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Cd'A School Board may move up decision about controversial program

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Posted: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 12:00 am

Time may be running out for the controversial Primary Years Programme at Hayden Meadows Elementary School, despite support shown at recent school board meetings by parents and educators who laud the program.

"My children have blossomed and thrived ... We just came here in January and the difference that I have seen in each one of my children is remarkable," said parent Ashlie Unruh, speaking to district trustees at the Sept. 10 school board meeting.

Unruh was among several parents who testified at the meeting, expressing concern about the future of the district's "schools of choice," especially PYP at Hayden Meadows. Dozens of other parents observed the meeting, many showing their support by wearing pro-PYP T-shirts.

Heather Riviere said she and her husband send their children to Hayden Meadows, "Because as the IB website says, the PYP 'promotes inter-cultural understanding and respect, not as an alternative to a sense of cultural and national identity, but as an essential part of life in the 21st century.'"

The parents addressed the board during the time set aside for members of the public to speak regarding non-agenda items, so no further board discussion took place following the parents' testimony.

PYP, a framework for curriculum offered through the International Baccalaureate Organization, has been at the center of public controversy for several years in the Coeur d'Alene School District. Opponents claim IB programs promote a political, philosophical agenda while passionate supporters, including parents and educators, embrace the program's inquiry-based learning structure and celebrate the results they see in their students.

School board chair Tom Hamilton told The Press Tuesday that trustees had planned to research the value of PYP throughout the next few months, but that plan may change.

"While we would have liked to have taken a measured approach, a group of parents who have been militant in their support of PYP, have really taken away that opportunity," Hamilton said.

He said he has recently been contacted by roughly 20 Hayden Meadows families who claim that because they don't support the PYP program, they have been intimidated by supporters of PYP, mainly parents he said, and some faculty.

Hamilton would not identify the parents who have contacted him, saying they wish to remain anonymous because they feel they have been bullied and fear retribution if they speak out.

Hayden Meadows Principal Lisa Pica said she has not heard from any parents who feel intimidated or that they have been bullied.

"If it's happening, I'm not aware of it," Pica said. "I have stood firm that this is a place for teaching and learning, and I will continue to do that."

The board intended to have an independent third-party firm provide unbiased information about PYP to all Hayden Meadows parents, including some of the reasons people oppose it, Hamilton said. The firm would also survey families to see how many parents are there because they want PYP.

"And how many are like me, and they're there against their will," Hamilton said.

The controversy is beginning to affect learning at the school, he said.

Hamilton said he personally opposes PYP because while it's not a curriculum, it's a teaching method that comes with a philosophy and with values embedded in it. And parents who want to send their children to their neighborhood school don't have an opportunity to opt out of PYP, he said.

"Its basic philosophy is contrary to my values," Hamilton said.

PYP teaches moral relativism, he said, describing it as the belief that other people can have different value systems and both be right. He said he and his wife raise their kids to believe in moral absolutes.

"Is it wrong for me to teach my kids that there are factions of Islam that are dangerous? PYP doesn't teach that," he said. "I raise my children in a Judeo-Christian religion that teaches love, not hate, but not necessarily tolerance."

A 2010 school district task force indicated that IB does not teach moral relativism, but rather "compassion and tolerance for the diversity of beliefs, core principles, and experiences that define moral behaviors in our community, in our state, our nation, and around the world."

Riviere told the board on Sept. 10: "PYP does not teach students what to think about anything, but rather teaches them analytical skills they can use to learn about and truly understand any subject."

Hamilton said his own issue with PYP began with his own experiences as a Hayden Meadows parent. A teacher told his daughter that if her parents take her to church, they're teaching her to believe in "ghosts and fairy tales." When Hamilton complained, he said the teacher used PYP principles to defend the action.

Hamilton said he does not think he has the right to force his values on anyone else's children.

"I also don't believe a public school has the right to teach against what I believe," Hamilton said.

The school district does offer Hayden Meadows parents an alternative to PYP, the opportunity to transfer their children to another non-PYP elementary school - Dalton, Skyway or Atlas, depending on where they live. The district is willing to provide transportation in these cases.

There is no immediate plan for trustees to take action on whether to continue PYP at Hayden Meadows, but the board could consider it at its next meeting on Oct. 1.

Citing poor enrollment and unimpressive test scores, trustees decided in August to pull the plug on the IB Diploma Programme offered at Lake City High School. At that time, trustee Terri Seymour said she would like the board to take an objective look at PYP before deciding whether to retain that element of IB in the district.

Despite any controversy, enrollment is up at the school. Last year, Hayden Meadows had 580 registered students and now enrollment is 619. At times, there are waiting lists for some grades, Pica said. Under the school district's open enrollment policy, parents are able to have their children attend any district school, provided there is room. This year there are 69 students who have transferred in to Hayden Meadows, with 56 from within the district and 13 from outside. There are 17 students who have transferred out.

Matt Handelman, the district's associate superintendent, said they can't attribute the incoming or outgoing students to the presence of PYP, but from a business standpoint, a significantly larger influx of students is positive.

Steve Griffitts, president of Jobs Plus, Kootenai County's nonprofit economic development agency and husband of a teacher at Hayden Meadows, told The Press that visitors to the area are impressed by the presence of PYP in Coeur d'Alene.

"They see that our focus is on excellent education, that we strive for it, whether it's PYP, KTEC (the new professional-technical high school), or North Idaho College. If we lose any of these programs, we will lose in our efforts to recruit great companies," Griffitts said.

During the Sept. 10 board meeting, trustees discussed the new five-star ratings assigned to Idaho schools by the state department of education. The ratings are a move away from measuring school performance by student achievement test performance alone. The star system includes a component that measures and factors in individual student academic growth in grades four and five.

Hayden Meadows received a three-star rating, scoring 65, two points away from receiving four stars.

Duncan Koler, an anti-IB activist who removed a child from Hayden Meadows several years ago because of PYP, testified following the star rating presentation.

"I think PYP is a failed social experiment just like IB has been in our district," Koler said. "I look forward to further airing of the performance data. At least by one significant measure, it does appear that there was a significant drop-off at Hayden Meadows."

With its three-star rating, Hayden Meadows still has some of the highest reading scores among district elementary schools, in grades that are not accounted for in the star point calculations. The school's adequate yearly progress scores, based on student proficiency on achievement tests, still exceed state benchmarks.

According to the state department of education's overview of the star rating system: "Three-star schools will be recognized as doing a good job for students, but will also be required to develop an improvement plan for certain areas in which the school could improve academic achievement."

Associate Superintendent Handelman said that because all schools in the district, regardless of star ratings, are required to have improvement plans, Hayden Meadows is ahead of the game.

"The bottom line is that there is great teaching and learning happening at Hayden Meadows," he said.

