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'There's no second chance'

Man trying to create support group to help local sex offenders

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Posted: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:15 am

RATHDRUM - A few days after Bill Johnson ran his notice in the Coeur d'Alene Press, he noticed his fence posts had been vandalized.

He saw, as he mowed his lawn Monday, the otherwise sturdy wooden fence sagging limply in spots, as though someone had yanked the posts from the ground.

What one has to do with the other, he's not entirely sure.

It wouldn't shock him, though, if the notice was the sole reason someone wanted to rip the fence right from its root.

"It was a fairly new post," he said, shaking the sagging boards Tuesday outside his Rathdrum home.

Johnson has spent the last 35 years well aware that society looks down on him. He admits he feels ostracized and unforgiven.

"Like we're lepers," he said.

Johnson is a registered sex offender, convicted of first degree rape in Washington in 1976. He spent 12 years incarcerated at the Washington State Penitentiary in Walla Walla, Wash.

As much as he wants to focus on the future, it's difficult, he said. Society isn't as willing to forgive sexual offenses as it is other crimes.

"There's no second chance," Johnson said. "Every other crime, murder, it doesn't matter ... Even when the sex offenders stop offending sexually, and they know that, they're still not willing to give them a second chance."

It has led to an isolated life for Johnson.

And the notice he ran Saturday in The Press's community calendar was the first step to trying to change that. It was an announcement for a support group he wants to form with other offenders, "Sex Offender Registrants Not-Anonymous."

"I know what registration/notification has done to our lives, and I want to hear your stories and share information," the listing read, printing Johnson's address as the gathering location. "It's time that we talk and get to know one another, and discuss what, if anything, we can do collectively to better our situation."

The group - whose first meeting would be 9 a.m. Saturday at Johnson's home, 15031 Stevens St. in Rathdrum - would focus on moving forward, healing and becoming involved.

Together, for example, the group could be a unified voice in supporting change to registration rules. Having to register as an offender for 25 years to a lifetime is too long, Johnson said, for offenders convicted decades ago who have never re-offended.

Most importantly, however, the meetings would be a social outlet.

Because once one becomes a registered sex offender, society turns its back - forever.

"It's a healthy thing to socialize and most psychologists will tell you that," Johnson said. "If there's not people you can visit with or talk to or go out and have dinner with or anything - it's just hard."

Not everyone is wild about the possibility of a group of sex offenders together in a residential neighborhood.

One neighbor, who wanted her name withheld from this article because she didn't want potential backlash from former offenders, said it was "disgusting" to have the gathering in the middle of a neighborhood with children around.

"It frightens me," she said, adding she has heard the same from neighbors once word spread. "We don't like it."

She said she would rather see them meet in a public forum, away from the cluster of homes.

"A restaurant, park, a lake or something," she said. "But to bring it to a neighborhood, are you frickin' kidding me?"

No law is in the books would prevent such a gathering, according to the Kootenai County Prosecutor's Office.

Johnson, who doesn't know if any offenders will even show up, said of the 27 registered offenders in Rathdrum, 60 percent committed their crimes between 20 to 40 years ago.

Even so, it's hard to meet in public, he said. Stares, comments, even cooks who spit in offenders' food are out there. Because once word is out about an offender, it's hard for them to blend back into society.

Which is why Johnson wants to bring the group to his home.

"I suppose there's always possible danger, but they've got to go somewhere," said Brian Martin, who lives a few blocks from Johnson, and learned about the upcoming meeting. "It's a double-edged sword. But at the same time I'm not thrilled about the idea."

Neighbor Tony Jacobs said he also sees both sides. It's important to move forward, he said, "but I could see where it would offend people with small kids."

Whether Johnson's fence post was any sort of retaliation for the gathering the 11-year Rathdrum resident is trying to start, he can't say. He doesn't expect the neighborhood to be thrilled with the idea, but Johnson, married for 22 years, said he has to try it.

The majority of offenders don't re-offend, he said, and he wants to focus on those who are trying to improve day-by-day.

And Johnson, like others in his shoes, lives with the pain he caused his victim every day, and it's an awful feeling, he said. But it's time to find support, a community, where he can focus on what's ahead. Because isolation, he said, is awful, too.

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  • Mark W posted at 4:53 pm on Sun, Aug 12, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    To Joseph Jr- hahaha- they let me keep posting for the same reason they allow you to post you mindless babble- freedom of speech. Virginia Hall, I'm sorry for what happened to you and glad to see that you chose to NOT let it define you. Hey JR, in case you've never heard it before, this is what a SURVIVOR sounds like.

     
  • Virginia Hall posted at 1:53 am on Mon, Aug 6, 2012.

    Virginia Hall Posts: 2

    Just wanted to add ... for more information, read the additional articles published in this very newspaper on this topic. The "'My Turn"' column entitled "A penalty that lasts a lifetime,"' a second article on May 17 called "Targeting the real monsters", and others.

     
  • Virginia Hall posted at 1:49 am on Mon, Aug 6, 2012.

    Virginia Hall Posts: 2

    I am amused by several men postulating what female rape victims feel in this forum. I am a former rape victim, and I feel fine. Note that I used the word "former", as that crime does not define my life. If the rapist who assaulted me in 1977 was on a nationwide registry, guess what -- I would feel NO safer. It would give me NO warm fuzzies. Joseph Jr and your ilk, why don't you let this man alone? Think about why we punish - three reasons, if you've been to law school. (1) General deterrence; (2) specific deterrence and (3) retribution. Whatever theory you like, we do not punish by refusing to allow ex offenders to reenter society. When we do that, we create an underclass of persons who can not find housing, can not find work.... That's not creating safety. People, did you know that most sexual offenses are not committed by people on the registry? They are committed by your friends, family members, scout leaders, clergy. Do you know that sexual offenders have the lowest rate of recidivism of all criminals? (The worst repeat offenders are drunk drivers. Go start a registry for them.) Regardless of your religious leanings, there are comments on here which are just inhuman. There is a system which exists to protect victims, and it is called the district attorney's office. There comes a time, when punishment ends. I do not support sex offender registration, because I do not believe it keeps me or my children safe. I support strong laws which punish those who offend in any way. I support proactive parenting which keeps kids safe. Let this man have the support he needs and let him reintegrate into society. If you don't want to have him over for coffee, then don't. But do not stand in the way of his attempts to heal, yes, I said heal...and become a functioning, law abiding citizen.

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 8:26 am on Fri, Aug 3, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    Mark W...Why the CDA PRESS is allowing you to continue writing, claiming to know what happens to victims and how they "heal," is outrageous. You are a self centered and sick human being.

     
  • Mark W posted at 6:07 am on Fri, Jul 27, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    It's hard, you're right. But it's also the difference between being a victim and being a survivor. Victims never move on and get stuck in victim mode. Survivors don't let there trauma run there life. They get counseling, they rebuild and heal. Part of the healing process IS forgiveness. Many offenders, myself included, are part of large organizations that are looking for reform, and while it may be for selfish reasons, one of the "unintended consequences", of those reforms, is that laws that don't make senses are being replaced with laws that work. One example, I am against residency restrictions. The way the laws are now, offenders (regardless of the type of crime) are required to SLEEP 500, 1000, or 2500 ft from places where children congregate. Here's the immidiate problem with this a) it's driving many offenders underground, where they're either giving law enforcement bad information, and/or listing themselves as transient. B) they are required to SLEEP in places far away from children, when the children aren't present (I don't know any 5th graders that go to school in the middle of the night), that restriction does nothing to keep the offenders out during the DAY, which is when there is a REAL threat. I suggest, and it's slowly happening, that the RR be replaced with Child Protection Zones. Offenders in this scenario are prohibited from Loitering IN or AROUND places where children congregate, at ALL times. If you're an offender, and you're caught being in one of these places with no legitimate purpose, you get arrested. This solves many issues: offenders are more like to register more accurate information, less "transient" offenders and most importantly, the offenders have REAL reason to stay away from places where they shouldn't be. This is just ONE example of smart law, as opposed to "tough" law.

     
  • Mark W posted at 6:07 am on Fri, Jul 27, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    It's hard, you're right. But it's also the difference between being a victim and being a survivor. Victims never move on and get stuck in victim mode. Survivors don't let there trauma run there life. They get counseling, they rebuild and heal. Part of the healing process IS forgiveness. Many offenders, myself included, are part of large organizations that are looking for reform, and while it may be for selfish reasons, one of the "unintended consequences", of those reforms, is that laws that don't make senses are being replaced with laws that work. One example, I am against residency restrictions. The way the laws are now, offenders (regardless of the type of crime) are required to SLEEP 500, 1000, or 2500 ft from places where children congregate. Here's the immidiate problem with this a) it's driving many offenders underground, where they're either giving law enforcement bad information, and/or listing themselves as transient. B) they are required to SLEEP in places far away from children, when the children aren't present (I don't know any 5th graders that go to school in the middle of the night), that restriction does nothing to keep the offenders out during the DAY, which is when there is a REAL threat. I suggest, and it's slowly happening, that the RR be replaced with Child Protection Zones. Offenders in this scenario are prohibited from Loitering IN or AROUND places where children congregate, at ALL times. If you're an offender, and you're caught being in one of these places with no legitimate purpose, you get arrested. This solves many issues: offenders are more like to register more accurate information, less "transient" offenders and most importantly, the offenders have REAL reason to stay away from places where they shouldn't be. This is just ONE example of smart law, as opposed to "tough" law.

     
  • Rationale posted at 7:42 pm on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    You are probably right. Unfortunately, I also believe that humans have a difficult time once their trust has been broken. I also believe it is not human nature to be nice to someone who has stolen the life of his victim.

    I'm not saying it's right or wrong...it just is...

     
  • Mark W posted at 2:19 pm on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    I agree with your last post. We do have the ability to discern. My judgement is: he hasn't raped anyone in 36 years, his wife is obviously passed it and sees the good in him, and he's actually making himself EXTRA visable by this story and his advertisement (not the actions of someone bent on committing more crimes). I would not have a problem with this person being my neighbor, and if society (or you) were less "judgemental" and more compassionate, maybe he wouldn't need to turn to other offenders. You don't have to have your kids sleep over at his place, but is a friendly waive and hello from across the hedge asking for too much?

     
  • Rationale posted at 8:46 pm on Wed, Jul 25, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Mark,

    Eternal judgment comes from God. Judgment on your soul comes from God. We, as humans are allowed "discernment"...and the right to judge for ourselves what is acceptable. People always claim we don't have the right to judge...when what we don't have is the right to judge unrighteously.

    Look at Joseph Duncan or Jeffrey Dahmer...there is no way they could repay any debt to society...never. And other than a few sickos, I don't think there is anybody out there who wants Joseph Duncan free...nor do they really wish he were alive.

    "We've all made mistakes"...you are 100% correct. But you do have the right to judge...there is no one on the planet who would suggest your scenario is anything like Joseph Duncan's. And that, Mark, is "judging." It's discernment.

    And discernment IS judging and is based on the facts at hand. And it is what you want the public to do in your case...discern (judge) the facts and weigh things accordingly. It is what you asked the PO and the judge in your case to do.

     
  • Mark W posted at 8:40 pm on Wed, Jul 25, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    In unrelated news, I went to court today for a speeding ticket: good news, 7th ticket IN A ROW, dismissed. I believe that's a new record. Hats off to me.

     
  • Mark W posted at 7:02 pm on Wed, Jul 25, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Let's talk each case on its on merits. I TRULY don't mean any disrespect, but I disagree about the court of public opinion, and HERE'S WHY: for EVERY person you can find to agree with your opinion, I could find one also. That leaves a hung jury. I try my best not to base logical reasoning on the opinions of others: thats what the courts are for. I don't like the position I'm in, but I admit that this is what the public wants. It's the public that votes in our legislators, our judges, down to our sheriff. I get your position, I REALLY do. But, on the basis of principle, Christianity, and MY basic moral compass, I have to disagree. According scripture(if you're a christian) then you know an eye for eye leaves both blind. As much as you'll doubt this, I've been harmed, and wronged. On several occasions, I've given forgiveness when wanted vengeance. My God, says vengeance is mine. So I leave it to him. As a human, I know I don't have all the answers, and where I'm lacking, I turn it over to Him. I don't suggest you pretend to have to have all the answers, or to pretend that you're clean. We've all made mistakes (admittedly, some bigger than others), but it's not my place to judge.

     
  • Rationale posted at 5:01 pm on Wed, Jul 25, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Mark,

    Yes, I am ultra-conservative. Guilty as charged.

    1st degree rape (i.e. Bill Johnson) is a heinous crime committed by cowards. The reason why it should always carry a life sentence w/out parole or clemency is because the victims of those crimes are given a life sentence. So why shouldn't the perpetrator get the same? Why should the perpetrator get to "move on," when the victim can't. And yes, that should include the court of public opinion. The sentences for heinous crimes should hurt for a long time, and their should be no remorse for imposing the sentence.

    As for your scenario, there was an old adage we were warned about when I was growing up: "15 will get you 20, less will get you more."

    I believe in your circumstance, it should require the signature of the 14 year old girl (or her written admission it was consensual, and that she wishes your sentence receive clemency) to commute the sentence...but not before a minimum sentence is imposed. (Perhaps when she turns 21).

    I think that is more than fair for your circumstance. Your take?

     
  • Mark W posted at 10:36 am on Wed, Jul 25, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Ok I'm Back. Rationale, I don't think you and I are necessarily on two sides of a fence. I think you are on the ultra-conservative side of the fence. I, as a moderate, sit ON the fence. I agree with adequate punishment for those that deserve it. I believe in leniency when a case merits it and I don't believe it should be up to individuals. I have MANY ideas for reform, would take to many posts to cover them all. So you give me a scenario, I'll give my input. As far as Bill Johnson, or any convicted of 1st degree rape, I don't believe 12 years is long enough. I believe a charge of that degree should come with a minimum 20-25 year sentence, with no gain time. However, once a person completes there sentence, they should be able to move on. The only lifelong sentences I know of are imposed by the courts, not by individuals and their opinions.

     
  • Rationale posted at 11:44 pm on Tue, Jul 24, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Mark,

    See, ask a legitimate question, and you run like a scalded dog. You don't care about the true victim...you simply want Bill Johnson to be made the martyr...and he's not!

    Then I asked you, because you claimed you'd like to see the laws tweaked, to describe how you would tweak them. I put the ball in your court...I asked it twice...no response.

    Just because I am not willing to cut Bill Johnson any slack is no reason to run and hide.

    Answer the question as to how you would tweak the system.

     
  • Mark W posted at 9:23 pm on Tue, Jul 24, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    1st- Joseph, blah blah blah. Secondly, rationale, I was wrong to think that you and I were finally reaching some common ground. I was about to respond to your previous comment, but nevermind, I see now there's no getting through. Take care, its been fun, but I've wasted enough time. Best wishes to all.

     
  • Rationale posted at 8:32 pm on Tue, Jul 24, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Mark,

    Common sense means you protect women and children at all costs!

    Common sense would not have raped a person like Bill Johnson did.

    Common sense says that the only remorse Bill Johnson has shown in the article is that he is sorry for having to live with a label.

    But common sense mostly says, when a heinous crime like 1st degree rape occurs, that person is NEVER trusted again. It takes a person a lifetime to build integrity...to build a reputation. Perhaps he should have thought about that before he acted like a punk coward. Sorry, but he is not worthy of compassion. His rape victim is the one who deserves compassion. He's simply another Jerry Sandusky!

    If you knew your next door neighbor was a convicted 1st degree rapist (no matter how long ago) and you have a young daughter or granddaughter and leave them alone with this person, that is NOT common sense...that is child endangerment! All these bleeding hearts...yet not one of you has mentioned Bill Johnson's victim! And that is absolutely disgusting! What did she do to have to live that nightmare for the rest of her life.

    Bill Johnson showed no regret for his actions. He is only sorry that he has been labeled.

    Quite frankly, we should never have to address an issue like this, because 1st degree rapists should either get life in prison...or better yet, removed from the gene pool!

    Once again, I asked you a legitimate question: Since I could never know what it is like to be in your shoes, what would YOU do to "tweak" the laws?

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 8:17 pm on Tue, Jul 24, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    I see Mark W and Coco nuts are busy, patting each other on the back. I'd like to post "LOL," but that's not the case.

    Maybe Mark W and Cococo nuts are hoping to host meeting at their own homes, you know...to heal?

    No doubt, the best way to create positive neighbor relations, is by holding meetings for convicted sexual offenders at your home.

    I have a question for "Bill." It seems you have found God. I assume you are attending church. Why not ask your pastor to allow you to hold the meeting at the church? Some churches allow groups to use rooms to hold meetings for those recovering.

    I promise you, if I were a recovering alcoholic or addict, and decided to place an ad inviting alcoholics and addicts to my home and neighborhood, the neighbors would not be happy. That from a person who has a close family member, who is a recovering addict.

    Is there possibly a history of you suggesting things to people, which makes people feel uncomfortable or awckward? Maybe almost like a dare? An "in your face" kind of attitude? Kind of like Mark W?

    Mark W....Let's see here: Your wife and son carry concealed weapons. You attend church. You drive fancy and expensive sports cars. You wear jewelry? Sure Mark...like in the movies. FYI: The people who have alot of money, seldom flaunt it. Only those who seek attention do the things you claim you do in your life. Well, don't forget to send in your yearly check to the BBB, so you can attempt to brag about something.

     
  • 5inPfs posted at 8:11 pm on Tue, Jul 24, 2012.

    5inPfs Posts: 765

    I agree.

    The scary people out there are the ones who have never been caught...

     
  • 5inPfs posted at 8:07 pm on Tue, Jul 24, 2012.

    5inPfs Posts: 765

    You are correct, there needs to be a line--however, there also needs to be common sense when it comes to enacting those lines. Hence the Romeo and Juliet laws.

