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Posted: Sunday, August 26, 2012 12:00 am

COEUR d'ALENE - Walk into first-grade teacher Erin Lenz's classroom at Winton Elementary School and you'll see another door on the other side of the room, the only entrance to another classroom full of more first-graders, with their own teacher.

While Lenz is working with her 6- and 7-year-old students, kids from that other class have to pass through the rear of Lenz's classroom to use the restroom or go anywhere else in the 1925-era school house.

"You try to keep their attention, but they're waving because that's their best friend walking by while they're sitting right there," Lenz said. "It's really distracting."

That's just one of the building design flaws that is affecting learning for kids at Winton, one of five Coeur d'Alene schools targeted for major renovations should voters approve a $32.7 million dollar bond at the polls on Tuesday.

Winton and the other schools that will be remodeled should voters pass the bond - Borah, built in 1950; Bryan, built in 1962; Sorensen, built in 1957; and Canfield Middle School, built in 1975 - have other outdated structural details that affect the safety, security and health of kids spending their school days there.

Bryan Martin, the school district's director of maintenance, said one of the biggest problems is that classes are held in portables that sit outside the main school buildings at Winton, Borah, Bryan and Canfield. The bond funds will create additional classroom space within the buildings, and allow the district to remove the portables.

Lenz used to teach in the portables at Winton, where the older elementary students attend class.

"I had kids using the restroom and they had to go outside to go to the main building. That's a safety issue," Lenz said. "That shouldn't be happening in this day and age."

It also takes the teacher's focus away from teaching, she said.

Other structural issues at Winton affect students with disabilities. As it stands, a child in a wheelchair living near Winton would not be able to attend his or her neighborhood school. The building has stairs that make it impossible for a student with a wheelchair to go into the school through the front door and get downstairs to the cafeteria/gym. That student would have to go back outside through the front door, through the parking lot, around the building and in through the back door to have lunch.

"I hope it's not snowing or raining," Martin said.

When Winton was built, there was no need for technology, and there are no structural provisions for it, Martin said.

"We're always bringing in circuits where we can," he said.

The bond includes funding to upgrade the technology infrastructure at schools throughout the district, addressing cabling needs, updating switches, servers and wireless service.

The need for the renovations and upgrades is not because the buildings haven't been maintained, Martin said.

"They're not neglected at all ... the problem is we're trying to drive around a couple of Model A's," he said.

And that's expensive. Martin said that at Winton, Borah, Bryan and Sorensen the cost per child is one of the highest in the district, driven up by the labor hours put into maintaining the school and higher utility bills due to the age of the buildings.

The bond will not increase the tax rate for district property owners because it is replacing two tax items that are coming off the tax rolls this year. The owner of a $200,000 home (less the homeowner's exemption) will pay an estimated $49 annually for the proposed bond. This is the current amount taxpayers have been paying for the Lake City High School bond and the KTEC facilities levy, which are expiring. Should the bond fail at the polls, taxpayers will see their tax bills decrease accordingly.

The measure requires a supermajority - 66 2/3 percent of the votes cast on election day - to pass.

Superintendent Hazel Bauman said the changes that need to be made in the buildings can't be mitigated by maintenance. Critics have indicated the school district waited too long to address these facilities issues.

Bauman said the district's focus for years had to be on increasing enrollment, especially in the northwestern part of the district.

"We had to house kids, build new schools. Now, we've flattened out with our enrollment and the facilities challenges continue," Bauman said. "Interest rates are low, construction costs are low. We thought this was a good time. These buildings will last another 50-60 years."

The district expects to lock in an interest rate of 3 percent or lower. The bond, plus interest, will be paid off over a 13-year period.

Board chair Tom Hamilton said the trustees looked hard at the bond proposal before agreeing to it. They had to be convinced, he said, that this was cost-effective.

This is the first school construction bond or levy brought to voters by this slate of board members. Hamilton and Terri Seymour were elected in 2011, and the remaining three trustees were all appointed within the last few months.

"We're going to be responsible with the funds," Hamilton said.

A new policy was put in place last year to ensure that all bond funds go to the specific projects voters are told they will pay for.

