immigration, war, etc. -- and not which candidate can out-vilify the other.

LYNN MARLEY

Hayden

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pumping it wrote on May 2, 2009 10:02 AM:

" Oh, he's pumpin' it alright, why else would he be going through so much hand lotion and kleenex... "

change what change wrote on May 2, 2009 9:34 AM:

" change you can't afford?
change to get your own way?
freedom from loose change and personal wealth?
change that demands no reason?
generational change to the bottom of the world economic ladder?
change that you can believe in and bow down to?
short-changed by an illegal? "

Hannitys real followers wrote on Apr 28, 2009 3:55 PM:

" h ttp://w ww.newsweek.c om/id/195085/page/1 "

to Big Fan wrote on Apr 28, 2009 11:57 AM:

" " I bow to Hannity!"

-- Well, that is certainly easier than thinking for yourself; I'll give you that. "

Big Fan wrote on Apr 28, 2009 11:51 AM:

" I bow to Hannity! Hail Hannity! You Rule! "

To Big Fan wrote on Apr 28, 2009 11:34 AM:

" Of course you would, you have nothing better to contribute to society except give Hannity your lack of knowledge or education attention span by worshipping him. "

Big Fan wrote on Apr 28, 2009 11:17 AM:

" I love Hannity!. Go Sean!

Sen. Specter has switched to the Democrat Party before, sounds to me like he has an identity crisis, I hope he finmds himself soon, he's not getting any younger. "

HAHA wrote on Apr 28, 2009 11:14 AM:

" Republicans should remember the old saying from after WWII:
It's gonna be hard to keep Johnny on the farm once he's seen Paris.
Three out of four Americans have stopped voting Republican, and you're not ever getting them back.Hannity is going to have a heartattack from the news that Sen. Specter has switched to the Democrat Party. Die Fox News! "

Simply Speaking wrote on Apr 28, 2009 9:54 AM:

" "Richard Nixon Oliver North Clarence Thomas Cheney Tom DeLay George W. Bush Sarah Palin."....

A true rogues gallery. One President involved in a cover-up of criminal activity, another along with his Vice President possibly soon to be indicted for war crimes, a convicted felon whose conviction was vacated with help from the ACLU also a regular on Fox Noise, an embattled governor of a frozen wasteland who has personal and ethics problems of her own, add in an indicted Texas Congressman and former roach killer and what more needs to be said? "

PBS- Better Time Spent wrote on Apr 28, 2009 9:29 AM:

" Only the Looney Tunes would tune into Fox News anyway. If Ralph Murdock could make a bigger buck, Fox News and its anchors would change the format to more of the liberal side of broadcasting. Look, there is a small niche of people out there that love this crap$, and Ralph knows it. Kind of like Rush's Ditto Head following, one in the same. "

Change to believe in wrote on Apr 28, 2009 9:14 AM:

" But times have changed and so have strategies. Saul Alinsky, radical of the 60s, author of Rules for Radicals who was all about taking power, suggested that you target your opposition, make it personal and destroy him. Recent decades have seen this play out in the demonization and ruination of a host of people. They werent killed, but they were in essence destroyed so that no one in the mainstream culture would ever again listen to or heed their advice. Richard Nixon Oliver North Clarence Thomas Cheney Tom DeLay George W. Bush Sarah Palin. Have Americans stopped to think that these destroyed people are all on the political right? Have they noticed that Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy and Barney Frank still walk among us, exercising influence, with whatever reputations they have in tact? Sandy Rios "

tidbit to js wrote on Apr 28, 2009 7:10 AM:

" Anderson is not married and has never been married. The posters claiming he's married are either confused or just blatantly making up porkies. Anderson lives with his male parter (the man thanked in the dedication of his book) and is out to everyone except the press, and that is only because he doesn't feel the need to share his love life with the press. But it is very out even to people who know him only casually. There is no way to 'prove' that of course, because people will believe whatever they want to believe (not that being gay is something bad that needs to be proven) but there are zillions of people in NY who know him as a happily (almost) out gay man. "

local res wrote on Apr 27, 2009 7:14 PM:

" Speech that doesn't agree with mine must be hate speech! Now I am offended. Where is a judge, to compensate me for my pain and suffering? "

Yes we can wrote on Apr 27, 2009 3:25 PM:

" Under Socialism, you would not be allowed to be poor. You would be forcibly fed, clothed, lodged, taught and employed whether you like it or not. If it were discovered that you had not the charactor or industry enough to be worth all this trouble, you might possibly be executed in a kindly manner; but whilst you were permitted to live, you would have to live well.

George Bernard Shaw "

to js wrote on Apr 27, 2009 3:13 PM:

" I can't wait for A. Cooper to be outed. They would never fire such an anchor who brings such glee into your livingroom. "

To to fun gal wrote on Apr 27, 2009 2:06 PM:

" to fun gal wrote on Apr 27, 2009 1:47 PM:

" He *is* pathetically obvious, isn't he? ;-)

The way you talk about this "rls" guy you would think you thought he had special powers over you and was god like. "

to fun gal wrote on Apr 27, 2009 1:47 PM:

" He *is* pathetically obvious, isn't he? ;-) "

fun gal wrote on Apr 27, 2009 1:26 PM:

" rls, can you be SPECIFIC of which democrats are calling for Obama's impeachment? Give us some names. "

To Simply Speaking wrote on Apr 27, 2009 12:56 PM:

" Evidently you haven't heard.
The democrats are calling for Obama's impeachment since he is making such bad choices and destroying the demoracts chances to be re-elected for a second term. "

Simply Speaking wrote on Apr 27, 2009 12:23 PM:

" Republicans--unfit to lead.

First it was Sarah "I can see Russia from my front door" Paloon, then out stepped the little green man from Louisiana who mocked volcano funding in the stimulus bill until Mt. Redoubt in Alaska erupted and temporarily closed the Anchorage airport diverting northern air traffic for days. Now pay attention to this quote about pandemic funding from Susan Collins(R) Maine, fuming about the pandemic funding: "Does it belong in this bill? Should we have $870 million in this bill No, we should not." "

I hear that wrote on Apr 27, 2009 11:26 AM:

" Hannity is very close to coming out of the closet. True? "

Lenore wrote on Apr 26, 2009 11:15 AM:

" Excuse me. America believes in education: the average professor earns more money in a year than a professional athlete earns in a whole week.
I am from San and bad know English, give true I wrote the following sentence: "In this day and age, people take a lot of medications."

With respect :), Lenore. "

Lazarus Long wrote on Apr 23, 2009 11:48 AM:

" A fake fortuneteller can be tolerated. But an authentic soothsayer should be shot on sight. Cassandra did not get half the kicking around she deserved. "

js wrote on Apr 23, 2009 11:39 AM:

" If the end timers out there think the end is near, why are you not celebrating? It would seem to me that after waiting a couple of thousand years for the end and with the prospect of the tribulation right around the corner then we should all be celebrating. Instead, all we seem to get from the end timers is doom and gloom fear mongering. Give me a break. I used to go to church 3 times a week but it was this kind if hypocrisy that chased me away. "

2012 wrote on Apr 23, 2009 9:30 AM:

" Why worry about the Anti-Christ?, havent you heard about 2012?, google it. When I get too much doom and gloom, I just watch the CNN channel and get a good laugh watching their reporters jump all over the common folk and totally embarrass the network.... its a hoot. "

Hey wrote on Apr 23, 2009 6:11 AM:

" Don't even go there cause he (she) will not listen. We've all tried it before and idaho native is lost from the human race. "

To Idaho Native wrote on Apr 23, 2009 6:09 AM:

" Why not become more civil? You are obviously full of hate, an why? Are you not an American? Do you not communicate daily with those you do not know their political feelings. If you hate Republicans so much, then you must hate at least 50% of those you come into contact each day. You must be a very hard person to feel as you do. Lighten up, there is more to life than spending your time spewing hate. "

idaho native wrote on Apr 22, 2009 8:27 PM:

" lynn, the hate machinery is what keeps satans' "R" party in POWER.

dooms-day prophets have predicted the "END OF TIMES" by the coming of the "ANTI-CHRIST" "person".

THE ANTI-CHRIST IS NOT A "PERSON"; it's a political PARTY!

IT'S THE "PARTY OF GLOOM & DOOM"!

(insert dumb or drum roll here):

the anti-christ is:

THE REPUBICANT PARTY OF: NO! "

OYea wrote on Apr 22, 2009 7:57 PM:

" Obama pumps out nonsense! "

to mr truth wrote on Apr 22, 2009 4:43 PM:

" AMEN AND WELL SAID BROTHER !!! "

Mr Truth wrote on Apr 22, 2009 10:44 AM:

" Well of course Hannity is all of those things, he's part of the "we want the country to fail" crowd. Otherwise known as the sore losers group. "

Josh wrote on Apr 22, 2009 10:23 AM:

" Badly need your help. Time is that quality of nature which keeps events from happening all at once. Lately it doesn't seem to be working.
I am from Kazakhstan and also am speaking English, tell me right I wrote the following sentence: "We lived on a corner in a typical oc tract neighborhood."

Best regards :), Josh. "

ok wrote on Feb 17, 2009 11:34 AM:

" Maybe Hannity's smarter than I thought, if he's claiming he's not a Republican. Only true idiots are Republican. "

An empty well wrote on Feb 17, 2009 11:26 AM:

" Hannity oftern says he's NOT a republican. Ooops! There goes 'well's credibility. Just like all the other liberal commutards, talking thru his levis without any substantive facts or reasoning.

I'm with 'f the taxpayer'. Time for a revolution. "

well wrote on Feb 17, 2009 11:04 AM:

" It wouldn't be so bad if Hannity actually had the intelligence of, say, a clam. But he's a Republican, so we already know that's not the case (I wonder if he can see Russia from his house?).

That's the worst thing about these clods, the dumber they are, the louder they yell. No wonder the majority of people in this country no longer listen to them. "

F the taxpayer wrote on Feb 16, 2009 9:47 PM:

" The people who make the system work GIVE the corrupt government a FREE loan (withholding tax) and then the corrupt government reneges on its promise to give PART OF IT BACK.

h ttp://w ww.kansas.c om/735/story/701750.html

Well, the taxpayers who stupidly gave the corrupt government their hard earned money DESERVE the hosing they're getting. REAL citizens are gearing up for REVOLUTION. "

X wrote on Feb 16, 2009 5:08 PM:

" To - "No you re in UNreality" Sooooo........what? "

No you re in UNreality wrote on Feb 16, 2009 5:04 PM:

" Obviously the mentaliberal midget doesn't actually listen to Limbaugh or Hannity otherwise he'd know that they treat liberals with respect and are courteous while they complete destroy the libs' lame attempts to rationalize socialism.
Also, if you did listen, you'd hear Rush and Sean laugh and joke a LOT, something the flying monkeys Randi Rhodes and Al "supposedly a funnyman" Franken never did. I tried to listen to Air America but the lack of humor and non-stop anti-Bush non-factual rants made it impossible to listen to. And, apparently, it was too much for liberals, too, as they turned it off in droves.
Liberal/socialist talk radio just can't maintain a listener base because their message and delivery is flawed. They've tried it numerous times but they have failed miserably every time.
Now, they want to CENSOR their competition with the Censor(fairness) Doctrine requiring 'equal' time for 'fairness.'
Liberal fascists are such sore losers. "

to X wrote on Feb 16, 2009 4:57 PM:

" Actually, I think Truth has starred in any number of LOGO productions. He certainly seems conversant in the genre, anyhow. "

X wrote on Feb 16, 2009 4:34 PM:

" Truth, You watch LOGO? Enough said "

Reality wrote on Feb 16, 2009 4:20 PM:

" The reality is that neither Hannity, Limbaugh or any of the others actually believe in what they're saying, it's all just a way to boost ratings and increase their salary. After all, no one will tune in every day to someone actually reasoning out issues and problems in a calm, measured manner. No, yelling and reactionary rants sell WAY better.

And the sad part of it all, is that a majority of their audience doesn't realize it, which is why I have so little respect for their intellect. "

Kels wrote on Feb 15, 2009 12:25 PM:

" UMMM Mahuin, looks like it is not quite over yet!!

2 State Legislators Support New Obama Birth Certificate Lawsuit
by Last Reporter on February 15, 2009

Tennessee The controversy over President Barack Obamas birth certificate simply wont go away.

Two Knox County legislators have joined House Republican Caucus Chairman Glen Casada in signing up as supporters of a lawsuit trying to force President Barack Obama to turn over a copy of his birth certificate, according to knoxnews.

State Reps. Stacey Campfield of Knoxville and Frank Niceley of Strawberry Plains say they agreed to be listed as plaintiffs in hopes of resolving contentions that Obama may actually have been born outside of the United States, which would mean he cannot serve as president under a provision of the U.S. Constitution.

Casada and Rep. Eric Swafford, R-Pikeville, also acknowledged that they will back the Defend Our Freedoms Foundation in the lawsuit, one of several expected to be filed. The U.S. Supreme Court already has refused to hear one such lawsuit, and Democratic legislators suggest the whole thing is an unfounded conspiracy theory. "

Truth wrote on Feb 15, 2009 10:34 AM:

" Hannity is a counter balance to the subtle but liberal bias coming out of NBC, CBS, and ABC. He is also a counter balance to liberal loons like Amy Goodman (Democracy Now),and anything coming out of Bill Moyer's piehole on PBS OR NPR. If you want even more liberal propoganda then saddle up, mount up and giddy up to the lipstick lesbian Rachel Maddow on MSNBC. Also lets not forget about the drivel coming out of the Bisexual, Gay, Lesbian, Transgender LOGO television network. That whole network belongs on the Comedy Channel! There are plenty more where these came from! "

to CC wrote on Feb 15, 2009 10:16 AM:

" Thanks for the list of Obamalies. I've sent them out on my e-mail list (over 200).
B.Hussein is such an Obimbo. He is only outdone by Joey the liar Plugsbiden. "

Just lovedembonesmokers wrote on Feb 14, 2009 10:43 PM:

" Golly, gee, willikers! Those dadburned oystersnuffin' lesboians and stiffysmokin' gayboys surely do have a problem with free speech. How's that heterophobe 'air amerika" doing? Or, how is lberal child mol*ster berie ward working out for you hate-sewing marxists? "

Peter wrote on Feb 14, 2009 8:53 PM:

" We should really go back to having to log-in on this thread. Too many of the same posters under different monikers and you are already getting people posting under other peoples name. Just saying press... "

who else is pumping wrote on Feb 14, 2009 8:46 PM:

" Bill Maher never spews out hate that isn't first mixed liberally with concentrated koolaid. "

Carrie wrote on Oct 28, 2008 12:00 PM:

" to: I just HATE that CC. Wen I'm dee prez, You are a typical North Idaho Uneducated Racist P.I.G. Do you work for the CDA Press? "

uh niles wrote on Oct 28, 2008 9:13 AM:

" too late bud, most people have already voted...your opinion is meaningless "

Niles wrote on Oct 28, 2008 9:09 AM:

" Obama said it. He wants wealth redistribution in America. His tax cut plan is not really a tax 'cut' per se for about 45 million people. Those people don't pay any taxes at all so their taxes won't be 'cut'. But Obama still wants them to get tax money so he plans to send them the tax money we pay to run the gov't. Will they spend our tax money bettering themselves or will it go for video games? Who knows? Obama doesn't know and he does not plan to find out. He just wants to take lots of our hard earned money and give to people who did not earn it. Good ole comrade Obama. "

Chimpy BigEars wrote on Oct 27, 2008 10:19 PM:

" I just HATE that CC. Wen I'm dee prez, I'ma gonna redistribute hiz wealf. Yaz, ya knows what I means. "

Carrie wrote on Oct 27, 2008 10:14 PM:

" Respectfully, I say we should know the candidates backgrounds. If Obama has anything to hide it will come out anyway and if not he can put us undecided ones at ease. Personally I'm not so impressed with either candidate but once they're in office I believe we stand behind our president. United we stand devided we fall.

Thank you "

to cranky gal wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:08 PM:

" The local Republicans run 'em off. "

cranky gal wrote on Oct 27, 2008 8:48 PM:

" Where did the intelligent people go??? "

well wrote on Oct 27, 2008 7:54 PM:

" You should see what Larry Craig's "pumping" these days... "

Obamas BUDDY wrote on Oct 27, 2008 7:23 PM:

" America is still the No. 1 killer in the world.
Jeremiah Wright

In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01. White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just 'disappeared' as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.
Jeremiah Wright

The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.
Jeremiah Wright

We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost.
Jeremiah Wright

We started the AIDS virus. We are only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third World people live in grinding poverty.
Jeremiah Wright

We started the AIDS virus. We are only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third World people live in grinding poverty. "

CC stands for... wrote on Oct 27, 2008 7:06 PM:

" I think CC stands for "Copy and Control" - This is a change we don't need! "

HHEELLPP wrote on Oct 27, 2008 6:42 PM:

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fun gal wrote on Oct 27, 2008 6:37 PM:

" CC is a bore "

CC wrote on Oct 27, 2008 6:35 PM:

" 21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - NOT EXACTLY, it took just 14 days from start to finish.

22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - NOT EXACTLY, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

23.) I Have Released My State Records - NOT EXACTLY, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - NOT EXACTLY, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens . You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.

25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - NOT EXACTLY, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.

26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - NOT EXACTLY, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - NOT EXACTLY, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

28.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA - NOT EXACTLY, the Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - NOT EXACTLY, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction off Israel

30.) I Want All Votes To Count - NOT EXACTLY, you said let the delegates decide.

31.) I Want Americans To Decide - NOT EXACTLY, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.

32.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - NOT EXACTLY, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.

33.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - NOT EXACTLY, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

34.) I Don't Take PAC Money - NOT EXACTLY, you take loads of it.

35.) I don't Have Lobbyists - NOT EXACTLY, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.

36.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - NOT EXACTLY, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

37.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - NOT EXACTLY, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time.

38.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - NOT EXACTLY, your plan leaves us all to pay for the 15,000,000 who don't have to buy it.

39.) My uncle liberated Auschwitz concentration camp - NOT EXACTLY, your mother had no brothers and the Russian army did the liberating. So, who EXACTLY is this Obama guy and what is he trying to sell us?

Please get to work now...not enough of your loved ones and friends know about this fraud. "

ccs been busy wrote on Oct 27, 2008 11:28 AM:

" I think he's got another name: The Spammenator! "

CC wrote on Oct 27, 2008 11:26 AM:

" His Father Was A Goat Herder ??

TERRY ANDERSON, BLACK LOS ANGELES TALK RADIO HOST, WENT DOWN A LIST OF THINGS SENATOR OBAMA HAS SAID THAT ARE NOT EXACTLY CORRECT.

1.) Selma March Got Me Born - NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.

2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - NOT EXACTLY, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - NOT EXACTLY, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.

4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - NOT EXACTLY, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya . It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Oba ma, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out the following link for verification of that....and for more.

Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to get Sharia muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took shelter.. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know the truth.

5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - NOT EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

6.) My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.

Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya , his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro).

7.) I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.

4-3-08 Article 'Obama was 'quite religious in Islam'' ht tp://w ww . wnd . com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559

8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - NOT EXACTLY, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).

February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as 'one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.' This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says 'Obama's narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts.'

9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - NOT EXACTLY, not one teacher says you could ever speak the language.

10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia , I Have More Foreign Experience - NOT EXACTLY, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn except how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.

11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - NOT EXACTLY, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.

12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - NOT EXACTLY, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine

13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - NOT EXACTLY, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - NOT EXACTLY, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - NOT EXACTLY, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.

16.) Voting 'Present' is Common In Illinois Senate - NOT EXACTLY, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 PRESENT or NO VOTES.

17.) Oops, I Mis-voted - NOT EXACTLY, only when caught by church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your mis-vote.

18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - NOT EXACTLY, you didn't write it, introduce it, change it or create it. "

If wrote on Oct 25, 2008 9:04 PM:

" McCain isn't like Bush or whatever, then why are Bush's politcal advisors being sent to advise and handle Palin? It appears she is upset with them now. What does Bush have to do with this McCain deal if McCain keeps dening Bush? "

Peter wrote on Oct 25, 2008 8:46 PM:

" "liberals think pink is 2 die for", aka "Amazing", aka "Spudman",

Then call them. "

liberals think pink is 2 die for wrote on Oct 25, 2008 8:23 PM:

" By the way Mahiun if anyone calls for a MODERATOR it will be me if you don't quite insulting people with your under handed and dispicable way of insulting people." But malboy's cuts are sooo wicked! Why, they're positively...gay!!! "

Funny GOP wrote on Oct 25, 2008 7:42 PM:

" Politico's Ben Smith reports on the internal tensions that are roiling the McCain campaign, with many Palin allies voicing their unhappiness at how the campaign has been run. According to Smith, there are now "stirrings of a Palin insurgency." Some of the highlights:

Four Republicans close to Palin said she has decided increasingly to disregard the advice of the former Bush aides tasked to handle her, creating occasionally tense situations as she travels the country with them. Those Palin supporters, inside the campaign and out, said Palin blames her handlers for a botched rollout and a tarnished public image -- even as others in McCain's camp blame the pick of the relatively inexperienced Alaska governor, and her public performance, for McCain's decline.

"She's lost confidence in most of the people on the plane," said a senior Republican who speaks to Palin, referring to her campaign jet. He said Palin had begun to "go rogue" in some of her public pronouncements and decisions.[...]

Anger among Republicans who see Palin as a star and as a potential future leader has boiled over because, they say, they see other senior McCain aides preparing to blame her in the event he is defeated.

"These people are going to try and shred her after the campaign to divert blame from themselves," said a McCain insider, referring to McCain's chief strategist, Steve Schmidt, and to Nicolle Wallace, a former Bush aide who has taken a lead role in Palin's campaign.
[...]

"A number of Governor Palin's staff have not had her best interests at heart and they have not had the campaign's best interests at heart," fumed the McCain insider, noting that Wallace left an executive job at CBS to join the campaign." "

Jimmy Carter wrote on Oct 25, 2008 7:42 PM:

" Why is it I had the only democratic majority and yet all of congress hated me and I ended up being the worst president in history when it came to just being an idiot.
I tried so hard and yet the population of the USA has destroyed me by saying I was incapable of doing my job.

I sure feel sorry for Osama Obama since he is just like me only darker. "

To funny gop wrote on Oct 25, 2008 7:35 PM:

" I notice how you like to post huge posts so the truths get buried...
That's an old Mahiun trick, The facts come out so you have to bury them with deciet.

ht tp://hillbuzz.wordpress.c om/2008/10/11/the-question-of-the-birth-certificate/ "

Funny GOP wrote on Oct 25, 2008 7:17 PM:

" UK Telegraph

Headline:

"Republican fears of historic Obama landslide unleash civil war for the future of the party
Senior Republicans believe that John McCain is doomed to a landslide defeat which will hand Barack Obama more political power than any president in a generation."

Aides to George W.Bush, former Reagan White House staff and friends of John McCain have all told The Sunday Telegraph that they not only expect to lose on November 4, but also believe that Mr Obama is poised to win a crushing mandate.

They believe he will be powerful enough to remake the American political landscape with even more ease than Ronald Reagan did in 1980.

The prospect of an electoral rout has unleashed a bitter bout of recriminations both within the McCain campaign and the wider conservative movement, over who is to blame and what should be done to salvage the party's future.

Their fear is that Democrat candidates riding on Mr Obama's popularity may win the nine extra seats they need in the Senate to give them unfettered power in Congress.

If the Democrat majority in the Senate is big enough - at least 60 seats to 40 - the Republicans will be unable to block legislation by use of a traditional filibuster - talking until legislation runs out of time. No president has had the support of such a majority since Jimmy Carter won the 1976 election. President Reagan achieved his political transformation partly through the power of his personality.

David Frum, a former Bush speechwriter, told The Sunday Telegraph that Republicans should now concentrate all their fire on "the need for balanced government".

"It's hard to see a turnaround in the White House race," he said. "This could look like an ideological as well as a party victory if we're not careful. It could be 1980 in reverse.

"With this huge new role for federal government in the economy, the possibility for mischief making is very, very great. One man should not have a monopoly of political and financial power. That's very dangerous."

In North Carolina, where Senator Elizabeth Dole seems set to loose, Republicans are running adverts that appear to take an Obama victory for granted, warning that the Democrat will have a "blank cheque" if her rival Kay Hagen wins. "These liberals want complete control of government in a time of crisis," the narrator says. "All branches of Government. No checks and balances."

Democrats lead in eight of the 12 competitive Senate races and need just nine gains to reach their target of 60. Even Mitch McConnell, the leader of Senate Republicans, is at risk in Kentucky, normally a rock solid red state.

A private memo on the likely result of the congressional elections, leaked to Politico, has the Republicans losing 37 seats.

Ed Rollins, who masterminded Ronald Reagan's second victory in 1984, said the election is already over and predicted: "This is going to turn into a landslide."

A former White House official who still advises President Bush told The Sunday Telegraph: "McCain hasn't won independents, nor has he inspired the base. It's the worst of all worlds. He is dragging everyone else down with him. He needs to deploy people and money to salvage what we can in Congress."

The prospect of defeat has unleashed what insiders describe as an "every man for himself" culture within the McCain campaign, with aides in a "circular firing squad" as blame is assigned.

More profoundly, it sparked the first salvoes in a Republican civil war with echoes of Tory infighting during their years in the political wilderness.

One wing believes the party has to emulate David Cameron, by adapting the issues to fight on and the positions they hold, while the other believes that a back to basics approach will reconnect with heartland voters and ensure success. Modernisers fear that would leave Republicans marginalised, like the Tories were during the Iain Duncan Smith years, condemning them to opposition for a decade.

Mr Frum argues that just as America is changing, so the Republican Party must adapt its economic message and find more to say about healthcare and the environment if it is to survive.

He said: "I don't know that there's a lot of realism in the Republican Party. We have an economic message that is largely irrelevant to most people.

"Cutting personal tax rates is not the answer to everything. The Bush years were largely prosperous but while national income was up the numbers for most individuals were not. Republicans find that a hard fact to process."

Jim Nuzzo, a White House aide to the first President Bush, dismissed Mrs Palin's critics as "cocktail party conservatives" who "give aid and comfort to the enemy".

He told The Sunday Telegraph: "There's going to be a bloodbath. A lot of people are going to be excommunicated. David Brooks and David Frum and Peggy Noonan are dead people in the Republican Party. The litmus test will be: where did you stand on Palin?"

Mr Frum thinks that Mrs Palin's brand of cultural conservatism appeals only to a dwindling number of voters.

He said: "She emerges from this election as the probable frontrunner for the 2012 nomination. Her supporters vastly outnumber her critics. But it will be extremely difficult for her to win the presidency."

Mr Nuzzo, who believes this election is not a re-run of the 1980 Reagan revolution but of 1976, when an ageing Gerald Ford lost a close contest and then ceded the leadership of the Republican Party to Mr Reagan.

He said: "Win or lose, there is a ready made conservative candidate waiting in the wings. Sarah Palin is not the new Iain Duncan Smith, she is the new Ronald Reagan." On the accuracy of that judgment, perhaps, rests the future of the Republican Party. "

AMAZING wrote on Oct 25, 2008 4:58 PM:

" Watch this first and there is more to come.

ht tp://hillbuzz.wordpress.c om/2008/10/11/the-question-of-the-birth-certificate/

By the way Mahiun if anyone calls for a MODERATOR it will be me if you don't quite insulting people with your under handed and dispicable way of insulting people. "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 25, 2008 4:16 PM:

" Anita, one cannot "win" a case that has been dismissed. There is no longer a case to win. There is no more ruling for this judge to give. Obama has no more obligation in this case, whatsoever. The case is over, done, kaput, gone, finito, disappeared, non-existent, vanished, undone, nullified. I don't know how to make it any more clear than that. How can either Obama or Berg "win" a non-existent case?! At this level (the Federal Court), there simply is no more case to win, on either side. And "letting Obama off the hook" is exactly what it does, because there is no case; there are no charges to defend against.

