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Posted: Saturday, June 16, 2012 12:00 am

COEUR d'ALENE - If the guard changes, the McEuen Field redevelopment project could be stopped.

While many variables are still undecided - like whether there will be a recall election - the timing says if the recall effort is successful, a new council could take over this fall and pull the plug on the McEuen Field reconstruction project.

"A new council could do whatever they want," City Administrator Wendy Gabriel said this week about the hypothetical fate of the downtown park's redesign plan that has been scrutinized for two years and was the major reason RecallCdA launched its recall effort. "If it's a council that doesn't support the project, certainly they will not go to bid."

Team McEuen is currently drawing construction documents for the estimated $14.2 million park plan.

The goal is to have the project ready to go out to bid by the spring.

A recall election, if at least 4,311 signatures come back certified on Tuesday, would likely be either Aug. 28 or Nov. 6. If a recall election successfully recalls the four incumbents on either date, a replacement council would be in place well before spring. It's the council which ultimately decides to accept a bid or not, so a council that is against the park's reconstruction plan could decide not to move forward with the reconstruction work.

But the city also has plans to take a quasi-first step on the McEuen Field project this fall by starting on a new parking lot south of City Hall. That's an important first step, officials have said, because it would be complete in time so people could still park downtown as the rest of the McEuen Field project gets under way and parking areas are disturbed.

If it's an August election and successfully recalls pro-McEuen Field redevelopment City Council members Mike Kennedy, Woody McEvers, Deanna Goodlander and Mayor Sandi Bloem, a replacement council could come in around the same time as that project gets under way.

What a replacement council would do to that first step is still anyone's guess, Gabriel said, as the timing isn't set in stone.

Meanwhile, city staff is following the orders of the current City Council, and though nearly divided on the topic, the council has ordered the city to go through with the reconstruction plan.

Staff will continue to follow that direction, as long as the makeup of the council remains the same.

"Right now, I have marching orders to do the project," Gabriel said. "That's because the majority of the council has given me those orders. So right now, we're marching to do the project until we're told otherwise."

Team McEuen will share its latest construction documents with the public from 7:30 to 9:30 a.m. Thursday, June 28 at the Parkside Conference Room, 601 E. Front Ave.

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  • idaholiberal posted at 10:36 am on Sun, Jun 17, 2012.

    idaholiberal Posts: 238

    Re. the poll. So often as I type in this very box, I think what a loser I am. I tell myself, "go do something important". So, thinking that a poll on a website has ANY basis in reality is ludicrous. So many people are smarter than ourselves, and do not get sucked into these comments, but they still vote... just in the polls where it matters.

  • IdahoJoey posted at 6:43 am on Sun, Jun 17, 2012.

    IdahoJoey Posts: 344

    Sorry I meant to say "The school levy will be a continuance of what we already pay, so NO additional money lost there. "

  • IdahoJoey posted at 6:41 am on Sun, Jun 17, 2012.

    IdahoJoey Posts: 344

    Hello JoeIdaho,

    I'm not assuming anything about the percentile of folks in that poll, other than that some of them are from outside of CdA, so their opinion has no place in a statement using that same poll to claim that a majority are in favor of something that pertains only to CdA.

    I too am all for reducing the tax burden of the public by stop-spending measures. BUT, I am also the recipient of many life experiences that give me a perspective that speaks to these two issues in particular. First of all, I grew up in a town where this exact item (the park) came up to vote and failed. In a town that is a destination (meaning that it relys heavily on tourism for its livelihood), that kind of thinking is a death knell to the local business owners. That happened back in the 70's and the town is still dead while 2 others less than 45 minutes away are flourishing because they made investments in their town's ability to draw folks in (and spend money while they are there). CdA has the highest unemployment in Idaho. Tourists coming to town and spending money means jobs. Last time I looked THAT is a Conservative value and mindset.

    I have also PERSONALLY toured dozens of schools over my professional career and seen them in all states of repair/disrepar. I have also been privileged to be a part of turning those around and seen first hand its effect upon the education of the children who use those schools. Building up the families of CdA by investing wisely in education infrastructure. Last time I looked, THAT is a Conservative value and mindset.