Hamilton said the board has called for the district administration to put dollars into a rainy day fund to address maintenance and facility issues.

"There's not a lot of money for that, but the message to the superintendent is clear, that we can't keep going back to the taxpayers every time there's something wrong with a district building," Hamilton said.

Tuesday's ballot measure addresses the quality of the learning environment for many district students, he said.

"You walk into Atlas, and then you walk into Bryan, there's a huge difference," Hamilton said. "Our downtown schools should be the same as our other schools."

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  • Nam trung posted at 9:15 pm on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

    Nam trung Posts: 7

    I completely agree with views that shared JustBNMe, it completely .authentic.

  • Chad Oakland posted at 10:37 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    Chad Oakland Posts: 1

    Ignorance is bliss! I speak of this mostly for myself. Until I had children myself, I never knew the importance of schools and teachers.

    I understand all points to the argument and all I can ask, is that if you have ever benefited from something someone else has given you...then vote YES.

    In no way do I believe that new "stick & bricks" will make my children smarter, I just hope that it will give them yet another tool to better themselves and our community.

    We all care about the greater CDA area and its future, lets make the right (and BEST choice) for the kids and vote YES....

    Thanks, and please make a difference in a childs life

  • max power posted at 6:32 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    max power Posts: 559

    *** Local Woman & Winton Elementary School Graduate Delivers Triplets While Bungee Jumping ***

    Canon City, Colorado - Last week local resident Maddie Jo Bobbit, 27, and her grandmother Gretchen Batboxette, 73, were visiting the famous Royal Gorge. Maddie Jo who was 8 months, 3 weeks, and 6 days pregnant told her grandmother that she wanted to bungee jump off the 1,053 foot tall Royal Gorge Bridge.

    Her grandmother looked at her and told her she was crazier than "Slo-Joe" Joe Biden who is known for his outlandish quotes, quips, gaffes and day to day bufoonery. Granny Gretchen told her she wasn't worried about her, however, she was worried about the triplets she was carrying.

    Maddie Jo, who in high school was named "Girl most likely to bungee jump off the Royal Gorge Bridge while pregnant" said that she had confidence that she would be alright. With that she paid her $20 and proceeded to get ready for her bungee jump. A reporter from the Carson City Gazette was ready to film the whole incident. She counted down 3-2-1 and then she went over the railing. As she hit the end of the bungee cord she bounced back up and was immediately brought back onto the bridge by the Bungee Jump Manager and his Assistant.

    Just as they were untying the harness, Maddie Jo began hollering that she could feel a baby's head pushing against her biscuit (groin goody).

    The Bungee Jump Manager identified as Drake Baumbright, 51, said that he knew a little CPR and had recently watched old 1960's "Dr. Ben Casey" television re-runs on the cable "T.V. Land Channel". Baumbright and his assistant, 16 year old Joaquin Caramba knew they had to deliver the babies since they were to far from town. And so the two men delivered one baby, and then a second and then a third. "It was pretty traumatic but we just let nature take it's course", said Joaquin. He also commented that Maddie Jo's (blank) was prettier than Britney Spear's (blank).

    Maddie Jo immediately named the three boys - Drake in honor of Drake Baumbright, Joaquin in honor of Joaquin Caramba and Joe after "Slo-Joe" Biden.

    SIDENOTE: Maddie Jo Bobbitt plans on enrolling her three boys into Winton Elementary School just as soon as they are old enough...

  • concernedcitizen posted at 6:09 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530


    Please prove us wrong.

  • inclined posted at 3:31 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    inclined Posts: 681

    Is the decline in the real-estate market not at issue? With foreclosures in Kootanai county, in CdA, won’t tax rates for school debt go up? Is there a big enough picture for the voting public to get this right? Is there not a decline in property taxes due to the recession that is part of the bond equation? Just as important in this community, along with the number of home foreclosures are business closings that spell properties off the tax rolls. What is the purposed percentage in drop of CdA tax base as relates to payback schedules?

    Should voters OK bonds for construction projects, they are typically approving a specific amount to be borrowed over a specified time period. Voters also are agreeing to increase taxes by whatever “millage rate” is needed to make the bond payments. In normal times, this isn’t the main issue. Normally officials put a bond request on the ballot, they can project the initial tax increase needed, and normal growth in the tax base provides assurance the rate will drop over time. But with property values dropping, will taxes generate enough revenues to cover bond payments, forcing them to increase the “millage rate” -- like it or not?

