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Posted: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:00 am | Updated: 3:04 am, Thu Sep 12, 2013.

Representatives from four advocacy groups in North Idaho were in Washington, D.C., last weekend for the National Rally to Protect America's Wolves.

Wolf activists from around the country marched at the National Mall to let the Obama Administration know their concerns over management practices in states where wolves have lost federal protection.

The Kootenai Environmental Alliance, Northern Idaho Wolf Alliance, Adopt A Wolf Pack and Friends of the Clearwater co-sponsored the rally.

The hunting/trapping season for wolves on public lands began in Idaho recently. The year-round season on private lands in North Idaho began July 1.

"Americans would be outraged to hear that Idaho permits the year-round killing of gray wolves in certain parts of the state," said Adrienne Cronebaugh, executive director for the Coeur d'Alene-based Kootenai Environmental Alliance. "Demanding scientific management of predators, including gray wolves, has fallen on deaf ears in Idaho and therefore, we are taking this tragedy to the national stage."

Some state officials, hunters and farmers believe the wolf population needs to be managed because they are a threat to other wildlife such as elk and livestock.

Members of the local advocacy groups said they want to be a part of building a grassroots movement.

"Our current management model is broken and wolves are in the cross hairs," said Merlyn Nelson, a Kootenai County resident and executive director for Adopt A Wolf Pack. "We need change."

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  • skippadoodoo posted at 6:13 pm on Fri, Sep 20, 2013.

    skippadoodoo Posts: 25

    We also shouldn't forget about the two Wolves (almost 30% of Isle Royal's Wolf population) that fell into the improperly abandoned well last year and drowned. Another negligent human who caused the wild life population big problems.

     
  • skippadoodoo posted at 1:08 pm on Fri, Sep 20, 2013.

    skippadoodoo Posts: 25

    I have nothing against fair chase subsistence hunting (no traps, bait, dogs, calls). You track an animal and kill it for food. I used to do alot of that along time ago. Society has no need for sport and trophy hunters who thrill kill for body parts for their mancave. I also have no problem with RESPONSIBLE, SCIENCE based management of all wild life. All species need to be given equal consideration instead of overpopulating the "good" animals (like Elk) and killing off the "trash" animals like Wolves. Do you believe in feed lots? Feeding wild animals is nuts but it's still done (per local wild life management practices) every where that I know of. Feeding wild animals? Again, wild life management (just like shoot, trap and poison) that is right out of the 1800's. Nothing has changed since then in the NRM and that is the problem.

     
  • DG posted at 6:10 am on Fri, Sep 20, 2013.

    DG Posts: 14

    Again you inflict an emotional rate with your facts! The simple fact for you is that you have NO DESIRE to manage any elk population for any other purpose then to feed your Wolf Gods! You hate hunting and any management practice to support hunting . I am simply stating that we need to manage ALL so that everyone gets a bit of what is important to them. YOU want it ALL YOUR WAY! Stupid emotions make you blind!

     
  • skippadoodoo posted at 7:20 am on Thu, Sep 19, 2013.

    skippadoodoo Posts: 25

    @DG, facts are; 1) Elk numbers are up over 40% in the NRM since 1995, 2) no humans killed in the continental US by healthy wild Wolves in over 125 years 3) wolves have a positive and necessary influence on a healthy balanced environment. Where are your facts DG? IDF&G did the Lolo Elk herd study in 2011. It showed that 1) Bears, 2) Coyotes, 3) weather and 4) Wolves were responsible for the low calf/cow ratios of these herds and the declining herd populations. After this study was completed IDF&G sent WS into the air two months later to kill 18 of the approximately 65 Wolves that lived in this area. After hunting and trapping (in less than six months) over 80% of this population was removed. That is just one example of how IDF&G uses scientific information to manage wild life. Brutal, archaic, environmentally destructive decimation of wild life species that is not backed by science or the facts but is based solely on arrogance, ignorance and intolerance. Still waiting on your facts DG to support your bogus contention that wild life management in the NRM isn't the same as it has been for hundreds of years.

     
  • DG posted at 10:44 am on Tue, Sep 17, 2013.

    DG Posts: 14

    What facts do you provide Doodoo?? Only ones that agree with your emotional desires...your cataloging of all hunters is again just emotions...the one fact I bring to the table is the extensive, scientific studies and management plan the Idaho Fish & Game has developed and is following to meet ALL wildlife objectives! Of course you will NOT believe it or give it validation, because it puts the wolf on the same level as ALL OTHER predators and does not assign "GOD LIKE" status as your emotions demand!

