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Posted: Friday, November 9, 2012 12:06 am | Updated: 2:36 pm, Fri Nov 9, 2012.

COEUR d'ALENE - The Republican Party is at a crossroads, and the road map out is a little fuzzy.

Two days after President Barack Obama's re-election, Kootenai Country Reagan Republican President Jeff Ward addressed his political group about what Tuesday's results mean for the GOP, and what the party needs to do to ensure Republicans can earn the Oval Office again.

The results, though, took a toll on the local political group, a fact Ward didn't try and hide.

"I hope everyone has recovered from the election," Ward told the members gathered for their meeting at Fedora Pub and Grille. "It took me a while. I laid around all day yesterday."

"It did not go completely the way I wanted it," he added. "And I suspect you share that opinion."

To fix it, the national party needs to improve on several fronts.

The key to spreading the conservative message is through education, bridging the generational gap, engaging the national media and reaching ethnic groups now considered outside the party's typical demographic. Those are all categories, he said, in which Republicans have fallen behind and Democrats have capitalized, the results of which were evident Tuesday.

"If you only looked at the election from the standpoint of white, non-Hispanic voters, Barack Obama would have had 39 percent of the vote," Ward said, citing a news report figure. "The difference is to me, why did Hispanics and other ethnic minorities vote in such magnitude for Barack Obama? I think it goes back to our own failure as conservatives."

How to engage that electorate is a little less clear, he said, but the party must do something. Also unclear is how it can help install balanced, American exceptionalism teaching styles into more schools. As it stands now, most colleges and universities are "ideological factories" geared to "promote the progressive, liberal agenda" and "European style socialism," he said.

"I think it's a much more long-term situation where Republicans and conservatives have to get engaged in academia, get engaged in the media," he told The Press following his speech. "To be honest with you, I don't know exactly how to do it. As much money as we spend on political races, I'd like to see more (money spent on) things like journalism school scholarships, endowments at schools that teach a balanced curriculum. I think on a local level, Republicans needs to get involved on school boards, which we have."

The KCRR made a name for itself in the last couple of years because of its active role in elections featuring traditionally nonpartisan races, such as city council and school boards. Members say all elections are political, regardless if a party is printed on the ballot. The group campaigned in 2011 for Coeur d'Alene School District trustees Tom Hamilton and Terri Seymour, both Republicans and the only elected members of the five-member board that recently terminated the district's International Baccalaureate School programs, in part because those programs didn't adhere to American values. Another Coeur d'Alene School Board member, Jim Hightower, who was appointed to a trustee position last summer, sits on the KCRR's board.

"I think we're unique and I think that's something I think has to happen nationwide to be successful and have an even playing field for conservatives," Ward said.

Mary Smith, who attended the meeting, agreed.

"It starts locally," she said after the meeting. She also agreed with Ward's opinion that the national media reports are biased toward the left, which influences election results, which Republicans also need to fix.

"We have to have some rebuttal to what's going on," she said.

Ward didn't shrink away from explaining other factors he believed played a role in the election.

He said the electorate has lost faith in self and religion and placed it in the state, and that voters suffered from Stockholm Syndrome - the psychological phenomenon where hostages sympathize with their captors.

"People should have rejected this administration," he said. "It was not about hope, it was not about change, it was about fear. And people react to fear in many different ways. One of the ways people react to fear is sticking to the devil they know, instead of the devil they don't know. I think that was part of the aspect."

Local Democrats, meanwhile, are meeting today at noon at Iron Horse Bar and Grill, 407 E. Sherman Ave. to discuss the election results - undoubtedly with a different viewpoint than Ward's. Since KCRR began endorsing candidates across a variety of races in the last few years, its record has been nearly flawless. How much direct impact it has is hard to say, but 15 of 16 candidates they endorsed prior to the election won Tuesday.

But Obama's victory means the GOP's approach needs to be adjusted, Ward said, and quickly. How to do that is what needs to be decided.

"What bothers me is Barack Obama was not supposed to win," he said.

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  • JoeIdaho posted at 9:10 am on Fri, Nov 16, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    I guess the "marketing purposes" are more important than the substance, which they are if you're just trying to "sell" something.

    Your fear of republicans "ruling your mind & body" are a lot more important than jobs are, and the rest of yor group proved it through the election. Like I said before you won, and it will NEVER be the same again.

    So; get used to the idea that simply; if you THOUGHT Republicans wanted to "rule your mind & body", you'll be THRILLED with what you voted for; no soft drinks, Ms Obama telling your kids what they can eat in school, even taking away lunches made by parnets because they're not "healthy" enough. You'll REALLY like it when they unnaturally force the price of fuel through the roof, and tell you what you are ALLOWED to have in terms of healthcare.

    Your idea that Republicans wanted to rule your body is a JOKE, GM, when you back people who have already taken over 16% of America's economy based DIRECTLY on controlling your body.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 7:23 pm on Thu, Nov 15, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "...his name was Paul Ryan... he was "too white"

    I think he was too white, for marketing purposes.That is If winning was more important than shoving the Right Wing's agenda down the necks of America. Sometimes I wonder if the Right Wing is more concerned with ruling our minds and bodies than they are with the business of running America.

    Joe, we used to rely on the Republicans for their business sense. Now many of those who talk about being for smaller government and lower taxes seem to be preoccupied with merging church and state, telling women what they can and can't do with their bodies and creating laws to put me in jail for enjoying marijuana.

    It's not rocket surgery to figure out that more control requires more government which creates more expense which requires more tax revenues.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:14 pm on Thu, Nov 15, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    We tried that, GM, his name was Paul Ryan, the problem, accrodng to yourself, was that he was "too white".

    Now, when we DO cut off the Obamaphones & color tv's for those who don't work, the FIRST thing that will happen is the Demos will say that the Repubs are "at it again, trying to take away things form the middle class", and use thier PERFECTED brand of class warfare, JUST LIKE they do now; with the evil rich.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 10:27 am on Thu, Nov 15, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "... because it's an ENTITLEMENT"

    The kids of the "everybody gets a trophy" generation are now adults. Although they are nice people, they are not prepared for the realities of the working world. They are also more interested in "time off" than they are in making money. This is the predominant culture of young America.

    An opportunity to start at the bottom and work your way up is now viewed as an insult. Especially by third generation plus Americans (New Americans however still embrace that opportunity and run with it).

    America has become a strange place where poverty includes a cell phone and a color TV and where we cut taxes for the rich during war time. And to top it all off, we don't care about each other any more, we are not good team players.

    Republicans and Democrats market themselves to different sides of this dynamic. Maybe instead of as political party who is good at marketing, we could use a few politicians with the "know how" to motivate America, we need to wake up and start working together as a team.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 9:27 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    We both thank you, Concerned, (yes I'm speaking for you GM...)

    America, my friend, is only concerned about themselves, personally. Many have no clue what is happening, good or bad, in the country. How many times do you hear someone say "I don't watch the news", or even better; "I don't vote, why should I?"

    The Two Party System is gone, GM, the next "Party" to rise will be a mixture of independants with the Tea Party, and they'll lose, precisely because they want responsibility, and that means Americans losing benefits/handouts. It is EASY for Democrats to scare Americans, it's even easier to influence them to vote for you over ANYTHING they percieve they may lose. The Democrats became masters of the game over the last 20 years; fully capturing almost EVERY minority vote, while they were accumulating more minorities by working to not enforce Border laws, all the while claiming falsely that they are "for the middle class".

    The Democrats bought votes for 30 years, using American Taxpayer Dollars, they are now paid for, and the ONLY issue the Dems have is when they run out of money, and they certainly will. "Taxing the rich" or making them "pay their fair share" is very much the same as getting one, last, final credit card before you stop making the payments on any of them, because you're broke. When that debt comes due, the people that voted for Obama will REQUIRE their money, becasue it's an ENTITLEMENT and I tell you, when that money arrives, but it has no value, because the dollar is in literal freefall, you BETTER be able to feed your family, yourself, and have a GOOD supply of water.

    Then, the "Preppers" will look like geniuses. Sad but true.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 7:11 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

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    Great exchange between Joe and GM.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 6:52 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "I think the GOP is finished; as the majority of Americans now are receiving money from the "government" and will NEVER vote to lose any of it"

    I hope you are wrong, but these are strange days. Not sure if America really cares about losing the middle class. Give a kid an xbox, ipad and cell phone and he's good to go.

    The government does not give away the kind of "Stuff" I want... And so I work.