    While we are a recreation community, with true unemployment rates getting higher every month and subsequently increased number of employers shutting doors—what is true of the past, districts have seen growth---loss of more major employers could seriously affect more than the prospects of paying debt for schools. There is a big picture, and not just our parochial condition. There are people on this blog that can elaborate and verify what is actually at stake.

  • inclined posted at 2:19 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    inclined Posts: 681

    "This state is second most republican in the nation, next to Utah. Why do we hear so much bellyaching about this board is "right"? Could be the super minority are the ones active on the blogs." I do think there is an inordinate number of the Left here, as is true in their dominance in main stream news. They know how to use media outlets effectively, and if conservatives don't read, listen, get out and vote, their efforts will sway, at least more of them, to vote.

  • chouli posted at 1:12 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1283

    How can you say that "this bond will not raise our taxes"?
    How can you say "Taxes haven't been raised for schools in years"?
    How can you say "Staff hasn't asked for or received a raise in 5 years"?
    Not true.

    When do we get to have no bond or levy that is added on to our tax bill? Ever??
    Every year the school district asks for another bond or levy.

    The schools must also live within their budgets. It's a tough lesson that seems to be put aside year after the taxpayers expense.

  • Joseph Jr posted at 12:53 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    Two sizeable NEW schools could be built, instead of pouring money into these old buildings. This is outrageous.

    My best guess is, that local contractors are pushing to do renovations, because they are not big enough to do bids on projects like new schools.

    This is going to be a huge waste of taxpayer money.

    In 10 years, they will be saying something like, "Well, we renovated 10 years ago, and that was a 'band aid.' Now we just need to do the right thing and build new schools."

    Renovating is a waste of taxpayer money, proven over and over again nationwide.

  • LTRLTR posted at 12:30 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    "The need for the renovations and upgrades is not because the buildings haven't been maintained, Martin said"


    The older school have been maintained but they need upgrades to bring them into today's world. I once lived in a old rental that cost me a small fortune to heat during the winter months. Than I moved into a brand new, much larger house where my heating bills were cut in half because of the newer energy efficient furnance resulting in a huge savings to my budget.

    The Cda. School District cannot control the budgets of City of Cda, LCDC, County or State. Cda. School Administrators and new Board Trustees have brought forward more details regarding the bond unlike ever before. They are trying really hard to show the facts, cut expenses, and be accountable to our community like no other government agency. There is no more fat to trim!

    If your property taxes are becoming a burden to your budget, than I encourage you to attend the City of Cda. and North Idaho College's budget hearings because they are the two agencies that have tons of fat to cut.

  • 5inPfs posted at 10:55 am on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    5inPfs Posts: 753

    Stop dropping babies?!!!!

    My response, "stop making puerile comments".

    Seriously, you are just coming across as spiteful.

  • AsISeeIt posted at 9:51 am on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    AsISeeIt Posts: 28

    " is re directed to other things it was not intended to be used for poshey offices instead of a classroom."

    So where is this "poshey office" you speak of?

    "Someone also posted about the $800,000 GIVEN to insider Patano for plans that were NEVER used for Lakes Middle School."

    Aside from “someone” in the blog world, where is your proof? Has this been investigated? And what proo do you have administration’s friends are taking their share?


    ...these buildings were intentionally allowed to deteriorate so the bond is more of a necessity. Dishonest."

    Yeah and GWB let 911 happen so he could have his war and FDR sacrificed Pearl so he could have his. And Armstrong never walked on the moon; it was a Hollywood production starring OJ Simpson.

  • objective posted at 9:39 am on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    objective Posts: 73

    For a hundred plus years, property taxes (everyones) have paid for public schools. Whether you have children or not is imaterial. Otherwise there would only be private schools..right?
    Schools and their maintenance should be supported just as highways, sidewalks, libraries, parks, etc...but these are the community's children for goodness sake! Each...EACH..of us has a vested interest in local education.
    These school buildings are in the shape they are because the prior board; which ran things in their "its my board" way for twenty years. The current board and superintendent are working to get things right in my view.
    How many of you signed up to throw out the mayor? No? So spending the multimillions on her projects is fine...but oh money for schools..right?
    I swear...sometimes this community of bloggers baffles the mind!

