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Wolves accused of dog attack

Pet was chained outside home in Blue Creek area

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Posted: Thursday, January 19, 2012 12:15 am

COEUR d'ALENE - Two wolves Tuesday night or Wednesday morning attacked and ate a dog chained up outside a home in the Blue Creek area five miles east of Coeur d'Alene, the dog's owners and a state wildlife official said.

"They literally pulled the dog out of his collar," said Gary Finney, an avid hunter and outdoorsman. The dog, an Australian shepherd heeler mix, was owned by Finney's sister, Jane Holte, and was chained up at her home on the 400 block of South Newell Road.

"It's obvious that they ate him," Finney said.

He showed up to investigate after being called by Holte.

Finney pointed out where the two wolves walked, and bounded through snow to the dog. He said there were two sets of tracks.

"There's a good chance it's a male and female," Finney said.

He searched the property for the dog's remains, but all that was left was blood splatter in the area.

An official with the Idaho Department of Fish and Game said Finney is a reliable source and qualified to determine whether wolves are responsible for the kill. A report by the agency will be completed to document the incident. Fish and Game officials didn't visit the scene of the attack Wednesday, but were contacted by Finney.

"Gary is as capable of judging wolf tracks as anybody," said Phil Cooper, a spokesman for the Fish and Game's Coeur d'Alene office. "They might have consumed the dog. In fact, they probably did."

Cooper said the killing was a "territorial matter," not a predatory one.

Finney killed a wolf on a hunt in Idaho a couple years ago, and said he has seen about 40 wolves in the wild.

Holte said she has seen wolves cross through a clearing near her home.

Finney said, "I was just hunting (wolves) this morning," before his sister called about the killing of her dog.

"There are numerous wolves on the outskirts of Coeur d'Alene," Finney said. "People need to be aware, so they can take appropriate precautions."

The dog, which was a year and a half old and weighed about 40 pounds, was collared to a 20-foot long cable secured to a utility pole. The dog, Buckwheat, had a house with straw bedding, about 40 yards from Holte's home.

She went outside to feed the dog Wednesday morning and discovered him missing, then found the bloody evidence of his death.

"It just makes me so sad," Holte said. "It just creeps me out. These are killing machines."

She said she didn't hear a sound during the night.

In a separate incident, four wolves were accused of attacking and killing a dog just north of Wallace last week. State officials later said they didn't find clear evidence that wolves were responsible.

Fish and Game official Josh Stanley said he found no evidence of wolf tracks where that dog was killed, and another dog suffered wounds to the face.

Stanley said he tracked a 100-yard radius around the home near Wallace and only found tracks resembling those of dogs or coyotes.

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  • Powdermonkey posted at 10:21 am on Fri, Apr 5, 2013.

    Powdermonkey Posts: 1

    I'm not accusing the dog owners of anything. The loss of their dog is tragic....but.....since I am a city-dweller, I don't understand why anyone who lives on a ranch or who has a yard large enough to allow a dog to roam (without the owners' fear of the dog running away) would chain up a dog.

    I don't own a dog, and would not own one if the dog couldn't live inside (as a small lap-dog pet) or unchained outside where the dog could run around. So....would someone please enlighten me as to why dogs are chained up? Please don't take this as an accusatory question....I really want to know.

    Maybe the dog that was killed had a habit of roaming around at night and, as such, had bad habits of its own due to its night time freedom, and that's why the owners had it chained up.

     
  • B3601 posted at 10:23 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    B3601 Posts: 4

    glitter, scroo spelling, their are a lawt of good spellers that are dumber than a bocks of rox. get a grip.

     
  • B3601 posted at 10:20 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    B3601 Posts: 4

    It has been 40 to 50 degrees to start out with, and maybe, just maybe the dog wouldn't stay home... so they had tied it up. maybe, just maybe their dogs had been tied there for several years without fear of a POS wolf. Regardless if the dog had of been loose or not, it would have still been killed.