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  • flem posted at 2:19 am on Thu, Dec 20, 2012.

    flem Posts: 29

    I love the controversy, but it is unfortunate that, too many people have opinions on things they know nothing about. femmes russes

  • Almost an IB Parent posted at 5:22 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

    Almost an IB Parent Posts: 46

    Most people opposed to IB are afraid to speak up. In my community the media initally said I was the only one who opposed IB. Then they said "small but vocal group, opposes IB." I believe this is what the IB consultant tells the IB supporters to say.

    We only have about 950 students K-12. When our petition hit 200, they quit saying these things. By the end of IB our petition had over 350 signatures, and only the far left still supported this ridiculous programme.

  • Truth About IB posted at 6:11 am on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

    Truth About IB Posts: 74

    Seems to me the MAJORITY of CDA voters duly elected representatives who opposed IB. The "small but vocal minority" are the IB supporters. Use your critical thinking skills, cdanative33!

  • parent posted at 10:38 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    parent Posts: 347

    It's a neighborhood school. Send your kids to St. George's in Spokane if you want PYP. Let the neighborhood kids and families have their school back. Simple solution and everyone wins. Test scores will improve and community will no longer be torn apart.

  • Shocked posted at 8:48 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    Shocked Posts: 98

    Cda native nailed it. Glad someone could bring closure to this debate.

  • cdanative33 posted at 7:36 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    cdanative33 Posts: 386

    The fact is that a small but vocal minority is attempting to take away what the majority of parents at hm want. If you don't like it, send your kid to a different school...they'll even bus you there for free. But don't take that choice away from parents that want it.

  • parent posted at 4:32 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    parent Posts: 347

    I'm not sure that those PYP/IB parents, teachers and community members can be respectful. All I see is angry feelings and rudeness. They are not real"tolerant" folks! I would hope they could get back to the facts and leave the emotion out of it.

    Thanks for intervening, sorry it was necessary.

  • Humanist posted at 10:52 am on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3224

    Quote: "The name-calling and playground insults must stop."

    I hope the Press can manage to apply that same principle to all other comment threads that occur here. The name-calling and personal attacks are certainly not anything new here and it generally goes entirely unchecked.

  • posted at 9:18 am on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.


    Idahotrigirl/Sorryjim: First, thanks for publicly apologizing to Mr. Purtee and for your call yesterday apologizing to The Press.

    I just checked with our site administrator and he says you should be able to post as idahotrigirl.

    I do agree with Jim Purtee's comment below: The name-calling and playground insults must stop. We can passionately disagree on this and other topics - respectfully.

  • Truth About IB posted at 8:00 am on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    Truth About IB Posts: 74

    I read nothing that constituted "slander". A situation was presented, the teacher's response was elucidated, and the point was well made. Had he said, "The stupid, brainwashed, incompetent, blah blah teacher" who everyone could have figured out who he was talking about was publicly aired, then you could try and challenge with a trumped up slander charge. I see no evidence to fit your allegation.

  • Truth About IB posted at 7:55 am on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    Truth About IB Posts: 74

    Let's be clear. The PYP is NOT a curriculum, therefore it CANNOT be measured as a curriculum. The PYP is nothing more than a very expensive "beliefs and values FRAMEWORK" which is imposed upon and integrated throughout your Idaho state standards.

    It is for this very reason that there are NO scholarly reports or quantitative studies proving the PYP as a superior educational program. None, nada, zip. If there were, you could rest assured that IBO would be singing them from the Swiss Alps.

  • apathoid posted at 6:07 am on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    apathoid Posts: 211

    Not quotes came with links so you could see what the nitwit said for himself. I didn't put the words in his mouth, I just passed them along.

  • involvedparent posted at 11:11 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    involvedparent Posts: 27

    "The bottom line is that there is great teaching and learning happening at Hayden Meadows," he said.

    Love that last paragraph.

  • involvedparent posted at 10:42 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    involvedparent Posts: 27

    Well, at least we agree on condemning the school board.

    But don't throw stones out of your glass house, apathoid. You too have been misquoting & calling names.

  • apathoid posted at 10:14 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    apathoid Posts: 211

    So through "very objective and tolerant thinking" we learn that when you can't win an argument with logic you refer to people's wives as strippers and mail order brides? I'm quite certain that is what we want our public schools to be about.

    For the first time I shall condemn the school board...for not running this program out sooner than they have!

  • cdanative33 posted at 9:39 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    cdanative33 Posts: 386

    On another note...It's quit hilarious to see one anonymous blogger deriding another anonymous blogger for blogging anonymously.

    I'll shall proudly remain anonymous.

  • cdanative33 posted at 9:10 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    cdanative33 Posts: 386

    Sounds like your skin needs to get a little tougher if you want to be appointed to a public office Mr. Purtee. That was the most adolescent "non" acceptance of an apology I've heard in quite sometime.

    Evidence of the fault in your issue with pyp and your subsequent use of its underpinnings as a defense for your stance against it is that you want the people on this blog to use the very objective and tolerant thinking that you seek to remove from the curriculum of Hayden Meadows. Your sarcasm and condescenscion has only strengthened the opposing viewpoint.

    You make good omelettes though.

  • involvedparent posted at 8:31 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    involvedparent Posts: 27

    You have no idea who your audience glass overflows. Maybe to a fault.
    Not sure what I said that got you so riled, but "objective" you are not.

    In my community we love & support SD 271; we hate that this current school board is in it for political agendas and not for the children. That would be be community I am living in. You?
    You are aware that Mr. Purtee stated he only has two things to accomplish on this board, right?
    I only wish he would address my questions. Because if I am mistaken, then maybe some confidence can be restored. Alas, rhetorical questions are such a bummer.

    (Oh, and by the way, what I read was Mr. Purtee comparing himself to the President of the United States of America. Did I read wrongly? If so, I apologize. Thanks for being objective, though, and calling my perspective ignorant.)

  • objective posted at 7:30 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    objective Posts: 73

    ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! You see ms. involvedparent, those are exactly the kind of ignorant remarks that is the problem with being anonymous. This community has had enough of it!!
    I'm reading exactly the things you are and Mr. Purtee...who by the way choose to have the character to use his real name...NEVER compared himself the anyone..let alone the President. So why would you say that?!
    Further.."the community has no confidence?" Are you kidding me..again?! What community are you living in for goodness sake.
    If I were to are a hopeless critic. The glass is ALWAYS half empty!
    Enjoy your sad life.

  • Almost an IB Parent posted at 7:07 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Almost an IB Parent Posts: 46

    IB will NOT improve student performance:

    Here's what some international teachers say about IB,

    Get rid of this controversal programme, focus on real education in real subjects.

  • Almost an IB Parent posted at 7:06 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Almost an IB Parent Posts: 46

    IB will NOT improve student performance:

    Here's what some international teachers say about IB,

    Get rid of this controversal programme, focus on real education in real subjects.