    Still... We need at least a two party system.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 2:09 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    I disagree with you, GM. I think the GOP is finished; as the majority of Americans now are receieving money from the "government" and will NEVER vote to lose any of it, and that's what voting Republican means.

    On all of the "social policy" stuff that you seem concenred with, the people who never stopped talking about it were Democrats; it's a flag flyer for them; all about how the REpublicans are bad over abortion etc.

    On running America as a business, that idea died on November 6, this year.

    AND.....now that The Islamic States know that we aren't Israels friend any more, with the REelection of Obama, they're starting a war, right now, as we speak.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 10:37 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "so the Republican Party doesn't matter any more, they won't win again in a National election"

    I don't think that's true. It's not like Obama won by a land slide.

    With just a few tweaks the GOP is in position to win. More time spent talking about business, less time talking about the government controlling the bodies of our female citizens. More time creating policy to better manage trade with China, less time cutting taxes while the country is a war.

    I would like to see America run like a business. Before they became preoccupied with merging church and state, the Republicans were best qualified to do so.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 10:04 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Actually, GM, I was wrong about how many States have started Petitions to leave the United States.

    It's over 30 now.

    And guess what?

    Washington State will be one of the ones joining the party; for them it'll be over Marijuana.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 9:59 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    And here's my prediction:
    Now that Obama has enabled the MAJORITY of America by having them on some form of government support, those same leeches who collect will NEVER vote for anyone else (and now, again, they ARE the majority), so the Republican Party doesn't matter any more, they won't win again in a National election, the socialists have won, and they will absolutely destroy America precisely the same as their policies destroyed Greece, only on a much more monumental scale.

    It IS over, GM. You an call it over reacting; whatever you'd like, but today we learned that our country is 22% MORE in debt on a per month basis than it was just a YEAR ago. At the same time; our military have no trust in the President Elect, and the stock market, and most financials, are preparing for a bloodletting of epic proportions. In the last week, over 20 States have begun Petitions to secede from the Union, and there is now a Petition to remove citizenship frm anyone who signed one of those Petitions.

    Those "Preppers" I speak of, well, they're a large enough group that there are MULTIPLE programs on television devoted to them, because people have HUGE interest in the subject OF Prepping. No subject gets mass coverage on programs liek Discovery unless there is also incredible viewership attached.

    And every gun & ammo manufacturer in America can't keep up with demand.

    Meanwhile, the President says that we need to "raise taxes" to fix the problem, (KNOWING this will have little effect, factually) and NOBODY excepting intellectuals & what you'd call the "extreme right wing" are very concerned about what IS coming in terms of hyperinflation.

    Forget any party excepting the one you voted for, GM, you won. Now, watch & see what is going to happen. The news will be really interesting over the next year or two, until it goes dark.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 6:10 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "You assume that others don't "see" things as you do; so they must be "seeing things as they wish they were"

    Speculate as you wish Joe.

    "... all you can do is give "advice" on how the Republicans can be "more accepted""

    That's not what I was saying. I think that if the Republican want to win, they need to play the game with a better understanding of how things are, not how they want them to be. A football team may want to run the ball the whole game, but if running the ball isn't putting points up on the scoreboard, they need to try something else if winning is the objective. Or, they can stick with the running game and lose - But that says that running the ball is more important than winning.

    The Republicans can stay as they are and continue losing or they can adjust. I for one would prefer a strong Republican Party. Here's a prediction, as long as the Republicans are the overwhelming first choice for those who home school their kids, the GOP will continue to lose national elections.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 4:03 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    GM, I think you have a really strange way of seeing things. You assume that others don't "see" things as you do; so they must be "seeing things as they wish they were".

    Simply spoken, Ryan clearly understood exactly what is at stake in todays' world, and had the courage to speak it out loud. I don't believe for a SECOND that race has any part in this, firthermore, I think it IS pretty bigoted to say that in order to sell to a person of another race, you need to BE that race. I think Americans are better than that; and I've sold to every race on the planet, just about.

    See; I disagree with your premise, GM. The ideal that we have to "look" like the people we need to "sell" in order to get anything done that is good for all of us. If what you're saying is the truth, than it means that everyone in America are bigots, and that's not the case. What IS true is that Obama had the outright support of the ENTIRE media excluding FOX as a result of his being a Democrat, and Black. That; to me, IS racist, bigoted as can be, very simply reverse discrimination. But GM, you don't mention that; all you can do is give "advice" on how the Republicans can be "more accepted", as though they need to gain votes from people who, in your very own words, are prejudiced against them.
    IF, GM, you were there in the 60's, I think you'd have been telling the Black people that they "ned to be more like the white people to sell them anything".

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 3:27 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    To win Joe, Republicans will need to see things as they really are, not how they wish they were.

    Ryan seems intelligent, probably has bright future... But to win it's going to take marketing and salesmanship and Romney/Ryan was not the right product for today's America.

    Once upon a time I worked in commission sales in a larger American city. I was very focused on making money and understood that to make money was my purpose at work. I also knew that people tend to buy from people they like. One of my teammates was black and understood they game as I did. Therefore, we routinely shared customers for the sake of the sale. I'd jump in and help if he had white customers and he'd jump in if I had black customers.

    We knew that people prefer to work with people who look like people they already trusted... and we exploited it to make sales (because selling was the goal). I'm sure businessman Romney knows this. Pretty sure at Bain Romney would be on the team if there were Mormons on the other side.

    Instead of fighting how things are, I encourage the GOP to exploit the way things are for votes (if votes are the goal). Otherwise, they better get used to losing.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 2:02 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    GM, we have many points here to disagree upon.

    Latinos & Minorities are considered special interest groups. Period.

    WHY does Ryan's color matter MORE than his ideals and plans, GM? I mean, if America is so fair minded, why would the color of one's skin be a determinant factor?

    Ryan was picked out of intelligence; this man, Ryan, had the COURAGE to attempt to get a bill through Congress & The Senate that woudl have actually had some positive effect on our borrowing and spending. He was chosen because there are those of us who ARE legitimatley color blind, and who clearly undertand the need for serious fiscal responsibility.
    You, my friend, on the other hand, say that it was a istake to pick him because he's white, "too white".

    What, exactly, would liberals say if I said that Oblaham was "too black"?

    Oh; really? I'm a complete bigot? Himmm....I "must be in the Klan"....hmmmm....

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 1:05 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "Blowbama panders to: Latinos, Gays, Minorities, The (poor), disabled, and challenged, in every way"

    Not sure if Latinos or Minorities should be classified as a special interest group.


    "And how does one become "whiter" and WHY does that matter, unless you're a bigot? Is being "whiter" a bad thing?"

    White or whiter is not a bad thing. But let's be real. If the GOP wants to reverse their losing trend they need to find a way to appeal to non-white, women and gay voters. If winning is real objective then a plan must be created that focuses on what needs to be done to win.

    Einstein said that the definition of insanity is "Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" and if that's true, then the Republican Party was absolutely crazy to pick Ryan as their VP candidate. There's a good chance that Romney would be President if they had picked a woman, minority or gay person.

    Picking Ryan was being out of touch with the marketing required to win.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 11:39 am on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    WOW.
    GM says:
    "Romney lost because the Republicans allowed themselves to become the special interest party"
    How in the WORLD can you say that when the peenultimate "special interests party" is and will ALWAYS be the dimmos?

    GM, Blowbama panders to: Latinos, Gays, Minorities, The (poor), disabled, and challenged, in every way.

    And how does one become "whiter" and WHY does that matter, unless you're a bigot? Is being "whiter" a bad thing?

    And YES, obviously, anyone who votes for someone who has legitimately made things worse is doing so ONLY because they are personally recieving other people's money. Yes, they voted themselves money, other people's money, and yes, they are ignorant, because they (Oblhama voters) could care less about America as a whole, they care a LOT about themselves.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 10:32 am on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "The real reason Romney lost is because the GOP pissed off all the Ron Paul voters"

    Romney lost because the Republicans allowed themselves to become the special interest party. Religion, abortion, guns, controlling women, Sesame Street, Planned Parenthood, anti-gay, etc.

    Romney the world class businessman got lost in the mix.

    Republicans call for less government, then attempt to use government to impose their personal belief system on all Americans. This is not smart marketing. Republicans say that they are reaching out to non-white voters and then select a man even whiter than Romney as their VP candidate. Again, this is not smart marketing.