     
  • B3601 posted at 10:17 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    B3601 Posts: 4

    It's pretty funny, there is a wolf Lady in Olympia that tells me all the time we are to have our dogs on leashes or have them inside all the time. So when people like us have our dogs tied outside the wolves or cats come in and dine out on our pets. Then SDAH makes a statement that they put the dog out for wolf bait. wow...

     
  • B3601 posted at 10:13 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    B3601 Posts: 4

    You know, you are about as screwed up as I've had the displeasure to see. YSF Are you really that ignorant to believe what you just wrote?

     
  • Jswrv posted at 9:28 pm on Tue, Feb 14, 2012.

    Jswrv Posts: 1

    SO.. Let me get this straight. If I walk down Sherman St in CDA with my dogs and they are not on a leash I am a bad irresponsible dog owner they could hurt someone and I would be held responsible for anything they did (even potty on Hagadon's grass). Now when I get home with my dog, it is not humane put him on a leash, it is irresponsible and it will hurt my dogs emotions or whatever. Ok now you people get this great idea to put wolves in our forests. The wolves have no natural predators, you protect them from being regulated, now they populate and turn into this freak of nature 250+lb killing machine. Killing all the wildlife in the area and now literally spreading to our back yards snatching our pets, and you call the blame on the Holtie's. Shame on you. Thats as stupid as me putting a gun to your head,POP, and I blame you for standing in the way.........OH wait thats what all you people do blame it on the gun or the parents or the school had Gateway computers and he was disturbed cause he liked Apple computers. The problem here is responsibility. The Holtie's provided a dog house to protect from the elements, food and water, that being responsible pet owner. You people put the wolves there or defend the decision to do so. You are responsible for this, also the attack 6 days prior in Wallace ID, the wolf that chased that little girl into her house and the Dad had to kill it and ALL the wild life that has been killed. THAT IS ON YOU!!! One day this is going to hit and someones child is going to get nabbed and it wont be yours. You know why? Cause you'll be in your Prius, pulling into your condo. Don't know why I even write this other than I know the Holtie's personally and you would be embarrassed if you knew the caliber of people you slander. Go to your therapist and pay him some more money so he can tell you all your problems are other peoples fault.

     
  • IChoseNID posted at 8:41 pm on Mon, Jan 30, 2012.

    IChoseNID Posts: 83

    Joey, no "change" is necessary for me. I love Idaho, just as it is. There are plenty of wonderful people here. Just a few of your type. Unfortunately, moronic loudmouths do have a way of making it seem like there's more of them, but I've been here long enough to know better.

     
  • dragonlady9947 posted at 7:56 pm on Fri, Jan 27, 2012.

    dragonlady9947 Posts: 1

    Obviously a set up. They didn't care two hoots about that poor puppy. They arranged to have the puppy killed. This was done to prove some kind of sick point by the big wolf hunters.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 8:37 am on Fri, Jan 27, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    "There has to be something in the drinking water over there in Idaho"

    THAT was ther most cogent statement ever made by a wolf lover.
    "Ichose", you are clueless.
    See; you "chose" North Idaho, to come here, etc,, NOW it's imperative that N Idaho change itself to meet YOUR "values".
    ANYBODY think this sounds like a Calibagger?

     
  • IChoseNID posted at 10:51 am on Thu, Jan 26, 2012.

    IChoseNID Posts: 83

    Cougar, trying to compare a pack of sled dogs with a lone family pet is asinine. And why do you assume that everybody that disagrees with your fouled up sense of values, would get attacked physically if they expressed it to others? Most folks aren't as irrational as you seem to be.

    The dog was left out by himself, on a wire, unable to defend himself or get away, and now he's wolf scat.

    End of argument.

