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Poll: They should have shut 'em down

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Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2012 5:00 am

Many Press readers thought the NCAA should have levied a harsher penalty on the Penn State football program in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal.

More than half of readers participating in our most recent online poll indicated they think the university’s football program should have been given the “death penalty,” shutting it down for a year or more.

On Monday, the NCAA stopped short of suspending the Nittany Lions program, but announced a slew of other penalties including $60 million in fines, no postseason play for four years and a reduction in scholarships. They also vacated 14 years of former coach Joe Paterno’s victories.

Here is how Press readers responded to the question: Do you think the NCAA should penalize Penn State in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal?

“Yes, give them the ‘death penalty’” - 395 voters - 54 percent

“Apply a less harsh punishment” - 121 voters - 16 percent

“No, the people involved are no longer at PSU” - 221 voters - 30 percent


Visit CDAPress.com to participate in our new online poll which asks:

Now that Tina Jacobson knows that Linda Cook is the formerly anonymous blog commenter, almostinnocentbystander, do you think Jacobson should drop the lawsuit?


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  • chouli posted at 3:29 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1294

    The courts need to determine guilt of the people involved, not the NCAA. That's absurd as well.

    You are right, confused, history cannot be changed and games that were won all those years ago cannot be un-won. Joe Paterno may have made mistakes but he still has a legacy of coaching an above board college football team year after year, graduating his athletes at the highest percentage of any collge program. He demanded the best from his players and they all respect him for that regardless of what the media is currently putting out. He is still an honorable man, even with his judgment mistakes.

  • Triumph posted at 7:04 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    Triumph Posts: 673

    well said.

  • CONFUSED posted at 3:30 pm on Fri, Jul 27, 2012.

    CONFUSED Posts: 67

    Just in case my sarcasm was too thick, I want to make it clear I am against all the penalties, bans and loss of games regarding the foottball program. How do you un-win a game, abdsurd.
    I am for the fine. I don't condone what any of the people in authority, or the ones who witnessed it and did nothing more than tell someone, instead of intervening.
    I lived in PA, dreamed of going to PSU and proudly wear shirts with the name. That doesn't mean I support pedophiles or rapists, I support the athletes, of which at PSU has the one of highest athletic graduation percentages among 4 year universities.

  • chouli posted at 2:24 pm on Fri, Jul 27, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1294

    How much more do you think any university should be punished?
    Other than Sandusky, I don't think anyone really had malice towards children. I think through a series of mistakes and very bad judgment on the part of the University, and the out right evil and treachery of Sandusky things have gotten to where they are now.
    Help the victims. Use the fine money specifically for them (although this is not happening) and help the university move forward and learn from the mistakes of the past.
    The constant drum for more blood is unproductive and wrong.

  • DeNiles posted at 1:02 pm on Fri, Jul 27, 2012.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    Well gents, by the time the civil actions are finished Penn State may well be retitled, The Boy Who Got Nailed in Showers University.

    Is this a shame? You bet. The shame could not be any darker or uglier or painful. Just do not let that encroach upon football, eh?

  • Triumph posted at 12:01 pm on Fri, Jul 27, 2012.

    Triumph Posts: 673

    While they are at it they should probably shut down all college sports programs.

  • CONFUSED posted at 10:45 am on Fri, Jul 27, 2012.

    CONFUSED Posts: 67

    Using Deniles logic the whole school should be shut down since the school vice president and athletic director were involved. If your going to punish the football team for the actions of the head coach, then surely you must punish all athletic programs for the action of the AD, and since the VP was involved then surely you must punish the academic programs. This was nothing more than a knee jerk reaction by a person of authority who wanted to puff out his chest and say look at me, i'm tough. Can anyone tell me what NCAA violations were broken? Don't give me the generic "code of conduct" line, I want a legimtiate infraction. The $60 million fine that's justified as this is a CIVIL violation.

  • chouli posted at 10:19 am on Fri, Jul 27, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1294

    Deniles, you're on a pretty high horse.

    No one is putting football above the victims. But that doesn’t stop you and others from harping that for your own perverse needs. And to remind you all what a horrible university Penn State is, they had the highest percent of athlete graduates. Football players graduated with a degree rather than just played football. Prior to this, PSU had zero NCAA violations under Paterno and he was a model for how to run college football programs. Paterno made a mistake by not following up on his reporting of sandusky, but it wasn't a 'protect football' at all costs. It doesn't match with how he spent his life coaching and teaching. He was a man and made mistakes.

    As is usually the case, there is more to this story than what the media loves to jump on.
    The NCAA should have waited until the next 2 court cases are concluded but there's such a rush to judgment. The Freeh report could not even interview the two still pending trial --Curley and Schultz. Since they are key players, don't you think the information from those investigations would be rather pertinent for the NCAA to base a decision and penalty on??

    The Freeh report is incomplete and should not have made the sweeping accusations it did until the full investigation could be done.

    The whole matter is a criminal matter and needs to be decided in the court system. The NCAA has no business intervening to the extent that it did and. The penalties hurt the students more than the institution and do nothing to help the victims. Maybe the $60 million in fines should be earmarked for the victims for education or enhancement purposes rather than some vague fund. Why shouldn't the money be used for the victims in PA?