    ... and then after they lose (again), they blame Americans for their loss because Obama voters are dumb, immoral or want stuff. Really bad marketing. Romney the businessman would not have let this happen. Romney the Republican however, had no choice.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 5:32 am on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Agree Michael.....VERY much. Had arguments with a neighbor over this precise issue, Paul has THE legitimate answers, none of the Republicna Candidates did, and the Republican Party looked at him like he was crazy.

    Of course, if you think the libs, CNBC, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, if you think they attacked Romney, you shouls see what they'd have done to Paul.

    And he IS my Hero.

     
  • Michael Alexander posted at 1:44 am on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Michael Alexander Posts: 93

    Mr. Ward,
    The real reason Romney lost is because the GOP pissed off all the Ron Paul voters, who were Constitutionalists, Libertarians, Democrats, Independents, and the youth. If the powers that be wanted the republicans to win, Ron Paul would have been the nominee. If the republicans were smart, they would choose a person with different views than the president. Why would we as Dr. Paul supporters, want Romney for 8 years if we can have Obama for only 4? WE DO NOT WANT THE STATUS QUO, and that is why Romney lost! You should have listened to the 12 million voters that did not vote! Maybe next time you will vote your conscience, as oppose to who is "electable".

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 9:02 pm on Mon, Nov 12, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Don't you wish, "toothless".
    I like the Bengazi ordeal, pretty neat.
    CIA Director is sleeping with someone outside of marriage, giving her secrets, and it gets helpd back until...AFTER the election.
    Never been anything near as corrupt as the Blobama Non-Administration.

     
  • truthful1 posted at 8:43 pm on Mon, Nov 12, 2012.

    truthful1 Posts: 554

    The conservative 'message' is dead, pure and simple.

     
  • aayupp posted at 8:34 pm on Mon, Nov 12, 2012.

    aayupp Posts: 308

    with age comes wisdom. therefor, our voting is swayed first by the young uninfomed and pretty much ignorant person who is allowed to vote. thats ok but therew votes should be tempered -maybe it only equials .5 vote vs a full vote. they are not intelligent votes at all. and the hispanic vote well they have to be american citizens would help. the black vote- well -it is what it is. my question is on this is how did mitt win louisiana and m ississippi ? or even georgia? now about colin powell- from now on ignore this government lackey becasue thats all he is.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 7:48 pm on Mon, Nov 12, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    As a matter of fact, yes, I would absolutely throw in subsidized legal marijuana. The throw in form you on not giving it to those on unemployment is a great bonus, I concur with.

    I will also take you a step further; legally.
    My next position is based on State's Rights.
    From here on out, indivudual States have the ultimate RIGHT to make their own laws, across the board, and the Feds cannot interfere. So if San Fran wants to make every day "Gay Day", welcome to it, if they want to legalize heroin, and people concur, the Feds can do NOTHING to stop it. This also is purposedly intended to address subjects leek Arizona's identity laws, and Washingont State's new marijuana law, directly.

    "Born in Bonners", you add SO much to the conversation, who is "we", by the way, how's that workin' for ya? And my, aren't you the violent one; asking that I "blow up in my head "real good"....bet you're in the North Idaho versions of deliverance, huh?
    Don't tell anyone your party affiliation, you'll lose friends, I guarantee it.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 4:49 pm on Mon, Nov 12, 2012.

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    "3. Investigate thoroughly every entitlement program and get rid of payments to dead people; SS disability cheats, welfare cheats, etc"

    Sounds good to me Joe. Will you throw in government subsidized legal marijuana? The proceeds can be used to pay for health care for all Americans. I'll even go along with no legal weed purchases for those receiving unemployment benefits.

     
  • Born in Bonners posted at 4:25 pm on Mon, Nov 12, 2012.

    Born in Bonners Posts: 64

    Why does anyone even try to have meaningful conversation with JoeIdaho? I can't imagine anything more pointless. I say if we just ignore his rabid rants and pretend he isn't here maybe he'll go somewhere in his head and blow up real good.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 2:41 pm on Mon, Nov 12, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Sure GM, I'll play:
    1. End War
    2. Cut spending
    And I'll go one more....
    3. Investigate thoroughly every entitlement program and get rid of payments to dead people; SS disability cheats, welfare cheats, etc.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 2:39 pm on Mon, Nov 12, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    And juno, you have no comprehension of what I "understand" or not.

    I am, effectively, an Independant. For all of your spouting, you never understood that my (A) choice was Ron Paul, and that Romney was #2. I am also "not bound to any party platform", but I DO have a choice in ideology, and Democrats are legitimately owned by a communist leadership. Your ideal of what is "
    extreme right wing" is nothing more than my calling liberals commies, and you'll never have any comprehension of what real "extreme right wing" actually is.

    As to what you "picture" me as; again, wrong. I'm not old, have 15 years to get TO SS.

    Evidently, my posts aren't quite so "meaningless", as you just couldn't STOP yourself from responding.

    Again, enjoy the collapse of the American dollar, sponsored by well meaning Democrats.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 2:37 pm on Mon, Nov 12, 2012.

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    "America has never been about what can be done for us. It’s about what can be done by us, together, through the hard and frustrating but necessary work of self-government. That's the principle we were founded on"

    — President Barack Obama, November 7, 2012

     
  • juno posted at 12:30 pm on Mon, Nov 12, 2012.

    juno Posts: 112

    I did not intend to, but I just could not resist doing another post.

    Joe:
    You do not understand that there are independents who are not bound to any party platform.
    We did have a party, i.e. a party last Tuesday night where we celebrated not the win of the Democrats but the loss of the extreme right wing Republicans, like you.
    In case you missed my previous reply to you, here it is again.
    Reality will probably never set in for you. I picture you as an angry old white male who will lucky for the rest of us forever be in the minority. Save your time to write all those numerous meaningless posts and just sit in front of a TV and listen to Fox News and Limbough. As the saying goes, you can't change an old horse.


     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 11:59 am on Mon, Nov 12, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "There is a difference in IDEOLOGY"

    That's fine. I'm sure we can find some common ground and start work there. Nobody benefits from fighting to a stand still.

    Step 1: End war (cut expense)

    Nobody likes war, nobody wants more debt.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 10:34 am on Mon, Nov 12, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    GM, you fight everything that Conservatives espouse, so yes, you do have a party. "D".

    It's not "hard to make things better with an angry red team".
    There is a difference in IDEOLOGY.
    The one you are for, the "blue team" believe that we can continue spending like it doesn't natter, those of us who are Prepeing are pragmatic, and fully realize that (A) this attitude won't change and (B) it WILL crush whatever economy we have through hyperinflation.
    The idea that it "can't be fixed becuase conservatives have bad attitudes" is beneat you, GM, you're smarter thatn that & you know it.


     
  • KayEllen48 posted at 9:17 am on Mon, Nov 12, 2012.

    KayEllen48 Posts: 89

    DeNiles: You need to find a dictionary and look up the word "socialism". There is nothing socialistic about Obama's policies.

     
  • KayEllen48 posted at 8:52 am on Mon, Nov 12, 2012.

    KayEllen48 Posts: 89

    Jesus: What makes you think the Democratic Paraty is sooooo enthusiastic about illegal immigrants? It was Reagan who gave amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants. George Bush tried to give amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants and did little to deter more from coming here. Deportations are up under Obama. Workplace arrests are up under Obama. The borders are better protected under Obama. The estimate of illegals in this country has gone down under Obama. Last time I checked, Obama was a Democrat.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 11:16 pm on Sun, Nov 11, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "... the vast majority of your party believes that "everything will be fine"

    I don't have a party Joe. I have a country and I'm willing to work to make it better. Hard to make things better with an angry red team who seems to be obsessed with our demise. Hard to win when many are focused on losing.


    "EPA posted a proposed rule involving volatile organic compound emissions from architectural coatings"

    Fyi... LEED compliant construction is a booming domestic business. Hard for China to play ball on the materials side. This is a good thing.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 10:01 pm on Sun, Nov 11, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    6,125 Proposed Regulations and Notifications Posted in Last 90 Days--Average 68 per Day

    November 9, 2012

    (AP File Photo)

    (CNSNews.com) – It’s Friday morning, and so far today, the Obama administration has posted 165 new regulations and notifications on its reguations.gov website.

    In the past 90 days, it has posted 6,125 regulations and notices – an average of 68 a day.

    The website allows visitors to find and comment on proposed regulations and related documents published by the U.S. federal government. "Help improve Federal regulations by submitting your comments," the website says.

    The thousands of entries run the gamut from meeting notifications to fee schedules to actual rules and proposed rule changes.

