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Editorial: Flush out the deer shooter

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Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:33 am

The Great Dalton Gardens Deer Debate has taken a fatal twist, as someone has been shooting the creatures within city limits and leaving the carcasses where they fall.

Not everybody is sympathetic to Bambi’s plight, as expressed by a letter to the editor today and numerous comments on cdapress.com. Frustration with deer infringing upon the hard work and aesthetic pleasures of human inhabitants is boiling over, and someone out there, maybe more than one, has taken matters into his or her own hands.

But in this case, that person is breaking two laws; hunting deer out of season and discharging a weapon within city limits. Poaching is a serious enough offense, but of much greater concern is the sniper’s willingness to endanger life of the two-legged variety.

Fish and Game officials believe at least two separate shootings have occurred at night or in the very early morning hours. All the deer — eight, as of this writing — were killed by a small-caliber weapon. Three of the deer were does carrying fawns.

For years, Dalton Gardens residents and officials have struggled to find ways to keep deer and human habitat respectfully separate. In 2011, a proposal was floated to allow hunting within city limits to thin out the deer population, but that was quickly and wisely rejected.

There are better ways to address this, invididually and governmentally. Residents can purchase deer repellant products or fencing. Dalton Gardens officials can step up their education campaign and perhaps coordinate efforts with property owners on fencing.

The last thing our community needs is a vigilante emboldened by any form of perceived public support. This person is not a hero; he or she is a menace with impaired judgment who should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

If you have any information that would be helpful in solving these crimes, please call Fish and Game at (208) 769-1414; or, the Citizens Against Poaching (CAP) hotline at (800) 632-5999.

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  • hiway90 posted at 9:20 am on Sat, Feb 23, 2013.

    hiway90 Posts: 61

    Irish Spring bar soap, in a bag, tied around a tree, keeps moose away.

  • Ziggy posted at 11:03 am on Thu, Feb 21, 2013.

    Ziggy Posts: 1296

    Dalton was originally ponderosa pine forest and it is at the foot of Canfield. Deer habitat. If people don't like wildlife, why in the WORLD do they move to Idaho? Stay in Los Angeles. Yes, there are coyotes, but I doubt a bear or a moose would be wandering around LA.
    I live where the deer are. When I want my tulips to bloom, I go buy some bloodmeal, it is cheap, put it in muslin bags and hang it from the trees above the tulips. The deer won't go near it. You must put it high enough so the dogs don't get it as it makes them sick but it works like a charm. Another idea: plant stuff the deer don't like. They don't eat my rhodys, Oregon Grape, wild rose, bayberry, burning bushes. They will eat tlupis and iris and for some reason raspberries but oh well. A little good humor is called for. I enjoy wildlife and have had deer on my property all my life. We seem to coexist just fine. This area is really not conducive to spectacular gardens anyway....wrong climate.

  • idahoguy posted at 10:44 am on Thu, Feb 21, 2013.

    idahoguy Posts: 932

    FYI no one is going to collect other people's hair and hang hair tinsel all around their homes and property. Get a life on that point. They will take much quicker and more decisive measures and also be stuffing their freezers as the direct result.

    But maybe some purple hair on the Lilacs wold be charming ;-) But if it is moving it probably is head lice.....

  • idahoguy posted at 8:36 am on Thu, Feb 21, 2013.

    idahoguy Posts: 932

    I for one am not going into town, visiting hair cutting places, collecting other people's vermin invested hair cuttings, bringing them home and decorating the acreage here. By the time my truck got fired up to leave here a single .05 worth of investment would have resolved the whole deal for good.

    Deer are over growing rodents and left to themselves will strip a place clean.

  • idahoguy posted at 5:44 am on Thu, Feb 21, 2013.

    idahoguy Posts: 932

    Ha ha ha...on the hair plan. My yard section of the spread is eight acres on its own. I have gone to great extents to discourage deer from feeding up against my home, eating my lawns, stripping plants and shrubs so mu they die, horning and killing my yard trees and birthing at my door. After a while I have found some deer just refuse to keep some distance.... I can get no f&g help with this and thus such is life and death.