     
  • brentandrews posted at 10:45 pm on Wed, Jan 25, 2012.

    brentandrews Posts: 76

    How sad. After reading almost all the comments it is nice to see that a lot of people agree that is no place for a dog to sleep - maybe a place to get some fresh air for five minutes, but not sleep. Without judging anyone - all I can feel is sad for this dog owner, who surely did not expect this outcome - I am going to learn a lesson and never let my dogs run off leash at Canfield Mountain again. I bet there are wolves up there. And so long as I have a place to sleep inside, old Lucky has a place to sleep inside. I'm with Hank III on that one - my dogs have been some of the best family I've ever had. I wrote about III and his dogs recently, here - http://chronicdiscontent.wordpress.com/2012/01/22/hank-iii-and-happy-tales-hardcore-good/

    We don't have wolves here in Tennessee but in my neighborhood or III's a dog could always get run over by a car - also sad.

     
  • cougar posted at 11:04 am on Wed, Jan 25, 2012.

    cougar Posts: 230

    That's the problem with people like you. A mightier than thou attitude that can't control their own life, but like to try to tell people they know nothing about, how to run theirs.

    Probably a good thing you have a computer to hide behind. An attitude adjustment for you, and your kind would definitely be warranted.

    P.S. By the way. This story was about wolves coming closer to town and killing a pet, not if a dog should have been tied up or not.

    I,m done here.
    Good Bye

     
  • pd1974 posted at 9:30 am on Wed, Jan 25, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    No, I am not going to mind my business. You people should not be allowed to own pets as it's obvious you have no idea on how to properly care for them/ Keeping them chained up outside is not taking care of your dog. Save the excuses. You people don't want to admit how irresponsible of pet owner you truly are.

     
  • cougar posted at 9:12 am on Wed, Jan 25, 2012.

    cougar Posts: 230

    pd1974

    One thing about most of the people that were born and raised in the northwest. We were taught to mind our own business. It's a lot healthier that way.

    So who is dumb and void of common sense? People who mind their own business, or those who don't? Don' be dumb, use some common sense and think about it.

     
  • pd1974 posted at 6:50 am on Wed, Jan 25, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    There has to be something in the drinking water over there in Idaho. You people can't be that dumb and void of common sense. Don't you realize by leaving your dog outside chained up, anyone can come up to the dog and harm it if they wanted to? how is the chained dog supposed to protect itself if wild predators happen to find it? Keep your dog indoors WHERE YOU KNOW IT IS SAFE from wild predators and humans wishing to do your pet harm.

     
  • pd1974 posted at 6:48 am on Wed, Jan 25, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    What about the regular pet owners? W

     
  • cougar posted at 4:35 am on Wed, Jan 25, 2012.

    cougar Posts: 230

    pd1974

    Maybe you should drive around and tell the sled dog and bear dog owners they are idiots.

    P.S. Word of advice. Take the EMT's with you, you'll probably need their services.

     
  • pd1974 posted at 8:04 pm on Tue, Jan 24, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    You have to wonder if these people who think it's ok to chain their dog up outside have any brains. Common sense would tell you that leaving your dog outside chained up is not a bright idea. Anyone can come up to the dog and harm it if they wanted to and wild animals can always attack and kill the dog and the dog would have no way of escaping since being chained up. Clearly, idiots like this should not own dogs because they don't know how to care for them properly.

     
  • gracious few posted at 2:24 pm on Tue, Jan 24, 2012.

    gracious few Posts: 285

    OMG the dog was tethered with a steel cable to the electrical pole lead.........not to mention there is NO pathway cleared out for that dog to come and go, look at the amount of snow piled up

     
  • gracious few posted at 2:02 pm on Tue, Jan 24, 2012.

    gracious few Posts: 285

    taken from the web page http://www.paw-rescue.org/PAW/PETTIPS/DogTip_BackyardDogs.php

