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Mayor's family pulls accounts from store supporting recall

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Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:00 am

COEUR d'ALENE - Family of Mayor Sandi Bloem closed a pair of accounts at Sherman Hardware this week, after the store's owner allowed recall supporters to seek signatures to oust the mayor and three city council members.

The decision was a personal one, family members said, and not part of an orchestrated retaliation against store owner John Montandon.

Montandon, who has owned the hardware store at 1010 Sherman Ave. for 24 years, said he has been "dodging bullets" from upset citizens after he let RecallCdA supporters - the group organizing the petition drive - use his parking lot to gather signatures.

"And I think I've got hit several times," Montandon said Wednesday.

He said he has received between 15 and 25 phone calls from upset people since petitioners started using his lot on Sunday, but the only two accounts he closed on Monday were from the Sports Cellar and Lillian Wilkens Interior.

Both businesses are tied to Bloem's family.

"Business wise, it was not a smart move," Montandon said of allowing fellow recall supporters to set up shop in front of his store. "But it might backfire."

Bloem and Greg Crimp - owner of the Sports Cellar for 30 years - said paying off the accounts was nothing more than a family decision.

Crimp, Bloem's brother, spoke on behalf of the family Wednesday.

"People are taking shots at my family and when people take shots at your family, you usually take it personally," he said. "And the same people waving people into his parking lot are the same people taking shots at my family. And I think it would be very difficult not to take it personally."

He said he likely would have decided otherwise had the hardware store simply allowed static signs, rather than permit petitioners to wave signs from the sidewalks.

Lillian Wilkens Interior, owned by Bloem's ex-husband's wife, sits directly across from the hardware store. Petitioners waved signs in front of the interior store on Monday, directing traffic to the hardware store.

"If it were a lesser stance, if it were just taking a side with a sign in the window or taking a side with a political sign in the window, I don't think it probably would have happened," Crimp said.

Lillian Wilkens Interior could not be reached for comment Wednesday afternoon.

Petitioners Sharon Culbreth and Rep. Kathy Sims said Wednesday they were aware that the business was tied to Bloem, but that they didn't stand outside it to send a message. Instead, they said, it was just a visual advantage for petitioners trying to reach both directions of traffic.

They said police came out to them Monday after the owner called, and they moved up the sidewalk away from the front of the business.

"We're not trying to cause trouble," Culbreth said. "We just want signatures."

The recall effort against Bloem and City Council members Mike Kennedy, Woody McEvers and Deanna Goodlander has been a politically divisive topic in the community since it was launched in early April. It came on the heels of the incumbents' vote to support moving forward with the $14.2 million Phase I of the McEuen Field redevelopment plan. Signs in yards and storefronts are hanging around town either in support of the recall or urging people to "Decline to Sign."

The divide widened this week after some downtown business owners who display "Decline to Sign" signs at their stores began receiving a postcard addressed to them, mocking their stance. The postcard, mailed from Spokane without a sender's name, calls the store owners "servants to the glorious Visionaries!"

It tells them to hang the front side of the postcard as a sign, stating: "Voters not welcome here. Take your democracy elsewhere. $top the Recall."

Frank Orzell, RecallCdA organizer, and Culbreth said they don't know who sent the postcards.

Also Wednesday, recall petitioner Tom Kane said his yard was covered with 12 anti-recall signs. Kane uses his yard, on the 700 block of Third Street and covered with several recall signs, as a place to gather signatures.

"There is a divide, and it's sad," Kane said. "I really mean that when I say my biggest (emotion) is sadness."

Sara Meyer, organizer of the anti-recall group, said it wasn't her group which put the signs in Kane's yard, but she apologized to Kane anyway. Kane notified police but is not seeking an investigation.

"This is not something we condone," Meyer said. "It's trespassing and it's not right."

Meanwhile, recall petitioners were back outside Montandon's hardware store Wednesday.

Montandon told The Press he had spoken earlier in the week with Erika Grubar - Bloem's daughter, also tied to the Sports Cellar - who told him that his decision to allow petitioning would hurt him financially. But Crimp denied any orchestrated plot and said the decision to close the hardware accounts wasn't meant as an intimidation tactic, and that he didn't expect the small accounts they did have would harm the store financially.

"I have a choice to shop where I want to shop," he said. "I'm not saying I'm going to stop others from shopping there."

The city of Coeur d'Alene has several accounts with Montandon's hardware store, as does the Downtown Association, neither of which have canceled them. City Administrator Wendy Gabriel said she has not directed the closure of any city accounts based upon a business's position on the recall.

The Sports Cellar, meanwhile, was one of the businesses that received the mocking postcard.

"I hear all the time 'this is bad for the community,'" Crimp added. "I think I have given up on the word 'community,' frankly. I don't think community defines the town as it's divided at this point in time."

Editor's note: This story has been updated to reflect several corrections.

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126 comments:

  • Always Curious posted at 6:54 am on Sun, May 13, 2012.

    Always Curious Posts: 517


    Out of curiosity I briefly stopped by the recall office yesterday to see if Ms. Souza really did have two heads and breathes fire, all the while planning world domination starting here in small town, city by the lake, CDA. Unfortunately she wasn't there so all of the colorful descriptions I've read on Olivera's HO still remain unsubstantiated.

    Really didn't see any minions or a mob either, just average citizens of CDA that seemed capable of thinking about such complex issues as a park and URDs. Maybe they were rarities but I really don't think so. Most people know right from wrong and would rather have representatives than leaders.

    Continuing our tour we drove around to see the plethora of decline signs while also driving by the park and watching the many families and individuals enjoying the blighted area.

    The absence of decline signs in the residential neighborhoods was noticeable, more recall ones than not, the downtown area was the most concentrated with decline signs for obvious reasons.

    Needing a few items we then went by Sherman Hardware. The parking lot had a few cars in it and members of both groups/sides of the recall. Picking up a few items needed around the house with Spring to enjoy, we bought another hummingbird feeder, car wash mitt and a nice heavy duty sprinkler. Mr. Montandon commented on it's durability, "You can run over it with your car and it will still work." It is a heavy thing.

    Anyway, while there a number of people also stopped by, a couple of them, like myself, not CDA residents (sorry Rathdrum hardware).

    We were there to expressly show support to Mr. Montadon's display of true American spirit; that all are created equal and that the laws of our land are for everyone. And also in the true American “tradition”, that our money is just as good as others no matter how many generations it took to earn it.

    I forgot to ask if Mr. Montadon is a veteran, I wouldn't be surprised.

     
  • gracious few posted at 11:48 am on Sat, May 12, 2012.

    gracious few Posts: 286

    Montandon told The Press he had spoken earlier in the week with Erika Grubar - Bloem's daughter, also tied to the Sports Cellar - who told him that his decision to allow petitioning would hurt him financially. "

    SO it is the whole family that threatens retaliation ... The "wonderful" Mayor HA HA.

    threatened my former husband, when he was challenging her to a debate, she wouldn't answer a direct question, or couldn't,! when she told him, they have his picture, know who he is and will be watching him........... And Humanist thinks she is doing a good job, taking CDA in the right direction, let me tell you something Humanist, putting in fountains, paint, pretty flowers ISN'T making CDA better........... Not to mention lets move the American Legion field to a spot where there is NO parking and in a residential neighborhood. lets take all of those people away from the lake and down town where they might just support local business down town... Do you people have any idea how to increase revenue for the struggling businesses down town. and for the people that live here 12 months out of the year? I think not as far as I can see nothing has been done to move this city forward..

    as far as the Sports Cellar good lord they are so over priced it isn't even funny...
    What are you so afraid of if someone lets petitions be signed in a parking lot? If you are so sure they will never get enough signatures what is the big deal? The big deal they know the signatures are coming in....