    Should he have slept with a 12 year old? Would that be OK? Or perhaps 10... Two willing teenagers having sex--not rape. Sexual relations with a prepubescent child, generically called "child molestation", is typically treated as a more serious crime.

    I am well aware of cognitive development of teenagers and know that a boy who is 18 does not necessarily mean "he thinks like an adult". Again, the reason for common sense when it comes to the law.

    I don't know that he did rape the girl, but neither do you. My anecdotal experiences leads me to presume him as he presents himself. Do I think he made a smart choice? Nope. But, neither do I think he should be punished for the rest of his life for a stupid choice.

    Each of these situations should be assessed on a one on one basis--and not automatically condemned due to an arbitrary age line.

     
  • Mark W posted at 7:45 pm on Tue, Jul 24, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Thank you Cococo. I know I'm not the only one out there with common sense, I also know the world isn't as black and white as others would like to believe. The man committed his crime 36 years ago. That is a MIGHTY long time. Plus, I read several statements in the article that (to me) show remorse, show regret, and a THOROUGH understanding of the gravity of his actions. What I also see is a desperate person, looking to build some semblance of a life given his limited options. Again, the man cant turn to society for forgiveness, redemption or that life he's trying to build, and some want to knock on him for TRYING? That to me, is shameful.

     
  • Rationale posted at 7:39 pm on Tue, Jul 24, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Mark,

    Since i am on one side of the fence and you are on the other, what do you suggest we do? How would YOU tweak it?

     
  • Mark W posted at 6:37 pm on Tue, Jul 24, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    You know rationale, that last post of yours was probably the least condescending of all your posts, and I appreciate that. A little civility goes a long way. I agree with almost everything you stated in your last post. Children do need to be protected, and a line needs to be drawn. I don't believe in abolishing our laws, but I would like to see them tweaked, to where they are fair and just. There are truly dangerous people out there and in some cases, their sentences aren't harsh enough (if they dont get away with their crime altogether). By the same token, there are people out there who would never harm a fly, who are paying through the nose. I would like to see that change.

     
  • cococo posted at 5:18 pm on Tue, Jul 24, 2012.

    cococo Posts: 146

    It has surely affected me. I think I have a headache from all of this mental masturbation.

    "Mark W"......I still wish many more blessings on you and your family.....I feel you never committed a crime.....oh wait.....I take that back.....you are definitely guilty of the crime of thinking that people like "rationale" will ever open their mind to any other viewpoints.

    "rationale"....you posted a while back that he would have gotten a pass if she were 17......really.....who hands those passes out? You? Are those the passes you hand out because you or a loved one may fall into that category.....you know, a rapist that just hasn't been caught yet?

     
  • Rationale posted at 5:17 pm on Tue, Jul 24, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Mark,

    You are guilty of rape. There are two types: the one here that Bill Johnson was guilty of, (and is whining about his label) that you jumped on board to support his position, and your case.

    There is a reason why statutory rape was implemented...because although it isn't the traditional definition, it stopped people like you from having sex with a minor and then blaming the minor (just like you did) for the decision to have sex. It drew a line in the sand to keep adults from having sex with children...and yes, at 14, she was still a child...at least emotionally. So while you feel you shouldn't be grouped with the Bill Johnson's merely because you didn't "force it on her," the law is there to protect minors from being manipulated into that kind of decision. After all, you have made it a point to tell everybody how smart you are. So how do we know you simply didn't play a Jedi mind trick on that impressionable young child to make them think it was her idea to have sex?

    I'll ask you a similar question that I asked 5inPfs:

    Since you don't believe you committed a crime, at what age should the cutoff be? Seriously...you think 14 year old girls should be having sex, apparently...so what about a 13 year old? Or should it be 12? Or maybe 10?

    You waited a whole 4 days to have sex with a 14 year old...perhaps you could have shown some self control and waited just a few weeks...by then you would have found out she was 14.

    Regardless, the point is simple: statutory rape was implemented to protect children. And your stance/defense is the exact reason why it was implemented. Who knows...perhaps all the wild tales you tell are true. But that's the point of the law...to protect the victims from the "who knows?'

    I'd rather the laws protect our children and be labeled intolerant, or "myopic" for supporting their enforcement. And if a few people suffer because of their poor decision, so be it. At least the children should be able to feel safe. Or should we simply say "To heck with the kids." I say we err on the side of caution for the kids' sake!

    And if everything you say is true, I feel bad for you...but it doesn't change the fact of what you did. You made your bed, now you get to lie in it. (pun intended)

    As for Bill Johnson, he can cry all he wants. He's a scumbag, and he always will be for what he did. He's not sorry for what he did. Perhaps a few minutes inside the octagon with Brock Lesnar might change his mind!

     
  • Mark W posted at 4:50 pm on Tue, Jul 24, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Im going to try to simplify this so maybe you'll understand... I plead guilty, because..... Wait for it.... I AM GUILTY. I HAD SEX WITH THAT GIRL. Happy now?! Now try to follow: under the law, I committed a crime, I don't believe it should be held to the same standard as a rapist, when it's NOT rape. The court agreed with me to the extent that they a) withheld adjudication b) no prison or jail time c) waived over $3k in fees and THEN d) granted early termination. Jeez, I must not be so dangerous afterall, or at least the courts felt I wasn't, otherwise, why would they let me go? And you TOTALLY missed the point of what 5inPfs was saying: you FEEL an 18 year old having sex with a 15yo is rape. I FEEL it's not. But the courts seem to side with ME, otherwise there wouldn't be mitigating circumstances or R&j clauses. Either way, your opinion not withstanding, your still a moron, incapable of following another's point to its end. I get your simplified, myopic point: "You're a rapist, blah blah blah". You still missed all RATIONAL posts and there message: that rape and statutory rape are fundamentally different. One is rape ONLY because of a minor (no pun intended) difference in age, the other is about force. At the end of the day, nothing either of us has typed will affect the other in the least.

     
  • Rationale posted at 3:42 pm on Tue, Jul 24, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Mark,

    Oh...geee...you finally admitted it! You plead guilty! And yet your "mitigating circumstances" were rejected.

    Sounds to me like in your state, you do not need to pass the bar to be a lawyer. Nor do they enforce any laws. Apparently, I can get Uncle Goober to drop all charges just by asking.

    You filed 11 motions. Were you working at the time?...because each time you file a motion, it costs money just to file. But let me guess, you also have had all court costs refunded all the way back to your original charges, right

    As for coming at you legally, I've already proven your assertions are swiss cheese. Your arrogance is actually pathetic, because it isn't justified. You definitely don't come across as intelligent...you come across as dishonest, disingenuous, and suffering from Barry Bonds-itis!...You know, all bluff and no stuff!

    And here's the kicker: If I didn't do something, or if I felt that what I did wasn't wrong, I would NEVER plead guilty! Ever. Kinda like "A Few Good Men."

    "If the court finds that what I did was wrong, then I'll take whatever punishment they give me. But I believe I was right, and I won't say that I'm guilty so I can go home in six months!

    Yours is the typical, "I'm guilty but I didn't do it" plea. Just like O.J.

     
  • Rationale posted at 3:28 pm on Tue, Jul 24, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    5inPfs,

    Let's see...study the cognitive development of a 14 year old. Watch how it changes around 16, then 18, all the way up to 25. Gee, why do you think there is an age of consent? Gotta draw the line somewhere...and 18 is considered adult.

    Still think it's not an issue? Then where would YOU draw the line? Should he have slept with a 12 year old? Would that be OK? Or perhaps 10...

    Cognitively speaking, there is a HUGE difference between an 18 year old and a fourteen year old.

    Why do you think there's a juvenile justice system? Because kids under the age of 18 are not fit to make certain decisions on their own.

    And based on all the lies this guy spews, it's a wonder how you give any credibility to what he says. For all you know, he did rape the victim forcibly!

     
  • 5inPfs posted at 12:16 pm on Tue, Jul 24, 2012.

    5inPfs Posts: 765

    **sigh**

    Statutory Rape: Used in some legal jurisdictions to refer to sexual activities in which one person is below the age required to legally consent to the behavior. Statutory rape differs from forcible rape in that overt force or threat need not be present. In some states have established Romeo and Juliet laws, which serve to reduce or eliminate the penalty of the crime in cases where the couple's age difference is minor and the sexual contact is only considered rape because of the lack of legally recognized consent.

    Rape: A type of sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse, which is initiated by one or more persons against another person without that person's consent. The act may be carried out by physical force, coercion, or abuse of authority. Rape is a violent act.

    A senior in high school (18) having sex with his sophomore girl friend (15) could be slapped with statutory rape even though the sex is consensual. I'm a "save it for marriage" kind of girl, but I understand the difference between two teenagers having sex and a man forcibly raping a girl.

    Now...can we get back to the subject at hand and stop the ridiculous cat fighting.

     
  • Mark W posted at 11:09 am on Tue, Jul 24, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Rationale- look, quite frankly, I've already explained more than I ever needed to you. I stated MANY, MANY post ago that I represented myself in court, so this is not new. I DID represent myself (pro-se), and when the PO showed up (I was seeking early termination that time), she got to say her peice (objecting to my early termination), and I had the right to cross-examine. I caught her in numerous lies (you should have seen the look on the judges face at her level of incompetency). Perhaps in your state it's called an Alford plea, that term is new to me. Plus this couldn't have been an Alford plea, because I did plead guilty, I simply argued mitigating circumstances. Obviously, I'm speaking in regards to MY state and how it works HERE, it may be completely different in yours: I don't know. Stop comparing apples to oranges: "if the government requests it"- of course they can unseal it, BUT IM NOT WORRIED ABOUT the government or law enforcement. I just don't want YOU (or any other private citizen) having such immidiate and easy access to my information. No, in my state I did not have to sign a release, but then again, the PO was not required to testify. She opened the gates, which allowed me to cross. See, she didn't care for my arrogance either, and thought she was going to show up and rain on my parade. She learned the hard way: if you come at me (legally, physically, intellectually, etc) BE PREPARED. She underestimated my strategy, and that was her downfall. You sound like a PO yourself with all the question: I fired my attorney as soon as he got me out of jail (3 days), and my first motion was filed probably (this was a long time ago) within 6 months. Probation had a nasty habit of demanding I do things that I didn't have to do. The best though was when they threatened to violate because I owed close to $3k grand in back fees. I told probation I would pay it at the END, when I'm released. They said, "it doesn't work that way". So, I took it Back to court and guess what? fees waived. If you go back and READ, you'll see I already stated that I filed 11 motions and won 10.

     
  • Rationale posted at 10:06 am on Tue, Jul 24, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Mark W,

    An Alford plea is where you admit there is enough evidence to convict, but you don't admit guilt. (Which has been your stance)

    In withheld judgments, you are, indeed, guilty. And, after a certain amount of time, your record is usually expunged (like it never existed), so you would not require clemency.

    So which is it? They are not the same.

    As for your belief that you can put on a job app, "No." That depends on the state, and also on the position you are applying to. For example, if you have a withheld judgment for embezzling and you apply for a fiduciary position, you will have to check "Yes" for the conviction. And, once again, each state is different. As for "sealed" records, if the government requests it, your record is not sealed.

    The reason you are on the list is because you were actually found guilty. Withholding a judgment doesn't change anything.

    By the way, now you were your own attorney and cross-examined a PO? No judge would allow that, unless you signed a release prior to the hearing stating you cannot use your lack of legal training as a grounds for appeal. So what motion did you file which would allow you to represent yourself? How long before the hearing did you fire your attorney? (Or, how long was the recess in the courtroom while you signed the release) And I highly doubt you were better than the other attorney.

    Seriously, dude, either you walk around with a pair of tights and cape under your clothes, or you are full of...and I'm pretty sure they already killed off Superman.

     
  • Mark W posted at 9:58 am on Tue, Jul 24, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    In regards to your "questioning my financial status", you are correct that people with money don't need to brag. In my physical life, I don't need to say a word: my jewelry, suits and sports car do the talking for me. I was simply trying to paint for you a picture, to better illustrate the quality of my life. It's not bragging, but since you don't personally know me, and i cant post pictures (not that I would), it's the only way I can describe how I live, despite the list. See people can't fathom that a person can be on this list (even for a "crime" as petty as mine) and still live a successful life. You said it perfectly, you expect I would live in my mothers basement eating frozen dinners. That assessment is about as accurate as "all sex offenders wear trench coats, drive commercial vans, and hang out at parks": it simply doesn't work that way.

     
  • Mark W posted at 9:42 am on Tue, Jul 24, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Oh, and it's funny you would bring up Law and Order. In one of my hearings, I presented an especially compelling argument, and consequently, my probation officer at the time got held in contempt of court (she was lieing on the stand, and I called her on it on cross). Anyways, one of the attorneys came up to me afterwords and asked me if I had ever studied law or if maybe I was a paralegal. My response was "No, I just watch a lot of Law and Order". The ENTIRE courtroom got a laugh out of it (even the Judge). The probation officer was consequently fired.

     
  • Mark W posted at 9:34 am on Tue, Jul 24, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    It's called a withhold of adjudication. The withhold means although the court had everything needed to convict, they reserved judgement. I can't believe with all your "legal knowledge", that one didn't cross your mind. You know that part on an application that asks "have you ever been CONVICTED of a crime?" Well legally, I can put "No". I can vote, serve on a jury, etc. Technically, I could get a CCW, but I'm sure with a background check, my being on the registry would come up. Ironically, I could give you my full name and social security number, and if you contacted the court, they would tell you this never happened (record is sealed), however, I'm still on the registry, which I'm sure you can agree, makes no sense, and yet it is. In my state, there are a limited number of ways to get removed, clemency would be the fastest and easiest for me. I really don't need to be forgiven for the crime, as, even according to the courts, there is no crime. But I do need it to get off this list. Again, if you've never been in this position, or know someone who has, you can't possibly understand how complicated these cases are.

     
  • Rationale posted at 8:51 am on Tue, Jul 24, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Get to the point? Did you ever pass 3rd grade English?

    Point 1: You are, indeed a rapist.

    Point 2: Your denial that you did anything wrong is evidence that you are not "reformed" and you cannot be trusted.

    Point 3: Let's see: you are rich, have friends that worship you, you travel everywhere, your wife sees nothing wrong with you being a rapist and supporting fellow rapists, and she is a CWP carrying, third degree black belt. And you supposedly can beat up the world. And your story comes right out of SVU. You supposedly were never convicted, but you are required to register. You are supposedly going to get "clemency." Tell us, how (and why) do you require clemency if you were never convicted? You see, clemency is given to forgive you of a crime. You weren't convicted, so you committed no crime, so clemency is moot. Oh, wait, you DID commit a crime, but lie and claim you were never convicted. Clemency, by definition, requires that you have committed a crime and have been found guilty. So which is it?

    Point 3 says you are full of...


     
  • Mark W posted at 7:51 am on Tue, Jul 24, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Rationale- more blah, blah blah. Lol, are you EVER going to say anything constructive or even, just get to the point of your ramblings?

     
  • Rationale posted at 11:43 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Joseph,

    Don't fear this guy. He's a lying blowhard. He's rich, has tons of money, friends that worship him, women that don't care that he raped a 14 year old girl, and yet his story comes right out of a t.v. show.

    In other words, he's so full of s@#$ his eyes are brown.

    And although he thinks he's so smart, if I want to find out who he really is, I'll simply make one call to my wife's grandfather. He's retired FBI. Better still, I've got a friend who works for the Army as a Top Secret computer programmer. He'll track that floating IP address within 24 hours!


     
  • Rationale posted at 11:35 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Mark,

    Vacations mean nothing to me, because I like the mountains. I like camping, fishing, and hiking.

    As for your money, who cares? My brother made twice as much as you last year. My best friend makes 3 times as much as you...and neither are convicted rapists. Unlike you, I'm married to my beautiful wife, and have been for over 20 years. And yes, she's smokin' hot. But here's one thing...you keep bragging about all your supposed money. Why is it that everybody I know with money never talks about their money? Yet you have to make a point of telling us how much you make, how big your house is, etc.? That's the sign of someone who is probably embellishing. Is your New Year's Asia vacation really just you standing on the roof of the Top o' China Buffet? Is your 7500 sq. ft. home a tent on the KOA campground?

    You had no girlfriends when you were young...only rape victims.

    As for how cool you think you were...well, unfortunately for you, you just think you were cool. As for all your claims, you have no clue...but I guarantee I was a heck of a lot cooler...and my coolness didn't end with me raping a 14 year old girl! But I do have a nice trophy case.

    I know everything there is to know about you based on this site. But you don't know anything about me. Me, a failure? I'm doing just fine, thanks. Better than you, in fact, because I don't walk around knowing I raped a 14 year old girl. And I'm modestly successful. My only debt is a 3000 sq. ft. home. I own my three vehicles, and I have a decent nest egg. So far this summer, I've gone to Yellowstone, Glacier, and Mt. Rushmore...places I actually want to go.

    And did I mention I don't have a label of rapist hanging over me?

    As for your friends, it says everything about them that they would support a loser who has no integrity and cannot admit he raped a 14 year old girl. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if they were all convicted felons and drug dealers. After all, they have such a fine, upstanding rapist as yourself that they pledge allegiance to.

    As for New Year's in Asia, thanks, but no thanks...you see, I'm not impressed by the rest of the world. I've already traveled enough (thanks to Uncle Sam) to know that the best thing about most foreign countries is the brochures. I'll save my money and enjoy what I have right here in the good ol' U.S.A. If I go anywhere, it will be when my kids are done college, and it will be Macchu Picchu

    And for the record, Joseph, Jr. and I are not the same person. But with your obviously dizzying intellect, you were able to determine we were one and the same. Smooth move, Ex Lax...but don't quit your day job...

    And the fact you can't admit fault shows that at 18, you were obviously 10 years old mentally...and never grew intellectually from that point on. Your story you've concocted...I saw that one on a Law & Order, SVU rerun not too long ago. At least you could be original.