    In recent days, for example, the EPA posted a proposed rule involving volatile organic compound emissions from architectural coatings: “We are approving a local rule that regulates these emission sources under the Clean Air Act (CAA or the Act),” the proposed rule states. “We are taking comments on this proposal and plan to follow with a final action.”

    Another proposed rule will provide guidance for FDA staff on "enforcement criteria for canned ackee, frozen ackee, and other ackee products that contain hypoglycin A." (Ackee is the national fruit of Jamaica; unripened or inedible portions can be toxic.)

    Some of the proposed regulations revise regulations already on the books.

    The website also links to a video of a speech President Barack Obama gave at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce in Washington, D.C. on Feb. 7, 2011, in which the president promised to remove “outdated and unnecessary regulations.”

    “I've ordered a government-wide review, and if there are rules on the books that are needlessly stifling job creation and economic growth, we will fix them,” the president said.

    A number of groups, including the Competitive Enterprise Institute, expect a rush of new regulations now that President Obama has won a second term:

    CEI expects the EPA to move ahead on delayed rules on everything from greenhouse gas emissions to ozone standards. “Rules from the health care bill and the Dodd-Frank financial regulation bill will also likely make themselves known in the weeks to come," the group said on its website.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 2:15 pm on Sun, Nov 11, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Straight up, I'm WITH YOU.
    I wil guaranteed ensure that I make less money frm here on out, because if you THINK I didn't pay enough taxes as a "rich" person, wait until I join the ranks of the Obama voters!
    Also, there's simply no way I'm hiring anyone, for a long, long time. I HAD plans to possibly open (2) branch offices had the government actually gotten more friendly towards business, but now, I have no choice but to join the downtrodden in order to "blend in". My back hurts, too, but I haven't complained about it yet. Now, going in for SS disability.

    I ALSO want an Obamaphone. So long, Verizon. Know that'll cost a few jobs, but oh well, we have to "take care of each other", right fellow commies?

    I could go on, but I am tellng you that I'm not alone, at all, in saying that I will absolutely work less, do with less, and consume less as a result of Obama being reelected.

    GM, the vast majority of your party believes that "everything will be fine". That's why they voted for the imbecile. And we're not in Iraq militarily any more, will be out of Afghanistan in a few....but it will have no effect on the devaluation of the dollar. It's crashing, soon, and regardless of your political leanings, it will have more effect on society than anything since world war 2, and will eventually be far more damaging.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 11:31 am on Sun, Nov 11, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "... as a democrat you'll keep believing them when they tell you "everything will be fine"

    No reasonable person thinks that everything is fine. Among other things, we are at war! Need to focus on ending war. This should help with debt as well.

    Pretty sure that reasonable reasonable people from both parties will agree that we need to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan ASAP. Maybe keeping an air base in either country is wise but no more war.

    This is something that all Americans can work on together, regardless of political tendencies.

     
  • juno posted at 10:51 am on Sun, Nov 11, 2012.

    juno Posts: 112

    Joe:
    Reality will probably never set in for you. I picture you as an angry old white male who will lucky for the rest of us forever be in the minority. Save your time to write all those numerous meaningless posts and just sit in front of a TV and listen to Fox News and Limbough. As the saying goes, you can't change an old horse.

     
  • straight up posted at 9:57 am on Sun, Nov 11, 2012.

    straight up Posts: 925

    If you can't beat them...

    I'm canceling my Verizon contract and signing up for the free ObamaPhone Plan.

    I'm asking my boss to eliminate my position and am going to apply for unemployment.

    Food Stamps? But of course.

    Then I'm thinking of becoming a professional college student - all on loans that I won't be expected to pay back, thanks to *sigh* Him.

    I've got this bad back that I have put up with for years,,,,think I'll get me some of that Social Security disability money for that.

    Might just father a child or two out of wedlock and get me some government cheese for that as well.

    If I get a nice girlfriend - you can bet she I'll support her as a woman with rights and stand in line with her for those free contraceptives.

    Might become a substance abuser - get me some free rehab and maybe a nice warm bed in a free half-way house for the winter. Until then, I'll be applying for that free utility bill money.

    If I get bored, I'll just pop into the Emergency Room and get some free treatment for something or other, just for something to do. (Or I might try the Urgent Care - hear they play cable TV in those waiting rooms!)

    RIP GOP - I'm jumping on the ObamaTrain!

    TOOT! TOOT!

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 9:11 am on Sun, Nov 11, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    wolf, you call 2008 a "revolution"?
    It was a mistake, the same as the debacle this time around.
    America won't be the same, though, that's for sure.
    Between now & the collapse, obama will certainly install new laws, further corrupting business & restricint individual rights. Your fuel costs will rise, stupidly, and as a democrat you'll keep believing them when they tell you "everything wil be fine". When it does collapse, you'll expect them to come to your rescue, since you voted for them and more than that BELIEVED in them, but that's when reality will set in for you.

    WELCOME to your revolution.

     
  • KayEllen48 posted at 7:52 am on Sun, Nov 11, 2012.

    KayEllen48 Posts: 89

    Actually Joe, that isn't entirely correct. The people outside the big cities did not ALL vote R. Maybe the majority voted R. But that is not ALL the people outside the big cities. I know people in rural areas of WI, OH, WV and KY who voted D, even tho the majority may have voted R. I live in a rural area of North Idaho and I voted D. And gosh, I think there are probably a lot of folks in the big cities who voted R.

     
  • lone wolf posted at 7:03 am on Sun, Nov 11, 2012.

    lone wolf Posts: 242

    The conventional wisdom has arrived: 2012 was a status quo election. President Barack Obama was reelected. Democrats continue to have a majority in the Senate. Republicans still control the House. Only two states changed their presidential votes from 2008 to 2012 (North Carolina and Indiana). Six billion dollars were spent and almost nothing changed!

    The conventional wisdom is wrong. Things have indeed changed. Voters came out to defend the revolution of 2008. They rejected a return to the old order.

    The status quo candidate in this election was Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney. Romney represented the old order that’s been in power since 1980: the Reagan regime with its power base of older white men. Bill Clinton, the only Democrat to win the White House during that regime, tried to make accommodations with it. They impeached him.

    All that changed with the revolution of 2008. The New America, led by Obama, came to power. It was a movement of young people, working women, African-Americans, Latinos, Asian-Americans, union members, liberals, gays and other groups that had long been denied power.

    A revolution always faces a counterrevolution. When the Bolsheviks came to power in Russia, they immediately faced a counterrevolution led by the White Army, which was fighting to defend the Czarist regime. When the Obama movement came to power in 2009, a counterrevolution sprang up immediately: the Tea Party. The Tea Party enjoyed a big victory in 2010 when it gained power in Congress and nearly killed health care reform.

    Tuesday, the New America defeated the forces of reaction. There were some doubts about whether the 2008 majority would show up again. Many Democrats were disappointed in Obama and frustrated by his inability to deliver the hope and change he promised. But they did show up.

    What drove them to the polls this time was not hope but fear — fear that the Tea Party Republicans would take over the country. Obama continued to draw strong support from women, gays, African-Americans, Latinos, Asian-Americans, liberals and union members. In some cases (Latinos, Asian-Americans, gays), Obama did better than he did in 2008. His big loss was among white men (from 41 percent in 2008 to 35 percent this year). They’re the old regime.

    The White Army was routed. It retreated to Siberia — in this case, the House of Representatives, where Republicans retained their majority. Why did Republicans hold on to the House? Because the House is fortified against change. House incumbents are difficult to defeat. Their challengers are mostly unknown. Moreover, most state legislatures are controlled by Republicans, and they used their power over redistricting to protect Republican incumbents.

    It’s hard to call this a status quo election when so many Americans are dissatisfied with the status quo. In the network exit poll, more than 75 percent of voters described the nation’s economy as bad. A majority said the country is seriously off on the wrong track. Only a quarter said they were better off than they were four years ago.

    How did Obama escape blame? Votes blamed President George W. Bush — the old regime — more than Obama for the nation’s economic problems (53 to 38 percent). The revolution is not finished. It must go on.

    Will we see change? Sure. We’re getting more and more evidence every day. House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has signaled a willingness to make a deal on taxes (“We’re ready to be led”). High-income taxpayers will very likely see their taxes go up. The new health care law has been protected from repeal. Former Republican Party chairman Haley Barbour is now calling on Republicans to support immigration reform. If they don’t, the whole country could go the way of California, where Latino voting power has reduced Republicans to a powerless minority.