     
  • justinian posted at 10:54 am on Sat, May 12, 2012.

    justinian Posts: 318

    "There's a pretty clear distinction between the loud comments and the rational comments."

    Indeed there are Humanist, indeed there are. Yours may not fit into the category you think though.

    Just my opinion. Just

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 6:11 am on Sat, May 12, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    Humanist,

    No attorney will touch a case against the GOB's for the SAME fear of retribution. It goes a LOT deeper than you think and has been that way for some time. "Toe the line or else........" There are a LOT of us that have found this out the hard way but with each one, a brick has been removed from the wall. We have numbers now BECAUSE of the persistence of those that FELL, and yes I mean fell, before us. Business boycotts, defamation, discredit, slander, etc. If you don't play, you will pay. Time for the FAB4 to GO no matter WHAT good think they may have done. It is all moot if one has to hurt another to succeed.

    Just my opinion.

     
  • RadRev2D posted at 1:39 am on Sat, May 12, 2012.

    RadRev2D Posts: 372

    curious Humanist...

    Is your international corporation aligned with Agenda 21?

    retribution is definite when GOBs are crossed!

     
  • Rationale posted at 9:08 pm on Fri, May 11, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Humanist,

    You are wrong about attorneys taking this on a contingency. It's a "he said, she said" scenario, and unless there is written or physical evidence, no attorney would touch bullying/nepotism with a 100 foot pole.

    And I'm pretty sure the current admin is smart enough to not leave any tracks.

     
  • Humanist posted at 6:03 pm on Fri, May 11, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    Quote LTRLTR: "I had a good laugh when I saw the number of comments you have made."

    Quantity does not equate to loudness, LTRLTR. There's a pretty clear distinction between the loud comments and the rational comments.

    You have a great weekend yourself.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 5:47 pm on Fri, May 11, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Humanist said "It's pretty darn clear which side is yelling the loudest on these comments".

    I had a good laugh when I saw the number of comments you have made. Have a great weekend!

     
  • Humanist posted at 5:10 pm on Fri, May 11, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    @CCLavin: I really wouldn't expect you to believe me. That's fine.

    And my personal spin on my position here: to be an often lone voice of reason amongst the sea of loud voices that advocate conflict and divisiveness. It's pretty darn clear which side is yelling the loudest on these comments and which side tends to be calmly talking.

    As to the signature numbers, time will tell.

     
  • CClavin posted at 3:44 pm on Fri, May 11, 2012.

    CClavin Posts: 221

    Humanist: O.K. if you say so (wink-wink). Here is a quote for you, please feeo free to share it with Sandy & Company. "The loudest voices we hear are those who advocate conflict, divisiveness."

    Now I fully expect you to Spin it around and say "What about Mary Souza". My guess the number is well over 3,800 who has signed the recall, it could be closer to 4,000. Guess what,.........It is going to a vote of the people.

     
  • Humanist posted at 3:21 pm on Fri, May 11, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    @LTRTR: I'm well aware of the term bullying. That is not what is happening here and the pro-recall side are blowing it way out of proportion.

    It's pretty funny how you guys will glom on to this perceived bullying while the plain-as-day bullying postcards sent to local businesses displaying anti-recall messages get little or no comment from your side. Hmmm.

    LTRTR, if Bloems daughter did indeed make that kind of comment then I agree that was uncalled for. But they had every right to remove their account from his business considering that he was directly attacking her mother. I would have done the same thing. And so would any reasonable person.

     
  • Humanist posted at 3:15 pm on Fri, May 11, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    Quote CClavin: "Spin it how you want Humanist & Meesterbox your guys are Insiders with direct connections. "

    I will state this, FOR THE RECORD, (and again, might I add), I do not work for the City or the County. I have no contractual relationships with either, I am not related to anyone in office or who works at either entity, I do not work for or own a local business although my wife does have a small home-based business. I work for a large international company that has no office in this region.

    I have nothing to gain or lose monetarily from any of this. I am simply a concerned citizen who feels that the mayor and the three council members that are subject to the recall attempt have done a good job and are taking our community in a positive direction that I agree with this. As a family in this community, that is more than enough reason to fight for what I feel is right.

     
  • CClavin posted at 3:04 pm on Fri, May 11, 2012.

    CClavin Posts: 221

    No sense in arguing with the Humanist because they are an "Insider" who is tied to Bloem & Company.
    Spin it how you want Humanist & Meesterbox your guys are Insiders with direct connections.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 2:36 pm on Fri, May 11, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Humanist: I do not have a case because the intimadation acts were not directed at myself. I had to remain silent unless I wanted to join the soup lines at that time in my life.

    This is for you Humanist:

    Synonym Discussion of INTIMIDATE

    intimidate, cow, bulldoze, bully, browbeat mean to frighten into submission. intimidate implies inducing fear or a sense of inferiority into another . cow implies reduction to a state where the spirit is broken or all courage is lost . bulldoze implies an intimidating or an overcoming of resistance usually by urgings, demands, or threats . bully implies intimidation through threats, insults, or aggressive behavior . browbeat implies a cowing through arrogant, scornful, or contemptuous treatment .

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 2:23 pm on Fri, May 11, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    ""He said he has received between 15 and 25 phone calls from upset people since petitioners started using his lot on Sunday, but the only two accounts he closed on Monday were from the Sports Cellar and Lillian Wilkens Interior"

    "Montandon told The Press he had spoken earlier in the week with Erika Grubar - Bloem's daughter, also tied to the Sports Cellar - who told him that his decision to allow petitioning would hurt him financially. "

    Sounds like the Bloem and Crimp Family members have declared war and those who help protect our freedoms.

     
  • Humanist posted at 2:22 pm on Fri, May 11, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    Quote LTRLTR: "I have witnessed on several occasions that these activities are very real."

    Well, then you have a case. Any attorney who also thinks you have a case will take it on a contingency basis so the expense is not an issue.

    But since there is nothing more than personal anecdotes and heresy, this sounds more like a case of conspiracy theories and paranoia.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 2:07 pm on Fri, May 11, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Humanist:

    Discrimination, threats, intimidation is very difficult to prove and a lawsuit very expensive. I have witnessed on several occasions that these activities are very real. My fear is not for myself but my family members and their well being in this community. No joke.

    Railroading a business, asking code enforcement to look for violations, having police do drive by's, threatening by telephone, and attempts to ruin someone's reputation and/or career is un-American.

    As far as boycotting businesses, that is so immature.

     
  • Humanist posted at 1:02 pm on Fri, May 11, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    Quote chouli: "There are people I know who have fear to sign the recall petition"

    And if there are discriminatory practices, retaliation or favoritism exhibited by a City government when choosing constactors then that is obviously illegal. And we have laws and a legal system to address those issues. So where are the lawsuits?