     
  • skippadoodoo posted at 8:13 am on Tue, Sep 17, 2013.

    skippadoodoo Posts: 25

    DG, you call my posts "emotional rants" and yet I see no factual information attached to your posts. I try to provide factual information with my "rants" and am happy to discuss different points of view.

     
  • skippadoodoo posted at 8:10 am on Tue, Sep 17, 2013.

    skippadoodoo Posts: 25

    Joe, enjoy the recreational blood bath while you can. Locals are all for killing as many predators as they can because of social intolerance. That and politics are what form the basis of wild life management policies in the NRM. In time, that too will change. Federal taxpayers own most of the NRM (over 2/3rds) and fund WS who is the #1 killer of Wolves and other predators in the US. Locals have shown again that they can not responsibly manage the wild life because of the narrow minded, backward thinking way of doing things that is so prevalent in rural communities. Vocal local yocals will be dragged, kicking and screaming, into the 21st Century whether they like it or not. It is just a matter of time and folks like me have learned to be very patient. This isn't the first time or the last time that wild life populations have been decimated by hatred and intolerance.

     
  • Joe D posted at 10:15 pm on Sun, Sep 15, 2013.

    Joe D Posts: 2420

    doodoo And their numbers are going to decline even more if I get my way.

     
  • Joe D posted at 9:28 pm on Sun, Sep 15, 2013.

    Joe D Posts: 2420

    pd1974 And we will continue killing wolves year round. In fact I am going to dedicate my next one to you jackwagon...

     
  • Joe D posted at 9:25 pm on Sun, Sep 15, 2013.

    Joe D Posts: 2420

    doodoo Don't hold your breath...

     
  • Joe D posted at 8:17 pm on Sun, Sep 15, 2013.

    Joe D Posts: 2420

    pd1974 Here ya go slick. Maybe you should read up on your twenty dollar word, so you won't look so foolish.

    http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/accounts/Echinococcus_granulosus/

     
  • Joe D posted at 7:54 pm on Sun, Sep 15, 2013.

    Joe D Posts: 2420

    pd1974 I was just wondering. Do you eat Hamburgers and other beef products? And I would question who the true coward really is.

     
  • skippadoodoo posted at 4:59 pm on Sun, Sep 15, 2013.

    skippadoodoo Posts: 25

    Ever see an Indian with a "Trophy Room"? Better start looking hard because you will never find one as Indians take only what they need and are thankful for the sacrifice that that animal made. There are no "trash animals" in Indian lore. White people regard many animals (like Wolves and other predators in some small circles) as "trash animals" or as you would say "vermin" and "disgusting animals". Hatred and intolerance is not part of Indian or Wolf culture but it sure seems to be a big part of yours. I have nothing against ranchers and hunters who act in a responsible manner. I do have contempt for those that are irresponsible and negligent in their practices because they cause the horrific deaths of their animals (that ranchers are responsible for because they own those animals) and the wild animals that suffer persecution, harassment and death at the hands of haters like you. It's not right to kill things just because you don't like them. They have done nothing wrong so leave them alone.

     
  • skippadoodoo posted at 4:50 pm on Sun, Sep 15, 2013.

    skippadoodoo Posts: 25

    Yep, white man arrived and killed off all of the Indians and Buffalo and Wolves and many other species. All of which lived in the same place at the same time for tens of thousands of years without any problems or "management". Management of the wild animal populations is a white man concept. Just like open range grazing, that didn't take place in Europe (where the white man came from) before the white man came to North America. Lots of changes made by the white man for his benefit alone at the expense of all of the other animals (and races of people) that live here. Same is true of slavery and blacks, just like Indians and Wolves. All "trash animals" in the white man's eyes to do with as he pleases. That still goes on in some places and all of it has got to stop.

     
  • skippadoodoo posted at 4:43 pm on Sun, Sep 15, 2013.

    skippadoodoo Posts: 25

    Current, fact based information is completely lacking when it comes to local Wolf (and other wild life) management. Those aren't my facts, those are THE facts. I don't like that, it needs to change and I am a small minority where I live. That too will change, long after I am gone, the sooner the better.

     
  • skippadoodoo posted at 4:40 pm on Sun, Sep 15, 2013.

    skippadoodoo Posts: 25

    You seem to omit the fact that humans brought a dog onto the island (against regulations) that was infected with canine parvovirus that infected and decimated the Wolf population in the 1990's. Once again human negligence had dire consequences for the native wild life populations and disrupted and upset the natural environment. Isle Royal is also not a typical ecosystem, it is truly one of a kind which are the examples you typically site in order to promote your warped sense of reality.