Now, it's true that someone else besides Philip Berg could take up the cause and file another suit in Federal court. But that would be truly foolhardy, since there has already been a judgment at this level, which would predispose any other Federal court to dismiss a new case out of hand. So I guess in that sense, Obama is technically not "off the hook" --- somebody, somewhere could file another such case in Federal court, although it would be a record-setting stupid thing to do.

Or, Philip Berg could make good on his threat/promise to appeal to the 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals, and on to the Supreme Court. But, with any case --- not just this one --- the odds of actually having the case heard get dramatically less with each level you go up in the court system. The statistical odds of having this heard by the 3rd Circuit are very very small, and the odds of the Supreme Court agreeing to take the case are almost nil.

But you're right: I am getting almost as obsessed with this as you have become, because it is frustrating the &*($%^#@ out of me that I can't seem to find a way to explain to you that this case is over. But I will quote you, to those who have a problem with my own posts: 'If you don't like what I write, don't read it. Simple as that.'

After all that, I think I need a beer --- or maybe a margarita. "

Anita wrote on Oct 25, 2008 3:58 PM:

" Mahiun wrote:
" There ARE NO charges! The case was dismissed!

Anita, please just let this one go. Please. It is eating at you, it appears to be turning into a downright dangerous obsession. "

Careful, Mahiun, you're becoming shrill and desperate sounding. Here, let me explain this to you in different terms and maybe you'll understand it better. The judge did not rule for Obama. He said that ordinary citizens cannot sue to ensure a Presidential candidate actually meets constitutional requirements. He's not saying it lets Obama off the hook. Where in that does it say Obama wins? The Constitution requires that any candidate running for President must meet certain requirements. By refusing to produce legitimate documents, Obama has not fulfilled those requirements. Now, maybe you're willing to live in the Obama glow and overlook the facts, but there are Americans out here who refuse to be denied our constitutional rights. And don't tell me to let it go. If you don't like what I write, don't read it. Simple as that. "

To Fun Gal wrote on Oct 25, 2008 3:41 PM:

" Hey State Line Show girls are hireing since you seem to need a job! Oh yea that's right you do that for free at the post falls rest stop! Woops that's Mahiun!! "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 25, 2008 3:40 PM:

" Okay, I'll bite: which "court documents" are these, that "prove it"? Are you referring to the request-for-judgment documents that Berg filed? Those are standard documents that are prepared for the judge to sign if s/he agrees with you; that's it. Notice they were never signed or dated?

And can we please stick to the topic, and avoid the name-calling? I'd rather not have to bring in the moderator... "

To Mahiun wrote on Oct 25, 2008 3:35 PM:

" Looks like to me it is you that is obsessed with trying to be decietful as usual...
Anita is 100% correct....AND the court documents prove it..!!!!!
You can read your homo paper "Boston Globe" and look for boyfriends all you want but you will not find the court documents there...Nice try though. "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 25, 2008 3:26 PM:

" There ARE NO charges! The case was dismissed!

Anita, please just let this one go. Please. It is eating at you, it appears to be turning into a downright dangerous obsession. "

To fun gal wrote on Oct 25, 2008 3:25 PM:

" If you and Mahiun would have been keeping up on the court documents you would have known that a month ago.

This is getting funnier by the minute and both fun gal and Mahiun are digging themselves a hole so deep they will never get out of it........

WAY WAY WAY TO FUNNY to watch you two libs crash. "

Anita wrote on Oct 25, 2008 3:21 PM:

" Sorry, Mahiun, if what I said is way over your head. Keep trying, you'll get it eventually. "

Anita wrote on Oct 25, 2008 3:16 PM:

" Fun Gal wrote:
" Just read Berg's press release. Why is he taking this to the Supreme court??

Because people who don't like Obama will never believe anything but Obamas guilty. Even if it takes the nest 30 yrs. MOVEON "

If the judge ruled, as some have said, that the judge threw it out because citizens can't sue a candidate for not producing proper documents to run for office, then the issue is still unresolved. This ruling, if authentic, still would not rule that Obama is innocent of the charges because he still has not produced the documents in question. "

Conservatives listen up wrote on Oct 25, 2008 3:14 PM:

" I have learned that it is utterly futile to attempt debate with liberals. Not because liberals could possibly win a rational debate, but because liberals embrace non-linear thinking, they choose emotions over clear reason.

To point out to liberals that Obama will destroy America has no effect on liberals it is what they want. To demonstrate that B.O.s schemes will relegate America to third world status that it is what they want. To show how we will all (except for the oboma elite) become serfs in a socialist hell will have no bearing on their choice, because it is what they want.

We are simply wasting our precious time and resources on those who embrace the obama nightmare.

My advice seek out those who are unsure, who have indicated they wont vote. Show why they must condemn the obscenity known as obama. Dont waste any more time on the obamunists. "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 25, 2008 3:13 PM:

" My bad, Anita. There was no deliberate attempt to mislead, although I should have provided the full link to the Boston Globe story, to wit:

w w w dot boston dot com / news / nation / articles / 2008 / 10 / 25 / judge_tosses_lawsuit_challenging_obama_citizenship/

And here's an example from the AP:
hosted dot ap dot org/dynamic/stories/O/OBAMA_CITIZENSHIP?SITE=WNYC&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
(Note the byline and the copyright on the story.)

And lest anybody accuse me of favouring "liberal" media (although nobody ever seems to be able to tell me exactly what that means...):
wnd dot com / index dot php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79086

No, Obama has not "been found innocent of these charges". That's because there are no longer any charges to be found innocent of. The case was dismissed.

Berg is, of course, free to try to appeal the case to the 3rd Circuit of Appeals and all the way to the Supreme Court, if he chooses. However, with each level, it becomes more and more statistically unlikely that the court will agree to hear the case. (That's not my opinion of the case, or any judgment on its merits --- it's just simple statistics.)

Anita, this one is over. Let it go. "

Yikes wrote on Oct 25, 2008 3:10 PM:

" Senility and ignorance. So this is how it ends for the Republican house that Reagan built on the solid conservative foundations laid by Barry Goldwater in 1964? Bush's unholy alliances with religious fanatics, free market profiteers, Zionist and Israel-firsters(redundant) and the perpetually stupid, have now coalesced into an angry, vocal minority, soon to be marginalized by the American people.

Palin allies report rising campaign tension(yahoo news)
....."The emergence of a Palin faction comes as Republicans gird for a battle over the future of their party: Some see her as a charismatic, hawkish conservative leader with the potential, still unrealized, to cross over to attract moderate voters. Anger among Republicans who see Palin as a star and as a potential future leader has boiled over because, they say, they see other senior McCain aides preparing to blame her in the event he is defeated." "

fun gal wrote on Oct 25, 2008 3:10 PM:

" Just read Berg's press release. Why is he taking this to the Supreme court??

Because people who don't like Obama will never believe anything but Obamas guilty. Even if it takes the nest 30 yrs. MOVEON "

To Anita wrote on Oct 25, 2008 2:54 PM:

" Is this getting hilarious or what with these Osama Obama brainwashed sheep trying every lie, decietful tactic they can think of to post so other people than might read the truth don't get to see it.

This is so funny I and just cracking up,,,,AND you are right it isn't working for anyone that hasn't been brainwashed the the ALMIGHTY ONE "OSAMA OBAMA" yet.

You can just about see the look of confusion in there eyes going how can this be, You are using your brain,,,It's almost like watching a space movie it is so funny. "

Anita wrote on Oct 25, 2008 2:50 PM:

" Peter, why don't you just ask me yourself? No, I will not vote for Obama under any circumstances, and I won't vote for McCain, either. Democrats and Republicans are feathers of the same bird, although I must say at least McCain is an open book, even with all his faults. Obama is just plain hiding something. "

Anita wrote on Oct 25, 2008 2:45 PM:

" Once again, Mahiun tries to mislead people. I found nothing in the Boston Globe or the Associated press. The article in the World Net Daily site says the judge ruled that ordinary citizens could not sue to ensure a Presidential candidate actually meets Constitutional requirements to run for office, that it would have to be taken up in Congress. Even if this ruling is legitimate, it doesn't let Obama off the hook. He hasn't been found innocent of these charges yet. "

AMAZING wrote on Oct 25, 2008 2:44 PM:

" To "WOW" I thought I would fall out of my chair laughing at this one.

Mahiun used the Boston Globe as a reference and you call it conservative when it is the most homosexually pro active news paper in the USA conservative.
We do all understand why he is so up on that paper however.

And that would be what I meant by liberals and their deceit. "

Peter aka WOW wrote on Oct 25, 2008 2:40 PM:

" Is it a fair assumption to say that Anita wouldn't vote for Obama anyways even if the case was dropped or never came about? I'm guessing that you will not vote for Obama either way. After the case is settles the issue once and for all you will more than likely still believe that he is a Muslim and have some sort of bent against the US. Kind of like that old lady that McCain silenced in Minnesota when she told him "Obama is an Arab". "

To Mahiun wrote on Oct 25, 2008 2:34 PM:

" The judge has tried to dismiss it a half a dozen times and it keeeps coming back because he can't legaly dismiss what is in the charges.

Please go and find the offical court documents and you will see how many times the judge has tied to dismiss it.

Then post them for us so you understand the truth and so you can no longer belittle people in your under handed way of doing it. "

WOW wrote on Oct 25, 2008 2:27 PM:

" What is really amazing about Amazing is that he is doing the very same thing that he is whining that the "left" is doing. Only he does not realize that...Amazing!

"If you look for court documents with your ruling, I hate to tell you this, but you won't find it. There are a lot of bogus reports out there right now" says Anita. But, what is "Amazing" is the the sources Mahiun sites are right wing sources. I don't think no amount of sources/evidence will ever convince people in Anita's state of mind that Obama is a legit candidate. It is a grudge that she will hold if Obama gets elected all the way through his term. That is (if) Obama gets elected. You saw it with the wingnuts who hated..er disliked Bill Clinton and equally the left with W. "

To to amazing wrote on Oct 25, 2008 2:25 PM:

" Again you are wrong, We are just sick of the liberal lies and trying to destroy the consitution all the time and expecting hand outs and wealth redistrabution all the time.

THAT WOULD BE YOU. "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 25, 2008 2:23 PM:

" Maybe so, Anita, but the story is coming in from more and more sources, and they all tell the same story, with the same time stamp, and the same details. It has even been picked up by World Net Daily, and literally within the past 2 minutes I see that it's been picked up by the Boston Globe, the AP, the Lexington Herald-Leader, WCPO in Cincinnati.... That's an awful lot of journalistic firepower to run with a story that hasn't happened yet. And the clincher? Berg himself has issued a press release saying that he is "totally disappointed" in the decision.

In contrast, I can find no sources to refute the story or demonstrate that this ruling has not yet taken place. Do you have URLs for some of these sites that you say are claiming the ruling went the other way? "

to amazing wrote on Oct 25, 2008 2:18 PM:

" Another constant characteristic of the right is endless well of self-pity about how they're always getting picked on by those mean ol' lefties. Sounds like the right's turned kinda pansy-ish, ya ask me... "

Anita wrote on Oct 25, 2008 2:14 PM:

" Mahiun,

I can come up with an equal amount of sites and articles that say the judge ruled the other way and has ordered Obama to suspend his campaign until he produces the documents. However, I prefer to go by the one credible legal source I have who has been watching the court house very closely, and states that the ruling has NOT come down yet, and is not expected to until the beginning of next week. If you look for court documents with your ruling, I hate to tell you this, but you won't find it. There are a lot of bogus reports out there right now. "

wrote on Oct 25, 2008 2:09 PM:

" ""Um, hatred is not necessarily bad. YOU gotta admit, 99% of the left HATES the right with every fiber of their being.""

Actually, the "left" doesn't spend much time thinking about the "right", unless they are trying to take their constitutional rights away....don't care much what they think, or how they live their lives.

So...where'd you get that percentage? Just made it up, right? "

AMAZING wrote on Oct 25, 2008 2:09 PM:

" To "Jay Johnson" be careful or you will join the ranks of the rest of us conservatives that get belittled, lied to, lied about by these deceitful liberals that are always calling for tolerance, So long as you agree with them and there kind of tolerance that is.
You need to be of color, a socialist at the least, preferably a communist and willing to vote for OSAMA OBAMA without questioning him or his credentials.

Are you willing to conform and be controlled b y the almighty OSAMA OBAMA..?

If the answer is NO then welcome to the comment section it means you have a brain and you use it... "

hey Jay wrote on Oct 25, 2008 1:55 PM:

" Just remember, after the 4th, it's President Elect Obama.

Get used to it, he's got an 8-year stretch coming up. You'll end up on his side, too, which is the cool part. "

Jay Johnson wrote on Oct 25, 2008 1:49 PM:

" Um, hatred is not necessarily bad. YOU gotta admit, 99% of the left HATES the right with every fiber of their being. That's why an idiot like B Hussein Abomination can sway so many idiots with his sleazy snake lies and cowardice. He "grew up" with druggies, radical left anarchist marxist professors, thieves, and psycho freaks, like his pastor, his terrorist buddy, his investor, his who knows who, that Farrakhan type guy that got him into Harvard, etc. He's never done a single thing other than make speeches and get a bunck of idiots to believe in him. He's the end of America if he gets elected.

Democrats are esentially vultures for hire that the stupid depraved people hire to steal from productive people for them, so that life is fair. "

To Mahiun wrote on Oct 25, 2008 1:46 PM:

" Again you have your facts WRONG and trying to belittle Anita.
The court documents are on the internet for all to see and your fact check has been proven to be in bed with OSAMA OBAMA with incorrect information being distributed on OSAMA OBAMA'S behalf. "

To Again not a candidate wrote on Oct 25, 2008 1:40 PM:

" Well which name should we use since Osama Obama went by Berry and now he goes by Barack after becoming a muslim proir to going to his rasist church here in the USA.

You tell me what name you want me to call him and I will call him what ever you want it to be today including a lying SOB with something to hide if you want. "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 25, 2008 1:39 PM:

" Anita, here's the latest I was able to find on the whole "birth certificate" flap. For space considerations, it's not practical to quote the entire article, but it's available from the Philadelphia Daily News, Snopes, Newsmax, and several others.

Bottom line: Judge R. Barclay Surrick has dismissed the lawsuit brought by Philip Berg.

Additional highlights:
* Surrick characterized Berg's claims of harm as "too vague and too attenuated to confer standing on himself or any other voter.

* Surrick ruled that Berg's attempts to use certain laws to gain standing to pursue his claim that Obama was not a natural-born citizen were "frivolous and not worthy of discussion."

* Surrick also remarked that the harm Berg alleged did "not constitute an injury in fact" and Berg's arguments to the contrary "ventured into the unreasonable."

Taken together with the vetting by Snopes, PolitiFact, and FactCheck, of the actual physical document produced by the State of Hawai'i, this one appears to have been finally put to bed.

Now can we PLEASE move on to something more substantive? "

CC wrote on Oct 25, 2008 1:18 PM:

" Log Cabin Club enjoys reaching across the aisle to Barney Frank. "

Peter wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:37 PM:

" "Gay-Bangers"?? Must be from the Log Cabin side of the GOP. Whatever floats your boat man. It is a free country. "

CC wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:29 PM:

" the Left is throwing its Peter-Principled Gay-Blade hysterics at voters again.

A one page medical release? The office visit application alone is several pages long. Since OHB is over 40, a random physical will include blood work (2 pages), doctor's assessment, xray results, etc. One page doesn't cut it.

As for the last 4 to 8 years, Obama is partly to blame. Factor in the Dot . com bubble burst and 9-11. Nothing like attributing all the chaos and failures to one administration. Colon Powell is a factor as well and he endorsed OHB.

A major issue is electability. If Obama's birth occurred outside the US and not on a military base, we have a MAJOR CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS which would permit King George to secure another 4 years. Gay-Bangers will love that one and the Non-Whites will riot in the streets.

Give me one good reason why Obama resists full disclosure to the civil suits. "

fun gal wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:27 PM:

" ....."All he has to do is produce the records and depending on what's in them, the issue would be resolved, one way or the other."

The issue here is, that it "WON"T BE RESOLVED". People who don't like him won't believe it if he's not guilty of anything.

I was a republican for a few years. Loved Regan 'til he started the "charge now, pay later" thing to get the economy going. We got 2-3 credit cards in the mail every few month's. Didn't even have to ask. They just GAVE them to you. I knew back then that it was gonna cause a problem down the road. Guess I was right on that one. Then I "turned" democrat. After a while I saw that they were just as corrupt as the repubs. Have been independent for quite a while now. "

Again not a candidate wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:26 PM:

" Again, posters, there is no candidate by the names some of you are using to belittle the future president of the United States, Barack Obama. Using these names is just pure fear mongering and hate speech! "

Anita wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:21 PM:

" Mahiun wrote:
" ...but a one page letter from Obama's current doctor cannot be considered as medical records.

Could it be, Anita, that there's really not much more to be said on the subject? The man has never had major surgery, never had a major illness, does not have cancer or AIDS or diabetes or any other chronic or life-threatening disease, has not had a heart attack.... There may simply be nothing more that the doctor felt was germane, since he certified that Obama was in excellent health, recorded several specific test results, and noted any potential concerns. That's actually more than we, as the general public, usually get by way of news about the annual physical for whoever happens to be President at the time.

It really seems like you're grasping at straws here; you're starting to appear desperate to find something --- ANYTHING! --- you can use to string up Obama by the..... As a consequence, you are starting to come off as increasingly shrill and bitter; your posts are getting increasingly nasty, personal, and off-topic. And I'm finding myself starting to respond in kind, which I don't like in myself.

Can we at least agree to call a truce here? Can we find a way to disagree without being disagreeable? "

You call me shrill and bitter, nast, personal, and off topic? You need to reread you're own post against me and others on here. And you're credibility is sinking at a rapid pace. A newborn baby has more than one page in his medical records. Give up the Obama defense. It's getting old and it's not working, at least not with me. "

To Anita wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:19 PM:

" You have common sense and you are using it, UNFORTUNATLY you are talking to liberals that either don't have any or certainly don't use what they have. "

ahhhh wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:17 PM:

" The throes of right wing desperation fill the air like the smoke of burning leaves. As they watch their failed leaders and philosophies get rejected, en masse, by the vast majority of the American public their hearts quail and they lash out at strangers and loved ones alike.

Republican failure smells sweet, like the first roses in the spring. There's a new, better, day coming soon. Thank God our long conservative failed experiment is ending. "

Peter wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:16 PM:

" ODS - Obama Derangement Syndrome

Kind of similar to CDS - Clinton Derangement Syndrome during the Bill Clinton years.

A condition in which you dislike a candidate so much that you throw out all factual information and hold on to what you view as the truth by relying on information from second and third hand sources that fills the void in your own preconceived notions of a particular candidate. Other symptoms include believing something about a particular candidate that has not been proven. Often when that particular candidate is proven contrary the patient belief's the patient will dig through the vast mis/disinformation of the internet in vein to find another issue to stick that particular candidate. Often the symptom is incurable due the fact the patients become increasingly obsessed in finding some kind of dirt that will stick to the candidate that they hold in contempt. However the symptoms usually only lasts 4-8yrs or until there particular party view comes back in vogue at the end of a particular political cycle. "

To un gal wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:14 PM:

" So you think a month worth of time is like the 1980's and you when it is 2008 now.
I SEE....HOLLY COW NO WONDER OSAMA OBAMA WILL GET ELECTED IF ALL THE BRAINWASHED SHEEP IN THIS COUNTRY ARE LIKE YOU. "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:12 PM:

" ...but a one page letter from Obama's current doctor cannot be considered as medical records.

Could it be, Anita, that there's really not much more to be said on the subject? The man has never had major surgery, never had a major illness, does not have cancer or AIDS or diabetes or any other chronic or life-threatening disease, has not had a heart attack.... There may simply be nothing more that the doctor felt was germane, since he certified that Obama was in excellent health, recorded several specific test results, and noted any potential concerns. That's actually more than we, as the general public, usually get by way of news about the annual physical for whoever happens to be President at the time.

It really seems like you're grasping at straws here; you're starting to appear desperate to find something --- ANYTHING! --- you can use to string up Obama by the..... As a consequence, you are starting to come off as increasingly shrill and bitter; your posts are getting increasingly nasty, personal, and off-topic. And I'm finding myself starting to respond in kind, which I don't like in myself.

Can we at least agree to call a truce here? Can we find a way to disagree without being disagreeable? "

Anita wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:12 PM:

" Fun Gal wrote:
Anita, I didn't mean to sound hateful and I'm not attacking you. Sorry if you take it that way. My issue is that Americans have short memories. What happened to the issues that were SSOOO important 6-12 month's ago??? They're on the back burner. Someone has made Obama's BC and medical records the "issue de jour". If he release's complete detailed medical records AND a true birth certificate, some people STILL won't be satisfied. They will find another "issue de jour". "

It's kind of hard to take it any other way when you were personally addressing me and then say, "you Obama haters."
And Obama's records are very important. He is making it an issue himself by not producing them, giving people reason to believe he's hiding something. If it were a Republican or third party candidate, the left would be all over this. All he has to do is produce the records and depending on what's in them, the issue would be resolved, one way or the other. "

Obamas a citizen wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:11 PM:

" probably, but the real birth certificate probably has something he doesn't want revealed until after the election. One might be that Obama wasn't the father of record, or that it simply says 'unknown.' Stanley Ann 'got around' and if Barrack is Frank Marshall Davis' kid, then "Dreams of my Father' will be in the 10 cent bin at Borders post haste. "

un gal wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:08 PM:

" Yeah, you're right. I WAS a republican back in the early eighties. Must still be. Thanks for reminding me. Ha "

To fun gal wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:04 PM:

" Your usage of the word "WAS" is like saying Osama Obama really didn't understand what his rasist preacher was saying in his sermons or like he didn't know Ayrs was a terrorist when he started off his campaign in his house.

Once connected always connected. "

fun gal wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:00 PM:

" ..."Berg was one of Hillary's lawyers...." WAS "

AMAZING wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:57 AM:

" The way all of the Osama obama birth certificated stuff got started was Hillary wanted Osama Obama disqualified when she was running for president and WALLA Berg one of her lawyers in the back ground was on it like a cat on a mouse with full VERBAL backing from other DEMOCRATCS that didn't want Osama Obama getting elected due to his known and UNLIKED agends as a senator.

Your history lesson for the day. "

fun gal wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:50 AM:

" Anita, I didn't mean to sound hateful and I'm not attacking you. Sorry if you take it that way. My issue is that Americans have short memories. What happened to the issues that were SSOOO important 6-12 month's ago??? They're on the back burner. Someone has made Obama's BC and medical records the "issue de jour". If he release's complete detailed medical records AND a true birth certificate, some people STILL won't be satisfied. They will find another "issue de jour". "

To fun gal wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:47 AM:

" You need to do more research, Berg was one of Hillary's lawyers in the back ground when she was still running for president.
PLEASE don't start getting ike Mahiun....PLEASE one of him is enough. "

fun gal wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:43 AM:

" Berg is not Hillary's lawyer. She has about 4 and he is not on the list. One is Kendall. "

Anita wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:43 AM:

" Fun Gal wrote:
" Geez Anita, what do want?? Are you hoping that Obama has terminal cancer or something? That he has a mental illness?
That he has some wierd ailment that is contagious. For heavens sake the man is 44 yrs old. You Obama haters just grasp at straws. It's starting to get comical "

Boy, you're all over the place with your comments. I just sided with you and you attack me. First you say you're a Nader supporter, then you defend Obama. Incredible! I could question why you think a Presidential candidate should NOT produce his medical records. Everyone else has had to. And I am not a hater of anyone and I resent your accusation. No where on here have I stated that I hate Obama. You're showing your colors by bringing out the hate card. "

To fun gal wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:40 AM:

" You are correct, Is all you have to do is take a look at Abraham Lincoln but then again look what happened to him so it may not turn out all that bad after all.. "

fun gal wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:35 AM:

" On a lighter (joking) note, some of our WORST presidents were "Proper Citizen's!!! "

To fun gal wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:35 AM:

" I to want to see what comes out of the court trail.

But it needs to be pointed out that Mahiun is always on the prowl belittling people with faults information just to try and make himself look good.

I will state it one more time for you MAHIUN it is the DEMOCRATS that are trying to prosecute Osama Obama, Berg, Hillary's lawyer, Several other DEMOCRATS have also voiced their concern and want Osama Obama to come clean and he won't until he is court ordered to do so.
He is just like his terrorist buddy Ayrs and learned well from him how to be a criminal. "

fun gal wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:33 AM:

" Geez Anita, what do want?? Are you hoping that Obama has terminal cancer or something? That he has a mental illness?
That he has some wierd ailment that is contagious. For heavens sake the man is 44 yrs old. You Obama haters just grasp at straws. It's starting to get comical "

Anita wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:32 AM:

" Fun Gal wrote:"
They are not MY democrats. I'm a Ralph Nader supporter. I'm not so much defending Obama as I am defending "wanting to see proven facts", not "guesses and hopes" "

I'm with you. I just want to truth one way or the other. Whether he is a citizen or not, he would still not get my vote because of his far left socialist views on the issues. But I think everyone needs to know that our Constitution is not being violated by letting someone in as President unless they are a proper citizen. "

fun gal wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:30 AM:

" "Law Suit Filed Against Obama By A HILLARY Supporter."

Berg is not Hillary's lawyer, but a supporter. He probably donated heavily to her campaign and is pi$$ed off that she didn't make it far enough "

Anita wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:27 AM:

" Sorry, Mahiun, but a one page letter from Obama's current doctor cannot be considered as medical records. Your case for Obama is getting weaker all the time. "

fun gal wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:24 AM:

" They are not MY democrats. I'm a Ralph Nader supporter. I'm not so much defending Obama as I am defending "wanting to see proven facts", not "guesses and hopes" "

AMAZING wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:23 AM:

" I see you are back at it again Mahiun with twisting the facts.
For your information and the TRUTH Berg is one of Hillary's lawyers and a lot more democrats are behind it also.
Please refrain from your incorrect information, I notice everyone is calling you on it lately and should have been a long time ago. "

Truth wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:21 AM:

" Ask me why I would care about Palin's pregnant daughter (relationship) and I will ask you why you care about Obama's relationship at eight years old, half the daughters age. Both are and were minors and at least Obama did not get drilled from the other person. "

Yikes wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:19 AM:

" I believe this Imelda Marcos knock-off from the frozen north to be about as corrupt as a June day is long here in North Idaho. First, she remains under an ethics cloud for possibly using the powers of the state in a personal vendetta against a former brother-in-law, now this latest article suggest she lobbied to steer a multi-billion dollar gas pipeline deal to a single bidder. Curious readers can draw their own conclusions here. AP INVESTIGATION: Palin pipeline terms curbed bids. (Yahoo News.)

John McCain, being elderly and not in the best of health, should anything unfortunate happen to him, it's quite possible as Vice President, Sarah Palin, would be unable to obtain a work release to assume the duties of Chief Executive. Think about it. "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:18 AM:

" ...your democrats would be the ones taking it to court...
A person --- ONE person who happens to be registered as a Democrat. (So what?! Joe Lieberman fits that bill, and he's about as "Democrat" as Rush Limbaugh...)

REMEMBER, It is NOT the republicans that are taking him to court.
And it's not the Democrats, either --- not the DNC, not the Democratic Party of any state, not the Democratic Congressional Congress. It's one grandstanding attorney who sees this as his best shot of "15 minutes of fame". "

fun gal wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:16 AM:

" to to fun gal; the democrats aren't taking him to court. Berg is and he happens to be a democrat.

The CEO of Safeway is a mormon, does that mean the mormons own Safeway??

Dave Thomas who started Wendy's was adopted, does that mean that adoptee's started Wendy's?? "

To fun gal wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:07 AM:

" Do you really think your democrats would be the ones taking it to court and sueing Obama if they didn't know for sure that he wasn't from some where else.

REMEMBER, It is NOT the republicans that are taking him to court.