    I am STRONGLY against big government. But neither of these projects represent in any way a growth in the size of the city governmental bodies. The school levy will be a continuance of what we already pay, so additional money lost there. I would love to have my taxes reduced just like you. But I also realize that sometimes there are things that must be done, even if I don't like them personally.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 5:58 am on Sun, Jun 17, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Idahojoey, watching you say how 65% of the people polled means nothing just shows how out of touch you are with reality. You are ASSUMING that a large percentile are people who don't live in CDA, when reality is that the people who care MOST about having NO represenatation are the ones AFFECTED by it.

    Joey, you're one of the supposed "conservatives" that have our country is the debacle it finds itself in now, and will STAY in.
    You say things like:
    "There are times and causes that deserve our money as taxpayers"
    As a REAL conservative, I REWCOGNIZE how many people in CDA are struggling, and the idea of the government spending 40 MILLION DOLLARS of OUR money on a park is ludicrous, when that moeny could be put back in the hands of the people who OWN it. YOU, though; you think it's better for government to spend more money, and that takes away ANY conservative ideals that you think you have.

    "and I think these projects are worth it because I have personally seen what happens when you don't do these type of things for the projects"
    TELL ME, what "happens" when you don't "take on these projects", Joey?
    See; the launch has been there for...a while. Along with the ball park. And CDA just continued to grow.
    Now, you want to spout that "if we don't do it it'll be real bad for CDA"?
    Bunk. There's NO justifying spending 40 million dollars on a park when we have bad times and will continue to.

    "What CdA, and our Nation, needs right now is not a bunch of screaming all-or-nothing types from either side of the political aisle"
    So; according to you; we need "go along get along" type RINOS in office; the ones who know that we "need" to do large projects & raise more tax revenue to support them.
    You're a parge part of the reason that conservatives have ALLOWED America to become what it is, a broke, destitute group of overspending people who will be utterlu surprised when the money runs out.

    "All or nothing"

  • IdahoJoey posted at 10:01 pm on Sat, Jun 16, 2012.

    IdahoJoey Posts: 344

    Hey JoeIdaho, first of all that poll could be anyone, not just registered voters of CdA, so it means nothing that is truly pertinent.

    @DeNiles You can't hide from the truth of your statements they are all on here.

    Now for your surprise, my opinion (and that's all it is) is that the recall failed because they did not do a good job of convincing folks that it was anything to do with conservative vs. liberal values. At least in my case, I saw it as a lot of sour grapes over the last elections not going the way a small group of people wanted it to, so they began to manipulate this entire thing in a futile attempt to get revenge.

    What's the surprise? I'm a conservative and I am for the McEuen Park upgrade because I understand what it means to the downtown businesses and CdA as a whole. And again, YES, I am for the school improvements because I have looked them over with my own eyes and I think they are needed. This all has nothing to do with Liberal vs. Conservative. It has EVERYTHING to do with folks thinking for themselves and doing what they think is best.

    There are times and causes that deserve our money as taxpayers and I think these projects are worth it because I have personally seen what happens when you don't do these type of things for the projects.

    What CdA, and our Nation, needs right now is not a bunch of screaming all-or-nothing types from either side of the political aisle. What is needed, is citizenry that informs themselves, not by listening to others spouting rhetoric, but by doing things such as touring old schools, and then makes a decision that is in keeping with their personal beliefs and world view.

    The days of pulling party levers is over if we are to turn things around. I for one intend to continue doing what is best (in my opinion) instead of blindly following those who appear to serve anarchy more than they serving the common good.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 8:42 pm on Sat, Jun 16, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Timeless, your post just illustrates how a liberal can easily twist anything any ways regardless of the truth.
    Take a LOOK at the poll to the right on the Press' homepage, genius. What's it say?
    SIXTY FIVE PERCENT believe the mayor & gestapo are getting the boot.
    Now, I really don;t know what planet you live on, but for the rest of us, well, REAL math kinda says that anything remotely RESEMBLING 65% is a MAJORITY.
    That means YOU are in the MINORITY. As usual.

  • Timeless posted at 7:19 pm on Sat, Jun 16, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480


    Apparently a LARGER group of CDA Residents ARE IN FAVOR of the new and improved McEuen Park project. They voted by not signing your petition.

    Way to go CDA! 😃

  • Peter posted at 5:37 pm on Sat, Jun 16, 2012.