    Do me a favor, on New Year's, jump off that building in Asia without a parachute and rid the world of another Joseph Duncan vermin!

     
  • Mark W posted at 10:35 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    One last thing- when its the "victims" idea to have sex, that's rape, but when Law Enforcement then TELLS the victim they WILL submit to an invasive rape-kit, even though the victim is adamant they don't want to, THAT'S not rape?!?! I would argue the "treatment" the victim receives from LE is MORE mentally and emotionally scarring than the sex itself. I guess up really is down, and the sky really is red.

     
  • Mark W posted at 10:18 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    First the cheap shots, then the passive aggressive comments, then you accuse me of making passive agrresive comments, then you're James Bond (I have ways to check on you), now you resort to mimicking me (I type "please continue.... You respond with "keep on writing Marky?!? Really?!? Thats the best you got?!? This like debating with a 5 year old! Geebus! You weren't the brightest bulb in your creative writing class,now where you?

     
  • Mark W posted at 10:10 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    You didn't do so well in creative writing, did you?

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 9:59 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    The CDA PRESS has my IP Address. The address provides my internet provider, city and state.

    I only post under one screen name.

    I do not post vile or threatening comments.

    CDA Press can email or contact me at any time.

    Jes' keep on posting big boy!

    Kind of like a public service of sorts. Law enforcement need all the help they can get.

     
  • Mark W posted at 9:53 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    I hope officers DO see my comments: I haven't threatened anyone, I sure if they really WANTED to find me they could, but I seriously doubt the going to conduct an "in-depth investigation" and put out an APB just for you Jr. You really arent that important.

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 9:53 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    Keep on writing Marky...

    We can't wait for your next comment.

     
  • Mark W posted at 9:49 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Sounds like you've watched one too many episodes of COPS. Didn't that show go off the air YEARS ago? Well, I guess you could still watch re-runs on public broadcasting.

     
  • Mark W posted at 9:46 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Jr- you're so quaint. Hahaha, please keep typing. We're all going to have a laugh at your expense tommorrow night around the pool table. Please continue....

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 9:44 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    Keep on writin' Marky!

    We all look forward to the intelligent and rational comments you post.

    You're our hero Mark W.!

    At least if you're busy on the computer all day (doing God knows what...), you're not out in public.

     
  • Mark W posted at 9:41 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    More cheap shots, is that going to be the extent of you interactive skills?

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 9:40 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    I am about 100% certain, that officer's from Kootenai County, post comments here and also read comments and stories.

    Makes me think these folks deserve a raise, considering the types of people they must deal with.

     
  • Mark W posted at 9:39 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    I just realized- as much as you accuse me of being different people, you sirs, Joseph and rationale are indeed the same person. Anyone interested (not that this is really interesting) look at the use and context of the word "Nope" in joseph's comment @8:41, and then earlier, as "rationale" @5:41. See how easy that was?!? Splitting your personalities to self-engrandize? Please stop while you're behind.

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 9:36 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    I am praying that the CDA PRESS is allowing you to continually post your vile, hateful and even threatening comments, so that federal law enforcement will have a solid reason to obtain a subpoena/warrant for your IP ADDRESS and pay you a vist.

    There's no reason you should be allowed to post in any respectible forum.

    As they say, "You're your own worst enemy."


    Bad boy, bad boy, what cha' gonna' do when they come for you?"

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 9:32 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    Your mind is twisted. I'll bet the boys in prison really like you.

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 9:27 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    Mark W....................It is shocking, that someone with your imagination and manipulative skills is walking free.

    Now, I have heard that some prisons nationwide actually allow prisoner's to use computers. Would you be incarcerated at one of these prisons?

    Love to see your Social Security Statement, sent out by the U.S Government. I pay the max in SS, I'll bet you have paid in nothing. There is a maximum, believe it or not.

    Hey, you were bragging about being rated a B+ by the BBB. I responded that ANYONE can become a member of the BBB, simply by paying a fee each year. Even the local crack dealer can become a member. You don't even need a license of any sort, or to be registered by the state.

    You are obsessed with talking about females in general,and not in a respectable way, even the one you raped.

    You use language unfit for any conversation, outside of prison walls. Prison talk? I bet the big boys really liked you in there. How was it? Pretty good...? Are you in need of anger management counseling?

    Yeah MARK W., you're really intersting. Any first year psychology student could spot your deep seeded emotional issues.

    What'd yer' daddy do fer'a livin'? HUH? How bout' yer' mama? I am guessing at all of you having 8th grade educations, and generational prison stints.

    Your imagined claim that you are a "businessman," are unbelievable. Is it McD's or BK that let you go last? Still hoping for a job delivering pizza's, except your car doesn't run so well, and you have no insurance?

    How is the ol' trailer house? Or is it yer' mama's basement?

    Something tells me, you don't talk like you write in public.

     
  • Mark W posted at 9:19 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Taking you awhile to respond Jr. Here's a hint- don't think too hard, you don't want to pop that last brain cell.

     
  • Mark W posted at 9:17 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    "Unlike you, I have a way of checking people out. And, I do...."
    Is THAT a threat, jr? CDA, you better check Joseph JR.! He likes checking people out! Omg- I just laughed so hard, Pinot came out my nose!

     
  • Mark W posted at 9:11 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Mark W Sr. Your turn.

     
  • Mark W posted at 9:11 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Jr, only children stoop so low as cheap shots. You don't know me, don't pretend that you do. I can guess (with all certainty), that in the physical world, you and I run in different circles.

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 9:08 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    CDA PRESS..............Check the IP Address of MRINFO against MARK W.

    Same person I'll bet.

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 9:07 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    Unbelievable!

    I suspect COCOCO is a 2nd screen name for Mark W.

     
  • Mark W posted at 9:07 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Yo Jo, paranoid much?

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 9:06 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    Mr INFO....You are a little too into this. What is going on in your head?

     
  • Mark W posted at 9:05 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    I posted my real name, just like you did, right Joseph?

     
  • Mark W posted at 9:04 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Hey JR, -LOL, LOL! I don't owe my NON-victim a thing! Ever heard of casual sex? I knew my "victim" for 4 days before we "bumped uglies". Again, HER idea, not mine.

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 9:04 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    Unlike you, I have a way of checking people out. And, I do...

     
  • Mark W posted at 9:02 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Are you accusing me of attempting to groom a rapist?!? That's kind of backwards ain't it? You know that expression- "better to keep your mouth shut and have others THINK you're a fool, than to open it and confirm"- you sir, fit the bill perfectly.

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 9:02 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    How about you post your name?

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 9:01 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    I'll bet you're either 118 pounds, pimple faced, living in some filthy trailer

    OR

    about 300 pounds, greasy, smelly, living on frozen dinners in mama's basement.

    Bwa hahahhaha!

     
  • Mark W posted at 9:00 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Ok Jr, ever heard of freedom of speech. Anyone with a have a brain can tell the difference between a threat and "not a threat". But you're part of Rationale's crew so what should I expect. You can not silence me- lol.

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 8:59 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    You had relations with someone, and you didn't know enough about them to even know their age?

    I'll bet you need lots of anti-viral medication.

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 8:58 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    You owe the girl you victimized. You're just too evil to recognize it.

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 8:56 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    Hey COWARD....You like to use other people's names. How about you post your own?

    You pea brained little mouse of a man.

    I'll bet you have a difficult time with women?

     
  • Mark W posted at 8:56 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Hey, welcome back Jr. I didnt know you were part of the Blah-Blah-blah committee. Just another Holier-than-thou comment. Oh, and about the legal name, yes genius, did that already. Where do you think I found him. Of course, if he wants to use an alias, why would I use his real name in my comment. Try to think a little more coded, maybe you can keep up.

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 8:54 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    Attempting authority by offering praise.

    Anyone ever heard of "grooming?" That IS what offender's do. They make friends manipulatively...because they are predators.

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 8:51 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    RATIONALE! Do not stoop to this guys level. We wish no harm on anyone. It is people like Mark W who are dangerous, and want to suck you into their evil lives and minds.

    CDA PRESS. Get this guy off your online paper. He is harassing posters and his posts are concerning.

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 8:48 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    MR INFO....You are trying to reason with someone who is trying to frighten posters. The guy needs help that you cannot provide.

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 8:47 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    Men have self control, physically, mentally and emotionally. This guy has no self control whatsoever. Yesterday, he claimed he had a new IP ADDRESS (overseas server), which changed every 24 hours.

    Where are the fed's on this guy? This guy not right.

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 8:45 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    Rationale, this fellow is not right.

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 8:45 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    I believe you are one sick individual. No one talks or even thinks the way you do, except for...

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 8:44 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    You might begin with locating his legal name.

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 8:41 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    Shame on Hasslinger and the CDA Press. A high school kid could have done more research by starting with the Kootenai Sheriff Department website. Is there something that motivated Hasslinger to name the article "No Second Chance"?

    I would expect anyone to be concerned, if they lived near a RSO. What was the intent of the government to create this register?

    IF I were a offender of any kind, and wished for my neighbors to accept me, I WOULD NOT advertise that I was holding meetings at my home for other offender's. Nope, I would not do that. It seems to me, that would be passively aggressively threatening them in a public forum. Course, that's just me.

    Also, if a person is no longer an offender of any kind, why would they wish to associate with other offender's? Tell me that?

    Some people are naturally predator's. There's lots of different types of predators. In California there is a handicapped person whom enters public businesses, with the intent of finding something that does not fulfill the requirements of all the ADA rules. This person, then sues businesses all over the state, bankrupting many. So, sometimes the so called victims, are the victimizer's pretending to be victims.

    If I were the CDA PRESS, I would take a second look at "how" this story became a story in the first place.

    Now, if I were a convicted crack dealer, I would not place an ad in the newspaper, seeking to meet with other convicted crack dealers. Nope... I also would not call the newspaper and ask them to write a story about how I want to associate with other crack dealers and I am worried that I am being harassed by my neighbors. Oh, and if my fence posts were loosened (and not negelected), I would not blame my neighbors.

     
  • Mark W posted at 8:24 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Hahaha- what a joke! Bill, if you come across this post, I'm gonna be in contact soon. Ill be contributing $100, by money order. I already found you, so I got the address. That should cover the pizza's, chips and soda. Sorry I can't personally attend, but I sincerely wish you and your guests the best. Keep your head up!

     
  • Mark W posted at 8:13 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    You're not the bad guy Rationale, you're just too stupid to know the difference between the guy "who would tear the insides out of your 3 year old, THEN, go after your wife", from the guy who made a dumb mistake when he was a teenager himself, and you're stupid enough to think they belong in the same category. You hold a CWP, do you believe a .22 and an AR15 belong in the same category? Does a guy who steals a pack of smokes, deserve the same sentence as the guy who robs the bank? In response to EVERYTHING else you said- blah, blah blah, blah blah. I'm sorry your family held you to such a "high standard", you have to take out on me. You're still the joke, on this thread, and off. My friends got a good laugh from your "integrity" comment. Like I said earlier- I'm a SEX OFFENDER, the WORST title anyone can receive in this life, and that hasn't stopped from having a) having my own business b) smoking-hot GFs. c) presently a smoking-hot wife. d) vacations you could only DREAM of (never mind all of my materialistic possessions), e) a wonderful son in college and another in the cradle. f) family, friends and associates that LOVE me and EVERYTHING I stand for. So whats your excuse, with all your "integrity" and "accountability", why has life failed you so miserably, that you worry about someone else's issues, with nothing positive to add, only your BS criticisms? I tell YOU WHAT, this New Years Eve, when I'm on top of one of the tallest buildings in Asia, toasting the New Year, I'll say a little prayer for those less fortunate than myself. As far as a victim, I don't have one, I just broke her in. Now continue with you blah-blah, sorry to interrupt.

     
  • Rationale posted at 5:45 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    MrInfo,

    Please explain why you believe I am the bad guy. Let's see...he raped a 14 year old girl...he refuses to take responsibility...and he supports a guy who was convicted of 1st degree rape. Yeah, those are all honorable reasons to make me out to be a bad guy.

    Fortunately for me, I come from a background where accountability and integrity are demanded, and my friends are all on the right side of the law.

    Pardon me if I don't just jump on the bandwagon...especially when this loser blames a 14 year old little girl. Remember, he was the adult!

    At least when I'm wrong or make a mistake, I admit it!

     
  • Rationale posted at 5:41 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Mark,

    And therein lies your problem. You DID do something wrong. You can't admit it. You have no integrity. The fact you just don't get it shows how stupid you really are. And the people supporting you are just as bad!

    All you do is make excuses for you and Bill Johnson. Once again, you and Bill never apologized or admit you are wrong. It's always somebody else's fault. It couldn't simply be that you are indeed, at fault. Nope....everybody else is at fault for wronging you! He's not an EX-offender....not until he admits he was wrong and shows remorse. Same with you.

    You coerced a 14 year old girl, but you want to blame her, so you do the typical, "She came on to me" defense straight out of Law and Order. Well, pardon me if I don't believe a convicted rapist who refuses to acknowledge that he did something wrong. You have zero credibility...you are the typical witness for all convicted rapists...the best person they can find to vouch for their character is another rapist!

    You say i can't see beyond my nose? Take a look inside, because you have absolutely no integrity. No doubt you are teaching your kid to be a loser just like yourself. "Son, it's ok to be an adult and have sex with a 14 year old...after all, she wanted it!"

    You are the parent who raises a trouble-making little puke who does crappy in school and then blames the teacher. Wait 10 years and get back to us when your kids (or grandkid) is in jail for doing the same thing you did! After all, you've done nothing wrong!

    Your kid is doomed!

    As for all your bravado and physical threats (innuendos), I'm not intimidated in the least bit. First, most of your claims are probably lies...kinda like the gun thing. Your wife and kid have CWP, but you do not...and it's not because you are a felon and can't get one. Let's see, I have a CWP, my wife has a CWP, and our oldest has one...but in your house, your wife is a BB in Karate and a CWP holder.

    And we are supposed to believe you why?

     
  • Mark W posted at 3:44 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Mrinfo- thank you again for your understanding. I'm not trying to defend myself, afterall, I did nothing wrong, so what would I defend. I'm simply trying to impart some wisdom on a simpleton who can't seem to see beyond his nose. If he thinks he's going to troll me, he's truly has lost his mind. By his definition, I'm crazy, and I have no problem talking to myself all day long (lol). But again, thank you for understanding.

     
  • Mark W posted at 3:36 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Rationale- you want to talk about the article at hand?!? Ok, an EX-offender (the last time I checked, his last charge was 36 years ago), is pleading for companionship, friendship. The story has nothing to do with remorse, you entered that.youve adimantly stated he's not getting any from you, so why would you fault him for seeking it from others. In the words of Buggs Bunny- "what a maroon!"

     
  • Mrinfo posted at 3:25 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mrinfo Posts: 12

    Mark look you will never find 100% of the people in this world accepting you will always have some people so hardcore set in their mindset nothing will ever change their minds. Its sad but true, when you have people in this world that stand outside military funerals with signs reading "Gods will was done he hates soldiers" these people just cant be changed and are mentally ill and after comments just made by that one guy i firmly believe he is that type of guy i just described.

    What you did which may of been illegal in some states and other states legal has been going on for a lot longer than just your 1 case and its still going on todays. Teenage girls get fake IDs try to appear older and regardless of anybody religious backround you didnt do a bad thing you just got caught up in the system at a young age

    things would be different if your like in your 30s or older cruising out for young girls or women but that isnt the case. dont defend yourself to people like Rationale you will never get anywhere as hes only doing things to make you mad and trolling you. Im sure hes doing it for a laugh

     
  • Mrinfo posted at 3:15 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mrinfo Posts: 12

    Rationale wrote:

    "True justice would be for your wife or future granddaughters to be raped! Then, perhaps, you wouldn't be so smug and you could finally understand that what you did is wrong!"

    ok after reading this you are clearly trolling......you know dam well there is a HUGE difference between forcefully violently raped and a 1 night stand with a girl who lies about her age

    If you wishing violent rape on somebody that doesnt make you any better than the rapist who is doing that.

     
  • Mark W posted at 3:07 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Haha- rationale- that last one is a futile last attempt at reclaiming oneself. You can't win so you resort to wishing Ill on my family- haha- my wife, the 3rd deg. Black belt, getting raped? Ya, that'll be the day. Can't speak about granddaughters, we haven't gotten that far yet, but jeez, you sure are reaching at straws.

     
  • Rationale posted at 2:44 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Mark,

    Your arrogance is astounding. You receiving clemency is what is wrong with our judicial system. Look at your last post: you are spitting at the judicial system. It's probably not Idaho where you were receiving clemency...it's probably California.

    True justice would be for your wife or future granddaughters to be raped! Then, perhaps, you wouldn't be so smug and you could finally understand that what you did is wrong!

    Laugh all you want. Karma is a b!@#$!

     
  • Rationale posted at 2:37 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    cococo,

    Uh, I have already said that some of the laws are pretty stupid...I said he would have gotten a pass if she were 17...or if he was, say, 15 or 16. Had he waited until he was 22 to fulfill his lustful desires, she would have been 18, and society wouldn't care.

    But the fact remains this was sex between 1 adult, and one child who is not at the age of consent. In other words, this wasn't sex between consenting adults like the scenario you created.

    And the fact remains, neither Bill nor Mark is guilty of oral pleasure.

    Those things you bring up are called red herrings...they are smokescreens which try to distract from the article at hand. (And are not often intentional)

    My biggest problem with Mark is his arrogance and refusal to admit what he did is wrong.

    As for Bill Johnson, he was, indeed, convicted of 1st degree rape, not statutory rape, so he'll never get any sympathy from me!

     
  • Mark W posted at 1:50 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Hahahahahlol, roflmao.