The truth will come out and Obama will be toast, Maybe YOUR democratic friends want him to get elected first. That way they can have him thrown in prison with the rest of his terrorist friends. "

fun gal wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:06 AM:

" No the ruling hasn't been made yet. But if the judge rules to see the birth certificate AND if the judge rules that it is NOT fake, Obama haters still won't believe it. They will just say that it is a DEMOCRATIC, PARTIAL judge. "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:05 AM:

" Anita, you need to read these sites, not just scan them. Yes, it's a blog site, in the same way that this is a blog site that allows commentary on a news story. The initial article is a report in the Chicago Sun-Times, by Lynn Sweet, published on 29 May 2008. Below that is a fully quoted letter from Obama's physician with a summary of Obama's medical condition.

Is it as long as John McCain's? Of course not --- Obama's medical history is not nearly as complex, or as long. But it does note the cancer risk in the family (Obama's mother died of ovarian cancer), it does note that a prostate-specific antigen test on Obama revealed no anomalies, it does note that Obama has smoked off-and-on for some years but is now successfully kicking the habit with the aid of nicotine gum.

And it has been reported not just in the Chicago Sun-Times, but the LA Times, and any number of other print and online newspapers.

I would also point out that Annenberg does not own PolitiFact dot com, which has also vetted the birth certificate. The fact that you didn't personally see it or touch it, or do not accept it, does not mean that it does not exist or that it is not genuine (sheesh, how narcissistic can one person get?!).

Unless is your name is actually "Mary" and you're on your way to a stable, I wouldn't wait around for that choir of the heavenly host. But I hear you can get a real deal on torches and pitchforks over at Cabela's --- one-stop shopping. Better hurry before they're all gone, though! "

Anita wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:02 AM:

" Fun Gal wrote:
" Anita, I have certified copies of my 3 childrens birth certificates from BOISE. 2 I aquired in 1983 other I aquired in 1986. They look different. Then my oldest lost his an recieved another one in 2001. It looks completely different from the one I got for him in 1983.
So that argument about you looking on the internet at Hawaii's just flew out the window. "

That may be true, but we are talking about 2 different states and 20 years difference. As for when is the MSM going to report this. I doubt they will until the judge rules. There are a lot of stories out there today. Some articles say the judge threw Berg's case out, others say that Obama has been ordered to suspend his campaign until he produces the documents in question. However, I know someone who says her lawyer is watching this court very closely and the judge has not ruled yet, but believes the ruling will come at the beginning of the week. "

fun gal wrote on Oct 25, 2008 10:51 AM:

" Anita, I have certified copies of my 3 childrens birth certificates from BOISE. 2 I aquired in 1983 other I aquired in 1986. They look different. Then my oldest lost his an recieved another one in 2001. It looks completely different from the one I got for him in 1983.
So that argument about you looking on the internet at Hawaii's just flew out the window. "

To fun gal wrote on Oct 25, 2008 10:48 AM:

" The closer we get to election day the more obvious who has been bought and paid for doesn't it....
Chance, What change.... "

Anita wrote on Oct 25, 2008 10:47 AM:

" Oh, and Mahiun, there is nothing about Obama's medical records on that site you listed here. It's just a blog site. Try Again. "

fun gal wrote on Oct 25, 2008 10:45 AM:

" Geez Anita, When are they going to PROVE Obama's a fraud??
McCain's about out of money. Wouldn't they have shown the PROOF card by now??

The republicans realize that Americans have very SHORT memories. What happened to the issues that were so important 6 month's ago...GONE..Obama's "problems" are the
"issue de jour" right now. "

fun gal wrote on Oct 25, 2008 10:40 AM:

" You can get a real good deal on tin foil at Grocery Surplus. But if you need lots & lots, you'll have to go to Costco. "

Anita wrote on Oct 25, 2008 10:39 AM:

" Incredible! Mahiun still believes Anneberg owned factcheck, and he's still swearing by a computer generated birth certificate that looks brand new. I was just on another site and saw what a REAL Hawaiian birth certicate from that time period looks like, and trust me, they are not the same. Give it up, Mahiun. Your candidate is a fraud. "

Peter wrote on Oct 25, 2008 10:37 AM:

" You can have my tinfoil too "hey mal moon". "

hey mal loon wrote on Oct 25, 2008 10:24 AM:

" I checked out that bogus factcheck link and they're still hawking that phony UNFOLDED notice of birth that says his father's race is 'african.'Hahaha. That's not even a good copy. Obie STILL hasn't released the original. Democrat and former attorney general Phillip Berg's case questioning Obama's legal right to be president is gaining more attention the more obama stalls. What's he hiding? " "

Peter wrote on Oct 25, 2008 10:15 AM:

" I have some tinfoil in my storage shed if Niles want to make a hat out of it. "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 25, 2008 10:02 AM:

" Now they are investigating how much of was done illegally and exactly who was involved.

Why would they need to do that? You've already told us that it was all at the behest of, and with the blessing of, the Democratic Party. Why didn't they just come to you, and not bother with all the time and expense of looking for......what's the word.......oh, yeah: facts?!

Imagine what they'll do once they control the FBI, etc....
OMG, you're going to need to stay up all night, every night, to keep all the black helicopters from swooping in and stealing your plastic flamingos and lawn furniture! "

Yikes wrote on Oct 25, 2008 9:54 AM:

" "And Obama is not yet President. Imagine what they'll do once they control the FBI, etc.... "

You are absolutely right, Niles. I bet you are starting to regret surrendering Habeas Corpus and your forth amendment rights without a fight to the Bush administration for a little perceived security. Your fears will be reinforced when President Obama nominates William Ayers for Attorney General. You betcha! "

Niles wrote on Oct 25, 2008 9:30 AM:

" Be afraid of how these Democrats operate. How many wondered how quickly all of Joe the plumbers private information was accessed and spewed by the left wing media? Investigations are under way now to examine that issue.

Apparently Joe's personal information at gov't agencies was accessed for these reasons and by people who were not supposed to use them in that way. His DMV records were scoured for information. Ohio's Child Protection Agencies files were searched looking for dirt on Joe. State and federal files were searched when they were supposed to not be accessible. In a matter of a day this mans life was all over the airways and it was all done at the behest and with the blessing of the Democratic party. Now they are investigating how much of was done illegally and exactly who was involved.

And Obama is not yet President. Imagine what they'll do once they control the FBI, etc.... "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 25, 2008 9:27 AM:

" Where's Obama's [medical record]?
w w w dot blogs dot suntimes dot com / sweet / 2008/05/obama_releases_health_informat dot html

Well, if Mahiun's post come from reliable sources, he's yet to say who the special few were who have actually seen and handled Obama's birth certificate.
Yes, I have. More than once. (I swear, it was easier getting randy hormone-driven 7th graders to sit up, pay attention, and follow along...) But I guess one more time couldn't hurt...

The main article debunking the "fake" flap:
w w w dot factcheck dot org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa dot html

Photo of the actual birth certificate being held and examined, showing fold marks:
w w w dot factcheck dot org / UploadedFiles / birth_certificate_3 dot jpg

Photo of the raised seal:
w w w dot factcheck dot org / UploadedFiles / birth_certificate_1 dot jpg

Blowup of actual certificate number:
w w w dot factcheck dot org / UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_2 dot jpg

On June 13, 2008, Obamas campaign finally released a copy, while launching a fact-check Web site of its own, Fightthesmears dot com. The site is a direct response to allegations about Obama that wont go away: that hes Muslim, that he took the oath of office on a Koran, that he refuses to say the Pledge of Allegiance. PolitiFact dot com has researched all of these accusations and none of them are true. When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real...Its a valid Hawaii state birth certificate, spokesman Janice Okubo told us. At PolitiFact dot com, were all about original sources. We dont take anyone at their word or take the reporting of other media organizations as proof. We go to the heart of the story, the source of the truth original, corroborating documents. When the official documents were questioned, we went looking for more answers. We circled back to the Department of Health, had a newsroom colleague bring in her own Hawaii birth certificate to see if it looks the same (its identical). But every answer triggered more questions. And soon enough, after going to every length possible to confirm the birth certificates authenticity, you start asking, what is reasonable here? Because if this document is forged, then they all are. If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud. They have done it with conspiring officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics, the Illinois Secretary of States office, the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois and many other government agencies.

Short of a choir of the heavenly host announcing that this birth certificate is genuine, it's hard to imagine what more you could want --- although I harbour no illusions that this will satisfy the Torches-and-Pitchforks crowd... "

Repub blame game wrote on Oct 25, 2008 9:22 AM:

to truth.. wrote on Oct 25, 2008 9:18 AM:

" If that is true than most of CDA is not handling their homes very well because sex is rampant at our local high schools. "

TV AD wrote on Oct 25, 2008 8:52 AM:

" I just love the ad on TV that shows McCain proudly stating the fact he voted 90% of the time with Bush.... being a Bush supporter and then now puts the guy down for all he had done, yet McCain had voted for the failed policies.
I think the word for that is lier.

Or this guy is going senile and is forgetting his past. I think the docs have a name for that disorder, other than just old age. "

Anita wrote on Oct 25, 2008 8:51 AM:

" You can thank the liberal media for sticking us with both these losers for candidates. I don't believe this is the best this country can come up with, but the media promotes who they want to shine, and nix on what the people want. How socialist is that? "

answer 2 tiny wrote on Oct 25, 2008 8:48 AM:

" Obama is an admitted illegal drug user (marijuana and cocaine/crack) and tobacco smoker who is running for POTUS. McCain's records are a matter of public record such as his forced admission while being tortured by the communists that he was an evil american. Funny what one says when their arms are being broken. Collaborated with the enemy? My, how low can you democrats go? You must be thinking of Jane Fonda, William Ayers or John' the winter soldier' Kerry? What can Sarah Palin be hiding? Probably nothing except as a mother of Five she has a lot of plumbing issues that she probably doesn't want discussed at kitchen tables. BTW, are those questions all you got, sport? Your boy obama can't even come up with a legal birth certificate, his school records or grades, an explanation how he was able to go to exclusive private schools and who paid for them, why he sends his kids to ritzy private schools, any record of political, business or personal achievements, or if he actually had a paying job before he left Harvard. "

conservative wrote on Oct 25, 2008 8:42 AM:

" To bad some of you are so desperate when your old man is double digits behind as the result of....just being himself and nothing more. He has only himself to blame for his standing with the over all American public. Preaching fear and trying to scare people is exactly what desperate people do. This time the general population sees thru it all and truly wants change in direction. Not just an old man who voted 90% plus with Bush to fill in his shoes.

But go ahead and preach to your choir because it is only them who get off on your double talk and hang on your every word. My gosh man is old man McCain the best you all could draw out of the Reb. magic show hat? How sad. "

Truth wrote on Oct 25, 2008 8:33 AM:

" How one manages their household and home speaks a lot about them and how they will try to manage you...if elected. "

Still Curious wrote on Oct 25, 2008 8:29 AM:

" When is the "right thing" to do wedding between these two hornymones going to happen. Without a wedding fool the big bad boy can just walk... after the election that is. Why aren't they showing of the proud daady anymore either???

But to folks like you having sex with/between minors is something you defend...and maybe even think about, much like you to do about Palin herself? "

Anita wrote on Oct 25, 2008 8:28 AM:

" At least Sarah Palin's daughter is keeping her baby and making a home for him/her. Not like Obama who thinks if it happened to one of his girls, they would be 'punished with a baby.' Besides, last I knew Palin's daughter isn't running for office. "

to curious.. wrote on Oct 25, 2008 8:27 AM:

" Why would you care about Palin's pregnant daughter? That seems a little weird to me.

I think there are bigger concerns in this election like legal birth certificates and Obama's ties to terrorist and radical racists like Rev. Wright. Also let's not forget Obama's support of Acorn and voter fraud and plan to change our county into a socialist government. "

To Obama goes to Hawaii wrote on Oct 25, 2008 8:21 AM:

" Mahiun probably buys his boyfriends more expensive clothing than either Palin or Hillary just so he can get some good man to man love. "

Obama goes to Hawaii wrote on Oct 25, 2008 8:16 AM:

" Don't you find it curious that Obama talked about "rushing" to Hawaii to see his dying grandmother, who may not make it through the week, but it took him over two days to leave? If she was dying why did he wait two days? Did it have something to do with the birth certificate issue and Berg going back to court?

Mahiun, you seem really concerned about Palin's wardrobe but not concerned about Obama using the DNC's plane and money for a personal trip. Or Michelle's afternoon snack of lobsters and imported Iranian cavier at New York's most expensive hotel. Why is that? By the way, Palin's appearance is part of the package that they are presenting. The RNC purchased the clothing to make her look good and why wouldn't they? You know as well as I do that women are held at a different standard regarding appearance. Look at Hollywood. By the way, Hilary Clinton's pantsuits cost over 3,000 each. "

AMAZING wrote on Oct 25, 2008 7:41 AM:

" To curious,, First off they were both under age so there was nothing illegal about it.
I have to asume you are like a 40 year old virgin,,,sounds about right.

To "To AMAZING" Nice insults,,,But it doen't change the fact that Obama is a bum and wouldn't even be alowed to be his own body gaurd.
By the way I didn't have terrorists for friends so I could be Obama's body gaurd but I wouldn't stop a bullet for him since I know what a bum he is. "

to amazing wrote on Oct 25, 2008 7:12 AM:

" I bet if you "honestly" filled out the same application and never once lied or left out anything about your past or current doings or what radical people you hang out with...you could not even make it to dog catcher... "

Curious wrote on Oct 25, 2008 7:07 AM:

" Where is Palin's "pregnant" under aged daughter's boyfriend anymore. They were all so happy to show him off and what he could do on his own in the early days? I thought that was a criminal offense to have sex with and then even fathering a child with a girl being under age? Keeping the child does not change the law..unless one thinks they are above the law.

When is this promised "right thing to do" wedding between the under aged kiddies happening anyway. Is the baby going to be born out of wedlock so as to help the run for leading our country in a more Christian way? "

AMAZING wrote on Oct 25, 2008 6:37 AM:

" If Barack Obama applied for a job with the FBI he would be disqualified because of his past association with William Ayers, a known terrorist.

For the same reason, if he applied for a job with the Secret Service he would be disqualified.

Therefore, if he is elected President
he would not qualify to be his own Body Guard. "

Is there a point to how many black people vote.. wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:33 PM:

" Uhhhm, yes. If 95% of purple people vote for a purple candidate even though he is unproven, untested, and has a track record of incompetence, corruption and bigotry, with only the ability to mesmerize the idiots with a tele-prompter baritone voice, the issue of RACISM has to be considered. I'll leave it to you if that applies to senator 135-days-in-the-senate. "

Peter wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:04 PM:

" Fair enough Sharon. My apology. I made an assumption. That was wrong. When I saw the post on Politico I really didn't have you in mind.

"Is there a point to how many black people vote for the white man or how many white people vote for the black man?" To a sane individual no. But, reading letters to the editors and viewing blogs not just here, but elsewhere in Chicago, Atlanta, Ashville NC, NYC, Eugene OR, and LA you could say that yes race is relevant. Given the demographic make of this area and the continued insistance by some people on these thread that race, in this case misdirected prejudice as "Actually" puts it, is relevent. It goes to show that Obama does have a much broader appeal whether you like him or not. Given the history of this country when it comes to racial prejudices this is pretty historic. I just find the stats interesting. Could the country be turning a new page on race relations? We will find out soon. "

Sharon wrote on Oct 24, 2008 7:44 PM:

" Is there a point to how many black people vote for the white man or how many white people vote for the black man?

This was not about color it was about qualifications!

We will all live with who ever wins..some of us better than others as far as the economy goes.....

I am more worried about how much of our constitution will be left in 4 years. Bush has done enough damage to it already. "

Sharon wrote on Oct 24, 2008 7:31 PM:

" Peter
"Good Grief CDA is in deep crap", you say Sharon. Or dare I say that Cda is becoming more "diverse"!!!!! Arrrgggghhhh! Run for you life he said the "d" word!!

"Diverse" is not really the word I had in mind..but since I am a moderator and know that what I would have used could get me edited, I see no reason to give the moderator here any grief.

Use your imagination..Hint "it is not foul"...just stupid!

What next racist, bigot? always the same cards..nothing else in the deck uh! "

Peter wrote on Oct 24, 2008 7:28 PM:

" Actually, do you think old Di*ck Butler is rolling in his filthy little grave? This is too funny and encouraging.

Politico . com reports:
Polls: White support for Obama at historic level

Barack Obama, the first black major party nominee, is positioned to win the largest share of white voters of any Democrat in more than three decades, according to an exclusive Politico analysis of recent Gallup and Pew Research Center polling.

The most recent two weeks of Gallup polling, which includes roughly 13,000 interviews, show 44 percent of non-Hispanic white voters presently support Obama the highest number for a Democrat since 47 percent of whites backed Jimmy Carter in 1976.

Until the stock market swoon in mid-September, Obama had never reached 40 percent among white voters.

No Democrat has won a majority of white voters since Lyndon Johnson in 1964. John McCain has shuffled between 48 percent and 50 percent support in recent weeks which would be the lowest share for a Republican candidate in a two-man race since Barry Goldwater's run.

If Obama's share holds, it would top the 43 percent of white voters who backed Bill Clinton in 1996, when the Democrat won a plurality among white females and 38 percent of white men, the best performance by a Democrat in all those categories since 1976.

Before the party conventions, Obama's support among white men had never passed 35 percent. In September, he matched Clinton's level of support, and last week he jumped five points to 43 percent.

That is amazing, Obamas pollster Cornell Belcher said after those numbers were read to him.

It was already a change election and now you have a cross pressure of the economy, he said, causing whites who have not been voting for white Democrats" to back Obama.

A Politico breakdown of the Pew polling shows dramatic improvement for Obama among whites since early September on the question of who would do a better job "improving the economy." White women, who last month were split, now believe Obama will do a better job improving the economy by a 49 to 35 percent margin. White men, who had favored McCain by 10 points, are now split with 41 percent preferring Obama and 43 percent McCain. "

Anita wrote on Oct 24, 2008 7:20 PM:

" Jacq here Anita wrote:
" Where are her records. It probably will not matter but she, Ms. Palin, will not produce until after the election, as they will not be relevant. "

I heard Palin say, I believe it was yesterday, that she doesn't have a problem releasing her records, although she said they are pretty boring as she's never had any serious medical problems. Funny, I would think the medical records of a Presidential candidate would be more important. Where's Obama's? "

Actually wrote on Oct 24, 2008 7:14 PM:

" My my my. "Ancestry of Barack Obama" also sources Kenyan government vital statistics. The man is not an Arab. Again, get your prejudices right. You are as wrong as that crazy lady at a Minnesota McCain rally who acused Obama being an Arab. It was funny to see McCain take that mic away from the old bag and correct her. "

2 tiny hard on truth wrote on Oct 24, 2008 7:13 PM:

Jacq here Anita wrote on Oct 24, 2008 7:09 PM:

" Where are her records. It probably will not matter but she, Ms. Palin, will not produce until after the election, as they will not be relevant. "

To Actually wrote on Oct 24, 2008 7:04 PM:

" You are just like Mahiun with your twisted posts.

His daddy was a proud Arab muslim and the "Kimberly Powell (2008). "Ancestry of Barack Obama". About.co m. Retrieved on 2008-09-26 " Was done my Berry or Barack Obama without giving any proof.

So what is your point. "

Peter wrote on Oct 24, 2008 7:01 PM:

" "Good Grief CDA is in deep crap", you say Sharon. Or dare I say that Cda is becoming more "diverse"!!!!! Arrrgggghhhh! Run for you life he said the "d" word!!

I have to say cda press, good job with this real-time response you got going on this thread. This is kind of fun. "

Actually wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:54 PM:

" Obama Sr. was born on the shores of Lake Victoria in Nyangoma Kogelo, Alego, Siaya, Kenya to Hussein Onyango Obama (c. 18951979), and Akumu Habiba. His family are members of the Luo tribe. Obama Sr. was raised as a Muslim, but later became an atheist. He grew up in Nyangoma Kogelo, and was married at the age of eighteen in a tribal ceremony to Kezia, with whom he had four children. There is not an ounce of Arab blood in him. You people can't even get your prejudices correctly. Amazing!

Sources:
Barack Obama. "My Spiritual Journey", TIME Retrieved on 2008-09-26.

Kimberly Powell (2008). "Ancestry of Barack Obama". About.co m. Retrieved on 2008-09-26 "

To Yaaaaawn wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:47 PM:

" And you can explain how it is that his daddy was born an Arab and raised Berry or is it Barack Obama for awhile and he wasn't a muslum...Interesting

Let's see Berry, Barack or who ever he is produce the pappers to show what he really is....OH YEAH then the truth might come out and then no more president Obama. "

Yaaaaawn wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:39 PM:

" You people dislike him so much that you are willing to believe in anything you read on the blog. Just so you ignorant bloggers know Kenya is only 10% Muslim as reported by CIA World Factbook on country profile. Finally, Obama is an American and you will all be very disappointed when this case is dismissed.

2008 CIA World Factbook Kenya:
Religions:
Protestant 45%, Roman Catholic 33%, Muslim 10%, indigenous beliefs 10%, other 2% "

Sharon wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:38 PM:

" Peter,

Mahiun, took a post I wrote and broke it into many different sentences and then preceded to make it sound like I said something I did not say....I used those references to point out that everyone has been bringing up a bunch of useless crap that means nothing.

And this person supposedly went to NIC?

Basically you did the same thing, I used the plane as an example to show this kind of petty BS can go on and on, is pointless and who gives a rats patootie who does what?

Good Grief CDA is in deep crap! "

To AMAZING wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:38 PM:

" You are being very silly. They are BOTH criminals. They BOTH could have documents forged, or people bribed. The ridiculous part of you argument is not you persistent claim that Obama is a criminal, it's you naivet in overlooking the fact that McCain is just as capable of being a criminal as Obama is. "

To anita wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:34 PM:

" No, I mean like they did with his Kenyan one. "

Anita wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:30 PM:

" Oh, Jeez wrote:
" Anita, I can produce a Kenyan birth certificate too. Just give me 10 min. and a mac. "

You mean like they did with Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate? "

AMAZING wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:30 PM:

" X, McCain has never hidden his medical records at all and everything is in public view.
Nice try when it comes to trying to make McCain seem as bad as Obama.
McCain is open about everything, Obama is a criminal and he is hoping he can cover it up his ciminal behaviour if he gets elected. "

Anita wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:28 PM:

" To: To Anita,

McCain produced more than Obama did. And some of this may be classified as he was a prisoner of war. Obama showed a one page letter from his current doctor saying he's physically fit. I guess he never saw a doctor before that. "

Oh Jeez wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:26 PM:

" Anita, I can produce a Kenyan birth certificate too. Just give me 10 min. and a mac. "

X wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:24 PM:

" I don't think it really matters about McCain's medical records. It wouldn't take much to pay some doctors off so they'll tell America you are just fine....... "

Anita wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:24 PM:

" To Amazing:

The judge was going to rule on this today, but Philip Berg handed him some evidence. A copy of Obama's birth certificate from a Kenyan hospital, along with the hospital records, and an audio recording of Obama's Kenyan grandmother saying she was there in the Kenyan hospital when he was born. Hm, this should be interesting. "

wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:23 PM:

" Maybe Obama's got genital warts. YOU wouldn't want America to know that about you, would you? "

To Anita wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:22 PM:

" He didn't produce all his records. "

Anita wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:20 PM:

" To: To Anita,

McCain didn't even hestitate to produce his medical records. You lose on that one. "

Amazing wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:20 PM:

" Anita, You can't expect Mahium to produce any of those records since Obama won't produce them.

This will come to head in the near future and Obama will either be disqualified or removed from office once he is elected.

I am not fond of McCain but he doesn't have anything to hide and I certainly wouldn't vote for a muslum and NON citizan which is what Obama is..."IF NOT then the proof is easy for him to disprove and he can't. "

Peter wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:19 PM:

" Sharon

I am certain that it cost far less than Ms Palin's $150,000 wardrobe and $22,000 a week make up lady. The man went to visit his dying grandmother for crying out loud. "

To Anita wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:18 PM:

" ""Why not? What's he hiding?""

The same question could be asked of McCain and his medical book....I mean records. "

Anita wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:10 PM:

" Well, if Mahiun's post come from reliable sources, he's yet to say who the special few were who have actually seen and handled Obama's birth certificate. Seeing a copy on a website is just not credible. And as far as records go, Obama won't produce his college entrance records, medical records, or records of international contributions (which are illegal) Why not? What's he hiding? I think it's important for him to produce all documents as required of every other candidate. He's not special.

Obama can make all this go away just by producing the documents in question. "

To moderator wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:07 PM:

" I completely disagree with AMAZING. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean they are "attacking" you.

In my opinion, Mahiun is one of the only people here who posts are consistently level headed, informed, and practical. I have never read one of his posts and thought "God, what a d!ck" which is something I can't even say about myself. People call him names and attack him for his sexuality all the time but he doesn't even retaliate.

That's my opinion. AMAZING is full of it. "

Sharon wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:06 PM:

" Mahiun...

I wonder what it cost for Obama to fly on the DNC plane to Hawaii to visit his Grandmother?

Get over yourself, and let the petty talk go, as you see above this can go on and on and it is not worth my time. "

Repub blame game wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:02 PM:

" Amazing, you've got to be kidding! You are kidding right? Mahiun posts articulate and are backed by sources. They are a far from saying that this or that person is a communist, socialist, or worst. Enlighten us and provide the blog here with evidence that Mahiun is bashing someone. "

AMAZING wrote on Oct 24, 2008 5:56 PM:

" MODERATOR I have a question for you.?

Why is it Mahium can get away with bashing people all the time in his under handed way of belittling them on a regular biases and NO ONE does anything about his posts.

Most of his posts are not truthful and they are always of a total socialist persuasion leaning towards communism and I for one really find it offensive.

I can tell you his last post was not about me but it is always an insult to some one. "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 24, 2008 5:46 PM:

" Oh, Sharon, Sharon, Sharon --- where to start.....?

...prisoner of war being attacked...
"Attacked" seems a little melodramatic, don't you think? Maybe "grilled", "called to account", "pressed", "pressured", "challenged" --- but "attacked"?! I haven't heard anybody "attack" John McCain the prisoner of war, just John McCain the political candidate. It comes with the territory.

...woman buys clothing so she can go on tour...
SHE didn't buy those clothes --- that's the problem! The RNC bought them, using money donors had provided for campaign expenses. The question then becomes whether $150,000 of shopping, in TWO MONTHS, at two of the priciest stores in America (Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman-Marcus) qualifies as "legitimate campaign expense".

...how much does Obama's family spend on cloths? Oh sorry thats off limits...
Yep --- as long as it's their own money, it is (and ought to be) off-limits!

If you are going to run my country, just produce the dang birth cirtificate...
He has. More than once.

...not the phoney one no one can examine on the internet...
It has been examined. Repeatedly. And the examination was photographed. Repeatedly. And vetted and verified. Repeatedly. And vouched as authentic. Repeatedly.

...along with your school records...
What exactly do you mean by "records"? Do you mean "transcripts", "diplomas", or what? You already know where Obama went to school, and what his degrees were; why do you need actual transcripts? Have you seen complete transcripts from John McCain's time at Annapolis? How is this relevant; how does it amount to more than a distraction? "

CB GUY wrote on Oct 24, 2008 4:58 PM:

" Lynn,
I do hope that you get what you wish for as I do not give a hoot as to what you are playing out in your letter to the editor. Hannity at least tells it like it is, whereas the liberal media just spoon feeds you that specific garbage that obiviously you feel satisies your feel good attitude. If BHO is elected, god save our country.
CBG "

Sharon wrote on Oct 24, 2008 4:41 PM:

" Personally I don't like either candidate and i believe Bush should have been impeached...but Pelosi didn't have the guts to fullfill her promise..

I do not look at the party I look at the politician and their record and expierence, and I don't believe the president of the United States should have come out of the Senate...We can do better than that, both of these people have been part of the problem.