    Kudos to Triumph and Wheels1 for their level headed thinking. Enough is enough. Penn State has been crippled and it’s time to stop the attack.

  • DeNiles posted at 11:43 am on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    Triumph...... Still don't get it? Let's go with analogies.

    You're saying - do not throw the baby out with the bath water - as though the 'football clique' is entirely innocent and was no part of this program.

    I am saying that the Penn State football clique 'mentality' was the cognitive wallpaper providing the illusion of 'need' to suppress telling the truth about Sandusky. That is what the NCAA is saying with this fine. The NCAA wants nothing to do with and wants everyone to fully understand that it was, and IS, 100% wrong.

    My analogy: You do not keep the public pool open after 6 grown men defecated in it. The 2 are inseparable, 1 in the same. There is no bulwark of defense to be found in any rationale whether it is football or science or politics or industry. The underpinning principle is the very fabric of ethics, right vs wrong. The dye was cast, the bell rung and now t'is time to pay the piper.

    Those who tangentially continue to defend the errant judgment or its consequences simply dig the hole deeper.

  • Triumph posted at 11:20 am on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    Triumph Posts: 673

    Calm down superman. No one is defending Sandusky... No need to call me names or add me to the list of Sandusky defenders. I never said that. Actually I said that he should pay! You say that there may well have been others commiting the same crime as Sandusky. Sure of course there could have. So do you want to close down the entire athletic program because someone might have done something at some time, but there is no evidence or corroberation? The ones who did the crime will do the time. The entire school has been punished, including the football team who did nothing wrong. They were stripped of their last 115 wins, fined 60 million, they can't participate in bowl games for years to come, and the number of scholarships allowed has been slashed. You don't think the innocent have paid a big enough price for the crimes of the evil who have already been punished? Do you know that there are as many as 100 kids that play in a college football program? Many of them have scholarhips? Football is a way for these guys to get a college education when they otherwise may not. Defending the Penn State football program is NOT defending Sandusky. He deserves what he got, but the athletes do not deserve to be punished!!

  • DeNiles posted at 9:56 am on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    Triumph............ As Sandusky continued to ply his putrid perversions he stood upon the shoulders of those who willingly hid his crime. They all may have well been perpetrating the same crime. The rationale used to allow this to occur was that the Penn State football program was more important. The rationale you use to defray and criticize the NCAA punishment is that the Penn State football program is more important.

    More important? Do you seriously wish to add your name to that foundation of idiots who defend Sandusky in the name of a football program?

    There was good reason to haul away Paterno's bronzed statue. It should be melted down and repurposed into urinal sieves.

  • Triumph posted at 9:26 am on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    Triumph Posts: 673

    Cmon guys.. How much blood do you need? What happened to those children was a terrible thing and should never happen. But unfortunately it did. It was perpetrated by a really bad guy. Perhaps a couple others had some knowledge that they should have acted on. Those few should pay according to the law, but the punishment delivered to all of the Penn State students, athletes, and alumni is going too far. DeNiles you may not like or understand football, and that's perfectly ok. But you should know that the guys who are hired to run the school football program hold their jobs in very high regard. Just like the science teacher or math teacher will. That football program brings in revenue to the school that supports many student athletes who just want to get an education and play their sport. Some college kids go to college to party and get an education. Athletes go to play their sport and gain an education. I think that you have a tainted view of college sports.

  • Always Curious posted at 9:13 am on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    Always Curious Posts: 524

    The university dropped the ball in many ways on this one.

    While the athletes and others might feel they are being unjustly punished for the actions of others they have every right to feel that way because it is true. However the victims of the abuse have and will suffer more than any football player, student or alumni.

    The university is being punished because those children where in that situation because it was Sandusky, legendary PENN STATE football coach who was entrusted with their care, not Mr. Sandusky who lives down the street. The university itself was entrusted with their care and they failed in so many ways because of an incredibly misplaced value system where athletics trumped simple right and wrong. Not just once or twice but for years.

    The athletes and others need to direct their anger at those truly responsible for this and rightfully should be viewed as victims, albeit in a different way than the children.

  • DeNiles posted at 8:17 am on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    Actually when one reads the acrimonious complaints coming from the Paterno family and other Penn State affiliates, the penalties need to be more harsh. That is because they continue to demonstrate the same 'football-first' mentality. Their concern is more for their precious football program and less about these crimes or the helpless victims. If they were seriously contrite they'd be asking for harsher penalties, not lighter penalties.

    Bottom line: When the leadership at Penn State chose to protect Sandusky they sacrificed their own integrity and that of they institution they were empowered to make these decisions for. The insititution of Penn State is not a victim but so pervasively arrogant about football as to have inspired and abetted in the coverup.

    As for the current players - I'd drop Penn State like a hot potato. Who would still want to be a Nazi after the concentration camps were uncovered?

  • 986crazy posted at 8:13 am on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    986crazy Posts: 434

    wheels1-Well said. Punish the criminals, not the innocent.

  • wheels1 posted at 6:44 am on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.

    wheels1 Posts: 484

    Not so.Why punish the kids who play with heart,dignity and honor for the actions of a few disgusting adults.Make it a criminal action and take it out of the NCAA's hands.

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