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Pro-wolf people hold vigil, call for end to killings

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Posted: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 12:15 am

COEUR d'ALENE - Kathy Stewart calls her green van the "Wolfmobile."

She wears T-shirts and coats with pictures of wolves.

She says the wolf is her guardian.

So, the message she wanted to deliver to the Idaho Department of Fish and Game on Monday about wolves was not surprising.

"Stop killing them."

"Get education about the wolf. Don't go out and kill it because you can," she said before a candlelight vigil at Independence Point.

Stewart, joined by husband Glen wearing his wolf T-shirt, was one of about 10 people who took part in the event organized by the Northern Idaho Wolf Alliance.

They carried signs that read, "Exterminated, Endangered, Eradicated again," "No to wolf slaughter," and "The big bad wolf was framed."

One sign had a picture of a wolf, with the words, "Would you torture this?"

The vigil was "to honor 337 fallen Idaho and Montana wolves, and protest this war against wolves" on the night of "The Full Wolf Moon."

According to a press release, more than 200 of Idaho's wolves have been killed by hunters in four months.

"With IDFG's goal being to eliminate all but 150-200 wolves in the entire state, perhaps 400-500 wolves could still be in the crosshairs, and the season won't end until June 30 in some areas," the release said. "That means a 10-month long season, even hunting wolves while they are trying to raise their puppies."

Lanie Johnson of Sandpoint said wolves are critical to the ecosystem.

She said talk that wolves are dangerous to man, kill for sport and are decimating elk populations is "a myth that got started, that people have gone crazy with."

Wolves, Johnson said, are like people. They have families, they take care of their young, they stick together.

"They're very smart," she said.

Not so, said Ryan Caudill of Coeur d'Alene, who arrived at the vigil to protest the pro-wolf demonstration.

Caudill, who carried a sign that read, "Save an elk, kill a wolf," said he has found wolf kills while hunting. The Montana mule deer population has "dropped drastically" because of wolves, he said.

Wolves have killed hunting dogs, too, he said.

"We dog hunt, dogs die," he said.

Lloyd McLougihn debated the role of wolves with vigil participants Monday.

"Why do we want to listen to them about how wolves are so good?" he said.

He said the wolves in Idaho are from Canada, and far different from the population that once roamed the mountains.

"We don't want these wolves here - they eat all our animals," he said.

Ann Sydow, member of the Northern Idaho Wolf Alliance, said the public needs to know how wolves are being hunted. They're being shot and trapped, she said, adding that trapping is cruel.

"I think if more people knew what was really happening, I think they would be really outraged," she said.

Sydow said wolves are not random killers of anything that comes their way.

She said out of 2.2 million cattle in Idaho last year, only 75 were killed by wolves. Bears and mountain lions are more likely to kill people, she said.

"They're by far the least dangerous predator out there," she said. "They're the most beneficial too. They don't see people as prey. They could kill a person. They just don't."

Glen Stewart said the bottom line is, people shouldn't kill wolves.

"If they're going to do anything, go out and learn from the wolf," he said.

IDFG spokesmen could not be reached for comment Monday.

Learn about wolves

n Jim Hayden, regional wildlife manager of the Idaho Department of Fish and Game, will talk about the recent history and management of wolves in North Idaho at 7 tonight at Lutheran Church of the Master at a meeting of the Coeur d'Alene Chapter of the National Audubon Society. The public is welcome.

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116 comments:

  • IChoseNID posted at 8:58 pm on Mon, Jan 30, 2012.

    IChoseNID Posts: 83

    Hunting is the only reason there ARE any deer or Elk left in much of the country. The taxes on guns and ammunition help more game and non game species, than all of the PETA types put together.

    Let Fish and Game do what they're supposed to do. If they think the wolf population needs to be thinned, then so be it.

     
  • summit700 posted at 10:16 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    summit700 Posts: 11

    P.S. Wolfs SUCKI

     
  • summit700 posted at 10:16 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    summit700 Posts: 11

    Well if you would pay attention there is a lot of us wolf haters around. They weren't here when I was born here and I liked it better that way. Your just one voice well thats all any of us are, just stay out of my way and I'll stay out of yours. Thats the problem with this wolf thing, somebody shoots one for eating his beef cow and gets prosicuted for it. Theres only so much a guy can take. Believe me I will shoot them till my dying breath and i don't think that will be for a while. You might want to just leave things alone, it just makes me want to shoot more of them.

     
  • flem posted at 10:21 am on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    flem Posts: 29

    I agree. All this article did was prove just how ignorant wolf lovers really are. frauen

     
  • kathyswoofer posted at 8:20 pm on Sun, Jan 15, 2012.

    kathyswoofer Posts: 45

    Ah, gee, another anti-wolf person.

    Summit. where do you think the wolves originally came from?? They migrated down to Idaho and Montana from the north. You know, Canada, Alaska. So hence, the wolves here now are indigenous to the area.

    And they are not dangerous to people. In fact, they are naturally shy of people. They would run from you faster than you would from them. But civilization has pushed its way into more and more areas, making living for any wild animal a challenge. It's too bad that men don't realize the damage they do to the natural habitats of wildlife, and then they blame the wildlife for the problems men created in the first place.

    I am just one voice, but I will continue to defend the wolf until my dying breath.

     
  • summit700 posted at 12:18 pm on Sun, Jan 15, 2012.

    summit700 Posts: 11

    wickerbones,
    You are an idiot. The forest wolf domestic to Idaho and Montana is a lot smaller but these ones are bigger targets.

     
  • summit700 posted at 12:16 pm on Sun, Jan 15, 2012.

    summit700 Posts: 11

    wickerbones,

     
  • summit700 posted at 12:09 pm on Sun, Jan 15, 2012.

    summit700 Posts: 11

    I dont care. They should still all be shot. You keep trying to defend them but anyone with any brains at all knows they are a danger to more than just livestock. All this article did was prove just how ignorant wolf lovers really are.

     
  • kathyswoofer posted at 8:15 am on Sun, Jan 15, 2012.

    kathyswoofer Posts: 45

    WOO-HOO!! Another plus for the wolves. I found out last night, guys, that forest rangers are now saying the dogs attacked in Wallace were attacked by either coyotes or other dogs. It was further investigated by a Montana reporter. So......before you gloat any longer or want to come out and beat me and Ann up....you better check things out a little better. OK?? :>P

     
  • summit700 posted at 2:26 pm on Fri, Jan 13, 2012.

    summit700 Posts: 11

    Wloves kill for fun and waste most of what they kill. I hunt for food, which is getting scarce. I wonder how wolf tastes??

     
  • cougar posted at 9:57 am on Fri, Jan 13, 2012.

    cougar Posts: 230

    confused

    You truly are ignorant aren't you?
    That was a quote from the IDFG in response to wolf lovers saying elk numbers were up you numbskull, not one I made...JEEEEZ!!!!!!!!

     
  • CONFUSED posted at 9:37 am on Fri, Jan 13, 2012.

    CONFUSED Posts: 67

    Dude this was YOUR comments, and I'm the confused one?

    "Here's some more for you from IDFG:

    A recent IDFG study showed that the elk population dropped 57 percent since 2006 in the Lolo Elk Management Zone in north central Idaho. Groen said that wolves are the primary reason for the dwindling numbers of elk. “Wolves took over and became the leading cause of Lolo elk deaths.

    So go try to tell your bull to someone else................."

    I think that pretty much sums up with whom I'm dealing with, your rhetoric is repetitive that you can't remember what you're saying. You also had more quotes, but I think my point is made.

     
  • milburnschmidt posted at 9:14 am on Fri, Jan 13, 2012.

    milburnschmidt Posts: 1160

    Not very original confused. As this column sinks out of sight on the paper so does your entertainment value throwing rent in is the sign of a limited ability to address the subject. If you can come up with something of value you can join our vigil in the wallace article. They didnt see rent either.

     
  • cougar posted at 9:08 am on Fri, Jan 13, 2012.

    cougar Posts: 230

    confused(of course)

    Once again...I cannot have a battle of wits with a unarmed person.
    Go back through my comments and I never once mentioned deer or elk populations. You must be CONFUSED!!!!!

     
  • CONFUSED posted at 8:53 am on Fri, Jan 13, 2012.

    CONFUSED Posts: 67

    Milburn take your meds, you got WAY off topic, don't go towards the light, come back. I did go one sentence off, just to point out the un-natural affection you, joe and cougar have, maybe you 3 should go see the play Rent, huh? Cougar my point, stay with me, about Dalton is all 3 of you go on and on about deer and elk population, when in fact I haven't met a hunter yet who had any problem this year filling their tag. Maybe it's you. I can't deny the wolves attacked those dogs, and I'm not going to, I never once denied that it does happen. My point was and is that killing the wolves without provacation is cowardly.