     
  • Mark W posted at 1:38 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Haha, oh rash. Let me remind you, I'm not a felon. I can and DO vote. My Label will be removed within 5 yrs (Clemency). Lol, lol, and this is the best one: "it's obvious by your past"- what, one girl wanted it SO badly she lied about her age, and some how, you construe that as force. My, you are obtuse. Let me shed a little more insight- I'm a happily married man, NOW, but before that, I didn't even have to lift a FINGER: the women (and girls) came TO me. You have no clue who I am, and that is SOOO refreshing. Thank you for the laughs.

     
  • cococo posted at 1:21 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    cococo Posts: 146

    "Rationale".....I am not trying to be crude here, but if you, your kids, your parents, any member of your family or anyone you know has ever had oral sex, then they or you have committed a sex crime punishable by life in prison in the State of Idaho and would be a RSO if they or you ever got caught.
    Still don't think you know or do business with any sex offenders who just haven't been caught?

     
  • Rationale posted at 12:25 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Mark,

    Uh, the only loser here is you. You are the rapist. You are the loser who is a felon. You are the loser who can't vote because you are a felon. And you are the loser who has that label for the rest of your life.

    As for me being a loser, now that's funny.

    For the record, it is obvious by your past that the only way you can have sex is when you force it on someone, especially 14 year old girls, so I wouldn't brag if I were you.

     
  • Rationale posted at 12:18 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    cococo and MrInfo,

    Never got caught? No, he was never stupid enough to place himself in that situation. You see, most intelligent people understand that when you reach the age of 18 in this country, you are considered an adult...and you are accountable for your actions. So intelligent people are smart enough to not put themselves in those situations. Which is probably why it is so foreign to you.

    You make it seem like "the norm." Sorry, but being an RSO takes work to be that stupid.

    Yup, girls have been lying about their age forever....and yet 99% of the population are not RSO's.

    All these pathetic "what if's" and "she asked for it.." And zero accountability.

    Excuses are the crutches of the weak.

     
  • Mark W posted at 12:13 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Here's another UnRationale thought: checking I.D.'s isn't necessary in a bar either, right? I mean, you get carded at the door, so EVERYONE is 21 and over, right? Then why are there NUMEROUS guys on the list for picking up a girl at a bar, with a fake I.D. only to find out the girls real age once the cops show. Normally the parent files a complaint, or the girl is heartbroken, when she finds out she was in love, and he was in lust.

     
  • Mark W posted at 11:54 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Very good point Cococo@11:04.

     
  • Mark W posted at 11:51 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Just admit you're a loser already.
    "I have more kids than you" that doesn't prove anything. That's like saying, "I'm married, so I can't be gay". Haha- you probably are a fruit. Athlete- doubt it, unless you count your typo-thon, in which case you take the silver medallion. "Hanging out with people my age"- ya funny thing, she was introduced to me, by a friend, who was also my age (she lied to him to), only he didn't get caught.

     
  • 5inPfs posted at 11:43 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    5inPfs Posts: 765

    Rationale, Mark has several times explained that the sex was consensual--therefore NOT rape. The reason he is on the registry is a crime of being the wrong age.

    Secondly...Charles Manson and Joseph Duncan were both murderers--bringing them into the discussion is overkill.

     
  • Mrinfo posted at 11:10 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mrinfo Posts: 12

    he did not break any law so we cant lock him away.

    Why should "Hollywood" be any different than real life?

    I was just trying to prove a point to you about todays girls what some of them look like you would have ZERO clue on how old they are but you skipped that point i see

    IF I had a teenage girl i would be very cautious of everything she does i probably wouldnt let her date anybody at all at the age of 14 however if she were to lie to some guy who was 17 or 18 or however old i would 1st tell him my daughters real age and tell him he needs to leave her alone.

    secondly i would punish her for lying and doing such things.

    I would not get police involved and ruin the guys life over a girl lying

    And i hate to break this to you but when you turn 18 years old or late teens early 20s you dont automatically know everything you are still a "kid" yourself in many ways there is a HUGE growing up adjustment to do once you step out of highschool (which btw some dont even graduate until 18 or 19)

     
  • cococo posted at 11:04 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    cococo Posts: 146

    "He just never got caught" was directed at the roommate of "Rationale".

     
  • Mrinfo posted at 11:02 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mrinfo Posts: 12

    Rationale wrote:
    Funny thing...my roommate, a drummer in a successful local band...had plenty of groupies...how is it he never raped a 14 year old?

    that he or you "knew" of.....

    You do realize an under age girl can have a fake ID be in a bar and if you touch her you are STILL to blame right?

    girls have been lying about there ages before you or I were ever born

     
  • cococo posted at 11:00 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    cococo Posts: 146

    He just never got caught.

     
  • Mark W posted at 10:56 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Oh and let clarify a point you misdirected many, many posts ago: my "victim" was 15, not 14. You confused that with what I said about Joshua Lungsford, whose victim WAS 14.

     
  • Rationale posted at 10:54 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Mark W,

    Once again, blame her.

    Checking I.D.s isn't necessary when you hang around people your age. What's an 18 year old doing hanging around with 14 year olds?

    As for your side note, I have more kids than you, so I'd say probably more than you. As for my younger years, I benefited from having a drummer as a roommate...so my weekend "excursions" were plentiful. Of course, being an athlete didn't hurt either.

    Funny thing...my roommate, a drummer in a successful local band...had plenty of groupies...how is it he never raped a 14 year old?

     
  • Mark W posted at 10:50 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    You are so irRationale it's not even funny. So you believe because it's Hollywood, that makes OK? Because it's "not the real world", that makes ok? Or because the LAW says 51-16 is legal and 18-14 isn't, that makes it ok? You sure have an awkward sense of right and wrong. Here's what I think: Rape is wrong. The law says what I did was rape, BUT, by most peoples common-sense definition of rape (you know, to force someone into a sexual act) then I did NOT commit rape. And since I haven't raped anybody, why should I admit or apologize for it. The only entity I owed a debt to were the courts, and I paid that. I don't owe you ANYTHING.

     
  • Mark W posted at 10:41 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    "girl: mom, dad I just met this really great guy...." that WASN'T you Rationale? Are there more than one Rationale on here, posting? Thats the monologue I was referring to.

     
  • Mark W posted at 10:39 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Sorry Rash- SHE lied about her age, the lie was believable, and we had sex because WE wanted to. No I don't no about you, but when I was 18, I wasn't checking I.D.'s, but I guess that's what this world is coming to. On side note- you dont get laid very often, do you?

     
  • Rationale posted at 10:34 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Uh, MrInfo,

    First, the 51 and 16 year old marriage...the guy should be locked away.

    Second, we are talking about 14...not 15, 16, or 17.

    Third, dating and having sex can be mutually exclusive.

    Fourth, would you let your 14 year old daughter have sex with an 18 year old? Would you let her date an 18 year old? If so, why?

    Fifth, Hollywood is not the real world, and what celebrities do is so far removed from reality, it's sick. And deifying Hollywood and their lifestyle is exactly what's wrong with parents!

    Finally, the biggest issue is the lack of remorse from either Mark or Bill. By saying they are not sorry, they are admitting they would do it again!!!

     
  • Rationale posted at 10:18 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Mark W,

    What did I write about a girl going to her parents?

    Let's see, when I grew up, I didn't have to worry about dating someone "so young." Our family was strict, so I didn't date until I was 16. I was also taught that if you had to guess a young lady's age, it wasn't worth it. I also had to meet the parents before the first date. Unlike you, we were taught to respect young ladies.

    Self-righteous? Hardly.

    Here's a word you can neither spell nor define: accountability. I would be less harsh if you and Bill would actually admit you did something wrong and it was your fault. Instead, you whine about a stigma and blame a 14 year old girl.

    You want someone to forgive you and let you move on? Then man up and admit you raped that girl...because you did.

     
  • Mark W posted at 10:16 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    I find it funny that any time I post certain "famous" people's names and the things they've said or done, my comments fail to appear. There are at least 5 missing posts of mine.

     
  • cococo posted at 10:02 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    cococo Posts: 146

    Please be aware "rationale"....intelligence without wisdom can be far more damaging than ignorance.

     
  • cococo posted at 9:57 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    cococo Posts: 146

    "Rationale".....The term I should use in describing you is "fool".......because while I'm not sure to the extend of your intelligence, it is obvious that you lack wisdom. You seem to be incapable of discerning the difference between the crimes of a monster like Joseph Duncan and the act of sex between a 17 year old girl and a 18 year old boy when both the boy and girl are in agreement to have sex. Their act is defined as "rape" because the girl is incapable of giving consent in the State of Idaho due to her age. Yes, what they do sure seems to be "normal" conduct in today's society. If we apply your inability to discern the difference in these crimes than it would be necessary to arrest a large percentage of the local high school and brand them for life as RSOs.

     
  • Mark W posted at 9:32 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    I like your style Rationale: self righteous on your lonely high-horse. Get over yourself already.
    Lol- what a pathetic loser you are! For hating offenders so much, you sure do give me a lot of air time. You're a joke.

     
  • Mark W posted at 9:23 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    BTW Rationale- when was the last time YOU dated someone SO YOUNG, they had to ask their parents for permission, or even tell them, that they're dating you? Your little monologue below about the girl going to her parents, that may be the dumbest thing you've posted so far, it would make some kind of sense if I was 15, but I'm not. My wife never had to consult with anyone about whether she wanted to see me.

     
  • cococo posted at 9:19 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    cococo Posts: 146

    "Rationale".......Please try to comprehend what you read before your fingers start running off at the keyboard.

     
  • Rationale posted at 9:00 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    cococo,

    Three fingers pointing back? Apparently, in your warped world, rape is normal and acceptable? Apparently, your family raised you to think rape is just a part of normal society.

    Idiots? The idiots are the sex offenders. You have two in your family, which merely shows what values your family looks for in a human being. Wow, aim high!

    Respected by the "intelligent" members? Really? I don't know a single intelligent person who believes rape is a good thing. Tell you what, put a sign in your business window that says you support Mark W or Bill Johnson...watch how fast your business dies!

    Here's a reality check for you: Neither Mark nor Bill Johnson are remorseful. Neither has apologized...and Mark denies doing anything wrong and blames a 14 year old girl!

    Mind-boggling issue? What is so mind-boggling? Rape and murder are crimes that you can't take back from the victims, which is why there are lifelong stigmas attached to them. It's not like you stole something and can make restitution. The victims of rape live with the consequences for life...so why shouldn't the scumbag perpetrator?

    Go ahead, cococo...place that sign in your door. While your at it, why don't you place a "Free Joseph Duncan" sign on your store window! I'm sure you feel he has been wrongly stigmatized as well.

     
  • Mrinfo posted at 8:42 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mrinfo Posts: 12

    Joseph Jr. wrote:

    2. You state you are a "father." Then how would you feel if your new neighbor was a convicted sex offender? Would you be asking them to babysit or have a barbecue with your wife and children?

    1st of all you can re-ask this question in many different ways.

    would you feel ok to have a barbecue with your wife and children if your next door neighbor is a : Murder? violent person? Gang banger? drug lord? murderer? bank robber? thief? beats his wife and kids?

    Their are no registry's for them and many many other crimes but you wouldnt blink twice of going over to their house and the reason why is because you will never know of what they did in their past because they served there sentence and have moved on with their lives

    people deserve a chance of turning their lives around and not all sex offenders are raping maniacs the over whelming majority of them are 1st time offenses and most of them are stupid mistakes

    Now are their real scary people out in this world? yes their most certainly is and i feel those people should be locked up forever however that percentage isnt very high

     
  • Mrinfo posted at 8:34 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mrinfo Posts: 12

    i see many people on here spouting off on emotional feelings here and nobody bringing up any real facts, you have 1/3rd of the registry consisting of children that is over 300,000 children and growing by the day. the SAME registry thats "supposedly" there to protect them (which btw it hasnt and is a huge waste of money) is now ruining their lives and having people like some of you think they are all child molesting raping freaks of nature which isnt the case at all.

    when the registry 1st appeared the laws were set that there was i think 10 ways you can be on that and all of them included violence or raping a very small child. today the politicians have over blown it with well over 200 different ways to land you on there.

    Many of you on here have probably committed some of these crimes and probably have something in your house right this very second you deem innocent that can wind you up on a registry

    the most common one is if you have kids if you ever took pictures of them as a child naked in the bath tub. Believe it or not that is "child porn" and each picture you have can net you 5 years in prison.

    Another weird thing is say your mother took pictures of you naked in a bath tub and she passed away you took all her photo albums. You can STILL be charged with child porn even if its a naked picture of Yourself as a child which is incredibly stupid but its true

    In today's world they are charging 6 year old's with felony's for playing doctor

    http://jonathanturley.org/2011/11/25/family-sues-wisconsin-prosecutor-after-she-charges-6-year-old-boy-with-first-degree-sexual-assault-after-playing-doctor/

    the odds are that your kids will become sex offenders than be molested by one

     
  • Mrinfo posted at 8:22 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mrinfo Posts: 12

    Rational you said "18 & 14? You ARE a sick predator. Nothing else needs to be said. You should have been locked away forever, you sick freak! "

    Rational id like you to take a look at the following weblink:

    http://shine.yahoo.com/love-sex/16-year-old-weds-51-year-old-quot-lost-quot-star-why-we-still-cant-process-it-2500540.html

    Im sure you've heard of it the movie star who married the 16 year old? now please tell me that girl looks like she is in her young 20s and NOT 16. If you come back and tell me she looks like shes 16 or younger i will call you a Liar.

    Now some girls today are hitting puberty as young as 8 or 9 years old these days their body's are maturing at a MUCH faster rate than they were a few decades ago and some of these 13 14 15 year olds girls now look 17 18 19 years old WELL before they should.

    I am in my young 30s now myself and when i was in school i remember a few girls with well developed breasts and features back when i was in like 7th grade but back then it was a few today you go look at some of these high school girls and your like HOLY cow she cant be only 16 or 17 years old.....i think i saw her at the bar last night.

    Id also like to point out before this whole "sex craze" hysteria took over the nation our parents and grandparents would under todays laws ALL be sex offenders pretty much. it was "common place" for guys who were seniors in high school or late teens or young 20s to date freshman girls or girls still in highschool. it was SO the norm it was featured in MANY movies even up until the 80s

    Under todays laws not only would most likely half of your older generation family be sex offenders for commiting crimes your shouting about is "Vile and wicked" but so would many famous people such as Elvis Presely (he was in his 20s and prasilla was like 15 or 16), also former presidents and like the entire founding fathers of our country just about.

    SO please before you spout off realize what your saying is all i ask

     
  • Mrinfo posted at 8:20 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mrinfo Posts: 12

    Rational id like you to take a look at the following weblink:

    http://shine.yahoo.com/love-sex/16-year-old-weds-51-year-old-quot-lost-quot-star-why-we-still-cant-process-it-2500540.html

    im sure youve heard of it the movie star who married the 16 year old? now please tell me that girl looks like she is in her young 20s and NOT 16. If you come back and tell me she looks like shes 16 or younger i will call you a Liar.

    Now some girls today are hitting puberty as young as 8 or 9 years old these days their body's are maturing at a MUCH faster rate than they were a few decades ago and some of these 13 14 15 year olds girls now look 17 18 19 years old WELL before they should.

    I am in my young 30s now myself and when i was in school i remember a few girls with well developed breasts and features back when i was in like 7th grade but back then it was a few today you go look at some of these high school girls and your like HOLY cow she cant be only 16 or 17 years old.....i think i saw her at the bar last night.

    Id also like to point out before this whole "sex craze" hysteria took over the nation our parents and grandparents would under todays laws ALL be sex offenders pretty much. it was "common place" for guys who were seniors in high school or late teens or young 20s to date freshman girls or girls still in highschool. it was SO the norm it was featured in MANY movies even up until the 80s

    Under todays laws not only would most likely half of your older generation family be sex offenders for commiting crimes your shouting about is "Vile and wicked" but so would many famous people such as Elvis Presely (he was in his 20s and prasilla was like 15 or 16), also former presidents and like the entire founding fathers of our country just about.

    SO please before you spout off realize what your saying is all i ask :)

     
  • cococo posted at 8:12 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    cococo Posts: 146

    I'm Baaaaaaaack. OMG, I can hardly keep up. First let me tell you that "smoove" was so far over the edge and that is why her comment was removed and her account was blocked.....I know because I called to report the posting.

    "Mark W" is 100% right on every post so far. I am not a RSO but there are 2 in my family. I am a local businessman and told by many, very respected in the community and neighborhood, at least by the intelligent members of both. Go ahead and put up your postings blasting me now.....I know you will and that is why I tried to check out of this closed minded conversation.

    "Mark W".....I just had to comment again to show you and these idiots that not everybody thinks like them. Closed minded people like them are just too emotionally draining......too hung up on typos and math to have a real conversation with. They are too young or ignorant to realize that when they point a finger at a RSO.....there are 3 fingers pointing back at themselves.

    I do however applaud some of the earlier posting from many people that do understand how to have a conversation and are capable of comprehending such a mind boggling issue.

    "Mark W"......I wish you and your family continued blessings and happy lives. Please be careful to not be drawn into these peoples pathetic little worlds.....they really are not worth it. These postings will all be gone in another few hours anyway.

     
  • Mrinfo posted at 8:10 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mrinfo Posts: 12

    Rationale honestly it depends on the state, in some states its 18 no matter what two 17 year olds can be dating and on the birthday of the 18 year old (normally a male) now all of a sudden he is a "Monster" and out to harm little kids and we need to lock this "pervert" up for ever and hope he doesnt get out to go molest people again.....which btw is BS

    in other states the age of consent varies it can range from 14 years old to 17 it really all depends on the local laws. So in one state your a "Sexual Deviant" in other states its 100% legal

     
  • Rationale posted at 7:34 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    And, by the way, Mark, raping a 14 year old IS sexual deviancy!

     
  • Rationale posted at 7:33 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Mark,

    Typical pathetic response..."I didn't know she was 14!" "It was her fault...she wanted it."