     
  • chouli posted at 12:44 pm on Fri, May 11, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1294

    humanist, I've learned that it goes much deeper than family members closing accounts at ACE. There are people I know who have fear to sign the recall petition for fear of the retaliation by the City. Husbands that get work from city contracts, etc. They fear retaliation because it happens. That's wrong. The mayor should not hold political beliefs against contractors who do work for the city.

     
  • gracious few posted at 11:21 am on Fri, May 11, 2012.

    gracious few Posts: 286

    ever notice that all of the "against" the Recall group are the ones acting like children? and Humanist Bloem does throw tantrums!!!!! If you don't follow her, she will tell you we know who you are and are watching you.....WHAT THE HECK IS THAT IMPLYING ?

    Nice way to support local business to, pull your accounts, two more will take your place, Don't buy a Honda at Cda Honda, even though Ms. Simms no longer runs the dealership........

    Pathetic is what it is....This Mayor and her Council are arrogant and when they don't get their own way and are afraid, YES AFRAID that the will be recalled, that is why they are acting like this.....

    When you are in public service you better have a tough skin

     
  • Rationale posted at 11:19 am on Fri, May 11, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Humanist,

    Great, I will answer your question:

    If my family member is lying, no, I would not close the accounts. If they are bullying, I would not close the accounts. If they were being honest, I would most definitely defend them! Thanks for asking...

    I have 2 sisters, both of whom are liars and manipulators. I haven't spoken to them in 5 years because they just can't seem to tell the truth, and I'm teaching my kids that honesty and integrity are two of the most important traits in life.

    Your question implies you will support your family no matter what they do, and that is sad. If they were pedophiles, would you still support them? If they were murderers, would you still support them?

    You need to draw a line somewhere. I choose to draw it at lying...I'd rather not wait til they graduate to something much worse!

     
  • Humanist posted at 10:38 am on Fri, May 11, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    Statements like "Bloem temper tantrum opens the eyes of our community." are sort of a joke in the context of what actually happened. Everyone needs to objectively ask themselves this question: if it was a member of your family who you love and support who was subject to a recall attempt and a local business that you have an account with outwardly supported the recall by allowing recall signatures to be gathered on their premises, would you close any accounts that you might have with them?

    Again, ask yourself that question honestly.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 10:26 am on Fri, May 11, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    People are asking "what is this recall all about"? They are becoming curious and are beginning to take an interest in local politics.

    Thank you Cda. Press for publishing a story about the Bloem Family. I have been aware of the strong-armed city hall staff for several years and hoping the Bloem temper tantrum opens the eyes of our community. Intimidation is real. Threats are real. This press article is just a sample.

    I would hope that future leadership would set a higher standard of behavior for our community.

     
  • CClavin posted at 9:53 am on Fri, May 11, 2012.

    CClavin Posts: 221

    CDA Boy, I agree with you on some of your post. People will forget about Hudson's, the Hareware Store, and other businesses not tied to the mayor like the Sports Cellar, Caddy Shack, and Lilly Wilkins. Those stores people won't forget. Oh by the way you must have been mistaken on the Sports Cellar prices they are sky high. You can do better at other area stores or on line.

     
  • Humanist posted at 9:45 am on Fri, May 11, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    Quote NoName: "People will remember, this is a small town."

    People on both sides will remember and act accordingly but the net effect will be zero. It's all pretty silly when looked at that way, isn't it?

     
  • NoName posted at 9:34 am on Fri, May 11, 2012.

    NoName Posts: 253

    CDA_BOY, your first CDA Press post was wrong. People will remember, this is a small town.

     
  • cda_boy posted at 8:29 am on Fri, May 11, 2012.

    cda_boy Posts: 30

    I've been sitting back and reading these 'opinion' rants for quite some time now. I am truely glad they call this the Opinon area, because in my opinion, you're all idiots. "I'm boycotting this store, I'm never going to eat there again, I'm never going to buy a car from there........." on and on and on. Once this whole load of bs that is dividing this community is over, you're still going to go to Caddy Shack because it's fun there and they have great food, you're still going to shop at Sherman Hardware because it's convienient, you'll still buy your kids letter jackets at Sports Cellar because they have great prices. There might be the few who are 'loyal' to their word but you're not going to make a dent in their pocket book by boycotting them, you're just going to look like a bigger idiot pushing your agenda on others after this is all over. Personally, I can't wait until this is over and shut you all up! And that's MY opinion!

     
  • Brent Regan posted at 7:42 am on Fri, May 11, 2012.

    Brent Regan Posts: 736

    “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” Evelyn Beatrice Hall

    John Montandon is a patriot. His actions reinforce all our freedoms. Those that seek to punish him should be ashamed, although their tactics do seem a little impotent:

    “Bloem and Greg Crimp - said paying off the accounts was nothing more than a family decision.”

    We don’t like your politics so we are giving you the money we owe you. That will teach him!

     
  • LONEWOLFMP posted at 7:10 am on Fri, May 11, 2012.

    LONEWOLFMP Posts: 46

    Just wanted to be the 100th post...

    Not sure about this "Cash Mob" thing though... If anything I think they should mob the hardware store...not to sign the recall...but just to show that people are not against going to a business just because they support/or not support the recall...

     
  • NoName posted at 6:37 am on Fri, May 11, 2012.

    NoName Posts: 253

    Randy Myers is SPOT ON!!!! Who'd a thunk it? Randy, your thoughts on topic are fantastic!!! Keep it up!

    Recall the Queen and her minions!!!

     
  • Mary Souza posted at 11:18 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Mary Souza Posts: 813

    Well said, IAMWOMAN, your clear common sense and courage are showing!

     
  • kimknerl posted at 9:54 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    kimknerl Posts: 286

    @ Randy,
    Well put on the “cash mob” event. Isn’t that the truth?

    I can’t believe the Decline queens are going to bring their tacky political efforts into another non-related downtown event like the art walk. Come on girls! Organize your events in your own time and space and stay out of other planned community happenings.

     
  • IAMWOMAN posted at 9:43 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    IAMWOMAN Posts: 56

    Thanks to the press for printing this article. I found it personally motivating. After I left my office today, I went down to Sherman Hardware and signed four petitions. I didn't vote for those people before. They have never represented me, and I don't mind them leaving office before their term is up. I also don't mind these temporary appointments in their place, should it come to that, because the next election is just around the corner, so to speak. I am excited by the prospect of new candidates that are concerned about more than the downtown corridor (where I happen to live) and their personal economic gains via their political acitivities. I am for the recall because the citizens of CDA should have the vote on this park expenditure, whether the cost is $14 million, or $40 million, or somewhere in between.

     
  • RadRev2D posted at 9:11 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    RadRev2D Posts: 372

    Look beyond the McEuen Debacle!
    City Services and staffing have suffered as the budget was tightened.
    In the meanwhile, MayorB broke open her enriching cookiejar and broke her promises to We the People.

    Those of you living in minor McMansions need to be concerned - you will pay the bulk of city taxes.
    Those who live in downtown condos should be absolutely ASHAMED!

    PEOPLE...DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE!
    visit: http://www.co.kootenai.id.us/departments/mapping/mapSearch/

    Check out the assessed values of the anti-Recall party.
    Those around the golf course are smiling in the shade.
    Parkside and McEuen Terraces are scarcely taxed on land value.

    Why was my request for an assessment audit dismissed.
    Why did the LCDC and the Library pay twice the assessed value for an acre?
    Why is a conference room in the library named after the beneficiary?
    What level of wealth was gained in the sale of land for a vulgar ball diamond?

