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A developing water problem

Posted: Monday, Sep 14, 2009 - 11:56:14 pm PDT
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By ALECIA WARREN
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JEROME A. POLLOS/Press
Residents of the 4 S Ranch in Hayden are seeking a state loan to pay for the replacement of the development's water system, which is needed for household usage as well as fire protection via hydrants.

Hayden subdivision seeks state help for defunct system

Residents of a Hayden subdivision are seeking a state loan of more than $1 million to remedy their defunct water system, a financial burden they deem more manageable than their temporary solution of trucking in H2O every week.

"Every three to four days, we have two to three trucks coming in," reported Buck Johnston, resident of 4 S Ranch north of Lancaster Road. "It's not unusual for people to pay over $600 a month for their water."

Development oversight in the 1990s left the subdivision lacking sufficient water supply regulation, Johnston said, which his neighborhood witnessed once two of its three wells were out of commission by last winter -- one dried up and the other shut down due to poor water quality.

Johnston and eight surrounding property owners are thus reined in to 700 to 800 gallons a day -- the Idaho Department of Environmental Quality's minimum daily standard for a single residence.

They supplement by trucking water in from Coeur d'Alene, Johnston said, which can ratchet water bills above $1,000 a month for some neighbors' irrigation.

Water quality has proven dubious on top of the shortage, he added, recalling yellow ice cubes in the fridge. He even shelled out $4,000 to replace two water heaters because of iron bacteria contamination. Replacing their filtration medium cost another $1,000.

"It was a surprise to people up here," Johnston said, adding that the previous owner of his home had disclosed to Johnston that there was a community water supply. "They came up here in good faith that they would have their homes built, and the next thing you know, they're dealing with severe water quality issues."

The DEQ even dubbed the system as non-compliant with drinking water standards due to inadequate source supply in a sanitary survey report this summer.

"The water system has been experiencing severe water shortages since 2007 and is now hauling approximately 70 percent of their water supply from a certified drinking water hauler at a high cost to water users," wrote Suzanne Scheidt, DEQ regional drinking water manager, in an e-mail. "The lack of an adequate water supply in addition to water quality concerns has created significant health and safety concerns to water users of the 4 S Ranch."

As regional rock formations preclude drilling new wells, the only solution is installing a 2-mile transmission main to tap into the North Kootenai Water District water supply, Johnston said, a project that could tally between $1.4 and $1.6 million.

"If we don't get this water pipe, we're in trouble, serious trouble," he said.

But nabbing the funds could prove tricky.

The nine property owners were able to apply for a DEQ State Revolving Fund loan after annexing into the NKWD this month.

To qualify, however, they must form a Local Improvement District designating those who will share the cost of repaying the loan. The more neighbors that join, the better, Johnston said, as it means more people to help shoulder the payments.

He is also hoping the DEQ will grant a disadvantaged loan with lower interest rates and longer financing term.

"Right now we only have 12 (in the LID), so payments would be $1,000 a month, and that's just not feasible," he said, adding that the DEQ is requiring more petitioners. "Among us are retirees. We've had incomes slashed by the economic situation."

Other 4 S residents were not available to comment.

More than 50 folks in the area could hook up to the transmission line, said Mike Galante, district manager for NKWD.

"I would encourage them to connect," he said. "The public water supply that comes from the Rathdrum Prairie Aquifer is really pristine."

But residents have been wary to join the LID without knowing exactly what they will fork out each year, he said.

The DEQ can't crunch those numbers until the LID is formed, however.

"We're in a chicken and egg situation here," Galante said.

The NKWD board hopes to lure more folks by passing a resolution stating that the LID won't be required to go through with the project if interest rates prove too high, he said.

Other methods of paying for the project like a bond would require higher interest rates, he added, and he doubted the subdivision would qualify for grants that target lower income areas.

"The district is trying its best to help these people with their plight," he said.

Sen. Mike Jorgensen, R-Hayden Lake, said he believes that the demand from development in the area will only deplete water sources further unless the right steps are taken.

"It's a ticking time-bomb," he said. "I think bringing the problem to the surface is a first step in perhaps making people aware that there is a problem. At the same time, I want to caution people who are thinking about going out and building that they really ought to be careful."


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yup wrote on Sep 16, 2009 10:41 AM:

" Or even crooked Idahoans :)) "

jeepers wrote on Sep 16, 2009 10:14 AM:

" Well, that's what happens when you do business with people from Cali. "

yup wrote on Sep 16, 2009 10:03 AM:

" yearight,

You are correct! I know of a developer in SoCal ALSO that put in holding tanks that the people were unaware of and were filled from the street every few days until the development was complete and then he was GONE!