We should replace all 33 senators up for re-election and should vote most of the house out, any one who has not keep their promises or out right lied...There are a few who have worked hard for American, for instance Senator Dorgan but if we want them to take heed and listen to "We the people" we are going to have to clean house in DC.

Keep doing the same thing and you will keep getting the same result...Obama or McCain will not make the changes the people are hoping for. "

Hard Truths wrote on Oct 24, 2008 3:55 PM:

" This one is really, really big.
Sharon, What kind of a Republican state do you really want us to live in? One dominated by the likes of McCain/Palin,Jim Risch, Larry Craig and that ultimate bottom feeder, Bill Sali, or work to bring Idaho into the 21st century, supporting sensible Republicans like Colin Powell, Paul Volcker and this latest convert,Charles Fried. (more here)

Reagan Appointee and (Recent) McCain Adviser Charles Fried Supports Obama

Charles Fried, a professor at Harvard Law School, has long been one of the most important conservative thinkers in the United States. Under President Reagan, he served, with great distinction, as Solicitor General of the United States. Since then, he has been prominently associated with several Republican leaders and candidates, most recently John McCain, for whom he expressed his enthusiastic support in January.

This week, Fried announced that he has voted for Obama-Biden by absentee ballot. In his letter to Trevor Potter, the General Counsel to the McCain-Palin campaign, he asked that his name be removed from the several campaign-related committees on which he serves. In that letter, he said that chief among the reasons for his decision "is the choice of Sarah Palin at a time of deep national crisis."

Fried is exceptionally thoughtful and principled; his vote for Obama is especially noteworthy. "

Sharon wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:49 PM:

" Well Idahoans I can be thankful for one thing...Idaho is still a Republican state...and this state will vote Republican..so thank goodness the Democrats on here are not going to matter one way or the other.

Its just too bad people don't have the guts to vote for a 3rd party and replace all of them!

Maybe 4 more years will smarten people up! If you still have a job, a home and can feed your family after that, but hey at least the illegals won't have to worry because you can be sure the Democrats are going to make sure you support, educate and give free health care to them. "

Repub blame game wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:34 PM:

" Robert L. Borosage, Institute for America's Future:
McCain is only trying even now to separate himself from Bush. But the collapse is complete. The GOP emerges from this election as a regional, whites only, aging minority party. The market fundamentalism that unified Republicans is disgraced in Wall Streets debaucheries and coming recession. The imperial fantasies that roused them were exhausted in the Iraqi morass. They are bereft of plausible ideas and compelling leaders. What remains is only invective, recrimination and a clothing allowance. The circular firing squad is already exchanging lead. The wilderness awaits.

Grover Norquist, President of Americans for Tax Reform:
Both. The republican party cannot move back to its Reagan principles without acknowledging the Bush spending spree was wrong. Now is the time for McCain to point out that Obama is even worse than Bush on spending. McCain's slogan must be vote against the Bush/Obama spending

Andrew Harris (guest), Executive Recruiter, MO:
I believe the blame game has begun. McCain never stood much of a chance of separating himself from the Bush policies, especially when there is footage all over the internet of him admitting to voting with Bush a majority of the time, and voting FOR him twice and being happy about it. (In addition to saying he campaigned for him and did whatever he could to get Bush elected.) Reduce...

I also believe we will begin to see a shift in the GOP as they realize that religion must become more personal and less public. The GOP will get back to its roots of fiscal conservatism, and move more toward the center on social issues. After all, most religions promote tolerance. America is becoming more diversified as time goes on, so appealing to the conservative base alone is not going to win them elections. If the GOP does not make adjustments, they had better be prepared for the next 20 years of Democratic leadership. It boils down to who they choose as the future of the party. Will it be Palin/Huckabee and failure, or Romney/Jindal and a renewed chance at success?

Adriel Reyes (guest), Accountant, NY:
Fiscal Conservatives and Moderate Republicans will blame the Bush administration and the Cultural/Religious Conservatives. Cultural/Religious Conservatives will blame the Moderate/Liberal Republicans. We are seeing the beginning of the war for the soul of the Republican party. As an "Obamacan", I hope that sanity returns to my party! "

Planted Plumber wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:31 PM:

" The got Joe the Plumber in the picture to help take attention away from someone else "Larry Craig" who is in the toilet. LOL "

Daryl Jenson fmr repub wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:23 PM:

" McCains downfall is that he tried to pander to his base and women voters. He should have stuck to his guns and run as the moderate that he made himself out to be in 2000. Tom Ridge would have been a great choice for veep. To late now. That is what you get when you hire the Bush staff of 04 to run your campaign. Obama will get my vote and if he lets me down I will vote for someone else in 04. "

To Have you heard wrote on Oct 24, 2008 1:29 PM:

" First off no one planted "Joe" he just ask an honest question which made Obama come clean about his lies on taxation.
Second off I agree with you about the lies and that would be the ones Obama is telling,,,When will he come clean about what he is hiding about his life and quit telling lies about not raising taxes on the middle class.
The democrats always raise taxes on the middle class and now you would like us to have an out of controll Obama as president and a democratic congess....What a deal. "

to to Anita wrote on Oct 24, 2008 1:28 PM:

" Well said.

Also, why is Sarah Palin so upset that Obama said he would like to sit down with world leaders, even of Iran, etc., to talk, to communicate, to try and see if we could work together to make this world a better place. Why is she so focused on how bad that would be, because McCain never said it, that is why. The citizens of McCain's own state don't like him. And, Sarah Palin still thinks she is going to run the Senate, that that is what the Vice President does, make laws, make changes, she still doesn't understand how our government works does she, scary, very, very, scary. "

Anita wrote on Oct 24, 2008 1:28 PM:

" To: To Anita. (Geesh, I wish people would use their own names)

Look, I don't like McCain, either and have no intention of voting for him or Obama. But at least we know McCain's downfalls. We know absolutely NOTHING about Obama, and the media and the DNC intend to keep it that way. Personally, I find voting for an unknown Obama way more scarier than voting for someone with all his faults. At least we know what they are. I just can't seem to jump on this Obama blind trust wagon with all the rest. "

To Anita wrote on Oct 24, 2008 1:19 PM:

" In this case, I find what we don't know about the past of one man preferable to what we do know about the present state of another. A senior citizen with a host of problems, both physical and mental, that aging entails. John McCain is a man who seems obsessed with the culture wars of the 60s, a man who publicity stated he doesn't know how the economy works and having a totally vacuous wingnut just across the hall from the Oval Office doesn't exactly fill one with confidence living in a nation experiencing financial turmoil unseen since the 1930s on one hand and youthful adversaries like Ahmadinejad and Putin gaining more influence in world affairs on the other. The world has become a very dangerous place in the last eight years and candidate Obama has already displayed a remarkable popularity among the peoples of nations whose help from their leaders we are certainly going to need if we have any chance in solving both our foreign and domestic problems in the coming years. The American people are beginning to understand that it has been the policies of confrontation that have brought US to this point in our history and new directions are needed if we are to avoid generational long serial wars that eventually will take us to defeat and financial ruin. John McCain is the product of one failed war, candidate Obama is telling us there may be a better way. "

Have you heard wrote on Oct 24, 2008 1:17 PM:

" SHE LIED ABOUT BEING ATTACKED. She made it all up, what a flipping nut case and she worked with the McCain committee, God help us all. I hope they throw the book at that little b!tch and to think McCain and Palin called her to give their condolenses. Don't you think that makes them feel like real idiots.

Go to KHQ . com and they have the story on their web site.

What's next, what other lies are they going to try to put out there. They really messed up when they planted Joe the Plumber, again, what's next. "

Obama uses DNC funds wrote on Oct 24, 2008 1:11 PM:

" Obama is traveling to Hawaii to visit his grandmother using the DNC private plane. He is not doing any campaigning while he is there so clearly using DNC's property and money for his personal gain. How shameful. "

Anita wrote on Oct 24, 2008 1:03 PM:

" Me wrote:

" This anger is starting to remind me of the people who held onto their anger all through out the Clinton years. They hold such animosity towards the candidate they hate that no matter what is presented it is never good enough. I am willing to bet that if Jesus himself wrote an op-ed peace in the Press endorsing Obama you people would still be suspicious. Why? Judging by what is posted here the hate is that strong. If and of course that is a big IF, (I do not believe in the polls, Obama wins so what? You can show your disapproval during the mid-term elections and you can vote him out in '04. Vis-a-vis for McCain supporters. Man oh man it must su*ck to be you living in this country believing that were are all in a state of constant crisis. Times get choppy and times get good. Things have a way balancing out and it may get choppy again. That is life. Just chill out people. "

Hm, when you can't answer the question, you bring out the 'hate' card. Nobody here said they hate Obama, but they sure are hungry for answers about him. Answers that even his followers can't produce. "

me wrote on Oct 24, 2008 12:59 PM:

" This anger is starting to remind me of the people who held onto their anger all through out the Clinton years. They hold such animosity towards the candidate they hate that no matter what is presented it is never good enough. I am willing to bet that if Jesus himself wrote an op-ed peace in the Press endorsing Obama you people would still be suspicious. Why? Judging by what is posted here the hate is that strong. If and of course that is a big IF, (I do not believe in the polls, Obama wins so what? You can show your disapproval during the mid-term elections and you can vote him out in '04. Vis-a-vis for McCain supporters. Man oh man it must su*ck to be you living in this country believing that were are all in a state of constant crisis. Times get choppy and times get good. Things have a way balancing out and it may get choppy again. That is life. Just chill out people. "

fun gal wrote on Oct 24, 2008 12:59 PM:

" Sharon, no one cares how much anyone spends on clothes. Obama, McCain and Biden buy THEIR OWN clothes. Personal money. People are upset beacause the Republican National Comittee bought Sarah's clothes. Republicans who donated to the campaign for, advertising, travel, etc. are pi$$ed off that the GOP spent money on her clothes....REPUBLICANS...some have said they want their money back. "

Thanks to all wrote on Oct 24, 2008 12:58 PM:

" I used to go to Hukleberrys to see what people had to say. The press comment section is way more interesting. I still got to HBO sometimes to laugh at the chatters' antics. "

Anita wrote on Oct 24, 2008 12:56 PM:

" Me, the only birth certificate Obama has produced has only been seen on the internet. No one has actually physically seen the document up close. If you have a source who has, please enlighten us. "

me wrote on Oct 24, 2008 12:49 PM:

" Sharon, Obama still where's the same shoes that he campaigned in when he first ran for office in the 90's. According to AP. The problem is that the certificate had been presented and the wingnuts won't believe that it is true. But, hey that is your own bliss so enjoy. "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 24, 2008 12:49 PM:

" I have a job, thanks --- one that permits me to work from home and turn in my stuff at 3 a.m., if I choose to. (And I pay a pretty hefty amount of taxes; not looking for a handout, and never have.)

I'm an insomniac, and I'm a fast typist, so it doesn't take me that long to get my work done or to post on here. I knew all those incredibly boring typing classes at CHS would pay off, one day! (Actually, I didn't know that at all, but my mom did, and she insisted that I stick with the typing classes, even when I couldn't stand 'em.) "

fun gal wrote on Oct 24, 2008 12:49 PM:

" Anita, If the Attorney General would DEMAND the BC, Obama would have to produce it. No one has done that yet. Makes ya wonder if this is "made up" "

you need a job Mahiun wrote on Oct 24, 2008 12:44 PM:

" You are on here 24/7. You really need a job. No wonder you are so excited about Obama - you are waiting for your handout! "

Sharon . wrote on Oct 24, 2008 12:44 PM:

" And this Blog is exactly what is wrong with this country...prisoner of war being attacked, woman buys clothing so she can go on tour....how much does Obama's family spend on cloths? Oh sorry thats off limits and who gives a rats patootie anyway, what a load of crap!

If you are going to run my country, just produce the dang birth cirtificate ( not the phoney one no one can examine on the internet), so we know you are eligible acording to our constitution to be president of the United States, along with your school records, that really should be quite simple, Over and done with, unless you are hiding something and don't have the records. "

Anita wrote on Oct 24, 2008 12:37 PM:

" Hard Truths,

I still don't hear an explanation from you why Obama's life is a blank to the public, and why he won't produce documents like everyone else has who has run for President. Trying to divert the arguement doesn't cut it with me. "

Hard Truths wrote on Oct 24, 2008 12:34 PM:

" Doesn't McCain's selection of this woman, now under an ethical cloud, a candidate for VP that obviously wasn't vetted properly, indicate a consistent pattern of lax and bad judgments reaching back to his involvement with the Keating-five and more recent associations with a domestic terrorist and convicted felons like G Gordon Liddy and Oliver North? "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 24, 2008 12:30 PM:

" I can hardly see where McCain/Palin can be blamed for this, although I'm sure there are some minds out there small enough to try to make a connection.

Yes, I expect so, since there were certainly plenty of them small enough to try to pin this on Obama, before it was proven a hoax.... "

Anita wrote on Oct 24, 2008 12:22 PM:

" Peter, I doubt McCain's campaign will over because of some nut job making up an attack. Weirdos always come out of the woodwork when there is an election. This is not new. I can hardly see where McCain/Palin can be blamed for this, although I'm sure there are some minds out there small enough to try to make a connection. "

Anita wrote on Oct 24, 2008 12:14 PM:

" Hard Truths,

Unlike the suspicious actions, and Obama's own words in his book, there was a hearing about the Keating incident and McCain was reprimanded for using bad judgement, but not charged with anything. I think you'll find the same thing when it comes to the Palin incident. You're really digging to find dirt on others when your concern should be about the socialist, communist actions and words of a man running for the highest office in this land. He is asking everyone to take him at his word and blindly vote for him even though no one knows anything about him. Smooth, empty words on the campaign trail don't do anything for me. It's obvious there is a major cover up both by the Democrat party and the liberal media when it comes to Obama. They want to see a Democrat in office no matter what the consequences are. You have apparently fallen for that empty rhetoric like so many others. God help America. "

Peter wrote on Oct 24, 2008 12:04 PM:

" thanks 4 the link and liberals hate whitey posted links to a Drudge report article about an Obama supporter mugging and beating a McCain supporter. It is a good thing FOX news is out their digging up the real truth:

Fox News VP: If McCain Worker 'Mutilation' Story Is a Hoax His Campaign Is 'Over'

It had drawn wide local and national -- even political attention, with the McCain and Obama campaigns weighing in -- but now the Ashley Todd story has fallen apart. Police in Pittsburgh have now declared the tale a hoax and the woman, who has confessed, now faces charges for her deed.

Earlier today, John Moody, executive vice president at Fox News, commented on his blog there that "this incident could become a watershed event in the 11 days before the election. If Ms. Todd's allegations are proven accurate, some voters may revisit their support for Senator Obama, not because they are racists (with due respect to Rep. John Murtha), but because they suddenly feel they do not know enough about the Democratic nominee.

"If the incident turns out to be a hoax, Senator McCain's quest for the presidency is over, forever linked to race-baiting."

He titled his posting: "Moment of Truth." Indeed.

It started yesterday afternoon with Matt Drudge screaming at the top of his site this afternoon in red type -- but no siren -- that a Pittsburgh campaign worker for McCain, age 20, had been viciously attacked and the letter "B" carved into her face, presumably by a Barack Obama fan. Her name, it soon emerged, was Ashley Todd and she had come to Pittsburgh from College Station, Texas, to help out.

It started to appear overblown (Drudge downgraded it to smaller, black type) as the police noted that it seemed to be a robbery ($60) and she did not seek medical attention. But later press reports said she would visit a hospital, Sarah Palin and maybe John McCain had reportedly called her and Obama has condemned the alleged assault, although McCain/Obama angle to story not yet confirmed.

Still later, conservative columnist Michelle Malkin, and some others, grew skeptical. For one thing, the "B" was carved a little too lightly and perfectly -- and backward, as if done using a mirror. Smoking Gun probed a too-pat "Twitter" angle and Gawker and Wonkette looked at her MySpace page.

Now police say that evidence from the ATM that she reportedly visited did not match her account. And it turns out she changed her story, admitting that her assailant did not see a McCain bumper sticker and adding to her account a sexual assault and losing consciousness. Liberal bloggers poked all sorts of holes in the story, including the fact that the attack allegedly took place in a very public place. Drudge added a link titled "B...or B.S."?

Finally, early this afternoon, came word that she had made it all up. "

Hard Truths wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:27 AM:

" What about McCain's past associations with Charles Keating and why can't we get the FBI wiretap audio tapes released? Consider his attending a fundraiser at the home of domestic terrorist G Gordon Liddy in 1998. A man who discussed blowing up the Brookings Institute, and kidnapping anti-war "radicals' in the early 70s. Liddy, a terrorist and convicted felon, also used the public airways to advise how best to kill government agents by always shooting for the head thereby bypassing the body armor.

Today, Alaska investigators are asking Sarah Palin, under oath, if she used the formidable powers of the state in what appears to be a personal vendetta against a former brother-in-law. If this potential abuse of government power turns out to be true, would it not be another insight into her character-- or lack of? Might we have another Nixon in a skirt on our hands? "

to Anita wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:21 AM:

" I agree with you completely. It is mind boggling that people don't even want to look into these issues regarding Obama. Electing Obama will change the course of our nation. Everyone needs to be educated.

People like "Hard Truths" are constantly throwing out insults on Palin like "PsychoSarah" which have absolutely no bearing on the issues. It's just an ignorant way to avoid talking about real issues. You may not like McCain/Palin ticket, but what makes her pyscho? She is a mother of five, Governor of Alaska with some great accomplishments, was mayor of a city, and really the most "average candidate" we have ever had for office. You may not agree with her politics but that doesn't make her psycho.

It is interesting that in an election where people are being judge as a racist if they dont support Obama are now being encouraged to be sexist against Palin. The whole wardrobe controversy is a perfect example. It is just pure nonsense fed to us by the pro-Obama media and the non-thinking idiots are eating it up. Our beloved Mahiun is a perfect example of this. He refers to Palin as Neiman-Marcus Barbie as if this woman has no substance to her. It is complete baloney and should be an insult to all women regardless of political beliefs.

Weve come along way baby! (not) "

tosoft and flacid truths wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:03 AM:

Anita wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:35 AM:

" Sarah Palin said last night that her records are being released, and this thing with John McCain has been hashed over many times. Why are you working so hard to steer this away from Obama? I would think Obama's history would be of more importance under the circumstances. Don't you think the public has a right to see Obama's medical records instead of a one page letter from his current doctor stating he's in good health? When someone tries to hide all the documentation of his life, that should be enough to raise a red flag for anyone. Tells me he's tring to hide something big time. "

Hard Truths wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:15 AM:

" What about McCain's military records as a POW? Did he collaborate with the enemy as some have alleged? Why has Sarah refused to release her medical records, what could she possibly be hiding? "

Anita wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:10 AM:

" Hard Truths, I think people should be more concerned with Obama refusing to produce his birth certicate, college records, and medical records, than what's going on in Alasks. "

Hard Truths wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:07 AM:

" You're right Anita. We may yet get an October surprise. I believe PsychoSarah and the first dude are both giving depositions under oath today by Alaska investigators. "

Anita wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:34 AM:

" It just simply amazes me that people are more concerned with Joe the plumber and Palin's wardrobe than they are with the words right out of Obama's mouth, and the videos showing Obama campaigning with Odinga in Kenya. Things are getting hot for Obama and he's hiding out at grandma's house. It wouldn't have anything to do with the judge's ruling today on his birth certificate, would it? Or the fact that Berg and Corsi are going to bring to light some damning documents in the next couple of days? Hmm, we may get an October surprise yet. "

Sharon wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:14 AM:

" Pelosi 2005....Give the Democrats the Majority of the House in 2006 and I will impeach Bush. NOT!

2006...Dems have the Majority of the house....Pelosi, sorry impeachment is off the table. Go figure!(This I was so looking forward to) it would have been a important message to future presidents..."We won't stand for a dictator"

Pelsoi, Reid, Franks,etc. "Give us the majority in 2006" and we will bring the troops home and stop funding the war.

2006..."their excuse" we don't have a 60% majority to stop the spending bill....HELLLOOOO all the Liar Pelosi had to do was not bring the war funding bill to the floor, she has control of everything that hits the floor of the House and believe me she has stopped many a good bill because she was afraid a Republican would get some credit for it. ( How soon we forget)

Now there is good and bad in both partys but the voters refuse to educate themselves on the people representing us, and throw the bad apples out....Pelsoi is so sure of being re-elected she does not even need to campaign, along with so many others. How pathetic the American voter is.

Last, Give the House, the Senate and the President to the Dems completely and your constitution is going to be destroyed, along with this country, everything from 1st amendment (Freedom of speech) 2nd amendment ( right to bear arms) and the list goes on, with out the checks and balances set forth by our founding fathers.

We don't have to worry in Idaho, McCain will win this Republican state but what a shame we can not control some of the other states where uneducated voters are going to throw our country under the train and it will probably never recover from it.

The stuff out there on Obama can not be made up ( his connections), is it relevent? only if it is worth taking a chance with your country, It will be the biggest gamble of your life. "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:13 AM:

" Y'know, I try to be a good sport, and there's a lot I will put up with, but the post from 4:56 a.m. just crosses the line: vulgar, crass, and personally defamatory.

Moderator, please do your job.

(P.S.: the fact that the post has been up there for more than four hours is not doing anything to erase the image of the moderators and their policies being subjective, capricious, and arbitrary.) "

Moderator wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:09 AM:

" TO: CB GUY... Your 9:03 post was deleted for using veiled profanity. You are welcome to post but please do not debase other posters or use profanity. Your post without those few unnecessary terms was fine. Feel free to repost it leaving those out. Thank you. "

Mary wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:43 AM:

" You have some nerve being critical of our politics, or making comments about any of the candidates, you're a Canadian newspaper. Clean up your own mess first. "

fRAN wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:35 AM:

" IF YOU MAKE POOR CHOICES IN YOUR PRIVATE LIFE, HOW CAN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TRUST YOU TO MAKE GOOD CHOICES WHEN THE WELFARE OF 300 MILLION PEOPLE ARE AT RISK, OR THE WHOLE WORLD. IF HE WERE MORE OPEN, EXPLANATIONS AND INQUIRES WOULD NOT BE NECESSARY TO FIND OUT THE FACTS. FIRST TIME SHAME ON YOU SECOND TIME SHAME ON ME. ALWAYS AN EXCUSE TO COVER BAD CHOICES, DOESN'T CUT IT WHEN YOU LEAD THE STRONGEST NATION IN THE WORLD. WHEN THE PRESS CHOSES TO DIS-REGARD THE FACTS THAT WE THE VOTERS ARE ENTITLED TO KNOW, WE GET OUR NEWS FROM A RELIABLE SOURCE. ANY INTELIGENT PERSON KNOWS TO CHECK OUT THE STATEMENTS, WHICH I DO OFTEN. I HAVEN'T YET TO FIND A FALSE STATEMENT, SOME ARE OVER PUBLICIZED, BUT ON THE WHOLE RELIABLE. HOW CAN WE NOT HOLD SOMEONE RESPONSIBLE FOR CHOICES THEY MADE IN LAST FEW YEARS. IF ADOLF HITLER, WERE TRIED IN A WORLD WIDE COURT, FOUND GUILTY AND SENTENCED TO FIFTY YEARS IN JAIL, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN FREE ABOUT 13 YEARS AGO. WOULD YOU SAY HE CAN LIVE NEXT DOOR TO ME, HE COMMITED THOSE ATTROCITIES SOOOOOOOOOOO MANY YEARS AGO. "

Whos spewing hate wrote on Oct 24, 2008 5:52 AM:

" Straight from Obahmas own books! I guess its only ok if your a black racist? Wheres your precious CNN on this issue? Wake up people hes not who you think!
__________________________________________________________

From Dreams of My Father: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'

From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'

From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'

From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'

From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'

And FINALLY the Most Damning one of ALL of them!!!

From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.' "

to Mahiun wrote on Oct 24, 2008 4:56 AM:

" admit it while you're at it. You can't wait to sample the chocolat fudge and shudder at the prospect of hershey squirts if McCain wins. Keep cheering Barrack on - he will need a few guide dogs in every city to satisfy his need for companionship. McCain would be satisfied with a hunting trip if he could get his gun above shoulder level. "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 24, 2008 1:02 AM:

" Hey, I'd be right there with the Cheez Whiz, too, except that it really makes me--- Well, let's just say you don't want to be behind me or downwind, after I've had a bunch of Cheez Whiz....

But hey, this is totally cool: I didn't even know I knew Braille! When did I learn it? Was it when I did that community theatre stint of The Miracle Worker (no, I did NOT play Helen Keller, so there, smartypants --- I played the guide dog!) ?

One of the great things about being a biker type and wearing leather most of the time is that you never have to worry about putting on a "clean" version, because it never has to go in the washing machine, anyway! :-)

We now resume our regularly scheduled bickering, political posturing, and character assassination, already in progress....... "

Golden Mean wrote on Oct 24, 2008 12:01 AM:

" I'm so absolutely board with talking about people's sexuality.

But on the other hand, I have just about had it with Mahiun and his culinary exploits. Guess what I had for dinner, blah blah blah

Why the moderators haven't stepped in to stop Mahiun's unsaid subliminal verbal attacks as well as those in brail randomly placed on hand rails and stop signs all around town is absolutely baffling.

Let's just get this out into the open why don't we? You think that you're better than me, don't you. Why won't you just say it already? Just because I enjoy pressurized canned pseudo dairy products that don't require refrigeration doesn't make me a bad person. Ok, Ok, I admit it. I like Cheese Whiz. I like it a lot.

There I said it.

Now if you would excuse me, I need to put on a clean undershirt. "

fun gal wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:06 PM:

" Sorry, I'm the one that crossed the (moderator) line.

To To fun Gal: I guess it was the way the "original" post was typed (the use of capital words, italics and exclamation points) The retyped post doesn't look the same as the original

Again, sorry "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:06 PM:

" Boy, you step away for a little while to go have dinner, and you apparently miss out on a whole smackdown! Evidently, I was really insulted somewhere along the line, but I guess what I don't know won't hurt me (and dinner was delicious: chipotle-sauced flank steak -- yum!)...

So, back to the business at hand. It's unfortunate that some voters are so shallow and focused on a single issue that they would assume everyone else to be equally shallow and single-minded. But I can assure anybody who's interested (and I can't imagine there could be more than 2 or 3), that my sexual orientation and/or marital status have nothing to do with my choice of presidential candidate.

I look at the whole package, not just a single issue. As a taxpayer bumping up against the $250K cutover point, I figure I will probably not see a tax increase under Obama's plan --- but if I cross the $250K line for the year and do end up paying slightly more in taxes, well, I'm okay with that if it helps ease the burden for somebody else. I think Obama's healthcare plan makes more sense than McCain's; I don't like the idea of healthcare benefits being taxed for the first time ever, as McCain proposes. I am really queasy at the idea of being in Iraq for......well, nobody really knows, because McCain seems comfortable with us being there forever. I'm not. I don't equate talking to your enemies with appeasing your enemies; I equate with doing what you can to avoid more unnecessary loss of American lives. I am extremely uncomfortable with the idea of the oldest President ever being sworn in, and the very real possibility of ending up with an ill-informed, ill-prepared religious zealot, found guilty of ethical misconduct, who thinks only small-town America is "real", taking his place. And so on, and so on....

Same-sex marriage as a federal issue? Hadn't really thought about it much, frankly. It'll end up there eventually, anyway, but possibly not within my lifetime --- I'm not a young man. And even if that were a driving issue for me, I wouldn't look to Obama for it; he's already on record as opposing same-sex marriage. And sadly, at the moment there's nobody clamouring to put a ring on my finger (although I did go to a wedding over the weekend that was a whole lotta fun: don't know when I've heard squirrels and Santa Claus mentioned as part of a wedding ceremony before).

Sorry, if you're going to demonize me and have it stick, you'll have to do better than that! "

Peter wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:58 PM:

" We all know Obama has raised far more cash than McCain. You have to have a sense of humor about this stuff.