    Depending on the outcome and Fall elections, Coeur d'Alene will either be a mecca for rich or a haven for the generations who built Coeur d'Alene and their children and grandchildren.

    A friend is recovering from surgery tonight after giving his vitality to sustain CDA's lumber mills.
    His supervisor position was ripped from him within a couple years of retirement.
    Industry and good paying jobs for Locals are antagonistic to MayorB's gentrification plans

    to be fare, MayorB is simply an expensive mouthpiece.

    1400 additional atypical dwelling units downtown and limited access for YOU!

     
  • straight up posted at 8:57 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    straight up Posts: 965

    "My comment: " Maybe it’s just me but this seems literally symbolic of why the recall started in the first place. A “cash mob.”

    Spot on Randy.

    And of course the "cash mob" is led by the trust fund babies of the connected, rich and famous of CDA.

    If mom and dad lose their Bloemin' Connections then the trust-funders might have to make do with less moola in their allowances.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 6:50 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    Timeless,

    Your case will be rested with the RECALL.

     
  • Mary Souza posted at 6:14 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Mary Souza Posts: 813

    NO ONE at Recall CdA knows anything about the postcard discussed in this article.

     
  • Timeless posted at 5:56 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    Concerned: I rest my case.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 5:46 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    Timeless,

    That is why we quit arguing with you. ;-)

     
  • Timeless posted at 5:20 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    Arguing with idiots, makes me an idiot.

    I'm done with all of this.. I'm going to attend the flash mob tomorrow ( 3-5 pm) and spend some $ at Tiffany blue and Sports Cellar. Then I am gong to Barrel 6. CHEERS!

     
  • rebmem posted at 5:08 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    rebmem Posts: 101

    Visited Mr. Montandon today for my hardware purchase this afternoon. In my less than 10 minutes there, there were people signing as I pulled in and more signing as I pulled out. As i entered another customer was on his way out and expressing his support to Mr. M. As I was checking out a couple came in and again expressed their support for him. This is going to happen and there aint nothing you can do about i.

     
  • chouli posted at 4:15 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1294

    maybe you can "facepalm" a little bit harder and it will get through to you.

     
  • Humanist posted at 4:07 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    Quote DeNiles: "If any of these leaders do get recalled (by vote) then we will have some interim leadership appointed. But, the juggernaut of unnecessary and extravagant spendthrift plans will be derailed. That is the real goal of the recall."

    So, according to the recall folks here, it's totally cool that any replacements would be appointed rather than by VOTE. Being that it's for a good cause and the right reasons and all.

    Another facepalm.

     
  • bionic man posted at 3:54 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    bionic man Posts: 347

    Love reading all the comments and personal attacks back and forth. Seems the " Recall effort" has gone way beyond it's original intention. And "no," I won't go into the personal attacks, just rather stick to the facts. I'm voting for the recall, period. Our elected "4" have not done their job they were elected for, therefore, my vote "YES" for the recall.

     
  • Always Curious posted at 3:53 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Always Curious Posts: 517

    @humanist .... " Gotta love how that one is being rationalized."

    Same concept as the appointments to LCDC and you seem ok with that.

    There is nothing irrational about a recall initiative or the laws of our state and there definitely isn't any requirement to explain or rationalize things to your satisfaction.

    Head shake, head shake, head shake, big sigh.

     
  • Rogue Cop posted at 3:52 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Rogue Cop Posts: 2371

    I, for one, will stop shopping at "Sports Cellar" and will never cross the threshold at "Lillian Wilkens Interior". An organization with whom I'm affiliated "used to" get all of our jerseys etc. from "Sports Cellar". That ends TODAY.

    What's good for the goose is good for the gander, Sandy!

     
  • chouli posted at 3:47 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1294

    removing the entrenched corrupt mayor and her three co-conspirators will be a big step in the right direction.

    on that point alone I have signed the recall petition.

     
  • DeNiles posted at 3:47 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    In a different way people are voting when they choose to sign the recall petition or choose not-to sign it.

    Citizens opting (voting) to allow a recall referendum are choosing to end the terms of certain elected leaders early. Why? Because they feel as though these leaders betrayed their allegiance to the voters for an allegiance to their own designs and outside interests.

    If any of these leaders do get recalled (by vote) then we will have some interim leadership appointed. But, the juggernaut of unnecessary and extravagant spendthrift plans will be derailed. That is the real goal of the recall. That is what brought the issue to this juncture.

     
  • chouli posted at 3:45 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1294

    humanist: how can you continue to say they have done nothing wrong?

    are you trying to convince me or yourself?

     
  • CClavin posted at 3:44 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    CClavin Posts: 221

    Humanist: Don't you have work to do for the City? Well the bullying at City hall will end very soon, the citizens had enough and there is nothing I can do or any of the supports for or against the Recall. It will go to a vote and three or four of them will be kicked out of office. I feel the mayor and select members of the City council failed the citizens Coeur d'Alene not only with McEuen Field, but in several other areas and once they are out you will find out the rest of the problems.

     
  • Humanist posted at 3:19 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    Quote chouli: "recall petition want the opportunity to VOTE on whether to allow the mayor and 3 council members to stay in office or to be replaced"

    and

    "IF the recall succeeds and IF the VOTERS of CDA vote to remove any of the 4 from office, then yes, replacements will be appointed until those positions would be up for re-election (2013). I have no problem with that whatsoever. "

    So, you want a VOTE to kick them out then you're okay with NO VOTE to replace them? What??? Gotta love how that one is being rationalized. And we can guarantee that a large percentage of those signing the recall petition don't understand that and that information is conspicuously missing from recallcda and Mary has personally remained moot on that point. Know why? Cause that might dissuade some people from signing who otherwise would.

    Facepalm.

     
  • Humanist posted at 3:06 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    Quote CClavin: "but that is what bullies do"

    That's such a hypocritical statement that it's almost laughable. Standing up to those who are actually trying to recall a family member who has done nothing wrong is bullying? Way to spin it around. Trying to recall them in the first place in this instance is the absolute epitome of bullying.

     
  • chouli posted at 3:02 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1294

    TBlack, Humanist, Meesterbox, Timeless:
    Your attacks on Mary are telling of your characters. Mary is only ONE person in the recall effort. But anyway…I’ll tell you that the citizens signing the recall petition want the opportunity to VOTE on whether to allow the mayor and 3 council members to stay in office or to be replaced. THAT IS THE VOTE WE WANT! Your spin can stop now…that’s the vote we want.

    IF the recall succeeds and IF the VOTERS of CDA vote to remove any of the 4 from office, then yes, replacements will be appointed until those positions would be up for re-election (2013). I have no problem with that whatsoever. I welcome that! Removing the corruption would be a very welcome change from what we have now. In November 2013 we can all trot to the polls and vote for mayor and council positions.

    The only way to control the LCDC and the run-away spending and the arrogance is to remove the mayor and her head nodding team of 3. The corruption has reached our boiling point and enough is enough.
    Does that answer your question…or are you going to go back to nit-picking on Mary?? LOL

     
  • CClavin posted at 2:46 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    CClavin Posts: 221

    How childish of Crimp & the Bloem Family, but that is what bullies do. The Mayor's step son is the owner or part owner of the Caddy shack, I have seen her Sandiness in there along with Kennedy.

