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Posted: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 1:05 pm

Am I registered? Call the county

It's a bad time for the Idaho Secretary of State's online voter registration verification website, www.idahovotes.gov, to be acting up.

But it is.

We've been told by Kootenai County Clerk Cliff Hayes that the signatures rejected from the recall petitions were disqualified because the signers were not on the list of registered voters living in the city of Coeur d'Alene.

So naturally, since yesterday's news that the recall effort failed to garner enough valid signatures to trigger an election, many petition signers are going online to check their voter registration statuses, and they're not finding themselves listed as registered voters.

I called Carrie Phillips, the county's elections manager, who told me the county's petition signature verification team members did not use Idaho Votes information when checking the recall petitions. The county has its own access to the statewide database.

That's good, because I know I'm a registered voter, and I am nowhere to be found on www.idahovotes.gov's database.

I called the Idaho SOS's elections office and the woman who answered the phone couldn't find me either. Then, she couldn't find herself.

I do know I am in the county's database of registered voters because Phillips looked me up, and there I was, listed as living where I do, in Hayden.

Someone at the state elections office is supposed to get back to me to discuss their site.

In the meantime, Phillips encourages anyone with questions or concerns about their voter registration status to contact the county's elections office at (208) 446-1030 or in person, 1808 N. Third St., Coeur d'Alene.

 

- Maureen Dolan, mdolan@cdapress.com

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15 comments:

  • concernedcitizen posted at 6:54 am on Thu, Jun 21, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    Rationale

    "Seems to me if the only people counting were anti-recall, that would be a HUGE conflict of interest and completely biased."

    So is purchasing property while being a seated board member
    So is to not recuse ones self for conflict of interest
    So is rubber stamping questionable voting to keep a YES man in that is employed by a stakeholder
    So is mayor and council wanting an advisory vote on a FREE downtown garden from private sector but NOT McEuen
    The list goes on.

    Welcome to north Idaho. Sadly ROFLMBO!

     
  • Rationale posted at 9:59 am on Wed, Jun 20, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Humanist & Mr. English,

    I missed the post and am fully responsible for the error. My deepest apologies. And Humanist, thanks for keeping me in line...

    Onto your responses, Mr. English:

    1) They used deputy clerks and likely didn't take into account where they might have stood on the recall anymore than which party they may belong to.

    Are you asserting that if the entire staff was anti-recall, that wouldn't be a cause for concern? Seems to me if the only people counting were anti-recall, that would be a HUGE conflict of interest and completely biased. Why not just let the mayor do it herself?

    2) "I don't know if they would be called but that would not normally be part of the process."

    So someone's signature could be wrongfully and preemptively be dismissed? In fact, numerous people could be wrongfully dismissed. And everybody thinks that is o.k....that this is normal?

    3) "Like in every elections office in Idaho, these are lay people working for the clerk's office who do a laymans examination of the signatures. If in doubt they would check with their supervisor. There is no provision and it would not be in any way practical to have handwriting experts review the thousands of signatures that are examined in every election cycle."

    So an obviously unqualified can make an assumption about a signature...because that is what it is...an assumption...not call the person to verify, and simply throw it out? Seems to me if a signature is being tossed because a third party didn't think that person signed it, that person should be notified (and every person under similar circumstances) BEFORE any "certification" or results are tendered by the clerk! It should not be up to the citizen...it should be up to the verifier to..wait for it...verify! And verify means "To prove the truth of by presentation of evidence or testimony; substantiate." So what "evidence" do they have if they did not contact the person? NONE...they have opinion only.


    4) I don't know what kind of report will come out. This has never been a similar high profile signature campaign during the 15 years I was Clerk but I'm confident Mr. Hayes and his staff will provide whatever information is required of them that they have the ability to compile and release.

    At least they released the signatures.

    5) Of course these were not votes that were rejected but signatures for recall elections to be able to come to a vote. An individual could likely inquire to see if their signature was accepted but I would doubt if the Clerk's office would have the resources to contact everyone as to the final status of their signature.

    I used "votes" loosely...this was a pseudo vote...a vote of no confidence.

    Now, for my last question which has not been answered:

    How can the databases not match? Sorry, but Kootenai county's database must match state data...they cannot be different. And as a registered voter, how can they trust this outcome when the "idaho votes" website conveniently "crashes" after people start questioning whether their vote is counted. Seems to me one could argue that it was down so that the missing signers that were tossed could be added to make everything appear legitimate.

     
  • cd1013 posted at 6:29 am on Wed, Jun 20, 2012.

    cd1013 Posts: 244

    Thank you Ms.Dolan for the clarification. If the idahovotes site is fixed they didn't do a very good job because as of this morning I'm still not listed. Regardless of that I downloaded the petitions and found that on the one I looked at, (Mayor Bloem's) I was given an OK so my signature counted. I'll be checking the others. Once again thanks for a prompt reply.