That is just crooked and this criminal should be thrown in jail for doing what he did. Then, when he gets out, he should NEVER be allowed to build another building of any kind ever again.

Any employee that knowingly agrees to doing work in this manner should be subject to the same fate. "

yearight wrote on Sep 16, 2009 8:43 AM:

" The root of this was GREED, pure and simple. The developer had to know that there wasn't enough water to service this area and made their money and left. This happened to a relative of ours in SoCal years ago. They were left with "pocket wells" that would dry up when the ground water shifted (it's a seismic area). Raising two children on trucked in an bottled water finally became too much and they sold out at a loss.

I often wonder if we'll have the same troubles out on the Rathdrum acquifer. "

yup wrote on Sep 16, 2009 7:49 AM:

" Idahoguy,

Your ideals work within a system of people that do their job correctly. This is not the case in amerika. It is capitalism no matter the cost or who you skrue. If you would like to know where "stupid laws" come from, it is because of the people that are not held accountable for the CURRENT laws, building laws/codes, etc.

In amerika, MONEY is the only thing that talks and if you do not have a lot of it, you are SKRUED. "

InThePines wrote on Sep 16, 2009 6:25 AM:

" And these issues will continue given all the ratifying of developments continuing to be made by the County Commissioners. My question is: Who will pay for all of this when we run out of water? Has anyone read the meteorologist's information on the lack of water in just a few years? Frank. "

willy wrote on Sep 16, 2009 5:32 AM:

" To Roxana- Impact fees have not been imposed in the county YET. They are on the agenda and will be adopted sometime soon. Schools are not Impact fee eligible projects as per Idaho Statutes Title 67 chapter 82. You may want to read the law regarding impact fees prior to spewing bad information.
The public seems to think that the developer pays the fees out of their pocket. Impact fees are collected when a building permit is issued. The builder then adds the fee to the cost of construction and passes it on to the buyer of each home. Therefore the impact fees are actually paid by the property purchaser in the end. "

idaho guy wrote on Sep 16, 2009 5:16 AM:

" Make the people in this area man up and go to the bank collectively and get a loan they all pay for. It is their water issue not the rest of the State Tax Payers. I get so sick and tired when someone has a need or lack they feel it is their right to pass the hat to meet those wants via other people's hard earned money. I don't live in a socialist country. I live in a country where you have equal opportunity but not "arranged" equal results for all. We have had our own water issues up here on our homes and we dealt with it. We did not ask for help from anyone. Funny these type comments get deleted here alot. Must have a limp wristed moderator...Whoops that will get me deleted again...

Going to the bank is what Obama wants you to do anyway. Stimulate the economy ha ha ha "

22111947 wrote on Sep 15, 2009 11:18 PM:

" Well before anymore people get trapped then our good repreasentatives should start passing laws that stipulate that all Resources be available to new land buyers. In different countries these are just the minimum requirements. The water in our area is vital enought. I have seen in some areas of Australia farmhomes use tank water, water caught in a system of open pipe like structures and the water flows into water tanks. With Idaho you'd have to look at a device to stopp the water freezing up, but with say solar panels maybe this could help. "

Roxana wrote on Sep 15, 2009 4:03 PM:

" To 22111947- Good point however, the developers get in, put in the required infrastructure and then get out to move on to another project - as fast as they can-- - not being held responsible for their actions. If you go to the public hearings, you will see that these developers rarely speak and let their lawyers speak for them, they bring in their experts who are paid and will twist and turn the facts anyway that will benefit the developer. The developer usually wins, makes his money and is gone - leaving many unanswered questions and problems for the buyers and surrounding community.

It would be nice to see some integrity on the developers behalf to the buyers and to the community, so far I have seen little of this.

Yes, Buyer Beware - one should ask questions but sometimes if a buyer doesn't know the history of the area, it is hard to get the true facts.

Impact fees would be a big help in these mega developments, holding the developer responsible for his/her actions to the buyers and community. Making them pay for our schools, parks, fire stations and police protection - this is not being done in Kootenai County.

22111947- It all boils down to money and who gets it!

So buyer beware, go out and stop and ask people in the neighborhood or the area what they know about a certain development - first hand knowledge is a start and better than the word of the developer and his agents. "

yup wrote on Sep 15, 2009 12:32 PM:

" and we all aint as smart as id guy! GHEEZ!