    Yes, Mark, it is rape, because you were an adult and she was 14! You'd get a pass if she was 17, but 14? You are disgusting!

    And if you can't tell the difference between a 14 year old and a 17 year old, you aren't as smart as you think! Sorry, but the behaviors of a 14 year old and 17 year old are vastly different. Among other traits!

    "Raping clients" is merely an extension for you of your sordid past...and you project this behavior on your clients because deep down, you get your kicks raping people! You are not reformed, you are not changed...you are still a rapist, no matter what kind of pathetic spin you put on it!

     
  • Mark W posted at 7:16 am on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Rationale- rape involves sexual deviancy. It involves some level of force or coersion or manipulation. She lied about her age to get me to have sex with her. That's not rape. I will NEVER admit ANYTHING. Raping clients is a figure of speech. No go back to raping mtnman.

     
  • Rationale posted at 10:09 pm on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Mark,

    Lucky for me, I don't do business with rapists...so the chances of you raping me are slim and none, and slim walked out the door a long time ago.

    But at least you finally admit being a rapist...for the first time you actually admit that you rape your clients.

    Now try admitting you raped that girl!

    Funny thing: you spout all this bravado of how great you are...and you don't have the testicular fortitude to admit that you raped that girl!

     
  • Mark W posted at 8:07 pm on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    You guys are still popping off? Ha-ha

     
  • Mark W posted at 7:05 pm on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Rationale- rape my clients? Yup, hope you are one of them.

     
  • Rationale posted at 5:02 pm on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Girl: Mom, Dad, I just met this really great guy....

    Parents: Really, where does he work?

    Girl: He doesn't...he's on probation for raping a little girl!

    Parents: Oh, he's a keeper! We're so proud of you, dear!

     
  • Rationale posted at 4:57 pm on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Mark W,

    If your wife finds it funny, then she is just as sick as you are. You raped a 14 year old girl! And as for your bravado about the girl's father, you would not have handed me anything.

    You were nothing but a punk then, and you obviously haven't grown up since. .

    As for your B+ rating...that's actually low in financial services/insurance...which is no shock considering the "upstanding" owner. Let me guess, your company is successful because...you rape your clients just like you rape little girls!

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 4:41 pm on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    The BBB allows ANYONE to join. ANYONE. You do not even need to be licensed to join the BBB. Few people know this. Just pay the fee once a year, and you can say "I'm a member of the BBB." What a joke you are!

    Why WOULD your wife and son carry concealed weapons? You must have alot of enemies? My financial advisor does not deal in cash, all checks, mostly certified. He does not run around with a gun to protect the checks. Ever heard of a financial advisor being robbed? You are so full of yourself.

    Your neighbor's tell the "new-comers how it works around here."???? Seriously? In the United States of America, there are still some people who are not willing to be dictated to. You imagine that you and your fairy tale neighbors "tell" new comers how it works? You are a sick little man...

    By the way, for someone who apparently is not eally a sex offender, you seem to be very preoccupied with defending registered sex offender's. Why is that?

    It's not difficult to imagine a RSO as a financially successful person. Society is forgiving, but only to those who don't make excuses, but take responsibility.

    It is impossible to imagine someone such as yourself running loose in society,making such absurd claims. Go get yerself nother' beer outta' the fridge. Laughing out loud!

     
  • Mark W posted at 3:46 pm on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Wow- taking the gloves off, huh. Lol- you guys are the pathetic ones. Is it so hard to believe an RSO could lead a successful productive life such as my own? Does your own life SUCK so bad it behooves you to believe I have a better quality of life than your's. You have to resort to name calling? Really?! Lol. I've been on the move all day, so forgive the many typos and grammatical errors. It's hard to respond every 5 minutes and tend to my errands- forgive me. Think what you want, buddy. I'm an RSO, it doesn't (for the most part slow me down), and I can careless what you think of me (I think I already said that). Successful people can't go to church? Then you bring up me threatening people- I didn't threaten anybody, I simply told you how I would RESPOND to a threat. Why can't my wife and son carry? They are legal US citizens and have no crimes under their belts. Business people don't travel overseas? You see how stupid your speculation makes you look? Also, my neighbors don't threaten anyone, they simply tell the new-comers how it works around here. And lastly Jr, how do I EARN your respect? I can't, so I can careless about you and yours. Oh and MY company (as in the company I OWN), is part of the Financial Services Industry. We do consultations, advisory, portfolios, negotiations, auditing- you name it, we probably do it. My company has B+ rating with the BBB.

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 2:45 pm on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    You know what? I'm taking off my gloves.

    You are an extremely ignorant person, with no basic concept of the English language or basic spelling. I am not talking about typo's, you idiot!

    I have no doubt you are a pathological liar, who makes up stories about himself and his imagine "family."

    What kind of successful business person, goes to church, threatens people on the internet, claims their son and wife carry concealed weapons, travels overseas....has a proxy server provide a new IP Address every 24 hours, has neighbors who threaten others who question you....

    Gawd! You are likely some acne pocked greaser, smoking cigarettes or worse, sitting in an old run down mobile home somewhere, looking for attention.

    Find another story to involve yourself in.

    MTN MAN.....................Do not reply this this poster again.

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 2:39 pm on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    I wouldn't be suprised if all you have stated is a total lie, but as they say, "There's always some truth to every lie." Gawd, you are a waste of typing.

    I hope Kooteani County law enforcement are reading this. Using a computer to threaten others, is a federal crime.

    The fellow in this article is asking for understanding and peace. Much different than you.

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 2:32 pm on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    MARK W.

    We do not demand respect. We EARN it.

    Likely, you were taught to demand things. Ring a bell?

    You wrote, "I could be VERY dangerous, when provoked." What are you saying?

    You are a loose cannon, someone I would avoid entirely, even if you were not a RSO.

    What product or service do you provide or sell?

     
  • Mark W posted at 2:28 pm on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    You are finally getting the concept Jr, accept you falsely assume that said company is in the US and thus, has any reason to answer to the US government. Maybe you missed it earlier, but I did say that I travel ALOT, I've made ALOT of friends over-seas (much better people by the way). Even if you could get through even the first proxy, you would still end up outside of the US. You also missed the part about "I'm not worried about law enforcement finding me (that would include the Feds). I value my privacy, if you don't, that's on you.

     
  • MtnMan posted at 2:14 pm on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    MtnMan Posts: 57

    Fear not MarkW, I have no desires to come to your neighborhood, I have no desires to try to track you down. I could care less what your neighbors think of you. You can justify your condoning of murder and rape any way your brain deems to work it out.

    You even agree you cannot repay your debt to society, so what is your complaint then?

    You seem to be trying to make this about poor little MarkWJ, well it isn't, it is about all rapists. We have no guarantees that any of you will never re-offend. And your word means nothing to most of us who do not commit those crimes.

    You don't tell us which state will put you on the SOR for accusation only, because it doesn't exist.
    It is through fear and fear alone that you don't name this non-existent state. Though in your neighborhood it sounds like you have nothing to fear, your neighbors will run to your defense.

     
  • Mark W posted at 2:14 pm on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    I don't think society is nice to everyone, but we all have a certain level of respect we DEMAND. You don't have to like me, but disrespect me, and we have a problem. 2) just because I would be polite and courteous to my new neighbor, doesn't mean I would put my family in danger. I would look up everything I could find on this person, get to know them personally, and then between the information I have and my own gut-feeling, my family and would together determine how me trust him. Babysitting, probably not, barbecue, probably.
    I could be VERY dangerous, when provoked. We all can. Don't expect to poke a hornets nest and not get stung. I'm really getting annoyed at your insinuations that my son is not mine: I stated in an earlier post that I AM older than 36 and my son is 20, I never went to prison, only probation, which successfully got cut in half. My wife and I met while I was on probation. So what in that explanation of events gives you the idea that my son is someone else's- you make no sense. 4) occassionally, a new neighbor will ask about me, and others will tell them about the circumstances of my case, how I'm no threat to anyone, how I've helped them out or picked up there kids from school or loaned them tools, etc. then they'll say something like "this is a close knit community, we all look out for each other, and WE DON'T NEED anyone stirring the pot." then said neighbor will inform me that so-and-so was asking about me, so I can go and meet them personally (you know, to quell any fears about me). RSO or not, you ask about me in my neighborhood, I will find out about- you can ask, but I'll probably show up to answer your questions personally. I do tell people my story, ALL the time. Im very open and honest about my "crime", and most people respond with "oh your not a sex offender", or "geez, I could have been on the list for that", or "I feel so bad for you, you never should have been placed there. But maybe that's WHY my neighbors have such high regard, I went door to door ,meeting with them letting them get to know me. Lastly, if your a businessman and NOT aggressive, you're in the wrong business.

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 1:59 pm on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    What you are saying is incorrect. The Federal Government can and will identify anyone threatening others.

    Of course there are companies which you can log into, with an account (hello!) which will provide a new IP Address each time you use the net. PRoblem is, those IP Addresses will be traced to the company. The compay is only going to spend so much money defending threats made by dangerous individuals, before they provide the real identity and true IP Address to law enfocement.

    It's simply an extra step. There is truly no such thing as a fake IP Address.

    Dude, you must be doing some pretty nasty stuff on your computer, to hire a company to provide you a new IP every 24 hours! Holy S***! Your neighbors defend you? What the **** are you doing on the computer besides posting the passive aggressive threats here on the press? Dude, you are likely a very dangerous individual.

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 1:43 pm on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    MARK W.

    1. If you think society is "nice" to everyone, you are seriously misinformed! Unbelievable comment! People by nature can be kind and caring, jerks, or psychopaths who prey on others.

    2. You state you are a "father." Then how would you feel if your new neighbor was a convicted sex offender? Would you be asking them to babysit or have a barbecue with your wife and children?

    3. Successful and professional business people, do not speak or write like you. You apparently still feel power, by passively aggressively threatening people who don't see things your way. You are likely a very dangerous human being.

    4. You say you get along well with your neighbors. I somehow question this, unless like you they are aggressive people. I have never heard of neighbors putting neighbors in their place, for another neighbor they wish to protect, especially based on a concern about a RSO living in the neighborhood.

    If were charged as an 18 year old, having relations of some sexual kind with a willing 15 year old, then you would explain that to ANYONE who inquired.

    IF you really have a son of adult age who carries a concealed weapon (like your wife...), then that would mean you are over 36 years of age. Adult business men do not post the things you have posted. Aggressive people post the things you have posted.

     
  • Mark W posted at 1:38 pm on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Joseph- Not if youre using a temporary email address. The email address has a fake IP address, that expires at predetermined time (in this case i set it to 24 hours), if for example you where some how able to get the email address attached to my username and wmailed me past the expiration, the email would go nowhere. Likewise, using the email address to locate my IP, youll find a fake. Google temporary email addresses, proxy servers and how to hide your IP address if you dont believe me. if LE wants to find me that's fine. I'm not so concerned with them as I am with vigilantes. Just look what happened a couple weeks ago when a murderer named Patrick Drum went on a killing spree, specifically targeting sex offenders. One of the offenders was living a similar life to mine (James BLanton, only he was a lot younger than me) so forgive me the need to protect my identity. I have made no threats. I stated what my family and I would do IN RESPONSE to a threat, big difference. I'm also NOT encouraging offenders to rape or kill victims, I simply stated its obvious that if you commit a crime, it's human nature to try to cover it up, in sex offenses, that obviously means killing and disposing of victim. There's no threat there. (lol) I have no victims, and therefore have no bodies to dispose of.

     
  • Mark W posted at 1:22 pm on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    If you're trying to set yourself up as a pea-on, you have succeeded. Rape is unacceptable, but so is your attitude towards FORMER offenders. You stop being an offender the moment you a) stop offending (which I have since my one and only crime many years ago). And b) once you pay your debt to the courts (since there is no way to repay society). You've always played nice to society, but you're not being very nice to me, and that is what's bringing out the worst in me. I have children myself, I don't want to see ANY child hurt. But if you can't get it passed your thick skull that I am not just a RSO, but also a father, husband, businessman, neighbor, and so many other titles I have, then I will have no compassion for you either, or anyone else that thinks like you. Like I said previously, I get along with all my neighbors. Occassionally we'll get someone new, they'll try to rebel-rouse, then find THEY are the odd man out. The neighbors put them in their place, I don't have to. You come to my neighbor, don't look for trouble, there won't be any. You look for trouble, you'll find it quickly.

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 1:15 pm on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    FYI: When anyone signs up for service from an internet service provider, the provider designates an IP Address to that customer. That "IP ADDRESS" is logged into every site the user visits. Thus, proof a person was at that site. We may be using anonymous "screen names," but the CDA PRESS has our IP Address, and in the case of making threats, law enforcement can and will hunt us down.

    Law enforcement may subpoena, and get a warrant for the registered user of and IP Address, and locate the poster physically. It's not rocket science.

    Go into GOOGLE: Input the words, "MY IP ADDRESS."


    ANOTHER SUBJECT:

    To the CDA PRESS REPORTER who wrote this article: You provided a street address for the fellow. Why did you do this? Did you consider how many other people may have the same name and live in Rathdrum? Did you do your dilligence, and provide the legal name of the person you wrote about to provide accuracy to the public? Does the editor of the CDA PRESS allow its reporters to write articles from any perspective, and provide misleading and possibly incorrect information?

    It seems to me, the subject of this article desires attention. It seems he placed an ad in the newspaper. Then the person was either contacted by the paper and writer, or contacted the paper requesting an article. Finally, an article was written about possible damage done to his fence posts.

    It has been my experience, that fence posts properly installed, not rotting and needing to be replaced, are somewhat difficult to loosen or remove. I would think it would take a person quite a bit of time to loosen fence posts. But, that's just my experience.

    I live rural. In an area where people find shooting road signs, knocking over mailboxes with bats or 2x4's, and even shooting through mail boxes is somewhat the "norm." My mailbox has a bullet hole through it. Several neighbors have had their mailboxes taken out with baseball bats and shot. None of us are too worried that someone is out to get us. One neighbor whose mailbox was taken out, laughed because his old post was rotten, barely standing, and actually needed replacement. This stuff happens. None of us consider ourselves victims.

    To "Bill" Williams: I would install a motion detector type video camera on your property (maybe several), and make certain all activity is recorded, if you are concerned about the safety of your family or fence being vandalized.

    To all citizens: Please know you can access the registered sex offender site directly through the Kootenai County Sheriff Department website. This allows citizens to search several ways (name, city, etc.). I SUGGEST DOING SO.

     
  • MtnMan posted at 12:52 pm on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    MtnMan Posts: 57

    Here I thought I was playing nice, I have never raped, never murdered, never robbed. But you see condoning these acts as playing nice?

    But you again want to put all of this on me and or society because we believe these crimes to be unacceptable.

    Your words are very much trying to justify, condone, and promote murder and rape.

    Good luck with that.

    But hey, you can always tell the judge and jury you raped and murdered because MtnMan shunned you, see how far that gets you.

     
  • Mark W posted at 12:16 pm on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Not justifying mtnman, just calling a spade a spade. The tougher the laws, the greater incentive to kill the victim. If I'm going to get nailed to the wall anyways, I might as well do all I can to suppress the evidence. Killing and disposing of a victim does that. It's not twisted thinking, its common sense, cops think like this and understand that logic- why can't you? My logic is simple- you wish the worst on me and my "ilk", I wish the worst on you. I'm speaking for sex offenders, your speaking for society. If you wish the worst on sex offenders (longer sentences, death sentences, electrocutions, public humiliation, ostracism, etc), then I, in return, wish the worst for society: MORE (dead) victims. You play nice, I play nice. You play foul, I'll play foul.

     
  • MtnMan posted at 11:57 am on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    MtnMan Posts: 57

    @Mark W

    You really do have a sick twisted mind, not only do you blame society for re-offenders, now you justify them murdering their victims and suggest they do just that! Mark, do you even think before you make such asinine statements?

    You say, "Vengeance will solve nothing."

    I seek no vengeance, nor do I ask others to do so. If you see my hatred of rapists as vengeance, well so be it.

    Seems to me it is the rapists, such as yourself, that are seeking vengeance against society for believing rapists are the ilk of the earth.

    Will a rapist ever take responsibility for their own actions and stop blaming society? Doubtful.

    You fight a losing battle so you accuse me and another poster of raping each other because you disagree with our opinions. How novel. How childish.

     
  • Mark W posted at 11:55 am on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Mtnman and rationale- ROFLMAO! My wife and I both got a laugh out your diatribes. Especially like the part about "sick freak"- you say it like its a bad thing. And my "victims" father DID come to see me and left with his rear handed to him. That assault charge was dropped- self defense.

     
  • Rationale posted at 11:51 am on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    A truly remorseful, "changed" convicted rapist and felon would find ways to help victims of rape instead of helping the rapists!


     
  • Rationale posted at 11:47 am on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Nobody cared enough about the discrepancy because it didn't change the fact he is a convicted rapist and felon. He is not innocent, nor is Mark W.

    Just another smokescreen to try and create sympathy for scumbags.

    They want compassion...yet they never showed compassion for their victims!

    What you reap, so shall ye sow!

     
  • Mark W posted at 11:31 am on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Thank you, Joseph. One point you and I can agree on. I thought I was the only one who noticed the discrepancy.

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 11:25 am on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    QUOTE below the photo posted with the article: "GABE GREEN/Press Born Again Christian and registered sex offender Bill Johnson, Rathdrum, has begun to use faith as a means to repair his life after being convicted of first degree rape 25 years ago."

    This part of the story says "...convicted of rape 25 years ago."


    Another QUOTE inside article: "...convicted of first degree rape in Washington in 1976."

    It has been approximately 36 years since the 1976 conviction, not 25.


    Did the writer mean the fellow was convicted 36 years ago in 1976, and released 25 years ago (about 1988), after serving 12 years in prison?