  • my own opinion posted at 7:19 am on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    my own opinion Posts: 397

    Some here agree with some of what I said and some don't. Are you done with your rant?
    you make a good point some money is re directed to other things it was not intended to be used for poshey offices instead of a classroom. I say no more the kids will never see it. Vote no to 13 more years of lies.

  • concernedcitizen posted at 6:30 am on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530


    I agree everyone should pay simply because theirs was paid by those before them. HOWEVER I disagree with you on improving our community. You ARE correct that it SHOULD start with the kids. But it does NOT. Just look at McEuen in a depression. The amount of money paid for the commercial corridor for OFFICES not classrooms. Someone also posted about the $800,000 GIVEN to insider Patano for plans that were NEVER used for Lakes Middle School.

    I believe in giving to those that teach. Not admin. and/or their friends. Until teachers take a stand against government waste, I will have to vote NO!

  • Fralphgob posted at 6:27 am on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    Fralphgob Posts: 54

    Fernan Elementary: Built within the budget.
    Atlas Elementary: Built within the budget.
    Hayden Meadows: Built within the budget.
    Woodland Middle School: Built with the budget
    Coeur d'Alene High School: Remodeled within the budget.
    Dalton Elementary: Remodeled within the budget.
    Ramsey Elementary: Remodeled within the budget.
    Lake City High School: Built under budget.
    Lakes Middle School: Partially remodeled over budget.
    (Pretty good record)


    All school budgets have been trimmed.
    Staff has been reduced.
    Staff hasn't asked for or received a raise in 5 years.
    Taxes haven't been raised for schools in years.
    The budget for the schools is posted on line and accessible to all.
    This bond WILL NOT raise taxes. This bond WILL NOT raise taxes. This bond WILL NOT raise taxes.

    These buildings are OURS. The money spent on remodeling, maintaining and updating these buildings will benefit our community and is an investment in our home. The district has shown it is responsible and has a long and positive track record. With the exception of Lakes it has delivered on everything it has gone after and if you look at what happened with Lakes even that is understandable. Much effort has gone into cutting costs and making the district budgets open to all. Our children deserve a safe and modern classroom. Lets vote yes and invest in this community's present and future.

  • JustBNMe posted at 11:38 pm on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    JustBNMe Posts: 35

    'My Own' - Saying you shouldn't have to pay for schools because you don't have children is like saying you shouldn't have to help pay for 911 because you've never used it. It's ridiculous. Actually, you SHOULD care about other people's children, because over the years they will be the ones working for you and with you, starting businesses, and even running local government. Give them the mininum and we'll never see any change in the quality of those running or banks and businesses, our district, the LCDC or any part of our city. Instead of complaining, invest in improvements in our community, starting with our kids.

    You see, at the end of the day, that is what this money is for. It's not going to increase teacher or admin pay, support programs that are only used by some, or other operations costs. These improvements will directly benefit the students. As far as funding a project at a time, let me ask you this....if we had done that a few years ago, would you have been fine paying top interest rates and top dollar for construction costs or would you have said no because the cost was too much? This is a decent chance to improve our local schools while the interest and costs are historically low. Yes, over the next 13 years, other improvements will be needed before we pay this off, but there will be fewer problems than if we just react like other districts and wait until roofs start collapsing or kids start getting sick before we start renovations. And for those of you who say the district should fix one thing at a time like you have to at home, I remind you that if they did that, you would complain even louder that "every year they are asking for another levy". Remember that when you refi to do home improvements, you don't have to ask voters for permission. The fact is, for less than $50 per year, with no increase to current taxes, we can upgrade our schools. Using the LCDC and Lakes arguments is an excuse. Yes, I'd love to see the board stand up for some funding changes, but even if they did that tomorrow, it would take time and these schools need these improvements now. They actually needed them years ago, and it's the kids who ultimately pay the price, not to mention how much of our tax dollars are probably going to heat schools with 50 year old single pane windows. It's a lot of money, no doubt, but the plans lay out pretty well where the money is going and the rates are lower than they are ever going to get. Look at the breakdown of where the money goes, check out the information on the schools in question, and vote YES on this. It's less per year than you pay to eat out every month, while putting jobs into our community, improving buildings in our city and benefitting kids who have no idea what the LCDC or McEuen Field mean. If you don't like the LCDC or the board, fine, but voting no on this won't affect who is in charge, it will only affect our students. And then, in the future, we can pay even more for these renovations when buildings are literally crumbling down on our students. Vote YES.