     
  • cougar posted at 8:28 am on Fri, Jan 13, 2012.

    cougar Posts: 230

    confused(absolutely correct)

    It's hard to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person such as you.
    The deer in Dalton Gardens are probably there because all those transplants(such as yourself) are always feeding them.
    OR, it could be because they are chased into the city limits by predators, and they feel a little safer.

    Jealous of a wolf?? Oh please...............
    I sit on a ridge top with a varmit call and coyotes and wolves if in the area, come running to my position. Now do tell, who out-smarted who?

     
  • milburnschmidt posted at 8:10 am on Fri, Jan 13, 2012.

    milburnschmidt Posts: 1160

    Dear confused dont concern yourself over big words speaking for myself I tend to doze off or lose my train of thought if I spend time trying to spell the biguns(words that is). I also think punctuation is over blown. Whether you hunt or not is immaterial at this stage of life hunting is fun,,Killing is work,work is bad ergo go sit in the woods,enjoy nature and get in touch with your inner self if you believe that kind of BS. As for confused shame on you throwing in a ringer to change the bleeping subject No latent change of life thoughts in this old man I like babes on blades.. I believe Joe and I are of that generation that believe you should only have to pay for your own out of wedlock kids and grandkids,pay your own Dr Bills and dont have to break down in tears and write a check for every doofus who cant get thru life without a handout.My personal favorite is babes who are offended in the workplace and want money for a implant job and facelift and another tattoo. to make themselves feel better about their image. Since you are still around you might want to show up on the article on the wolf attack in wallace. Joe and cougar are there waiting to beat up on anni or kathy if they show up. Thats all this is about confused wolves coming to town uninvited and making pests of themselves. Maybe the city of CDA can tax them also if they show up as tuirists to lake city. Come on over to the wallace story its going to be a good day.

     
  • CONFUSED posted at 7:23 am on Fri, Jan 13, 2012.

    CONFUSED Posts: 67

    I finally got it on the way to work today, Joe, Cougar and Wilburn are JEALOUS of the wolves. At first all you three keep regurgitating is how there's not as much elk, deer, etc. in the woods these days. Then you threw in some rhetoric about wolves will start killing people, probably for the fear factor. But underneath it all is JEALOUSY. You got outsmarted by an animal, ouch! If the wolves are killing deer and elk, then why not too long ago the press had an article about ALL the deer in Dalton Gardens?Just a side note: I said I'm a non-hunter by choice, there for you A$$umed I never go into the woods.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:09 am on Fri, Jan 13, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    confused, you'll stay that way about this until youcomprhend how an entire drainage that USED to be full of elk i snow empty because wolves knocked them down for sport.
    Comparing hunters with wolves is just a moronic way of looking at it, but it leigitimatley shows your anti-hunter liberal bias.

    See, to explain it to you in child like terms, since you need them, hunters are limited by their LICENSE. They can't go out & kill elk & deer, leaving them to rot on the ground, 4 to 7 a day, year round. Wolves, on the other hand, do this, and FULLY DESTROY entire herds of elk, and populations of deer. The proof is EVERYWHERE wolves are at. If you JUST go into the woods, where wolves are, you will find alomst NO deer or elk.
    I wonder why?

    You said "wolves eat what they kill".
    FALSE. The knock down MOST of what they kill & eat NOTHING.

    The BEST conservationists are HUNTERS. Why?
    Because they want to be ABLE to have successful hunts, so they work hard to ENSURE that there are animals in the woods TO hunt. Environmentalists, "wolf lovers" have zero clue, as they never GO into the woods, preferring to live their lives & beliefs through books & communists that teach in our colleges.

     
  • cougar posted at 5:45 am on Fri, Jan 13, 2012.

    cougar Posts: 230

    confused:
    Yea..... everyone these days have lived in Idaho their WHOLE LIFE. Wrong!!!! Just to ashamed to admit you're a transplant from where-ever.

     
  • CONFUSED posted at 7:58 pm on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    CONFUSED Posts: 67

    I would explain my screen name to you but I get the feeling "big" words and "logic" is something that most of you lack. So on to the next...as I stated I've lived here my entire life and have never came across a wolf, so the argument of coming at small woman (thank god the big women are safe), children makes no sense. Wolves kill for sport? What do hunter's kill for? The wolf eats what it kills, which is more than
    i can say for most hunter's I know. I would someone to tell me another reason for killing other than the some old recycled rhetoric that most of your father told you. Now my last thought....... I'm a little concerned for JoeIdaho, he seems a little to enthusiastic when it comes to Milburn, anything you want to confess to?

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:00 pm on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Milburn, we can extend the terms of office for you, if you would ONLY serve!!!!
    We can get kathywoofer to be your spokesman....or maybe not.

    Cougar, your help & support are invaluable.

    Thank you for serving our Nation.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 5:58 pm on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Wolves kill for SPORT. They wipe out dogs, elk, deer, for the FUN of it. After they are done, and they have no more to kill, they WILL kill children, small women, and eventually men.
    This has been happening for THOUSANDS of years. Woves ARE our NATURAL enemy. They kill the food we would/should eat, and we are ABOVE them on the food chain.
    The more of them that lay not breathing, the happier I get

     
  • milburnschmidt posted at 1:29 pm on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    milburnschmidt Posts: 1160

    Dear CONFUSED I understand now how you got your user name cant help you sorry.

    Dear Kathy sorry you are sad and hurt I am signing you up for a Cabelas hunting catalog and as a bonus a Bass Pro marine catalog to ease your pain. In our younger days Joe,Cougar and I were a sucker for a sad story and a weepy babe. Now thanks to a breakdown of our impulses and old age we are immune to womens tears real or faked. Besides there is a glut on the market of women out of sorts wondering who they really are and offended at lifes treatment... . When you wrestle with pigs you get muddy and the pigs love it. We are old and bad and no improvement in sight. We are no good for you Kathy treat us as a bad taco supreme at Taco Bell and dispose of us accordingly. Get a tattoo ,lift some weights and punch it all out on a speed bag,frolic in a full moon and it will all go away.

     
  • kathyswoofer posted at 1:25 pm on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    kathyswoofer Posts: 45

    Thank you, Confused, for not being one of those that says, "Kill all the wolves!!" That is really refreshing.

     
  • cougar posted at 12:53 pm on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    cougar Posts: 230

    Don't have ta track em'. Varmit calls bring em' right in to ya. If that don't work, we sick Wilburn after em' and by golly here they come just a scootin' and a gettin'.

     
  • CONFUSED posted at 12:38 pm on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    CONFUSED Posts: 67

    First things first, I am lifelong N. Idaho resident, non-hunter (by choice). I am amazed how much attention and passion this subject has raised. I follow the blogs and this topic gets 3x as much comments as the rest. The other topics regarding child abuse, domestic violence, sexual assualt. get a dozen or so if lucky. Why is that? One more question, if the arguement to kill wolves is that they kill other game, then couldn't the arguement be mad to kill hunters, since they also kill game. Now don't get me wrong, I'm in no way condoning killing humans. But my point is that the excuse to kill wolves seems regurgatated and not very unique. Atleast be honest and say that it gives you a thrill to sit in your tree stand, drink coffee, talk about nascar and have a wolf "accidently" come across your path, as opposed to you actullay tracking the animal.

     
  • cougar posted at 12:08 pm on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    cougar Posts: 230

    Milburn
    That's why your the Pres., Our fearless leader. Diplomacy at its finest.

    I used to go with a gal that during our intimate time(if ya know what I mean)she would start howling. Wait, come to think about it that would only happen during a full moon. HUMMMM!!!!
    Oh shet, I gotta go guys, I gotta check for bite marks. I don't want to turn into one of them.

     
  • kathyswoofer posted at 11:54 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    kathyswoofer Posts: 45

    Nope, not a gvmt job, wouldn't want it.

    And you say you guys are just joking around. But do you know how bad your words cut someone, and make them think they are doing something bad when they start out feeling good about the causes they fight for? I have been feeling really sad about the way I look at things because of the hurtful joking you do. Shame on you.

