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Guns on campus bill passes House

North Idaho senators split on legislation

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Posted: Friday, March 7, 2014 12:00 am

BOISE - The six House members from Kootenai County voted unanimously in favor of the guns on campus bill.

Generally, however, legislators from North Idaho were split Thursday on the vote on Senate Bill 1254, which gained final legislative approval on a 5049 tally in the Idaho House.

Outside Kootenai County, four of the seven House members from legislative districts 1-7 present for the vote cast red lights against the measure.

Reps George Eskridge, R-Dover, and Eric Anderson, R-Priest Lake, joined four Republican colleagues statewide in voting against SB1254. Rep. Shirley Ringo, D-Moscow, also voted against the measure.

Rep. Ron Mendive, a Coeur d'Alene Republican and co-sponsor of the measure, said he voted in favor of the legislation to create a deterrent to those who might think twice about committing violent acts on college campuses if they knew some people there had firearms.

"On college campuses, if there are a few guns around, some person's gonna basically make a splash, go out, try to commit suicide, and take a few people with him," Mendive said. "He'll probably pick a school that didn't have people with guns, or the threat of guns, even if there aren't any guns."

"It's enough to think, well, you know 'I could run into somebody that could stop me,'" Mendive added. "You know what I mean? It's just a deterrent."

Eskridge stressed that he favors the Second Amendment for gun rights, but said that restrictions in some places - such as college campuses - are needed.

"I don't think it's a Second Amendment issue," Eskridge said. "I think it's a policy issue. And when the university presidents, and university students, and people in my district say they're not comfortable with having concealed weapons on campus, because you don't know who's got them, what kind of situation's going to arise, then I've got to support that."

In addition to Mendive, the list of six Kootenai County lawmakers voting in favor of SB1254 included Reps. Vito Barbieri, R-Dalton Gardens; Ed Morse, R-Hayden; Frank Henderson, R-Post Falls; Luke Malek, R-Coeur d'Alene; and Kathleen Sims, R-Coeur d'Alene.

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  • fiepie posted at 8:53 am on Sat, Mar 8, 2014.

    fiepie Posts: 3060

    We know that about 1% of homocides are committed by "mass shootings". So that means the other 99% are most likely not "mass" shootings.
    So we arm half the college, a quarter of the college, a tenth of the college, even one percent of the college but irregardless of the percent armed at thec or more of them is more likely to shoot someone...commit a homocide...than experiencing a "mass" shooting.

    I think they should arm all the college, just think of the possible job openings....

  • rationaldiscussionplz posted at 11:02 pm on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    rationaldiscussionplz Posts: 266

    You misused "whom." Here's a handy guide from The Oatmeal for you.

    As a young voter, the times I support Luke Malek are few and far between. This is one of those times. He did the right thing in this case.

  • Flash Gordon posted at 8:09 pm on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    Flash Gordon Posts: 1678

    "real criminals"? Zimmerman, Dunn, Reeves that , like in the state of Idaho, have a license to kill because some nit wits in the state legislature passed a "stand your ground" law? Couple that with the recently passed carry legislation and anyone in here can predict what the outcome will be when guns come to campus. Good title for a Mad Magazine article with Alfred E. Newman saying "what, me worry"?

  • Righty-O posted at 4:17 pm on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    Righty-O Posts: 501

    Armed with a "pea" shooter compared to people who intend to kill others.. you think a .357 stub noise is going to reach a guy with an SKS, AK-47, AR-15, heck even an unreliable Mack-10 has more range than that .357 stub nose. Even if you carry a .45 cal your range is not better than any of those weapons.. maybe the mack-10. Let say a sniper wants to shoot people and uses a .300 Win mag, who's handgun is going to save them then? Lets say they use a standard 30-.06? a 7mm? a 30-30? a .270? a 338? 30 cal Carbine, 9mm Carbine.. list goes on and on... Let say they forgo the guns and use pipe bombs to take out classes? Who's gun is saving them? No ones.