     
  • skippadoodoo posted at 4:33 pm on Sun, Sep 15, 2013.

    skippadoodoo Posts: 25

    But for how long Joe, for how long? It's all year around now, the killing season can't be made any longer. This too shall come to an end in time.

     
  • skippadoodoo posted at 4:32 pm on Sun, Sep 15, 2013.

    skippadoodoo Posts: 25

    Two seasons left, better hurry up!

     
  • skippadoodoo posted at 4:31 pm on Sun, Sep 15, 2013.

    skippadoodoo Posts: 25

    There is plenty of great habitat left in Wyoming (especially since they have killed off most of their Wolf population since hunting started), Utah, Colorado, California, Maine, New York, Vermont and New Hampshire. Wolves will do fine (provided humans leave them alone) in North Dakota, South Dakota as well as parts of Kentucky, Missouri, Tennessee and Arkansas. There is also plenty of room left in North and South Carolina for Red Wolves and Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico and Colorado for Mexican Wolves. As is always the case 22, you have it backwards. Socially intolerant, hate filled humans like you don't tolerate Wolves. Wolves live around humans just fine. It's folks like you who can't live around Wolves that are the real problem.

     
  • Joe D posted at 4:22 pm on Sun, Sep 15, 2013.

    Joe D Posts: 2420

    pd1974 Did you say something? No? I didn't think so....

     
  • pd1974 posted at 10:00 am on Sun, Sep 15, 2013.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    e granulosus is a fatal disease. hope many many wolf hunters and welfare ranchers get it

     
  • pd1974 posted at 9:58 am on Sun, Sep 15, 2013.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    Wolves harvesting elk, deer, and moose year round is nature you misinformed redneck. Get over it. The wolf is the apex predator of the elk, deer, and moose and these ungulates will forever be managed by the wolves. Dead elk, deer, and moose feeds a ton of wildlife.

     
  • Joe D posted at 9:50 pm on Sat, Sep 14, 2013.

    Joe D Posts: 2420

    rReality22 Thank you for the strait forward and informative comment. But we would be better off talking to a fence post. Fence post are smarter that liberals, and they listen better too.

     
  • DG posted at 11:12 am on Sat, Sep 14, 2013.

    DG Posts: 14

    reality 22...You are SPOT ON with your description of these people...I lived close to 20 yrs in the Sun Valley are of central Idaho...I know these types well!

     
  • reality22 posted at 4:40 am on Sat, Sep 14, 2013.

    reality22 Posts: 7

    The examples on Isle Royale tells us that you are ignorant with this comment. You have suckled way to long on the wolf pimp bosom and it is about time you get whined. On Isle Royale wolves ate the moose (down to a few hundred) until they themselves starved...then the moose hit the roof and exploded to the point that (2400 moose) the moose had nothing left to eat and were ransacking the island. .....then a bad winter came and killed off 2000 moose .....they starved! Wolves are real balancers of Nature aren't they? MAN on the other hand could have been part of Nature on that island and kept the moose herd at the 1020 moose science feels is a balance....... this is what our game managers do for wildlife..... Without man nature is and always has been a constant struggle for survival with the highest of highs and the lowest of lows......people that talk "balance" of nature with wolves are either ignorant or purposefully trying hoodwinking the public. Readers,,,,You be the judge. The predator pit created in Yellowstone is not natural in any way shape or form for man has been part of the Natural ecosystems of North America for at least 12000 years.....the Indians that lived along the Upper Yellowstone river were not eating tofu and wearing polyester bonnets. They were killing animals for food and clothing all 10 million of them when whiteman arrived.

     
  • reality22 posted at 4:30 am on Sat, Sep 14, 2013.

    reality22 Posts: 7

    DG, doodoo is your typical wolf pimp. Wolf pimps such as doodoo typically fall into one OR MORE of the following categories:

    The ones that benefit from a "Donate Now" button being pressed or a book they have written.

    The ones that are on the Government dole and benefit from the increase tax dollars being spent cleaning up after these vermin or additional funding for studies and management.

    The ones that benefit from the gross amount of tax dollars being spent on litigation like EAJA dollars we spend on rich environmental lawyers.

    Or, the ones that have a bigoted hate for sportsman, ranchers and/or farmers.