     
  • milburnschmidt posted at 11:31 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    milburnschmidt Posts: 1160

    Well good morning Kathy nice to hear you are active, Im 75 and I have no bad feelings about being home living the good life since I worked hard all my life,didnt get divorced,saved my money have a generous pension I worked for and stayed healthyWork is over rated if you dont have to.. I feel I am doing my patriotic duty staying out of the work force so someone who needs a job can find one. After working for enough boneheads in my life why on earth would I look for new ones.Why would they hire me? I suppose I could get a job as a Wal mart greeter but they wouldnt let me growl at people and I hate crowds. Cleaning tables at Mac Donalds is also not a option.We are not putting you down but poking fun at your belief in wolves. If we didnt you might get the wierd idea we were in sympathy with you. Since you keep reading our comments and taking them seriously which few do I think you might enjoy being teased.We are in a position we dont have to be politically correct or pretend we live to save the world and the planet. You are no spring chicken and know that curmudgeons like me and joe and cougar enjoy being outrageous while on the inside we are cute cuddly little critters whose interests have gone from old babes to cabelas catalogs. That said do you think you could pass out some milburn for president leaflets at your wolf vigils there might be a cabinet post in it for you on annimal affairs. And shame on you for corresponding with us while at work must be a Govt job.

     
  • cougar posted at 11:10 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    cougar Posts: 230

    JoeIdaho and milburn can sit at home in luxury. Wolf pelts are bringin' good money these days.

    And milburn is president, he gets lots and lots of contributions,
    and he shares with the V.P., the honorable JoeIdaho. What a guy.

    Hey isn't that the same thing Obama does. Sit at home on his duff doin' nothin' and gettin' paid for it?

     
  • kathyswoofer posted at 10:39 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    kathyswoofer Posts: 45

    It must be nice to stay home, read the newspaper, and put people down, instead of working for a living, which some of us have to do. And, the Wolfmobile is still up and running, but now parked at my job. And Ann is working too. Must be nice to live the life of luxury, not a care in the world. Huh, Joe and Milburn?

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 10:34 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    A whole new view of Seniors opens right before my eyes....
    So, you're telling me if I see a little hotty talking to an older guy (who I KNOW is faking the "injury") it must be you??

    I don't blame ya.

     
  • kathyswoofer posted at 10:31 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    kathyswoofer Posts: 45

    It must be nice to sit at home like Joe and Milburn do, read the newspaper, and find people they can criticize and put down. Must be nice not to have to worry about working or supporting one's family. I guess I am one of the lucky ones, have a job and still dream. Be president, wouldn't dream of it!!

     
  • milburnschmidt posted at 10:28 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    milburnschmidt Posts: 1160

    Thanks again for your support Joe and Cougar looks like we are the last person standing on this issue. The wolfmobile pulled out and anni went to bed so I think Wilburn and I will start our spring training. When walking the beltway wilburn trips me with his leash when some hot blade girls approach and I get to let the girls help me up with you poor old man are you OK. Wilburn hits on their labs even though he is fixed. If things get slow I,ll light up a candle and go listen for Kathy howling on the point. WOO WOO

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 9:33 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    (Sniff sniff)....I'd still vote for you, Milburn.
    Yuor leadership is exemplary, and you're a real "no nosense" kind of person.
    (Especially like the "wolf pups in a microwave" comment, made me smile)

    We'd never let you down, Milburn, we'll stand toe to toe with all (10!!!) of the wolf loonys, holding up signs that say things like "Wolf Dinner!" and the ever infamous "Wolf's for lunch" or "Got Wolf?"

     
  • milburnschmidt posted at 9:08 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    milburnschmidt Posts: 1160

    My friends I am deeply touched by your comments and suggesting I run for presidennt on a do no harm ticket. In the interest of full disclosure I have a checkered past that would destroy me. It would be like shooting wolf pups in a micro wave oven. Mrs Milburn who cant remember what she bought at the grocery store today or what we had for dinner last can still remember every silly little innocent mistake I made in my youth, SirHan SirHan or Ted Bundy had a better chance of getting off probation than I do. Any discussion of my days on the PPD or my adventures under todays standards would qualify me for a cabinet position in Obamas administration and permanent residency on my leather couch.. I just read on the drudge report Big Sis and Big O are monitoring newspaper sites and blogs looking for fresh meat to keep tabs on. Since the CDA press is not printed in arabic also I think they are looking for and storing folks who wouldnt cry at Obamas re election or funeral like they did in north korea..Its also noteworthy that every time I tried to scroll the list to see the papers names and web sites my computer froze up. I kid you not HMMMMM. Again I thank you patriots for your support and when the girls s tart rollerblading the beltway again in spandex Wilburn and I will be proud to patrol the lakefront on varmit control. In case I change my mind about running do you kiss the mamas or the babies?

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 7:35 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Man, I was wrong.
    YOU are the genius, Cougar.
    Great idea. We could even be generous, and give each of the "wolf peoples" (2) skins....they'll feel right at home.

     
  • cougar posted at 6:37 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    cougar Posts: 230

    JoeIdaho,

    It jest dawned on me when the sun came up.
    milburnschmidt, the Pres.(and Wiburn of course) can tan the hides. That away we can donate them to those there people that rally for the wolf in them there frigid cold nights to keep em' warm. Heck, we only need ten hides and the rest we can sell to the tourists at the Cd's resort in the summertime for cash to buy more ammo and skinnin' knifes. Purdy good idea, huh??????

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:32 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Cougar, with you 10,000%.

    Didi you know that we could go to Clark Fork, where the wolves are IN TOWN on a regular basis?
    You know, the SAME wolves that "fear humans" and are scaredy cats?

    Sing along with me now:

    Oh a wolf in my sights
    Looks the best when standing still
    A wolf in the night
    looks best as roadkill

    I accept my nomination as VP of your Organization, and am lucky to serve under neath the mighty Milburn, our venerated leader. Under his guidance & leadership, we can hopefully save about a (billion) deer & elk this year.
    Our Sargeant At Arms is out patrolling the high mountains, every day Idahoans get safer, wolves get deader.

     
  • cougar posted at 6:05 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    cougar Posts: 230

    JoeIdaho'
    What da ya think?

    Let's start an organization called (now stay with me on this,) "THE NORTHERN IDAHO WOLFERS ALLIANCE."
    I nominate milburnschmidt as president (Wilburn as mascot of course), You (JoeIdaho) as V.P. and I get to be Sargent at Arms.
    Now milburnschmidt and Wilburn can patrol the out skirts of town, you and your 7mm can patrol halfway up the mountain and because (mine is bigger than yours) gun that is, will patrol the high ridges.
    You being V.P. will have to watch milburnschmidt and(Wilburn) in case the old fart gets a hitch-in-his-get-along and you have to drag him back to town on a sled.(Made of wolf hides of course).
    Then at the end of the day we could all have a (howling good time) at the local watering hole known as (Wolf Lodge at Wolf Creek). Get it.........the more wolves the better.

    P.S.
    I'll buy the ammo
    You supply the skinning knives
    milburnschmidt (Mr. President, and Wilburn) will have to supply????
    O-the heck with it, let's jest go out and do some killin' of wolves,what da ya thunk??

     
  • capnbutch posted at 5:07 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    capnbutch Posts: 729

    A great many educated, intelligent, experienced people have good reason to take the opposite position and want wolves eradicated. On the surface, it is just one of those questions that honest people ask.

    Unfortunately there have are a few horridly rich left-wing people who take over the media aspect of wolf "protection." Just because Ms. Stewart wears T-shirts and bluejeans doesn't mean she isn't far more wealthy than the rest of us. Anybody here own any land? Anybody here have the kind of income that his/her parents had?

    Things have gotten crazy. I see below that at least one person feels that you can legally shoot an animal that threatens your family or pets. Unfortunately, this is not true, witness the terribly expensive legal attacks on a man near Sandpoint who shot an "endangered" bear in the rush to save family last year.

    There are claims that wolves have never killed a human. That. of course, is a profoundly false claim, perhaps part of the fury to keep the wolves moving.

    Even if you are not fined and imprisoned for protecting your family, the harassment is colossal and unending.

    I cannot say that there is a solution but it does help to try to see things through the eyes of others.

     
  • cougar posted at 4:33 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    cougar Posts: 230

    anninidaho

    Sorry to burst you bubble anniebaby, but I was born and raised in Montana, been here 26 years.
    Once again, this debate will never be settled. So once again, you keep trying to save the wolf, and we'll keep killing the wolf....... Stalemate.

    That's about as simple as it gets.

     
  • AnninIdaho posted at 12:32 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    AnninIdaho Posts: 78

    @ JoeSupposedlyIdaho... You say you miss seeing roadkill, and hope every wolf in Idaho dies a long, slow, painful death? Isn't that a little sadistic?

