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Posted: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:53 pm

COEUR D'ALENE – Bruce W. Bandel, 57, of Coeur d'Alene, was sentenced today to seven years, three months in prison for unlawful possession of a firearm, announced U.S. Attorney Wendy J. Olson.

U.S. District Judge Edward J. Lodge ordered Bandel to serve three years of supervised release following his prison term and forfeit three firearms founds in his possession. Bandel pleaded guilty to a one count superseding information on October 31.

According to the plea agreement, Bandel admitted that on March 16, 1976, in Nez Perce County he pleaded guilty to grand larceny, a felony offense punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year.

Bandel also admitted that on February 24, 2009, during a traffic stop in Illinois, he was found in possession of approximately 100 pounds of marijuana. Bandel subsequently pleaded guilty to unlawful possession of cannabis with intent to deliver and was sentenced to 180 days in jail and fined $37,778.

According to the plea agreement, two days after the traffic stop in Illinois, a search warrant for evidence of drug trafficking was executed at Bandel's Coeur d'Alene residence. During the search, officers with the North Idaho Violent Crime Task force found and seized a .22 firearm, a .25 semi-automatic firearm, a P-380 semi-automatic firearm.

Bandel is prohibited from possessing firearms due to his prior felony convictions.The case was investigated by the North Idaho Violent Crime Task Force.

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  • Rogue Cop posted at 10:35 am on Fri, Mar 2, 2012.

    Rogue Cop Posts: 2371

    I thought you said you were 14 when you stole the car, not 17. Being tried as an adult at 17 is not all that unusual.

    You have added several facts to the scenario, ie: the attorney conflict issue. But initially you said, "I was a troubled youth....foster homes, JDH, homeless, you name it. I ran with a bad group and at 14 years old, I stole a car and was caught. The state of washington remanded it to adult court and I have been a felon my entire adult life."

    Now in today's post you seem to indicate that you once pulled a fire alarm, and then stole a car at 17. There's a disconnect between THAT and all your other troubles stated above. When you say you "ran with a bad group" one would assume that group ran afoul of the law as well.

    We could go on ad infinitum with individual stories and circumstances. Maybe you were treated unfairly. Do you think someone who commits perjury should be banned from owning or possessing a firearm for the rest of their life? Probably depends on the circumstances, but that's the law so I'm sure you're not the only one feeling aggrieved.

    Let's not get too far removed from what this comment section is about. This guy committed grand theft, was a drug dealer, and possessed multiple firearms connected with those convictions in violation of his parole. I've got no problem with THAT guy being prohibited from owning or possessing firearms for life.

    What would your average law-abiding citizen say if this guy shot someone during the commission of a crime or while delivering his contraband? They'd be outraged that a guy with his record was allowed to possess a weapon.

    And BTW, I agree with you that just because a law is enacted doesn't make it right, just, or constitutional.

  • bluidevl posted at 9:57 pm on Thu, Mar 1, 2012.

    bluidevl Posts: 143

    RC...Your right...I did leave out info. My past extensive criminal behavior...I pulled a fire alarm once(after school was out for the day). No, there were no weapons, as I said I am the last person you would believe is a felon. I would never turn a weapon on a human unless my or my family life was in danger. I am relieved you are doubtful that is the truth, becuase that is exactly why I shared it. I pled guilty rather than go to prison at 17 years old (yes...prison). Want another tidbit? my defense attorney took a job with the prosecuters office and was the prosecuter when it went to court...Yeah..thats not supposed to happen...unless your a white trash kid with no future that nobody cared about (I doubt I was the only one). Until broader knowledge of people like me becomes understood, people will continue to think because someone is a felon, they are a bad person. Research measure 11 in oregon and the child victims of that law(for reference, not because I was charged with one). Just because a law is made does not make it consitutional or right, it just makes it a law. I have paid for what I did for the last 16 years with no end in sight.

  • Rogue Cop posted at 12:09 pm on Thu, Mar 1, 2012.

    Rogue Cop Posts: 2371

    blue: Just a few observations...If you were tried as an adult at 14 yrs old for stealing a car, I'm guessing that you left out a few details, like perhaps your past criminal history. Were you armed at the time of the theft? Did you plead guilty or were you convicted?

    If it was a simple car theft you could have lo these many years petitioned the court to have your record expunged. So, I'm not convinced that a car theft at age 14 is the only thing that has kept you from owning a firearm.

    BTW, we're not talking about MY impression of you for the rest of your life. I have many friends who have had "run-ins" with the law. Nor am I saying that my family is more important to protect than yours. These are laws that legislatures have enacted over the years and have thus far passed constitutional muster. If the laws are unfair or overreaching there are mechanisms in place to change them.