    Sherman Hardware is a new account holder for me. Thanks Mr. Montandon. How silly the mayor just keeps drawing attention to herself. Newsflash that is why there is a RECALL Sandy because of arrogant bullies failing to listen to the people.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 2:16 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Good ideas Randy!

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 2:14 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Geody44, Good comment and common sense. Yes it is a shame. I hope you don't mind if I repost your comments for the kids.

    geody44 posted at 8:54 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.
    "It's a shame that Mayor Bloem and her family has taken to bullying tactics! Trying to purposely do damage to a local business that opposes your political point of view is just wrong. Look what it has started! Now you have people not willing to do business with you! Everyone has a right to sign this petition if they want to. I could care less if you are in favor or against it...I plan to sign it and had not even considered boycotting any business that backed KEEPING the mayor and councilmen. It should not have even been about that. It is hard enough for businesses to keep their doors open without you starting dirty tactics such as this! You should be ashamed! Leave the people and businesses alone that back the recall! Let them gather signatures wherever they want! Let it go to a vote of the people! It is our right as American citizens to collect signatures to recall any political leaders if we are unhappy with their performances as public servants! Let a vote decide, and then we can move on like adults! We are NOT in middle school!!!"

     
  • Always Curious posted at 2:13 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Always Curious Posts: 517

    @ Mr. Meyers ... funny comment on/about HO. That get you banned?

     
  • Always Curious posted at 2:06 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Always Curious Posts: 517

    @LONEWOLFMP .... "those elected officials cannot be petitioned again during their term"

    That is partly right but according to statute, they can be petitioned again if 1.) the petitioners pay the cost of the previous recall ($20,000 estimate) and 2.) have a differnet reason for the recall.

    http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/idstat/Title34/T34CH17SECT34-1713.htm

     
  • Timeless posted at 1:28 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

         
    “A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.”

    When is the groundbreaking for our new and improved McEuen Park? 🌻🍃

     
  • Rationale posted at 1:25 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Humanist,

    Want to avoid being called a liar? Then tell the truth!!!

    "Spin" is simply another word for lying!

    Try telling the truth for once...it's a great feeling knowing you don't have to keep track of your stories to keep them straight!

     
  • northidahonative posted at 1:04 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    northidahonative Posts: 1166

    "No anti-recall person has ever ONCE said they do not want the public to have a vote."

    Actually Tammie, the Recall is all about the "anti-recall" people saying they do not want the public to vote. The public and the Pro Recall people instead of being able to vote on a project that will cost the taxpayers tens of millions on Park "improvements" they don't want, have found a way to get their vote.

    Bloem says they already voted, for her and the puppets, but the law of Idaho gives voters the right to recall elected officials who are not responsive to the public. Why are Bloem and her backers so afraid to allow the public to vote on such a large tax burden for something many find unnecessary and some find harmful?

     
  • I Carry posted at 12:45 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    I Carry Posts: 559

    Oh, let me be clear. I didn't say to stop shopping at certain stores because they don't support the Recall!!! I was careful not to even get close to that. We are free in this country to purchase goods where we like. However, Mr Crimp's timing and connections speak loudly about the fears being shown by the council supporters.
    I honestly feel downtown leaders are scared of how the population will vote behind booth blinds.
    VIVA LE RECALL ya'all.

     
  • Humanist posted at 12:44 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    @Rationale: Post it to a web site so the four can respond. Then post their responses. This is not s suitable venue for you to expect their participation or answers.

    For those interested, Rationale's questions are here: http://www.cdapress.com/news/local_news/article_f0cfe1fe-b4c1-5610-a38c-754a5e9a287e.html#comment-cb704e9c-9ad3-11e1-8a74-637b1617dbbf

    I do have a feeling that no matter their response, his response will be "Liar!"

     
  • Rationale posted at 12:28 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Humanist,

    I answered your request.

    For the record, did you ever think that if you and the other sycophants 1) would stop lying, and 2) actually answered the questions asked instead of acting like slimeball politicians, I would have already had my answers?

    Yet every answer is merely a repeat of the lies.

    Pardon me for trying to stop the rampant lying!

     
  • Humanist posted at 12:15 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    Quote Rationale: "Kinda like how you and the others can't rationalize the lies you spew and your refusal to answer the 3 simple questions."

    You are a broken record (for those old enough to remember those), so I'm re-posting this to you from another thread where you said the exact same thing and have not responded. Your tactic seems to be one of shooting the word "lie" out of a shotgun as if people seeing that enough times will make it true. Anyway, please consider the following.

    What questions would that be Rationale? Since you're posting generalities in multiple threads here, posts get completely buried in no time. How about compiling a list and posting it to a web site? Maybe openCDA? And then allow the 4 to respond to those questions?

     
  • northidahonative posted at 12:15 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    northidahonative Posts: 1166

    Bloem and Crimp have the right to close accounts where ever they like, others, like me have the right not to shop at any business which displays "Decline to Sign" or for that matter any other political posters or signs. I don't have a vote in the Recall, but if I did it would be to get rid of Bloem and the other puppets. Most of the reason I don't live in CDA is because of the City Politicians, who like in Spokane, may have faces and names that change, but their policies never do.

    The opportunity to recall elected officials is a right of the People of Idaho, Bloem has often said that the people elected her to make decisions she implies that after her election the people have no voice, the Recall right it the chance for people to demonstrate election remorse, just as many suffer from buyers remorse.

     
  • sunny hiller posted at 12:09 pm on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    sunny hiller Posts: 50

    Are the supporters of Recall one's who voted FOR one's they are trying to recall?

     
  • LONEWOLFMP posted at 11:54 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    LONEWOLFMP Posts: 46

    So....the people signing for the recall realize that its just for a special election....where there are two choices....that your either "For the recall of (insert name here)" or "Against the recall of (insert name here)"?

    Actually, after reading the statutes about this....I hope RecallCdA does get enough signatures...and this does go to the polls...and the number of people Against wins over For....

    Because once that election has happened and the people speaks that they are Against.....those elected officials cannot be petitioned again during their term...and we can get back to our normal lives again...

     
  • Rationale posted at 11:52 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Humanist,

    Kinda like how you and the others can't rationalize the lies you spew and your refusal to answer the 3 simple questions.

     
  • Brent Regan posted at 11:50 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Brent Regan Posts: 736

    It is the first rule of tyrants to punish those that oppose them. “When you are stronger than the opposition, crush the opposition” Saul Alinsky.

    The First Amendment prohibits the government from interfering with the People’s right to speak freely and to petition their government for the redress of grievances. When the government retaliates, directly or indirectly, it is a crime.

    Be aware that sending Code Enforcement agents, police and other city employees to “investigate” and harass under the color of law has a chilling effect on freedom and is asking for a civil rights violation lawsuit. Am I surprised by this behavior? No, seeing as the recall is all about city administrators exceeding their authority.

     
  • smndnl1 posted at 11:42 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    smndnl1 Posts: 142

    Even more reason to sign and do business at Sherman Hardware.!

     
  • Timeless posted at 11:31 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    I personally know each of the recall mob leaders, Except ," lived here 6 years Orzell."
    As a lifelong resident of CDA, I am ashamed of each and every one of them.