    If so, shame on the writer. At least get the math correct.

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 10:25 am on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    Mark W.

    YOU AVOIDED ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS I POSTED (below).

    I believe you avoided answering the questions I asked you below, because what you posted was a false account of your personal and legal history.

    Your statement below (8:52 am on Sun, Jul 22, 2012) is not one made by a person with much self control.

    QUOTE: "...perhaps if you and Rationale stopped RAPING each other,..."

    WHY would you write, speak or think like this? The word "rape" has to do with sexual deviance. It is not a word healthy and well balanced people use, unless it is descriptive of a deviant, sexual act.

    You see yourself as a victim. No doubt, you have completely changed the facts regarding your own case.

    No person in the U.S. is on the registered offender list, who was not convicted of such a crime. Being charged is not enough.

    Adam Walsh WAS a small child about 6 years old, who died at the hands of a sexual predator. You wrote: QUOTE: "Patty Wetterling has said this, so has Adam Walsh." Do you mean Adam's father, John Walsh? How much self control and respect for society do you have? Little I suspect.

    You also said, (passive aggressive behavior): "Now excuse, my family and I are going to church."

    Oh puhleeeeze. You are a manipulative, little man (small "m"). What a sick woman your so called wife is for sticking by your side.

    The "son" you claim to have, would need to be an adult (age 18 or over) to have a concealed weapons permit. No doubt, this "son" came from another man. If you've got the "wife" and "son" convinced you are a VICTIM, and actually carring concealed weapons to PROTECT you, then you are truly a very sick man manipulating them to do these things.

    It is the mind frame of sexual deviants which make them particularly threatening. Not their physical being. As usual, a sexual deviant chooses a VICTIM whom he can overpower. Just like the individual focused on in this article. He doesn't say exactly what he did, just wants to talk about how his fence posts were apparently loosened, how he is a victim, and have his photo taken with a couple of Bible's and a photo of he and his wife in the background.

    Someone who has changed, would instead offer to speak to his neighbors about his past, take responsibility, admit his actions, and make ammends in any way possible. Nope, he like you has a half baked story, with himself as the center of the story. As if the victim is simply collateral damage of his sick mind.

    Shame on the CDA PRESS for the title of this article "No Second Chance."

     
  • Rationale posted at 9:54 am on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Mark W,

    18 & 14? You ARE a sick predator. Nothing else needs to be said. You should have been locked away forever, you sick freak! The only reason you stopped is because it looked a lot worse for you to stalk 14 year old girls the older you got!

    You are lucky I wasn't that girl's father...you would have had a .44 mag slug in your head, and you wouldn't have to have worried about being labeled!

    Going to church does not make you a good man. And time does not change what you did!

     
  • MtnMan posted at 9:40 am on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    MtnMan Posts: 57

    @Mark W
    The death penalty would be very "SMART on crime," as you say. We do not live in other countries, we need not look to other countries for our laws. Should we, by your reasoning, look to the laws in some countries that allow men to kill women for an accusation of infidelity? I guess we should allow you to pick and choose our laws, since you are such a fine upstanding citizen.

    The anger isn't mine Mark, I am not angry that you and your kind have to be on a list, I am not angry that society shuns your kind, I can control my anger, Too bad rapists can't control their sick desires. I am not happy that the laws allow your ilk to walk among us, but that does not translate to anger. Anger doesn't solve problems.

    What do you have other than your own opinions? I have seen interviews done with many rapists that say they have no control and would surely re-offend, So in my mind we would be safer as a society to assume all rapists, since they have the same mindset to commit the crime, will re-offend. Better to err of the side of safety.

    But ya know what Mark, I bet the majority of society has the same opinion. So you get used to it. Even if you get removed from the list, we still know you are a rapist, being removed from a list can never change that fact.

    My words and opinions are at least not lies, as in, "I was put on the registry for an accusation only." You have yet to say which state allows this. You have pretty much evaded every question posed to you by everyone here.

    So sorry you are getting bored, I on the other hand could go on forever pointing out why your kind is shunned, you bore as you have nothing to offer, another cop-out. All you offer is poor excuses to allow rapists to rape again. But you just keep telling them that it is societies fault. Your words enforce their sick minds so they feel justified in what they do.
    Your mind appears to be just as sick.

    You do fear society, you have made that perfectly clear, you enforce the fact you are willing to have your wife and child kill anyone that may come and disagree to your face. You go to great lengths to hide who you are, "(my posts are being rerouted by dozens of proxy-servers using a tempory email address with no personal information attached, .........)." You have this fear because you know you did wrong.

    Your words, your opinions, my words, my opinions, It is all either of us have to offer here. Though my words are not threatening. I am not going to sit here and play Keyboard Commando and level any kinds of threats or inane promises.

    BTW, ya don't need a cwp in Idaho, OPEN CARRY BABY!

    I think along with the SOR, the rapist's faces should be shown on television daily, so we reach everyone and make them all aware and safer.

    You are fortunate that most of society doesn't agree with my death penalty opinions. Rapists seem to think that society owes them something.

    When you come up with a way to "Make it all better" for the victims, then I MIGHT consider not shunning them. But then again I might not. Rapists have earned the treatment they get from society.

    What do you offer Mark? Threats of murder, excuses for rapists to re-offend. Yeah that is productive, now isn't it?

     
  • Mark W posted at 8:52 am on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Mtnman- perhaps if you and Rationale stopped raping each other, you could stop seeing things as a victim and start seeing them as survivor. Vengeance will solve nothing. In fact, our present laws give the ALREADY sick offender every reason to kill their victims as it harder to convict without a body. Perhaps if the laws were more reasonable, with more focus on rehabilitation (including re-entry into society) many of these victims would still be alive. Polly Klass and Jessica Lungsford come to mind. The greatest proponents of our current system have already come forward and expressed that laws are going too far and in the wrong direction. Patty Wetterling has said this, so has Adam Walsh. Mark Lungsford should be on registry as CP was found on his computer during the investigation of his daughters disappearance, and his son Joshua Lungsford commited the same crime I did- he was 18, she was 14. And yet neither of those two are on the registry, in fact the father is toughted as some sort of national hero. Not everything is as black and white as you would like it to be. Now excuse, my family and I going to church.

     
  • MtnMan posted at 8:32 am on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    MtnMan Posts: 57

    @Mark W
    You have never seen my anger, My desire to punish yes. I do believe the death penalty is an excellent solution, as well as an excellent deterrent to would be rapists. There would be no second offences nor opportunities to commit a second offence.

    You and your rapist cohorts as well need to get used to the fact that society has no use for your ilk. The only reason rapists are here and not going anywhere is most of us are law-abiding citizens who refuse to sit behind bars over killing that ilk. So I am left with my words, not threatening. Tough on crime you say, when rapists and murderers walk freely in society, I say we are no where tough enough on crime.

     
  • Rationale posted at 7:45 am on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Mark W,

    Oh, please. Give us a break. Under your assertion, Charles Manson and Joseph Duncan should simply be allowed to walk around after they "pay their debt to society." What a crock!

    There are crimes....and then there are heinous crimes. People can forgive thieves...but rapists and murderers? Society doesn't want those kinds of losers walking the streets.

    Once convicted, they should be brought behind the woodshed and disposed of instead of society having to worry about them.

    You are just like OJ Simpson..."I wasn't convicted." Not, "I didn't do it." But "I wasn't convicted!"

    As for whether it was 40 years ago, that doesn't matter. Heinous criminals deserve a lot harsher punishment than simply the label they are given.

    Guess what? You raped someone...that makes you a rapist. If you don't like the label, perhaps you shouldn't have raped someone! Want is to call the "Wahhhh-mbulance?"

     
  • Mark W posted at 7:41 am on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    I'm getting bored as you have nothing but your opinions to put up, so here's the bottom line: Sex Offenders, like this man, myself, and the 3/4 of a million others across the country, are NOT going anywhere, so better get used to it. We will move on, with or without your "permission", some of us do and will continue to live AWESOME lives. Others like this man are trying to be productive, successful members of society, (which, I would think is a GOOD thing for everyone), but instead society shuns him, and is then surprised he's now looking for solace in other offenders. Give me a break, you CAN'T have your cake and eat it to. We need to get away from "tough on crime", and focus more on "SMART on crime" like many other nations already do.

     
  • Mark W posted at 7:20 am on Sun, Jul 22, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Mtnman- your response displays your anger and desire to punish, but it doesn't provide any solutions. Again- the REALITY (the world where you DON'T get to shoot people and cure sick minds with Aspirin), is that he raped someone, paid the price The Courts (the only authority that has a right to judge him, except God) imposed, and HAS moved on to the best of his ability. As much as you in your fantasy world, would like to think that life is over for an offender after prison or jail time, the truth is, many of us live great lives and very happy despite a petty inconvenience like the registry. Not only do I work, but I make phenomenal money (and yes) legally. I have a beautiful wife, and before her I had NO PROBLEM getting a date, even with them knowing my past, in advance.

     
  • MtnMan posted at 11:52 pm on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    MtnMan Posts: 57

    @Mark W
    "IF you were sexually sick in the head....,"

    Honestly, in my not sick head (My opinion), I will answer that with, I would hope someone would put me out of my misery. I would never want to live knowing I do not have enough self control to never hurt others willingly for nothing more than my own sexual gratification.

    It appears the rapist with the sick mind, and you, would rather I felt a victim, rape again, then blame society for my decision.

    Is this head sickness something that can be cured with a couple of aspirins? Why should I take the word of a rapist who claims he is no longer sick? Can you measure his sickness and guarantee people he is truly cured? Then if he should rape again what would you say? Oops sorry......

    You make excuses for him to re-offend and want me to somehow believe it is because of societies feelings towards rapists? If he truly has turned away from that life, then let him have the self control to not let it ever happen again, be damned how he is treated for HIS CRIME! I don't care if it was 80 years ago, it does not lessen the horror he bestowed on his victim(s) that will last them a lifetime! Rapists destroy lives, why should theirs not be equally destroyed? Since we aren't likely to rape them we will shun them. And in my mind, rightfully so.
    He hasn't paid his debt to society, he paid his debt to the courts that govern society by its laws. In my opinion, His is a crime that cannot be paid to society.
    Even in his "sick mind" I would lay odds he knew how society looked at rapists. He chose to be a rapist regardless.

    Well I guess the obvious answer to the rabid dog question would be he would bite. But I could shoot the rabid dog the first time he bit without penalty from the law.

     
  • Mark W posted at 10:42 pm on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Mtnman- I can careless about you or anyone else's opinion of me. I like who I am, proud of what I've done, and have a very bright future ahead of me. You donor need a crystal ball IF you have common sense. I will not tell you what state I'm in and you will not track me.

    Rationale- I didn't threaten anyone, I simply stated how MY family would respond to a threat. Your CWP does not allow you to go onto someone ELSE'S property and provoke an altercation. Unless your states SYG laws are completely different than mine, if you came onto my property, threatening me, my family or my property with harm, to the extent permitted by law, I would have the absolute right to deal with accordingly. The only way your CWP affects me in slightest, is if I came onto your property (or actually, anywhere) and you, yours and your property, which I can assure with all certainty, is not going to happen.

     
  • Mark W posted at 10:32 pm on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Mtnman- Im growing tired, so I'll have to continue at another time. The "violent rapist" commited his crime 40 years ago. If he paid his debt to society (which, by law, he has), and has been crime free since, I believe he should return to society. His "poor me, I'm the victim" attitude is another unintended consequence of our present societal structure. In the ideal world, rape would not occur. The next best thing would be that if it does occur, we as a society could map out the proper "repayment protocol", one would pay their debt, then return to being a productive citizen of society. Since society doesn't give the offender that option, then the offender is left to seek "normalcy" by any other means. This can sometimes exacerbate an already sick persons compulsion to commit sexual crimes, which is of course, another "unintended consequence". Maybe this will help: IF you were sexually sick in the head, had your family taken from you (residency restrictions), had no place to live (residency restrictions), couldn't get or keep a job (SOR), and society said "youre nothing but a rapist, thats all you'll ever be, we will never let you regain your place, and your life as a member of society is essentially over", what would stop you from acting out on your compulsions? Let's try a simpler one: what happens when you push a rabid dog into a corner?

     
  • Mark W posted at 10:19 pm on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Rationale- I got nothing- lol. Wait, if i ACTUALLY raped someone, i might agree with you there. I didnt (and I and EVERYONE i know, dont count my kind of statutory as rape). I got one- come into my home (see that's not a threat, that's me thwarting a threat), I WILL PERSONALLY pull the trigger, you know, castle doctrine and all.

     
  • Rationale posted at 9:55 pm on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Mark W,

    You became a punk coward the day you raped someone. Rapists are pathetic parasites on the backside of a warthog!

    Your income means nothing. Whose to say you earned it legally. And just what does your income mean, anyway? It obviously can't buy your way out of being called what you are...a rapist!

    As for your threats, punk cowards don't scare me. Wow, your wife and son have concealed weapons permits...because you can't! So you have to hide behind them. Of course, my CWP allows me not to worry about convicted rapists.

    Go crawl back under your felony rock.

     
  • MtnMan posted at 9:33 pm on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    MtnMan Posts: 57

    @Mark W
    I have tried to decipher your brain-teaser, I tried to read/between/the/lines. I even consulted my crystal ball, and called the psychic hotline. But I could not come with what state you say will put you on the offenders list for an accusation only.

    I, too, have to wonder your purpose for posting "your story." Especially since you are so illusive with your answers.

    This article isn't about statutory rape, it is about a "Violent Rapist" and his "Poor me I am a victim attitude." I have no sympathies for him or his kind. Since the state doesn't put them down like rabid dogs, the least they could do is brand a huge red R in the middle of their foreheads.

    You support him? Well good luck garnering much sympathy here then.


     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 8:36 pm on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    Mark W...............................................I read your posts trying to understand where you are coming from.

    Questions:

    1. Why did you state that your wife and son have concealed weapons permits?

    2. Do you have a concealed weapons permit? If not, pleae explain.
    Is it because you cannot carry a weapon because you are on the offender list?

    3. Is your son your natural child?

    4. Did you intentionally expose your son as an infant to registered sex offenders?
    If so, why?
    If not, please explain.

    5. A registered offender can pay to have their name removed?

    6. What unintended consequences does society deserve?

    7. Were you charged with statutory rape, or rape?

    IF you were engaging in relations with a willing partner of 15, when you were 18, then you were foolish and ignored the law. I can't stretch that to the level of a sex offender. A good number of senior's in high school would be guilty of the same. I'll give you that, based on what you wrote.

    If what you say about yourself is absolutely true, then I am perplexed by your words: "Until then, society deserves ALL the 'unintended consequences' the registry brings with it."

    I have a feeling, you are not the biological father of the boy you say is your son. Furthermore, one has to be 18 years of age, to obtain a concealed weapons permit. You say both your wife and son have a permit. If you were charged at 18, with having sex with a 15 year old, then hopefully you were not a father at the time,or you would be cheating on the woman/girl who you had a child with. That would make you at least 36 years old.

    You state that you fired your attorney and have beat all the charges except one. Has this been going on 18 years, or are you flat out a pathological liar, and simply a deceptive person who spins stories to play a the "angry victim."

    Please explain.

     
  • Mark W posted at 8:20 pm on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Oh and rationale, if you truly think I'm a "punk coward", I encourage you to first find me, then come and see me. If you show up at my homes with that attitude, you'll a) be invited in and b) leave minus your medulla. Beyond that, you are also a "punk coward", blowing smoke from behind the protection of a username.

     
  • Mark W posted at 8:12 pm on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Lol rationale- I live like a king: I made $188k last year, my home is over 7500 sq ft, I travel frequently. The registry is a "minor inconvenience" at most. But like a thorn in my side, I still have the RIGHT to complain about it. Some people, no matter what you do FOR them, you can't bring them up. Some people, no matter what you do TO them, you can't keep them down. I'm the latter, don't get it confused. Now, when, in your opinion, did I become a "punk coward"?

     
  • Mark W posted at 8:06 pm on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Mtnman- in case my last comment doesn't (my posts are being rerouted by dozens of proxy-servers using a tempory email address with no personal information attached, do the connection isn't always the best), you answered your own question in you're last post: EVERY is susceptible to false allegations and unless you can afford the best attorneys, or have an "inside connection", you truly are guilty until proven innocent. Again, you haven't been in that position, you can't POSSIBLY understand the lies, the deception, the manipulation by the police, prosecutors, judges, public defenders (or as I like to call the "probation directors") all the way up to our senators and legislators. They right laws based on "perception" (their own) rather than reality. I hope my posts clarifies your confusion, if not I encourage you to read/between/the/lines.

     
  • Rationale posted at 7:55 pm on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Mark W,

    Sounds like an Alford Plea...

    And you also don't deny you did it...which means you are, indeed, guilty.

    Regardless, all this stuff is nothing more than a red herring....Bill Johnson was guilty of 1st degree rape...not statutory rape! The smokescreen is irrelevant.

    Some crimes come with lifelong scarlet letters! 1st degree rape is one of them. Who cares about Bill Johnson, or his feelings...or the other sex-offenders who whine. Perhaps you should have thought about that before you acted like a punk coward!

    Now live with your decision.

     
  • Mark W posted at 7:26 pm on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Now I should also clarify another point: as a RSO myself, I am NOT against the registry, in it's ORIGINAL intent. It was OG designed to be for Police ONLY, and it was OG designed to be for the worst of the worst- problem is its so DILLUDED with low level offenders like myself, society has no choice but to believe EVERY person with the label is the spawn of Satan. When they start AUTOMATICALLY (I will NOT pay to be removed) removing low level offenders, then I will change my tune. Until then, society deserves ALL the "unintended consequences" the registry brings with it. Comes with the territory I guess.

     
  • MtnMan posted at 6:03 pm on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    MtnMan Posts: 57

    @Mark W
    "In my state, you CAN be listed WITHOUT a conviction. It's one of the MANY problems I have with our current laws."