From "The Onion"

Headline: Obama Purchases Ad Apace on Side of McCain's Bus

ht tp://w ww.theonion.co m/content/from_print/obama_purchases_ad_space_on "

To fun gal wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:57 PM:

" Can you please explain to me how you can get a tone out of a post and I don't mean that bad.....?
That is what is wrong with this new moderator system.
They think they can FEEL the emotions of someones post in a post,,,sad but true. "

fun gal wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:39 PM:

" Sorry, it sounded like an attack to me, it wasn't the post as much as the "tone". I know Mahiun is ok with stuff but I guess the "na, na, na, na, na, stuf just pi%%'s me off "

what happened to wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:15 PM:

" the comment by "Episcopalians live next to an idiot"?
He won the chimpy BigEars (tm) award for the most banal and feculent post of the day. His reward? chanting Ohhh..baaa...mahhh 300X and something I can't remember. The post wasn't up too long. "

Reposting wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:13 PM:

" Mahiun why don't you tell the truth about why you want Obama elected.?
I will tell it for you, It is your only hope of getting gay marrage as a federal law.

Moderator: Please don't delete truthful posts since Mahiun is out of the closet. "

To fun gal wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:06 PM:

" Why are you calling for the moderator when there was nothing said that was deragatory.
Mahiun is out of the closet and has professed his homosexuality more than once in the cda press comments. "

fun gal wrote on Oct 23, 2008 6:48 PM:

" MODERATER!!! "

To I live next to Episcopalians wrote on Oct 23, 2008 6:23 PM:

" You don't take him serious is a laugh and a half.
I have no doubt he makes a couple hundred thousand a year more than you.
OH yeah he works for a living and doesn't wait for hand outs like you.
You might try working for a living some time. "

I live next to Episcopalians wrote on Oct 23, 2008 6:13 PM:

" Hannity is a dizzying combination of stupid, avarice, and republican water carrier. Nobody who can fog a mirror takes this moron seriously. "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 23, 2008 6:11 PM:

" Once again my friend, you are an incredible hypocrite.

Because.....? (BTW, none of my friends has ever accused me of being a hypocrite --- they usually accuse me of being brutally blunt and a little too tactlessly honest for their taste. And they spell my name right!) "

to Mahium... wrote on Oct 23, 2008 5:35 PM:

" Once again my friend, you are an incredible hypocrite. "

on hatred wrote on Oct 23, 2008 3:52 PM:

" hatred is culturally relevant. In Africa, it is acceptable to mutilate yourself for tribal identification and enhanced appearance. In America, we use botox to smooth wrinkles and nip tucks to take away the bulge. In america, it is not acceptable to scar your victim. In Africa where Obama was born and some Islamic countries, maiming is practiced. Maybe carving backwards 'B' in a rivals face is standing orders for some campaign supporters. "

Thanks 4 the link wrote on Oct 23, 2008 2:48 PM:

" Here's the pic of the McCain supporter who beat up and mutilated. You can tell it was a obama supporter because the 'B' was carved backwards.
ht tp://w ww.drudgereport.c om/ "

Liberals hate whitey wrote on Oct 23, 2008 1:36 PM:

" Drudge is reporting that a female McCain supporter was attacked in Philadelphia by some Obama goons and a 'B' was carved in her face.
Apparently, when he unleashed his supporters to 'get in their face" he didn't realize they would take it literally. This portends to be the ugliest final 2 weeks in American political history- thanks to Mr. Obama.
ht tp://michellemalkin.co m/2008/09/19/obama-releases-his-in-your-face-hounds/ "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 23, 2008 1:12 PM:

" This is just another attempt of the media and liberals to tear down Palin.
Seems to me she's doing a pretty good job of that on her own --- she doesn't need anybody else's help. And it's not the "liberals" (would somebody please explain to me exactly what that term is supposed to mean besides "someone with whom I disagree politically, and whom I have chosen to demonize"?) who are really up in arms about it, anyway --- it's the Republican donors who didn't know they were buying Neiman-Marcus Barbie, but who thought that they were contributing toward much more legitimate campaign expenses.

We have a candidate that is nothing short if [sic] a liar...
That's quite a charge. You can positively, undeniably, incontrovertibly prove it, of course? With something besides innuendo, rumour, jumping to conclusions, or "just knowing in your heart that it's true"? Because of course, you wouldn't ever stoop so low as to smear someone's reputation without positive proof, especially when you're complaining about the same thing; you would never lower yourself to that sort of thing, I'm sure.

And being the cautious and careful sort that I'm sure you are, you would never hurl charges like that without absolute proof, because if you turned out to be wrong, that would make you.........nothing short of a liar. So of course you absolutely have airtight proof that will hold up in any court of law anywhere, and you'll be providing us all the necessary links to vet it for ourselves --- when can we expect to see those links?

Where is the media when it comes to Obama's real estate deal with convicted felon Tony Rezko?
Where were they? Pretty much all over it like a cheap suit --- where were you?! And it wasn't with Tony Rezko anyway, it was with his wife. They all concluded there just wasn't any story there --- Rezko may have been shady, but apparently the deal wasn't. "

to Mahium... wrote on Oct 23, 2008 12:37 PM:

" This is just another attempt of the media and liberals to tear down Palin. It's actually unbelievable. We have a candidate that is nothing short if a liar regarding just about every personal connection he has had and the media is worried about her wardrobe. Where is the media when it comes to Obama's real estate deal with convicted felon Tony Rezko? "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 23, 2008 12:01 PM:

" Now they are criticizing Palin for her wardrobe.

No, they're not. They're criticizing the cost of Palin's wardrobe, makeup, and stylist --- which was borne by the RNC. They're wondering how anybody can burn through $150,000 worth of clothing and makeup in only a couple of months? They're raising eyebrows at the RNC using donor-provided money to play dress-up.

No talk about the cost of Obama's suits...
If he paid for them himself, then the cost is none of your business. If the DNC paid for them, then we might have a legitimate question here.

...Michelle's clothes...
See above.

...or Biden's hair plugs.
I think it's a pretty safe bet that the DNC did not pay for those. So what's the problem here? "

the media has to go... wrote on Oct 23, 2008 11:00 AM:

" Now they are criticizing Palin for her wardrobe. No talk about the cost of Obama's suits, Michelle's clothes or Biden's hair plugs. One of the biggest crisis we face in this nation is a media that is so biased and so frivolous. The media seriously contributes to the dumbing down of America. Where was the media when our financial system was unraveling? Us Americans are going to need to find a source of information on what is going on in Washington DC to keep an eye on those crooks. We can't rely on the newspaper or TV to tell us the truth. "

Black value system wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:51 AM:

" This information is from the black trinity church

Beginning in 1982, an annual Black Value System - Educational Scholarship in the name of Dr. Byrd was instituted. The first recipient of the Dr. Manford Byrd Award, which is given annually to the man or woman who best exemplifies the Black Value System, was our brother, Dr. Manford Byrd.

These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They consist of the following concepts:

Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Matthew 22:37

Commitment to God. "The God of our weary years" will give us the strength to give up prayerful passivism and become Black Christian Activists, soldiers for Black freedom and the dignity of all humankind.

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If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother [or his sister], he is a liar; for he that loveth not his brother or sister whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? I John 4:20

Commitment to the Black Community. The highest level of achievement for any Black person must be a contribution of strength and continuity of the Black Community.

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And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. Deuteronomy 6:6-8

Commitment to the Black Family. The Black family circle must generate strength, stability and love, despite the uncertainty of externals, because these characteristics are required if the developing person is to withstand warping by our racist competitive society. Those Blacks who are blessed with membership in a strong family unit must reach out and expand that blessing to the less fortunate.

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Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul and with all thy mind. Matthew 22:37

Dedication to the Pursuit of Education. We must forswear anti-intellectualism. Continued survival demands that each Black person be developed to the utmost of his/her mental potential despite the inadequacies of the formal education process. Real education fosters understanding of ourselves as well as every aspect of our environment. Also, it develops within us the ability to fashion concepts and tools for better utilization of our resources, and more effective solutions to our problems. Since the majority of Blacks have been denied such learning, Black Education must include elements that produce high school graduates with marketable skills, a trade or qualifications for apprenticeships, or proper preparation for college. Basic education for all Blacks should include Mathematics, Science, Logic, General Semantics, Participative Politics, Economics and Finance, and the Care and Nurture of Black minds.

Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do [it] with thy might; for [there is] no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. Ecclesiastes 9:10

Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence. To the extent that we individually reach for, even strain for excellence, we increase, geometrically, the value and resourcefulness of the Black Community. We must recognize the relativity of ones best; this years best can be bettered next year. Such is the language of growth and development. We must seek to excel in every endeavor.

Adherence to the Black Work Ethic. "It is becoming harder to find qualified people to work in Chicago." Whether this is true or not, it represents one of the many reasons given by businesses and industries for deserting the Chicago area. We must realize that a location with good facilities, adequate transportation and a reputation for producing skilled workers will attract industry. We are in competition with other cities, states and nations for jobs. High productivity must be a goal of the Black workforce.

To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perishes, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ. I Peter 1:4-7

Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect. To accomplish anything worthwhile requires self-discipline. We must be a community of self-disciplined persons if we are to actualize and utilize our own human resources, instead of perpetually submitting to exploitation by others. Self-discipline, coupled with a respect for self, will enable each of us to be an instrument of Black Progress and a model for Black Youth. "

Hey wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:49 AM:

" What happened to Chimpy BigEars? I hang on his every baritone word and I'm voting for him even if he seduced a busload of dwarf nuns and stole all the money from the tesh foundation. He Be dee man. No wat I'm sayin? "

McCain will do wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:54 AM:

" Great Points, NObama! You Ron Paul advocates that are still holding on "for the principle of the thing" had better rethink your position and look at what we may end up with in the White House. Do your research and get out and VOTE!! This is serious stuff. "

to Fun Gal wrote on Oct 22, 2008 11:15 PM:

" the jerks that lurk and slink beyond the shadows control all. They do it through social engineering that begins in pre-school. "

Peter wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:53 PM:

" Has anyone ever asked McCain what he thinks about ACORN?

"What makes America special is whats in this room tonight. Thats what makes America special." John McCain February 2006 as a Keynote speaker at an ACORN conference. Note - He got a standing applause from ACORN.

The hipocrisy is just delicious! "

fun gal wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:50 PM:

" The Media does what they're told Anita. They don't "cover up" anything ON THEIR OWN.. Hmmmm who controls the MSM? That answers ALOT.

ps: Obama nor McCain control MSM "

Puzzled wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:47 PM:

" "This website provides the litigation records for Berg vs Obama. Check the latest on October 22. (remove the spaces in the link)

http:// dockets.justia. com/docket/court-paedce/case_no-2:2008cv04083/case_id-281573/" "

NOBama wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:46 PM:

" Let me see.
Why I am voting for McCain/Palin?
NOT OBAMA
1. Rev Wright
2. Bill Ayers
3. Killing unborn children
4. Socialisic programs
5. Questionable past
6. Robin Hood story-rob from the rich to give to the poor?
7. Gay Marriage
8. Radical Islamic ties
9. No international experience
10. Check out obamacrimes dotcom. It looks like he wasn't even born in the USA!
11. Democrat majority House & Senate over the past 4 years, not BUSH, has caused many of our
current economic problems. Can you imagine adding a Demo President???
Hold on to your pocket books, free speech, right to bear arms, and any thought of retirement!

VOTE McCain. Save the USA! "

Anita wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:46 PM:

" Fun Gal wrote:
" Anita, in America you are "innocent until proven guilty"
Obama doesn't have to prove his "innocence". He needs to be proven guilty. Why doesn't the Attorney General get a court order to the Vital Statistics Bureau in Hawaii??
Why aren't High Government Officials involved. Why is it civil, not criminal? Wouldn't some of Bush's connection's want this out so McCain can have the election?

I don't have the answers for you. Here's some questions of my own. Why won't Obama produce his birth certificate? Why won't he produce his college records? Why doesn't he produce the accounts to answer the question of where the foreign money came from for his campaign, which by the way is not legal by the rules?

It's so obvious that the MSM is doing a huge coverup of this guy, which is another question in itself. "

Mike D. wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:39 PM:

" The economy is in the the tank. The dow dropped anothe 500 points, productivity is down, job losses are up, and the price of goods and services keep rising and the US still is in the grip of a two front war. That is why illegal immigration, gay marraige, evolution/creation, and other culture issue based subjects are being ignored. If all was well then you can bet that these issues would be front and center. Immigration I understand. It is a serious issue, but the other subjects would be brought up because people are simply stupid. "

fun gal wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:28 PM:

" They aren't speaking of it Sharon because the big coporate fat cats like cheap slave labor. And what the fat cats want, the politicians deliver. The fat cats actually run the country "

Vote McCain wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:25 PM:

" He likes oatmeal! "

Sharon wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:24 PM:

" Why isn't the MSM or either candidates speaking of illegal immigration? They sure managed to shut that issue up didn't they.

Yet in several states the incumbents and challengers are being hammered. "

fun gal wrote on Oct 22, 2008 6:57 PM:

" Anita, in America you are "innocent until proven guilty"
Obama doesn't have to prove his "innocence". He needs to be proven guilty. Why doesn't the Attorney General get a court order to the Vital Statistics Bureau in Hawaii??
Why aren't High Government Officials involved. Why is it civil, not criminal? Wouldn't some of Bush's connection's want this out so McCain can have the election?

to wrote: Why didn't the press go after Bill Clinton when he lied to a grand jury about getting it on with Monica?? The press did go after him...His impeachment hearings were on TV 24/7

I'm still waiting to hear from you Niles "

Read it and weep wrote on Oct 22, 2008 6:37 PM:

" Watch Mahiun go crazy over this one even though it points out factcheck is on Obama's side due to fraud.

ht tp://hillbuzz.wordpress.c om/2008/10/11/the-question-of-the-birth-certificate/ "

wrote on Oct 22, 2008 6:28 PM:

" Well in Americia if you are a lib you have Judges and the press on your side. Obama and the lib's feel like they have to answer to no one. This is the type of person all the lib's want running Americia. Obama is a scum bag, all the press and judges that surround him are scum bags. Why didn't the press go after Bill Clinton when he lied to a grand jury about getting it on with Monica?? The Lib's are no more than a leach and this great hope Obama is at the top of the list. This will be the man that is running America in the ground in two weeks.

Wake folks "

Anita wrote on Oct 22, 2008 6:04 PM:

" Fun Gal, I share your frustration. I would like to know, too. We know that these motions are all legitimate filings, yet the judge is stalling on making a ruling. Why doesn't the news pick it up? I have heards a couple of comments about this. One, they may be afraid of civil unrest, and another is an October surprise. I also read where another private citizen has filed a case to get Obama to produce the documents of his birth, school records, and school thesis. If he has nothing to hide, why doesn't he just produce the documents. That's the question. "

fun gal wrote on Oct 22, 2008 5:41 PM:

" My original post re:"fake birth certificate" Why don't any of you answer these questions?????? My questions are why isn't this all over the news? Why hasn't John McCain responded? Why hasn't GOP pushed this?
Why is it a civil lawsuit and not criminal. Why haven't top government officials pursued this? Why is it being done by private citizens? If Obama is not "legal" to run for president, why hasn't the attorney general stepped in? " "

Sharon and Niles wrote on Oct 22, 2008 5:41 PM:

" Need to consider the prosperous farmer. By investing a little of his grain in his cows, he ends up with buckets of sweet milk and choice streaks. Speaking as someone who is a card carrying member of the have-mores, and unlike those who bought into the lie that wealth trickles down, let me clue you in on a little secret-- real wealth bubbles up. Look at Obama's tax plan as an "investment" because those on the bottom, for whatever reason, always seem to spend all their money. I guess that's why they always seem to remain there. Healthy and happy people makes us all richer and America a better place, Remember, a rising tide always lifts boats from the bottom. "

an unusual view wrote on Oct 22, 2008 5:12 PM:

" "BTW I'm Voting For Mccain / Palin"

check it out on youtube "

Sharon wrote on Oct 22, 2008 3:53 PM:

" I think maybe we have a few right here that believe in sharing the wealth of the people who work hard so they can sit around and pick up the free welfare check or recieve the tax refund, even though they didn't turn a lick to earn it.

No better than the illegals who expect a free ride, health care, education etc.

Its called Socialism, people who are too lazy to take personal responsibilty for them selfs and all the children they keep having, that they can not afford but expect you and I to pay for.

Yes sounds like we have a quite a few moving in and expecting freebee's in CDA. "

to no one in particular wrote on Oct 22, 2008 3:40 PM:

" Joe Corsi is a partisan hack and anyone that listens to him is severely brain damaged. "

Thou shal not wrote on Oct 22, 2008 3:32 PM:

" Question " The One" "

Its easy wrote on Oct 22, 2008 3:30 PM:

" Check I&N records for Obama's entry into the US from Indonesia to attend shcoll in Hawaii. I understand he entered with an Indonesian passport. the same I&N record should indicate place of birth...at leaset claimed...I understand further that he was awarded scholarships available only to students of African birth. Either these records exist or they don't...either way answeres the question. "

Niles wrote on Oct 22, 2008 3:29 PM:

" TO: Hey Niles.... Obama went to Joes neighborhood. Obama spotted Joe and sought Joe out and took the media that Obama brought himself. There was no set-up or Joe the plumber gotcha game.

So, I don't care if Joe was a plumber or a hooker he has the same dreams many do in America. He knows he can work hard and be successful.

But not in Obama's America. Those who take risks and work hard to succeed get to contribute the fruit of their labor to other people who the gov't thinks should have their income. Obama's tax plan according to the Wall Street Journal is not a tax break for 45 million Americans. You have to pay taxes to get a break and under Comrade Obama 45 million will not pay any taxes, but they will still get checks. Those are not tax refunds. Those are entitlement welfare checks taken directly from the sweating brow of Joe the Plumber.

So, if Joe put a pipe in the ground for the 1st time last week and has yet to obtain his license or join any union he can still call himself 2 things. He is a plumber and he is an American citizen. He is free to speak his mind and have his dreams. And the Democratic party has ridiculed him for being free and honest simply because his honesty exposed Comrade Obama for the socialist he truly is. "

Careful Anita wrote on Oct 22, 2008 3:27 PM:

" You dont want to take "The One's" name in vain. "

Anita wrote on Oct 22, 2008 3:21 PM:

" Joe the plumber is not the only one bashed by Obama. Obama made the remark to a crowd in PA, I think it was, about "bitter people who cling to guns and religion." This man's arrogancy just doesn't quit. "

Anita wrote on Oct 22, 2008 3:02 PM:

" According to Jerome Corsi, Odinga is Obama's cousin and Obama donated over $800,000 to Odinga's campaign. Corsi, who just returned from Kenya, says he now has documentation, including emails, to prove everything he has said about Obama in his book. Should be interesting when all this comes out. "

Joe the Plumber wrote on Oct 22, 2008 2:55 PM:

" Poor ole JOE asked a hard question and Obama gave an honest answer then the DNC and the media attacked---It was ---for lack of a better term ----Lame. "

Hey Niles wrote on Oct 22, 2008 2:51 PM:

" Joe the Plumber is an unlicensed fraud that owes back taxes and probably couldn't pass a background check, and certainly not someone you would want babysitting your kids. You could say he is a poster child of everything wrong with today's Republican party. "

Vote Obama wrote on Oct 22, 2008 2:39 PM:

" And I shall be funny to all. "

fun gal wrote on Oct 22, 2008 2:32 PM:

" to Vote Obama: You might like another sight. You're not funny. The Haunted house sight is havin' some fun, you'll like it there. "

Vote Obama wrote on Oct 22, 2008 2:25 PM:

" He is "THE ONE" that is all you need to know. "

fun gal wrote on Oct 22, 2008 2:23 PM:

" Can anyone answer my questions with valid answers??? "

to fun gal wrote on Oct 22, 2008 2:14 PM:

" why hasn't the attorney general stepped in?"

--- Uh, because it's all lies being tossed about desperate right wingers panicking in advance of the election? "

Vote Obama wrote on Oct 22, 2008 2:13 PM:

" And all questions shall be answered. "

fun gal wrote on Oct 22, 2008 2:11 PM:

" My questions are why isn't this all over the news? Why hasn't John McCain responded? Why hasn't GOP pushed this?
Why is it a civil lawsuit and not criminal. Why haven't top government officials pursued this? Why is it being done by private citizens? If Obama is not "legal" to run for president, why hasn't the attorney general stepped in? "

Niles wrote on Oct 22, 2008 2:07 PM:

" Mahiun,

The 'special investigator' Obama and the DNC asked the Department of Justice to deploy was to investigate the GOP. They asked the DOJ to stop the GP from making "specious statements about ACORN". Instead of working to help voter registration fraud inquiries they want them to stop. Why didn't Obama insist that the Ohio state Atty General investigate the 200,000 registered voters whose information fails to match federal records? ACORN is Obama's baby. Again, it is another good idea if you do it right. But there has to be safe guards and ACORN does not have those in place. Reprtedly the voter fraud in Ohio fairly blatant.

Odinga and Obama are not related. Odinga tried to use that but it was shown to be false by their common tribes people. And yessir Odinga was heavily endorsed by the Muslims in his country. In fact Kaddafi contributed much to his campaign. The tribe Odinga and Obama's family hail from are mostly Muslim. Obama's grandfather, Hussein was a devout Muslim. Obama senior was not a devout Muslim but was buried one.

Does it matter that our Obama knowingly supported and sponsored a devout socialist? Ask Joe the Plumber. "

Sharon . wrote on Oct 22, 2008 2:04 PM:

" Exactly, just present the Judge with what he asked you for....don't just slap some thing up on the internet....but as usual again today they filed to have it dismissed.

Is this how you would handle an order from a Judge?...tell him go look it up on the internet if you want it...no I don't think you or I would get away with it, we would now be in jail "

to Poli-sci spud child wrote on Oct 22, 2008 11:28 AM:

" The Pro Obama blather requires a comment.
Answer this: if all of these internet links are false, why doesn't Obama just easily clear the allegations up by producing his original birth certificate, his college records, his medical records, his illegal drug dealer's name which he referred to in his books, his source of funding for his private school education, his published works from college and the legal profession, and his exact relationship with convicted terrorists william Ayers and his wife? McCain has made all of his private and personal info available, Obama should do the same. It will come out later one way or the other. If Obama is elected and isn't legally able to be inaugurated, there will be rioting in the primarily Black cities in the country. Doesn't he owe the American public this? "

Yikes wrote on Oct 22, 2008 11:12 AM:

" "We are in jeopardy as long as we have God-hating, non-accountable, wrong-thinkers in our seats of governance, whether local, state, or national. "......

RadRevD, statements like this is why more and more people are being awakened to the snake oil that passes for today's Christianity. The real jeopardy comes from people-hating professed "Christians", who hold themselves accountable(in bondage) to an Old Testament world view, a view condemned by the very teachings of Christ. Remember, it was the followers of this pernicious doctrine that conspired in his crucifixion and those that continue in those doctrines will end up crucifying us all should they ever assume power in this nation. "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 22, 2008 11:03 AM:

" But wait, Obama and the DNC are trying to stop investigations into potential voter fraud.
Huh??!!? Is that one of those "parallel universe" things or something? Five days ago, the Obama campaign and the DNC requested a special prosecutor for the investigation. That hardly seems like "trying to stop investigations".

Why was Obama anywhere near Odinga?
I honestly don't know. I don't claim to understand Kenyan politics. But I do know that Obama and Odinga are both historical/familial members of the same extended clan or tribe, which may be why Obama met him in the first place. I truly don't know, do you?

Are you saying that Odinga is not a socialist?
I don't recall saying, one way or the other. Why is it relevant?

But speaking of bad associations, you may be interested to know that al-Qaeda has now "endorsed" John McCain as their preferred candidate. To paraphrase Senator McCain's remarks, made last April, concerning Hamas's stated preference for Obama, "If Senator [McCain] is favored by [al Qaeda], I think people can make judgments accordingly..." (As if either candidate actually sought the endorsement of either group...)

The actual statement, from an al-Qaeda Web site, talks of continuing the war in Iraq and says, ""This requires presence of an impetuous American leader such as McCain, who pledged to continue the war till the last American soldier. Then, al-Qaida will have to support McCain in the coming elections so that he continues the failing march of his predecessor, Bush."

Just thought you might want to know.... "

Niles wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:28 AM:

" So Mahiun since we have this recent history of violence following a contested election I KNOW that Obama would support any effort to make certain that there is NO voter fraud in our up coming election. But wait, Obama and the DNC are trying to stop investigations into potential voter fraud.

Why was Obama anywhere near Odinga? Should we riot if voter fraud is suspected like Obama's close friends? Are you saying that Odinga is not a socialist?

Well, it is Okay. Obama can just wave his hand and this bad association will be set aside too. How many apologies does that make now, 4 or 5 really bad ones? No problems there. I'm sure Obama has finally learned his lesson.

You interested in a bridge? I've got a great deal on this one in Brooklyn. It was only used once or twice by an old lady and is good as new. Just believe me, have complete faith in my honesty and send me a check for $10,000.00. (You'll need to pick up the bridge yourself. Just tell them Niles sent you). "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:12 AM:

" Niles, you are once again playing a bit fast and loose with the history here, drawing unwarranted conclusions from some pretty flimsy evidence.

It is true that there were riots in Kenya, but they were provoked by a widespread belief that the elections had been rigged and stolen, an assertion independently corroborated by outside observers including reporters from the UK, Australia, Germany, and elsewhere --- they all reported that, to all appearances, the election had in fact been rigged. Even the UN reported concern over widespread election irregularities.

I can find no credible evidence to support the assertion that Christians were targeted or were disproportionately attacked. Riots are not known for their systematic and organized action, and these were no exception --- all news reports speak of the riots simply mowing down anything in their path, with no consideration for origin or ownership. That would certainly be much more typical of a riot. Again, it is true that Christian churches were included in the path of destruction, and there were casualties, but there is very little to indicate that they were targeted specifically for being Christian.

Nor is there anything more than unfounded speculation to back up the assertion that Odinga intended to make Islam the state religion. What he did do is pledge to investigate the plight of forcibly relocated Muslims (many of whom have been exiled to neighbouring countries). It would be the height of foolishness to attempt to impose Islam on a country that is 80% Christian; he simply promised to look into the plight of the Muslim minority in the country, as they are often the victims of racism and bigotry. In exchange, he received a pledge of support from an organization representing the Muslim minority. "

RadRevD wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:10 AM:

" to Who Cares...

EXACTLY! America will be a third rate nation that will beg for food and unlivable serial work assignments. A days wages will buy but a days food. Many already accept that in North Idaho.

We are definitely divided along party lines with the exception of a few including myself. Not one of the posters wants to discuss the religious or bloodline backgrounds of these candidates. You guys and gals do not want your cages rattled! You want to believe a mistake made on November 4th can be corrected in four years. However you vote...it will be NO mistake.

The names on the ballot are not the ones you need to be concerned with! It is the power players who slink behind the shadows. They are manipulating American governance at all levels, not just in DC. They believe they can spend their way out of a potential recession if they can print enough money or make their institution 'fail proof' in that the government will have to bail them out.

I am not alone in my assessment of the times. Credit is tightening and bankers will be reluctant to extend a credit line to industries due to diminished orders for durable goods. The recent endorsement by the Fed Chair for another economic stimulus (read transfer of wealth) should send a shiver down your spine if you have investments. How much currency can we print before it isn't worth the paper it is printed on?

The Left's problem with people like Hannity is the truth that he reveals. Truth messes with their ideology. Americans have no mentality for such a concept. We have never known domination by another nation or empire. We will soon be dominated economically. Our political system will dissolve into regional governance. Left-leaners who look forward to retirement with a lucrative government pension or guaranteed retirement better reevaluate their allegiances. We are in jeopardy as long as we have God-hating, non-accountable, wrong-thinkers in our seats of governance, whether local, state, or national. "

To Dawn and Niles wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:52 AM:

" Thanks for the information, Dawn. And the follow up, Niles. Voters, think about it....this isn't negative campaigning, or bashing a candidate....it is speaking the truth. Just think how we will all feel when this kind of thing comes out AFTER the election...we will wonder and be horrified that we weren't told. "

Niles wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:06 AM:

" You're right Dawn. Obama campaigned for Odinga. Obama went to Kenya and went on the campaign trail with Odinga. On Odinga's roster of campaign contributors is a listing for "friends of Obama" who contributed nearly $1,000,000.00 to his campaign. Do you know who else contributed to Odinga's campaign? Kaddafi also agreed with Obama, or is that the other way around. Odinga's son's name is Fidel named after Castro.