     
  • AnninIdaho posted at 12:30 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    AnninIdaho Posts: 78

    @ JoeIdaho ... In reply to your comment "This year, worse even than LAST year, the elk population is WAY down. WOLVES killed & maimed a lot of elk, and take down a TON of deer"...
    Here it is, again, read it all the way through this time. Perhaps get someone to help you... http://www.rmef.org/Hunting/Features/Articles/ (Link to Rocky Mtn. Elk Foundation's page)

    Idaho
    Elk Population: 103,000
    Bull/Cow Ratio: 23/100
    Nonresidents: license $155, tag $417
    Hunter Success: 19 percent

    "The Selway-Bitterroot Wilderness holds some of the most remote and rugged elk country in North America. If it has long been your stomping grounds as an elk hunter—or even just a dreamed-of destination—these are hard times. Hammered by wolf predation and exacerbated by a long slide in forage quality, elk populations remain far below management objectives in the Lolo and Selway elk management zones and slightly below objectives in the Sawtooth elk zone. Cow elk harvest opportunity has been virtually nonexistent in the Lolo zone for the last 10 years and has been dramatically curtailed in the Sawtooth as well.

    The classic elk country of the Frank Church-River of No Return Wilderness has also become a far stingier place since the reintroduction of wolves there in 1995. But it’s not all bad news. Elsewhere, elk numbers are solid, with populations at or above objectives in 20 of 29 elk hunt zones. The statewide population actually broke a long plummet and rebounded 2,000 animals from last year."

     
  • AnninIdaho posted at 12:26 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    AnninIdaho Posts: 78

    @ Milburn.... yes wolves are bigger than pit bulls but they are scaredy cats ; D lol

     
  • AnninIdaho posted at 12:22 am on Thu, Jan 12, 2012.

    AnninIdaho Posts: 78

    @Milburn... you CAN legally shoot a wolf that threatens you or your pets. Even when they were on the Endangered Species List, there was never a time that you could not legally kill a wolf in defense of yourself or another person. Thats a huge misconception.

     
  • milburnschmidt posted at 10:47 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    milburnschmidt Posts: 1160

    ANNI you asked the right question and its the key to most peoples problems. So I will be nice and respectful .. When those other annimals come to town they can be disposed of if necessary. If you shoot at a wolf to scare it off or heavens forbid shoot one if you felt threatened you will be in for years of a hassle from the federal Govt And spend a fortune fighting Fish and wildlife.. Years ago a rancher did shoot a wolf on his property while it was killing a calf. His name was Gene Hussey and under the feds rules you could shoot a wolf if it was killing a cow but if the cow was already dead you couldnt shoot it. For over a year biologists and experts argued over whether the cow was dead before the wolf was eating it or it was still alive.. The poor old guy had a heart attack over it and the matter was not resolved until some senators stepped in. The Feds were determined to make a example out of it. they even tried to arrest the sheriff Barsalou for sticking his nose in. Im the biggest annimal lover and wildlife admireryou will ever meet and have no problems with wolves in the back country but I draw the line at the city limits, Most wolf lovers take t he stand they were here first so tough on you.Of course I was here before the canadian wolves were. I have never seen one close yet but I would love to watch them but they must be controlled and managed as all game is. If you have children with pets and a wolf is running in the neighborhood would you put the kids and the dog in the house or try to approach them.When my poodle ATTILA gets out no one cares when a pit bull is loose people disappear inside. Wolves are bigger than pit bulls. The same goes for lions and bears we are used to that and they concern us also. Fish and game can respond to them wolves are a different problem. Its fun to comment on this but I dont get militant over it or worry about it but its jolly good fun tweaking wolf supporters, AS for 007 its bedtime and your questions on hunting ethics and statistics are making me sleepyI dont remember complaining about elk hunting problems but I can tell you the elk now disperse in small bands now and stay on private property more and longer. If you believe fish and game reports on elk populations then you have to accept their reports on predators like wolves thats only fair Now repair your head gasket and have a nice night and go easy on Joe he is nice to me.. And for the lovely KATHY this has all been in good fun and Im certainly not unhappy you were interviewed you can say anything you want and tell that lookalike Santa Claus I still believe in him. Now the night nurse is coming with my go to sleep milburn pill so Im out of here Night.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 10:11 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    I was with people today who USED to hunt the Salmon River area. Not anymore.
    There's few Elk left there, and why????
    WOLVES.

    Here, if you drive up 4th of July pass, you used to see deer, live & roadkill. Not anymore.
    Why?
    WOLVES.

    All of this DRIVEL about wolves being "necessary" is just garbage, about the same garbage as telling us all that "hope & change" from the left is "real".

    Unlike all of you morons that are "wolf lovers", I know hunters. A lot of them.
    This year, worse even than LAST year, the elk population is WAY down. WOLVES killed & maimed a lot of elk, and take down a TON of deer. I guess that's OK with you dolts, just like it's OK to pick winners in the "environmental green" movement like "Solyndra".

    Hopefully every wolf in Idaho dies a long, slow, painful death, about the same as the deer & elk that they knock down for sport. And equally hopefully, some of you greenos are there to watch it.

    Cal007, your username says it all. Very typical of Californians to come here & want to change Idaho to more reflect your "views". Better to take them back to "Cal" with you, and most everyone here will AGREE with that.
    Too bad the ones like you make the rest of the good & decent Californians that move here look so bad.

    Here wolfy wolfy...meet my 7MM. And to THINK you can take EXTRA ONES legally, for FREE!!!
    HAPPY DAY!!!

    Milburn, when you wake up, make my day.....

    "President Milburn"

    Just think of the possibilities, Milburn. We could have "Wolf Hunt Festivals" on Sherman, a brand new "Wolf Taco" restaurant, a new "Wolf Hunter Memorial" where we memorialize the BEST hunters every opening day, along with a "Legacy" hanging board, just like in the old days!
    Hmmm....
    OK, how bout:
    "Wolf Shishkabob House"
    "Dead Wolf Pass" (new name for 4th of July Pass)
    And then give awards for most wolves eaten, etc?
    Me, I'm a genius.

     
  • AnninIdaho posted at 10:03 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    AnninIdaho Posts: 78

    *A HUGE Thank you to Bill Buley and the CDA Press, for running this story, despite the fact that the wolf and its supporters are always under attack.

     
  • AnninIdaho posted at 9:57 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    AnninIdaho Posts: 78

    @ Cougar, of course, you accuse anyone who sticks up for wolves of not being from here. Our group is "The NORTHERN IDAHO Wolf Alliance" and i do live here, and i have been here 11 years . I was born and raised about an hour away from here. Not that its any of your business. The loudest anti wolfers i know of come from CALIFORNIA, NORTH DAKOTA and ILLINOIS.

     
  • AnninIdaho posted at 9:52 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    AnninIdaho Posts: 78

    @ Milburn... you stated that some incidents happened some time when some wolves came into town, or near a town and killed some dogs. Cougars do this, bears do this, heck, moose, deer and elk do this, and they always have. Its part of living in a small town, or in the country, or whatever. Why is it so alarming when a wolf does it??? When they were out of the picture here for 70 plus years, that was not the norm. Just like elk behavior during that time was not the norm. Now they are harder to find because they are learning again to be more on guard , due to the wolves return. Of course this makes them more difficult to find and hunt, but it doesn't mean they aren't there, or there is anything wrong with their behavior. .

     
  • AnninIdaho posted at 9:43 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    AnninIdaho Posts: 78

    @ Cougar... i gave you a link that leads directly to the Rocky Mtn Elk foundation website, and copied and pasted thier Idaho elk report from 2011, which clearly states the elk population in Idaho GREW BY 2000 ANIMALS LAST YEAR. Despite your hysterical claims to the contrary. I don't know how to make it any simpler for you. Are you illiterate? Here it is again:
    http://www.rmef.org/Hunting/Features/Articles/

    Idaho
    Elk Population: 103,000
    Bull/Cow Ratio: 23/100
    Nonresidents: license $155, tag $417
    Hunter Success: 19 percent

    "The Selway-Bitterroot Wilderness holds some of the most remote and rugged elk country in North America. If it has long been your stomping grounds as an elk hunter—or even just a dreamed-of destination—these are hard times. Hammered by wolf predation and exacerbated by a long slide in forage quality, elk populations remain far below management objectives in the Lolo and Selway elk management zones and slightly below objectives in the Sawtooth elk zone. Cow elk harvest opportunity has been virtually nonexistent in the Lolo zone for the last 10 years and has been dramatically curtailed in the Sawtooth as well.

    The classic elk country of the Frank Church-River of No Return Wilderness has also become a far stingier place since the reintroduction of wolves there in 1995. But it’s not all bad news. Elsewhere, elk numbers are solid, with populations at or above objectives in 20 of 29 elk hunt zones. The statewide population actually broke a long plummet and rebounded 2,000 animals from last year."