  • chouli posted at 8:46 pm on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1283

    asking for nearly 33 million dollars...for how many years to repay? and every year we get another levy or bond passed...just when does it stop? as educators, surely you know the definition of the word "budget".

    I will not vote for your bond or any additional levy. you need to live within your budget. period.
    why have these buildings been ALLOWED to deteriorate? why wasn't there a priority to maintain the buildings? well, my thought is these buildings were intentionally allowed to deteriorate so the bond is more of a necessity. Dishonest.

    and having bond elections separate from a regularly scheduled election when voters are more likely to show up so you can better control the vote and get more "yes" votes is also dishonest. Hopefully the polling places aren't located at the schools anymore.

    enough is enough...VOTE NO

  • my own opinion posted at 4:02 pm on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    my own opinion Posts: 397

    Walk into first-grade teacher Erin Lenz's classroom at Winton Elementary School and you'll see another door on the other side of the room, the only entrance to another classroom full of more first-graders, with their own teacher.
    Great, now a fire hazard! stop dropping babies!

  • my own opinion posted at 3:58 pm on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    my own opinion Posts: 397

    Hey in California the schools get fixed and taken care of with money from tax payers not stolen!

  • my own opinion posted at 3:49 pm on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    my own opinion Posts: 397

    SamuelStanding, I pay my taxes and do not need to pay taxes as you say for "my child" Hey I have no children and should not be expected to pay for others children weather it be because they have kids they can't afford or the school district that just sucks money. Schools don't want to pay the teachers the teachers should not have to pay for the classroom supplies but they sure don't mind getting kids to bring packages of supplies in (usually more than a single child will use in a year) to only supply the less fortunate kids. When I was in school The tax dollars from attending students parents paid for all the supplies. I had all the crayons pencils paper I needed. what do the schools do with all the money they squeeze and force the tax payers to "give" any time they "vote"???????

  • Mabell posted at 1:35 pm on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    Mabell Posts: 166

    "August is traditionally picked, because only 2/3s of the VOTING public (not the public) need approve."

    So much in this one sentence to discuss. First ... August is traditionally picked. Really?? That is the "tradition" - because I can't remember the last time we held a vote in August. Are you sure about this? And to tie in with that - 2/3 vote needed. That is because the District is requesting a bond this time instead of a levy. (A levy only requires a 55% approval). When was the last time the District requested a bond instead of a levy? Have you read Mr. Hamilton's My Turn column from earlier this week?

    Then - you seem to be insinuating that you don't agree with the 2/3 vote needed from the VOTING public. Do you think that the 2/3 of the PUBLIC should approve this? I'm pretty sure nothing would ever be approved by a public vote - even at only 50% - if the percentage was taken from all citizens.

    Please tell me - have you visited any of the schools that need the repairs??

  • LTRLTR posted at 1:30 pm on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Go to and view the following:

    School Bond CONSTRUCTION Timeline

    Canfield PowerPoint Presentation to Board

    Bryan Elementary School Bond Presentation

    Borah Elementary School Bond Presentation

    Winton Elementary School Bond Presentation

    Sorensen Magnet School Bond Presentation

    Costs & Budgets for School Bond Projects

  • SamuelStanding posted at 1:15 pm on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    SamuelStanding Posts: 589