Well the Kenya elections were last December and Odinga lost. But his followers rioted, murdering, burning and looting. Old and young, men and women..all of them Christians. Why Christians? Well because Odinga is a Muslim and intended to make Islam the official religion of Kenya. Because of the violence they made a gov't position for Odinga.

Railin Odinga, yet another apology from Obama. He didn't know he was a bad man, right. "

Dawn Reagan wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:55 AM:

" I don't think it's hateful to want proof of citizenship for someone vying for president. The questionable document he provided only online and suspiciously late at that, doesn't excuse him from failing to respond in court when sued to compel him to provide an authentic birth certificate. This is a reasonable request since natural born citizenship is a basic requirement for the US presidency. I think it's hateful for Obama to have traveled to Kenya in 2006 to campaign for Raila Odinga whose installation imposed riots causing the destruction or damage of more than 600 Christian churches in already fragile Kenya. I think it's wrong for Obama to conceal such from the American people. No one is acting as Obamas judge by calling right, right and wrong, wrong. Judging him would mean that someone is claiming to know Obamas heart-intensions and the eventual consequences for such. Recognizing and evaluating Obamas actions and the company he keeps, including Communist Odinga and once domestic terrorist and fugitive Ayers, is called discernment. We are called to discern people by their fruit. "

Hey wrote on Oct 21, 2008 10:19 PM:

" What happened to Chimpy BigEars? "

Who Cares. wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:17 PM:

" Why are you all worrying about Obama's birth place? Obama will be the next president. In four years after he and the other lib's take down Americia, there will be no more obama or lib's.

May God help us all!!! "

Polisci Major U of I wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:06 PM:

" If you hate someone enough you will believe in anything that helps you reinforce a preconceived notion you have towards that individual. As evidence from this thread. Notice that those who hate Mr Obama are not talking about the issues. They are grasping at straws with second and third hand Internet links for their facts regarding his character. Obamacrimes, World Daily Net, News Max, and Hannity are all regurgitating identical talking points none of which can be proven and have been refuted. None of which is sticking because the majority of Americans know better. But, hey first hand information sites like factcheck (Annenberg is a Republican based nonprofit), and AP, BBC, and Reuters have sited first hand sources like the authenticated document in question. Fox even retracted and apologized for running the story on the Indonesian school that Obama went to. But, none of that is good enough because you hold Obama to a higher standard of scrutiny based on shear contempt you have for him. On any of these threads you read on the election you see the same tired old second/third hand source from right wing blogs. The lawsuit that Mahuin and Anita keep talking about will get thrown out. Yet, even though that should put the issue to rest it still will not be good enough for the wingnuts. "

toothless in ID wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:04 PM:

" Yeah love that Sal. Kind of reminds me of all the idabillies on these blogs rooting for McCain. "

Anita wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:42 PM:

" To Must listen To:

That was great. It amazes me how many people are going to vote without even knowing basic information about the candidates. "

to Hard truths wrote on Oct 21, 2008 6:58 PM:

" speaking of vermin....what a low-life thing to say about courageous and unselfish veterans, POW/MIA's, that fought and died for this country....when you say it about one, you say it about all....you need a reality check....people like you make me want us to go back to the days of the draft-you should be the first on the list to have to go.

Moderator, do us all a favor and don't allow such assanine posts....oh but then that is one of the freedoms our veterans fight for, isn't it....maybe you otta say thanks, hard truths. "

to Mahiun... wrote on Oct 21, 2008 6:52 PM:

" Mahiun said re: Berg...
He is hardly the pure-as-the-driven-snow, beyond-reproach, interested-only-in-the-truth jurist he might prefer you to believe; he has a history of sleazy tactics and sloppy legal work --- the sort that gives them all a bad name, in short."

I find it interesting that you can judge Berg's legal career based on that one case. I see a pattern here from the liberals. If you don't like the message, shoot the messenger. Just like you did re: Joe the Plumber". Interesting that Berg would be unqualified to practice law for mishandling one case but yet Obama is qualified to practice politics with 130 "present" votes in his short career in Illinois politics. I'd call that malpractice too. "

Actually wrote on Oct 21, 2008 6:45 PM:

" I believe he entered the country on a student visa from Indonesia and I believe he recieved certain scholarships based on African citizenship but, even that may not disprove his US citizenship and, if it did, Hannity would have secured the information by now. You know Lynn, "Hatred" can be scurilous attacks against an honest woman running for vice president. It can certainly be defined as throwing a bomb at the Pentagon or torching someones home with the clear intent of harming the residents. I know "treason" is defined as attempting to overthrow the government by force and I know John McCain would never associate with traitors. John McCain would never attend chruch servises for one day where the United States was openly cursed, let alone for two decades. People want to view Obama as, in the words of Colin Powell, a "transitionary figure in American politics" but the truth is, inner city America will still have the highest incidence of aids, ignorance and crime. All of Obama's "community organizing" has changed nothing, in short, he is a failure at his only real attempt to be a leader. How can you be a "transitionary figure" when nothing has changed? I do NOT believe the problems of the inner cities and of minorities are racial or genetic. I believe they are environmental and I believe minority leadership has failed to correct the environment because misery serves their ambitions. Obama will probably be our next president but he got there not through leadershiop but through exploitation. Minorities will still have the poorest schools, highest incidents of crime, disease and depression and he will be president! The contrast will scream to his failures. "

True Idaho wrote on Oct 21, 2008 6:31 PM:

" To:
Must Listen to

I listened to that and I believe that is how 99 percent of the people are that are lib's. It is so funny when they are asked if they are fine with Obama's running mate Sara Palin. All of them thought she was a good choice. These are lib's at their best!!

LMAO "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 21, 2008 6:29 PM:

" Shawn, you're right that it will not go away simply by virtue of Barack Obama becoming President. But I think you have it backward: he would not become President if this hadn't already gone away (except in Philip Berg's mind). Notice that Mr. Berg filed a civil suit, not a criminal action --- if this really rose to the level of treason or anything approaching it, it would have been filed as a criminal action. This is a nuisance lawsuit.

My personal opinion --- and it's only that --- is that Mr. Berg knows full well that this case is without merit. This has all the hallmarks of somebody grandstanding, bound and determined to keep his own name in front of the public. This isn't about Obama at all; this is about Philip Berg making sure that Philip Berg does everything he can to promote Philip Berg and keep the name of PHILIP BERG moderately (in)famous for longer than 15 minutes, if he can manage it. Just in case any of us forgot (like he would ever allow that to happen), that name again is PHILIP BERG. Again, this is just my personal opinion and I may ultimately be proven wrong; I'm not claiming this to be vetted fact. I'm just saying that based on what I've seen so far, this is what it looks like to me...

It's also perhaps worth noting that Mr. Berg has already been fined $10K and severely reprimanded, as well as being sued for malpractice, in another case in which he was held up by the judge as "a blueprint for what not to do when attempting to effectively and honorably perform the duties of the legal profession". (Judge J. Curtis Joyner, Holsworth v. Berg, 2005) He is hardly the pure-as-the-driven-snow, beyond-reproach, interested-only-in-the-truth jurist he might prefer you to believe; he has a history of sleazy tactics and sloppy legal work --- the sort that gives them all a bad name, in short.

Obama has already produced a certified copy of his Hawaii birth certificate, and it has been examined and vetted (with the entire process photographed and the photos posted) more than once. Give it a rest.

Finally, what does supporting Obama have to do with being thrilled with Socialism? And what does China have to do with it? China is a totalitarian Communist state, not a Democratic Socialist state. Even if Obama had anything to do with socialism (and he doesn't), Sweden would probably have been a better analogy. "

Hard Truths wrote on Oct 21, 2008 6:23 PM:

" His mother being a US citizen and unless he entered this world via C section, I reckon he is a "natural" born citizen, unlike that impostor,John McCain, who was born in a third world dump, partly claimed by American fruit companies and later returned to its rightful owners by President Jimmy Carter. "

Shawn Mosqueda wrote on Oct 21, 2008 5:31 PM:

" Mahiun, this issue of Barak Obama not being a "natural born" US citizen is a Constitutional issue. When he becomes president, this will not go away. This will not end well. IF all Obama supporters are so thrilled about Socialism, move to China.

I will be sure to do whatever it takes legally to remove Obama from office. This is an act of TREASON and a direct attack on our Constitution.

However, if Obama does show an authentic birth certificate showing he is a natural born US citizen, then I am fine with the outcome of the election.

obamacrimes dot com "

Libylibybangbang wrote on Oct 21, 2008 4:19 PM:

" The messiah speaks through Obama just ask Louis Farrakhan. "

must listen to... wrote on Oct 21, 2008 4:03 PM:

" I heard the funniest sound bite that was e-mailed to me this week. It is a clip from the Howard Stern show (which I don't listen to) and it absolutely hilarious. You have to listen to it!

Google "Sal in Harlem" and you'll find it. Regardless of who you are voting for, you'll find it pretty frightening. This sound bite is a good argument for some type of IQ testing before allowing people to vote. Anita, I know you'll enjoy it.

Let me know what you think! "

Anita wrote on Oct 21, 2008 3:49 PM:

" Mahiun wrote:
Anita, I absolutely "get it". You didn't read the whole thing carefully enough to see that it was simply a press release and nothing more

Now see, that's exactly what I'm talking about. How do you know I didn't read the entire article, and I didn't say what it was, whether a press release or anything else. I didn't give anyone any advice on how to interpret this, but you seem to want to make a big deal out of this. And I called this an update because it's dated today and is new on Philip Berg's site and it DOES have everything to do with his citizenship. If you're trying to argue your way into making me see Obama the same way you do, you're wasting your time. You insult everyone's intelligence here by not allowing them to read something and think for themselves.

Here's my opinion, and it's strictly my own. Obama is a fraud, and I believe he is a danger to this country. And I didn't come to this conclusion based on Philip Berg's lawsuit, and I didn't come to it overnight. I have listened to his words carefully, researched his history, and I've come to the conclusion that he is a slick talking politician with alterior motives. Without going into the many things I see wrong with his views, I see him as the worst possible choice for President that has come along in decades. "

to Mahiun.... wrote on Oct 21, 2008 3:31 PM:

" It's been a rough couple of days for you here as you are losing your respect and credibility. Only two weeks till the election. I can only hope you candidate loses his charm too! "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 21, 2008 3:15 PM:

" So we're reduced to living in Pleasantville, are we? Okay, whatever --- frankly, my dear, I don't give a 'goodness gracious, dearie me'.
**************************************************
Anita, I absolutely "get it". You didn't read the whole thing carefully enough to see that it was simply a press release and nothing more. Anyone --- anyone! can issue a press release; most of them are justifiably ignored, because by definition they contain only what the releaser wants you to read/hear and believe. They consist mostly of hype; that's what they're design to do. I remember about 8 years ago when the company I was working for sent out a press release trumpeting the triumphant release of our brand-new product and its can't-fail marketing strategy. Six months later, the entire place had been stripped to the walls and they were selling the furniture to try to raise capital during bankruptcy proceedings. Press releases mean nothing.

You did not directly comment on the article, that's true. However, I have to believe that you gave it some sort of credence, saw some sort of significance to it --- else why would you have brought it anyone's attention? You characterized Mr. Berg's press release as an "update on Obama's citizenship", when it is nothing of the kind. While it is possible that I may have incorrectly inferred your stance on this issue, it seems unlikely, given your prior posts. And if I have done so, then I would submit that you have been far more careless than you believe, and should in future take greater care not to inadvertently editorialize.

And you did tell me (and others) to "read this". I don't know what other meaning could be taken from 'Go to obamacrimes to see the entire statement.' "

Anita wrote on Oct 21, 2008 2:21 PM:

" Mahiun,

You're still not getting it. I didn't even comment on this article, so I don't think you can make a judgement on what I think about it, one way or the other. Kind of jumping the gun, aren't you? And I don't recall saying in that post, hey Mahium, read this! "

to Mahuin wrote on Oct 21, 2008 2:21 PM:

" Remember, no post is good if the moderator, in their divine wisdom, is offended. Or, can't read the big words, in your post. "

Moderator wrote on Oct 21, 2008 2:19 PM:

" Mahuin.... Both posts went away for the use of profanity. Yes, even those initialized colorful references count. Repost without the B ig F unny D escription and it will stay. Okay? "

To to FYI wrote on Oct 21, 2008 2:03 PM:

" I have question for you.?
If Osama Obama gets elected how long will it take before we get to watch the re-runs of his assination. "

to FYI wrote on Oct 21, 2008 1:55 PM:

" SO HOW CAN HE POSSIBLY BE COMMANDER IN CHIEF?"

___ Easy. By being elected by a majority of American citizens. You'll see just this in about 2 weeks. Enjoy! "

FYI wrote on Oct 21, 2008 1:53 PM:

" How long did it take Islam and their oil money to find a candidate for President of the United States? As long as it took them to place a senator from Illinois and Minnesota? The same amount of time to create a large Muslim enclave in Detroit? The time it took them to build over 2,000 mosques in America? The same amount of time required to place radical wahabbist clerics in our military and prisons as 'chaplains'?

Install your candidate in an atmosphere of deception, because questioning him on any issue involving Africa or Islam would be seen as ''bigoted racism''; two words too powerful to allow the citizenry to be informed of facts. Allow your candidate to employ several black racist Nation of Islam Louis Farrakhan followers as members of his Illinois Senatorial and campaign staffs.

As an ultimate slap in the face, be blatant in the fact your candidate has ZERO interest in traditional American values and has the most liberal voting record in U.S. Senate history. Why has the American mainstream media clammed up on any negative reporting

WITH THIS RECORD, HE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE CLEARED FOR 'UNCLASSIFIED'. SO HOW
CAN HE POSSIBLY BE COMMANDER IN CHIEF?

Still looking for Change?

You'll find more looking in your couch cushions. "

TO Greenwood wrote on Oct 21, 2008 1:53 PM:

" That was an excellent post and right on the money.
I even watched Bill Clinton on TV a month ago admit he was the one accountable for the low cost housing that was forced on the banks.
Also you are correct that Osama Obamas largest campaign contributor was Freddy and Fannie, Gee go figure how bad the economy will get after this FRAUD Osama Obama gets elected will get.
Watch the stock market crash again right after he gets elected.
The good news is he may not last all four years and will certainly be voted out by these same screaming liberals once they find out what a FRAUD he is. "

Anita wrote on Oct 21, 2008 1:47 PM:

" To Mahiun: Here, read it again. I didn't write this. I only quoted the beginning of the latest artcle on the obamacrimes website. In your haste to protect Obama at all costs, you should really slow down and read things clearly.

" Update about Obama's citizenship from Philip Berg.

Obama & DNC Admit All Allegations of Federal Court Lawsuit - Obamas Not Qualified to be President
Obama Should Immediately Withdraw his Candidacy for President
For Immediate Release: - 10/21/08 - Complete contact details and pdfs of this press release and motions filed by plaintiff Berg today are at the end of this article

Go to obamacrimes to see the entire statement. " "

RadRevD wrote on Oct 21, 2008 1:33 PM:

" Thanks CC - I heard this on EIB network on Sunday or Monday (link and partial transcript below)

I called the Annenberg Policy Center at the number I provided. They did verify a 'live birth certificate for Obama, but the person I spoke to didn't know where the copy originated. I am so relieved that Obama is a live person and not an android, avatar, or some spawn of the devil. It remains suspicious that he delays submitting his birth (native born) certificate to the court in response to Peck's lawsuit. Barry has suspended his campaign to visit his ailing father in Hawaii. While he is there, he needs to visit the records department for several certified raised stamp copies of his original birth certificate stating that he was born in Hawaii, not flown there for a physical!

glennbeck . com/content/articles/article/198/17073/

'October 21, 2008 - 13:20 ET
GLENN: Barack Obama's running mate Joe Biden said yesterday that we're going to be tested with an international crisis in the next six months. He said that they are going to have to make some decisions that are going to seem wrong to the average person at first. Did you read this speech? He said that he was going to -- that the decisions were going to seem wrong to the average American person in the first -- in those six months and he was going to need people just to blindly stand by Barack Obama and Joe Biden and support those decisions because they would know better.

GOVERNOR PALIN: Okay. And -- yeah, Glenn, I think that out of all the bizarre claims and proclamations in this entire campaign of Obama's and Biden's, that has to be the most bizarre talking point that I've heard yet.

GLENN: Do you think you'd get the same kind of treatment if you had said something like that? " "

Sharon wrote on Oct 21, 2008 1:06 PM:

" Correction...Wrote the last comment wrong...he was secretary of Interior from 77 to 91....still didn't make us a democratic state, but I wouldn't want to put the wrong information out there.

Cecil Dale Andrus (born August 25, 1931 in Hood River, Oregon) is a former Secretary of the Interior and Democratic Governor of Idaho. He served a combined 14 years as governor (1971-77 and 1987-95) and as Interior secretary from 1977-81 during the Carter administration. Andrus lost his first gubernatorial election in 1966, but won four (1970, 1974, 1986, 1990) and served as governor longer than anyone else in Idaho history. In public life he was noted for his environmentalist views. "

Sharon wrote on Oct 21, 2008 12:54 PM:

" Cecil Dale Andrus spent a combined 14 years in service part as Secretary of Interior and part as Governor...that does not make us a Demacratic state.

Idaho has always been run by a Majority of Republicans.....as I said before, spend some time and check out the states run by Democrats, it says it all.

For a quick study, start with California it doesn't take long to see the problem with that state...if you need help on which other bankrupt socialist states to search let me know! "

toGreenwood wrote on Oct 21, 2008 12:51 PM:

" A very good and honest post. The huckleberry goons from out of state posting their trollisms here can only hope to be as persuasive as you are. "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 21, 2008 12:40 PM:

" Anita, I can't tell if you are deliberately distorting the facts of the matter, if you're not aware of them, or if you don't understand them. But either way, you are waaaaaaaaay off-base here.

Philip Berg alleges that Obama and the DNC have tacitly "admitted" his allegations, by virtue of not having responded to his request for admission. That does not make it true; it makes it just another of Philip Berg's self-aggrandizing allegations, nothing more and nothing less.

And the fact is that the Obama campaign and the DNC have responded, with a motion to dismiss, which required a response from Berg (which he provided). However, when Berg responded to the motion to dismiss, he also included a motion for expedited discovery, to which the Obama campaign and DNC responded with a protective order, requesting that discovery be delayed until the judge had ruled on the motion to dismiss --- which he has not yet done.

Bottom line(s): The Obama campaign and the DNC have "admitted" nothing, except perhaps in Philip Berg's mind; there is nothing to "admit". No "court order" has been issued, requiring that Obama produce a vault-copy birth certificate. Berg has not won the case; we do not yet even know whether the case will go to trial (but it appears unlikely).

Now, in the event that Mr. Berg's lawsuit (which, incidentally, is a civil suit and not a criminal proceeding; that's important to note) goes to trial and he prevails, then indeed Mr. Obama will be forced to either withdraw his candidacy or resign the Presidency, as appropriate at the time. Until that time, however, it is --- at best --- premature to speak of Mr. Obama and the DNC having "admitted" anything at all, or the case having been decided. And, in the event that the case is either dismissed or adjudicated in Mr. Obama's favour, can we please finally just let it go and move on to something more substantive? "

Yikes wrote on Oct 21, 2008 12:36 PM:

" Say it ain't so, Sharon. Idaho only became a Republican state beginning in the 1970s, a time that coincided with the beginning infestation of reactionary Republicans, primarily those fleeing California, a malady that has only accelerated in this decade. This development is comparable to the deleterious effects of the damage wrought by the looney left that similarly migrated into Oregon. Both became sad political developments for those of us that have remained basically sane and choose to live in the world of reality, acceptance and possibility. At one time this formerly proud state sent respected and influential people to Washington. People like Democrats Cecil Andrus and Frank Church, a man responsible for most of the protected public lands we all enjoy today, also William Borah-a Republican, who today would be judged a "radical" and a terrorist sympathizer by the standards of today's Republican mentality.

Presently the state's political majority seems intent on affirming a Bush encore and replacing an inconsequential deviant in the Senate with a man who looks like he just stepped out of a 1950s wanted poster, even possibly returning a true bottom feeder to the House, a man whose only appeal is to the more base instincts in people. Idaho can do much better on Nov. 4th. "

Anita wrote on Oct 21, 2008 12:13 PM:

" Greenwood is exactly right. But if you listen to the liberal media, the Republicans caused this financial meltdown all by themselves. Actually, I hope Obama does get elected because then his follwers will get a first hand look at the destruction of this country and all it stands for. With a Democrat President and Congress, then they'll have no one else to blame when everything falls apart, as it surely will. "

to Greenwood wrote on Oct 21, 2008 12:03 PM:

" Blame whomever you like so long as you remember the phrase "President Elect Obama" on the 5th of next month, ok? "

Remember Idaho wrote on Oct 21, 2008 12:00 PM:

" It's the right wing, neo-cons who move to Idaho that are destroying it! I've lived here all my life and I remember the Democratic governor, Cecil Andrus, who served longer than any other governor in Idaho's history. He is a true Idahoan and he supports Barack Obama for President. Who's taking care of Idaho now? Silly Sali and Scary Larry Craig. "

Greenwood wrote on Oct 21, 2008 11:37 AM:

" Hannity has every right to point out the facts. To worn us about Obama. I have had my house on the market for a month and a half not one person has looked at it. The only thing they are looking at is foreclosures. My friends are loosing their jobs. Myself, relatives other friends are watching their retirement accounts go down the drain. Do I blame in on President Bush? No I blame in on the Democrats. President Clinton loosened up the home loan requirements, then the bank begin making thousands of bad loans, Fannie Mae buys mortgages from other companies. It is backed by the taxpayers for all the losses, but keep all the profits. Executives at Fannie recieve huge bonuses if loan targets are met. Raines and Garelick from the Clinton administration are then appointed to run Fannie Mae. President Bush tried to get a new oversight commitee to clean up Fannie Mae, but the Democrats derail the effort. Raines earns $100 million in bonuses, Garelick earns $75 million in bonuses. Fannie Mae has massive fraudulent bookkeeping. Fannie Mae gives millions to Democratic causes, examples Jesse Jackson & Accorn. Fannie Mae pays millions to 354 congressmen & senators from both parties. Who got most of the money #1 Sen. Dodd, #2 Obama, #3 Schumer, #4 Barney Frank. In 2005 Sen McCaian trys to get "The Federal Housing Enterprise Reg. Reform Act. The act is blocked by the Democrats and is not supported by Obama. McCain states if Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie & Freddie pose to the housing market, the overall financial system & the economy as a whole" If Obama is such a wonderful wholesum man why doesn't he give the money that was ripped off from the taxpayers back instead of trying to get in office so him and the rest of his buddies can rip us off some more. He got huge amounts of money from Accorn and Fannie and Freddie. How do you think he can afford the TV station, all of the smearing of the republicans etc. Obahma is a huge con-artist he doesn't care about the little guy. Our goverment is ripping us off and Obahma wants to continue it and will tell us anything and everything he thinks we want to hear. "

Sharons right wrote on Oct 21, 2008 11:28 AM:

" Congress's approval rating is dismally in the single digits and what do the 2 major parties give us for presidential nominees? 2 congressmen, 1 who is a career politician and the other who is a career campaigner, truly sickening. "

cerulli wrote on Oct 21, 2008 11:22 AM:

" I present to you the new york times and most large city newspapers and t.v. stations as the real hater mongers. Hannity as least tells the truth. "

Lola wrote on Oct 21, 2008 11:15 AM:

" Ya, Lynn were all sick of the prejudice and the anger. Politics is a questionable career. I wouldn't do it! Look on the bright side, it's almost over! "

Golden Mean wrote on Oct 21, 2008 11:13 AM:

" Update on Philip Berg, Esq -

He's still out to make a name for himself via his self represented civil (not criminal) lawsuit against the future President of the United States. "

Anita wrote on Oct 21, 2008 11:06 AM:

" Update about Obama's citizenship from Philip Berg.

Obama & DNC Admit All Allegations of Federal Court Lawsuit - Obamas Not Qualified to be President
Obama Should Immediately Withdraw his Candidacy for President
For Immediate Release: - 10/21/08 - Complete contact details and pdfs of this press release and motions filed by plaintiff Berg today are at the end of this article

Go to obamacrimes to see the entire statement. "

Sharon wrote on Oct 21, 2008 10:43 AM:

" I don't believe any one here said one party or the other is completely in the right, as far as I am concerned most are the same side of the coin....trick is getting all the traitors thrown out of office, there are a few on both sides worth keeping, but it is not Pelosi, Reid, Franks, Dodd and many Republicans....

The only ones who can make a real change are the American Citizens...and most voters are to stupid to do it.

We were not even given a choice for President, we ended up with the 2 they wanted us to have and I personally don't like either one, but i trust Obama less than I do McCain...Obama has too many radical ties, he has no record, he was in the Ill. Senate 4 years and they are only in sessions a few months out of the year...his record on voting is "Present" 94 times...just who votes like that.

he was in the U.S. Senate 4 years a total of 175 days check his voting record, believe me he did not vote in favor of the good of the American People....and I can not count the lies he has told....

One more thing, check every state that is controlled by Demacrats and I assure you they are the ones in the worst condition....Idaho is not one of them, we have always been a Republican state, please don't move here and turn us into what alot of you ran from. "

Anita wrote on Oct 21, 2008 10:26 AM:

" I'm Voting For Obama wrote:
I can't believe the cycling of the old lies and racist comments expressed by posters! If you want to support McCain and his party, the Republicans, that's OK with me, but you aren't swaying any voters with your false rhetoric. Obama-Biden - a change for a bright future for me and my family. "

Ah, that favorite liberal word "racist." Convenient, but not a very effective arguement anymore. "

Im Voting for Obama wrote on Oct 21, 2008 10:22 AM:

" I can't believe the cycling of the old lies and racist comments expressed by posters! If you want to support McCain and his party, the Republicans, that's OK with me, but you aren't swaying any voters with your false rhetoric. Obama-Biden - a change for a bright future for me and my family. "

billy bob wrote on Oct 21, 2008 10:15 AM:

" Just wait and see who Barock Husain Obama apoints to his staff. The future looks very dark! Maybe we can get a CDA native in there to get us some money for more rec centers! "

Anita wrote on Oct 21, 2008 10:10 AM:

" Hey wrote:
" I guess Anita and her sort never heard of the "little boy who cried wolf". They've thrown so many lies in the air, that no one any longer pays attention to anything they say.

Silly little conservatives! "

Hm, it seems our little Liberals are getting touchy. Could it be because Obama is dropping in the polls? It might be noteworthy that Philip Berg's website about this birth certificate thing has gotten over 30 million hits. "

to Nobama wrote on Oct 21, 2008 9:30 AM:

" Colin Powell says you're wrong. And I believe him for than you. "

JGT wrote on Oct 21, 2008 9:15 AM:

" OBAMA DEFAULTS ON BIRTH CERTIFICATE LAWSUIT.

Phil Berg filed a lawsuit against Obama to produce proof of citizenship a federally defined and constitutionally required requisite to run for the presidency. By statute Obama had 30 days to respond to this lawsuit or cede to concur with the definitions contained within it. Obama has failed to respond and therefore agrees that he is not a citizen of this country.

This is much like a person getting civilly sued for a crime. The accusations are made in the lawsuit that you are "guilty" of whatever. You are served papers for the suit and have a time period to respond. If you fail to respond in that time frame the suit is considered complete in that you did not deny or refute the allegations.