    The country will not go over the fiscal cliff. Obama has vowed not to let that happen, and Republicans in Congress know it would throw the country back into recession. Obama doesn’t have to face the voters again. They do.

    Before this year, same-sex marriage had been rejected by voters 32 times. This year, it was approved by voters in all four states where it was on the ballot. It should now be possible for Obama to break the logjam and peel off some Republican support for tax reform, energy legislation and debt reduction.

    Karl Rove was the Admiral Alexander Kolchak of the effort to hold back change, the supreme commander of the counterrevolutionary forces. His American Crossroads Super PAC spent more than $100 million on attack ads. According to the Sunlight Foundation, only 1 percent of the candidates supported by his committee won. That is one of the lowest returns on investment of any independent spending group.

    The Bolsheviks shot Kolchak. Rove was lucky. He just got humiliated on national TV.

    Why did Democrats win? It certainly wasn’t the economy. It was the demography, stupid. Mainstream America is changing. Message to Republicans: Deal with it.
    http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/09/fighting-off-the-counterrevolution/

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 8:40 pm on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    juno, guess what?
    You'll GET your wish, no doubt. The only issue is that your math is wrong.
    Dems get:
    The cities, period.
    Even in "Blue" states like Michigan & Wisconsin, the people outside of the big cities all voted R.

     
  • blazer posted at 2:11 pm on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    blazer Posts: 17

    Sadly, here's a partial list of policies that will not be emanating from the White House:

    1. Women - defund Planned Parenthood, support states in wiping out abortion rights
    2. Middle class - increase taxes $2000 per family
    3. Latinos - self deportation
    4. Education - cuts in funding for Pell grants and the Education budget by 40%
    5. The poor - cuts in funding for Medicaid, welfare and food stamps
    6. The American workforce - support for states in Union busting and a federal stance on eliminating the minimum wage
    7. Health care - repeal The Affordable Health Care Act
    8. Military - addition of $2trillion to the Defense budget
    9. Committee appointments - Expand "Faith Based" Overlords to Chair all Committees, especially in science
    10. The wealthy - Corporations and big business - give bigger tax breaks

     
  • juno posted at 12:52 pm on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    juno Posts: 112

    KayEllen: excellent comment !

     
  • KayEllen48 posted at 12:26 pm on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    KayEllen48 Posts: 89

    "What bothers me is Barack Obama was not supposed to win," he said.

    According to whom? According to those who tried to steal the election by voter suppression? According to those who thought the American people were too stupid to see through their lies? This statement illustrates why the Republican Party lost this election. Not just the Presidency, but lost seats in the House and Senate as well. Apparently Barack Obama WAS supposed to win. He won both the electoral college and the popular vote.
    We have come to expect and accept that candidates for public office will distort, obfuscate, and embellish. But this year, the Republican candidates took this to a new high. The obvious bald-faced, absurd, and repetitive lies that were told by Romney, Ryan, and their campaign, and were supported by pundits and supporters were astounding. Whether or not one agreed with their policies, who could in good conscience vote for someone who would lie so easily and egregiously?
    It's amazing to read the comments here. Democrats pander to small voting interests? Are you kidding??? (Schmidt) People move to Idaho for the political climate. (Flash) No, people move to Idaho for a lot of reasons, but IN SPITE of the political climate. Obama is a socialist and/or a communist. NO, he is not! Apparently the people who say this don't know what a socialist or a communist is.
    Idaho ranks number 49 out of 50 for the lowest per capita income in the country (according to the most recent data I could find) Yet Idaho supports a candidate who favors the wealthy. Romney's policies would have been disaster for the people of Idaho. Republicans promise to repeal "Obamacare" (even though many of it's provisions were originally Republican ideas) just because it was passed by a Democratic president. And even though the CBO has repeatedly and emphatically said that its repeal will add anywhere from $109 billion to $145 billion to the deficit over the next decade. Obama doesn't enforce immigration laws (MaxPower). Oh, yes he does. Annual deportation figures are higher than any other time in our history and it is harder for illegals to enter the country thanks to Obama policies. The estimate of the number of illegals in the country has actually decreased during Obama's first term. Obama is not in favor of amnesty. That would be Reagan and Bush.
    Wake up people. Stop watching FoxNotNews!!! If you want to bring the Republican Party back from the dead, look to reasonable Republicans like Colin Powell, Dwight Eisenhower, even Jack Kemp for some direction. There really are good Republicans out there but the current office holders and candidates aren't them. I don't think there is any hope for JoeIdaho. He is obviously living in an alternate universe and needs to find a cave to live in. I hear there is a nice one in West Virginia that is for sale. But anyone with a brain who has had the opportunity for a good education (an opportunity that is quickly going away if the GOP has anything to say about it) should wake up and start thinking instead of following the crazies.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 10:56 am on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "So; you think eveything's "just fine" now that boobama's reelected"

    No, everything is not just fine. America has separated into two teams, sane people and those who want to merge church and state.

    Republicans need to distance themselves from special interest groups. Republicans need to tell the Tea Party to find their own party to poison.

    I want a strong Republican Party, one that challenges the democrats... But that's not going to happen as long as they continue to ignore the fact that women and non-white people (non-traditional America per Bill O'Reilly) can vote.

     
  • milburnschmidt posted at 10:46 am on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    milburnschmidt Posts: 1161

    Several years ago James Carville after Obama was elected said the republican party was dead for fifty years two years later they won the house back overwhelmingly. I have always voted republican but remain a independent. Im tired of the unfulfilled promises to reduce government and seeing jobs and wages disappear under both parties. As the Democrats divide us into smaller and smaller voting interests and pander to them the republicans are doomed unless they do the same thing. They will never win the black vote unless they pander and reward the leaders who take home the bacon. Black voters in large cities only care about bringing home the benefits. Jessie Jackson Jr was awol hiding from the feds and was voted back in overwhelming ly as he was plea barganning to stay out of prison,Marion barry the crack smoker has been voted back into DC politics several times. LC Hasting a defrocked federal judge was kicked off the bench but elected to comngress as was Charlie Rangel.And yes many white leaders are kicked out of office for the same thing but few have the nerve to try to come back fortunately. Only by lowering their standards could republicans compete with that. Hispanic voters are blackmailing the Dems into amnesty,bi lingual education and open borders for their votes.Soon it will be to bring all the folks and families from mexico and So america here also. Womens issues determine the womens vote,contraception,equal pay, affirmative action,work place hostility. Perhaps Monty Hall should be the Dems re election leader and call it lets make a deal Repubs could get Donald Trump to tour his estates and tout Big Business benfits to aspire to for everyone. Repubs have to change the way they handle those complaints or be accused of gender genocide. Legal drugs,occupy wall street,taxpayers pay for transgender operations are all in the Democratic big tent. If the Republican party changes its priorities to these it wont be the same party. Better to stick to your beliefs and go down swinging than pander away your beliefs and wait till the country realizes the mess we are in.As the Democrats drive out the moderates in their party so do the Republicans leaving no room for compromise. A vote for a Democrat now in congress means a return to Nancy Pelosi and a San Francisco version of the United States. The Blue dogs have been neutered and the moderate republicans driven out.At some point you just have to sit back and let the change come and hope the collective wisdom of the american people rule. We are in a mess and it could get worse.

     
  • KayEllen48 posted at 9:43 am on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    KayEllen48 Posts: 89

    Joe, I think you need to look up the definition of "communism". You apparently don't have a clue what it means.
    No, it is not a crime to like your own race. Who is saying that it is? Aren't we all part of the human race? If you are referring to "ethnicity", no it's not a crime to like your own ethnicity either. But liking your own doesn't mean that you hate others. Not if you are a Christian. And apparently you advocate Christian ideals - the ideals that made America. No, it's not bad to be "for" small town & country living. Who is saying that it is? Those people who live in big cities are Americans also and have the same rights as you. What they do or do not do doesn't limit your right to live in a small town. And what is wrong with being indignant? I think that is another word you need to look up. And I don't think you need to worry about your kids being taught the gay lifestyle. Schools today don't have enough money to teach art, music, science and math. I don't think they will waste time teaching the gay lifestyle. You and your kind are just drawing attention to it by your outrage at something you don't understand. You are teaching your kids to hate, and in my opinion, that is much worse than letting others love who they love. Don't tread on them and they won't tread on you.