    Out here folks just don't ask and don't tell. We manage the game living on our land just fine and feed them in the winter and water them in the summer. All we expect in return is not to be over run. This issue is not just Dalton Gardens either. The wolves have driven the game out of the forests more and more. You want them deer to leave...kill some more wolves. In fact kill them all. Again do not ask and do not tell... works for the Govt ... right? They do not ask us about what they do and usually they do not tell as well. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

  • hiway90 posted at 11:42 pm on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

    hiway90 Posts: 61

    Yeah..lolol, that's what they want, hair blowing around in their yards. and over here we have
    a beautiful waterfall, it's a little clogged with hair this time of year,,, LOLOLOL

  • Jill Heine posted at 9:00 pm on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

    Jill Heine Posts: 408

    agree with bionic man and IdahoGuy. Something has to give, so get rid of transplants and put the remainder in your freezers. With fewer humans feeding Bambi, the deer will bulk up on natural forage and not be polluted with all the chemicals in the treats. My problem is with rabbits, and I love hasenpfeffer.

  • voxpop posted at 4:26 pm on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

    voxpop Posts: 738

    I couldn't agree with Idahoguy more, but it's not just deer. It's bear and especially turkeys. F&G doesn't care one iota. Something needs to be done and like it or not I agree with whomever is helping with the problem. The only sensible solution is to remove any limit on deer or turkey for one year and then see what else needs to be done.

  • FromNIdaho posted at 4:06 pm on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

    FromNIdaho Posts: 48

    The problem is that you have a perfect Storm. Yeah the deer were here long before us, but with all the residential area, it has created a perfect little refuge for the deer population to blow up. The deer have unlimited feed, no hunting pressure, limited pressure from mountain lions, bears, wolves and coyotes because of the residences. So you have an explosion in the deer population, more deer getting injured by domestic animals, hit by cars, etc.

    Hunting won't cure this, and I am an AVID hunter. But you would only be able to archery hunt them, and I wouldn't do it, because you plug a deer on private property where you have permission to hunt, it runs over to the neighbors house and dies on their doorstep and they are ticked. So you would need the buy in from just about everyone on the block, and once they see that animal expire 30 ft from their porch...they won't like it. Or worse, you get off a bad shot, then there are deer running around with arrows poking out of them on the front page of the newspaper or local television news and you are the bad guy.

    Fish and Game will have to step in and relocate these animals if you want the situation resolved. Then managed hunting can help keep it in check. But the people who shot these deer and let them go to waste should be charged to the fullest. There is no respect for the animal by killing just to kill or keep your pretty flowers.

    Side note, the deer I shot this year, I could not find a tick on him. Which is weird because they usually have some, but I didn't see any.

  • idahoguy posted at 3:23 pm on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

    idahoguy Posts: 932

    We live way out in the countryside...dead end dirt road up against the national forest lands. Ten years ago I would have 30 deer in my yard at one time. Did I get help? NOPE.... One per year did not keep up with their reproduction rates ...no way.

    Other means were deployed. now we have around 4-5 deer hanging around. We all get along much better and there is food for all concerned. I say do what you need to to manage said things.

  • cdanative33 posted at 2:36 pm on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

    cdanative33 Posts: 386

    I don't think that anyone is saying the deer should be completely eradicated from these neighborhoods...deer clearly have a right to coexist with us humans in the same area; but the population in neighborhoods in Dalton and Hayden is completely out of control. Their numbers aren't controlled by nature as they are in the wild, and they continue to breed. It's a problem, and if governmental agencies aren't willing to do anything about it, than something like this is bound to happen.

  • bionic man posted at 2:00 pm on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

    bionic man Posts: 347

    First off, the deer were here long before us. Second, with all the housing development around Canfield mountain, kind of cut their area. Third, you have a bunch of " non-locals " that have moved to this area and think it's great to see the wildlife until they start eating up their " Impressive " landscaping. It's true the deer are creating a problem, and the only way to take of them will be a controlled hunt. Also, those feeding the deer need to be fined with about $10,000 for each offense. As for those individuals that shot the deer, I hope they locate them and get them with the maximum penalty allowed.

    Problem we have now, this has been so well published that those individuals will be hanging back until things cool down. My guess, it's probably one of the homeowners in the area that wants to have their "beautiful" landscaping/garden for the upcoming year. And I'm sure some of the homeowners around the area that want the same are keeping quiet as to what they know.

  • cdanative33 posted at 11:35 am on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

    cdanative33 Posts: 386

    I understand how people could feel sympathy for the deer if they don't live in an area that has been overrun by them, but for those of us that deal with the out of control population, this isn't that surprising. They have no natural predators therefore their population continues to grow exponentially and they have become a real nuisance. I don't think this persons actions were the best way to deal with the problem, but I understand why he/she did it.

  • CClavin posted at 9:33 am on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

    CClavin Posts: 221

    I can say that my grandson shot a deer last fall near Hayden and it was covered with ticks. The worse he has ever seen. So I am not sure if this is a major problem or not.

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