  • Purtee posted at 6:08 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Purtee Posts: 3

    As an adult it was inexcusable. But thank you for the apology.
    To all who post one opinion or another:
    Part of the IB/PYP philosophy is imparting the importance of understanding, embracing other opinions, recognizing differences and saying "thats okay", etc. ... My suggestion is that those attributes might have something to offer to many who "blog" here or write letters. After all, it is what you are wanting the kids to learn.
    State opinion on the facts. Respect others as individuals.
    See you all at future board meetings.

  • Sorryjim posted at 5:52 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Sorryjim Posts: 2

    Oh, this is other name is not posting.

  • Sorryjim posted at 5:43 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Sorryjim Posts: 2

    Jim, I am sorry that I made that comment regarding your wife. It was out of line. We as parents can all agree that when our children and their education are involved, it brings out a side of us that can be nasty. Again, i apologize.

  • involvedparent posted at 4:35 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    involvedparent Posts: 27

    Nope. Wide awake.
    Have you been in our school? The only thing happening is quality teaching and rigorous learning. No training. No ACORN. You have no idea who you are talking to or what you are talking about.

  • involvedparent posted at 4:21 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    involvedparent Posts: 27

    Ask Hamilton who is wasting the taxpayers dime.

  • involvedparent posted at 3:21 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    involvedparent Posts: 27

    Welcome Mr. Purtee. Taking yourself pretty seriously...are you really comparing yourself to the President of the United States?
    In any case...would love it if you would speak to a few things. Our community has zero confidence in you and the board you are on, but give it a try anyway.

    1. Aside from your point blank statements to remove IB throughout our district, is it really your intent to remove extra curricular activities in our schools as well??

    2. I hear your board plans to make up their deficit by overcharging for rentals of school grounds. Is that true?? I'm sure you are aware that this would make it impossible for many families in our area to afford for their children to participate in community sports & activities outside of school.

    I'll leave it at that for now, just the tip of the iceberg you are floating on.
    I look forward to your response.

    We'll see you at the meeting.

  • apathoid posted at 3:10 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    apathoid Posts: 211

    Is it just me, or does Adam Graves seem overly obsessed with Hamilton? I think we've got the makings of a man crush here. Love / hate is a thin line...

  • involvedparent posted at 3:05 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    involvedparent Posts: 27

    Not true, "parent."

    The scores do say it all. Hayden Meadows PERformance is outstanding.

  • objective posted at 2:56 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    objective Posts: 73


  • objective posted at 2:55 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    objective Posts: 73

    AG: first of all Tom did not slander anyone(as I read it) if he is quoting facts. If names aren't used..then again...NO slander.
    And a note to all the pro pyp bloggers and letter up on how to lobby because clearly you folks have NO CLUE.
    Most of your remarks can easily be viewed as bullying, attempt to intimidate and/or threaten. That will win you NO votes for sure.
    You sound like a bunch of cry baby 6 yr olds screaming "Johnny took my toy, Johnny took my toy :( !
    For Christ's sake...its a program and life goes on...with or with out it!
    Be adult about it, state opinion on the program and your facts and respect other opinions...wether in line with yours or not!
    Boy!! talk about poppin in your own nest! man o man.
    Glad I don't have a dog in this hunt.

  • adamgraves posted at 2:20 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    adamgraves Posts: 47

    LieaboutIB yes i am ignorant of this rule. So tom can slander a teacher so long as not naming them directly? Please do tell.

  • posted at 1:30 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.


    Idahotrigirl, you're on notice. You've contributed a lot of substance to the discussion but ruin your credibility with personal insults. Any more personal attacks from you and you'll be banned from the site.
    - Mike Patrick, editor

  • Purtee posted at 1:11 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Purtee Posts: 3

    Idahotrigirl you are very close to a defamation of character suit... and I have the means to persue it! My wife of 15 years is someone I met in Europe and is a University graduate in foreign languages. She also has a BA in accounting and is well respected by all who know her. She is the mother of our 8 year old daughter and is tireless in the attention she gives to Maria's education. Maria is in private school because we "chose" to have as a part of her education a Christian philosophy not offered in the public schools. My other two children are public school graduates. I suppose our current President, past presidents, etc. who place their children in private schools for their own reasons are incapable of administering the nation's public schools? What of trustees who have no children at all?
    I expect an apology in this blog...from YOU.
    Tread carefully. Focus on the argument...not character assassination.

  • idahotrigirl posted at 12:45 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    idahotrigirl Posts: 32

    Parent and Truth, it stands for triathlon, not that it has anything to do with the matter at hand here. How am I out of line? I don't see a problem pointing out the types of people that are making choices for our children's education. I would like to see a "show of hands" for how many of you commenting on this topic actually have kids attending Hayden Meadows?

  • parent posted at 11:42 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    parent Posts: 347

    The scores say it all Randy. Hayden Meadows is one of the lowest preforming in our district. Pretty simple.

  • Truth About IB posted at 6:41 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Truth About IB Posts: 74

    The bullied parents DID stand up for themselves and voted Mr. Hamilton in, in the privacy of a voting booth so they didn't have to publicly reveal themselves to the IB extremists in CDA. Elections have consequences. Live with it.

  • Truth About IB posted at 6:39 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Truth About IB Posts: 74


    Are you completely ignorant of rules regarding confidentiality when it comes to the Board discussing personnel? Apparently so.

  • Truth About IB posted at 6:35 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Truth About IB Posts: 74

    And yet Humanist has zero tolerance for Christians who simply want their children to be taught ACADEMICS in their public schools.

  • Almost an IB Parent posted at 6:20 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Almost an IB Parent Posts: 46

    Districts do not answer the serious IB questions or acknowledge the political and religious concerns with IB. Anyone who opposes IB or asks difficult questions becomes a target of the district and the IB supporters.

    Here is the quintessential example of what IB does to communities. Stow-Monroe Falls, Ohio has a battle raging over IB implementation. Three of the five board members were changed, mostly due to IB and a vote recount has been ordered. Here is a snapshot of their IB facebook page on 12/3/11.

    Districts do not allow an open and honest IB discussion. Here is the IB document on how to squelch the opposition,

  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 6:17 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969

    A PYP Classroom example of training;

    A teacher asked her 6th grade class how many of them were Obama fans.

    Not really knowing what an Obama fan is, but wanting to be liked by the teacher,
    all the kids raised their hands except for Little Johnny.

    The teacher asked Little Johnny why he has decided to be different..again.
    Little Johnny said, "Because I'm not an Obama fan."

    The teacher asked, "Why aren't you a fan of Obama?" Johnny said, "Because
    I'm a Republican."

    The teacher asked him why he's a Republican. Little Johnny answered,
    "Well, my Mom's a Republican and my Dad's a Republican, so I'm a Republican."

    Annoyed by this answer, the teacher asked, "If your mom was a moron and your
    dad was an idiot, what would that make you?"

    With a big smile, Little Johnny replied,

    "That would make me an Obama fan."

  • Almost an IB Parent posted at 6:14 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Almost an IB Parent Posts: 46

    Here is what some international teachers and administrators say about IB,

    "In my opinion MYP has no educational value."