     
  • Always Curious posted at 11:00 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Always Curious Posts: 517

    @Tammie Black ..... so what about the simple advisory vote then?

    And as far as the question of appointed leadership, the same logic applies as the reasoning behind the appointed members of LCDC.

    The governor, like the mayor, was elected, the council was elected, appointments they make are representative of the electorate.

    And by the way, that question has been addressed before.


    "So, the big question for you then Mary is: "Why do the RecallCDA people not want YOU to have a vote?" - just gotta love this logic golden nugget from someone supporting petition blocking efforts.

     
  • meesterbox posted at 10:47 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    meesterbox Posts: 183

    Mary - you keep spouting that the anti-recall supporters don't want the people to have a vote and every time someone has to post how absurd this comment it. But, let me comment on how the process will actually work if they are recalled:

    The governor would fill at least one of the vacant council seats by appointment so there would be a quorum. The four council members would then select (which doesn't mean vote) the mayor. The appointed mayor would then appoint (once again not vote) the remaining council members subject to the approval of the sitting council.

    So Mary, it is quite contrary to what you keep saying. The recall will take away my vote for who would represent me. You understand this right? Do you also understand the division you are causing in the community? Do you understand the negative light you are shining on our city? Is this really about a vote for you Mary? You have a history of similar actions so is our great city the right place for you? Shouldn't you work toward bettering our community instead of trying to dismantle it?

     
  • Always Curious posted at 10:47 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Always Curious Posts: 517

    @CHSdad ... "enough of this line about being denied a vote"

    Your "line" is actually thousands of citizens reality - their legal and constitutional rights. Many do not know Ms. Souza but still support the recall intiative.

    Check out the results of the last election - Ms Souza cast all those votes?

    The recall is about citizens rights, your attempts at personalizing it and your dislike for Ms. Souza are obvious.

     
  • Humanist posted at 10:45 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    Quote Tammie Black: "if the fab four were successfully voted out of office, the new mayor and council would be APPOINTED............So, the big question for you then Mary is: "Why do the RecallCDA people not want YOU to have a vote?""

    That question has been asked of Mary many times here with absolutely no response. It's a very valid question and one that the recallers cannot rationalize without exposing their hypocrisy or underlying agenda.

     
  • Tammie Black posted at 10:33 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Tammie Black Posts: 8

    Mary typed: The big question is: "Why do the Anti-recall people not want YOU to have a vote? Are they afraid to know how the voters really feel?"

    Oh, Mary! Why do you have to be so repetitive and disingenuous all the time? No anti-recall person has ever ONCE said they do not want the public to have a vote. the public will have a vote in November 2013, right on schedule. This selfish Recall mess you've started, if successful, would indeed put the fab four on the ballot in August or November, we all realize that. No anti-recall person has ever denied that fact. The irony is, if the fab four were successfully voted out of office, the new mayor and council would be APPOINTED. The public would NOT get to vote on their replacements, a fact which you and your recall buddies have never addressed (to my knowledge). So, the big question for you then Mary is: "Why do the RecallCDA people not want YOU to have a vote?"

     
  • CHSdad posted at 10:28 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    CHSdad Posts: 383

    Mary, enough of this line about being denied a vote. The 4 were voted in and should they stand again would need to be voted in again. This is not about a vote, it is about your attempts to take over the council using unelected replacements. Where's the vote indeed!

     
  • liberty4all posted at 10:27 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    liberty4all Posts: 1

    The postings are amazing. Why is everyone so emotional about this. Sounds like there are a lot of uninformed folks out there.

    The recall is a legitimate process. Become informed about what is happening and WHY it is happening. I read the document from the Anti-recall folks. Essentially saying they have done nothing LEGALLY wrong. Right because if they had this would be an impeachment argument.

    Lets remember the Mayor and City Council members work for US. They are not our Leaders they are our servants. They are to act in compliance with the communities will. If the community is divided they should not act.

    The City needs to set limits on itself. Control its spending as we all control our spending when time is tough and stick to their primary responsibilities. If the community believes that Art and Culture are more important than Safety and Cleanliness we are Rome all over again and will burn.

     
  • Always Curious posted at 10:24 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Always Curious Posts: 517

    It is interesting to note that there are some on both sides that view the actions and words of individuals as if they were representative a collective type mind-merging where everyone thinks and acts the same.

    Nasty postcards - all the recall people are demons.

    Decline to patronize a particular business - all the anti-recallers are tyrants.

    @cococo .. just curious, if you discovered that this person you dislike also supported cancer research would your decision process be the same?

     
  • JonnyQPubic posted at 10:14 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    JonnyQPubic Posts: 325

    Let's compare apples & oranges. One person chooses to close an account with a business, this is "open intimidation". A group sends mass mailings to blackmail businesses and this is just dandy.

    If this issue wasn't so damaging to the City of CdA it would be funny enough to make a sitcom out of.

     
  • Mary Souza posted at 10:13 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Mary Souza Posts: 813

    As a matter of fact, CdA Honda DOES have petition signs at their business because they believe in the public's right to vote!

    The Recall signatures only get the 4 officials on the election ballot, then ALL the voters of CdA will have a voice. They can vote to keep these officials in office or to remove them.

    The big question is: "Why do the Anti-recall people not want YOU to have a vote? Are they afraid to know how the voters really feel?

     
  • Rationale posted at 10:12 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    cococo,

    Apparently you can't read. I've posted a list of lies. Then, of course, there's the 3 simple questions.

    And somehow you now believe Sandi and the anti-recallers are honest?

    Oh, the irony here.

     
  • Rationale posted at 10:09 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Hey Via Chicago,

    So why won't any of you sycophants answer the 3 simple questions? Why won't you acknowledge the lies that have been outlined?

    It's because liars have no integrity!

     
  • Via Chicago posted at 9:51 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Via Chicago Posts: 14

    MeesterBox nails it in his (or her) post, but I'll add this:

    I personally was against the McEuen plans, and voted that way in the previous election. I probably would have voted that way in November 2013.

    But these power-hungry Recall CdA people just couldn't wait, and now they've done what I didn't think was possible ... actually given "the McEuen 4" a chance at staying in office past their current terms.

    There's so much negativity on either side ... we've gone from debating what should or could be done to improve McEuen Field to what businesses should we boycott. Sad

     
  • cococo posted at 9:51 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    cococo Posts: 146

    I've changed my mind......I felt we should have been able to vote on the park project and a recall may have been in order.....then I read this story. My wife and I have known Sandi for about 30 years and we know her to be honest. I would not give my business to someone attacking me either and I bet most of you would not. I told Sandi that I felt we should be able to vote on the project but respect her for holding to her beliefs.
    Why am I now against the recall ?.......In my dealings with Sharon C. who was mentioned in the article as being for the recall......I CANNOT ALIGN WITH SOMEBODY AS UNETHICAL IN THEIR BUSINESS PRACTICES AS HER. I WILL NOT SIGN THE PETITION NOW KNOWING THAT SUCH PEOPLE SUPPORT IT. Those who want to sign the petition should do more research and be careful with the type of people you may be aligning yourself with.
    Saw a very nasty sarcastic postcard sent out to a local business that does not support the recall also.
    Sent to business that just bought a Honda from CDA Honda....can't wait to tease them about that.
    Very scared now that I actually agree with the last post from "JonnyQ".

