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Patriot rally attracts hundreds to Farragut

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Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2013 12:00 am

FARRAGUT STATE PARK - Hundreds of self-described patriots turned out for a three-day patriot rally here this weekend to learn how to organize and prepare for what they consider to be the imminent collapse of our economy.

Hot button speakers, including many from the patriot movement, rallied attendees Friday and Saturday night to form militias, and stock up on ammunition and supplies. The message was, be prepared for when the government can no longer provide services after the collapse.

"We need to prepare for the inevitable collapse that is going to happen," said Washington state representative Matt Shea. "You know it's going to happen. That's right, I am a politician and I am standing up here and saying that."

Shea was introduced as one of the 10 most hateful politicians featured on the Southern Poverty Law Center's website. He called that a badge of honor.

SPLC actually lists Shea as one of the "Dirty Dozen" outspoken state legislators that belong to a group called State Legislators for Legal Immigration.

In a profile of Shea, the SPLC said that he has not recently been involved in the immigration issue, but he is actively perpetuating a conspiracy that the government has plans to disarm Americans and round them up into concentration camps run by the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

His talk at the rally didn't mention the concentration camps, but he did urge attendees to get organized and to prepare for when the government steps in after the "inevitable collapse."

"When it happens, we need to look at this as a opportunity, not a crisis," he said. "Who's job is liberty? That's our job."

Shea urged the crowd to stock up on thousands of rounds of ammunition and to stay in shape, practice shooting, learn self defense and special tactics.

When he was in the military, Shea said one of his superiors told him something he will never forget.

"Be prepared at any given moment to give up your job to do what is right," he said. "You have to stand up for what is right - even if it means you have to stand up to your government."

Most of the Friday night speakers agreed that our country is no longer being run constitutionally, and that in the event of a collapse someone is going to have to step up to restore and protect the constitution.

Dale Pearce, a former Idaho legislator, spoke on behalf of the John Birch Society.

"Liberty once lost is lost forever," he said, explaining how America has already lost its constitution system and how there have been repeated attempts to alter it over the years.

Pearce said he got involved in the legislature 25 years ago, when activists nationwide were attempting to call for a constitutional convention.

At the time, he said 32 states had called for a convention to rewrite the constitution to add in things like requiring a balanced budget, giving the president line item veto authority and clarifying equal rights protection.

If 34 states had called for it, Congress would have been compelled to convene a convention.

"These were all things that legislators thought sounded really good at the time," Pearce said. "But once you get the convention Congress takes over."

If that were happen today, he said the chair of the convention would be President Obama, and other cast members would include Hillary Clinton and maybe even Michelle Obama.

Pearce said he successfully talked the Idaho legislature out of making a call for the convention, and the effort died. But, he added, Idaho State Senator Curt McKenzie, R-Boise, drops a bill every year calling for a convention.

"They are doing this nationwide," he told the crowd. "We need to continue to hold these legislators to their oath in office."

Pearce quoted Ayn Rand at the beginning of his talk:

"When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion; when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing; when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors; when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you; when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice; you may know that your society is doomed," he read.

In an earlier speech, Idaho State Representative Vito Barbieri, R-Dalton Gardens, explained how much of what Pearce quoted was already happening.

His talk was about the constitution and what it was.

"It was a restriction on the power and authority of the federal government," he said, adding it was also written to protect the states and the citizens of the United States.

Now, he said, the federal government is systematically eliminating the restriction the constitution placed on it "for the collective good - not the individual."

"They are empowering tyranny," he said. "Rules and regulations are eliminating our freedoms. It's social engineering."

He pointed to the second amendment, saying it is no longer protecting the individual's right to bear arms.

"I am convinced the only thing protecting your right to bear arms is the fact that you own one and it's loaded," he said. "The constitution isn't protecting your rights anymore, you are."

Barbieri urged the attendees to be prepared for change, "big changes."

"We all know change is coming," he said. "Let's keep the constitution and throw out the bureaucrats."

The rally wasn't all politics. The rallies happened mostly in the evenings. During the morning hours, there were several survival experts giving demonstrations on a variety of things ranging from field midwife training to hand-to-hand combat.

Vendors were selling everything from freeze-dried food and ammunition to ham radios and first aid gear.

Other experts gave seminars on how to start a barter system, and there was even a history seminar on the real start of the Revolutionary War entitled April 19, 1775.

One of the organizers, Christina Whitehurst, said the event drew about 540 people on Friday, another 175 showed up Thursday night and they were expecting several hundred more after the Veterans' Stand Down event in Post Falls on Saturday.

Don Bradway, of the Oath Keepers which hosted the event, said the inaugural event had a few minor glitches, but overall he felt it was successful.

"Our intention is to do this again," he said. "Hopefully for multiple years to come."

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  • The Golden Mean posted at 5:33 pm on Sat, Aug 24, 2013.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    Preparing for the 'inevitable collapse'

    Now featuring blonde amazon kung fu zombie fighters?!?

    I"ll take my chances with life above ground, that sounds better than living the rest of my life underground eating canned baked beans and breathing stale methane laced bomb shelter air.

     
  • bn american posted at 12:46 pm on Sat, Aug 10, 2013.

    bn american Posts: 8

    Remain calm, the government is here to help you, the NSA is busy setting up their direct support system for you, with your tax dollars. A few thoughts to ponder though. Im not sure where I heard this, but is it true that the former ceo of Freddie Mac is going to be the head bean counter at the IRS? He certainly would have the credentials. I have also heard the food stamp program (that card you see at the grocery store so much) is being handled by JP Morgan? Familiar name, hmm. The oil companies themselves is who imports/buys oil, not the govt. Its cheaper than producing our own. Print some more money, heck, theres lots a gold in Fort Knox if we run out of paper. (there is gold in there, right?Somebody checked i hope) 7 billion bullets oughta be enough, ya think? Try googling George Soros and Monsanto in the same line, which reminds me, Englands got a story for you about that good ole boy. and dont forget his Klamath Basin River Project. Maybe we should be having more of those pesky "Town Hall Meetings" to sort this out, oh, sorry, the politicians didnt much care for that venue, they prefer the "cloud computing" style of communication with their constituents. Smart phones, meters, reader cars, cameras,RFID's, FEMA, passports and credit/debit cards for your convenience, yea, the chumpsack is on. All is well. I think its time we use our most powerful weapon, VOTE! Get these clowns out of office, take away the checkbook and free lunch, pensions, aircraft and health care, get somebody that will represent us,. Before they ruin us. And as far as illegal immigration goes, we could start with obama. The fox is in the chicken house they used to say,

     
  • KingofthePaupers posted at 8:01 am on Sun, Aug 4, 2013.