     
  • KayEllen48 posted at 9:23 am on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    KayEllen48 Posts: 89

    Max, If illegal immigration is an issue for you, you need to get your facts straight because if you open your eyes, you will see that Obama has been enforcing the laws. During his administration, more illegals have been deported than at any other time in our history. He has been punishing employers of illegals and has made it more difficult to live here illegally. Ronald Reagan was the President who gave amnesty to over 3 million illegals. Bush tried to give amnesty to millions of illegals and to make it easier for illegals to enter the country. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think both of those presidents were Republicans. It's a myth promoted by the GOP and the right-wing media that Obama has not been tough on immigration. Yes, you are correct that it is no longer 2000. It is now 2012 and I think if you check, you will find that the estimates of illegals in this country has actually gone down - and not just because of self-deportation. Here is one article you can read. Feel free to verify the information by checking credible sources - that would disqualify FoxNotNews.
    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/immigration-366439-obama-enforcement.html

     
  • juno posted at 7:57 am on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    juno Posts: 112

    I got the following in an email. Made me smile. There is a little bit of truth in it.
    The RED states could not make it on their own. We are all in it together, so let's get along.

    >> Dear Red States:
    >>
    >> We're ticked off at your Neanderthal attitudes and politics and we've decided we're leaving: "Legitimate rape." is almost reason enough!
    >>
    >> We in Oregon intend to form our own country and we're taking the other Blue States with us.
    >> In case you aren't aware that includes California, Hawaii, , Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and New York and the rest of the Northeast.
    >>
    >> We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation and especially to the people of the new country of The Enlightened States of America (E.S.A).
    >>
    >> To sum up briefly:
    >>
    >> You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states.
    >>
    >> We get stem cell research and the best beaches.
    >>
    >> We get Andrew Cuomo and Elizabeth Warren. You get Bobby Jindal and Todd Akin.
    >>
    >> We get the Statue of Liberty. You get OpryLand.
    >>
    >> We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom and Wal Mart.
    >>
    >> We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss.
    >>
    >> We get 85 percent of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs.
    >>
    >> You get Alabama.
    >>
    >> We get two-thirds of the tax revenue. You get to make the red states pay their fair share.
    >>
    >> Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition's we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single moms.
    >>
    >> Please be aware that the E.S.A. will be pro choice and anti war and we're going to want all our citizens back from Afghanistan at once. We wish you success in Afghanistan, and possibly Iran as well, but we're not willing to spend our resources in these sorts of pursuits.
    >>
    >> With the Blue States in hand we will have firm control of 80% of the country's fresh water, more than 90% of the pineapple and lettuce, 92% of the nation's fresh fruit, 95% of America's quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90% of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the US low sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools including Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.
    >>
    >> With the Red States you will have to cope with 88% of all obese Americans and their projected health care costs, 92% of all US mosquitoes, nearly 100% of the tornadoes, 90% of the hurricanes, 99% of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100% of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.
    >>
    >> We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.
    >>
    >> 38% of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62% believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44% say that evolution is only a theory, 53% that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61% of you believe you are people with higher morals than we lefties.
    >>
    >> As for debt thank your Bush families: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Federal_Debt_1901-2010.png
    >>


     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:56 am on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    So; you think eveything's "just fine" now that boobama's reelected, huh GM? No more worries about the dollar collapsing; we're financially stable, right?

    NEWSFLASH:
    North Idaho was renamed "America's Redoubt" a while back, and people continue to flood here, as Preppers. The rest of the country is prepping, BOTH dimmos & repubs, but hey; you go ahead & keep telling yourself & everyone you know that it's "all gonna be just fine", and meanwhile there'll be les competition for the dehydrated food that's now being sold at Walmart.

    On the "no fighting sign", I guess that goes along with his announcements (since the election) that he's going to implement carbon taxes, shut down western us drilling, and force feed us all obummer care, and of course the famous pig wrapped in a Romney t-short delivered to the Romney campaign building in Manhattan, CA?

    Heather is right, our little local gestapo is using 14 million dollars to build parks. WOuldn't it be a LOT better if they used it to prepare for what's coming when the Fed goes under?

     
  • heatherfeather posted at 1:08 am on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    heatherfeather Posts: 297

    Randy. The two-party system is irrelevant.

    Join a new cause or go extinct with the rest of the dinosaurs.

    Welcome to the 21st Century! It's gonna be a RIDE!

     
  • heatherfeather posted at 1:06 am on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    heatherfeather Posts: 297

    Lost? How about the 15 million the system lost in the last election?

    Republicrats? Demicans? Feh! It is SO much bigger than that. Those party hacks just put on the most expensive circus sideshow ever and couldn't even get half the eligible voters to believe their BS.

    Turn off your TV.

     
  • heatherfeather posted at 1:04 am on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    heatherfeather Posts: 297

    A Latino should definitely run for the presidency of Aztlan, and the Republic of California.

    Mark my words: Soviet-style breakup.

    An idea whose time has come!

     
  • heatherfeather posted at 1:02 am on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    heatherfeather Posts: 297

    If 96% of whites had voted for President Romney (yes, THAT would have been the outcome!) the lapdog media would be screaming incessantly for four years.

    They are irrelevant, their government is irrelevant. We are about to witness a We The People tax revolt which will kick them to the curb. They are welcome to form their own nations in New England and the Left Coast where their voter base is strong. I don't care as long as I don't have to call them countrymen.

     
  • heatherfeather posted at 12:56 am on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    heatherfeather Posts: 297

    No. Let's not get along. Your old road is rapidly aging. Time for 21st Century thinking.

    Time to stop dwelling in the past and present and start thinking of what could be.

     
  • heatherfeather posted at 12:55 am on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    heatherfeather Posts: 297

    Instead of worrying about national issues, our local politicians should be thinking about how to manage things when the broken, bankrupt federal government crashes and burns.

    Despite the most expensive election in history, despite two years of campaigning, turnout was off by 15 million (adjusted for population) voters. People are waking up and realizing that the current status quo system is unsustainable.

    I'm glad I live in Idaho. My hope is within ten years we will be part of a new nation. Google the electoral map to get a general idea of our borders. Think Pacific Crest.

    In the words of a man who died the year I was born: "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one"

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 8:00 pm on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "ENJOY the crash that's coming, Dimmos"

    Little Red State Riding Hood is no longer afraid of the big bad doomsday wolf. Now if you don't mind sir Joe, let's find a way to work together.

    The captain has turned on the no fighting sign. Please return to you life and do your best to keep this country number one.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:25 pm on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Demorat Mantra:
    "Oh, you're a minority candidate; we LOVE you!!!!"
    "Oh, you're a white candidate? Not so sure...."

    The BIGGEST racists are liberal demcrabs.
    ENJOY the crash that's coming, Dimmos. Roney wouldn't have fixed it, but oblhama ACCELERATES it.
    You guys will be all happy with your "fair" treatment of the world, and with your "fair" taxes, and it'll wipe out the dollar in no time at all.

    BTW, the biggest group now entering the Prepper community is liberal. Know why?
    Because even THEY have figured out what a total mess we have, and how blowbama is making it worse.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:17 pm on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Take a LOOK at the map of America that voted communist, cauis. You'll find the cities voted commie, the rest of us voted conservative.

    You said:
    "the narrow parameters that makes up the Idaho Republican Party, ie: Christian, white, pro life, pro small town, pro rural country living, pro fear of government and the outside world, anti- gay"

    Christian ideals are what made America. The majority of people that made America GREAT were white, is it a crime to like your own race; or is it racist that Black people stand for Black people? or is it only racist if white people stand for themselves? Is it bad to be "for" a small town & country living? ALL of the Founders of this Nation feared large indignant government, only geniuses like you don't. And no, very FEW americans want thier kids to be taught the gay lifestyle, it's abnormal and sick.
    Happy?

     
  • Ybother posted at 6:07 pm on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    Ybother Posts: 184

    No blazer. The moral values of this society are lost. However, Latinos are mostly conservatives and Catholic (don't kill babies). Is this alright with you?

     
  • blazer posted at 5:22 pm on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    blazer Posts: 17

    Ahh, now I see. Once properly exposed to sensible conservative lessons and values, the shifting demographic tide will turn against Democrats and fall in line rebuilding the landslide seen in the 2010 midterm elections and transforming that great event into the natural occurrence it ought to be going forward. Have I got that right?

     
  • juno posted at 5:04 pm on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    juno Posts: 112

    Caius, well said.

     
  • Ybother posted at 5:02 pm on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    Ybother Posts: 184

    Republicans have nothing to worry about. The winner of this election will be the loser by the next election. There isn't a tax break or stimulus big enough to rescue us from what first happened under George W. Bush, and what has happened in the last four years under Obama. This election was decided by race (see voter demographics). The GOP should be smart enough to get a latino to run, and blame everything on the last 8 years. By the next election, the conservative latino majority public will forget "W's" two wars, "W's" bank neglect, and "W's big stimulus bail out and vote in another Republican. Just you wait and see........
    Vote Independent and have a "going away party!"