    Note that even this now anti wolf organization has to admit that the elk population in the Lolo Selway area dropped in the first place due to forage. After the big fires of 1910, the area was perfect habitat for elk, and after the wolves were exterminated in the early 1900's the elk population skyrocketed. But this was not "normal" for the area. 100 years since the Big Burn, now the area is turning to heavy forest again, not habitat capable of carrying many elk. So what would you like to see happen? Perhaps feed them hay? You guys all sound more like elk ranchers than elk hunters. Not every square inch of Idaho needs to have ELK on it so you can shoot them out your truck window -

     
  • kathyswoofer posted at 8:49 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    kathyswoofer Posts: 45

    OK, not it's pick on Ann night, huh? I guess I better make some more comments.

    I am a senior citizen, and proud of it. I have been "around the block", as some say, alot more times than alot of you young people on here. And being an old person, and I am using a quote from a very famous person, "I have a dream". Actually, I have alot of dreams. I dream of world peace so our soldiers don't have to go to other countries to fight for freedom. I dream of a country that doesn't have domestic violence, so wives don't have to go to shelters to get away from abusive husbands. I dream that people don't have to suffer terrible deaths from diseases like cancer, AIDS, and other diseases. I dream of a world where children don't have to suffer the pangs of hunger. And I dream that wolves will be able to live in this state, this country, without having to be shot or trapped "just because."

    Yes, I made a statement about the wolf being my guardian, but I don't worship wolves as my God, I worship God. I believe God put everything here for a reason, including the wolf. And, I believe in guardian angels, and that is what I meant when I said the wolf is my guardian, my guardian angel.

    I am sorry that people are upset because i was interviewed in this paper. But, everyone has a right to the freedom of speech. And all you have done is condemn me for using that right for something I believe in, something that is a dream for me. I guess I could go through and find reason to condemn you all for your right to freedom of speech, but it is your right, your opinion. And you have made your opinions of me loud and clear.

    I do dream for the wolves to be free, I always have. Maybe it will happen (not in my lifetime, apparently), but as long as there are people out there who love wolves as I do, the reality may happen some time. And when it does, I believe I will be smiling down from Heaven, with
    God, and thinking, "Thank you to all of you down there for making one of my dreams come true."

     
  • cal007 posted at 7:52 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    cal007 Posts: 7

    Aaand back to personal insults and non-issue comments. Blow a head gasket? I don't see any exclamation points or insults in my comment. I see some still unanswered questions to you regarding the topic. Maybe it's easier to ignore than to actually have a valid answer for them. Or evade them altogether. 75 documented wolf killed cows...animals that have no defense, no protection, no one looking out for them. Coyotes run off with more newborn calves than wolves do. So do packs of loose dogs. Lots more livestock are killed from other things than they are from wolves. Oh and for the ethical hunters out there...how 'bout those able-bodied MT hunters applying for special licenses for the disabled? I don't think deer seek out humans for shelter...humans hunt them. RMEF has reported there are over 100,000 elk apiece in ID, MT and WY. Hunters can't find 300,000 elk roaming about? Because of maybe 2,000 or so wolves? Too bad you couldn't get into the WY elk harvest at the refuge, they want 2,000 elk taken out of there. It looks like they figure there are 2,000 to be spared and still be ok. Most units in ID are at or above projected elk numbers...how many elk seasons were cancelled because of the lack of elk? One, two units maybe? JoeIdaho...when do think the wolves are going to run out of food? Predators do not kill off their entire prey base, it's never happened in recorded history. But it's going to start some time? Wolves will attack people you say...were any hunters attacked or killed with so many wolf hunters heading out into the wilderness---the wolves backyard? Seems like the perfect opportunity for the wolves to strike back. Yet it hasn't happened. Maybe those hunters were spared because the wolves were off killing 75 cows somewhere else.

     
  • cougar posted at 6:11 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    cougar Posts: 230

    milburnschmidt

    Sorry buddy, I must have lost my head. Can you ever forgive me?

     
  • milburnschmidt posted at 6:00 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    milburnschmidt Posts: 1160

    Hey JOEIDAHO Im down for the night its time for full throttle saloon and reruns of Fantasy Footbal. If I offended anybody else or 007 blows his headgasket again tell them to pick a number and wait in line.

     
  • milburnschmidt posted at 5:54 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    milburnschmidt Posts: 1160

    HI cal I,ll just call you 007 for short if thats OK ? Facts kind of bore me and Im pretty skeptical and I do love it when I offend someone like you and read your outrage. It makes my day. I thought they were kind of cute and needed. I.ll ignore your rant about hunters since others are more interested in those issues than I am. I dont believe I wrote any comments on the hunting problems you wrote about maybe it was those voices again I dont believe I verbally offended Anni I believe I wrote those comments I think there is a difference. Now relax, take a deep breath and get that rage out of you. Some folks take themselves to serious we are having fun. And thank you for the hunting brief it was very enlightning. Were you ever married to Ilovedtwo robots? Hi Joe

     
  • cal007 posted at 5:23 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    cal007 Posts: 7

    Milburn, your comments to anninidaho are crude, insulting and unnecessary. Why can't you offer up facts, info and documentation instead of verbally assaulting someone? Hunters are whining about not getting THEIR elk (how many tags were sold/filled by ID hunters this past season?) and are also complaining about not killing enough wolves. Since hunters should know what they are hunting, elk are migratory animals. They don't stay in one place. They come, they eat, they move on---especially when they run out of habitat---due to human encroachment and/or decrease in food supply. You don't think weather plays a part in their lives? It does to us and to our food sources. Yes, wolves eat elk but the elk are not stupid enough to stand out in open fields any more. I'm pretty sure if I heard ATV's, wolf howls and gun shots I'd get out of sight asap, too. You act as if elk just stand around waiting to be eaten by a wolf...or hopefully so that you can shoot one yourself. Anyway, knock off the personal attacks and stick to the issue.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 5:05 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Milburn, Paul is the only conservative running....I tell you, you'd have my vote; think about it....

    And Ann, Wolves are a DISASTER and they will eventually kill PEOPLE after the game is gone.

    DUH.

     
  • milburnschmidt posted at 4:52 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    milburnschmidt Posts: 1160

    OH COUGAR there you go with facts again thats not fair.Good intentions trump facts. You forgot to mention all the happy little beaver and Bambi and Elsie the elk and all the tree fairies dancing merrily in the riparian areas holding paws and singing KUMBYAH and happy days are here again. Dont be to hard on Ann, her boyfriend hunts and maybe he will kill a nice spike bull,make some elk salammi,peppersticks a couple of beers and make a house mouse out of Ann and they can go wolf hunting and cutting all that new firewood in those shady little riparian refuges.

     
  • cougar posted at 4:07 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    cougar Posts: 230

    anninidaho
    Here's some more for you from IDFG:

    A recent IDFG study showed that the elk population dropped 57 percent since 2006 in the Lolo Elk Management Zone in north central Idaho. Groen said that wolves are the primary reason for the dwindling numbers of elk. “Wolves took over and became the leading cause of Lolo elk deaths.

    So go try to tell your bull to someone else.................

     
  • cougar posted at 3:58 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    cougar Posts: 230

    anninidaho

    Here's some more for you from Yellowstone Park:

    “Counts of northern Yellowstone elk have decreased more than predicted,” wrote White and Garrott, “and counts will likely continue to decrease in the near future given the strong preference of wolves for elk and the high kill rates.”

     
  • cougar posted at 3:44 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    cougar Posts: 230

    anninidaho,
    But you're not from here.

    You said your info came from the RMEF. Bull............

    Directly from the RMEF website:

    RMEF Supports Extended Wolf Hunt in Montana

    MISSOULA, Mont.—The Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation is on record supporting a proposal to extend wolf-hunting seasons in Montana through the end of 2011, and beyond if necessary, until the harvest quota is met.

    In a Nov. 28, 2011, letter to the Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks Department, RMEF President and CEO David Allen wrote, “RMEF believes that it is very important that hunters be allowed as much time as possible during these winter months to harvest the statewide quota of 220 wolves.”

    Allen reminded the agency that elk and other big game herds in certain areas are being significantly impacted by burgeoning wolf populations, along with black bears, grizzlies and mountain lions. RMEF encouraged state officials to actively manage and control predators in these areas.

    All you people do with your false info is make hunters want to kill as many wolves as we can. And guess what? I don't need a worthless tag to do it.

    You're pathetic.

