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Posted: Saturday, July 21, 2012 6:15 am

As an Independent, I find it rather interesting how folks are blinded by ideology to the point where they cannot think for themselves. They follow party lines and parrot their “party” political line without analyzing the issues for themselves. Case in point: Geri Hagler was espousing the virtues of “Obama Don’t Care” when she ruined her diatribe by injecting a slam against Romney and ending by stabbing into her piece, “No Republican has been so bold.”

Taking ideology out of the equation, Geri Hagler is very wrong on many points. “Obama Don’t Care” IS political — period. During the process, the opposition tried to inject ideas and concerns and were shut down at every turn. It was rammed through Congress without time for it to be read. Pelosi said words to the effect, just pass it, it can be read later.

WHAT? Do that on a car sale contract, a real estate contract and suffer the consequences. This bill affects 1/5 of our economy, and they didn’t read it? What was the hurry? Afraid it would be read and understood?

The “Justices” of the Supreme Court ruled straight down party lines (except for Roberts). Next point: Health care is now available for every American who needs it. No one is turned away from an ER for lack of ability to pay. Most private companies provide some type of health insurance, and nearly all Civil Service jobs come with it.

Next, equating health insurance to auto insurance is just plain, well, nuts. Geri also says, “Since we all have to be insured, there will be more competition. Insurance companies will be wooing us.” How utterly naive! A letter to the editor after Geri’s, sent by Ed Young, stated that thousands of GTE/Verizon/Bell Atlantic/ Idearc and Supermedia retirees received letters stating their health insurance premiums were increasing by several hundred dollars. Why? The providers are bracing for the impact of “Obama Don’t Care.” See, Geri, the providers read the bill. Unfortunately, like most who wrote the bill, Geri obviously did not read it either.

The government mandate will eventually kill competition and we will be left with an England, Canada type of government-run health care system. People are dying in those countries waiting for treatment. Many come to this country for treatment before they die.

Open competition lowers cost, not intervention by the government. Geri states, “It GIVES insurance to those who couldn’t get it before....” Geri, who pays for “giving?” Nothing is free. Someone, or in the case of “Obama Don’t Care,” lots of somebodies have to pay for it.

Yes, the plan is so good, the Feds need 16,000 additional IRS agents to enforce it and you can be jailed for not buying health insurance! Name one federal government-run anything that is efficient? Amtrak? (Billions in the red). Postal Service? (Billions in the red). Social Security? (LOL) How about the EPA? This agency has caused more damage to American industry than all the other negatives combined. All in the name of “helping.” I worked with a large agency of the federal government as a provider for three years; it was not pretty.

This Mandate/TAX is horrible. Think for yourself, folks.

Ron Boudreaux is a Coeur d’Alene resident.

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29 comments:

  • jenny92 posted at 2:56 pm on Wed, Oct 17, 2012.

    jenny92 Posts: 4

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  • DelaneyMarylou posted at 4:28 pm on Fri, Sep 7, 2012.

    DelaneyMarylou Posts: 15

    Most private companies provide some type of medical health insurance, and all Civil Service jobs come with it." well- they require something better and more affordable and hopefully mr romney will show us the way. you require to recognize the issue esp if both parties keep saying support small business because they are the job creators. they are also the lousy insurnace creators. this is why i support LARGE BUSINESS -THE LARGER THE BETTER. genericedonline.com

     
  • searcher posted at 7:25 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    searcher Posts: 365

    the larger the better? seriously? That sounds like a pitch for a George Orwell documentary.

     
  • searcher posted at 7:22 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    searcher Posts: 365

    ACA was based on "comparative effectiveness research".

    See: http://virtualmentor.ama-assn.org/2011/04/pfor2-1104.html

    Cost-benefit thinking is exactly why government should NOT be run like a business. Government programs are driven by cost effectiveness - not profits. The cost-benefit solution to health care is to euthanize everyone who gets sick and can't afford to pay for care. Bullets are much cheaper than antibiotics.