    KingofthePaupers Posts: 2

    Other experts gave seminars on how to start a barter system,
    Jct: Good for them. Teaching the real revolution. Complaining about the bad guys is good but cutting their interest on our transactions is better. 800 million Chinese Facebook users trading with online QQ coins means the banks get no interest! Half of Japan on a Health Care Timebank means bankers get no vig. Kenyans trading with cell-phone minutes mean bankers are cut out of the action. Every LETS timebank trade means the middelemen are cut out. So “sit-innng” their system is nice but hitting them in the debt service account is where it really hurts.
    So good for them for teaching how to barter our time, get off their system, and stop paying them homage.

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 10:04 am on Fri, Aug 2, 2013.

    LMYCDA Posts: 2071

    It is NOT WELFARE. How is that you people don't care about anyone or their well being rationale. Is it something in the water you drink or the fake news you watch. As Mahiun said...do some research before continuing to spew propaganda and lies.

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 10:02 am on Fri, Aug 2, 2013.

    LMYCDA Posts: 2071

    Paranoid much. Oh, well, the "SO CALLED NON-PROFIT" made money off these paranoid folks.

     
  • Rationale posted at 7:17 pm on Thu, Aug 1, 2013.

    Rationale Posts: 1975

    Medicaid is not welfare? Really? Sorry, Mahiun, but those states...California especially...are in the hole with welfare...but apparently, medicaid is not welfare to Mahiun! Hey, Mahiun...Detroit isn't bankrupt either, right? What is laughable is that TANF and Food Stamps are somehow not considered welfare! (oh, wait...SNAP, because you can't all it Food Stamps any more)

    Weakest social safety nets? Really? You are clueless and in denial.

    Yup, Mahiun...and this isn't real either, right?

    "Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household."

    Not a safety net, huh Mahiun?

    The purpose of the article was to show that these 11 states are headed toward insolvency. They cannot sustain the trend of having MILLIONS on welfare...and YES, food stamps, Medicaid and TANF are ALL welfare!

    Oh..and they don't count the illegals receiving aid, either! But I guess no illegals get welfare either, right?

     
  • enkelin posted at 6:05 pm on Thu, Aug 1, 2013.

    enkelin Posts: 5

    The "well regulated militia" was described by the "Militia act of 1792" because the US government at the time did not keep a standing army. The State Militias were replaced by the Militia act of 1903 which established the National Guard. The militia was instituted to protect the US govenrment form insurrection by the citizens like in Shay's Rebellion and the Whiskey Rebellion.

     
  • enkelin posted at 5:54 pm on Thu, Aug 1, 2013.

    enkelin Posts: 5

    Absolutely spot on, great post.

     
  • enkelin posted at 5:51 pm on Thu, Aug 1, 2013.

    enkelin Posts: 5

    You obviously dont understand that pension funds are invested in the Stock Market. My pension money has increased by about 30% due to the stock Market hitting new Highs. Evidently you dont have any pension savings of any kind. Now Paul Ryan wants to privatize Social Security and eliminate the program so that Goldman Sach can take your money But Ryans plan is the GOP plan. I suggest that you pay a little better attention who wants to save SS and who does not.

     
  • enkelin posted at 5:41 pm on Thu, Aug 1, 2013.

    enkelin Posts: 5

    I remember Oil being $147 dollars a barrel in August of 2008. It is 107.00 today. So what is your point? It is 40% less than it was 5 years ago. Oh and BTW the president doesnt set world Oil prices. Opec tries to but dosent do that well at it either.

     
  • enkelin posted at 5:38 pm on Thu, Aug 1, 2013.

    enkelin Posts: 5

    I remember the Origina Patriot act signed by GW Bush and anyone who bothered to read it would know it had the same thing in it about the president haveing the ability to call American citizens to be "Enemy Combatants" Why didnt anyone but me and a few others get all twisted up about that then? Oh yeah cuz GWBush was a "Good ole Boy" from Texas. The NDAA is reauthorized regulatly because that is the bill that pays military salaries.

     
  • BelliegerentTruth posted at 7:18 am on Wed, Jul 31, 2013.

    BelliegerentTruth Posts: 8

    The people who put down prepping are typical Obama-zombie sheep. Most likely to be on some form of government assistance, they believe that the man in the Whitehouse is there to provide for them.

    If anyone is stupid, it's the sheeple.

     
  • BelliegerentTruth posted at 7:15 am on Wed, Jul 31, 2013.

    BelliegerentTruth Posts: 8

    Then we still have good food and clean water to use.

     
  • BelliegerentTruth posted at 7:13 am on Wed, Jul 31, 2013.

    BelliegerentTruth Posts: 8

    Small minds don't understand the concept of "finite resources". They think this party will go on forever.

     
  • BelliegerentTruth posted at 7:12 am on Wed, Jul 31, 2013.

    BelliegerentTruth Posts: 8

    par·a·noi·a (pr-noi)
    n.
    1. A psychotic disorder characterized by delusions of persecution with or without grandeur, often strenuously defended with apparent logic and reason.
    2. Extreme, irrational distrust of others

    How does "paranoia" describe these people? You don't understand the meaning of the word apparently.

     
  • BelliegerentTruth posted at 7:12 am on Wed, Jul 31, 2013.