     
  • milburnschmidt posted at 3:41 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    milburnschmidt Posts: 1160

    Anni you sound like a nicelady and we agree hunting for food is OK. Game management is OK also Folks in Yellowstone study a lot of things except each other . As for witch hunts we havent had a season on them for a lot of years. Not many of us want to hop on a broom and chase witches thru the sky. But if you want one my mother in law is in the lutheran nursing home in Piskeyswitch Ill. If you believe the trees are doing fine because of wolves thats fine but I put that report in the birdcage for attila my canary to read and comment on. Some folks have to much time and government money to spend. A lot of folks do studies in Yellowstone and it keeps them out of bars and rehabs and most of us dont take them serious. I believe in natural cycles but bird droppings and dung bugs also help. AS for your wolves I reside in Salmon and Coeur D alene and have since the wolf re introduction. I dont have a Govt grant to document the fact that in the early years of reintroduction a group of local children were sledding on a hill at the edge of town in the city limits . Two of their dogs were attacked killed and drug off in close proximity to town by wolves. Residents with children wewre rightly alarmed., A couple of years ago three wolves were photographed inside the city limits roaming thru yards looking for deer that have taken refuge in town. I have a ranch 2 miles out of town and you can hear wolves howling at night while taking down freshly born calves. These are not all reported and some of your fellow supporters refuse to accept these incidents. All most of us want is game management to keep the numbers down which are guesstimates anyway and to teach those smart little buggers to stay away from residents. AS for picking on women you ladies have equal rights now and can slay your children and beat up your spouses just like the men do. You can also get tattoos be obnoxious and make fools of yourselves like the oppositegender. I think if you read between the lines most of the comments are jokes and are the result a bunch of old geezers who have nothing going on in their lives between recieving their medications and tweaking young ladies like you on the computer. If you are really hung up on hate groups look for in the blogs Jessica the aryan princess who thinks Aryan nazis are cuddly little fuzzballs and great neighbors,
    Sometimes its hard to have minority views.

     
  • VandalJosh posted at 3:28 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    VandalJosh Posts: 106

    Who exactly is anti government here? It is the job of fish and game to control game populations within the state. When the numbers get too high they increase the number of hunting tags and if it drops below expected numbers then they sell less tags. The state should be allowed to control this.

     
  • AnninIdaho posted at 1:37 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    AnninIdaho Posts: 78

    Studies conducted in Yellowstone since the reintroction show a multitude of benefits associated with the return of the wolf. The trees along the streambeds recovered, after being unable to grow for the 70 years wolves were absent from the park. (See "Lords of Nature; Life in a Land of Great Predators." Wolves keep grazers on the move, so they don't stand around like feedlot cattle and destroy an area and then move on. Shade provided by these new trees created healthier streams and better habitat for fish. The new trees also provided for beavers, who rebounded from just one colony to twelve in the first ten years after the wolf reintroduction. The beavers of course created ponds, which in turn provided habitat for many creatures who can only live in riparian areas like that. With the wolves taking coyote numbers down (they won't tolerate coyotes) pronghorn antelope numbers increased, because coyotes prey heavily on their fawns. Yellowstone biologists documented at least 12 other species in the park who benefitted from wolf kills alone.
    We NEED wolves , to save our environment! We are not anti - human ; we are pro-environment! And that will save us all in the end, not thoughtless use and abuse of our land and wildlife. And this is truly a grass roots movement as well, with all the work done by people who truly care, and dig into their own pockets on a regular basis.

     
  • AnninIdaho posted at 1:23 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    AnninIdaho Posts: 78

    @ Milburn...you have every right to hold a vigil "for dogs and cats and deer turned into roadkill." And I for one, wouldn't make fun of that. The whole point is that there is a war being waged on a species, and for no good reason. Its not "hunting" I have no problem with actually hunting for food. My boyfriend hunts all the time and eats game almost every night. The only kind of hunting being done here is along the lines of a witch hunt. Fear, myth, hysteria; all promoted by anti wolfers, and they definetely share all the traits of a hate group.
    And they have a long, long history of picking on women... that says alot.

     
  • AnninIdaho posted at 1:14 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    AnninIdaho Posts: 78

    Kathy and everyone else there had the fortitude to stand up and do something for what they believe in. You haters shiver in your trucks while fully armed, afraid of wolves.... lol

     
  • AnninIdaho posted at 1:13 pm on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    AnninIdaho Posts: 78

    JoeIdaho wrote: "Annin, you live in fairyland yourself.
    You quote sources as saying that "elk populations are increasing" but do you have ANY real knowledge of this?
    NOPE. "
    Well, Joe i got my facts from one of your own organizations; the Rocky Mtn. Elk foundation. They keep track of elk numbers for ppl like you. Here ya go: http://www.rmef.org/Hunting/Features/Articles/

    Idaho
    Elk Population: 103,000
    Bull/Cow Ratio: 23/100
    Nonresidents: license $155, tag $417
    Hunter Success: 19 percent

    "The Selway-Bitterroot Wilderness holds some of the most remote and rugged elk country in North America. If it has long been your stomping grounds as an elk hunter—or even just a dreamed-of destination—these are hard times. Hammered by wolf predation and exacerbated by a long slide in forage quality, elk populations remain far below management objectives in the Lolo and Selway elk management zones and slightly below objectives in the Sawtooth elk zone. Cow elk harvest opportunity has been virtually nonexistent in the Lolo zone for the last 10 years and has been dramatically curtailed in the Sawtooth as well.

    The classic elk country of the Frank Church-River of No Return Wilderness has also become a far stingier place since the reintroduction of wolves there in 1995. But it’s not all bad news. Elsewhere, elk numbers are solid, with populations at or above objectives in 20 of 29 elk hunt zones. The statewide population actually broke a long plummet and rebounded 2,000 animals from last year."

    Note that even this now anti wolf organization has to admit that the elk population in the Lolo Selway area dropped in the first place due to forage. After the big fires of 1910, the area was perfect habitat for elk, and after the wolves were exterminated in the early 1900's the elk population skyrocketed. But this was not "normal" for the area. 100 years since the Big Burn, now the area is turning to heavy forest again, not habitat capable of carrying many elk. So what would you like to see happen? Perhaps feed them hay? You guys all sound more like elk ranchers than elk hunters. Not every square inch of Idaho needs to have ELK on it so you can shoot them out your truck window !

     
  • milburnschmidt posted at 8:27 am on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    milburnschmidt Posts: 1160

    Thanks Joe but Ron Pauls to much to the left for me.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 8:10 am on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Milburn for President.
    Absolutely.
    Combine Milburn's ability to communictae with Ron Paul's beliefs, and America is perfect again.

    You'll "put her up in your mother in law's facebook", huh Milburn????
    Priceless.

     
  • cougar posted at 8:10 am on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    cougar Posts: 230

    For those hunters that have never tried it, electronic varmit calls work great. I have the good ole' rabbit call and a fawn bleet. I also taped my dogs barking and playing and it's amazing how that brings in wolves and coyotes alike.
    You don't have to hunt them, they will come to you,(usually in a hurry.)
    Try it, you'll like it...............good hunting.

     
  • milburnschmidt posted at 7:42 am on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    milburnschmidt Posts: 1160

    Poor Ann in Idaho needs to get more sleep maybe she was howling at the moon or watching underworld reruns all night. She needs to get a sense of humor which it seems she is lacking and she needs to watch Bill O reilly and learn new words like disagree,disapprove, not in favor of. I have found that folks who open up letters attacking people they dont know or relate to by calling them haters says more about the letter writer than it does those they attack. Kathy and her band of supporters have every right to protest and we have the right to poke fun at people who frolic in the full moon and hold vigils for dead wolves. What about cats and dogs and deer turned into road kill who speaks for them. If Kathy and her band werent emoting for wolves they probably would be occupying a senior citizen center or taking turns as greeters at wal marts.
    We are a nation of laws Ann not a nation of good intentions and the law says those critters need to be thinned out. By having a hunting season those smart wolves will not be so comfortable coming around humans and our domains and that will relieve a lot of concerns in rual communities. If you believe fish and game figures thats a poor source for the truth. Now loosen up your pony tail and get some sleep and if you want heartless I will put you up for my mother in laws facebook.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 7:23 am on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    "Annin", you live in fairyland yourself.
    You quote sources as saying that "elk populations are increasing" but do you have ANY real knowledge of this?
    NOPE.

    Like a good Lib, you spout the company line, regardless of consequence or truth lacking.

    You are the one that can "get over it". You need to GET OVER the FACT that as long as there are wolves here, they will get shot, trapped, and hopefully ERADICATED. That's exterminated, gone, and hallalujah.