    I have a huge problem with that myself. We could all end up on the list, by that law, with just one false accusation. If you don't mind my asking. What state is that?

    "See unless you've actually been on this list or know someone close to you who is, you will NEVER understand how much of a cluster-fnck it had become"

    You sell people short when you make statements saying we will never understand.
    How about sharing something to better our understanding?

    Sorry, but I see that "NEVER understand" as a cop-out. It says to me there is no answer or you have none to offer. People understand more than some are given credit for.

    I am not much into the brain-teasers, I would rather you were straight with me as my questions are in earnest.

     
  • Mark W posted at 5:05 pm on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Also mtnman- let me clarify since you pointed out an obvious mistake in my post: I was NOT convicted, and yet I AM on the registry. In my state, you CAN be listed WITHOUT a conviction. It's one of the MANY problems I have with our current laws.

     
  • Mark W posted at 4:58 pm on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Like I said mtnman, it's a brain-teaser, you figure it out. I am NOT convicted (therefore, I'm not a felon) and yet, I'm on the SOR. See unless you've actually been on this list or know someone close to you who is, you will NEVER understand how much of a cluster-fnck it had become. There are CHILDREN (you know, the very people this is purported to protect) on the list.Children as young as 6, 8, and 10 years old (varying by state). My hired an attorney to get me OUT OF JAIL, once I was out, I fired my attorney and took over my own defense. I filed 11 motions, WON 10, the ONLY one I lost was removal from the registry, and I'm on that. It won't be long for me, but I fear for others that are in my position, presently societies target, and don't have the mental capacity OR the $ to fix this abhorrent situation. I should also add that my "crime" was that I was 18, she was 15, the sex was HER idea, and I only went along because I believed her. Let me fill you in on a little known fact: you do NOT have to be convicted to end up on the list.

     
  • MtnMan posted at 3:26 pm on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    MtnMan Posts: 57

    @Mark W posted at 1:36 pm on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.
    " I'm also an RSO. Personally, I was convicted of statutory"
    "since I'm NOT A FELON (I was not convicted)"

    Convicted? Not convicted?
    Am I mis-understanding? Is statutory rape not a felony?
    If you were never convicted, how did you end up on the RSO list?

     
  • Mark W posted at 1:36 pm on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    Mark W Posts: 101

    Wow- you guys are completely incapable of thinking outside of the box aren't you? First of all this article isn't about REMORSE, its about an offender who committed his crime close to 40 years (FORTY YEARS) ago! In regards to remorse, you don't know that he HASN'T made amends or ATTEMPTED to make amends to his victim. Most victims of sexual assault never, under ANY circumstance want to see or hear from their abuser again, so STAYING AWAY is probably the best thing he could do for her. Besides, it's been 40 years, how much remorse do you expect him to show? Then there's those of you who say he should "stay clear of other offenders if he wants others to believe he's changed"- ya right, are YOU going to invite him over for dinner? No, you're not. I'm sure he would love to make friends with so-called normal people, unfortunately as soon as they red his crime, they turn him away, so resorts to other who CAN'T judge him. If you can't tell, I'm also an RSO. Personally, I was convicted of statutory, so my case is a little different and society in general has shown me a great deal more leniency than this man. But it doesn't change that fact that many of you, simply because of my label, would love to see harm done to me and other. And to that I say bring it. Fortunately, my neighbors love me and KNOW I would never put them in danger, so if I was to assemble this meeting, safety precautions would be in order (for both my neighbors, myself and family and my guests). I would ABSOLUTLY hold it in my house (why would I go to Applebee's, where first we would be accused of gathering to abduct children, and secondly, where news reporters and vigilantes could show up?) I don't think so. So now I may just start one of these meetings myself. And if any twit thinks they're going to show up and spoil the fun? My wife AND son BOTH have their CCW's and a Glock each: come with a threat, you'll leave in a bag. Oh, and here's another brain-teaser for you, since I'm NOT A FELON (I was not convicted) they are perfectly within their legal rights to have these weapons in OUR household.

     
  • Mrinfo posted at 4:49 am on Sat, Jul 21, 2012.

    Mrinfo Posts: 12

    Regarding the comment about sex offenders always reoffending with what studys show??? Ummmm what magical study are you reading? Most studys put it at 5.3% some lower and some a little higher but the goverment studys put it at 5.3%

    So many lies going on here in these comments.....

    Also 33% of the registry (over 300,000) are under the age of 18 at time of conviction some charged as young as 6 years old for playing doctor

     
  • inclined posted at 7:56 pm on Fri, Jul 20, 2012.

    inclined Posts: 681

    M6 "And, all the forgiving "Christian" fools who don't see that are in the same class!" There are centuries of understanding to forgiveness. It is as easy as a slip of the tongue for you to say too much about Christians forgiving. But, I do know what you are saying.

    Almost universally, the church, laboring under wrong theology, has these pedophiles, and other sex offenders in the church. They don't belong in the church. Your rebuke should involve not the forgiving part, but, that they are allowed in the church.

    It is one thing to forgive, it is another thing, in their state, apart from a God-defining of who does church, for them to be in church. Christians can act like fools. Those kinds of people do deserve your rebuke.

    Someone will say, well, if you can forgive them, if God forgives, why can't they be in the church? A person who breaks the rule of law, can and should know the full penalty of their crime. The Law cannot forgive them. You might, the victim might, but they will serve the law, they will suffer the consequences of the law, because their crime relates to the individual who is governed by the law.

    Should you break moral Law, you are under the judgment of that Law. That law cannot forgive you.
    If you remain the same person, the same, unchanged, unrepentant person under moral Law, you are subject to the consequences and punishment of the Law. The church is people who relate to the Law and the lawgiver under the conditions of that relationship. If those conditions are met, and the law is met, and the penalty is extracted, that is the person who does church.

     
  • 5inPfs posted at 3:53 pm on Fri, Jul 20, 2012.

    5inPfs Posts: 765

    have no understanding what it means to have been hurt by men like him!

    You are assuming, MMMMMM.

    The anger and language Smoove was shouting indicated that, right or wrong, she was not in a state of mind to discuss this rationally. Instead of helping her cause, she was harming it. Better to step away until she was able to communicate without telling people to do physically impossible things to themselves.

    As for a support group...have you not read where several of us know of men and women who have the stigma of sex offender attached to them for the rest of their lives for a technicality of age? I have a friend who picked up a girl in a bar, where it is obviously assumed that everyone there drinking is at least 21. She wasn't, even though she said she was. Her parents filed for statutory and now he has to register everywhere he moves. It's tough to move on from that. A support group for him and others in his situation would be a god send.

    You assume that everyone in this support group would be a child molester or 1st degree rapist, but you don't know that. Unless you can prove that every one of the attendees is a pedophile/1st degree rapist--your disgust is both petty and misdirected.

     
  • MMMMMM posted at 9:48 am on Fri, Jul 20, 2012.

    MMMMMM Posts: 2749

    BILL JOHNSON, I suggest that you invite a cop to your meetings!!! Someone you can't manipulate.

     
  • MMMMMM posted at 9:43 am on Fri, Jul 20, 2012.

    MMMMMM Posts: 2749

    smoove, the people here who say you are going too far or are too close to the subject are people

    who have never experienced this type of assault!!!!! Don't apologize or back down. It's just your kind

    of anger that may get through to enough people that they begin to understand.

    These are the same type people, who like Johnson, want to just "move on" with their lives., (Similar to dogs who leave a cr__p and move on!) Whatever happened to the concept of cleaning up the mess you made or if you hurt someone, making ammends????

    Instead of needing "support" these sex offenders need to find a way to make up for what they did if possible. And if that isn't possible, then to collect money to help other victims of similar crimes. Nothing in the article about Johnson suggests that he has any remorse or any plans to do anything to help other people - - - - other than other sex criminals. He is STILL a rapist at heart regardless of his marriage and involvement in religion. Don't forget people like the BTK killer who had a wife, family and was active in church. The fact that Johnson's focus is on the "poor molester, rapist" is evidence that he has not changed! And, all the forgiving "Christian" fools who don't see that are in the same class! They, like Johnson, want to "feel good", and have no understanding what it means to have been hurt by men like him!

     
  • MtnMan posted at 9:31 am on Fri, Jul 20, 2012.

    MtnMan Posts: 57

    smoove, I am not going to say you weren't raped. BUT, most people that have survived such a horrendous crime would never wish it on someone else. You are that "1 in a million" I guess. For your own sanity, please get the help you so apparently need. There really are people who care. Hating on others is not the answer.

     
  • cococo posted at 8:50 am on Fri, Jul 20, 2012.

    cococo Posts: 146

    Really "smoove"? Step back and take a deep breath. THAT'S GOING TOO FAR.

     
  • 5inPfs posted at 3:58 pm on Thu, Jul 19, 2012.

    5inPfs Posts: 765

    I don't think he was referring to Mr. Johnson specifically, Rationale. I think he is referring to the support group Mr. Johnson wants to put together. With that view, his argument is valid.

     
  • 5inPfs posted at 3:55 pm on Thu, Jul 19, 2012.

    5inPfs Posts: 765

    Agreed.

     
  • 5inPfs posted at 3:54 pm on Thu, Jul 19, 2012.

    5inPfs Posts: 765

    I'm sorry for your experience and for your hurting, Smoove.

    However, may I suggest that perhaps you are too close to the subject to be objective?

     
  • northone9 posted at 3:49 pm on Thu, Jul 19, 2012.

    northone9 Posts: 291

    Smoove, with all due respect if you want to know how much your advancing your cause.......stand up and look at your feet.

     
  • cococo posted at 12:25 pm on Thu, Jul 19, 2012.

    cococo Posts: 146

    "arius1".......Thank you.....very well put. There is also another flaw in the current system that has allowed several people in our area to plea bargain charges to non registration status. Some of them are truly sexually sick individuals. They roam our streets today with no registration or sex offender status.
    While the system is flawed, the courts have the discretionary ability to make things right at the time of trial, they just seem to exercise poor judgment.

    Right again "Rationale".

    "MtnMan"....sorry for the attack earlier. You and I are probably a lot alike. If we ever met face to face you would soon find that I am no "bleeding-heart".

     
  • MtnMan posted at 12:15 pm on Thu, Jul 19, 2012.

    MtnMan Posts: 57

    cococo

    Contrary to your belief on my brain capacity, I am quite able to discern when statutory rape is a bit overboard. Consensual 19/17 I would not put any kind of label on them. I believe most thinking adults can, look at the list, look at the charges, and make this same determination.

    Where is this consensual line crossed though? 60/14, 19/12, Who decides this?

    Any kind of violent rapist should be taken out back and shot IMHO. Then they wouldn't have to worry about a "Second Chance" boohoo poor victim.......

     
  • MtnMan posted at 12:00 pm on Thu, Jul 19, 2012.

    MtnMan Posts: 57

    cococo,

    I should have said:

    "If you, cococo, or he or anyone else doesn't 'LIKE' the label our laws permit"

    instead of:
    "If you, cococo, or he or anyone else doesn't want to wear the label our laws permit"

    I certainly did not mean to imply that you might be an offender yourself, I see you as just another bleeding-heart.

    If you don't want to wear the name, don't play the game. These laws are not hidden. All should be aware of them. Go play somewhere else if they don't like the rules here.

     
  • Rationale posted at 12:00 pm on Thu, Jul 19, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    arius and cococo,

    There will always be "what ifs." And statutory rape/labeling someone as a sex offender under your scenario is a travesty. As is the fact if a 19 year old young lady has sex with a seventeen year old young man never gets charged with statutory rape.

    But, once again, the "what if" scenario you discuss does not apply in this case. The man here was guilty of 1st degree rape, he wasn't a teenager, & he has shown no remorse (other than the fact his label is for life).

    While your arguments may be valid under other circumstances, they do not apply here. Which is why you are getting attacked.

    Make sense?

     
  • arius1 posted at 11:33 am on Thu, Jul 19, 2012.

    arius1 Posts: 957

    I have to agree with cococo, yes there are seriously sick people out there, getting their jollies with kids. Unfortunately there are a bunch of young men that get this same label and shouldn't. The justice system, here is flawed. I know of a few young men (18 and 19, one had just turned 18), they both had consensual sex with their underage girlfriends. One the mother found out and pressed charges, the other, the young couple broke up because of an argument, in retaliation she said he raped her. On the stand she even admitted to going out to the car to get a condom. Both cases resulted in sex offender labels and registration (as well as time served). I was talking with a judge friend of mine regarding these cases, and he said it is unfortunate, but all to common, and that he was glad the law wasn't around forty years earlier.
    I have heard of other similar cases like these and wonder how many of the sex offenders out there are young guys like this.
    Some posters will say I am siding with the perverts, not in the least. The true ones need and deserved to be punished harshly. But there has to be a better way to differentiate them from the young guys falling in love (or lust) with the underage gal. With Gals being more mature for their age than guys, its often easy for the 18 -19 year old guy to relate to a 16-17 year old gal.

     
  • cococo posted at 10:19 am on Thu, Jul 19, 2012.

    cococo Posts: 146

    Slow down "MtnMan".....I'll try to spell s l o w e r. I do not defend the actions or crimes of Mr. Johnson. I do however feel that our laws are outdated and wrong for allowing the same sex offender "label" that may appropriately apply to him, to be applied to a 19 year old young man who has sex with his seventeen year old girlfriend. Our current system, according to a program therapist, sees no difference between that 19 year old and the 30 year old child molester that rapes his 3 year old stepdaughter. Some sex offenders are "perverts", "monsters" and "convicted felon freaks", others are not. At least grow enough of a brain to understand that there is a difference.

    Here is more food for thought......what about the parents who put their 15 year old daughters on birth control because they choose to be sexually active? I do understand preventing teen pregnancy, but aren't they somehow condoning illegal activity if not even encouraging it?

     
  • Suzanna posted at 10:09 am on Thu, Jul 19, 2012.

    Suzanna Posts: 20

    Is this the same "Arthur Johnson" who wrote "My turn: A penalty that lasts a lifetime" in the CDA Press on Saturday, April 7, 2012 6:15 am?? He cannot even be truthful about what his real name is and apparently the CDA Press didn't bother to check. The property owner is listed as William A. Johnson......could that be William Arthur? Call me Bill, Arthur, or whatever my alias is.

    From that article, this quote appears to be his only remorse/excuse; " I am as heartbroken and sorry today about what I did, as I was when I sobered up those many years ago." Sorry he got caught?

    Here's the link: http://www.cdapress.com/news/local_news/article_378b941a-8049-11e1-9be1-0019bb2963f4.html

     
  • MtnMan posted at 8:57 am on Thu, Jul 19, 2012.

    MtnMan Posts: 57

    No sympathy for this sick bas**rd or any of his ilk. If you, cococo, or he or anyone else doesn't want to wear the label our laws permit, perhaps they should take their sick crimes to a state that will allow these crimes. Though I am sure they will be hard to find. Play the game in Idaho and you will wear the name.

    Aren't there laws that prohibit these convicted felon freaks from hanging together?

     
  • cococo posted at 8:40 am on Thu, Jul 19, 2012.

    cococo Posts: 146

    "Rationale".....you are right. However, so many people here seem to vent their feelings about his crime towards all registered sex offenders....labeling them all as "perverts" or "monsters". I will grant that some of them are just those things, but some of them are no where close to it. Some of them are not even guilty of a crime in our neighboring States. It is frustrating to see our judicial system fail so miserably by convicting some young men of something that is not even illegal in other States while allowing true "monsters" to plea bargain their way out of having to register.

    As for you "smoove"....if you dig deep enough into anyone's family you will find a sex offender who just hasn't been caught yet......someone who has committed "an infamous crime against nature" as Idaho law words it. A Kotenai County Detective told me if they truly enforced all of the sex crime laws they would have to arrest half of CDA High School. I simply plead for people to not be so quick to point a finger and lump them all together because you probably have one or more sex offenders in your family under Idaho law. Under our State laws, you can rest assured that all Gays are also committing sex crimes.....so are they all "monsters"?.....I think not.

    And as for your idea "for a little afternoon fun" of shoving something up ones backside, well if that's what you define as fun then by all means you go right ahead.......that would never enter my mind as fun.

     
  • Rationale posted at 7:29 am on Thu, Jul 19, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    cococo,

    While not all sex offenders are guilty of the same thing, the crux of most people's position here is that
    this guy was found guilty of 1st degree rape. He never denies it, and he shows no remorse...

     
  • cococo posted at 1:03 am on Thu, Jul 19, 2012.

    cococo Posts: 146

    I do not defend the actions of Mr. Johnson....past or present....I do not know enough about him or his crimes to form an objective opinion. So many of you want to lump all sex offenders into the same pile. How many of them do you really know? Not just by name on a list, but by what they really did and who they really are. The sex offender registry program does not work. Too many "monsters" plea bargain their way out of registering. Too many young men making stupid decisions are on the list for something that isn't illegal in Washington but is in Idaho.
    As for you "smoove"......you are a pathetic ignorant f***. I have never been convicted of a felony of any type. I think child molesters and forcible rapists are pathetic....but I rank you right their with them. I am not gay either....but I feel your gay bashing proves your ignorance. I am a local businessman with grandchildren, and I hope I can protect them from stupid f**** like you.

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 10:21 pm on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    I would not be comfortable living next to a sex offender, or any person with a history of uncontrolable violence.

    I know nothing about your fence, nor have I ever visited your town.

    A fence provides a physical barrier, and a sense of privacy and safety which most people desire.

    Kind of like the locks on our doors, yet the windows can so easily be broken.

    Please, try to understand that your actions may be causing your neighbor's to feel threatened.

    Passive aggressive actions and behaviors, are not healthy. They are aggressive actions, in disguise.

    Healing, usually does not involve causing other people grief and worry.