     
  • reality22 posted at 4:08 am on Sat, Sep 14, 2013.

    reality22 Posts: 7

    Yup, real balance....On Isle Royale they ate the moose (down to a few hundred) until they themselves starved...then the moose hit the roof and exploded to the point that (2400 moose) the moose had nothing left to eat.....then a bad winter came and killed off 2000 moose .....they starved! Wolves are real balancers of Nature aren't they. MAN on the other hand could have been part of Nature on that island and kept the moose herd at the 1020 moose science feels is a balance....... this is what our game managers do for wildlife..... Without man nature is and always has been a constant struggle for survival with the highest of highs and the lowest of lows......people that talk "balance" of nature with wolves are either ignorant or purposefully hoodwinking the public. You be the judge. The predator pit created in Yellowstone is not natural in any way shape or form for man has been part of the Natural ecosystems of North America for at least 12000 years.....the Indians that lived along the Upper Yellowstone river were not eating tofu and wearing polyester bonnets. They were killing animals for food and clothing.

     
  • reality22 posted at 3:54 am on Sat, Sep 14, 2013.

    reality22 Posts: 7

    I would hope that wolf number decline.... all the good habitat is full. These animals Never live well around people. NEVER!

     
  • Joe D posted at 4:36 pm on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    Joe D Posts: 2420

    To all the Anti-Wolf hunting liberals. Wolf hunting IS LEGAL so get use to it...

     
  • TWG posted at 4:19 pm on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    TWG Posts: 24

    Statewide wolf hunting is now open and runs through March in Idaho. Now get out there and do your part!

     
  • DG posted at 12:57 pm on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    DG Posts: 14

    Great posts skippadoodoo...you certainly prove my point by your emotional rants !! all how you "feel to be true"...not much fact though...

     
  • skippadoodoo posted at 12:32 pm on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    skippadoodoo Posts: 25

    150 animals in the entire state is not a viable population. That is what Idaho F&G and the Feds agreed to. That was part of the reintroduction plan that was put together over 35 years ago, outdated science. The real issue here is social tolerance (not biological carrying capacity) and politics. Being intolerant has nothing to do with science, especially when that intolerance is based on myths, legends and superstitions which have bred fear and hatred. Being arrogant (humans have the right to treat all animals as they please because we are human) and ignorant of the role Wolves play in a healthy, balanced, functional ecosystem is nothing to be proud of and these are the reasons that Wolves are treated the way that they are. Doesn't have anything to do with science.

     
  • skippadoodoo posted at 12:24 pm on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    skippadoodoo Posts: 25

    And what science might that be? Wolves kill few livestock, do not pose a serious threat to humans and are a necessary part of a healthy, balanced ecosystem. You can't even say this about humans or domestic dogs and yet both of these species seem to be much more important than Wolves are when it comes to human tolerance and perspective.

     
  • skippadoodoo posted at 12:20 pm on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    skippadoodoo Posts: 25

    The same can be said about sport and trophy hunters. Sport and trophy hunters kill everything that they kill for fun, for recreation, for enjoyment (thrill killing). Can't say the same thing about Wolves. Everything a Wolf kills is used by some animal, can't say the same thing about sport and trophy hunters. Sport and trophy hunters (and ranchers) are environmentally destructive by nature, can't say the same thing about Wolves. Sport and trophy hunters (and ranchers) get over $125,000,000.00 of taxpayer money every year (via Wildlife Services) for predator killing, can't say the same thing about Wolves. The list is very long so I'll stop here.

     
  • skippadoodoo posted at 8:30 am on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    skippadoodoo Posts: 25

    And Wolf numbers are declining in every state that has a Wolf hunt (source - State DGF Wolf reports).

     
  • skippadoodoo posted at 8:28 am on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    skippadoodoo Posts: 25

    Elk numbers are up over 40% in the Northern Rocky Mountains since Wolves returned (89,000 in 1994 and over 149,000 in 2012 - source RMEF). Of course Wolves have an effect on Elk populations, that is their primary food source here. That effect is minimal. The same is true with livestock. Wolves kill less than 1/10 of 1% of the livestock that live here (ranchers agreed to a 3% annual loss as part of reintroduction) and kill fewer livestock than Bears, Coyotes, domestic dogs, weather, disease and cattle rustlers (source - USFWS Annual Wolf reports). Wolves do not pose a serious threat to humans ( nobody killed in Idaho in more than 125 years). Laws exist (beyond hunting) that allow folks to protect themselves and their property by killing any animal that threatens them. Outfitters are doing fine, hunter success rates and ungulate numbers are all within management goals. There is no valid reason to indiscriminately kill Wolves. The killing of Wolves through hunting is based solely on social intolerance which is based on myths, legends and superstitions and not on current, fact based science. That is the problem and that is why local management of the species is inappropriate. Destroying wild life populations because of hatred and intolerance has no place in 21st Century wild life management.