    Every time the far right pushes to privatize a function of government (like schools, prisons, military, fire & police, roads & bridges, food safety, drug safety, etc. etc.) society suffers because profit becomes the motive, not the quality of services provided. Business is in the business of making money...period, government is in the business of doing for society what they are unable to effectively or practically do for themselves.

     
  • aayupp posted at 12:46 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    aayupp Posts: 311

    "Most private companies provide some type of health insurance, and nearly all Civil Service jobs come with it."


    well- we need something better and more affordable and hopefully mr romney will show us the way. you have to recognize the problem esp if both parties keep saying support small business because they are the job creators. they are also the lousy insurnace creators. this is why i support LARGE BUSINESS -THE LARGER THE BETTER.

     
  • Mark on the Park posted at 12:01 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark on the Park Posts: 471

    voxpop wrote: "Our constitution states that everyone has the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

    No, in fact it does not.

     
  • searcher posted at 7:52 pm on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    searcher Posts: 365

    "a major step to single payer Socialized healthcare"

    We can only live in hope!

     
  • Rationale posted at 5:18 pm on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1974

    The article asked us to look at it objectively. I have, and this is an objective opinion:

    It has good points (i.e. pre-existing conditions, insuring many more)

    It has bad points (i.e. it still leaves millions uninsured, prohibitive costs)

    The benefits do not outweigh the risks... and the cost-benefit analysis is simply atrocious, so it should not be passed.

     
  • max power posted at 9:25 am on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    max power Posts: 559

    Not only has no one here read the plan. but neither did the Libtards who foisted this abortion called Obamacare onto the public. "We need to pass it so we can see what's in it." -- Nancy Pelosi

     
  • bullman3 posted at 11:39 pm on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    bullman3 Posts: 142

    We cannot suppot the world.

     
  • bullman3 posted at 11:37 pm on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    bullman3 Posts: 142

    And soon the GUN tax, and the auto tax for cars over 10, that dont get 40 mpg. And on and on.

     
  • bullman3 posted at 11:36 pm on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    bullman3 Posts: 142

    Ask our own the same question.

     
  • bullman3 posted at 11:33 pm on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    bullman3 Posts: 142

    I doubt if anyone here has read the plan.

     
  • backtoconstitution posted at 10:29 pm on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    backtoconstitution Posts: 6

    Why has it not been mentioned that illegals are also a LARGE reason that healthcare is so expensive?! I'm from AZ, and the emergency rooms are used as a "Dr. Office" because they do not have insurance and they know that they can not be turned away.

    Jmowreader is correct that the unpaid side of accounting has a huge negative balance. My dad was in the ICU for 5 days and ultimately passed away. I received a bill for $98,000. All was paid by his VA benefit and Medicare except for about $4000. Just for "fun", I called and requested the balance be written off. Needless to say, I was not surprised when the answer was no. My dad died with nothing to his name, but the hospital was going to go after what ever they could get their hand on. If my dad was illegal, the whole bill would e been written off without the blink of an eye. Moral of the story: they HAVE to collect from the insured to somewhat offset the uninsured.

    The mandatory insurance is not the "fix". Unfortunately, it is a multi-faceted issue, just like all the other issues we're facing in our country. No "one-thing/plan" is going to fix them. They are all intertwined. I wish the populous would take the political party blinders off, stop blaming the "other" side, and really look at the issues. And I also wish our elected officials would stop appealing to their bases just to get re-elected by creating (and passing) "band aides" to complex issues.

     
  • idaholiberal posted at 6:45 pm on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    idaholiberal Posts: 179

    I got caught without insurance once. Not because I couldn't afford it, but because the insurance companies wouldn't take me. So, the fine taxpayers of Idaho paid a $50,000 bill for me. Had Obamacare been in effect, I would have paid my premiums and the taxpayer would not have been affected. Not everyone who wants insurance can get it. And, no one who needs emergency health care goes without it. So, the taxpayer needs to decide how many people they want to pay for. Obamacare will be awesome for everyone who wants coverage and can't get it. It will also be awesome for the taxpayer, who shouldn't have to pay for all of the uninsured.