    BelliegerentTruth Posts: 8

    par·a·noi·a (pr-noi)
    n.
    1. A psychotic disorder characterized by delusions of persecution with or without grandeur, often strenuously defended with apparent logic and reason.
    2. Extreme, irrational distrust of others


    How does "paranoia" describe these people? You don't understand the meaning of the word apparently.

     
  • BelliegerentTruth posted at 7:10 am on Wed, Jul 31, 2013.

    BelliegerentTruth Posts: 8

    What does that have to do with this? Are you comparing people who want to learn to take care of themselves to racists?

     
  • BelliegerentTruth posted at 7:06 am on Wed, Jul 31, 2013.

    BelliegerentTruth Posts: 8

    It's the subtleties in language that distinguishes intelligence from noise.

     
  • BelliegerentTruth posted at 7:03 am on Wed, Jul 31, 2013.

    BelliegerentTruth Posts: 8

    It's not paranoia, it's being a responsible citizen.

     
  • MAR-BEE posted at 8:23 am on Tue, Jul 30, 2013.

    MAR-BEE Posts: 861

    I just read 67 comments and what I read is the vast majority of them are simply name calling and degrading one another. Wow! Name calling and degrading, with a bit of belittling. That's a sure way of getting things turn around.

    .We DO NOT have leaders in DC. We have corporate and special interest group "Puppets." We do not have representative that look to America and Her problems, but shore up and support foreign nation dictators. We have leaders that feel it's alright for Corporate America to move their factories overseas and then allow their products to be imported while our own country suffers from lack of jobs.

    Our nation is corporate and special interest groups run and controlled. They love those who blame the left, right, liberal, conservatives, Democrats and Republicans. Takes the focus off them and what they are doing to this nation of ours. We will not change this until we change how we vote. The change, is to stop voting for these front running "Puppets." Vote in your favorite primaries. Just stop voting for those well heeled --($$$$$)-- leaders. If they are "IN." vote them out. Be their term limiter. Don't vote for the "Lesser of Two Evils." Write in a name. Vote third party. Just STOP voting for these corporate and special interest group "Puppets." DON'T stay home. Vote. Tell DC "Puppets" we are sick of them.

     
  • Mahiun posted at 9:46 pm on Mon, Jul 29, 2013.

    Mahiun Posts: 5173

    11 States now have more people on welfare than gainfully employed: California (of course), N.M., MS, AL, IL (of course...Obamaville), OH, KY, SC, NY, ME, & HI.
    A very popular chain mail and net meme, but debunked as "Pants On Fire" by PolitiFact. FactCheck, and Snopes. It pretty grotesquely distorts a source Forbes article, falsely labeling any of those dependent on government for income -- including government employees, pensioners, and Medicaid recipients -- as "being on welfare".

    You really need to vet your sources better, Ratty. Oh, wait --- that would pretty much leave you with nothing to say, wouldn't it? Well then, you definitely need to vet your sources better!

    The Senate Budget Committee reports that in fiscal year 2012, between food stamps, housing support, child care, Medicaid and other benefits, the average U.S. Household below the poverty line received $168.00 a day in government support.
    So did you once again fail to vet your sources (in which case you would merely be lazy), or were you fully aware that you were presenting false and misleading information (in which case you would be a lia----errr, "disingenuous")?

    This (mis)information is from the minority (i.e., Republican) portion of the SBC; it is not a full committee report. But even a cursory glance should be enough to tell that it is completely divorced from reality. Yes, I know, I know: "Daniel Halper at the Weekly Standard.....blah blah blah." That does not make it any less mendacious, particularly since several other sources had this before Halper got hold of it, and by the time it made its way to his desk, the falsehoods were even more egregious.

    Common sense, and rudimentary mathematics, should be enough to tell you that this is a ridiculous claim. The USA has one of the weakest social safety nets in the world; it simply does not make logical sense to think that we would be spending more on each family in poverty than the median income—or more on the poor than we spend on defense, Social Security and Medicare.

    But the details, the details.... Well, the first one is mathematical. The story is "$186/day", right? But the eligibility cutoff for most of the 80 programs targeted by Senate Republicans (including those on the Budget Committee) are higher than the poverty line -- in some cases, by quite a bit. So that means that the total amount spent on welfare is being spread among waaaaaaaay more people than those simply below the poverty line, or "in poverty".

    Take Colorado as an example, since it's a classic swing state, and fairly ideologically neutral. The cutoff for eligibility there, for 10 means-tested federal programs, is 62% above poverty level. If you earn less than 162% of poverty level, you're eligible. So that makes a huge difference in those figures being thrown around!

    The myth (we'll use the kind and polite word, instead of actually calling it a deliberate lie), is basically:
    Total Spending on Welfare / Families in Poverty = $168 per day. But these benefits apply to many, many more people than that --- you might as well divide by the number of green motorcycles registered in 1964. The reality, as a formula, is actually Total Spending on Welfare / Recipients = $24.77 per day. That's a LOT less than $168.....

     
  • Rationale posted at 6:53 pm on Mon, Jul 29, 2013.

    Rationale Posts: 1975

    No need to fear economic collapse...Nah...it's just a lie and the figment of paranoia. Oh, wait...20% of the country is in DEEP financial straits!

    (Nope, not a "prepper" or doomsday advocate...but a REALIST!)

    11 States now have more people on welfare than gainfully employed: California (of course), N.M., MS, AL, IL (of course...Obamaville), OH, KY, SC, NY, ME, & HI.

    The Senate Budget Committee reports that in fiscal year 2012, between food stamps, housing support, child care, Medicaid and other benefits, the average U.S. Household below the poverty line received $168.00 a day in government support.

    What's the problem with that much support? Well, the median household income in America is just over $50,000, which averages out to $137.13 a day. To put it another way, being on welfare now pays the equivalent of $30.00 an hour for a 40-hour week, while the average job pays $20.00 an hour.

    No need to worry about a collapse...we can sustain this stupidity! Do the math, morons...it is not feasible to sustain this asinine economic trend!