     
  • Flash Gordon posted at 3:46 pm on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    Flash Gordon Posts: 1186

    Golden Mean........What I should have said was democrats should not get complacent with 2010 in the back of their minds....

     
  • taxpayer posted at 2:34 pm on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    taxpayer Posts: 314

    you must be using good drugs, a carbon copy, u r broken

     
  • taxpayer posted at 2:31 pm on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    taxpayer Posts: 314

    the republicans have lost 4 of the last 6 elections, speaks for itself, good thing we live in decmocracy, if you dont change with the country, you will bury yourself

     
  • cdanative33 posted at 2:26 pm on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    cdanative33 Posts: 354

    Huh?

     
  • rationaldiscussionplz posted at 12:53 pm on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    rationaldiscussionplz Posts: 266

    That's it, exactly.

    The Republicans have a bad habit of thinking the media *might* be on their side if they just pick the right person. So the Republicans let the media choose John McCain in 2008, because he was the "only 'presidential' person in the primaries." They chose a RINO who "worked across the aisle" more than he worked with even moderate Republicans, much less conservatives. As soon as he was the confirmed Republican candidate, the media turned on him. And McCain was soundly defeated.

    Then the Republicans chose Mitt Romney after the media told them he was the only person with a chance to beat Obama. Romney is Massachusetts progressive who at one time or another has lauded socialized medicine, gun control and abortion. As soon as he was nominated, the media turned on him. And even though he ran a solid campaign (unlike McCain) and he moved a little to the right, a lot of conservative and libertarian voters just couldn't bring themselves to get excited about someone like him. They may have voted for him, but they put little to no energy into the street battle--actually getting other people to the polls to vote for Romney.

    The point being that as long as Republicans keep on trying to beat Democrats by putting up moderate and liberal candidates, they're going to keep losing elections. Republicans need to put up true conservatives, not wishy-washy moderates and liberal flip floppers. That's the way to get people excited and walking their neighborhoods, telling people about the candidate and getting more Republican voters to the polls.

    Instead, the Republicans keep chasing after the mythical "independents," the "moderates," the "undecideds" the media tells them they need to appeal to (by moving left), rather than focusing on what will actually win them elections--putting up solid conservative, freedom-loving, country-loving, small-government candidates.

     
  • inclined posted at 12:49 pm on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    inclined Posts: 682

    The Golden Meme.

    " the goofy special interest groups (religion, gun nuts, anti-gay haters, women controllers, etc) and put all of your energy into making [that] country a better place to live."

    Hey, I know that place. Actually several places like that you could be within hours. Cuba. Mexico. Sudan.Ethiopia.Russia.Irag.Syria. The list is nearly endless.

    Go. Take care.

     
  • cdanative33 posted at 12:39 pm on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    cdanative33 Posts: 354

    I think that what is becoming apparent is that the majority of Americans have become weary of ideological partisanship and are looking for people that are willing to work the problem. I hope that trend will spread to our neck of the woods.

     
  • max power posted at 12:02 pm on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    max power Posts: 559

    *** DogeatDoggie ***

    It's always interesting reading the comments of someone/something that posts under the username of DogeatDog. I not only get to enjoy someone/something that writes on the eighth grade level, but I suspect reads at the eighth grade level at well...

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 12:01 pm on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "The grand ol' party is not going away anytime soon and those that suggest its "demise" only have to wait one election cycle to see how "political reality" today may be different from "political reality" tomorrow."

    Flash back, four years ago?

    Wake up and fix yourself GOP. Take some time to get know "All" of America and come back stronger. And while you're at it, drop the goofy special interest groups (religion, gun nuts, anti-gay haters, women controllers, etc) and put all of your energy into making this country a better place to live.

     
  • Flash Gordon posted at 10:58 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    Flash Gordon Posts: 1186

    The grand ol' party is not going away anytime soon and those that suggest its "demise" only have to wait one election cycle to see how "political reality" today may be different from "political reality" tomorrow.

    Idaho is the quintessential red state yet, and I've heard this often, all politics is "local". There is nothing to change in Idaho politics that would make this state any more republican than it is. At the national level, however, Idahoans will continue to be disappointed in national presidential election results unless the republicans can attract a more widely acceptable candidate....

     
  • Triumph posted at 10:46 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    Triumph Posts: 539

    Dog you arent a nice person are you? I'm not liberal, or a democrat, but I know that my left leaning friends would not appreciate you representing in that way. Yes, a couple million more voted for the president than did Romney. That's the way the system works and you win!! Congrats! We as a nation are in for very serious consiquences for our actions. The re-election of the president will be a sore regret for this country in a very short period of time.

     
  • Cody Wiench posted at 10:37 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    Cody Wiench Posts: 348

    Goodbye, GOP. It's been real.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 9:49 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "The problem isn't the Republican Party, at all. The issue is America"

    That's problem with Republicans. When they lose, they blame America for the loss. Americans are stupid or immoral, that's why they say they lost.

    Maybe, could it be, that they lost because they themselves have issues that need to worked out? And may I suggest that taking responsibility for their own actions is one of those issues.

     
  • DogeatDog posted at 9:43 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    DogeatDog Posts: 59

    Like I said, Denials and Jesusisfarfromyourlight, GET OVER IT ALREADY! WAAAAAAAAGH I want my mommy (but she prolly doesn't want you).

    R$ LOST, and so did you! SORE, POOR LOSERS! If you don't like IT, MOVE ALREADY. Problem is, you're already living in a most-backward red state. And there isn't a civilized country in the world that would welcome you, either.

    Somalia would be happy to have you, though. GO AWAY ALREADY. The American People have spoken, and they don't speak your language anymore. You righties got your tighty whities in a knot wrapped around your gourds cutting off your oxygen supply, and I just think it's AWESOME!

    Bwahahahahahahahahahahhaaaahhhaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     
  • Keven Johnson posted at 9:40 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    Keven Johnson Posts: 1253

    The republican party lost the presidential election because they nominated a virtual carbon copy of Obama.

    To be relevant, the republican party needs to nominate candidates who promote - - and actually believe in - - individual liberty (and responsibility), true fiscal responsibility (actually cut federal spending, not just slow the increase), and a sane foreign policy of trade and cooperation, rather than bullying and intimidation. One who understands the importance of a strong military, and understands that military should only be used to defend these united States, not for pre-emptive wars that benefit political contributors. One who understands why we need sound money, not valueless paper that can be created at will, thus robbing hard working Americans of their life savings.
    The republican party had the chance in 2012 to truly change the direction of our republic for the better, and they squandered it because the truth made many of them uncomfortable. There are lessons for the republican party in the absolutely predictable national election results. The question is, will they listen this time?

     
  • DeNiles posted at 8:58 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    The country has decided it wants to trial a socialistic form of democracy. Can Obama make it work? Could anyone workably force fit this ideology into how America is set up to operate? How radical will Obama stoop in demanding his accommodations?

    America set out on this course the moment the gov't reduced the creditworthiness and income thresholds needed to buy homes to barely-alive. That loaded this cannon, primed and lit the fuse. As for this election Romney was too nice and Obama was his usual 2 faced, uncivil self. It was Chicago street thug politics versus a choir boy. Romney called for people to think at the polls and Obama called for radicals to vote with a vengeance.

     
  • JesusIsTheLight posted at 8:53 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    JesusIsTheLight Posts: 572

    The demograhics in this great nation have shifted---Oh and I wonder why the Democratic Party is soooooo enthusiastic about illegal immigrants....hmmm could it be because they are different demographic more willing to vote for collectivism and LESS EDUCATED? LESS PATRIOTIC?

    Stalin did EXACTLY the same thing.

     
  • JesusIsTheLight posted at 8:52 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    JesusIsTheLight Posts: 572

    Ask someone who voted for Obama to take a citizenship test and see if they can pass.
    Ask someone who voted for Obama on their thoughts on Benghazi and the Arab Spring.
    Ask someone who voted for Obama the major differences between Romney and Obama's platforms.
    Aks someone who voted for Obama the three branches of government.

    I'm willing to bet they don't pass nor can they give you a clear, concise and informed answer. Mahiun, present company excluded. You have a brain. As misguided as it might be, there is a brain up there.

    How long Dear Lord.....how long?