    Go into the woods someday, maybe you can watch!

     
  • AnninIdaho posted at 4:32 am on Wed, Jan 11, 2012.

    AnninIdaho Posts: 78

    Should speaking up for a voiceless animal thats being persecuted earn ridicule? Has society really become that heartless ?
    Oh, wait, we are talking about wof-haters here; that explains it. These people love to hate; they hate the government, they hate Fish & Game, they hate environmentalists, animal activists and most of all, wolf supporters and wolves.
    According to RMEF and IDFG, elk numbers are actually INCREASING in Idaho. And confirmed livestock depredations are rare, and paid for. So whats the real deal here? Why all the hate for wolves? Are you scared of wolves? Is that the dividing line here? Anti wolfers are afraid of wolves and pro wolfers aren't? Maybe thats all there is to it... LRRRH was a fairy tale. Get over it. Or are you just p.o.'ed that wolves make your hunting more difficult because deer and elk are acting more skittish now? Well that skittishness will equal better forage and forest health in the end. Any smart hunter knows that the wolf in the end will produce bigger, healthier animals to hunt. Survival of the fittest, you know, only the best survive to pass on their genes; well, if they can escape human hunters as well.

     
  • local res posted at 11:35 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    local res Posts: 1165

    NicotineGun people kill wolves with what god gave them every time a wolf dies. It is called superior intellect. We need a law in Idaho that makes it illegal to own a wolf or any type of wolf-hybrid. Then these fools would leave Idaho and take their pet,gods guardians or what ever they want to call them.

     
  • Veeeee posted at 11:13 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Veeeee Posts: 423

    go to wikipedia and search for "wolf attacks on humans".

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 11:02 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Milburn, I was laughing out loud...
    I eat wolf all the time, jomow. Best if eaten with a little salad.

    carmann (whatever) I hope you & your family get over your disease/s. It hurts me when you launch such insults to a Elk lover like me.

    Trade you a wolf samwich for a mcnugget meal?

    Shoot a wolf; smile all day! :-)


     
  • jmowreader posted at 10:25 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    jmowreader Posts: 1493

    I wonder how many of the people who are all "the only good wolf is a dead wolf" and "we've got to kill all the wolves right now" have ever owned a gun.

    I also wonder...if you were to get a wolf tag and actually kill a wolf, would you eat it? As has been said innumerous times, a good hunter eats what he kills.

    All kidding aside, the worst predator we've got in this state is the coyote, not the wolf.

     
  • carmann posted at 9:52 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    carmann Posts: 28

    joeidaho, i hope you and your family all get Echinococcus granulosus. the same goes for cougar and parent too.......

     
  • milburnschmidt posted at 9:19 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    milburnschmidt Posts: 1160

    Thanks Joe but dont encourage me the wife doesnt share my sense of humor. Besides Im having second thoughts about this discussion. I enlarged the picture and I think I saw Santa Claus at the end of the line if he is on their side I dont want any trauble with him. Unlike bad girls who get nicer presents than good girls I dont think that works for guys unless Santa and his elves come out of the closet. Anyway that picture of Kathy in her Leather hat and that wolf coat gets my geritol boiling SHES HOT. One question for Kathy on saying no to traps does that go for marriage also?

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 7:53 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    WoooHOOOO!!!!! Where's the class? I wants some.
    So, that would mean that.....5 guys could actually knock down; what....
    TWENTY FIVE DEAD WOLVES!!!!

    Just like Christmas, Ahhhh.

    Very nice addition to our conversation, Parent. Thank you for your kindness.

     
  • parent posted at 7:13 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    parent Posts: 347

    FYI, if a person takes a trapping class, they can actually harvest 5 wolves instead of 3. Tell your friends and take the class together. Happy hunting!

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 7:00 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Milburn you crack me up....very good. Send the Reds some more to chew on, please.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:59 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Ladies of the Liberal side.....
    This weekend, maybe you could go out wolf seeing. Go up to 4th of July, get out, and go camping. Yuo are among friends, you KNOW already that wolfs are nice, sweet animals, so DO NOT take a gun, as we know ladies like you are anti-gun anyways, cuz guns shoot people.

    So; when you arrive, first thing you do is take your dog out of the car (cuz you KNOW that wolfs don't eat dogs, because they are SO smart). Then, set up a campfire (not that you'd need one, the settlers just made fires because they didn't know how sweet & tender wolfs are). So, whenthe fire goes out, and you hear them walking around your campsite, just leave some meat out for them, cuz you know they'd never eat it anyways, because they ONLY eat meat that is "prey", right?

    Call me when you get home. Can't wait to hear your fun stories. Try to get some good wolf close-ups for me, 'K?

    Yes, Liberals are Anti-American & Pro-Communist.

     
  • cougar posted at 6:50 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    cougar Posts: 230

    carmann

    Ouch, your last comment really cut to the bone. Now I won't be able to sleep tonight knowing it came from a brain dead adolescent.

     
  • mister d posted at 6:49 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    mister d Posts: 1531

    carman it is a shame you appear so ignorant about the causes and spread of AIDS. Besides not having much knowledge, your lack of compassion towards other human beings is extremely sad. Hopefully you are just charged up about this issue and not as cold hearted as you appear.

     
  • carmann posted at 4:45 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    carmann Posts: 28

    cougar got aids from his mother.

     
  • milburnschmidt posted at 3:38 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    milburnschmidt Posts: 1160

    Kathy and her vast army of 9 other supporters have the right to express themselves and howl at the moon. We have the right to dismiss her opinion and her cause. I will check with my cat wilburn who also prowls around at screeching at the moon and other intruders. I suppose next mice will be off limits for wilburn since they have families also. Lots of luck with the wolf mobile it must be a long winter for Kathy.

     
  • cougar posted at 3:30 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    cougar Posts: 230

    carmann

    I doubt that all the hunters will get aids as they don't associate with your kind.

     
  • carmann posted at 3:11 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    carmann Posts: 28

    Let's hope all of these hunters get aids.

     
  • cougar posted at 2:50 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    cougar Posts: 230

    Like I said,this debate will never be resolved.
    So you wolf lovers keep trying to defend this animal, and the non-wolf lovers will keep killing them.
    We'll see who prevails.
    And like I also said. Disease(parvo and mange) will be killings them faster than hunters in the next few years.
    Good hunting guys and gals.........

     
  • Nicotinegun posted at 2:47 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Nicotinegun Posts: 1367

    Joeidaho, as I suggested below you might think about MMA or something to that nature in which you will enjoy the challenges of facing an opponent your own size and skill level.

    MMA and Jiu Jitsu is the equivalent of tough guy chess.

    Just a thought.

     
  • kathyswoofer posted at 2:41 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    kathyswoofer Posts: 45

    It's too bad this article had such a negative effect on so many, but what happened to the right of express yourself? Apparently there are some of us out there that believe strongly that the wolves should be allowed to live and roam the lands they inhabited before the farmers, ranchers, and humters of deer and elk movedf in. I don't see where that makes us morons.

    And the statement of the wolf being a "guardian". The Native Americans believe that animals are their "guardians", but that doesn't me that they don't believe in the "Great Spirit", or God. If you listen to Native Americans pray, you hear them pray to the "Great Spirit", or God. I believe God is here, and i do pray to him, but because I have another "guardian", it makes me an atheist.


    IF&G wants to maintain 150-200 wolves to the whole state. That sounds mighty funny, as there are thousands of miles of timber, forest , unihabited lands that wolves could survive in.

    Wolves are not the nasty killers they are thought to be. There is no such thing as the "big bad wolf" They are only creatures that God put here, to help keep the ecosystem in balance. It is the ranchers, farmers, and hunters of the deer and elk that don't want to share the land that was originally the home of the wolf. They don't trespass on man, man trespassed on them.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 2:33 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    The best kinda wolfy...is a really dead wolfy....

    Sportsmen, unlike radical communists, understand the wilderness, and the reason why wolves were ERADICATED in the first place....too bad so sad that they're back, but many of them are being helped to your "guardian" status, every day. (Hopefully).

    Shoot a wolf, share a smile.....;-)

     
  • carmann posted at 1:31 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    carmann Posts: 28

    "save elk from wolves, so us rednecks with guns can kill the elk."

     
  • carmann posted at 1:30 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    carmann Posts: 28

    There is no bigger sport killer than the "sportsmen". That is why they call themselves "sportsmen". They think killing wild life is sporting which it's not. It's pathetic.