The information requested about Obama was easy for him to comply with, if he indeed had the materials required. Obama chose not to respond. Because this is a legal action it has legal consequences which Obama as an attorney understands. Obama has accepted the facts as laid out in this lawsuit. Obama is not a citizen of the United States.

The web site obamacrimes offers more information. "

NObama wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:52 AM:

" Obama's ties to radical Islamist is real. Period. Read. Google. Put facts together. Read the books written by Obama. If your not educated, not aware, or generally stupid, vote for the next dictator of the Islamic nation, the United State of America...until the name change.
74 virgins anyone? "

heh wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:40 AM:

" I guess Anita and her sort never heard of the "little boy who cried wolf". They've thrown so many lies in the air, that no one any longer pays attention to anything they say.

Silly little conservatives! "

Anita wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:40 AM:

" Fun Gal, there's a video of Philip Berg talking about this. Just google Philip Berg/Obama video. We also have some info on alipac dot us in Other Topics and Pictures Worth a Thousand Words that you can read without being a member. The last I heard is that Obama has once again filed a motion to stall showing his documents. Again, makes you wonder. Philip Berg says that the document that came from Hawaii is only a registration of birth, not the birth certificate. Berg states that Obama's mother wasn't allowed to board the plane for Hawaii from Kenya because she was too pregnant. She flew there later with the baby and registered the birth. Funny, his entire Kenyan family vows they were there when Obama was born in Kenya. "

Again to CC wrote on Oct 21, 2008 6:53 AM:

" It sure has been apparent the last 7.5 years didn't show any reason that THIS individual had credentials in order to be president. People whom voted for this twit should have their passports revoked as being irresponsible for the welfare of this once great nation. "

to CC wrote on Oct 21, 2008 6:45 AM:

" Good. You shouldn't vote. We don't need your sort around here, either. Perhaps you should head to China where there isn't any voting - that way you can feel good about your lack of participation. "

crazy people wrote on Oct 21, 2008 6:41 AM:

" Must be a McCain supporter:

Citizens Time - Ashville Newspaper

October 20, 2008

Bear found dumped at WCU with Obama signs

Dale Neal

A dead bear was found dumped this morning on the Western Carolina University campus, draped with a pair of Obama campaign signs, university police said.

Maintenance workers reported about 7:45 a.m. finding a 75-pound bear cub dumped at the roundabout near the Catamount statute at the entrance to campus, said Tom Johnson, chief of university police.
It looked like it had been shot in the head as best we can tell. A couple of Obama campaign signs had been stapled together and stuck over its head, Johnson said.
University police called in N.C. Wildlife Resources officials to remove the body and help in the investigation. Bear season is currently under way in Western North Carolina.
This is certainly unacceptable, Johnson said. Someone was wanting to draw attention to the election. If we find out who they are, well make sure theyll get some attention themselves.

"Western Carolina University deplores the inappropriate behavior that led to this troubling incident," said Leila Tvedt, associate vice chancellor "We cannot speculate on the motives of the people involved, nor who those people might be. Campus police are cooperating with authorities to investigate this matter."
Anyone with information should call WCU police at 828-227-7301. "

CC wrote on Oct 21, 2008 6:12 AM:

" so then, if I vote for a candidate and mine choice loses, I still have to accept the credentials of the victor.

Obama is using every legal tool he has to avoid producing documents. McCain refuses to attack. Biden alerts us to a looming world event in the next six months and begs we approve President Obama's future decision and get behind it even if it seems wrong at the time. Biden gives few clues of what this problem-solution involves. Palin wants to put lipstick on the mess and call it divine order.

In the meantime, we condemn Hannity as a hate monger for pressing for the facts. Obama's delaying tactics and McCains's sealing of Vietnam Vet medical records are both suspect. If either closet is opened, a lot of bones will fall out. Do you suppose for one moment that disclosing all the facts might get a third party candidate elected?

I choose not to vote at all unless all questions are answered by Nov. 3rd. I refuse to give my consent to the buffoons who have been placed as the only plausible candidates. At least when it hits the fan, I won't have egg on my face and I will tell you I told you so. "

wow wrote on Oct 21, 2008 6:03 AM:

" All that long winded blathering, and ye, I'm *still* voting for Obama. It seems that, like so much of the GOP campaign, all this was just meaningless in the big picture. "

Golden Mean wrote on Oct 21, 2008 12:06 AM:

" Yes CC, interesting, very interesting... "

CC wrote on Oct 21, 2008 12:01 AM:

" if we elect obama as an illegal, do we set a precedent for lower presidential standards than we already accept.

Interesting this fat checker responds so quickly this late at night. their last post was at 1:50 AM their time. "

Fact Checker wrote on Oct 20, 2008 10:50 PM:

" Senator Obama was born in Hawaii, a US state. He does have a passport. Senator McCain wasn't born in the United States and Gov. Palin didn't get a passport until 2006! "

fun gal wrote on Oct 20, 2008 10:49 PM:

" Anita, I am not an Obama supporter. I want to know, if you have any info on the deadline that Obama has to produce his BC to the court. "

To CC wrote on Oct 20, 2008 10:45 PM:

" Senator Obama has a passport as verified by Secretary of State Condi Rice, a Republican! "

Anita wrote on Oct 20, 2008 10:30 PM:

" Doesn't it make you wonder why obama is fighting so hard against producing these documents? If the one on the internet is the right one, why won't he even produce that one to court? And what's the big secret about his college records? It wouldn't be because they would have his personal information in them, would it? I heard today that Obama is cancelling his campaign for a few days to spend some time with his sick grandma in Hawaii. Maybe he'll get a good forged document while he's there. This blind loyalty by some people and the stubborn refusal to see that this man is suspect, amazes me. I'll bet these same people watched the Michael Moore movie about Bush, and believed every bit of it, though. "

CC wrote on Oct 20, 2008 10:07 PM:

" Does Obama have an official US Passport? "

RadRevD wrote on Oct 20, 2008 10:04 PM:

" to Mahiun & Anita...

I have my original colored (not Black) birth certificate from an Iowa Catholic hospital. I also have a certified copy, an expired passport from 1973, a current driver's license with Idaho, and other proofs of qualified existence as a live human being and a citizen of the united States of America. My wife has yet to order my death certificate.

It would be at least Contempt of Court for Peck to assert that a judge has denied Obama's motions as Anita stipulates on Oct 20, 2008 7:06 PM. In a political climate, it could be construed as felonious.

As for my sources Mahiun, I do not have access to the local files that certain citizens have. Am I to ignore their claims because I cannot verify in 1890s Kootenai County? We have a prosecuting attorney that spends more time laying down on the job than executing justice. i am still waiting impatiently for my charge against Dixie Reed for conflict of interest as established by her own admission. Why the delay in either case?

Now we hear from Fat Check and are supposed to believe them as much as LCDC would like to be believed. It is time to settle these matters and let justice prevail, OR give America a decent burial before she becomes the object of world derision for not buying disposable garbage at Wal-Mart.

As for Berg's legal suit:

Barack Obama is still hiding his Indonesian citizenship behind legal
maneuvering and legalese. Today, Monday October 20, 2008, Obama filed another motion. The motion today was to dismiss Philip J Bergs
amended complaint. Jeff Schreiber reports the following:

Monday, October 20, 2008
Obama, DNC File Motion to Dismiss Bergs First Amended Complaint "

Liberalspeak Translator wrote on Oct 20, 2008 9:46 PM:

" Hate Machine= Factual based commentary not based on a agenda.
Over-righteous, over-conservative, over-ranting= Not adhering to extreme left-wing dogma.
The act of quoting scripture= admitting a violation of those same scriptures. "

fun gal wrote on Oct 20, 2008 9:19 PM:

" Anita, what is the deadline that Obama's birth certificate needs to be produced before the court. "

Peter wrote on Oct 20, 2008 8:49 PM:

" Philip Berg is the same man representing 9/11 for truth. People who believe that the US govt is somehow responsible for the attacks. There goes his credibility. This lawsuit is going no where and they will lose. That is if it doesn't get tossed out, which I suspect it will. The certificate had been authenticated and Mr Berg will lose the case. I guarantee it. And when this suit is tossed out due to insufficient evidence I can imagine the world of tinfoil hat conspiracy wacko's will just be besides themselves. File this under the grassy knoll, Hoffa, and eventual illuminati take over of the world. "

college info wrote on Oct 20, 2008 8:46 PM:

" I'd bet the reason Obama has sealed his college applications is that he list his nationality as something other than a US citizen. Also, to become the president of the Harvard Law Review you have to have published some articles but there is nothing notable written by Obama. Why? "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 20, 2008 8:35 PM:

" Anita, there's no signature on that PDF. It appears to be just the blank form that is routinely submitted for a judge to sign if s/he agrees with your position in the case. There's nothing to indicate that it was ever signed.

There is, however, a clear and unambiguous border at the bottom of the certified copy of Barack Obama's birth certificate (which has been vetted numerous times as being authentic) that states, "This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding." Short of actually being their in the maternity room, I don't see how much more you could or should want by way of proof. This is quickly veering into "Completely Ridiculous" territory...

There is also a whole slew of things still "in process" here, Anita. This has not by any means been decided or ordered, by Berg's own admission. As of his phone interview of 13 October, there was still a pending Motion to Dismiss. Berg's team responded to the motion to dismiss, and requested expedited discovery. The Obama team and the DNC responded with a Protective Order, requesting that discovery not proceed until the judge had ruled on the motion to dismiss. That has not yet happened, to the best of my knowledge, so there is no "order" to produce the documents. There is an attempt on Philip Berg's part to create such an order, but it has not been granted or so ordered.

I'm impressed that you have your original birth certificate, but I don't know many people who do. Come to that, I don't know many who even have a certified copy handy. And for myself, I don't know that I'd even WANT to have the original, since I am notoriously bad at keeping track of paper copies of things. I'm perfectly content to let it stay in a vault somewhere in Boise (or more likely, on a piece of microfilm or DVD somewhere in Boise) and have someone else keep track of it. I have a couple of certified copies, which I can scan and store electronically; it serves the purpose most of the time, and when it comes time to renew my passport, I'll just use the old one to obtain the new one. "

Anita wrote on Oct 20, 2008 8:07 PM:

" Sorry, that was Philip Berg, not Peter. "

Anita wrote on Oct 20, 2008 7:28 PM:

" Mahiun,
It won't let me put the video link in here. Just google Peter Berg's last Obama video. It may come up that way. "

Anita wrote on Oct 20, 2008 7:11 PM:

" Mahiun,

It's hard to copy a PDF file, so that's the best I can do. There is also a video of Peter Berg talking about the progress of this case. If I find it, I'll post it. "

Anita wrote on Oct 20, 2008 7:06 PM:

" ORDER
AND NOW this ______day of October, 2008, upon consideration of Defendants,
Barack H. Obama and the Democratic National Committees Motion for a Protective
Order and Stay Pending the Decision on Defendants Dispositive Motion and Plaintiffs
Response in Opposition thereto, it is hereby
ORDERED and DECREED as follows:
1. Defendants Motion for Protective Order Staying Discovery
pending the Courts Decision on Defendants dispositive Motion is
DENIED;
2. Defendants are hereby ORDERED to Answer Plaintiffs
Discovery Requests by way of Admissions and Request for
Production of Documents by October 15, 2008.
IT IS SO ORDERED
BY THE COURT:
R. Barclay Surrick, J.

Case 2:08-cv-04083-RBS Document 18 Filed 10/09/2008 Page 2 of 22
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANIA
PHILIP J. BERG, ESQUIRE, :
Plaintiff :
vs. : CIVIL ACTION NO. 2:08-cv-04083-RBS
:
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, a/k/a :
BARRY SOETORO, a/k/a :
BARRY OBAMA, a/k/a : JURY TRIAL DEMANDED
BARACK DUNHAM, a/k/a :
BARRY DUNHAM, THE :
DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL :
COMMITTEE, THE FEDERAL :
ELECTION COMMISSION AND :
DOES 1-50 INCLUSIVE, :
Defendants :
ORDER
AND NOW this ______day of October, 2008, upon consideration of Defendants,
Barack H. Obama and the Democratic National Committees Motion for a Protective
Order and Stay pending the Decision on Defendants Dispositive Motion and Plaintiffs
Response in Opposition thereto, it is hereby
ORDERED and DECREED as follows:
1. Defendants Motion for Protective Order Staying Discovery pending
the Courts Decision on Defendants dispositive Motion is DENIED in
part and GRANTED in part;
2. Pending the Decision on the Defendants, Barack H. Obama and the
Democratic National Committees Motion to Dismiss, discovery is
stayed except for the following:
Defendants, Barack H. Obama and the Democratic National Committee are
ORDERED to turn over the following documents by October 15, 2008:
1. A certified copy of Obamas vault (original long version) birth
certificate;
2. Certified copies of all reissued and sealed birth certificates of
Obama in the names referred to in the caption of this lawsuit;
3. A certified copy of Obamas Certification of Citizenship;
4. A certified copy of Obamas Oath of Allegiance taken upon age of
majority;
5. Certified copies of Obamas Application and Admission forms for
Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard Law
School; and
6. Certified copies of any Court Orders or legal documents changing
Obamas name from Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama.
Defendant, Barack Hussein Obama is ORDERED to serve upon Plaintiff
Answers to the following Request for Admissions by October 15, 2008:
Admissions, Request No. 1. Admit you were born in Kenya.
Admissions, Request No. 2. Admit you are a Kenya natural born citizen.
Admissions, Request No. 3. Admit your foreign birth was registered in the State
of Hawaii.
Admissions, Request No. 4. Admit your name was legally changed to Barry
Soetoro and citizenship status was changed to
natural citizen of Indonesia.
Admissions, Request No. 5. Admit you were adopted by Lolo Soetoro, M.A. a
citizen of Indonesia.
Admissions, Request No. 6. Admit Lolo Soetoro, M.A. a citizen of Indonesia.
Signed a Government Acknowledgement form
legally acknowledging you as his son.
Admissions, Request No. 7. Admit you are an Indonesian citizen.
Admissions, Request No. 8. Admit you are currently not a natural born United
States citizen.
Admissions, Request No. 9. Admit you are not eligible to serve as the President
of the United States pursuant to Article II, Section I
of the United States Constitution.
Admission, Request No. 10. Admit you are unable to prove your citizenship
status.
Defendant, the Democratic National Committee is ORDERED to serve upon
Plaintiff Answers to the following Request for Admissions by October 15, 2008:
Admissions, Request No. 1. Admit you have not verified Barrack Hussein
Obamas eligibility to serve as President of the
United States.
Admissions, Request No. 2. Admit Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya.
Admissions, Request No. 3. Admit Barack Hussein Obamas citizenship status
was changed to a natural citizen of Indonesia
when his stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, M.A. legally
acknowledged Obama as his son.
Admissions, Request No. 4. Admit Barack Hussein Obamas name was legally
changed to Barry Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen.
Admissions, Request No. 5. Admit Barrack Hussein Obama is not a natural
born United States citizen.
Admissions, Request No. 6: Admit you have not inquired into Barrack Hussein
Obamas citizenship status.
Admissions, Request No. 7. Admit the United States Constitution does not allow
for a Person to hold the Office of President of the
United States unless that person is a natural born
United States citizen.
Admissions, Request No. 8. Admit you collected donations on behalf of Barack
Hussein Obama for his Presidential campaign.
Admissions, Request No. 9. Admit the DNC has promised Plaintiff and all
American citizens that the DNC will ensure Open
and Honest Government and uphold the United
States Constitution to protect the United States
citizens.
Admissions, Request No. 10. Admit Barack Hussein Obama is not a legal citizen
of the United States.
IT IS SO ORDERED
BY THE COURT:
R. Barclay Surrick, J. "

Anita wrote on Oct 20, 2008 7:04 PM:

" Fun gal,

I was born in New York. I have the birth certificate issued by the hospital at the time of my birth, and I later got a certified copy from Albany, NY. "

Re Fact Check wrote on Oct 20, 2008 7:04 PM:

" We are a nonpartisan, nonprofit "consumer advocate" for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics. We monitor the factual accuracy of what is said by major U.S. political players in the form of TV ads, debates, speeches, interviews and news releases. Our goal is to apply the best practices of both journalism and scholarship, and to increase public knowledge and understanding.

The Annenberg Political Fact Check is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. The APPC was established by publisher and philanthropist Walter Annenberg in 1994 to create a community of scholars within the University of Pennsylvania that would address public policy issues at the local, state and federal levels.

The APPC accepts NO funding from business corporations, labor unions, political parties, lobbying organizations or individuals. It is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation. "

fun gal wrote on Oct 20, 2008 7:00 PM:

" Anita, what state were you born? Do some states give out original birth certificates? California, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, Utah are some of the places my family were born and none of us could get an original, only certified copy. My dad was from Canada but was born in Eugene Or while his mom was on vacation. Had to go with him all the way to Parliment building in Victoria to get guess what?? a certified copy. Took it to Oregon where he filed it to become american citizen, and quess what they gave him a certified copy. Which states give out the originals? "

Anita wrote on Oct 20, 2008 6:34 PM:

" Mahiun,

A; There has been no evidence that anyone has seen or touched this so called birth certificate.

B: Obama did file for a dismissal after Oct.1, and it was denied by the judge.

C: Yes, actually I do have my original birth certifate and I'm older than Obama. And Obama showed only online, the short version, not the long version which was he ordered to do so by the court. And yes, I can produce the evidence of the court documents. I will post them here after dinner just for your reading pleasure.

D: Have you seen this announcement, or again is that another internet copy? "

YEP wrote on Oct 20, 2008 6:31 PM:

" Yea I love HANITY & COMBS, Glen Beck to! I Will Vote for the WHITE GUYS Mc Cain & Palin all the way!

YEP that right! "

Wonder wrote on Oct 20, 2008 6:08 PM:

" Question: Who or what is behind factcheck.org? Next: Barack Hussein Obama, has been indorsed by Farrahkan, a minister of hate and divisiveness; by Chavez, a Communist dictator who hates the U.S.; Rev. (?) J. Wright, another U.S. hater who has said so from the pulpit; and other hate mongers who have endorsed B.O., including his wife. Lynn Marley, either your naivite or sympathizing political views are showing. Please, take a political science class and become enlightened. Better hurry, though. I would rather vote for a free market capitalist than a communist Marxist. How many people choose, or have chosen, to renounce their American citizenship to live in a communist controlled country? "

Republican all the way wrote on Oct 20, 2008 5:09 PM:

" Some see Obama for what he is. The rest of you sheep just keep on following the Shepherd.(Liberal News Media)

Wake up Lib's before it is to late. Obama is going to take this country down.

Hannity for president! "

John H. wrote on Oct 20, 2008 5:02 PM:

" RE: "But they are part of the Media---And the media tells us what to think. With out them what would we do? "

Oh, you are soooo right ... I guess that's why it's referred to here as the 'TELL-A-VISION'!

I suppose that's why someone exclaimed once that we [Americans] will never rise-up and take back our country, until all the T.V.'s quit working!

John H.
Coeur d'Alene, ID "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 20, 2008 4:37 PM:

" Anita, the healthcare thread was a direct response to a direct question. (Are you positive you don't have ADD?)

The birth certificate thing: give me a break. If you clung to anything else as tightly as you're clinging to this one, you'd have an arthritic claw that you wouldn't even be able to open.

[A} It's a fake --- you personally know this, better than anyone else including the people who have actually seen and touched it, because......?

[B] The judge wouldn't let the suit continue if it were real --- any schlub with a scheister lawyer and couple hundred bucks can file a lawsuit (which is why we need tort reform, but that's another story). That doesn't make it real. Lawsuits are almost never dismissed unless the defendant files for cause to have it dismissed. So why hasn't Obama responded? Maybe because he knows it's a frivolous lawsuit, Berg doesn't have standing to file it anyway, and it will be thrown out the minute it hits trial? As of 1 OCT, the most recent date for which I have any news (do you have something more recent that I could look at?), the court order had not been signed and the motion to dismiss had not been denied.

[C] Nobody's seen the original. Do you have your original birth certificate? I can tell you from firsthand experience (applying for a passport, had to produce my own birth certificate) that the State of Idaho will not provide an original. They provide a certified copy, which is exactly what Obama has produced. And this is good enough for the US State Department's requirements; why isn't it good enough for yours?

[D] There is also a birth announcement, buried in the back pages of the Honolulu newspaper, that announces Barack Obama Jr.'s birth on 4 AUG 1961. Now unless you're prepared to assert that the conspiracy to have Barack Obama infiltrate the media began at the moment of his birth.... "

To John H. wrote on Oct 20, 2008 4:37 PM:

" But they are part of the Media---And the media tells us what to think. With out them what would we do? "

John H. wrote on Oct 20, 2008 4:35 PM:

" Hannity; Michael Moore; Bill O'Reilly; Bill Maher; - they're all IRRELEVANT!

Just a bunch of talking-heads that are hired - not to mention get rich - to keep you entertained and fighting amongst yourself while the real powerplayers steal your financial future and pillage your country!

They're no different than a Jerry Springer that attempts to get his 'loser' guests to throw the first punch.

What's really amazing/sad are all those that fall for it!

LOL!

John H.
Coeur d'Alene, ID "

wow wrote on Oct 20, 2008 4:29 PM:

" You cons must really be hurting these days...knowing that Obama is just cleaning yer clocks.

Say hello to the new boss. "

Wouldnt it be a hoot wrote on Oct 20, 2008 4:15 PM:

" If Obama really wasnt a natural born citizen, was elected and Biden took his place?----Im just saying "

to better than a private account... wrote on Oct 20, 2008 4:10 PM:

" Don't forget to thank us working folks for your check you get each month. The money won't be there for us when we retire though unless some serious changes are made. "

Anita wrote on Oct 20, 2008 3:37 PM:

" Looks like Mahiun tried to change the subject and bring up health care instead of answering the questions about Obama's birth certificate. We all know where he saw it. On the internet, like everyone else. And that one is a fake. If it wasn't, the judge wouldn't have allowed Peter Berg to make his case and would not have ordered Obama to produce the original by Oct. 15. Oh, and I'd like to know where Mahiun saw Obama's educational accomplishments, too. Nobody else has seen these documents. Obama is a silver tongued fraud and he has a lot of people hoodwinked. It's going to be interesting when the truth all comes out. "

WHOOPSIE wrote on Oct 20, 2008 3:23 PM:

" So if you barely know somebody and refer to him as "just a guy from the neighborhood" and the guy you know little about writes a book - would you write an endorsement of the book?

See how much coverage this story gets from Katie Couric and CNN / MSNBC...

http: //elections.foxnews. com/2008/10/20/obama-praised-searing-timely-book-ayers/ "

re ss wrote on Oct 20, 2008 3:07 PM:

" oops! Sorry. "

re ss wrote on Oct 20, 2008 3:06 PM:

" I know you believe Obama when he says he barely knows Ayers, but this is just out today. The following is an excerpt from Ayer's book that Obama endorsed in 1997.

from Page 82
"Our neighbors include Muhammad Ali, former mayor Eugene Sawyer, poets Gwendolyn Brooks and Elizabeth Alexander, and writer Barack Obama. Minister Louis Farrakhan lives a block from our home and adds, we think, a unique dimension to the idea of 'safe neighborhood watch': the Fruit of Islam, his security force, has an eye on things twenty-four-hours a day."

Mahiun, I know this won't change how you vote but once again it proves that Mr. Obama is a liar. What a fine President he'll make! "

to-to niles wrote on Oct 20, 2008 2:40 PM:

" where did niles write that he had seen Obama's birth certificate? "

wake up Mahiun... wrote on Oct 20, 2008 2:32 PM:

gabe wrote on Oct 20, 2008 2:21 PM:

" But I guess what the Dems have been doing to Palin is all fair and good "

Better Than A Private Account wrote on Oct 20, 2008 2:14 PM:

" The check hits the bank account on the second Wednesday of every month and the gummit says I'm due for a 5.8% raise. Yes, by any measure you have to admit that's a success. "

social security... wrote on Oct 20, 2008 2:09 PM:

" Is that a success story? "

to Mahiun wrote on Oct 20, 2008 2:00 PM:

" How small does a business need to be exempt? What will this insurance cost and what is the fine be if I opt out? The insurance I provide my employees may not be as good as the one the Federal government offers. Do I have to match their coverage?

I am a small business owner. Guess what I will do as a small business owner if my taxes go up or if we are forced to buy more expensive insurance. We will get rid of employees. As a business owner who has made the investment in my business and carries all of the risks for my business, I will not let my salary will not decrease.

On the note of Obama's birth certificate, why won't he show it to the court to verify? Why would factcheck com be used to verify this? It doesnt seem like the most objective organization. "

Change We Can All Benefit From wrote on Oct 20, 2008 1:43 PM:

" The government does manage some things well, Niles. It organized a winning strategy for fighting on two fronts in World War Two. In less than ten years it organized a brand new bureaucracy that successfully put a man on the moon, and for over seventy years has administrated a program that keeps your parents and grandparents out of poverty. One thing that might jump out here is all three programs were initiated and managed by popular and competent Democratic Presidents. With a little luck we'll get another one on Nov. 4th. "

to Niles wrote on Oct 20, 2008 1:42 PM:

" Quit being a typical conservative and tell us when and where you saw Obama's birth certificate? Why are you ashamed of telling us your sources? "

Niles wrote on Oct 20, 2008 1:24 PM:

" Mahuin... Who is going to be "pooling resources"? All the funds go into a single pool which has buying leverage. Which health care system does the pool decide to use? It only becomes efficient if that mass of buying power goes to a few providers. Remember Kaiser healthcare? They were a massive provider. Guess what? Bigger is not better? What will happen to the other healthcare system that are not gov't sponsored providers? Will healthcare no longer be a competitive business when the biggest customer is the gov't? What if healthcare systems refuse to accept the gov't pool contract because of over regulation? Will they be forced to work with it?

Does this sound even a wee bit like socialized health care? All the money gets pooled and run by a central deciding group. Who is in charge of that group and their choices? Will rich kids not get to participate? What will the definition of rich kids be? Will the system decide which services are allowed and not allowed? Will they pay for abortions to teenage girls?

Mahuin, the gov't does not work things well or efficiently. The costs of what you describe plus the additional taxes will be terrible burdens on businesses that already have to field the mtg debacle that came thanks to liberal policy. "

RadRevD wrote on Oct 20, 2008 1:17 PM:

" to Mahiun...

Call the Annenberg Public Policy Center, telephone (202) 879-6700 and ask:
when Obama was on their executive staff
when Bill Ayers ceased affiliation
what third 'neutral' party they retained to validate Obama's BS oh, I meant BC!

What I see with factcheck is that one wolf is certifying the harmlessness of another whose intent is to raid the chicken coup. I was shocked to hear that Bill O'Reilly was dismissing this issue. It is evident that Obama's link into the Illumaniti Bloodlines and current association with the UN, Rick Warren, and the CFR has him poised to lead America into it's loss of sovereignty.

That may tickle your butt Mahiun, but I fear for the consequences and potential spread of dis-ease among your friends after the election. "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 20, 2008 1:06 PM:

" Niles, that's naive...

The point is that there are many businesses who would like to be able to offer health coverage to their employees, but have been unable to do so because it was not affordable. The Obama plan offers a way to make it affordable, by pooling resources rather than taking a "scatter-shot" approach. What's so difficult to understand about that?

You have chosen to employ a reductio ad absurdum argument of huge corporations crashing into oblivion because they are forced to offer health coverage. But most huge corporations already offer health coverage, and that won't change.

It is the businesses that could offer it, but don't, or the businesses who would like to but haven't been able to afford it, that are the central point here. The free ride of higher profits at the expense of employee health coverage (which is frankly, IMHO, downright immoral) is over.

If a business is so small that this amount is likely to sink it, then the odds are overwhelming that it is small enough to be exempt altogether. If a business qualifies, there is a strong chance that any costs associated with either providing insurance coverage or buying into the pool would be offset (or more than offset) by decreased absenteeism, a healthier workforce, and increased productivity.