    Because I am in general agreement with banning convicted felons from owning a firearm doesn't mean that I am condemning you as a person. Yes, some criminals can't outrun their past...but I know many who have.

  • bluidevl posted at 5:31 am on Thu, Mar 1, 2012.

    bluidevl Posts: 143

    ooops....was supposed to say "monkey" on our backs....need to fire my proofreader! Felony crimes are not all violent. Changing the price you paid on a bill of sale in Idaho will enable them to take your firearms for the rest of your life...there is a long list of misdemeanors (sp?) that will also....or if they THINK you are mentally unstable....

  • bluidevl posted at 5:19 am on Thu, Mar 1, 2012.

    bluidevl Posts: 143

    Rogue cop- Would you like an example? and I know of MANY more. I was a troubled youth....foster homes, JDH, homeless, you name it. I ran with a bad group and at 14 years old, I stole a car and was caught. The state of washington remanded it to adult court and I have been a felon my entire adult life. I am a local business owner, home owner, employ 6 people, stong marriage of 12 years, 3 kids...etc and you would never know unless I told you, in fact, most people think I am joking. I am the last person you need to worry about having a gun, but by your standards, something I did as a child will dictate your impression of me for the rest of my life and now you think your family is more important to protect than mine because I am not legally allowed to own a tool to defend or feed them. This infringement on our 2nd amendment rights is wrong. Our system is supposed to be one of rehabilitation. How do you expect someone to ever feel like a legit, contributing member or society if we always have this money on our back? If you were a cop, you should know first hand, alot of criminals want to be straight, but can never outrun their past and are unemployable, so they return to what they know.

  • Rogue Cop posted at 2:16 pm on Wed, Feb 29, 2012.

    Rogue Cop Posts: 2371

    Joe, two things...(1) The law states that, so yes they've lost those rights. Laws can be repealed or amended. (2) Committing a felony requires a specific intentional act. You have a choice at that point in time whether you want to give up some future rights OR choose not to commit a serious criminal offense and keep your rights. There has to be consequences relative to choice.

    I don't know you but I'll assume you've never been convicted of a felony. Why not? Because you choose not to (unless you've just been lucky). How many average Joes go about their business, raising a family and obeying the law? (Rhetorical question).

    A felon makes a conscious choice. It's not a matter of, 'Oh sorry, I wasn't thinking. My mind wandered or I wasn't paying attention.' There is specific intent or gross negligence involved in felony convictions. I don't have a problem if a convicted felon never gets his hands on a gun again.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 12:35 pm on Wed, Feb 29, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    RC, you know me & you agree on most things, right?

    Let's say someone gets convicted of a felony. First offense.

    They do their time, if any, and pay the restitution. Serve their parole/probation.
    For the next 20 years, or the rest of their life, they have lost the right to defend themselves, legallty against ANYONE who decides to threaten them with a gun?

    As well, they get NO represntation in government, as they have no say in anything that happens?

    I AGREE with you that repeat felons (obviously any violence involved) people should not have guns, but if the crime wasn't intended to physically hurt anyone, should that make the felon unable to protect himself or his family for the rest of his life?

  • Rogue Cop posted at 11:54 am on Wed, Feb 29, 2012.

    Rogue Cop Posts: 2371

    We're not talking about taking a person's right to own a firearm from a drunk driver, or a petty thief, or someone who vandalized some property. A felony is a serious offense. And a repeated felon has demonstrated that he/she doesn't have the judgement or self control to have a right to have a firearm. The felonies that this guy was convicted of require specific intent. And he clearly demonstrated that he didn't "just make a mistake". He is a repeat offender.

    Where do you draw the line? On a guy convicted of armed robbery or of murdering someone with a firearm?

    What would be your argument if one of your family members was shot by someone who has been convicted of multiple felonies, serves his/her time, and possesses a weapon for self-defense. Drug dealers often possess firearms because in that culture violence is common.

    I think what you proponents of gun rights are failing to see is that when a person is convicted of a felony, they have intentionally decided to disobey the law and commit a serious offense. It's not an oversight or a "mistake" as someone stated.

    babydriver: You said, "It doesn't matter if you are... transporting a government mandated illegal item, you can still be robbed." So is it your position that somebody could rob a drug dealer so he/she ought to be armed? How about, a guy robs a bank so while he's enroute to his hideout he could be robbed of the money he robbed so he ought to be armed to protect his stolen goods? A guy steals your car and somebody might try to carjack him so he has a right to be armed to prevent someone from stealing your car from him?

    You guys are taking the 2nd Amendment to an extreme and esoteric definition and you're trying to impute the intention of the Bill of Rights to mean something absolute.

  • IDmtnman posted at 10:39 am on Wed, Feb 29, 2012.