Did you ever thing that some people were LIED TO? "

idaho guy wrote on Sep 15, 2009 12:28 PM:

" Sorry not all of us were dumb enough to build and settle below other people. We elected to pay to back up the the watershed which goes clear to Montana. We registered every water right known to man as well. Our wells provide us with water right from the rain/snow around us and above us going east.
So please realize we along with so many others here who understand water issues are not included in this opinion that we all will have water issues. We positioned ourselves is a good location... high up the the feeder lines to the basin water which is running low and getting more polluted daily.

Just like health care...some work hard and smart to buy their own...... others think we all owe them the same results...not. "

Roxana wrote on Sep 15, 2009 10:44 AM:

" Lets see Impact Fees for developers.

capnbutch- How right you are - once the problems start to arise with these developments and the buyers of the property and the surrounding neighbors of the community start to lose their wells and the water table - Where are they to look too? The developer of the project is long gone and out of the picture. Then the community is stuck with the problem.

Lets add Mica Flats to the list of potential water crisis due to large development practices.

At one of the public hearings on the Mica Meadows build in Mica Flats, one brave lady got up and voiced to the commissioners - "when the wells of neighbors go dry, when the wells in the Mica Meadows property go dry, when no more water can be pumped to the storage tank on Mica Meadows property - what are you, as county commissioners going to do? - as it will be building pump house systems and laying pipe to reach the Flats to bring water to the area." The commissioners disinvowed themselves from making that decision and handed it off to IDWR. So her water comments are on record. The commissioners have been advised.

Water is becoming a precious commodity for this community and for the entire West. We all better wake up soon and find solutions to the water issue when it comes to big development builds and more investigation should be demanded by the county commissioners to see if big development builds are feasible--- or the county should start buying water pipe and pumps.

The water availability effects all citizens of the county, if you are a well user or if you get your water thru a public water source-- in the end we will all be paying for the lack of water due to over zealous planners and developers. "

jeepers wrote on Sep 15, 2009 10:09 AM:

" Just wait until the really cheaply built houses start degrading, discovering some that are infected with mold from cheap materials and shoddy construction."

-- All you have to do is look at the prairie's multitude of ticky-tacky sub-d's to realize that this is already happening. Most of them are not much of an improvement over a trailer park. "

idaho guy wrote on Sep 15, 2009 10:07 AM:

" There is an ever growing amount of acreage on the Rimrock being cut up and put up for sale with NO water under it. No wells and many put out 1/2 a gallon down to 700'. I say all land must have a good well already on it to be able to be sold. Expanding other piped in water taxes all and drains the water table in place.

No water under your dirt...then you just got dirt...fool!! "

fact checker wrote on Sep 15, 2009 9:12 AM:

" That area started out with an adequate supply for probably two or three residences, then it wore out. So where is the developer in all this? Betcha sitting back counting the dollars, like other developers elsewhere who rake it in, then disappear before things start falling apart. Just wait until the really cheaply built houses start degrading, discovering some that are infected with mold from cheap materials and shoddy construction. Wait till they have to pay for massive infrastructure repairs that will no doubt be passed down to them. Wait till they have to ante up for other repairs to fix things that shouldn't have fallen apart. This article is only a beginning warning. Buyers can't detect problems like these in advance, including water supply. It's evasive and unreliable in some places. "

hayden Joe wrote on Sep 15, 2009 8:01 AM:

" As long as Lisa Key and her band of followers occupy city hall, more and more development will take place and more and more water supplies will be drained. Let's not forget the monstrous Hayden Canyon - 1800 home development that the city council approved right there on Lancaster Road. Vote for change Hayden!!!! "

yup wrote on Sep 15, 2009 7:56 AM:

" of course someone has to chime in with "BUYER BEWARE".

No, this developer needs to be held accountable as with anyone that sells without disclosure.

These developers/sellers need to start serving time for scamming people. "

mountainview wrote on Sep 15, 2009 7:31 AM:

" Is this a precursor or warning for us of what Denver is facing? "

capnbutch wrote on Sep 15, 2009 6:50 AM:

" This article is intelligent and well-written. Thanks for that. Good work, Alecia.

About eleven years ago authorities failed to understand the nature of the Rathdrum Aquifer (or any aquifer for that matter) and a Coeur d'Alene man died, the result of misinformation and cruel accusation. The ensuing coverup is a disaster.

We can fight environmental extremism only with good science.

As for dealing with this water shortage, I just don't know. "

22111947 wrote on Sep 15, 2009 2:30 AM:

" Shouldn't this matter be brought to the Developers attention. They plot the sites and I would expect the roads and curbing so why not the othe very important items? Developers should ensure is is ready b for the buyers, in this case it looks like buyers beware. "

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