  • Righty-O posted at 4:10 pm on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    Righty-O Posts: 501

    Have we had a need for armed guards in Idaho? When was the last time we needed a gun on campus? Do those compact .357 shoot as far as an AR-15? Could you defend yourself against someone with body armor, 15 magazines of ammo, and a sub-machine gun? What if there is 3 of them? What happens when you are the first person shot and there is no one to defend all the "poor unprotected fish in a barrel"? Saddens me that the ignorance of some people. Just want to ram guns down everyone's mouth without regards for proper scrutinization of the law and proper enacting of that said law. This is the reason people don't think the thugs in Boise listen... because they don't go on to a college campus, I'm willing to be 20% of student support this.. maybe less.

  • Keven Johnson posted at 3:05 pm on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    Keven Johnson Posts: 1490

    Don't you think that the "wrong" people that might carry a gun on campus with ill intentions will do so anyway, whether it's legal or not? Seems to me that more law abiding people - - the "right" people - - may be armed now that it is legal, and would not have been when it was illegal.

  • RUtaxedenough posted at 3:05 pm on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    RUtaxedenough Posts: 147

    Better to have an unfunded mandate than security guards running around with tasers when the real criminals show up. Any college without armed security shows that local control is lunacy. I am glad the legislators stepped in and gave us individual control. After all none of those college administrators are security experts that I know of.

  • Spikey posted at 1:54 pm on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    Spikey Posts: 387

    The fact that Luke Malek voted for this surprised me as well. I had hopes for him to break out of the northern Idaho mold. Apparently not, sad.

    At the risk of being repetitive, I'll take stupid, hard headed, moronic, brain dead, no common sense, for $800. Alex. What is the Idaho legislator?

  • Righty-O posted at 11:27 am on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    Righty-O Posts: 501

    In addition to Mendive, the list of six Kootenai County lawmakers voting in favor of SB1254 included Reps. Vito Barbieri, R-Dalton Gardens; Ed Morse, R-Hayden; Frank Henderson, R-Post Falls; Luke Malek, R-Coeur d'Alene; and Kathleen Sims, R-Coeur d'Alene.

    I'm really upset that Luke Malek voted for this.. wow sorry man, but you just lost a young voter.. whom voted for you in the past. This is from your OWN website!!

    "Prosperity means economic growth.
    Luke Malek will focus his work on reducing the negative
    impact of frivolous regulation, ensuring that employers have an
    educated workforce and creating jobs to move Idaho forward."

    Improving our future by providing for our children’s education

    "Idaho needs to think outside of the box to provide a second-to-none education to our children without bankrupting the taxpayer. We have begun to do that here in Idaho, but much more can be done."

    Are do you see the Irony in what you are saying?!

  • Righty-O posted at 11:05 am on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    Righty-O Posts: 501

    Gunmen 1, students 0

    Tell me how we are going to make sure that the right people are carrying on campus? Will they register with the College? Will they received a badge that say "I carry"? This still doesn't stop people who wish to do harm from harming anyone. It's like the stats that say the Death Penalty is a deterrence to commit murder. A person who is going to commit the crime is not thinking about the repercussions of the crime. This really only means that it will be harder to determine who is the criminal and who is protecting people when we have an armed confrontation or it means that the criminal will be more apt to arm themselves more with body armor or start making bombs and blowing up whole buildings. Guess we never thought of that have we...

  • 986crazy posted at 9:44 am on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    986crazy Posts: 434

    I view it as No more shooting fish in a barrell 1, Chicken Littles 0.

  • Why Not posted at 8:43 am on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    Why Not Posts: 5326

    FG – I put it in Outlook 

    My conclusion was that public safety on campus is a function of the institution, not the state. While we must protect the rights of law-abiding firearm owners, we also must ensure the right of designated public entities to exercise their best discretion in matters of safety and security.

    Public campuses operate fairly autonomously. This law as I see it takes away the rights institutions to preserve a free and open society. What’s next county ordinances? Oh that’s right, Ed Morse has already introduced just such a bill.