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 2:49 am on Wed, Jun 20, 2012.

    LMYCDA Posts: 2288

    @local res...you are so correct, "SOMETHING DOES STINK HERE" and the recall folks should DEMAND a new count immediately!! And, not with Jennifer or Sarah. A third party.

     
  • local res posted at 11:01 pm on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    local res Posts: 1165

    I just tried to verify my registration. I voted in the primary election but at 11:00 pm on June 19, 2012 my name is missing. Tomorrow i will check with the county. Something is beginning to stink here!

     
  • Humanist posted at 9:20 pm on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3207

    Quote Rationale: "Just make that question number six that I can't get answered. Without provocation (because I never heard of him) Dan English chimed in to give me a personal election speech, but then I ask my questions, and he disappears. What a shock!"

    Yes he did personally answer your questions. I think you cross-posted it to more than one comment thread and he answered it in only one.

    http://www.cdapress.com/news/local_news/article_17ad31f6-b822-11e1-8827-001a4bcf887a.html#comment-c6f991d2-b9d4-11e1-8d4a-3cd92bf1cd98

     
  • Humanist posted at 9:18 pm on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3207

    Ah, there I am. I was not on Idaho Votes last night.

    Quote concernedcitizen: "Shouldn't there be a recount if it has been fixed?"

    They didn't use that site or data during the signature verification process. From the article:

    "I called Carrie Phillips, the county's elections manager, who told me the county's petition signature verification team members did not use Idaho Votes information when checking the recall petitions. The county has its own access to the statewide database."

    My summary: The County and Idaho Votes web site use the same source data from the State. The Idaho Votes online access system was buggy. The County, however, had a full and valid copy of the data that was used for the signature verification. Please do not equate the two.

     
  • Dan English posted at 9:12 pm on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    Dan English Posts: 185

    Actually I did respond to you Rationale but had to do it after my work schedule allowed last night but I guess you had already given up on me.

    I made an honest attempt to give you my background but thought it would be more appropriate to disclose I was a candidate than to have someone say I was hiding that. So I guess you can make your own mind up about me and my motives for trying to answer your question as I did.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 8:51 pm on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    Shouldn't there be a recount if it has been fixed?

     
  • posted at 5:50 pm on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    Posts:

    cd1013: The county's database, accessed at the county elections office, is the statewide database of Idaho registered voters. This is what the county used to check the signatures.

    This is different from the Idaho Secretary of State's Idaho Votes website which is accessible to the public, and was not functioning properly earlier today. Idaho Chief Deputy Secretary of State Tim Hurst explained to me that the information from the statewide database is transferred to the Idaho Votes website, and a glitch led to some registered voters' information being dropped. This has since been rectified.

    There has been no problem with the state's database accessed at the county elections office.

     
  • cd1013 posted at 4:58 pm on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    cd1013 Posts: 244

    So Ms.Dolan I am wondering is Mr. Hayes lying? In two different articles published by this newspaper Mr. Hayes stated that they used the State's list of registered voters. Now today Ms. Phillips is contradicting those statements made by Mr. Hayes by saying signatures were verified through the county's database!! I ask why are some saying they are listed at Idahovotes.gov and others, (including me) are not. Seems like if it is "acting up" it's sure being pretty selective. What is the truth? Please ask Mr. Hayes why his manager is contradicting his statements. Inquiring minds would like to know. Thanks

     
  • the floorist posted at 3:56 pm on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    the floorist Posts: 331

    Hayes used the State data for obvious reasons...

    ...only Timeless and her "spouse" are listed as registered voters...lol

     
  • stebbijo posted at 3:47 pm on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    stebbijo Posts: 49


    Call your Senator - don't mess around.

     
  • Ziggy posted at 3:42 pm on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    Ziggy Posts: 1284

    If Hayes used the state database, then this calls for a recount of the recall signatures to compare them with the county's database.

     
  • Rationale posted at 3:22 pm on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    How convenient...the databases don't match.

    So what's the web address for their own database so people can check? And there must be some sort of regulation that says the state has access to this information as well, because both the state records and county records should match...since the state supposedly has a list available by county.

    And since we can't trust the state's database, we are supposed to trust the county's? Huh?

    This sounds like "Back to School" with Rodney Dangerfield:

    "He's not on our regular roster...he's on our substitute roster. But I don't have that information with me right now. But I promise I'll get it to you."

    Just make that question number six that I can't get answered. Without provocation (because I never heard of him) Dan English chimed in to give me a personal election speech, but then I ask my questions, and he disappears. What a shock!

    Nothing to see here...just move along...nothing to see here!

     
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