     
  • wickerbones posted at 12:57 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    wickerbones Posts: 1

    The grey wolf from Canada is NOT bigger, more dangerous, or even genetically different from the wolf that originally inhabited the Rocky Mountains. This has been tested and disproved time and time again by biologists. The myth has been used by hunters and ranchers as an excuse for wolf slaughter. The fact that this man said, "save an elk, kill a wolf" is actually quite despicable considering that, as a hunter, he only wants to kill the elk himself. The real problem that hunters and other people such as Caudill have with the wolf is that it completely eradicates the need for their own slaughter of the elk. What he desires is a destruction of the natural ecosystem so that humans have to go in and "balance it out" by killing the elk. Either way, no animals are being "saved."

     
  • post falls cuda posted at 12:37 pm on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    post falls cuda Posts: 1

    CDA Press, are you serious? 10 people show up and its front page news? they have every right to protest but the paper needs reconsider what they deem "Headline news".

     
  • Nicotinegun posted at 11:54 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Nicotinegun Posts: 1367

    Bob Loblaw you said it yourself, killing for "sport" is sick and I think a majority of "hunters" would kill people in wheelchairs if it was legal. The people I've had discussions with give "facts" and "figures" and statistics until they are blue in the face and must wipe their mouths of the spittle they have accumliated but when you flat out ask them "if you could kill them all (wolves) just because it was legal, would you" they most likely say "heck yes."

    These are people who tortured cats as adolescents. They are the ones who used fire crackers to blow up frogs. There is something mentally unstable about them in which they some achieve a sense of superiority through killing. Myself, I don't understand it. Myself, I don't feel the need to feel superior or masculine. Maybe that comes with age, education, experience, and the Bible. There is always a bigger fish, a more intellectually astute intellect, a better fighter, a better grappler, a better hunter, and a better driver. You will never be the best, the most dominant, and most dangerous.

    Now, if you really want to test your mettle, attempt to kill the wolves with your bare hands, or a knife per se. Test your limiits and push the envelope and use what God gave you with your flesh and bones. You do that and I will give the afformentioned respect you so desire. Until then, you might want to think about MMA.

     
  • Conservationist posted at 11:47 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Conservationist Posts: 2

    First off I believe in God Almighty and in the 1st of the 10 commandments it states: You shall have no other gods. The wolf is her guardian indeed. It's really hard for me to wrap my head around people worshiping the wolf to the extent they hold a candlelight vigil to the 220 wolves killed in Idaho since hunting them has started back in 2011. These same people will not hold a candlelight vigil for our fallen heroes who died in the Iraq war, or any previous wars. I honestly believe the true sportsmen and women and true conservationist should be given the same publicity that these wolf lovers get when we try to make people aware of the thousands of elk, moose, deer, livestock (Not just cattle) and domestic animals that have been killed since the introduction of this non-indigenous species. Here's a tasty little fact that i bet the reporter nor any of the other so called unbiased reporters make known. These wolves were put here illegally using funds that were designated for wildlife management not for introduction of an invasive species. You are being lied to and you just stand there in your happy little LaLa land and take it. Soon all of our wildlife will be put on the endangered species list and it won't be because of legal hunting. it will be because the wolves have gone forth and multiplied at such a tremendous rate that they will kill every living thing out in the forests that us conservationists and sportsmen and women have worked our lifetimes to preserve. Next on the menu will be your children and small adults.

     
  • jessencaitly posted at 11:41 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    jessencaitly Posts: 1

    At least they had the courage to show up and stand for what they personally believe in, and it isn't the first time. Also not the first time they have been in in the paper for standing up on this issue.
    I can also assure you that my parents are not "OWS fleabags" nor are they on Appleway & 95 protesting anything, and they most assuredly are not morons.
    They live in an area where they not only see deer, elk and moose, they see wolves, coyotes, and most importantly, stray dogs by the packs due to people dumping unwanted Fido's by the carload. Then, in turn these dogs are creating huge packs, killing other small animals, breeding with coyotes, and yes, wolves, to create a breed of animal with the strength and smarts of a wild animal, but with the capability to have "fun" with a kill. Apparently the same kind of fun a human being can have have by wounding a wolf and watching it bleed to death, by trapping them by a leg and letting them suffer, by using helicopters to track and shoot instead of being on the ground hunting the hard way.
    Idaho killed the wolf off once, spent millions to bring it back, then is going to kill it off again? That's your tax dollars at work? So once the numbers are down again, will your government spend your money to bring them back once more? Don't complain about a small group of people you would not have known about, except for the news, worry about how your government is managing your state, including your wildlife.
    My parents know what most people think of them and their views on this, and you know what, they don't care, they stand up for what they believe in, just as they give you the right to.
    And if this really mattered so little to you, you wouldn't have posted so vehemently here. But then again, you have the right to.

     
  • sportsman posted at 11:38 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    sportsman Posts: 9

    Update: 7 more wolves bagged in Idaho yesterday! That full moon really does work on wolves!

     
  • Bob Loblaw posted at 11:34 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    Bob Loblaw Posts: 413

    Pretty ironic how hysterical the people are who are criticizing the wolf sympathizers for being hysterical.

    I think hunting is fine, as long as you do it to put food on the table. I think protecting one's livestock is fine, also. Killing for "sport" is sick. Killing out of ignorance and groundless fear is just plain stupid.

     
  • bearlynx posted at 11:01 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    bearlynx Posts: 10

    Wow I can't believe these people. This is why the U.S. is crumbling from the inside because we allow groups "The Few Liberials" to push their beliefs on everyone els! This lady states the wolf is a "Guardian" for her WOW! Another reason why the U.S. is going down the hill when we start putting wolves as our guardians instead of "God." When groups like this form the police need to call it an ulawful gathering and tell them to disband just like they did with the wall street losers!! enough is enough with these idiots!!! I know maybe 10,000 hunters should show up the next time they protest to show them how it feels to be circled and out numbered with no where to run LOL

     
  • carmann posted at 9:25 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    carmann Posts: 28

    Bruce Hemming, YOU are the one that NEEDS mental help therapy and proper medication.

     
  • PandaPuppy posted at 8:12 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    PandaPuppy Posts: 15

    Kathy Stewart thinks killing wolves is torture. Well, Kathy, how about the cow, the deer, the elk that wolfie guts, eats the hams out of, or pulls the unborn calf or fawn from, then leaves to die a tortured death that can take days? How about that, Kathy? Why are you more concerned about an animal that tortures its prey before its prey dies then you are about the prey it tortures? Don't you think your obsession is just a tad sick?

     
  • BruceH59 posted at 7:58 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    BruceH59 Posts: 20

    The lunatic fringe. I thought they toss idiots that howl at the moon in the mental hospital? Maybe the cops should come equip with nets to catch the fruitcakes before they escape and infict other people with their insanity. Why does this tiny group of cry babies get any press time? In a recent Whitehouse petition after 30 days they had less then 3100 signatures. Who cares what this group of nobodies is doing. Round them up give them mental help therapy and proper medication.

     
  • cougar posted at 7:44 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    cougar Posts: 230

    queequeg

    Ya mean that isn't the way it is here? OOPS!!!!!

     
  • idahoguy posted at 7:33 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    idahoguy Posts: 932

    Our Ranch is a NO WOLF ZONE....


     
  • queequeg posted at 7:08 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    queequeg Posts: 10

    Idaho and Montana both should follow Wyoming's example of WOLF managment.
    No tags no reporting no season. VARMINT shot on sight.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:37 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    The same people that protest wolf hunts are the same one sthat are OWS fleabags & are the same ones as are on teh corner of 95 & Appleway protesting for "more bridge construction".
    They are a group of LIBERAL DEMOCRAPIC MORONS.

    Every time you drive by these idiots, yell out the window "Decomcrats s..k" or "Vote for Ron Paul" or Dems are communists". They get all happy about that.....just watch them erupt.

     
  • kelloggboy posted at 6:34 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    kelloggboy Posts: 19

    As the popular saying is here in the Silver Valley, smoke a pack a day.

     
  • immortal posted at 4:21 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    immortal Posts: 258

    It always amazes me how willing some people are to make a fool of themselves. Go protest world hunger, AIDS, war, and pestilence. Give peace a chance. Wolves? Gimme a break.

     
  • cougar posted at 2:33 am on Tue, Jan 10, 2012.

    cougar Posts: 230

    WOW!!!
    Ten people showed up. That should tell you wolf lovers something. HERE'S YOU SIGN......Nobody wants the wolf here.
    This debate will go on forever. So you keep trying to defend the wolf and we'll keep shooting em'.
    OH!
    As long as you like stats, read up on what the parvo virus and mange is starting to do the wolf population, even in Yellowstone Park.
    Ya gotta love that stuff.

     
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