    1254 is an unfunded mandate by the state. I don’t care if it costs NIC $1 or $100,000, it’s not in their budget so the taxpayer will be paying to grant rights to a few individuals who can’t seem to go anywhere without their “precious”.

    By far the most nauseating point of this issue was the Senate not granting “any” public testimony. Having the bill read by the NRA rather than the sponsoring senator and the outright fabrication of truth presented by the senators to the public with respect to concealed weapons carrier statistics, and with respect to the FBI, not report but whitepaper on active shooter events.

    The North Idaho Political Action Committee is having a meet the candidates 12 April at the resort. They plan to back agenda-less Republicans in the primary and I would encourage anyone interested in fixing this mess we have in Boise to attend. Come and ask questions, put these candidates on the spot about ending the social engineering experiment in state government and ask them what they intend to do about revitalizing the sad "state" economy. I am buying ten tickets. Eight will be free at the door, first come first serve - Just mention Why Not :)

  • Miketeague posted at 8:23 am on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    Miketeague Posts: 2626

    NRA money 1, people 0.

  • fiepie posted at 7:07 am on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    fiepie Posts: 3060

    With the "logical" thought being "I could run into someone who might stop me" that leads our legislator to vote in favor of this bill, one would have to conclude we are going to see a drop in home breakins, pawn store and gun store (any store that sells guns) robberies.
    Why knowing there are so many concealed carriers people are going to quit robbing convienence stores and all the rest. There may be someone there to stop, such logic......gotta vote for this dude...

  • Flash Gordon posted at 7:02 am on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    Flash Gordon Posts: 1678

    Why Not.....I hope what you've written about revisiting this in a year actually comes true, that the worst case scenario for which this legislation is supposedly intended never occurs.

    My personal thought is that if an incident on campus does occur. it will NOT be related to what this legislation was intended to prevent but rather over something as common as a "dispute" between individuals. Most likely involving someone who carries and someone who is.....unarmed.

  • parenttoo posted at 5:47 am on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    parenttoo Posts: 115

    Great news. Now adults who have enhanced CCW permits may legally be armed on any State of Idaho college campus.

  • hayden_guy posted at 5:33 am on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    hayden_guy Posts: 400

    Well said pubcrawler.

  • Why Not posted at 5:16 am on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    Why Not Posts: 5326

    "Rep. Ron Mendive, a Coeur d'Alene Republican and co-sponsor of the measure, said he voted in favor of the legislation to create a deterrent to those who might think twice about committing violent acts on college campuses if they knew some people there had firearms." - Well now we know for sure, Medive doesn't research what he supports, or maybe he just can't read.

    The bill was written by the NRA and even introduced in the Senate by NRA representative Dakota Moore, Public comment to the House was overwhelmingly against 1254, but at least the House allowed the public to speak. For 7,5 hours, police, education and Idaho residents spoke against this moo-poo, they passed it without regard.

    We shall revisit this on a year and see what the cost has been to NIC

  • pubcrawler posted at 3:49 am on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    pubcrawler Posts: 85

    I guess I'm not ideologically set up for Idaho. I do not understand a legislature that wholesale refused to honor the unanimous concerns expressed by Idaho's college presidents that this is a poorly written and thought out bill. I also track the concerns of law enforcement that it is going to be impossible for them to distinguish between a criminal shooter and a student or staff member with a gun in a crisis situation. The right to keep and bear arms is critically important in our culture, but this legislation just seems ill-advised. I guess a saving grace could be that if a responsible standard is set and universally enforced for the enhanced concealed carry permit, maybe the general level of maturity and responsibility of those packing will increase. I have a bias from decades working both with the court system and as an educator that the presence of firearms and young people leads to poor decision making and my prediction is that college campuses and neighboring communities will see an increase in heat of passion type shootings simply due to the general inexperience in life and immaturity of alot of students that are going to be carrying on campus. I hope I'm wrong.

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