    Your denial and unbridled worshiping of your savior Obama is brilliant!

     
  • Joe D posted at 6:06 pm on Mon, Jul 29, 2013.

    Joe D Posts: 2655

    That's opponent's own body weight. Wow that was dumb of me.

     
  • Keven Johnson posted at 6:05 pm on Mon, Jul 29, 2013.

    Keven Johnson Posts: 1324

    Randy, do you not believe that the provisions in the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act that allow for the indefinite detention of American citizens, without a trial and without even being charged with a crime, solely on the determination by the president that someone is a threat, are real? This law, including those provisions, passed congress with both republican and democrat support and was signed by the president on December 31, 2011. It is a clear violation of the 5th amendment to the constitution, but it passed nevertheless. When the president (any president) decides to use the powers that law gives him , who do you think will be asked to carry out these blatantly unconstitutional acts? The military and law enforcement, that's who! THAT is why what Oathkeepers is attempting to do - - educate current military and law enforcment - - is not only not 'delusional', it is vitally important. If the troops refuse to turn on American citizens and violate our constitutional rights, it cannot happen.

    We can disagree on politics; We can disagree on how much involvement the govenment should have in everyday things like education and roads and business regulation; different points of view are certainly valid. But can't we agree that American citizens should not be subject to arrest and imprisonment --or even assassination - - without a trial? Or even being charged with a crime? That is one issue that I would have thought, and hoped, that all of us, from the most liberal to the most conservative, from the atheist to the fundamentalist Christian, could agree on as Americans! And the purpose and goal of the Oathkeepers is to make sure such atrocities can never happen in the united States of America.

     
  • Joe D posted at 4:45 pm on Mon, Jul 29, 2013.

    Joe D Posts: 2655

    Mahuin it's no different than using a larger appointees own body weight against him. Besides, we the people own those buildings and ground, most Americans have been brainwashed to think otherwise. People have forgotten that we are the government, it's some of our elected officials that are giving us a problem.

     
  • Mahiun posted at 4:14 pm on Mon, Jul 29, 2013.

    Mahiun Posts: 5173

    Joe D (and others), it's mostly just the irony that turns out to be kind of amusing.

    The irony of using a government facility -- a leftover from a military past -- to denounce the government as ineffective at best, harmful at worst, and incapable of providing anything of value.

    The irony of people like Matt Shea (and people like him) using the Internet, a direct product and descendant of government research and funding, to communicate and solicit votes to support his position that nothing good ever came from the government.

    The irony of hoping to spend "many years to come" predicting the "imminent collapse" of the nation, the society, and the economy.

    The irony of advocating a 72-hour Emergency Kit as the patriotic and über-conservative thing to do, whilst (typically, not universally) denouncing Californians as unpatriotic liberal, commie pinkos. A 72-hour Emergency Kit is second nature to Californians, who never know when an earthquake might take out ordinary utilities and services.

    The irony of glorifying a woman who glorified selfishness and called for adoration of "producers", but produced no truly useful product herself, and who enrolled for public, government -provided benefits in the latter years of her life.

    The irony of people who don't believe in government running for public office, and apparently determined to make sure that government collapses.

    It would be nothing more than harmless but amusing, if it didn't affect so many of the rest of us, too. But....it does. And that's why so many people look at NIdaho and end up rolling their eyes and shaking their heads: because for some reason, this area seems to be a magnet for folks who revel in that kind of irony, without ever seeing just how ironic it really is....

     
  • Randy Myers posted at 3:47 pm on Mon, Jul 29, 2013.

    Randy Myers Posts: 1635

    Wankers and nutters unite, tinfoil caps in place, as Oathkeepers. Your vigilance in watching for the sky to fall is appreciated by the paranoid and delusional. Keep an especially watchful eye on those United Nations types.

     
  • Dillard Jenkins posted at 2:13 pm on Mon, Jul 29, 2013.

    Dillard Jenkins Posts: 14

    Father Guido Sarducci has a better deal for paying for your sins than anybody.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbSZlqKxAE4

     
  • Keven Johnson posted at 1:40 pm on Mon, Jul 29, 2013.

    Keven Johnson Posts: 1324

    Mike, you raise a valid point (one that was also raised by Peter I believe) but I think you have some misconceptions about the Oathkeepers in general and what this rally was about in particular.

    Oathkeepers is not a partisan organization, and this rally wasn't about liberal / democrat vs. conservative / republican. It is true that Oathkeepers was officially formed in April 2009 during Obama's first term; what you and others may not know however is that the motivation for the formation of Oathkeepers were things that happened during Bush's presidency; specifically the unconstitutional disarming of law abiding citizens in New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. The basic premise and mission of Oathkeepers is to educate current military and law enforcement personnel that their oath is not to a particular administration or political party, but to protect and defend the U.S. Constitution - - and that they must not obey certain orders (if given) whether a democrat or a republican is in the white house.

    A couple of the speakers seemed to believe that all would be fine if only Obama wasn't president; but I can assure you they were in the minority. Both of the legislators mentioned in this article are well aware that our problems predate Obama. An in his speech, Oathkeepers founder Stewart Rhodes very pointedly called out the republican politicians who have no regard for our constitution or the rule of law. This issues we face have come about as a result of the policies of both republicans and democrats, and the vast majority of the speakers and participants at this event realize that.

    It's not about liberal vs. conservative or democrat vs. republican. It's about following the constitution and neither party has been doing that. I specifically replied to your comments not to argue, but because I've seen many of your comments and letters to the editor, and while I sometimes disagree and sometimes agree, you seem like someone who wants to understand what's really going on. I think you should do more research on Oathkeepers. You may still not think there's a need for such an organization, and that's where I would disagree with you. But if you check into them a little more you'll see they really are a non partisan group and their focus is on exactly what it should be; making sure military personnel and police understand and follow the constitution.

     
  • Miketeague posted at 12:32 pm on Mon, Jul 29, 2013.