     
  • bob-athol posted at 6:59 am on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    bob-athol Posts: 171

    It is certainly interesting that y/day, after reading this article, that at my house (athol area) my dogs were going nuts in the morning, something different than the usual deer and occasional bear/moose/elk/porcupine had them all riled up. Something was trying to pull one or more of my dogs into the woods. Because they persisted and the scent/noise was moving around our house, I went out into the tree line and watched a wolf run rapidly across the clearing about 50' in front of me. I confirmed with ID F&G that the wolf population is quite healthy in this area.
    My dogs have found deer carcasses around our place, I cant tell you for sure its wolf as opposed to coyotes but something is is working on the local wild game population. I find it interesting, but not surprising the KEA is supporting predator animal rights now. I've dealt with some of the so called science promoted by environmental groups .... its more like religion and its certainly funny.

    I'm OK with people having differing opinion, the wolf people are entitled to theirs, but when they forcefully impose their opinion upon the rest of us, (via regulations) that's objectionable. I'll have more evidence when some snow sets down of just how much more the area activity has picked up when some snow lays down. We are ok with and enjoy all animals around our place, but we do not worship animals or the earth, ..... and we do need to keep a close eye on predator animal populations.

     
  • Joe D posted at 6:27 pm on Thu, Sep 12, 2013.

    Joe D Posts: 2420

    These people should really spend more time in the back country so they can see what's really going on. Going to Anti wolf hunting rallies, listening to a bunch of clueless bleeding heart liberals, most that do not even live here, teaches them absolutely nothing. I would personally volunteer my time, to take a group of them into the Joe next spring. I would like them to witness first hand, a two or three wolves take down a healthy cow elk, rip her flank open, pull her calf out eat part of it, leave the cow to die a slow death and then move on to their next victim. But be warned, you will have to get out of your vehicles and do some off rode hiking.

     
  • local res posted at 5:55 pm on Thu, Sep 12, 2013.

    local res Posts: 1157

    It is too bad she did not feel the same about the rest of the animals in the woods. She wants science used to manage wolves? I believe that was the case when the Federal Fish & Wildlife wanted to remove them from the list of protected animals and the groups such as Merlyn cried foul and sued to have them placed back onto the list even though science stated that they were ready to be removed from the list.

    If the Kootenai Environmental Alliance, Northern Idaho Wolf Alliance, Adopt A Wolf Pack and Friends of the Clearwater all follow the same attention to science then they loose credibility.

     
  • Patrick Krapfl posted at 10:01 am on Thu, Sep 12, 2013.

    Patrick Krapfl Posts: 13

    "Our current management model is broken and wolves are in the cross hairs," said Merlyn Nelson
    - Merlyn, if this were truly the case, why then are the wolves so plentiful and increasing in numbers every year? I truly feel that your love tor this creature is blinding you to what is really happening in the forests of Northern Idaho. I myself being an avid hunter and outdoors-man have and continue to experience the increasing number of wolves, while witnessing the decreasing number of Deer, Elk, Moose and Bears. Four years ago, my September Elk hunt in the CDA national forest has me encounter numerous Elk, deer and bears. Three years ago I heard the first wolves in the area. This past weekend, I ran into three packs, one of which numbered at least a dozen wolves. The Elk are now tremendously hard to find. I understand you have a love for this creature, but don't let that love be to the detriment of all of the other animals in the forest.

     
  • DG posted at 9:50 am on Thu, Sep 12, 2013.

    DG Posts: 14

    "Our current management model is broken and wolves are in the cross hairs," "Demanding scientific management of predators”

    Great grandstanding! The management plan is based on science. The problem these people and others like them have is the hard science does not agree with their misguided emotional views. No science can possibly be correct if it doesn't support their “feelings”.

     
  • 986crazy posted at 9:20 am on Thu, Sep 12, 2013.

    986crazy Posts: 379

    Know what's good about wolves? Nothing, except maybe target practice. :)

    "Some state officials, hunters and farmers believe the wolf population needs to be managed because they are a threat to other wildlife such as elk and livestock." - DUH!

     
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