     
  • jmowreader posted at 4:49 pm on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    jmowreader Posts: 1165

    Ron, if you are seriously suggesting that the current system of the uninsured relying on the emergency room for their basic healthcare is in any way acceptable, you've negated your entire argument.

    I have seen a LOT of public hospital annual reports, and in every one there are two financial charts: "we earned" and "we were not paid." (Or words to that effect.) In the "we weren't paid" charts, indigent care--the uninsured relying on the emergency room for their basic healthcare--is almost always the largest item. This makes healthcare more expensive for the rest of us, because emergency rooms are the most expensive place to treat anyone, the hospital has to be reimbursed for their services somehow, and if the patient can't pay the rest of us have to. It also calls for mention that emergency rooms are for emergencies, not routine care.

    If the only thing the Affordable Care Act does is get the head colds and sore throats treated somewhere besides the emergency room, it'll be a smashing success.

     
  • voxpop posted at 12:09 pm on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    voxpop Posts: 738

    Ask ANYONE who has no heath care insurance if they think there should be a single payer govt system. The answer would be a universal YES! The ONLY reason there's any debate is because more have insurance from their employer than don't. For those who think govt paid health care is a bad idea, try living without yours. Our constitution states that everyone has the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Get a serious health issue and see how long you live, or how happy you are without it. The system is totally distorted by the abject greed of business. Maybe if a tad less was spent on junkets for those who work for govt we could afford it as a country.

     
  • max power posted at 11:40 am on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    max power Posts: 559

    Liberalism: Ideas so good they have to be mandatory!

     
  • Old Hayden posted at 11:30 am on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    Old Hayden Posts: 32

    I wonder how many of the commenters have government insurance right now...retired persons, military, disabled, COBRA, govenment employees (local, county, state.) Before you comment you should be sure that your actions match your words. If you don't want others to have what you have, just say so. (How many of you would comment if you had to name your insurance. Mine is Medicare and AARP Supplemental...and I'm glad I have it!)

     
  • Peter posted at 11:17 am on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    Peter Posts: 595

    If Obamacare was so great then why are the politicians exempt from it, unlike us peons???


    Becasue the teabaggers (they coined the term themselves before realizing what it really meant), cried out that type of single payer system is "socialist" and want nothing to do with it. Ironic indeed that the most vocal opponents of our elected officials are not just against Obamacare, but any kind of single payer proposal in general, are the very same people who are benefiting most from govt paid healthcare. That irony extends to those who are benefiting from BC FED, Tricare, Medicaid, and Medicare. Yeah, keep govt out of healthcare indeed...

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 11:12 am on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "... there is no debate.It is being forced on us, so it is not right"

    In other words... Let my people die?!?

    120 people will die today because of Right Wing politics


    Nearly 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get care - Harvard Medical School

     
  • CHSdad posted at 10:57 am on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    CHSdad Posts: 369

    Peter, you were lucky with your gall bladder. My parents both had to wait 6 months. That said, I find it funny that many Americans claim they don't want the government to say what treatment they can have yet they are apparently quite happy having insurance companies do this instead. Something needs to be done about the cost of healthcare here, the treatment is good, but it's unnecessarily way too expensive.

     
  • ricksnidaho posted at 10:39 am on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    ricksnidaho Posts: 35

    If Obamacare was so great then why are the politicians exempt from it, unlike us peons???

     
  • Peter posted at 10:35 am on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    Peter Posts: 595

    I lived in England too, and broke my arm there in a cycling accident. And you know what? Everything was just fine. My friend had to have an gallbladder surg too and the wait was only a week. This was London 2003. I also lived in Sweden 2yrs, Denmark 3yrs, and Japan 13yrs and had used or had friends use their medical facilities one time or another and found nothing wrong with them. All those countries are as free as we are in the US and have a very thriving free market democratic system. There is no slippery slope to communism at work there. To think that is utter idiocy.