    Miketeague Posts: 2162

    jitl, what happened to the almighty right wing, charge as much as you can, God, Capitalism? And why were high prices under bush ok, and now they signal the end of the world? I know I know we are all heathen communist and are headed for fire and brimstone. Thumper!

     
  • Flash Gordon posted at 11:20 am on Mon, Jul 29, 2013.

    Flash Gordon Posts: 1337

    Jesus(using the Spanish pronunciation) There were two blatant lies Fox News , that foreign owned news organization that outsources its news to the United States, perpetrated against their viewers. First, that Obama was 4-8 points behind in the polls before election day. Nate Silver and PPPolling had Obama up by over 4....which was the accurate spread. Second, and this one's for you, that the economy was in the tank after Sept. 15th , 2008 when indeed the truth is....it was......but now it's in recovery.

    The collapsers are hoping for a complete and total collapse of our economy just as a way to prove themselves "right"and that's the ironic thing about their value system, your value system, actually......you can believe anything you want, our economy may be anemic but it is far from collapsing , in spite of the republican controlled house.....and people like you....

     
  • JesusIsTheLight posted at 10:47 am on Mon, Jul 29, 2013.

    JesusIsTheLight Posts: 651

    Then you have food, water, and means to protect it. Nothing lost. But if you can't see the decline then just turn back on CNN and listen for your thoughts for the day.

     
  • JesusIsTheLight posted at 10:44 am on Mon, Jul 29, 2013.

    JesusIsTheLight Posts: 651

    ".......food, ammunition, guns, construction of "shelters", .........I'm sure the Obama administration welcomes the economic boost


    Yeah, it's the only boost they are getting.

     
  • JesusIsTheLight posted at 10:43 am on Mon, Jul 29, 2013.

    JesusIsTheLight Posts: 651

    Miketeague do you actually pay your own bills? I have to ask because most of us don't like paying $3.60 + for gas or $4 + for milk, increased power bills, decreased value of our money, increased taxes, etc. I'm just asking because you seem to be just thrilled to be paying more for everything under Obama. Additionally, for being so bright you people don't seem to know anything about the country and it's decline. You actually seem to celebrate the march toward State run Capitalism...which is basically Communism. I don't get it. It's the like person about be put in chains celebrating his captor. Doesn't make sense to me. Yay, we are going to all be poor! Yay! Our economy is going to collapse yay! I mean do you not get it? Or are you just all Communists that want everyone to be on one level of poverty?

    Have you ever read the history of the Soviet Union or of China or what those people did to other people?

     
  • Miketeague posted at 8:11 am on Mon, Jul 29, 2013.

    Miketeague Posts: 2162

    I didn’t go (big surprise) but I was wondering just how many vendors were there selling you not giving you a “chance for peace of mind”. A boogie man under every bed can sell a lot of stuff.

     
  • Flash Gordon posted at 7:09 am on Mon, Jul 29, 2013.

    Flash Gordon Posts: 1337

    The collapsers are unpatriotic, unamerican, and their behavior borders on sedition. The new president of the NRA has expressed as much when he stated that the anti government forces in america need to be fully armed in an inevitable and eventual confrontation. He even made some mad ramblings about the civil war and Lincoln's war of aggression against "the constitution".....he even suggested the "overthrow" of a duly elected administration.....

    But the ironic twist in all this is not only the dislike and aim toward dismemberment of american institutions and the willful working toward their "collapse"..... yet at the same time buying all this stuff for the eventual apocalyptic "survival".......food, ammunition, guns, construction of "shelters", .........I'm sure the Obama administration welcomes the economic boost:)

     
  • efromm posted at 6:42 am on Mon, Jul 29, 2013.

    efromm Posts: 679

    I wonder why the Fed is buying up so many guns and bullets? Why is it that every agency is arming it's self? Billions of rounds of ammo. Where is the war for all that ammo?

    North Idaho is yuppie ville. Just say your from San Diego and you will fit in here just fine....

     
  • Joe D posted at 11:30 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    Joe D Posts: 2655

    I just love the way people come to Idaho and continually run down the people of Idaho. It really takes a bunch of low class bottom feeders to do that and you call us weird and hicks. If you do not like the people here, leave. If you do not believe in being prepared for hard times, don't be prepared. Just sit there on your thumbs and wait for the government to take care of you, if and when the bottom does fall out.

     
  • MidnightPeace posted at 9:47 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    MidnightPeace Posts: 10

    Big Bear, are you going to be snatched out of here with all the Scofield-ites? Wish I could come.

     
  • MidnightPeace posted at 9:44 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    MidnightPeace Posts: 10

    Thoughtful, very thoughtful.

     
  • MidnightPeace posted at 9:43 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    MidnightPeace Posts: 10

    Peter, you made at least two assertions which are open to very broad interpretation. Did you forget to capitalize "Democratic"? If so, I think you should leave out the "ic". If not, then please be aware that personal freedom is never protected in a democratic system.

    The protection of your human rights is certainly "fringe". Most people are happy to relinquish their dignity and humanity, as evidenced in our society's acceptance of the TSA. First go through this giant magnet. Later, take off your shoes and walk in someone else's podophilc bacteria while Jimbo rummages through your underwear. Next, let Jimbo touch your small child in all the wrong places. Now, Jimbo is at high-school proms, train stations and shopping malls.

    The installed political party has little bearing on your desire for protecting your human rights, although some personalities are far better at hornswaggling you into thinking you play on their team, and therefore you have a "one-up" on the other guys.

     
  • Joe D posted at 9:28 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    Joe D Posts: 2655

    Screen Name, you forgot the little word "Hopefully".

     
  • MidnightPeace posted at 9:19 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    MidnightPeace Posts: 10

    riversharkes, do you believe a central government has the authority to "regulate", at it's whim, discretion, and interpretation, your speech and privacy? I'm sure you are well-intentioned but your understanding is misguided. That four word phrase, in today's vernacular, simply means "the average, capable, We The People-type person, prepared AND WELL-TRAINED, ("well-regulated") to defend their family, their human rights and those of their countrymen". These meanings have been lost through decades of indoctrination in the centrally-controlled government education system. I hope you care enough about your free speech and your privacy, to investigate the meanings of the words our Founders used. They are very simple, yet, as LMYCDA scornfully stated, "profound".