    One educator writes,
    "When the IB slithered into our school I was forced to act as the PYP coordinator for one year. Being the principal of the elementary school I had to sit and watch the school that I built get destroyed."

    Another IB teacher writes,
    "I have worked in three IB schools in South America and the Middle East and in each one have experienced nothing but chaotic teaching and students lacking basic skills in math, English and science."

  • Almost an IB Parent posted at 6:10 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Almost an IB Parent Posts: 46

    PYP is required school wide. PYP will not improve student performance,

    Per the IB the goal of IB is to "develop attitudes," and get the students to "take action."

    IB is a very expensive,

    This expensive, UN sponsored programme, will develop attitudes and get students to take action, but it will not improve student performance.

    If this were a Rush Limbaugh sponsored program some of the IB supporters would object, and so would I.

    As an educator I believe we should keep the ideology out of the classroom.

  • inclined posted at 1:45 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    inclined Posts: 681

    "The mission statement of the International Baccalaureate Organization
    The International Baccalaureate Organization aims to develop inquiring, knowledgeable and
    caring young people who help to create a better and more peaceful world through intercultural
    understanding and respect.
    To this end the IBO works with schools, governments and international organizations to develop
    challenging programmes of international education and rigorous assessment.
    These programmes encourage students across the world to become active, compassionate and
    lifelong learners who understand that other people, with their differences, can also be right."

    It seems we have a sampling on this blog of dedicated and devoted adherents to the IBO curriculum, and specifically as relates to PYP, one of it’s three application divisions.

    For the many low informed, and/or committed to a UN, UNESCO program in dedication to those who, because they are so endowed by ‘god’ and who believe that the United States of America has not singularly, among all the nations of the world, demonstrated a Law, the Constitution of this country, and rule of law, that has demonstrated among other things, the giving of support, morally, financially, militarily, benevolently, to nearly every one of the 192 world nations, out of the oldest living Democratic Republic government in the world, out of a Moral foundation and enlightenment like none other.

    This government could have been emulated by those nations that demonstrated genocidal madness in the murder of over 150 millions of lives, but like the many nations of Europe, Asia, the Americas, Africa, the far east, chose lesser governments by lesser minds, with lesser powers of design and practice, and only added to conditions that push the limits of mankind’s powers of accumulated will and intelligence to deal with still a more insane movement of “love” and control, that surely could, if only educated correctly, change, and with open arms accept the best instruction the world could ever hope for in a program that is nothing more than an enterprise of simple materialism, shrewd capitalist selling a product as old as the oldest hucksters on earth, out there for a buck, bottled up and promised to cure your worst ills.

    In pushing a program of Global learning, here is a sampling of the “caring”, you as adults are supporting to those you sponsor for inculcation. Here is a sampling of their more “peaceful world, through intercultural understanding and respect.” Here is a sampling of “challenging programs of international education and rigorous assessment”. Here is a sample of the mind and heart of people, right here in our little world, of people, “who understand that other people, with their differences, can also be right”.

    *Acts Against Religion in the last 3 1/2 Years
    1 Obama’s Acts of Hostility toward People of Biblical faith:
    • 4/09 When speaking at Georgetown University, Obama orders that a monogram symbolizing Jesus' name be covered during his speech.
    • 4/09 Obama is the 1st president to decline to host services for the National Prayer Day since it was established by federal law in 1952.
    • 4/09 In a deliberate act of disrespect, Obama nominated three pro-abortion ambassadors to the Vatican; of course, the Vatican rejected all three.
    • 10/10 Obama deliberately omits the phrase about "the Creator" when quoting the Declaration of Independence - an omission he has made on no less than seven occasions.
    • 11/10 Obama misquotes the National Motto, saying it is "E pluribus Unum" rather than "In God We Trust" as established by federal law.
    • 1/11 After a federal law was passed to transfer a WWI Memorial in the Mojave Desert to private ownership, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the cross in the memorial could continue to stand. But the Obama administration refused to allow the land to be transferred as required by law, and refused to allow the cross to be re-erected as ordered by the Court.
    • 2/11 Although he filled posts in the State Department, for more than two years Obama did not fill the post of religious freedom ambassador, an official that works against religious persecution across the world; he filled it only after heavy pressure from the public and from Congress.
    • 4/11 For the first time in American history, Obama urges passage of a non-discrimination law that does not contain hiring protections for religious groups, forcing religious organizations to hire according to federal mandates without regard to the dictates of their own faith, thus eliminating conscience protection in hiring.
    • 11/11Obama opposes inclusion of President Franklin Roosevelt's famous D-Day Prayer in the WWII Memorial.
    • 11/11Unlike previous presidents, Obama studiously avoids any religious references in his Thanksgiving speech.
    • 1/12 The Obama administration argues that the First Amendment provides no protection for churches & synagogues in hiring their pastors & rabbis.
    • 2/12 The Obama administration forgives student loans in exchange for public service, but announces it will no longer forgive student loans if the public service is related to religion.
    • 2/12 Obama’s Acts of Hostility from the Obama-led Military toward People of Biblical faith:
    • 8/11 The Air Force stops teaching the Just War theory to officers in California because the course is taught by chaplains and is based on a philosophy introduced by St. Augustine in the third century AD - a theory long taught by civilized nations across the world (except America).
    • 9/11Air Force Chief of Staff prohibits commanders from notifying airmen of programs and services available to them from chaplains.
    • 9/11The Army issues guidelines for Walter Reed Medical Center stipulating that "No religious items (i.e. Bibles, reading materials and/or facts) are allowed to be given away or used during a visit."
    • 11/11 The Air Force Academy rescinds support for Operation Christmas Child, a program to send holiday gifts to impoverished children across the world, because the program is run by a Christian charity.
    • 11/11 The Air Force Academy pays $80,000 to add a Stonehenge-like worship center for druids, witches and Wiccans.
    • 2/12 The U.S. Military Academy at West Point uninvited three star Army general and decorated war hero Lieutenant General William G. ("Jerry") Boykin (retired) from speaking at an event because he is an outspoken Christian."
    • 2/12 The Air Force removes "God" from the patch of Rapid Capabilities Office (the word on the patch was in Latin: Dei)
    • 2/12 The Army orders Catholic chaplains not to read a letter to parishioners that their archbishop asked them to read.
    3 Obama’s Acts of Hostility toward Biblical Values:
    • 1/09 Obama lifts restrictions on U.S. government funding for groups that provide abortion services or counseling abroad, forcing taxpayers to fund pro-abortion groups that either promote or perform abortions in other nations.
    • 1/09 Obama’s deputy secretary of state asserts that taxpayers are required to pay for abortions and that limits on its funding are unconstitutional.
    • 3/09 The Obama administration shut out pro-life groups from attending a White House-sponsored health care summit.
    • 3/09 Obama gave $50 million for the UNFPA, the UN population agency that promotes abortion and works closely with Chinese population control officials who use forced abortions and involuntary sterilizations.
    • 3/09The White House budget eliminates all funding for abstinence-only education and replaces it with “comprehensive” sexual education, repeatedly proven to increase teen pregnancies and abortions.
    • 5/09 Obama officials assemble a terrorism dictionary calling pro-life advocates violent and charging that they use racism in their “criminal” activities.
    • 7/09The Obama administration illegally extends federal benefits to same-sex partners of Foreign Service and Executive Branch employees, in direction violation of the federal Defense of Marriage Act.
    • 9/09 The Obama administration appoints as EEOC Commissioner Chai Feldblum, who asserts that society should “not tolerate” any “private beliefs,” including religious beliefs, if they may negatively affect homosexual “equality.”
    • 7/10 The Obama administration uses federal funds in violation of federal law to get Kenya to change its constitution to include abortion.
    • 8/10 The Obama administration cuts funding for 176 abstinence education programs.
    • 9/10 The Obama administration tells researchers to ignore a judge’s decision striking down federal funding for embryonic stem cell research.
    • 2/11Obama directs the Justice Department to stop defending the federal Defense of Marriage Act.
    • 3/11The Obama administration refuses to investigate videos showing Planned Parenthood helping alleged sex traffickers get abortions for victimized underage girls.
    • 9/11The Pentagon directs that military chaplains may perform same-sex marriages at military facilities in violation of the federal Defense of Marriage Act.
    • 10/11The Obama administration eliminates federal grants to the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops for their extensive programs that aid victims of human trafficking because the Catholic Church is anti-abortion.
    4 Obama’s Acts of Preferentialism for Islam:
    • 5/09 While Obama does not host the National Day of Prayer at the White House, he does host White House iftar dinners in honor of Ramadan.
    • 4/10 Christian leader Franklin Graham is uninvited from the Pentagon's National Day of Prayer Event because of complaints from Muslims.
    • 4/10 The Obama administration requires rewriting of government documents and a change in vocabulary to remove terms that are deemed offensive to Muslims, including jihad, jihadists, terrorists, radical Islamic, etc.
    • 8/10 Obama went to great lengths to speak out on behalf of building an Islamic mosque at Ground Zero, while at the same time he was silent about a Christian church being denied permission to rebuild at that location.
    • 2010 While every White House traditionally issues hundreds of official proclamations and statements on numerous occasions, this White House avoids traditional Biblical holidays and events but regularly recognizes Muslim holidays.
    • 10/11Obama's Muslim advisers block Middle Eastern Christians' access to the White House…
    • 2/12 The Obama administration makes effulgent apologies for Korans being burned by the U. S. military, — but when Bibles were burned by the military, numerous reasons were offered why it was the right thing to do.
    *References and more can be found at:

  • apathoid posted at 9:37 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    apathoid Posts: 211

    Ummmm...newsflash! They did! And, SURPRISE! They were mocked, ridiculed and ignored!

    Here's the wise words of HM's most passionate supporter of the PYP. Mind you, he is talking about PARENTS in our district and he still teaches at this school. He is a disgrace to both the district and to his profession:

    Hayden, Idaho, has been stigmatized for decades as the bigoted Aryan Nations capital of the United States, a place where skinheads and the KKK can hang out, have a beer together, and exchange racial jokes. I know; I have lived here all my life. So it isn't a surprise to find that when Hayden Meadows openly evolved into a successful International Baccalaureate Primary Years Program school, sub-members in this community overreacted.

    The rest of the article can be found here if any of you frothing mouth lunatics care to read the truth about how HM treats parents who disagree:

    I especially like the part where he calls the rest of the schools in the district "mediocre"...must be a relative of your idiotgirl.

  • apathoid posted at 9:33 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    apathoid Posts: 211

    idahoidiotgirl - your tripe is the #1 reason I can't wait to see PYP gone! It harbors ignorant elitists who gain a false sense of power thinking they can treat parents in our district the way you do. I'd say "shame on you" but it is obvious you have no shame.

  • apathoid posted at 9:31 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    apathoid Posts: 211 the other schools in our district, all but ONE of which are outperforming the exalted Hayden Meadows are all producing "closed minded mongrels"? I'm sure the parents / teachers / staff at those schools will be glad to hear your high opinion of the rest of our district as they kick HM's patootie again next year in the areas that matter...readin', writin' and 'rithmatic. Remember those?

  • involvedparent posted at 9:21 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    involvedparent Posts: 27

    Ask Hamilton about wasting the taxpayers dime.

  • parent posted at 9:16 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    parent Posts: 347


    Idahogirl is out of bounds, take her off and keep her off!


  • truthaboutrr posted at 9:05 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    truthaboutrr Posts: 4

    So where do I sign the petition to recall Tom Hamilton???

  • involvedparent posted at 6:43 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    involvedparent Posts: 27

    Then those parents should be talking to the teachers and our principal. Those parents should visit the classrooms. Those parents should be in touch. Why isn't that happening that those parents are not reaching out? Because what those children are telling their parents isn't happening. I promise you that. I hate to call someone a liar. But I don't believe 20 parents have contacted Hamilton and I don't believe that ANY teacher at our school made the remarks he is claiming.

    I have been in my kids' classrooms and numerous other classrooms on campus. I have seen teachers planners & lesson plans, all of this anti-IB ranting is completely incorrect and ridiculous.

  • Shocked posted at 6:40 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Shocked Posts: 98

    Speaking of voting... When does the cast of this Koler Puppet Show get voted out so we can we can move on to issues that benefit kids?

  • Truth About IB posted at 6:34 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Truth About IB Posts: 74

    Did 8 year olds get the right to vote? [scratching head]

  • Truth About IB posted at 6:33 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Truth About IB Posts: 74

    Whether a Board member sends his kids to private school is none of your business .........doesn't Obama send his girls to private school? Why yes, he does. As to the 2nd portion of your comment, you are an embarrassment to the CDA community. I certainly hope the "tri" in your handle is short for triathlon and not a deviation of "bi".

  • Truth About IB posted at 6:26 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Truth About IB Posts: 74

    LOL! And here I thought, "Gosh, CDA Press finally wrote a fair and balanced article concerning IB!" Yup, as soon as both sides are given equal coverage instead of just singing IB's praises while demonizing citizens who DARED to voice their concerns about IB, all of a sudden, Libs think the article is "slanted". Thanks for the chuckle, involvedparent. De Nile is not just a river in Egypt. Mr. Hamilton was elected to the Board. Now suck it up and fill your little heads full of mush with your commie propaganda at home and not on the tacpayer's dime.

  • Truth About IB posted at 6:21 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Truth About IB Posts: 74

    The purpose of the 2nd Amendment was to allow every citizen the right to bear arms; primarily to protect the citizenry from an out of control government.

    Amendment II
    Right to bear arms

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    Why is it Liberals never seem able to understand the purpose of a COMMA??