You have allowed yourself to fall victim to fearful speculation; it actually appears to be bordering on hysteria. Calm down, take a deep breath, and run the numbers without the "sky is falling" hype layered on top of it. I think you'll find that it actually makes sense. Is it perfect? No --- as I said, nothing is going to be. But it may well be about the best we're going to be able to do, at least in the short run. "

to Niles wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:58 PM:

" quit ignoring the question: Where did you, personally, see Obama's birth certificate? I want to know exactly how to came by your conclusions! "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:56 PM:

" Niles, the whole birth certificate flap has been so thoroughly investigated, vetted, and vouched for by FactCheck dot org (among others) that I am forced to conclude that anyone still clinging to this old chestnut qualifies for a diagnosis of Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder.

It has been established, re-established, and re-re-established that it is a genuine birth certificate from the State of Hawaii, meeting all of the State Department requirements for proof of citizenship. There are halos around some letters in the digitized version, as a scanning artifact, but they are not present on the original. The original has a raised seal, and folds. The whole story is readily available on FactCheck dot org; there's no need for me to duplicate it here (except the knowledge that you will likely not avail yourself of the story on Fact Check).

Bottom line: Barack Obama was born in the United States of America and is an American citizen, just like he has always claimed. "

Niles wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:52 PM:

" Mahuin.... As i said the other day and YOU ignored. Hillary had a way to pay for her health plan. HOW is Obama going to pay for his?

Keep in mind what you just wrote. Obama is going to tax corporations more. He is going to close tax loopholes for corporations. One way or the other he is going to force them to pay for healthcare plans too.

OBAMA IS GOIMG TO FORCE THEM TO FIRE EMPLOYEES OR CLOSE THEIR DOORS. There is only so much money to go around and Obama intends to take most of from the very people and businesses that could cure our economic ills. Every time Obama ratchets up the costs to FORD the costs of FORD automobiles will increase. Eventually when nobody buys FORD anymore the whole company will close. "

so Niles wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:48 PM:

" Where, exactly, did you see Obama's birth certificate? "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:42 PM:

" ...name one aspect of bh obamas [sic] policies or plans that will have a positive impact on our country...

Okay, how about healthcare?

Have an employer-provided health insurance policy you like? Keep it! Nothing changes for you, nothing at all.

But for the millions who do not have health insurance, there may finally be some kind of option. It's not ideal --- nothing is going to be, really --- but it may at least be a decent compromise.

Small businesses are exempt from the requirement to provide insurance. Let's get that one right out on the table, right up front. Do NOT try to go postal on me about how this is going to "sink the small businessperson". Small businesses are exempt. Once more, say it with me: "Small...businesses...are...exempt." There, that wasn't so hard, was it?

And most larger companies already provide some kind of healthcare plan for their employees. It's that grey area in the middle that we're trying to do something about, because it is constantly growing; more and more people are falling into that middle ground: working full-time jobs for decent-sized companies, but still finding themselves with no health insurance.

So Obama's plan is to require businesses over a certain size (small businesses are exempt!) to either provide insurance or pay into a pooled fund to buy insurance for their employees. A lot of them will probably choose to pay the tax, because it will be cheaper than the insurance premiums if they try to buy on their own. (It's a lot more cost-efficient to approach an insurance company with one fund of 700 million dollars than a hundred thousand funds of $7000 each -- economy of scale). Many of these businesses have been priced out of providing health insurance to their employees, but the power of pooled funds can bring it within reach.

This is **NOT** "socialized medicine" or "government-run healthcare". It is **NOT** "free healthcare, just for the asking". It's a way to help buy health insurance for a lot of working people who don't currently have it. The government is not running the hospitals and clinics; it is only helping businesses to buy insurance for their employees (small businesses are exempt!)).

End result? More people have health insurance, which helps keep hospital/clinic costs down, which helps keep your healthcare costs down and creates a healthier, more competitive, more productive, and more prosperous society. "

Niles wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:27 PM:

" Mahuin.... Obama's original birth certificate did not have the name Obama on it. As with many adopted children when Obama's mom married a Muslim from another country he adopted Obama. At that time Obama's birth certificate was done to reflect his new surname. Obama was also made an official citizen of the country where his adopted father was born. The birth certificate being shown to the public was manufactured.

About Obama's college materials why does Obama hide them? Why should it require a court subpoena for them to be forced out for public viewing? Is Obama ashamed of them or afraid of them? Obama knows the public want to see them. He could get them without any trouble and parade his wonderful accomplishments for all to read. They must be really good or he would not have been graded so highly. Why all the secrecy?

Do you think President Obama will take action to silence media outlets that did not cooperate with his campaign? Will it be harder for them to renew their FCC licenses under an Obama administration?

What was Biden talking about when he warned a Seattle crowd that "Obama's foreign policy mettle would be tested in the few months of his presidency"? He asked the crowd to stand behind Obama and all "would turn out Okay". "

to my point wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:23 PM:

" What? That you like little tiny rodents? I already *knew* that you were a Republican, so why be redundant? "

When Obama gets elected wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:19 PM:

" Yall can thank GWB! "

My point wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:08 PM:

" You got the point of what the real Obama is like and that is all that matters. "

no no wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:05 PM:

" I think the fake obama person below had it right when he stated that he was "pro mice". "

Obama wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:56 AM:

" My plan is to abolish the constitution entirely as soon as I get voted in so I can take away all the freedom of speech and the guns from the American population....
My Arab brothers I promice you will always be able to get them since you are more adepth at using the under ground so you will not have any problem and it will make it much easyer for us to take all the rights away if the population is disarmed. "

To Mahiun wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:52 AM:

" Eee Gads - you actually defended your position instead of countering with another senseless attack.

Not sure that the Official Democratic Party, 1001 Ways to Defend A Postion By Ignoring It And Attacking Another Person, by James Carville was well served by your last post, but by golly your position and defense of it was a corker!

Gotta love a good liberal meltdown! "

to Mahium.... wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:47 AM:

" Just the answers I expected from you - no real thought but the usual Obama spin. "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:37 AM:

" Why is he unwilling to produce his birth certificate?
He has. And it has been vetted and verified by more than one organization. Whether or not you choose to accept it is your problem, not his.

Why is he hiding all of his college records including information on his roommates?
I don't know that he's "hiding" anything at all, so I can't answer this. But I do know that it is the policy of many universities not to release student assignments or records without a subpoena or other mandate requiring them to do so. We know what his academic record is, we know what his grades were like, we know that he graduated with honours, we know that he distinguished himself academically, we know what his degrees are --- what's the problem? Sheesh, what are you looking for, a stool sample?! His friends and roommates have actually been quoted on more than one Web site, so I'm not sure where you're pulling that one from....

You should be a politician...
Gawd forbid! [[shudder]] "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:31 AM:

" Do you believe that we have many unanswered questions from Obama?
Not really, no. In fact, I've heard some of them answered so &*($%^#@ many times, I'm sick of hearing it --- both the question and the answer! The question is always the same, the answer is always the same, and the result is always the same: the hardcore refuses to accept the answer, because it doesn't jibe with what they've already decided to believe. Obama has already answered, many times, that in 20 years of listening to Rev. Wright, only recently did he begin to hear sermons that were so over-the-top that they could not be countenanced. I accept that answer; I knew my grandparents for a lot longer than 20 years, and only in their later years did they start putting out some really loopy pronouncements. I've had close friends for many years that eventually I had to dissociate from, for the same reason: "In all the years I've known you, I've never heard you say something like that before, and I just can't live with it, sorry." And I've had more situations where there were things that we knew we didn't like or agree with about each other, but they were just "off the table" for discussion because there were other things that kept us together --- until there may have been a situation where it just went too friggin' far, and I couldn't live with it any more. So no, I don't think Obama is making any big conspiratorial effort to hide his past; if anything, I think he's been a lot more transparent than many candidates in the past, and he's certainly been under a lot more of a microscope than any candidate since JFK.

Why would Obama associate with Ayers knowing his history as an enemy of the US?
For the same reason that the presidents of the University of Illinois and the University of Chicago (Republican) did: it wasn't relevant to what they were doing at the time, and it took place at a time when Barack Obama would have been too young to have even been aware of it, let alone supported it. Why would John McCain choose the running mate he did, knowing her husband's history as a secessionist, an enemy of the US? A member of a party whose head honcho was on record as saying that the fires of hell were glaciers compared to his hatred for the American government? Even McCain himself has described Ayers as a "washed-up terrorist" (and the Weathermen really only succeeded in blowing up themselves, anyway!) and stated that he doesn't care about Ayers --- why is this still an issue? "

Sharon wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:22 AM:

" Geez, I do believe those questions are way to hard for this group of left wingers.

Sorry my family has been here 3 hundred years and I am not going anywhere you can bet on that, I just have to wonder how long some of you have been here or how loyal some of you are to this country...

What an intelligent answer to the race, bigot remark. "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:13 AM:

" ...since you'll not be welcome in Real America after the election.
Absolutely not true. And that's one of the biggest and most important differences! "

sigh wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:10 AM:

" Mahiun's name was obviously poached in the 11:01 post since he knows how to spell and the impostor doesn't.

What a lame act of stupidity. "

Mahiun... wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:01 AM:

" You should be a politican. You talk talk talk but never answer any questions. You have condemned poor little "Joe the Plumber" but yet never answered some of the questions we asked about your candidate. Niles just asked you some good questions, yet you chose to ignore those again. Many of us watch Fox because they are willing to expose Obama. Are they fair and balanced? No. But Fox ask the questions while all the other networks sweep it under the rug. Look at the job other networks did on Palin and "Joe" yet nothing brought up about Obama that could be negative.

I concede that Obama will most likely win this election and our post here will have no outcome on this election. So let's hear some truthful answers from you buddy. Answer the following questions without your usual spin please. (I'm not looking for the usual spin but your good common sense)

Do you beleive that we have many unanswered questions from Obama?

Why do you think Obama belonged to Rev. Wright's church for 20 years yet was completely unaware of what he preached?

Why would Obama associate with Ayers knowing his history as an enemy of the US?

Why is he unwilling to produce his birth certificate?

Why is he hiding all of his college records including information on his roommates? "

To Yikes wrote on Oct 20, 2008 10:49 AM:

" And your point is?

Is Hannity running for elected office?

What did we miss here?

Does the term "faulty analogy" mean anything to you? "

nice try Sharon wrote on Oct 20, 2008 10:49 AM:

" Your tired old lies no longer work. You're totally discredited. You should probably make plans for emigration NOW, since you'll not be welcome in Real America after the election. "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 20, 2008 10:49 AM:

" Why is it that liberals can not carry on any conversation with out the name calling, Racist, bigots etc.
Perhaps because they so often end up conversing with racists and bigots... "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 20, 2008 10:47 AM:

" RRD, I don't (and wouldn't) work for the Coeur d'Alene Press, and I don't even know who their server provider is. But what I do know is some simple HTML. For reasons I don't begin to understand, the blogger engine here will process some, but not all, simple HTML tags: bold and italic are fine, but it will ignore underline, and if you try to use a tag to create a list it will show (but not process) the HTML code in the final posting.

I can't show the tags here, because even if I try to use spaces between, the blogger engine still catches it and processes it, so it won't show up as just regular text to show folks what I'm talking about. But it's readily available via Google; just look for "HTML tutorial" or "HTML tags" or similar. "

Sharon wrote on Oct 20, 2008 10:42 AM:

" An FBI agent on Washington Journal (C-Span) said the other day that Obama would not even be able to pass a security clearance with his past personal connections....why do the people running for President of the United States of America not have to pass security clearance before they can even run? After all they have access to all top secret information.

Why is it that liberals can not carry on any conversation with out the name calling, Racist, bigots etc.

Anyone who does not question the connections of the man who may be the president of the United States of America is not intelligent enough to vote for the leader of this country. But then maybe they are the ones who need the redistribution of funds some of us work so hard for. Move to china or India their Socialism is probably more to your liking.

And Oh by the way Pelsoi, Reed, Franks, Dodd and all the rest of the Democrats have done so much the last 2 years leading the congress....by all means lets give them more time to stop freedom of speech, give amnesty to millions of poor illegals for us to support and educate, take away our 2nd amendment rights and so on. "

Yikes wrote on Oct 20, 2008 10:37 AM:

" Perhaps it's only fair to judge Hannity-- a man considered only half American due to his possession of both Irish and US citizenship(Wikipedia)-- by his associations, past and present. Consider the wingnut Hal Turner, who often made news for his extreme right-wing views. He promotes antisemitism (including rounding up and killing Jews) and opposes the existence of the state of Israel. He also denies the Holocaust(Wikipedia). Then there is Ollie North, a three count felon whose sentence was vacated on appeal by a technicality. His close circle of friends also include the sexual deviant, D*ck Morris, a sleazy character that according to articles in the Electronic Telegraph alleges that Morris had a preference for "toe-s*cking and dominance," and that he regaled Sherry Rowlands(a hooker) with a version of "Popeye the Sailor Man," performed in his underpants(Wikipedia). Hannity, a blowhard of the neanderthal right is certainly not in a position to judge the associations of others. "

RadRevD wrote on Oct 20, 2008 10:22 AM:

" It is interesting that Mahiun is the only person commenting in the Letters venue who is able to provide rich text like italics & bold. Mahiun...do you work for the CDA Press or their server provider? "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 20, 2008 10:13 AM:

" ...why do you suppose the vast majority of people listen to this stuff...?

Simple: it's a whole lot easier than thinking! Two quotes from P.T. Barnum say it best:

"You'll never go broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public..."

"There's a sucker born every minute!" "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 20, 2008 10:09 AM:

" Seems to me that they pretty much back up their presentations with corroborative evidence.
Then you haven't been paying attention. This "evidence" is often the simple testimony of a talking head who happens to share the same political bent. There is very rarely any independently verifiable objective information presented.

The "counter" views, on the rare occasions that they are presented at all, average roughly 15% of the air time as those views supporting Hanniry, O'Reilly, et al.

So do I assert that everything Fox News presents is untrue? No. Occasionally, they accidentally let a fact slip through --- probably because some intern, who doesn't yet know any better, wasn't paying attention. What I am saying is that Fox News is so grotesquely, and so blatantly and openly, distorted that we have never before seen its like in television broadcasting. What I am saying is that it is not "news" (in the traditional sense of being an objective reporting of facts, devoid of editorializing, opinion, or point of view); it is "propagainment" (a strange mixture of propaganda and entertainment designed to simultaneously provide "bread & circuses" and whip up the gullible masses).

Fos shut down? Not necessarily. I would like to see them exhibit enough intellectual honesty to 'fess up and admit that they are not even close to "fair and balanced", that what they are presenting is not "news" but "thinly veiled political opinion", that their purpose is not journalistic integrity but political propagandizing, that they are not driven by a desire for integrity in reportage but by a desire for advancing an ideology and enhancing the size of their wallets.

You have every right and reason to thoroughly investigate the candidates you intend to vote for. And if you are left with questions you believe to be unanswered, or not satisfactorily answered, then don't vote for that candidate. But I would hope that you also have the intelligence, the integrity, and the honour to recognize and reject blatant hatchet jobs.

There are other news sources out there; you need not rely on Fox News as your only --- or even primary --- news source. I would strongly recommend that you balance it with perhaps the BBC (the actual European feed, if you can get it). They have no dog in this race, they have absolutely no reason to slant their reportage one way or the other. And it gives an entirely different perspective to see the news reported by somebody who is just an observer, not a participant, with no personal stake in what's being reported. Likewise, read an online copy of "Die Welt" (it's available in English, too) or the Sydney newspaper or "Le Figaro". Closer to home, balance your Fox News with maybe some PBS and/or NPR. If you really do want "Fair and Balanced", then balance it, don't just believe whatever you hear on Channel 28. "

to Lynn Marley wrote on Oct 20, 2008 10:00 AM:

" Your question:Should we all be judged on every single person we ever worked with or knew -- going back to our 30s?
The answer is only if you started your political campaign in his house and if he did something horrible of which he is proud. "

ah the right wing fanatsists wrote on Oct 20, 2008 10:00 AM:

" The wingnut fantasy is working hard today as more and more people turn away from their lies and failed actions. It's a great time to be a liberal - we've got 8 years, lefties, to fix what the nazi's have broken under Bush, lets get busy. "

to LM wrote on Oct 20, 2008 9:54 AM:

" factcheck is a scam. It is a part of Obama's legacy and propers lies that he is eligible for the Office of President. What you are most scared about is that the Truth will eventually bite you in your lower posterior. What is really scary is the people that know truth and say nothing. They are like wet noodles when we really need more big sticks like Hannity.

I despise people who only want to look at the bright side of life and turn a blind eye to corruption. "

hey mahiun from da P.im.P wrote on Oct 20, 2008 9:50 AM:

" lets assume you are correct, if it sells it is because there is a large audience (capitalism at its best..why do you suppose the vast majority of people listen to this stuff then like foxnews?? there are actually more liberally biased news casts available then conservative ones...but yet the conservatives ones are at top of the ratings...why is that??

think about, vote informed, vote smart, vote wise "

Anita wrote on Oct 20, 2008 9:49 AM:

" Niles, It's not just about Obama's college thesis, he won't even produce his college entrance records. "

Niles wrote on Oct 20, 2008 9:42 AM:

" So Mahuin, are you suggesting that the material presented on Fox is all lies? Seems to me that they pretty much back up their presentations with corroborative evidence. It also seems like they do have counter views with most of their presentations.

Would you rather that Fox be shut down, that their voice be silenced? Would you like to have their opinions not shared? Were you not the person who wrote about liberals calmly accepting the existence and views of conservatives?

How's about it Mahuin? If McCain had spent 20 years with a white pastor who belittled and condemned the black race with clearly racist overtones would that matter? If one of McCains closest associates was headed off to prison convicted of federal money corruption would MSNBC ignore that?

Do you realize that wholly 1/2 of Obama's campaign donations ($300 million) are untraceable? Curious how that happened isn't it?" Would it matter to you if McCain accepted that such funding from unknown sources?

And what was Obama's college thesis about? Every raves about his education so why the secrecy? Obama and all of those who adore him should be proud of the college work that is foundational for such a marvelous person. Why is that hidden?

Hypocrite is the term for someone who will defend the excoriation of an everyday citizen like Joe but thinks it acceptable to hide key information about a presidential candidate. "

Anita wrote on Oct 20, 2008 9:34 AM:

" Insanity, derangement, hatefests, fearmongering? Words that are always used by people who can't come up with verifiable information to the contrary. I'd like to think I'm doing my patriotic duty by questioning all politicians, regardless of their party affiliation. My vote is important enough to me to do just that. "

To Mahiun wrote on Oct 20, 2008 9:23 AM:

" If you add, Couric, Campbell Brown, Obelmeyer and Mathews to your list for the opposite side of the spectrum, I'll agree with you.

If you can't do so, then sorry. Virtually the entire world of American media has dissolved into a slanted, biased and often angry, hateful mob. But hey, both sides sell advertising and that's what drives them all. "

Mahiun wrote on Oct 20, 2008 9:18 AM:

" Hannity's just an opportunist, when you get right down to it --- just like O'Reilly, Coulter, and Limbaugh. They don't really believe any of that.....uhhhhh......."stuff"; they just know it sells. If it didn't sell, they wouldn't be peddling it. If there were suddenly bigger bucks to be made hawking the other end of the political spectrum, you'd see them flip like a pancake.

But at this point, they've made their reps and their livings by selling far-right-wing hatefests. They probably can't flip at this point; after all the years of fear-mongering, nobody would believe them if they flipped, they'd be exposed for the venal opportunists they are, and they'd be out of jobs.

So they'll hang on and try to milk this one dry, hoping to cynically squeeze a few more bucks out of the gullible, before this broadcasting fad (like all those before it) also dries up and blows away, taking their earning potential with it.... "

Anita wrote on Oct 20, 2008 9:10 AM:

" To: Hey Anita:

I guess the DNC thinks we should just take Obama's word for everything without proof. I would think he would want to clear this entire thing up quickly. Looks to me that the DNC is trying to stall all this until after the election, where if it's proven Obama isn't a citizen, it would take a Democrat Congress to impeach him. Funny, that all of Obama's Kenyan relatives say he was born in Kenya. Even his grandma who says she witnessed his birth. Sooner or later, all of this will come out, and I daresay, there will be more than a few looking foolish, not to mention what it will do to our Constitution. "

Hey Anita wrote on Oct 20, 2008 8:59 AM:

" You stated, "Oh, of course, the same way you make your judgement about Obama, without facts or information. "

When will Obama release his birth certifictes and his college thesis and other writings?

With these facts, we can actually see where the man's foundation was laid and then make an informed decision.

Funny, how Hillary's thesis was also locked away by her college adminstration as well.

I mean why on earth would a rational adult seeking the limelight of public office not want these things made public?

What do you suppose this is all about??? "

oh Anita wrote on Oct 20, 2008 8:55 AM:

" You should realize where the battle actually lies right now. The general election is already over - Obama by a landslide. No, the real battle lies within the GOP and whether it will continue as a viable entity in future political contests. The evangelista's, the Libertarians, the Big-Biz 'Pubs and the gun nuts have always had an uneasy alliance in the GOP and that alliance is coming undone right now. I expect to see a general disintegration in the party in the near future. "

Anita wrote on Oct 20, 2008 8:49 AM:

" " You should really quit with the tired, disproved strawmen and unsupportable "arguments" your side has used so often in the past. Everyone recognizes them as the fraud that they are and you discredit not only yourself, but the entire conservative movement. "

Really? And just where did you get that opinion about me without doing your research? Oh, of course, the same way you make your judgement about Obama, without facts or information. "

JR wrote on Oct 20, 2008 8:47 AM:

" I don't care what Lynn says, I love Hannity! We need a lot more men just like him. "

Strawmen thy name is Anita wrote on Oct 20, 2008 8:41 AM:

" You should really quit with the tired, disproved strawmen and unsupportable "arguments" your side has used so often in the past. Everyone recognizes them as the fraud that they are and you discredit not only yourself, but the entire conservative movement. "

Anita wrote on Oct 20, 2008 8:38 AM:

" It's pretty sad when Joe the plumber gets more scrutiny than a candidate running for the highest office in the country. "

Anita wrote on Oct 20, 2008 8:34 AM:

" I don't think Colin Powell's opinion or endorsement of Obama is going to determine the results of this election, one way or the other. Other than Fox news, Obama has been given a free ride in the media. In my opinion, there are too many unanswered questions about Obama's past. For one thing, it still has not been determined if Obama is even an American citizen. Some may argue that this issue has been resolved because there is a copy of his birth certificate on the internet. According to attorney Philip Berg PA. who is a lifetime Democrat, this document is a fake and he has petitoned the court for Obama to not only produce his original birth certificate, but also his college records. All of which Obama and the DNC have refused to do. The judge (who was appointed by Clinton)ordered these documents produced by Oct. 15, but the DNC filed a motion just before the deadline to stall this. So far, the judge hasn't ruled on that motion. Obama can clear all this up by simply producing the documents. Why doesn't he want anyone to see his school records? Hm, maybe because they state where he was really born? I don't know, but when someone refuses to produce legitimate documents, it usually means they are hiding something. Like I said, there are too many unanswered questons about this man.

And before you ask, no, I am not voting for McCain. "

oh Niles wrote on Oct 20, 2008 8:29 AM:

" Quit lying. Obama was in the neighborhood. Joe came up to *him*, not visa-versa. And Joe would have faded into obscurity had not a certain republican candidate not mentioned his name *22* times during the recent debate.

Quit trying to gild the lily. Face it, your side has backed a losing candidate and philosophy. Accept it and learn from your mistakes. In 8 years, you can try again; hopefully this time having learned a little something. "

Niles wrote on Oct 20, 2008 8:25 AM:

" Lynn,

Joe the plumber klived in a regular American neighborhood and minded hos own business. The Obama campaign came to his town and went to his street. Barack worked the crowd and he approached Joe along with the cameras. Joe asked his questions and Barack answered them. Obama's candid reply showed America that his economic plan is very much in keeping with socialistic income leveling.

Even though Joe had no planned intention of outing Obama's Marxist ideals it happened. Joe is no politician. Joe did not work for FOX. Joe was just like you or me. He's a hard working citizen with ambitions and plans.

Who vilified Joe, Lynn? Who dug into the mans life and raked him over the coals for everything he had ever done wrong Lynn? t was the liberal media and Obama did not say "please stop" did he?

Frankly I agree that Sean Hannity is a bombastic orator. But he is no different than many pundits and to single him out for criticism is to suggest that the others should be allowed to spew their vitriol. In fact if you weigh the overall news coverage from all the media Obama has been pretty much handed a pass card when it comes to critiques. "

to Times wrote on Oct 20, 2008 8:22 AM:

" Many, many posters here have said that they would vote for a black candidate, just not Obama. Powell was always noted as a black candidate they would vote for - it's the Republicans that canonized him. Right up until he said something they disagreed with. Now, he's not all that and a bag of chips in their eyes.

I get a kick out of GOP'ers trying to justify their racism and then getting it thrown in their faces. Exposing hypocrisy is a lot of fun. "

Times have Changed wrote on Oct 20, 2008 8:17 AM:

" Wow, didn't know Colin Powell was the final arbitrator on any arguments. Was he recently canonized? It wasn't in any of the papers.

Interesting that legitimate questioning of any candidate's background, past associations, etc. used to be expected, and was called "responsible political journalism." Now, only the questions aimed at conservative candidates are legitimate. Those aimed towards a liberal candidate are called "hate." "

hey Anita wrote on Oct 20, 2008 7:42 AM:

" What do you say to the fact that Colin Powell says that your arguments are irrelevant? And that Obama makes a far better candidate than McCain? "

Anita wrote on Oct 20, 2008 7:28 AM:

" Well, Lynn, maybe you need to do some 'fact checking' of your own.

There is a disturbing link between Barack Obama, FactCheck.org, and William Ayers. National Review reports that William Ayers and Barack Obama both served as co-chairs of the Chicago Annenburg Challenge.

Obama called for an $3.5 million dollar earmark for the Annenburg Foundation that sponsors FactCheck.org.

Several FactCheck articles have been viewed as promoting the Obama campaign line instead of truly acting as a fact checkers. Controlling the facts is a hallmark of a totalitarian regime, and this is truly an unsettling connection.

And other news orgs., not just Hannity are questioning Obama's connection with ACORN, and rightly so. In this country's haste to elect the first black President, I think many are overlooking a lot of 'facts about this man. "

to LM wrote on Oct 20, 2008 6:48 AM:

" Yeah, and the socialist takeover will be funded by the "National Bank Of W" - Geo. Bush, CEO. H. Paulson, CFO. "

LM wrote on Oct 20, 2008 6:32 AM:

" I have to agree!

If you hang out with bad people! you become what they are!
It's obvious he is indoctrinated with the REV RICE and AYERS thinking. Are you people just blind? or maybe just deaf!

The old saying BIRDS OF A FEATHER all hang out together.
Well, when our country is completely socialist at least it won't be the republicans fault. "

hey Lynn wrote on Oct 20, 2008 5:30 AM:

" Don't sweat it - the hate is just the death throes of the old GOP. They'll be going away after this election. Either through transformation into something more palatable to the citizens or through extinction if they don't transform. Bush has killed the party in it's present form. "

hangin With Bad People wrote on Oct 20, 2008 5:17 AM:

" "Did you ask or care if they were gay, beat their dog, cheated on taxes? "

Why no, I don't. But then again, I never had a desire to be a public official. But just maybe if I am a public official and have aspirations to ascend to the Presidency, I just might. I also just might choose to "hang" with people of like mind and philosophy as my own. I also might display a common sense logic of being able to avoid "hanging" with people of questionable character.

And, uhhhmmm, there is a difference between being gay and blowing up things and pledging to kill people in a violent overthrow of the government. Now, why would a guy like Ayers be so intent on helping "launch" Obama's political career? Makes one wonder.....

And then there is making a conscience choice to "hang" with that hate-filled, pastor and listen to his racist rant for 20 years. Makes one wonder...

Because the Obaba-left media has deemed these non-issues does not mean that they are non-issues. "

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