    Very good points being made here! LCDC is the biggest hurdle for the TAX Payers, but Superintendents need to stop sittng on their heels and make their voices be heard, and stop the competition for tax dollars. This City and County leaders need to remember WHAT is important and it is not a BOOK END park for the Mayor/lap dog of Dwane Hagadone.
    If this levy does not pass, the district will tweek and come back in 30 - 60 days with another election for a different dollar amount.
    August is traditionally picked, because only 2/3's of the VOTING public (not the public) need approve. In August, people are out having their last vacation and are distracted. So the POSITIVE vote comes in higher than if the vote was held during the school year.
    Money has been squandered, true. Construction companies BANK on those cost over runs! And this District does not concern itself with such obstructions, after all, it is someone else's money being spent.
    If the people are going to move here, then there needs to be a cost associated with the increase to the student population. Whether that is through development or other means. Don't come if you cannot support yourself and don't come if you think you can get out of paying for your child(ren)s education.

  • cda271 posted at 1:09 pm on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    cda271 Posts: 50

    As a teacher...I "ditto" Ms Objective. Though my peers work overtime to sound like the majority, I know different. I and many others support Mr. Hamilton, Mr. Purtee and Ms. Seymour and Ms. Seddon. We are happy with the selection of Mr. Hightower. Finally a well rounded, intelligent board. Lets leave them alone to do the job they "volunteered" to do.

  • Mahiun posted at 1:07 pm on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    Mahiun Posts: 5415

    But that's like taking out a 10-year home equity loan to fix the water seepage in your basement, and then having the front porch collapse, 3 years into that 10-year loan, and refusing to do anything about it because you still have 7 years left on your home equity loan. You can't get in or out of the house, but by golly, you need to tackle these projects one at a time!

    It would be nice to be able to have everything that neat, tidy, and organized. But life just doesn't work that way. The district absolutely could do a better job of tracking and accounting for its money, no argument there. But to deny them anything because they can't anticipate everything that might come up in the future ---- well, that's nothing more than looking for an excuse to say, "No."

  • objective posted at 1:06 pm on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    objective Posts: 73

    I have made some of the school tours. The bond is needed. All the trustees support and campaign for the bond. Lets support the community by supporting the bond.
    Overall, the trustees; "all of them" are doing a really good/fair/equitable job. I especially like that Hamilton and Purtee take such active rolls in discussions. The display a sense of independence.
    A side note to those who simply hate "who ever" is sitting on the board. The current board; to my understanding, has passed none of it's own policies, nor have they changed anything with how the schools are run now compared to the prior incestuous board and they made a thought out decision to terminate IB when they showed us all the numbers do not pan out. Why say anything like: "send them packing"?
    Each of them brings a strength to the board. Isn't that what we want?
    This state is second most republican in the nation, next to Utah. Why do we hear so much bellyaching about this board is "right"? Could be the super minority are the ones active on the blogs.
    To me it seems the board represents the community much more so than the prior "bobble-headed" board of Edie Brooks.
    The intelligent, open minded individual would not say something like Mr. Adamsfly or others like him have said.
    I intend to support the board in its efforts to support the superintendent.

  • NativeMom posted at 11:34 am on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    NativeMom Posts: 15

    The need to update some schools is obvious. The reason I will vote no is that this will affect our taxes for 13 years. I can almost guarantee that the cda district will not wait 13 years to ask for more money, at which time our taxes will increase again. The district needs to take a one project at a time approach to get me on board. That would be like me refinancing my home to get all the projects done at one time. Rarely a financially sound decision.

  • cd1013 posted at 11:10 am on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    cd1013 Posts: 203

    So does anyone remember when we voted for the bond to revamp Lakes Middle School and the money was squandered? Up until then I've voted for every request. A 20+year home owner in Cd'A who has never had one child go to a school here. But I'm done and for this reason. In the LCDC Lake District map sits Winton school. I've yet to hear of LCDC, (who siphons millions of dollars annually) giving one thin dime to improving that school. Plenty for new roads into NIC, ( who charges tuition to attend) and plenty for their friends and their projects but not a cent for the local public schools. Millions for a park but nothing for the kids. Go to the developers who build more and more houses adding more children/students to an already over loaded system. Go to LCDC who can take our tax dollars to give to special interest projects. But stop asking us who are doing our best to get through the worst recession in recent history.

  • LTRLTR posted at 10:37 am on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    I support Randy's 8:21 a.m. comment.

    Anyone that has visited these old schools would not question the need for this bond.