  • Truth About IB posted at 6:06 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Truth About IB Posts: 74

    You should be thanking Mr. Hamilton for stopping Hayden Meadows from becoming an Islamic madrassa. Are you aware that IBO signed an MoU with the Aga Khan's Development Network in order "to put a more Islamic face on IB programs"? No? You didn't know that? They didn't tell you that in your Parent PYP info? Don't believe me? Look it up.

  • Truth About IB posted at 6:00 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Truth About IB Posts: 74

    "Closed minded mongrels". Isn't that lovely. This is EXACTLY the sort of arrogant, nasty, intolerant, self-righteous, entitled, obnoxious, divisive attitude exhibited by IB supporters. How dare you, idahotrigirl. Nobody cares if YOUR child thrives in a communist, touchie feelie environment except for other communists who think their special spawn simply can't learn without being told how "compassionate and caring" they are on a daily basis.

    Go open your own private IB school and stop bullying the taxpayers of CDA.

  • Humanist posted at 4:42 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3224

    Here's what Mr. Hamilton had to say on a Facebook post today on this topic. I continue to find his lack of understanding of the differences between tolerance and acceptance rather disturbing.

    " Tolerance is a word that invokes an emotional response. Substitute acceptance and you're closer to my meaning perhaps. My point being that one can acknowledge that other value or belief systems exist but one does not have to accept (ie show tolerance for) that value or belief system. I can love you as part of God's creation, but does not meant that I have to acknowledge that your values, behaviors or beliefs are right. I find it very interesting that those that criticize my point of view do so based on their own values. Apparently "tolerance" only extends as far as your own belief system as well."

  • Shocked posted at 4:11 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Shocked Posts: 98

    Mr. Hamilton certainly seems like an intelligent, articulate individual... Maybe his statements were taken out of context. Perhaps he should clarify what he meant by these divisive quotes. I think we can all agree this would be quality entertainment if it wasn't happening in our community.

  • Cdajon posted at 3:26 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Cdajon Posts: 447

    I think we should organize a boxing match between some of these gals.

  • Wakktwins posted at 2:43 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Wakktwins Posts: 9

    Speaking of rant and froth, Apathoid... NHampshire, I'm a bad parent because I volunteer in my childs classroom, and am involved in their education. Clearly, both sides can get angry and heated, please don't label it only one side or the other.

  • idahotrigirl posted at 2:27 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    idahotrigirl Posts: 32

    Oh, and "parent" are your children coming home from school and saying that they are "pro-choice" and voting for Obama? They must be coming home talking about their "liberal agenda". I would love to know what is talked about at your dinner table.

  • apathoid posted at 2:25 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    apathoid Posts: 211

    Rant, rant, rant!!! Froth, froth, froth!!!

    It never ceases to amaze how intolerant liberals become when they are demanding tolerance!

    All the man said was "I'm not going to force you to accept my value system, but you don't get to force me to accept yours either."

    It's really pretty simple and he is completely right.

  • idahotrigirl posted at 2:22 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    idahotrigirl Posts: 32

    I am not a Liberal or a Conservative, but I will tell you one thing.....My children thrive at Hayden Meadows and my child who has been there for 2 years is extremely advanced, so unless you want a bunch of closed minded mongrels who have communication skills that would compare to those working at Wal Mart, than go ahead and pull PYP.

  • parent posted at 2:00 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    parent Posts: 347

    Hey involvedparent.....that is not what the children are telling their parents!

  • NHampshire posted at 1:44 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    NHampshire Posts: 27

    I know plenty of teachers who refused to teach the mission of 'world government'.

  • NHampshire posted at 1:44 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    NHampshire Posts: 27

    AH no, it's because they are being FORCED to accept the UN's politilcal views which are redistributionist,
    anti-US sovereignty, and plain old COMMUNIST.

  • NHampshire posted at 1:43 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    NHampshire Posts: 27

    SO why do you need to learn tolerance and understanding from some COMMUNIST NGO political
    group from overseas?

  • NHampshire posted at 1:41 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    NHampshire Posts: 27

    Amazing isn't it?

    The only values a kid should be taught in school are work hard and don't cheat, be civil to others, share
    your school materials (that do not belong to you).


    They should not be taught that the UDHR is a better system than the constitution, or that they must
    'take action' on the UN's MDG or other goals... That is simply CHILD ABUSE.

  • NHampshire posted at 1:39 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    NHampshire Posts: 27

    This is exactly right. Since when does political indoctrination have to be a condition of learning?????

    It is shameful.

  • NHampshire posted at 1:38 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    NHampshire Posts: 27

    Yes let's make sure the kids minds are imbued with the mindset and values of some
    communist political organization from overseas. What fine parents you must be.

  • NHampshire posted at 1:37 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    NHampshire Posts: 27

    You have to be completely asleep not to see that this is the UNESCO agenda, being imposed on the
    children. There is little academic emphasis esp in the PYP grades as seen here

    Even the states that their goals (activism in bringing about the UDHR and MDG) *must*
    be embedded into the curriculum at all levels.

    Basically your kids are being trained to be little ACORN community organizers on the taxpayers' dime.
    UNESCO wants them to think there is a higher authority than the US Constitution and everything in
    their program reflects that.

    It's disgusting to use our kids like this for political mules.. and it's happening even without IB....

    Some of you lean so far to the left that you would not recognize a left wing agenda if you tried.
    This is more than left wing, this is one world nonsense based on enviro fascism.

  • 1inIdaho posted at 1:15 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    1inIdaho Posts: 279

    Yeah, thanks Tom. Thanks for letting us know where you really stand.
    If we could elect just a few more ignorant people to our school board, we could finally succeed in turning our schools into Christian Madrassa's.

  • 1inIdaho posted at 1:13 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    1inIdaho Posts: 279

    PYP is not a "Liberal Mantra," (whatever that means). PYP teaches critical thinking... and if that is a Liberal concept; then I don't want to be a Conservative.

    PYP teaches tolerance. But apparently Hamilton doesn't believe in tolerance.
    PYP teaches the difference between tolerance and acceptance... maybe Hamilton should sit-in on a lesson or two.

    I don't need so-called Liberal values to be taught in school (although, I would be curious to know what you think "liberal values" are). Values should be taught at home.

    Frankly, the whole National Schools of Character and Character Education in our schools reeks of Conservativism. It is a program to instill right-wing philosophies - thinly veiled as Judeo-Christian morals - in our children at school, and costs the district almost 3 times as much as PYP and IB combined.
    I TEACH MY CHILDREN VALUES AT HOME, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. And I would hope the district expects the same of all parents. We certainly don't need the self-righteous likes of Dan Pinkerton or any other holier-than-thou saints in our community dictating (and profiting from) the inclusion of these programs in our schools.