    Peter Posts: 689

    If the hold on to their seats and proceed with the McEuen Field project, then what?

  • Ziggy posted at 3:41 pm on Sat, Jun 16, 2012.

    Ziggy Posts: 1294

    Wouldn't the ethical thing would be to stop the project right now and see how this all comes out. Obviously a large number of voters oppose this project.

  • CaiusCosades posted at 2:20 pm on Sat, Jun 16, 2012.

    CaiusCosades Posts: 380

    I think the irony of it all is the recaller's want a vote, they want a say in what happens downtown, yet if they vote the council out, the replacements will not be voted in, they will be appointed to office. So now we have leaders we have not voted into office making all the decisions.

  • DeNiles posted at 1:20 pm on Sat, Jun 16, 2012.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    @Joey......... Welp you are consistently inaccurate which is likely your best asset.

    The school facilities improvement effort is one more high falut'n, root'n toot'n - if you don't support the project the kids will die - campaign. It is the death knell, arm twisting, hollow hyperbole I resent and the absolute fact that the singular accomplishment will not by itself improve education.

    And regardless of where our tax money ends up it all begins in our pockets. So if the city or the state or the feds spend it wastefully on 1st avenue while children starve on 2nd avenue they still got the funds from us and THEY chose how to spend it.

    Now I know YOU do not CARE about how much the gov't can wrest from the citizens for the many programs. But if I have a say (like here, for example) I'd vote for better schools over some unnecessary posh park makeover. Izzat good w/you or do you need both?

  • charliek60 posted at 11:51 am on Sat, Jun 16, 2012.

    charliek60 Posts: 204

    Who are the Officers , Directors , of LCDC. ?

  • CClavin posted at 11:37 am on Sat, Jun 16, 2012.

    CClavin Posts: 221

    Can you say "Injunction"...............that will be granted and halt everything in it's tracks. How is that for marching orders Mayor Wendy....

  • charliek60 posted at 11:18 am on Sat, Jun 16, 2012.

    charliek60 Posts: 204

    Conflict of Interest plagues the McEuen Field project. I can't believe the lack of understanding of what this community needs. The person , persons, who floated this project obviously doesn't have the feeling of the pulse of Coeur d ' Alene .

  • IdahoJoey posted at 10:48 am on Sat, Jun 16, 2012.

    IdahoJoey Posts: 344

    @DeNiles I'm going to call you out right here.

    "Let's see here.........hmmmmmmm........ spend $millions$ on bocci ball for the rich or spend $millions$ on schools for our citizens children? $crew the kids, the rich need bocci ball."

    Don't come on here pretending, in this thread, that you are for the best interests of the school kids, when you are very adamantly against improving the schools in another thread regarding the school improvements.

    Just be honest: you are against spending money on ANYTHING. If you did that we could have more respect for your opinion because you would at least be honest about it. When your arguments twist and turn in the wind dependent upon the subject being debated, your true colors are revealed as someone who just wants to stir up anger and dissent.

  • I Carry posted at 9:39 am on Sat, Jun 16, 2012.

    I Carry Posts: 559

    Wendy stated "goes to bid." It was written in this very paper that a city staffer said the project isn't going to bid because it wasn't tax money being spent. I'm not certain, but I think the fellow that said it was Mr. Eastwood. Anyway, we shall wait and see.

  • Spikey posted at 8:43 am on Sat, Jun 16, 2012.

    Spikey Posts: 387

    We can but hope...........

  • DeNiles posted at 6:39 am on Sat, Jun 16, 2012.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    Nothing new here. With the last council election being focused on the McEuen issue, it was clear that the public did not want this costly plan to proceed. That translated into this bare majority urgently spending as much as possible to try and make it happen as fast as possible. Yeah, it was arrogant. Yeah, it was wasteful. Yeah, they did not and still do not care.

    Let's see here.........hmmmmmmm........ spend $millions$ on bocci ball for the rich or spend $millions$ on schools for our citizens children? $crew the kids, the rich need bocci ball.

  • Timeless posted at 5:58 am on Sat, Jun 16, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    Can hardly wait to hear the cavers make a big deal out of Wendy being quoted as saying she has marching orders. 5...4...3...2..1......

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