    IDmtnman Posts: 55

    As a firearms owner, ardent supporter of our Second Ammendment rights and a life member of the NRA among affiliations with other organizations I whole heartedly endorse the strictest mandatory punishment for weapons violations. If this country enforced the laws currently active on the books, we wouldn't have to fight day in and day out to protect the rights and choices of all law abiding citizens. This is a good example on how things SHOULD be done!

  • babydriver posted at 8:23 am on Wed, Feb 29, 2012.

    babydriver Posts: 1393

    Gosh Rogue, How about self defense? I doesn't matter if you are running a gas station or transporting a government mandated illegal item, you can still be robbed.

    Losing the right to defend oneself and the right to vote is cruel and unusual punnishment. Just look at all of the very low lifes that have the vote now. Is this guy on welfare? Nope, an entrepreneur making his way through life.

    Once you have done the time the sentence should be done.

    Another thing, 'Violent Crimes Task Force'. What for? Where was the violent crime? In 1976?

  • BoxcarBill posted at 11:37 pm on Tue, Feb 28, 2012.

    BoxcarBill Posts: 1074

    Hey, Idaho has for profit prisons. More prisoners, more profit. Wonder how that profit enhances the chances those favorable towards supplying plenty of prisoners get reelected?

  • JoeIdaho posted at 11:05 pm on Tue, Feb 28, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    I think the Felons should have the right to bear arms, and vote as well.

    If you follow the line of reasoning, if a person is convicted of a felony of any sort, he/she loses the right to defend their home or property, forever. On voting, they lose the right to representation, for the rest of their life.

    So, by making a mistake, a felon can no longer defend his home or be represented in government.

    Yarply & Idahoman have it right, IMHO.

  • Rogue Cop posted at 9:26 pm on Tue, Feb 28, 2012.

    Rogue Cop Posts: 2371

    Early American settlers viewed the right to arms and/or the right to bear arms and/or state militias as important for one or more of these purposes: deterring tyrannical government; repelling invasion; suppressing insurrection; facilitating a natural right of self-defense; participating in law enforcement; and enabling the people to organize a militia system.

    That is what prompted the 2nd Amendment which is part of the Bill of Rights. The founding fathers couldn't have possibly foreseen every circumstance that would/could arise out of that Amendment.

    How could any rational person want a convicted drug dealer and felon to have access to firearms and for what legitimate purpose...repelling invasion? Suppressing insurrection? Participating in law enforcement? Organizing a militia? Or maybe to deter a tyrannical gov't?

    Come on, think a little!

  • IdahoMan posted at 8:22 pm on Tue, Feb 28, 2012.

    IdahoMan Posts: 104

    This is an unjust conviction. The government is supposed to be prohibited from deciding who can/cannot Keep and Bear Arms.

    "Prohibited Persons" list need to go. Charge someone for an ACTUAL CRIME, or don't charge them at all.

    "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. When there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws." -Ayn Rand

    First "Felons", then "misdemeanors", then "watch lists", and any "reason" they want.

  • yarply posted at 6:00 pm on Tue, Feb 28, 2012.

    yarply Posts: 505

    Yeah. You are a treasonous traitor also. You who would water down the freedoms of this country because cowards are afraid to live by law of reason. You and people like you is the reason this country is turned into a fascist state and country.

    Oooh yeah. They committed a crime. Big deal. Can't wait till they convict you of one and then deny you your humanity and basic rights. Commie.

  • bionic man posted at 4:45 pm on Tue, Feb 28, 2012.

    bionic man Posts: 347

    Yarply. Nothing in the 2nd amendment, check the FFL for what your looking for. If you're interested, check out the amendments and tell me where a "felon" has any constitutional rights. "Criminal Justice" is that, justice for the "CRIMINALS." You do the crime, you pay the time.....for the rest of your life. Stupidity has no excuse, only the beeding heart liberals like yourself allow it. Blame all the crimes and trouble on everything else except for the fact of who committed the crime. You're one of the people that has led to the destruction of this country. Commit a crime in any factor and one is given everything to them because of the bleeding hearts & lawyers. The old factor needs to come back, "an eye for an eye."

  • yarply posted at 4:18 pm on Tue, Feb 28, 2012.

    yarply Posts: 505

    For some reason I can't seem to find where it says Unless you have a prior felony convictions in the 2nd amendment.; A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed,,,

    Unless you have prior felony convictions.. Where is it? I can't find it.

    So I thought if you have served your sentence aka received your punishment then you have paid your legal obligation for the crime. Evidently not so in this country. They keep punishing a person for their entire life. Perpetual punishment... Denial of constitutional rights. Perversion and usurpation of the constitution. Treason.

    Unless you have prior felony convictions.. Where is it? I can't find it.

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