    I would LOVE for our school children to critically examine the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution. I'm pretty sure that even children would understand that the purpose of the 2nd Amendment was to provide for a militia (by which, they were referring to our armed forces), and NOT to thrust a gun into the hands of every citizen.
    I would LOVE for our school children to openly debate whether people are more safe WITH guns in their midst, or without.
    I would love them to examine how it is possible for criminals to have guns (predicating the need for everyone else to have them). FYI, criminals buy guns legally, and use them for criminal purposes. They steal guns from well-intentioned non-criminals (who, curiously, are unable to defend their guns from criminals). The Criminals could do NEITHER, if guns weren't legal in the first-place. Do we need guns for hunting? Obviously not, since the native Americans did just fine without them. The popularity of Bow season in our area, and the success of those hunters in bringing down every type of game,is a testament to the LACK of need for firearms (especially automatic, high-capacity clip, assault weapons). I would love to hear what children think would happen if a bunch of ignorant anti-government separatists decided to throw-off this "tyranical" government.

    If you want to preach Guns, God, and Greed... do it at home.
    I want my kids to learn to THINK

  • involvedparent posted at 1:07 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    involvedparent Posts: 27

    Like Wakktwins, I too am a conservative. I am happy with the education my children are receiving at Hayden Meadows. There is no hidden liberal agenda happening at our school. Parents wouldn't tolerate it.

  • parent posted at 11:57 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    parent Posts: 347

    Thanks Tom Hamilton for standing strong! Please keep the focus on the quality of education for our kids and not on these angry few bloggers . You have many, many supporters both inside district 271 and in the community. I would love for all those supporters to be brave, to come out, speak up, and to be heard. Yes, it's your paycheck, but it is also your responsibility to your community.

  • Wakktwins posted at 11:33 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Wakktwins Posts: 9

    As a parent of Hayden Meadows students, I volunteer at the school on a regular, consistent basis. I am shocked to hear that parents feel "bullied". I have never witnessed anything but educating going on in our school. Which leads me to believe that Mr. Hamilton is not speaking the truth. What a sad day it is when a school board member who is supposed to have the best interest of our schools in mind feels he needs to fabricate stories to better his agenda. What a great human quality to have. Perhaps we should put you in the PYP program yourself, maybe you will benefit as much as your child is, but are blind to.
    We come from a conservative, Christian home and have never, EVER even come close to being offended at any of the curriculum our children have been taught. The PYP style of teaching has helped our children so much. If Tom Hamilton and the other anti PYP'ers are successful in their agenda I just pray that the teaching style does not change and that the Hayden Meadows parents and teachers band together to overcome this ridiculousness. We have an amazing school and I hate to see it tarnished by this agenda. Whatever happens, we will always be proud Hayden Meadow Parents!

  • jimmyjayrocks posted at 11:07 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    jimmyjayrocks Posts: 9

    I am a conservative. I do not want liberal politics taught to my children at school. I would like to see schools remain as politically neutral as possible. Please understand, I am not asking the school district to teach a conservative mantra to the students. I am just asking the school district to teach no political mantra.

    I think that is the same think Tom Hamilton is saying.

    However, it appears to me that you liberals cannot live with this approach. You feel that liberal values must be taught in school. I find this offensive.

    Let me ask this question, how would you feel if we implemented a program like PYP that pushed critical thinking, but focused on gun ownership and reasons behind the 2nd amendment to the Constitution. Would you be offended? Would you want this taught to your children? Or would you like to see something more neutral. Now you know how we feel.

  • 1inIdaho posted at 10:59 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    1inIdaho Posts: 279

    How in the world did Hamilton end up on the board? Oh yeah... a bunch of militant anti-IB parents pitched a hissy fit and ran a campaign of fear & hate.

    If parents in this district don't wake up, and start voting people like Hamilton and Purtee OFF this board; we are going to end up with a bunch of idiot graduates, dependent upon unemployment & welfare because they don't have the skills to compete for a job in this world. We'll end up with a local economy devoid of jobs that don't require master of the phrase,"you want fries with that?" because businesses will flee in droves.

    Hamilton is only 1-step removed from kooks like Terry Jones.

    There are options to the PYP program at Hayden Meadows: people like Hamilton, who don't want their kids in the program, can have their kids taught non-PYP curriculum at Skyway, Atlas, or Dalton (and the kids will be bussed at no extra charge)... or they can do what most other kooks do: HOME SCHOOL.

    Why not take a long, measured, objective look at whether PYP is a good program or not. Why not track the success of Hayden Meadows students - relative to all other district elementary students, THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION. Then compare grades, test results, and scholarship awards. If PYP students fare no-better than the rest; then we can talk about getting rid of the program.

  • involvedparent posted at 10:39 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    involvedparent Posts: 27

    Ms. Dolan...could you write a more slanted article? I know you have been explained the ins and outs of this new five star rating. And, yet you make no mention of the factors that ruin Hayden Meadows' rating.
    As a parent who has volunteered countless hours...Hayden Meadows rates beyond the 5 stars.

    Mr. Hamilton...The only "parents militant in their approach" at our school would be you. There is no bullying, no anger, no parents who "fear retribution" and no teachers discussing religious tenets or "ghosts and fairytales" (unless in literature, I'm sure fairytales is a topic). We have wonderful growth in our students, amazing teachers and fantastic parents; if you would stop the hate and look around you, you could see the great reality at Hayden Meadows.
    Your intolerant statements only prove that you have no reason to be the chair of our school board. CdA School District #271 is a great school system in a wonderful community, and you do not represent any of us.

  • downtowndad posted at 9:54 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    downtowndad Posts: 2

    Voxpop is correct... there truly is a charter school currently in development that focuses on a similar teaching style to IB. From what I hear, it hopes to open somewhere in the area in 2014. Stay tuned for more info.

    Sad that a few individuals can push so much money and resources from a district in the name of an idealogical disagreement.

  • Humanist posted at 8:54 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3224

    Teach a child to reason, and they'll think for a lifetime.

    The real reasons the Tom Hamiltons of the world are opposed to PYP is that its fundamental underlying tenet is the teaching of inquiry and critical thinking skills, both of which are in turn fundamental to the fields of science and engineering. And while this is not a "philosophy" that Hamilton states that he's opposed to, he knows darn well that people who have high critical thinking skills tend to be less religious and less likely to agree with his personal opinion that morality is absolute and based on Judea-Christian doctrine. If you look at the demographics of those opposed to IB and PYP, I would speculate that 99% are Christians and this opposition is much more based on the threat they see of critical thinking children shying away from the church.

    I agree that the teaching of whether morality is absolute or relative should not be taught as part of a core curriculum (unless in the context of a philosophy class). And if that discourse Mr. Hamilton mentions between a teacher and his child regarding church really did occur, that is absolutely uncalled for and that teacher should be disciplined accordingly. I sincerely hope that the school district thoroughly investigates these claims of Mr. Hamiltons.