     
  • Rationale posted at 9:51 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Still can't stop lying or address legitimate questions.

    Guess we know who their role in society...just shut up and do what your told.

    You all sound like Cartman: "Don't question my authoritay!!!!!!"

    Until you stop lying and address the legitimate questions, you are nothing but mindless sycophants. Way to aim high!

    Cowards!

     
  • Tammie Black posted at 9:50 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Tammie Black Posts: 8

    Notice all the pro-recall folks in the photo just clamoring to sign.

     
  • RadRev2D posted at 9:40 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    RadRev2D Posts: 372

    NOTHING QUITE LIKE CDA ELITE crimping the LIFESTYLES OF CDA'S COMMONERS!
    bet the GOBs behind the blooming idiots are shaking their heads.

    glorious Visionaries! Hardly. Lake CDA is an EPA cesspool with a blue cover.
    Eating the fish is questionable. Swimming is downright frigid. Liberals hiking in the woods could get et!

     
  • 986crazy posted at 9:34 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    986crazy Posts: 434

    So, since Kathy Sims is in front of a downtown hardware store pushing the recall petition instead of her auto dealership, CDA Honda, does that mean she doesn't mind screwing up some other small business owner's business, but not hers?

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 9:28 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969

    Wow,

    I have thought that this recall didn't have much of a chance, the cards are always stacked against them. But with the cities redefinition of the signature timeline to get an August vote, and now this open intimidation of city businesses, this recall has a chance even in August.

     
  • JonnyQPubic posted at 9:22 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    JonnyQPubic Posts: 325

    WOW! Talk about a bunch of hypocrites. Recall supporters are sending postcards to businesses telling them to take down the no-recall signs or they would lose business (I believe this is a form of blackmail) and I've seen examples. But those same people now think its wrong for the mayor to cease doing business with someone who has openly supported the recall. Really? You recall folks are so full of yourselves its funny/sad/pathetic.

    BTW, my choice to never ever consider buying a Honda goes back years, my choice to not shop at Sherman Hardware begins today.

     
  • Humanist posted at 9:20 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    Quote: "Can someone here please post ALL of the anti recall businesses? I want to make sure they never get another one of my dollars or any support from my family and friends. "

    Yeah, that's an awesome idea! While we're at it, lets compile a list of all of the pro-recall and anti-recall businesses, the democrat and republican businesses, and the religious and non-religious businesses and post it on the internet so EVERYONE can really stick it to 'em!

     
  • Thaddeus posted at 9:19 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Thaddeus Posts: 232

    My son & Daughter-in-law are in the market for a new car. Their preference? A Honda Accord. They'll be shopping for one in Spokane this weekend.

     
  • meesterbox posted at 9:15 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    meesterbox Posts: 183

    I don't think the business that oppose the recall have too much to worry about if the handful or so commenters that continually post on here are not going to frequent their business. What if it was your family being recalled and verbally attacked non-stop? What would you do?

    This community is divided and it isn't the fault of the Mayor and the three council members being targeted for recall. It is because of Orzell, Sims, Souza, Coulbreth, and Co. This attempt at a recall is all because they disagree with the decisions these elected official made (that and a side of bitterness). Imagine if they would have taking their frustration with the current administration to the polls next year - we wouldn't be dealing with all of this absurdity of which business you will no longer frequent.

    There will always be someone to disagree with any decision made for a community. Orzell, SIms, Souza, Coulbreth, etc., I hope that you are sitting back and taking a look at all the negativity you have brought to our city. Your actions and your actions alone are creating an ever growing division in our community. I think it is time you ask yourself if our great city is really the place you should call home because what you are doing is destroying the place I live and love - my home, my families home.

     
  • Tammie Black posted at 9:10 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Tammie Black Posts: 8

    Can someone here please post ALL of the anti recall businesses? I want to make sure they get A LOT of my dollars ad get FULL SUPPORT support from my family and friends. Thanks.

     
  • Rationale posted at 9:07 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Humanist,

    Actually, I have faith in humanity. More people will choose to not support lying and bullying and will choose the higher road than to blindly support lying and bullying.

    In the grand scheme of things, it really does matter...at least to those who understand that telling the truth is honorable.

     
  • NoName posted at 9:03 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    NoName Posts: 253

    Can someone here please post ALL of the anti recall businesses? I want to make sure they never get another one of my dollars or any support from my family and friends. Thanks.

     
  • Humanist posted at 9:00 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    Quote: "My money will NO LONGER go to the Sportscellar for ANY reason. Thanks for pointing out the Caddyshack, I will no longer be frequenting this spot after golf."

    As I said below, for every one person deciding to no longer frequent those places for this reason, there is another that will frequent those places for the same reason. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really matter.

     
  • Always Curious posted at 8:59 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Always Curious Posts: 517

    @concernedcitizen ..

    "Crimp got one thing right, there IS a division and it is because of the "VISIONARIES"."

    Wouldn't that be "DIVISIONARIES" then?

    :)

     
  • haydenator posted at 8:56 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    haydenator Posts: 204

    When this recall is successfull and the scum is rooted from city hall, those businesses who were behind the Mayor and her minions will find the boycott against them was successfull as well. It is very obvious this is businesses trying to line their pockets at the tax payers expense. So the scum has spread from city hall right out onto main street. I would love to see a more resident friendly business right where Sports Cellar is.

     
  • geody44 posted at 8:54 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    geody44 Posts: 16

    It's a shame that Mayor Bloem and her family has taken to bullying tactics! Trying to purposely do damage to a local business that opposes your political point of view is just wrong. Look what it has started! Now you have people not willing to do business with you! Everyone has a right to sign this petition if they want to. I could care less if you are in favor or against it...I plan to sign it and had not even considered boycotting any business that backed KEEPING the mayor and councilmen. It should not have even been about that. It is hard enough for businesses to keep their doors open without you starting dirty tactics such as this! You should be ashamed! Leave the people and businesses alone that back the recall! Let them gather signatures wherever they want! Let it go to a vote of the people! It is our right as American citizens to collect signatures to recall any political leaders if we are unhappy with their performances as public servants! Let a vote decide, and then we can move on like adults! We are NOT in middle school!!!

     
  • SamuelStanding posted at 8:47 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    SamuelStanding Posts: 612

    Hey I am with "Haydenator" I have two children at CHS, basketball and softball. My money will NO LONGER go to the Sportscellar for ANY reason. Thanks for pointing out the Caddyshack, I will no longer be frequenting this spot after golf. I prefer to go to The Porch and Sherman hardware store...I am remodeling and will be HAPPY to come and spend money with you just to support your business.

     
  • Rationale posted at 8:39 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Wow...

    Liars and now bullies. What honorable traits our leaders are exhibiting. The sycophants must be so proud.

    Still can't get any of these losers to answer my questions and tell the truth.

    Bullies are punks. And the way you deal with a bully is to stand up to them and watch as they run away. Play their game.

    As for the mindless sycophants, I pity your inability to ask legitimate questions and think for yourselves.

    Funny, the pulling of accounts from local businesses is a two-way street. Gee, I gotta get a letterman's jacket this year for my kid...guess which establishment I've decided to boycott?...all because of lying and now bullying.

    Answer the questions and tell the truth, or is honesty a trait you will never embrace because it takes character?

    Perhaps cowardice is another trait we should add to this list?