    The US technologically may have the best medical system, but fall way short of accessibility with most of our free democratic allies. That is just a cold hard fact. This is espicially seen in the US infant mortality rate. There is a friend of mine here that was recently diagnosed with cancer and she cannot see an oncologist at Kootenai Health for another 6wks. How's that for a wait time? I acknowledge that none of the systems are perfect by any means, but our current status quo with what we have in the US is not delivering. Obamacare or whatever you want to call it is far better than anything that the US has now. And no, it will not plunge down the slippery slope road to socialism. That base of Obamacare plan is taken from Heritage Foundation proposal from the 80's and 90's mixed with Gov Romneys model from MA.

     
  • DeNiles posted at 10:20 am on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    All of versions of this legislation were hammered down strictly by the Democrats. The Dems held a supermajority in Congress, defined all committee leadership roles and flow of all legislative materials. The final version of this monstrosity came at the last minute and the Republicans wanted time to discuss it. That was denied using cloture. There was zero bipartisan effort by the Dems. There was no transparency as Obama promised.

    Why do the teachers unions want nothing to do with this wonderful healthcare act? How many companies have sought deferments and have been granted them based upon political influence? Will it really reduce the cost of your insurance premiums as Obama promised? Will you really get better healthcare as Obama promised? Will it not burden private business growth and job creation as Obama promised?

    Has Obama ever kept a promise?

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 10:04 am on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969

    I would rebut your BS item for Item but the Spin and lies YOU flailed out are so laughable.

    But lets just put one of your moronic statements to rest. http://video.foxnews.com/v/1745799596001/another-sad-day-in-america/?playlist_id=87485
    If Pelosi Would have Read the bill she would have known not to say "Preventive care is not something you need pay a copay or out of pocket", just before saying the also Moronic statement, "... But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy."

    She, as the rest of the Dumocrats that voted for this had NO clue and didn't care what was in that bill, they only knew it was a major step to single payer Socialized healthcare, and it would never pass if they waited for voters to read it.

     
  • idahotater posted at 9:55 am on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    idahotater Posts: 54

    Shut up about this people. Morons. There is no debate.It is being forced on us, so it is not right. Period. Doesn't matter if they are handing out gold, (where is that line forming? I'll be there) you shouldn't HAVE to take it.

     
  • CHSdad posted at 9:36 am on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    CHSdad Posts: 369

    I'm from England and I can say that if people do die because of lack of treatment, it is way less likely than people here dying because of lack of money or insurance. What does happen there, though, are long waiting times for non-life threatening procedures. I have had knee surgery here within 2 weeks of needing it, and gall bladder removed within a day of needing it. I would have had to wait 6 months in the UK. Had I been about to die, though, treatment would have been just as quick in the UK. Do some research for yourself, Ron.

     
  • searcher posted at 9:03 am on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    searcher Posts: 365

    Mr Boudreaux, how can you say "look at health plan objectively" and then continue on with a list of falsehoods and half truths:
    " During the process, the opposition tried to inject ideas and concerns and were shut down at every turn..." The bill was discussed in several senate and house committees, ove 30 committee hearings from the senate budget committee alone... multiple amendments, negotiations and changes were made to accommodate concerns and ideas from both sides of the aile. This process occurred over the course of more than 18 months.

    "Pelosi said words to the effect, just pass it, it can be read later." This overused, out of context quote has been viral - she actually was referring to the final chaotic days of changes, negotiations and alterations that were taking place to accommodate further points of conflict and contention.

    "The government mandate will eventually kill competition and we will be left with an England, Canada type of government-run health care system. People are dying in those countries waiting for treatment. Many come to this country for treatment before they die." Hyperbole, pure anecdotal hyperbole... Show me the facts, the data, the research behind this assertion.

    "the Feds need 16,000 additional IRS agents to enforce it and you can be jailed for not buying health insurance" False, totally, absolutely and purely false.

    If you are going to disagree with the health care law, then please do so with FACTS and TRUTH, not hyperbole, distortions and just plain false accusations. The law is not perfect, it needs work, it needs to evolve with the needs of the country and fit the values of our society. No sweeping change is ever right the first time - stop lying about it, scaring the uninformed and spiting what's good because of what's not so good in the bill. Work for positive change not for destruction.

    And... don't claim to have an objective view when you parrot talking points from one side or the other.

     
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