    I do not necessarily agree that the topic of tolerance should be left at home, however. When you have hundreds of kids of varying religions, races, genders, and sexuality that all have to be under the same roof at school, then tolerance does need to be taught. We can't allow kids to bully each other for any reason. Period. In this case, I am not saying that tolerance has to equate to acceptance necessarily. The fact that Mr. Hamilton actually stated that he does not teach tolerance at home is something that I personally find highly disturbing.

  • apathoid posted at 8:53 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    apathoid Posts: 211

    Here's a PYP teacher's take on "tolerance":

    "sub-culture, KKK, Aryan, other schools are mediocre..." all because someone questioned whether PYP was right for our schools...

    If that's tolerance, I don't want it. I call it mean and ugly.

  • Rationale posted at 8:37 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Tolerance? That is an American ideal since our inception.

    Acceptance? Now that's a whole different story.

    One can tolerate something without accepting it.

    To each their own.

  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 8:05 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969

    That's right, No Religion including Secularism teaches tolerance of any other belief system that teaches against it's moral principles. This is why No Government entity should teach any moral principles, in the classroom. There is nothing of educational value in teaching tolerance of Beheading infidels, or tolerance of law breakers to get under the umbrella of our Constitutional protections from government.

    I am sure you feel yourself a "tolerant" people Shocked and dtsinidaho, but your statements screams of your intolerance of Christianity, and any other belief structure than your own or That teaches as it's basic tenets, fully opposite of the secularism "golden rule".
    ---The Christian moral view of the "golden rule" is do onto other as you would like them to do to you, and to bad if that offends their moralities or if they feel harmed. And Judge others how you ultimately hope to be judged by god. (in short do what is right no matter the consequences, and don't be a hypocrite)
    ---The Secularist view is if it doesn't harm others it is Okey Dokey.

    These are 2 incompatible moral tenets. This is why Secularism along with any other religious tenets should never be allowed into the classroom. Intolerance and the desire to change others to your moral tenet, is what makes a religion.

    Remove the Fed from the schools, then the States can be free to teach what ever tenets they decide as a state or community to teach, or none. But as long as the Fed is involved in education no morality teaching belong in their schools, Secular, Christian or any other. Tolerance or lack of tolerance is a morality and should not be taught.
    Some religions, like Islam, believe Slavery is moral and in some cases Allahs commandment for salvation of their soul. By PYP standards tolerance of this, should be taught, right along side of tolerance of homosexuality which Islam commands death for the act, and refuse to believe the condition even exists. Who should decide which morality to teach, Islamic justifiable murder or Homosexuality.

    Tolerance, Intolerance, morality and immorality should be left strictly to the parents to teach, the schools only response should be, "Ask your parents, that is not our responsibility to teach or question".

  • adamgraves posted at 8:03 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    adamgraves Posts: 47

    Name the teacher tom. Iether you are making it up or the teacher is not teaching to PYP standards. The whole point is tollerance and understanding. We can see you have none but lets have a name so we can get his/her side of the events which have caused you such ill will. And shame on the press for not fact checking this obvious slander intended to fire up controversy.

  • mister d posted at 7:47 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    mister d Posts: 1531

    Hamilton sounds lke more of a nut case than I had previously heard about. So it's his way or the highway apparently. Is he implying that everyone needs to educate their kids the he wants and forget about everyone else? As far as parents being bullied and contacting him, I rather doubt that. If it's true, get a spine people or you will be bullied all of your lives. You sound like a bunch of victims who have to run and tattle hiding behind mommy's apron. If you have a comment pull up your big girl panties and stand up for yourself.

  • dtsinidaho posted at 7:36 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    dtsinidaho Posts: 251

    So "some" parents are pulling children out of a high ranking school because they are "forced" to be tolerant about other things rather than the domination and fear mongering Christian cult.


    Hope your kids do well when they have to work with Muslims and black people, and Mormons, and well any thing other than the "SINGLE" Christian values that Hamilton instills in his children and believes that everyone should be like him.

    I cannot believe we as parents of 271 students can allow such a religious and nationalistic bigot as Hamilton to preside over the school board.

    You know, in the 60's, the WHITE parents were pulling children out of the schools in Birmingham because the government was forcing BLACK students into those schools. Smells the same to me.

  • Shocked posted at 6:36 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Shocked Posts: 98

    Did the head of the school board just say that he teaches his own children to be intolerant towards non-christians?

  • parent posted at 6:26 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    parent Posts: 347

    Voxpop said

    ." I couldn't agree more about PYP, and know several teachers well who have left Meadows because of it,"

    You said it, and I back up that statement.

    There are also some very influential people who oppose the program but for personal reasons do not feel free to share this openly. 20 people have contacted Hamilton but most will not speak out personally. Yes they feel intimidated and worry about retribution for them and their children from those who support PYP. These people feel powerful and in control as you can tell by this article. Not a comfortable atmosphere for those who do not agree with PYP!

  • Almost an IB Parent posted at 6:08 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Almost an IB Parent Posts: 46

    From IB's own website the goal of IB is to "develop attitudes" and get the students to "take action."

  • Almost an IB Parent posted at 6:02 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Almost an IB Parent Posts: 46

    To learn more about IB read this,

  • Truth About IB posted at 5:00 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Truth About IB Posts: 74

    >>>>>>>>>>group of parents who have been militant in their support of PYP

    I don't doubt you for one second, Mr. Hamilton. This is what happens whenever a public school district seeks to eliminate the outrageously expensive, ineffective, ideological PYP. It is rather ironic that the IB "programme" that is "designed" for our littlest children is also the most controlling and inflexible through IBO's schoolwide mandate. Bullying and intimidation by pro-IB parents of those who don't "fall in line" with PYP's secular humanist, radical environmentalist agenda are to be ostracized and demeaned. These are marching orders issued by the IBO.

    There are NO academic components in the PYP Learner Profile. None. The PYP is a values and beliefs program and does not belong in American public schools. Public schools should be APOLITICAL, neither left nor right, they should focus on academics and leave religion and politics to the family. IBO thinks that by promoting secular humanism and moral relativism they comply with "separation of church and state". However, the Supreme Court ruled that secular humanism is indeed, a religion itself. Therefore, a government school cannot promote one religion over all others. I was absolutely horrified but not shocked to read that:

    >>>>>>>> A teacher told his daughter that if her parents take her to church, they're teaching her to believe in "ghosts and fairy tales." When Hamilton complained, he said the teacher used PYP principles to defend the action.

    Time to rid CDA of IB in its entirety. God speed!

  • voxpop posted at 4:11 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    voxpop Posts: 738

    Hamilton should tread carefully. Parents at Meadows are not the typical north Idaho $10/hr bumbling through life types. Many have sway and the resources to back it up. He could lose a very large chunk of SD271 students to a new charter school and the dollars that go with them. Hamilton should also recuse himself from this discussion since he's personally involved. I couldn't agree more about PYP, and know several teachers well who have left Meadows because of it, but when he says "I also don't believe a public school has the right to teach against what I believe" he's implying that the opposite should be true. SD271 is not his personal fiefdom.

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