     
  • CaiusCosades posted at 8:35 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    CaiusCosades Posts: 378

    I think you said it perfectly. Idaho republicans want to live in their isolated bliss where they are free to exclude all that don't fit into the narrow parameters that makes up the Idaho Republican Party, ie: Christian, white, pro life, pro small town, pro rural country living, pro fear of government and the outside world, anti- gay.

    You all have set up sort of a Republican Zion in Idaho. This is all well and great, but don't expect to run the country as the vast majority of other people don't fit into those categories.

    The one size fits all approach of Republicans doesn't work that great when the one size is extra extra small.

     
  • DogeatDog posted at 8:32 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    DogeatDog Posts: 59

    What bothers me is Barack Obama was not supposed to win," he said.

    Yeah, b/c he isn't a lily white angry old man, like the vast majority of the republican base. Like JoeDatHo below, and Max Flower, and that dumber-than-dumb Inclined (towards hyperbole). Ho and his ignorant rants about 'victims' and 'communists.'

    Get over it, SORE LOSERS. The demograhics in this great nation have shifted, along with the political winds. If the rethuglican party doesn't embrace that, then they deservve to go the way of the horse and carriage. Personally, it can't happen fast enough.

    In the meantime, I'm gonna get off early today and quaff a few pints with my combat veteran buddies, ALL of whom voted not for R$, but for what's best for the entire nation. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

     
  • 986crazy posted at 8:32 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    986crazy Posts: 384

    CaiusCosades: Well said. I didn't leave the Republican Party, it left me.

     
  • CaiusCosades posted at 8:13 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    CaiusCosades Posts: 378

    I think a good first step for the right is to be less radical, less extremist, less alarmist. If you join the right, it's almost like joining a cult nowadays. They persecute even their own side if they show the slightest forms of moderation, demanding extremist views.

    The way some of the below posters talk, sounds eerily like folks that would turn into the next Tim McVeigh or David Koresh.

     
  • Flash Gordon posted at 8:12 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    Flash Gordon Posts: 1186

    Why should Idaho republicans change ? People are attracted to Idaho for a number of reasons one of which is the political climate. When their is migration to Idaho has a "political purpose" it's very apparent the national republican brand is not that important to those that come here for that very reason.

    National republican leaders and our local Jeff Ward suggest republicans need to reach out to various demographic elements, to be more....inclusive, however, Idaho is very attractive to a lot of those in here and throughout the state precisely because of Idaho's demographics and it's "insulation" from "them".

    Jeff Ward's admonition is falling on deaf brains.....

    All this bodes well for the opposing political party throughout certain regions of the country and will help insure another political loss at the national level for republicans in 2016.....

     
  • cdanative33 posted at 8:01 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    cdanative33 Posts: 354

    I love the logic here...the longer people go to school and the more they learn and understand, the less they buy into right wing ideology, so we need to take over the schools so we can make sure that they are only learning the things that will allow them to accept our ideology. I'm sure that is exactly what our founding fathers had in mind.

     
  • max power posted at 7:59 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    max power Posts: 559

    *** The Elephant In The Room Is The Hispanic Vote ***

    A problem that is not easy to solve. America prides itself in being a Nation of laws. There are plenty of immigration laws but an unwillingness to enforce them. Both parties are are guilty. George Bush was guilty for not enforcing the laws during his two terms. He wanted an endless supply of cheap labor for his corporate masters. Likewise we don't see Obama enforcing them either. Anyone for E-Verify? The Democrats under Obama see this illegal alien population as undocumented Democrat voters and are eager to hand out the Amnesty Candy. The illegal alien Mexican Nationals already here know it. They want that pathway to citizenship and see Obama and the Democrats as enablers. When the Republicans talk about deportation and border enforcement it makes Hispanics (legal and illegal ) feel like they don't contribute anything to America.

    What's never discussed is that if the illegals already here do get amnesty they will then be eligible for Obamacare when they become citizens. This will drive up the healthcare costs because they were never figured in by the original CBO estimates. Democrats try and downplay those costs by pointing to emergency room costs already being paid by the taxpayers. They also like to fudge the number of illegals at about 12 million. That's the estimate back in 2000. It's 2012 and while some may have self deported there are just as many still coming in. Depending on what sources one believes I think the number is closer to 30 million. We shall see...

     
  • ancientemplar posted at 7:20 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    ancientemplar Posts: 1122

    I think Jeff Ward must be smokin' something. The reason the GOP lost the election is that it put up a Massachusetts moderate rather than a truly conservative candidate that could clearly espouse true American values. IMO

     
  • Mahiun posted at 6:55 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    Mahiun Posts: 4792

    Then you'd better leave RIGHT NOW, Joey --- while you still can! We'll help you!

     
  • pubcrawler posted at 6:50 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    pubcrawler Posts: 78

    Um. Maybe it's just as simple as more people who voted nationwide disagree with your world view than agree with it. The Idaho GOP is collectively pretty far out there and has handcrafted a state that fits right in with Louisiana and Mississippi in terms of personal income and education. Not really a role model for prosperity.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:21 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Excellent post, Inclined.
    The problem isn't the Republican Party, at all.
    The issue is America; where you now have more "takers" than "makers". The left/communists etc consistently use politics to manufacture more "Takers" to enable their ability to be elected and reeelected.

    America is now a big Detroit, where everyone's a "victim", and everyone votes only for the hand that feeds them, and NOBODY cares about America itself.
    America is now a Banana Republic, using borrowed money to make each day pass; and sooner than later that money will dry up, when it does, all of you communists can own the situation that you created.
    Take a look at Detroit, it is the future of America, on display. Intense corruption, kids without schoolbooks, no businesses left, empty buildings and freeways, and they voted "Democrat" all the way there.

     
  • voxpop posted at 5:02 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    voxpop Posts: 738

    To go off on a banana republic dictator styled tear, at a little after 4am, has to point to some kind of mental health issue.

     
  • inclined posted at 4:20 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    inclined Posts: 682

    It is missed, not only in the whole of the land, but among friends and neighbors locally, and in churches, and Synagogues: the world's most dynamic religion has been neither Christianity nor Islam. It is Statism, or Leftism. It should be obvious, rather then a troubling ambiguity, that the religion of Judaism should have been the greatest signpost for the Western world. Their chosen blindness to the God who was Emanuel, has affected the church. Consequently most Christians, let alone those otherwise, do not recognize what is probably the single most important fact of modern life.

    This religion is overwhelming mystical, rather than merely secular. it is inherently opposed to all traditional religions, and therefore people do not regard it as a religion. So it is in our face, and has been for, say one hundred years. Leftism so convincingly portrays itself as solely the product of reason, intellect, and science that it has not been seen as the dogma-based ideology that it is. Therefore, the vast majority of the people who affirm leftist beliefs think of their views as the only way to properly think about life. The Unions are like a sub sect, for one. They are fanatics. They love their god and see their attachment and devotion as clearly as any movement of traditional religion.

    Think about it, how they act, when anyone who opposes leftism is labeled anti-intellectual, anti-progress, anti-science, anti-minority and anti-reason (among many other pejorative epithets): leftists truly believe that there is no other way to think.

    Truth and devotion to the God who is there, is antiquated, and more, base and despised. The Islamic doctrine of "creative lying", was learned from them. If you would estimate 20% of Americans are atheist, and 40% more, include people calling themselves one thing or the other religion, it would still not measure up to their true face and numbers.

    They say to those opposed to their drumbeat, that we are fear-mongers. We are extremist. We are the dumb, the stupid still sucking on the tits of opiate serving breast. Well Israel has lasted these thousands of years, chased and trampled, but ever bold and arrogant. But, strangely there is a remnant that drinks from another well. While most are the saddest samples of the progressive Left, there are those who hold to an orthodoxy and suffer for their link to ancient text. They, like the false religion of Islam, will give their last breath, believing that what they know is the worlds only hope.

    But Leftism is even more appealing to the nature of mankind to want and need God. They only prove out that man, as god, is closest to pure religion when he defines it, and writes the ticket. He is in the process of writing that ticket for the West. And how has it gone for the rest of the world?

    It dominates the thinking of Europe, much of Latin America, Canada, and Asia, as well as the thinking of the political and intellectual elites of most of the world. Outside of the Muslim world, it is virtually the only way in which news is reported and virtually the only way in which young people are educated from elementary school through university.

    Those trying to figure out where we are, are part of the problem really. Go back to the why and how we begun as a nation. It does seem awfully late though. I will tell you, fear God actually.

     
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