    The citizens asked for accountability from the School Administration and they have responded by reducing costs and bringing forward a bond that only covers the the most important needs. Thank you Administrators!

    We now have a school board that listens and does their own investigation in their decision making process (no more head nodders) as we have asked. Thank you Trustees!

    Our community made their demands and the school has responded. I voted "yes" because it is a fact these old schools need the recommended upgrades and we need the extra safety measures for the children.

  • concernedcitizen posted at 9:49 am on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530


    Where does it end? Admin is WAY to top heavy and they keep asking the actual teachers to take less. A clear message to ALL government has to be sent for them to live within OUR means.

  • concernedcitizen posted at 8:29 am on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530


    Like straight up said, quit building subdivisions and inviting. The developer is the one making the money on the influx of people. They are the ones that should be paying for the new growth and need. Not the existing taxpayers.

    Besides, teachers teach. Not buildings.

    VOTE NO!

  • Adamsfly posted at 8:18 am on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    Adamsfly Posts: 46

    I swear, most of you wouldn't be happy unless all we had were one room school houses to educate our kids in.
    Why don't all of you go back to CA and Texas and take purtee with you.

  • mister d posted at 7:20 am on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    mister d Posts: 1531

    You are absolutely correct voxpop, there is not enough space in this section to discribe the distruction Goedde and Nonini have done to public education. They and their minions have worked hard to put business first at the cost of our kids. Don't blame the schools for the state of education, blame our lousy legislators that you keep voting in. Pay me now or pay me later. Business benefits mean higher taxes for the rest of us. Uneducated legislators mean no value is seen in education

  • ancientemplar posted at 7:08 am on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    ancientemplar Posts: 1268

    $32,700.000 That's more than two McEuen Parks! I don't think the patrons of SD271 can afford all three.

  • voxpop posted at 6:32 am on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    voxpop Posts: 738

    I mostly agree with Straightup. LCDC is nothing but a way for business to circumvent the locked door to taxpayer funding. Thank legislators like Nonini and Goedde. With the school districts however, superintendents HAVE fought tooth and nail to have developers pay for the strain put on infrastructure. But, again, legislators like Nonini and Goedde have refused to allow impact fees for such things. And also, thanks to these same two legislators, Idaho continues to be last in school funding of all 50 states, with levies forced to fail unless a SUPER, super majority accedes. Idaho is a binary system of govt where the legislature and business orbit each other while the rest of us go along for the ride.

  • DeNiles posted at 6:32 am on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    Okay, assume this bond passes. Are the schools all fixed? Is the budget in order and large enough? Will teachers be happy? Will the students learn better?

    Or, - what will the next bond campaign be about? When does the system learn to live within our economy? When do they stop making excuses for failing to instruct? We all know the answers to these questions.

  • straight up posted at 5:28 am on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    straight up Posts: 963

    Two Points - both for School District Superintendents

    Point #1 - Moving forward, when city councils and county commissioners are holding hearings on approving more residential development than your district can support, show up in the public forum and tell them to say no. Until these fools learn the principal of "pay as you go", District Superintendents will always be forced to beg for levy money to pay for the elected officials ludicrous decision making.

    Point #2 - Lend your voice and position to end the ridiculous practice of LCDC taking "your" rightful collected tax money to fund their luxury "wants" and not our children's "needs." Once again, every million taken by LCDC is a million you have to ask "us" for in Levy funds. Seems to me that equates to "us" being asked to pay double. As for me, I don't want to play that game any longer.

    I'd wager there are very few voters who would vote against a school levy if it were not for the LCDC tax-mongers skimming away our tax payments that we'd love to see go to the schools. I'd also wager that there are many who won't vote for a levy until this insane tax-skimming practice stops.

    As for this levy and how it affects the very area that LCDC does most of its dirty work......we'll all get a nice shiny new park and the downtown area school kids will likely get more of the same.

    So goes life in Chicago West.

    Superintendents - Let your voices be heard and stop being sheep.

  • Jill Heine posted at 1:47 am on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    Jill Heine Posts: 408

    whoopee - stop having kids! I doubt this bleeding heart story materialized yesterday. Where did yesteryears funding get squandered?

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