     
  • Why Not posted at 7:12 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    Why Not Posts: 4509

    Oh the dire editorials posts to the Press comment page. If I had a stitch of commonsense, it would be to do something more constructive, but this is so darn entertaining.

    The rise of end-time prognosticators is nothing new. When people fear things it’s because they don’t understand, so they ban together and worry more and look for someone or something to blame because it makes them feel better. All this pessimism attracts the media and ultimately entrepreneurs looking for quick profit, both have a vested interest in making the story bigger and more worrisome, because at the end of the day they need keep it growing in order to extract profit. A young black President, huge financial losses caused by a nationwide outbreak of greed triggering massive layoffs and a new social program of Titanic proportion that nobody understands - Lordy that’s a whole lot of fuel for the fire.

    Have a little faith in America, her people and the wonderful freedoms afforded to each and every lucky citizen. Granted, political correctness and bureaucracy need to be reigned in, but there’s a lot left in this old girl, albeit she definitely needs a political tune up. That fiat dollar some here passionately disrespect. It is still the world standard trade currency, not because we are America, but because America has a legal standard above reproach. No other country in the world has the trustworthiness of the United States. Would you or anyone else in their right mind favor an alternative supported by China or Russia?

     
  • taxpayer posted at 6:50 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    taxpayer Posts: 333

    that's what N Idaho has, negative people, you get what you focus on

     
  • Screen Name posted at 6:28 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    Screen Name Posts: 819

    The military complex, defense spending.

     
  • greyhound2 posted at 5:01 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    greyhound2 Posts: 805

    Very good. Refreshing to see somebody up on what is reality and what isn't.

     
  • DeNiles posted at 4:08 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    And so what industry or business sector does the US have such command of that it would be considered rock solid foundation, not only to sustain our economy, but to salvage the huge federal debt? We could at one time point to oil, steel, to the auto industry, to computers. Now we compete in a global economy and not on an even playing field. Other countries have dirt cheap labor. Other countries deploy protectionist policies. Etc, etc.

    What is America's beacon of economic strength that is unquestionably going to lead us through these times? And, the country yet to absorb the horrific expenses of our socialistic leaders intent on nationalizing health care. That will further stifle private sector growth and infringe deeply upon personal discretionary spending. Obama keeps touting the value of our holdings as the collateral sustaining his spendfare programs. 2 seconds after the dollar plummets the value of our holding tanks. Then the whole country is another Sacramento or Detroit and there is no plan 'B'.

     
  • milburnschmidt posted at 3:58 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    milburnschmidt Posts: 1161

    Interesting how some like to believe Idaho is a refuge for the paranoid and anti govt movement. Every state in the union is blessed with survivalist and prepper movements. Certainly our Govt is not presenting a image of unity or stability and anyone who sees it does needs glasses. For many reasons the growth of armed individuals seeing enemies behind every tree is growing. Oakland Ca lately showed why many feel this way when they turned over the streets to rioters protesting trayvon martin and those who just looked to incite violence. The police pulled out and sat on their hands. Many who have lived thru major riots in urban centers are aware of the fact you are on your own because the police wont come when needed. Our country is sick and divided and getting worse and as the middle class gets squeezed more it will escalate. Extremists on both sides of the aisle are stoking the disconnect and collecting big bucks doing it. WE need a president and a congress who can unite us not drive more wedges into the racial,gender and economic classifications which they use to punish and reward us. Until that changes look for more groups preaching disorder and dissatisfaction to come forward as the economy gets worse and racial divides escalate. People should be able to vote with their feet to escape excessive taxation and regulations and we are hearing from many who came to Idaho for that reason/. We also here from many who would like to turn Idaho into their own version of California east or other liberal states that are bankrupt and bleeding jobs and people. Those who turnout for these rallies should check to see who is driving he bandwagon and if it has adult supervision and beware of Jim Jones type leadership. Those who make fun of Idaho and less govt people and applaud big govt will change their minds when a different party is in control.

     
  • jmowreader posted at 3:57 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    jmowreader Posts: 1280

    I wonder if Vito Barbieri has read the entire Constitution - not just the Second and Tenth Amendments that the "patriot" movement likes a lot, but Article I, the part that controls Congress. Because he probably hasn't, here's Section 8, the Powers of Congress:

    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
    To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
    To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
    To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
    To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
    To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
    To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
    To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
    To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
    To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
    To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
    To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
    To provide and maintain a Navy;
    To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
    To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
    To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
    To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
    To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

    That is not a recipe for limited government. It is a construction that allows the Congress to do what it thinks proper to run the nation we live in.

    The thing the "patriot" movement either fails to admit or refuses to contend with, is this isn't the same country the Founders left us. The Founders were dealing with a nation of 3.5 million people spread out across 13 smallish states, with no motor vehicles, communication only through the mails, no electricity, no way to swindle a million people in fifteen minutes...that's not us. The problem then, is how do we translate the vision the Founders left into something that will work in a nation 100 times as large? The Democrats haven't figured that out, nor have the Republicans, but it's safe to assume that buying enough guns to fill an infantry company's arms room then barricading yourself off from society fifty miles up a road that's only passable three months out of the year is NOT the way to do it.

    I have been told that "teabagger syndrome" is in the new edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Illnesses. There might be something to that.

     
  • Peter posted at 3:40 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    Peter Posts: 638

    You make too many assumptions Willy. It's a legit question that could use an answer...you did not aswer it.

     
  • Peter posted at 3:37 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    Peter Posts: 638

    And if your endtimes prediction do not come to fruition then what?