     
  • DeNiles posted at 8:35 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    Welcome to city hall. Instant and certain retaliation for anyone or any business opposing the good olde boys network.

    Any doubt that any public employee found to be supporting the recall will find their job in some jeopardy?

    Any doubt that a business with a current city contract will not be considered for renewal IF that business supports the recall?

    What is more infuriating is that they are proud to conduct themselves this way. They want it understood that mafia-esque tactics are in place and will most certainly be applied. And if all else were just perfect this is reason enough alone that they need - to - GO!

     
  • Humanist posted at 8:31 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    Quote Captain America: "And yes, I have made a mental note of businesses like Pita Pit, Sports Cellar, the coffee shop located near that I frequent."

    And so have I and my family. We will consciously patronized those businesses more. And we will consciously patronize those businesses who support the recall less. It goes both ways.

    So, based on comments here with people using the businesses they want to use, the net affect is what? Zero.

     
  • 986crazy posted at 8:15 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    986crazy Posts: 434

    I forgot to ask: Does Kathy Sims have sign the petition signs in front of her business, CDA Honda? (With tongue planted firmly in cheek)

     
  • 986crazy posted at 8:13 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    986crazy Posts: 434

    This is "Exhibit A" as to why a small business owner should NEVER allow their PERSONAL views on politics to become public.

     
  • haydenator posted at 7:52 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    haydenator Posts: 204

    And yes 1010 Sherman just got themselves a new customer. I have a bunch of lingering repairs and now would be a great time!!

     
  • srfost posted at 7:51 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    srfost Posts: 43

    To each his own. I plan on shopping at every single anti-recall business and will never set foot in Sherman Hardware again.

     
  • haydenator posted at 7:49 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    haydenator Posts: 204

    I have already quit visiting the Caddy Shack on Prarie because of their signage against the recall. I will no longer purchase my teams athletic gear from the Sports Cellar either. I will not be purchasing my kids varsity jackets from the Sports cellar. May they go bankrupt as the want the rest of us to. It may be small but the Sports Cellar got 2,000 from me last year and I spent at least 2,500 at Caddy Shack taking my team in. Willing to bet I can cost both businesses at least 10g in sales. The porch has better food anyways.

     
  • Captain America posted at 7:44 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Captain America Posts: 51

    I have already called a friend who works at a business off of Northwest that had a "decline sign." I assured this personal friend that I would not be conducting business any longer. The sign was removed.

    And yes, I have made a mental note of businesses like Pita Pit, Sports Cellar, the coffee shop located near that I frequent. Moreover, I will ask CHS Booster to NOT purchase from Sports Cellar any longer.

    I will not be held hostage by a one vote majority on the city council. These arrogant people like Kennedy and Bloem MUST GO!

     
  • imanewt posted at 7:39 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    imanewt Posts: 15

    I Carry: Mr. Crimp has been a great member and supporter of this community for many years and a complete class act. You would be hard pressed to find a person that has contributed more to the schools and sports programs of this and other nearby cities. If you say that you would not do the same to support your family you are not being truthful. Although I support the recall, I also support Mr. Crimp and his right to choose who he does business with as I am sure many of you will make your own decisions.

     
  • Justin Cottrell posted at 7:34 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Justin Cottrell Posts: 157

    Bad form on the part of the Mayors supporters. I was remaining neutral on what businesses are either for or against the recall. But now the gloves are off. Any business that's decided to post the Decline to Sign, I'll make sure to never do business with again. When out of state family and friends come, I'll let them know to do the same.

    This is yet more proof the Bloem Regime, and her legion of minions don't want the people to have a choice.

     
  • mister d posted at 7:34 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    mister d Posts: 1531

    Well I guess Bloom has set the tone and now I wil not support any store with a sign indicating support for the anti recallers. The Bloom family continues to hurt the city. Get her out!

     
  • rebmem posted at 7:08 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    rebmem Posts: 101

    the signatures on the petition may become public record but the voting will be in private. to the final 4: get ready to close your offices cause you WILL be gone. and yes, i will make it a point to make my hardware purchases on sherman. I'm sure you will be seeing many new faces in your establishment!

     
  • The Other Decider posted at 6:57 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    The Other Decider Posts: 264

    I was on the fence with this recall. My taxes are only being used for the downtown core and not spread across the city fairly. Enough of this bs, they must go. I will sign the recall petition.

     
  • lola123 posted at 6:52 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    lola123 Posts: 349

    Yes, two can play that game. The idiots that were boycotting and phoning in nasty messages for businesess that were against the recall now are getting even.
    I would expect that John @ Sherman Hardware is just like the rest of the dinosaurs that support the recall. In both age and mentality that is.
    Another business to boycott is Silver Creek Signs and anyone else who supports this stupid cause. Whether you agree or disagree with the current adminstrations decisions is NOT the issue.
    My friends and I do NOT want our city council APPOINTED, there by circumventing the voting process.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 6:40 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    The poster known as Rationale asked some very good questions. on another article/letter thread.

    If the city saved money from NOT maintaining McEuen, where is that money? Which account?

    If the city has been planning McEuen for 15 years, would there be almost enough money to pay for it? Where is THAT money as well?

     
  • I Carry posted at 6:40 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    I Carry Posts: 559

    Sports Cellar, Erica Grubar, Lillian Wilkins, and Greg Crimp - - - - names to remember. These names surely can't claim to promote community harmony, but instead say the Recall folks are political dividers.
    Ms. Grubar and Mr. Crimp aren't a class act at all, and actually should be ashamed for their actions. Who's the politically divisive now?
    Sign the Recall. Do not be afraid of bullies that run a couple of businesses. They probably put their pants on the same as the rest of us.

     
  • Just_K posted at 6:39 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    Just_K Posts: 84

    :throws popcorn:
    Being a near outsider of the Cd'A community, this is like watching little children in a great big sandbox. The bully's trying to force the rest of the kids to go along with how they want to play, or they're just gonna take their buckets and shovels and go home! It's entertaining and sad at the same time to see full size grown up adults acting like bickering children and not respecting one another's rights. I honestly don't have an opinion for either side except to say they should grow up and stop the side show.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 6:37 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Jennifer Drake, of the Stop the Recall movement, was appointed by the Mayor and City Council to serve on the City's Arts Commission.

    Hmmmm...........

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 6:24 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Citizens,

    Please pay attention to the actions of our City of Coeur d'Alene Mayor. This is so typical!

    Ask yourself why there is so much fear?


     
  • spudman1 posted at 6:18 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    spudman1 Posts: 495

    Oh no, It's not retaliation in the same way it was not retaliation against the Sanders beach owners that would not bend over for this same bunch of bullys. Such an obvious lie and told with a straight face. Shows just what kind of people they really are. I will make it a point to shop there. According to this bunch you step out of line and you better watch out, how revealing.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 6:09 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    Same tactics used by this town for years. Boycott, discredit and defame the opposition..

    Crimp got one thing right, there IS a division and it is because of the "VISIONARIES".

    You cannot be part of this "COMMUNITY" unless you comply.

    Maze is correct. This is truly sad.

     
  • NoName posted at 5:59 am on Thu, May 10, 2012.

    NoName Posts: 253

    Going forward, I'm going to be making 100% of my hardware purchases from the hardware store at 1010 Sherman Ave. I'm going to go out of my way to make sure all of my friends and family members do the same!

     
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