    I remember my childhood and teen years vividly. The bullies would push, shove, etc., when the teachers and aide's were absent. Always pushing others around. Once in a while, a kid would get sick of this, and throw a punch back. Course, the bully who instigated the whole thing would cry loudly to get the true victim in trouble.

    Shame on the Press for providing a playground for this person. The photo is clearly staged. Kind of like baking cookies an hour before showing a house for sale.

     
  • sueclanton posted at 9:02 pm on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    sueclanton Posts: 37

    OH!!! He makes sure he has the BIBLES in his photo!!!! He is hiding behind a mask!!! Watch out Rathdrum!!!! Anyone want the support group held in there neighborhood???? I suggest he move!!!!

     
  • sueclanton posted at 8:30 pm on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    sueclanton Posts: 37

    Sorry for the mispelled words, but this article makes me SICK!!!!!!

     
  • sueclanton posted at 8:28 pm on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    sueclanton Posts: 37

    The article does say !st degree rape!!! I know this monster and he is still a complete freak!!! use to walk by his home with my dog 4 years ago, then found him knocking on my door asking me if i wanted a ride on his motorcycle. As far as his vandalizim on his fence??? It as looked like that for a long time., and HIM mowing his lawn!!! What a joke!!! He took GUARDIANSHIP of a challenged man several years ago, collects his dissability, and the only 1 i have ever seen mowing, or doing the dirty work is the challenged man. Why do you think they make sex offenders REGISTER????? It is proven that they are most likely to re-offend. Murders do not have to register, but Sex OFFENDERS DO!! His crime was not STATUTAURY RAPE, HE was convicted on 1st degree RAPE. Also want everyone to know that he became a VOLUNTEER for meals on wheels, only to come into peoples homes, HE IS A FREAK!!!!! Thank you for publishing his address in the cda press, I know where he lives but i suggest people go to the registry and get info from his original case, i will do so and publish it for you!!!! 12 years was not his original sentence. he got out early. Once a chomo. always a chomo!!!!!!!

     
  • efromm posted at 7:46 pm on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    efromm Posts: 701

    If you have any felonies on your record your not going to get a second chance. It's how society works...

     
  • MMMMMM posted at 6:41 pm on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    MMMMMM Posts: 2749

    What should matter most, Flash Gordon, isn't what Bill really thinks about himself. What should matter most is whether we, society, can protect other potential victims from him now that the criminal justice system has turned him back on us.

    - - - - -

    LordTalyn, remember the BTK killer? He was married and very active in his church. And there are hundreds of rapists and murderers, some of them torture murderers, in jails and in prisons and often these men receive a lot of mail from women who want to marry them.

    I don't understand why women can't see through men like this, well maybe I do understand. These rapists are often very very charming. Mentally disordered sex offenders are some of the most charming people you could ever meet. Remember Ted Bundy - charming, good looking. His teeth were a litle crooked and that's what ultimately got him convicted. You, with your background, surely remember his biting his victims???

    So, the fact that Bill Johnson found someone to marry him and he's actively following and pursuing a religion doesn't mean much when you look at the history of most sex offenders! And, he's still whining and looking at himself as a "victim". As Rationale explained to you, Bill Johnson mentioned nothing about remorse!!!!!!!

     
  • Flash Gordon posted at 5:07 pm on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    Flash Gordon Posts: 1647

    Rape "symps" are rationalizing Bill Johnson's behavior. Of course he's stigmatized....what did he believe would be the social response to his criminal behavior? He's got the scarlet "R" firmly stamped on his face/name until he dies.......

    It does matter what he's done since the rape. While the public may be very skeptical of his "rehabilitation" it is not unusual nor unwarranted "cynicism". What should matter most is what he thinks about himself regardless of how the public perceives him....and that's all he's going to get from those that have to share the same space with him.......

     
  • Rationale posted at 4:14 pm on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    LordTalyn,

    I respect your view, and I do not condemn you for it.

    Unfortunately, it is amazing how many criminals "find God" only after they have been caught.

    I admit to being a cynic about this...after all, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me!

    As for celebrities, we place these people on pedestals...for absolutely no reason. They are not worthy of praise, yet society does it.

    As I said before, he was convicted of first-degree rape...which means he did violently rape someone. He obviously at one time could not control himself...and I personally would not forgive myself if he did it again and I had dropped my guard!

    Make sense?

     
  • LordTalyn posted at 2:36 pm on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    LordTalyn Posts: 4

    I'll show the courtesy answer you Rationale, but I doubt anything I have to say will change your mind nor gain your respect.

    What caught my attention was the fact that he's been married for 22 years and actively is following and pursuing a relgion. Some woman gave him a chance, and he's been apparently more true to her than most celebrities can apparently be. Also I don't know the situation behind his story. Maybe he had a drunken night with a filly and she turned around and said he raped her because he didn't give in to her later fiscal demands. Horrified that I would say that? It happens.

    Maybe he is a monster, maybe he's a man that made bad decisions in his past and wants retribution. Like NicotineGun said, he was convicted of rape, not child molestation. While I personally feel that Child Molestation deserves an immediate death penalty due to the involvement of a child, this world has shown me that sex between two consenting adults can be used as a weapon that leaves the man castrated and with the world turned on him.

    If he did violently rape a woman, I'll agree with you and back down. But with what I've seen in this world, his marriage, and other aspects... there is that shadow of a doubt that he's a black toothed monster and more just a man who did stupid things in his past.

     
  • Rationale posted at 2:15 pm on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    In the first sentence, "victims" should be in quotes and refers to the offenders, who now act as victims.

     
  • Rationale posted at 2:13 pm on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Ever notice how sex offenders never seem to show remorse? This man was convicted of 1st degree rape...not statutory rape. Rape is a crime of violence and power...and now the victims whine because they are no longer accepted in society.

    LordTalyn, please explain WHY we should ever trust this person? Because he asks us nicely and says "Pretty please?" Nowhere in this article does this person show remorse...which might aid in people forgiving him. Instead, it's a pity party.

    Just like most criminals...they aren't sorry for what they have done...they are sorry they got caught!

     
  • skunkworks posted at 1:58 pm on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    skunkworks Posts: 252

    Mr bill,I myself have "No Pity" for You or anyone convicted of Sexual Crimes under any circumstances.You are a "Sex Offender" clear and simple, Nothing More Nothing Less.I say Nothing "Less" Because,You cant get any Lower than you.Enjoy your "Classification" you earned It......

     
  • MMMMMM posted at 1:47 pm on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    MMMMMM Posts: 2749

    Thanks, smoove!!

    We can't let people get so involved in their good, loving feelings of forgiveness that they lose sight of the danger that sex criminals pose!

     
  • MMMMMM posted at 1:45 pm on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    MMMMMM Posts: 2749

    Nicotinegun, I usually agree with you, but not with your statement about Johnson "doing his time". No amount of time in prison can make up to the victim of a sexual assault.

    Neither did Johnson express any remorse. It was all about him and his fellow criminals. It is possible that he has changed, but so what? Why should we risk it? He can be forgiven and stay right there in prison where there is no chance for him to re-offend. (And, since he is no longer in prison, we must do everything possible to NOT allow him acess to potential victims. We DON'T have to accept him back into society,)

    And, speaking of re-offending, all the studies show that these criminal sex offenders almost always re-offend. Claiming that he has found Jesus and is now a Christian is just another common manipulative scam. Most inmates "find Jesus" while they are in jail. And, they continue to claim it once they are out, in order to reel in good-hearted souls like yourself. You should see all the pious little smiles of the "good" people who donate time to "help" inmates find Jesus!!!!! Inmates like it partly because it gives them something to do, and also because there is a chance that these do-gooders will be taken in and actually try to help them with their cases.

    Duncan tried that in jail. And, there was a chaplain in Sandpoint who got all involved taking up for an inmate there and interferred with his case.

    Prisons don't often have children behind the bars or access to women. So, unless the inmate wants to assult another adult male, there is little temptation behind bars. It's all for US to find out about after he is released!! Shame on our courts and judges for allowing this.

    -

     
  • smoove posted at 1:08 pm on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    smoove Posts: 1

    to mmmmmm...i couldn't have said it better myself...was about to respond the same way till i read yours...youre the bomb...bravo....

     
  • Nicotinegun posted at 12:48 pm on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    Nicotinegun Posts: 1367

    Some of us are making the assumption that all sex offenders are pedophiles. This isn't the case. A man who rapes an adult women doessn't necessarily want to rape children.

     
  • Nicotinegun posted at 12:46 pm on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    Nicotinegun Posts: 1367

    If Bill has truly accepted Jesus Christ as his Savior, he will not offend again. Christ truly changes you. As for now, it is not to us to judge him. Would I leave my daugther with him? I doubt it. Would I pick him up on the side of the road in a snow storm? Yes. Would I help him if he was being beat up by a group of people? Yes.

    I myself have issues with sex offenders. I think they are scum, especially if they prey on children. However, it is possible that Bill has changed through time and through Jesus Christ. He did his time and he is apparently remorseful for what he has done. It is not to us to forgive. It is to God.

    Good luck, Bill. I will pray for you.

     
  • InMyOpinion posted at 12:30 pm on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    InMyOpinion Posts: 1

    Splendid Mr. Johnson, you are going to throw a social gathering for a bunch of Sex offenders, that's as beneficial as a drug offender throwing a party for drug offenders. If you really wanted to blend into society and show you are a new, changed, law abiding man, the last thing you should do is associate with the very group you find yourself in. I live in Rathdrum and I will be the first in line at city hall if your little gathering is allowed to happen. This society had ZERO tolerance for sex crimes. Why don't you just live your life quietly, follow the laws and keep to yourself like those of us who are not sex offenders.

     
  • justanotherfaceinthecrowd posted at 12:06 pm on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    justanotherfaceinthecrowd Posts: 6

    I know that the city of Rathdrum itself probably cannot intervene for fear of 'discriminating' and what not, but I hope like heck that his plans of having a RSO support group are squashed by residents of the community! I don't live there, but I couldn't imagine being okay with a group of known sex offenders congregating in my back yard!! Especially in a neighborhood with lots of little kids. That's like playing with fire at the gas station....just because someone says they have it under control doesn't mean there isn't a very large potential for quick, explosive disaster.

     
  • justanotherfaceinthecrowd posted at 11:58 am on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    justanotherfaceinthecrowd Posts: 6

    Rationale, I couldn't agree more! Too bad so sad for these people!! Whether they ever re-offend or not, it is their own warped sense of pity that suggests society "owes" them a second chance. If they weren't smart enough to think about how the consequences of their own perverted behavior would affect them for the rest of their lives, then shame on them! I have no pity what so ever for a person who, regardless of how recently or long ago it happened, raped someone or molested a child, or did whatever they did to secure their own special spot on the RSO list.
    Personally, a lifetime of registration and public humiliation is not long enough for those bastards to have to pay for what they did!

     
  • 5inPfs posted at 11:54 am on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    5inPfs Posts: 765

    I, too, have friends who have the stigma of "sex offender" because of the "statutory rape" laws. I would be interested in the full story as well before jumping to conclusions.

    However, I do agree that the meetings need to be somewhere more neutral because we don't know the full story on each individual.

     
  • MMMMMM posted at 11:31 am on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    MMMMMM Posts: 2749

    You're right again, Rationale!

     
  • MMMMMM posted at 11:27 am on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    MMMMMM Posts: 2749

    Mark on the Park, what is your definition of a "practicing Christian?"

    I'm wondering if you mean that sex offenders should be forgiven by us and given more chances to commit sex crimes by being released and accepted back into society.

    Or, are you saying that a practicing Christian would see as their first responsibility to PROTECT others from these sex criminals?

    If you meant that Christians should forgive, then I agree with you! Forgive them, but DO NOT RELEASE THEM!

    So, please tell me your definition of practicing Christian. Thanks

     
  • MMMMMM posted at 11:20 am on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    MMMMMM Posts: 2749

    Good for you, LordTalyn!! Working with ex-gang members! WOW, I'm in awe!

    It isn't OUR mindset and attitudes that drive people to recommit henious sex crimes. Get off your soapbox, Mr. goody-two-shoes. WE are NOT responsible for the actions of sex offenders,

    Unless your ex-gang members were also mentally disordered sex offenders, you have nothing to contribute here. Sex criminals are in a category all their own.

    - - - - - -

    Unless one of these perverts can find a way to un-f__k a little child there is no making up for what they did, at least not in this life-time. They must be kept locked up for the protection of society.

    Same for murders. Unless a murderer can find a way to bring the dead back to life, we must be protected by keeping them locked up for the remainder of their lives.

    When murders and sex criminals try to make ammends, there are plenty of good things they can do for socierty INSIDE a prison. They can become chaplains, ministers, nurses, teachers etc. and do what they can with other inmates - that's their contribution to society.

    But - - - they must not be allowed a second chance, They already blew all their chances with us. With God, it's different, but then that's for a much later time.

     
  • LordTalyn posted at 9:57 am on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    LordTalyn Posts: 4

    I created an account to specifically comment on this thread, and I'm quite expecting to get a lot of flak for what I'm about to say. But the mindset and attitudes of nearly everyone on this board are what drives people to recommit heinous crimes.

    I've worked with ex-gang members who fell into two different categories... the ones who believed in them and gave them a second chance and talked with them about their past... those people succeeded in life, became fathers and wives, and made something of themselves. The ones who were treated with the venom, disdain, and contemp that is rampant in this board gave up on trying to be better people because the people around them did nothing but shove their boot in their face. These were people that were really trying, but you can't keep trying to hold on when the ground you're holding on to keeps eroding from under your finger nails.

    Am I supporting his actions? Good Gods no. But I refuse to accept your actions either. Look at yourselves. Read what your posting. Where is the uplifting nature that is supposed to be the corner stone of any religious following in the words you're saying? You're spitting on a man, yet not doing it to his face. You're doing it in a message board.

    Like I said, I expect flak, I accept this. But I wanted to bring up that venom and spitting doesn't breed retribution, it breeds slipping back in to old behaviors.

     
  • Rationale posted at 9:10 am on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    The reality is, once trust is broken, it is never restored...never! Regardless of those who would claim otherwise, there will always be a seed of doubt...that nightmare or dream that keeps reminding you...

    Mr. Johnson violated the trust of humanity, and has now found out the ramifications of his decisions...and those ramifications are for life.

    To those making comments about Christians or in support of Mr. Johnson, are you willing to let your teenage daughter be alone with this man? If not, shut your hypocritical mouth.

    And if so, you have no business being a parent.

    It's called discernment!

     
  • mister d posted at 8:25 am on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    mister d Posts: 1531

    I really doubt that Cococo is a sexual offender but I do think he / she is a compassionate individual that is willing to forgive and move on. I understand the concerns of the neighbors of Johnson but he makes a lot of sense with his comments and desire to form a support group for men and women who have been offenders. I think he should have found a professional counselor to supervise and a location away from a residential neighborhood to hold these meetings. I wish him luck with this support group and no, I am not a past offender, just someone who believes in the positive potential of all humans.

     
  • Mark on the Park posted at 8:21 am on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    Mark on the Park Posts: 471

    Obviously no practicing Christians in this crowd.

     
  • SamuelStanding posted at 7:33 am on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    SamuelStanding Posts: 608

    Thirty five years ago, would have made this man a fairly younger individual. I don't know the ACTUAL actions of the crime, yet have read many instances of young girls getting involved with teenaged to early 20 year olds. Does it make it right or that individual not guilty, "No."

    I do believe negativity breeds negativity and destroying someone's property after they have met the obligations and limitations set forth by our society, makes the vadalism A CRIME. They are not better and I hope they are found and charges filed against those involved. Do I wish to live next door to Mr. Johnson? Not with the little bit I know of his past.

     
  • Observer posted at 7:28 am on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    Observer Posts: 12

    I gotta add that I don't believe the Press is trying to promote this, I think they are just doing what needs to be done to get this info out...Is that rapist going to talk to a newspaper that's bashing him? I'm sure the reporter held their vomit back during the interview and showered immediately after they left...lol (I am not mean, just honest)

     
  • Observer posted at 7:25 am on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    Observer Posts: 12

    well folks it seems a little obvious that "cococo" is more than likely a sex offender. Only a sociopath or pervert could defend a rapist in any way. There is no sympathy in this world for rapists and child molesters, if you don't want to be treated like a monster don't ever act like one. Why can't we just tattoo "Sex Offender" on their foreheads and call it the "Now we know who you are" registration system!

     
  • JustMy2Cents posted at 7:21 am on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    JustMy2Cents Posts: 40

    Thanks for giving all of us predator haters his address (not like we couldn't have found it in the assessor's records or anywho dot com!

    BTW Predator Johnson - Society DOESN'T want you to 'blend back in' with the rest of us - That's the freaking point is that once you commit those kinds of crimes against another human - then you are NO longer human. You should no longer be able to blend in with the rest of us - we ALL want to know WHO you are so we can avoid you like the plague!

     
  • cococo posted at 6:49 am on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    cococo Posts: 146

    Well "smoove"......before you rant on some more about those "monsters".......Oral sex & sodomy are both sex crimes in the State of Idaho punishable by life in prison. How many "monsters" do you know that just haven't been arrested yet? How many might there be in your own family?

     
  • cococo posted at 6:15 am on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    cococo Posts: 146

    voxpop.......you obviously have no concept of the injustices perpetrated against many types of sex offenders by our corrupt judicial system and pea brained people like yourself.

     
  • voxpop posted at 5:15 am on Wed, Jul 18, 2012.

    voxpop Posts: 738

    Whassup? Is there an eastern liberal coming out of the closet in the hierarchy at the Cda Press? The rest of us should feel Billy's pain? Po' Billy's been isolated and ostracized just because he's a pervert? What's next, a FREE CHARLIE MANSON campaign? I have plenty of compassion for the unemployed, the poor, the ill, the huddled masses yearning to be free. Fresh out for Billy though.

     
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