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 3:10 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    LMYCDA Posts: 2071

    Profound!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     
  • Big Bear posted at 3:04 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    Big Bear Posts: 238

    Precisely. Now, Amurka is writing hot checks which the rest of the world cashes. 75% of our oil comes from foreign sources. Eventually, debtors are at the mercy of those who hold the purse strings.

    It's over. The Rubicon was crossed years ago. The USA will eventually split into several nations. How smoothly it will go depends on where you live. The former Soviet Union had a mostly peaceful split because of a homogenous population. Amurka is Balkanized, and as always in human history, tribal conflicts will prevail.

    Idaho is a great place to live. I envision some sort of alliance with the western provinces of Canada. The similarities between the Inland Northwest and BC/Alberta are much stronger than with most of the current USA.

     
  • greyhound2 posted at 2:33 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    greyhound2 Posts: 805

    What could cause a collapse is if the US dollar was no longer the world's reserve currency. After WWII, the US dollar replaced the British Sterling as the world's reserve currency due to the war. China has been working to unseat the US dollar and has, for example, reached an agreement with Russia to settle trade obligations for oil and goods in rubles or yuan rather then first converting into US dollars. A lack of confidence by the rest of the world in the ability of Congress to manage its budget and debts and the suspension as the world's reserve currency, would cause a collapse of the US economy overnight as the US would not be able to pay its debts by just printing more dollars.

     
  • riversharkes posted at 1:30 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    riversharkes Posts: 99

    2nd amendment first four words...
    "A WELL REGULATED MILITIA"
    the congress and THE CONSTITUTION give the government the authority to regulate the militia. If you consider yourself a part of the militia then the government can regulate YOU

     
  • DiViAnt posted at 12:24 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    DiViAnt Posts: 85

    HREI and SPLC definitely promote hate and are backed by G. Soros who is funding the breach of the Jewish Gaza Strip blockade. Why are these progressive lefties so self-loathing?

     
  • will-- posted at 12:18 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    will-- Posts: 960

    "Why is it that these fringe types become active during a democratic administration?"

    What are they teaching kids in school these days? ... get yourself a copy of the U.S. Constitution and read it.

     
  • will-- posted at 11:47 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    will-- Posts: 960

    "What could possibly be more logical?!"

    The local Human Rights Education Institute endorsing a hate group like the Southern Poverty Law Center.

     
  • Peter posted at 11:39 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    Peter Posts: 638

    Why is it that these fringe types become active during a democratic administration?

     
  • Peter posted at 11:37 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    Peter Posts: 638

    Yep...irony.

     
  • Peter posted at 11:36 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    Peter Posts: 638

    And if it doesn't then what?

     
  • Big Bear posted at 11:12 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    Big Bear Posts: 238

    A system based on infinite growth with finite resources is meant to fail.

    Once their computers stop communicating, the 1000-year Reich is over. The hatred for the Amurkin Empire and its nosy-parkers is growing domestically. Overseas, it has be fomenting for years as the Empire puts it jackboots on everyone.

    I'm not trying to push inevitability along. I'm only looking forward to it.

     
  • Big Bear posted at 11:06 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    Big Bear Posts: 238

    Now, I did not attend this rally because it would only have been an affirmation of how we live our lives now. And, it is likely infiltrated by nosy-parker creeps from SPLC and other media groups.

    The Empire is being backed into a corner and getting more and more paranoid and creepy every day. The psychopaths who run the show know they can't defeat an armed citizenry, so they will start World War 3 (since they can't stay out of anyone's business, even outside our borders). The best laid plans...

    I no longer care about the System. We've shut off it's propaganda, and dropped out of the process. Living out on the frontier makes it easy.

     
  • DiViAnt posted at 10:46 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    DiViAnt Posts: 85

    Why do most believe that America will never fall? Investors and Preppers alike will lose everything. Even if you have allodial title to your estate, you will still lose it. The new authority might let you remain living in your house. If you have been labeled a domestic terrorist, you will likely be eliminated quietly.

     
  • max power posted at 10:03 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    max power Posts: 559

    *** Comrade Obama Promises That Taxes Will Go Up For Everyone But "You" ***

    Comrade Obama reassured the Nation today that taxes would indeed have to go up, but only for other people. "It's time I started dealing with the 17 trillion dollar national debt," said Obama. We simply can't continue to run annual trillion dollar deficits.

    I would like to take this opportunity to reasure all of the Democrat freeloaders, leeches, parasites, dependents and victims that voted for me, that while taxes will increase, they won't increase for "You". For productive Republicans most definitely, but just not for "You", said Obama. You can rest assured that your taxes will stay the same.

    An Obama supporter and long time freeloader from "bankrupt" Detroit said he "breathed a sigh of relief" at that. I knew when Comrade Obama said "You" that he meant me, and I was relieved to know that I wouldn't have to pay Federal Income Taxes. As part of the 47% of deadbeats that don't pay Federal Income Taxes I'll rest a bit easier now!

    Another long time supporter from "bankrupt" Stockton, California said he had become disillusioned with Comrade Obama's handling of the economy, but he felt better once he knew that other people/republicans would be paying higher taxes. He said, "I know that sounds selfish, but I guess I have to take care of myself. I don't want my parents to kick me and my family out of their basement." He then added, "They'd do it too. They voted for Romney!"

     
  • Mahiun posted at 10:02 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    Mahiun Posts: 5173

    Not to mention a very large number of Californians!

     
  • Flash Gordon posted at 9:45 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    Flash Gordon Posts: 1337

    I suppose if you predict certain things long enough they're bound to happen. In this particular case, it hasn't. The apocalyptic revelers have been wrong....they've been wrong for well over 2000 years. They have mistakenly believed that "a someone" is going to rescue them from themselves.....that has never happened nor is it ever going to happen. History is not on their side.

    These people are not very good decision makers, mostly because of their base beliefs and core values. Eric Hoffer describes them quite well in "The True Believer". I will agree though, that the rest of society,in many instances, needs to be protected from them and what they see as a certain "inevitability". These people have a certain desire to "help or push" inevitability along, which suggests an ironic twist to their look into our future......

     
  • Why Not posted at 9:07 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    Why Not Posts: 4509

    Oh sure, Max Keiser the conspiracy monger, so highly respected that he's only on the RT network. The Russian Television Network, the one true anti Ameriican channel making MSNBC seem like Sesame Street, real Patriot stuff eh?

     
  • smndnl1 posted at 9:02 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    smndnl1 Posts: 122

    What is dangerous Mike is the current path we are on, not those sounding the alarm about it. How is that dangerous? Dangerous is sticking your head in the sand to endless trillion dollar deficits and unsustainable economic policies in order to prop up the short term and keep people like you in line and voting the proper way....all at the expense of the future. Under our current economic plan, there is no future, only getting thru today. Seeing that for what it is is hardly dangerous, it's common sense. But anything that differs from leftist thought is always dangerous as there is no room in their world for differences.

     
  • Miketeague posted at 8:24 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    Miketeague Posts: 2162

    If being prepared makes you a patriot then Mormons have been patriots for over 100 years.
    Actually having at least a 72 hour emergency supply is common sense, but the paranoia these people preach is not only non-productive its dangerous.

     
  • Mahiun posted at 8:05 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    Mahiun Posts: 5173

    So, just to be clear: they got permission from the government to use a publicly owned area and facility to tell each other how the government can't be trusted to do anything, and how public facilities should be shunned and avoided? And they did this by quoting a "fiercely independent individual" 4th-rate author who "produced" nothing but bad fiction and worse screenplays for most of her life, before claiming government benefits under a non-publicized name?

    What could possibly be more logical?!

     
  • AnonymousCda posted at 8:04 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    AnonymousCda Posts: 307

    At least Idaho has not become North Carolina which is following apart by destroying the weakest an vulnerable to austerity laws and usurping laws against the people.

    check out "Keiser Report" on true economic information. Not the propaganda of the Federal Reserve and Dow Jones. The Fed keeps on printing money continues to devalue the dollar in turn increasing costs to all consumers (austerity).

     
  • smndnl1 posted at 8:02 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    smndnl1 Posts: 122

    LMYCDA always kicking in with his childish prose and responses. I wonder if he ever rereads his responses and sees how pathetically ridiculous they are. The complete lack of coherent argument is as astounding as his/her childish taunting tone.

    It's funny how the left has no problem with violent marches all over the country by misdirected racists such as Al Sharpton but wastes no time disparaging any assortment of conservatives no matter their cause. It's not my cup of tea but its always so glorious seeing the haters on the left come out of the woodwork to demonize and disparage anything that doesn't match their narrow minded view of the world and how people should act. The complete lack of objectivity matches the total hypocrisy of the left.

     
  • Why Not posted at 6:28 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    Why Not Posts: 4509

    Okay GOMR, so what about New York, thier boy Anthony and Mayor Big Gulp Bloomberg, or how about San Diego Mayor Filner? Seems to me that the problem is the class of people we are electing, not whether the state is Red or Blue, Democrat or Republican.

     
  • voxpop posted at 6:24 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    voxpop Posts: 738

    In the early 1800's Steven Kellogg wrote a short children's story, very popular then and now, about a little chicken who gets hit on the head with an acorn. Much paranoia ensues. Not much has changed, has it.

     
  • Why Not posted at 6:23 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    Why Not Posts: 4509

    High Five Screen Name, point well made :)

     
  • Screen Name posted at 6:05 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    Screen Name Posts: 819

    Here is the first sentence of the article: "Hundreds of self-described patriots turned out for a three-day patriot rally here this weekend to learn how to organize and prepare for what they consider to be the imminent collapse of our economy."

    Here is the last sentence: "Our intention is to do this again," he said. "Hopefully for multiple years to come."

    Incongruity? If the collapse is imminent, why would you be able to hold the readiness event for multiple years to come? The whole thing sounds like a means to create demand for the goods and services being provided by the vendors.

    “There's a sucker born every minute.”
    ― P.T. Barnum

     
  • coexist posted at 5:58 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    coexist Posts: 17

    Yep..... we grow 'em smart up here. Thank you for my morning comic relief.

     
  • Why Not posted at 5:56 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    Why Not Posts: 4509

    Matt Shea, the same moron who confronted a motorist whom he judged to be in the wrong, then who waved a hand gun scaring the be-jesus out of the poor guy while chasing him through Spokane. What a peach of a guy he is.

    It’s not uncommon I guess to have a family member, someone seemingly with sufficient common sense, become convinced the end is near. We had one, a physician in fact, who in the 1960’s was certain the country was about to collapse. He bought gold, planned to shelter in culverts, hoarded food, guns and ammo and trained my cousins how to bug out. Frankly it was whacky to everyone else in the family.

    Preparedness though is a good thing because natural disasters do happen and with little advanced notice. Safety, having enough food and water to support the family for a week or more, to heat, to keep the lights on is smart preparation. Taking it to the extremes as some do is just paranoid behavior rooted in farfetched conspiracies, assumptions and unfortunately at this particular time in our country’s short history, bigotry.

     
  • Good_Ole_Mitt_Romney posted at 5:53 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    Good_Ole_Mitt_Romney Posts: 153

    Idaho - a Red State, a bunch of weird people. Thanks for the laughs. If it wasn't for this state, then South Carolina would be the number one comedy show. LOL

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 5:26 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    LMYCDA Posts: 2071

    I totally agree Cookie.

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 5:12 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    LMYCDA Posts: 2071

    Did everyone see that was a HUGE I mean HUGE meeting of the KKK in Spirit Lake. There was SIX

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 5:10 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    LMYCDA Posts: 2071

    Pearce quoted Ayn Rand ...NOW that tells ya something don't it...

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 5:09 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    LMYCDA Posts: 2071

    Only in Idaho!!! Can anyone say CUCKOO!!!!

     
  • Cookie posted at 2:49 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    Cookie Posts: 90

    SO MUCH PARANOIA. Really.

     
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