    NEVER TIE OR CHAIN YOUR DOG UP OUTSIDE. Dogs that are tied up or chained outside suffer extreme frustration which can result in hyperactivity and/or aggression against you, your family or friends. Dogs that are tied up cannot escape from other animals or people who mean to do them harm. They can also easily become entangled and do bodily harm to themselves. It has been a sad tale to hear of a dog tied outside because he was a fence jumper, only to hang himself while trying to do so! If you must keep your dog outside, provide a secure, high fence or an enclosed chain link dog run, with a top for those fence jumpers or climbers. Panels of chain link (that can be easily bolted together to provide a dog run) can be found at reasonable prices at your larger home supply stores, such as Home Depot. Provide a top with shade, a dog house for rainy weather, items to chew on, and plenty of fresh water. A dog should always be exercised before being left for the day in an enclosed area, such as a dog run or even your backyard.

     
  • gracious few posted at 1:43 pm on Tue, Jan 24, 2012.

    gracious few Posts: 285

    Joe you POM-PAS A$ $ I do take my dogs camping with me...I also am responsible and am SMART enough to know the dangers of wild animals in the woods and take precautions ..They sleep in the camper with us...

    and I don't care how nice these people are IT IS THEIR FAULT this dog was attacked and killed.. Like someone else said, meal on a rope... and to the person that said they have winter coats yes they do but that does them no good when it is below zero.......this was not a sled dog...... why don't you go the the humane society web site and read up about leaving dogs out when it is below zero..

     
  • cougar posted at 12:03 pm on Tue, Jan 24, 2012.

    cougar Posts: 230

    glittersilver

    before you try to convince anyone that you're qualified to judge someone's choices in life, you should learn how to spell first.

     
  • glittersilver posted at 10:26 am on Tue, Jan 24, 2012.

    glittersilver Posts: 1

    you shouldn't own a dog if you have to tie them up, ever heard of a kennel, or you bring them in at night thats just commen sence and love for your pet, the wolves have a right to their lives too, if you already know you live in a area with wolves then you should have taken precations and that doesn't mean to trap them, killing is not the answar

     
  • cougar posted at 7:55 am on Tue, Jan 24, 2012.

    cougar Posts: 230

    Ms. Holte,

    Ignore all the insulting remarks. You did absolutely nothing wrong with the care of your dog. The problem being the introduction of these wolves, and now they are losing their fear of man and being hungry factored in, are getting closer to town.

    Your dog was just in the wrong place at the wrong time and is just one victim of many more to come, unless something is done about the wolf.

    Hopefully your brother has set out traps around the area. Good luck Gary...............

     
  • Marty posted at 4:13 am on Tue, Jan 24, 2012.

    Marty Posts: 8

    This argument is irrelevant, when will the first incounter with a child be?

     
  • IChoseNID posted at 8:10 pm on Mon, Jan 23, 2012.

    IChoseNID Posts: 83

    Joe, you don't know a thing about me. You just have such a false sense of self importance, you assume that anyone that doesn't see things your way, must not have your "knowledge". I've been hunting since I was a kid, and I'm far from a liberal. But I also know, with wolves and big cats around, leaving them a meal on a rope ain't the smartest thing to do. And maybe some dogs really do love being outside in the cold by themselves all night, but I listen to the barks and howls of lonely dogs all day and all night, that clearly don't. They're pack animals, and unless you have a pack of dogs, YOU'RE their pack.

     
  • pd1974 posted at 2:49 pm on Mon, Jan 23, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    Whether Hitler liked wolves or not or supported animal rights or not does not change the fact that your imbecile friend Joeidaho has one major thing in common with him, he wants eradication of wolves just like Hitler wanted eradication of jews. To say you want to eradicate something shows what a hate filled ignorant person you are. You clearly support joeidahos views because you people are all the same.

     
  • pd1974 posted at 2:43 pm on Mon, Jan 23, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    Wanna you explain to your clueless imbecile friend that a wild animal cannot murder a person nor are wild animals are capable of evil. Somehow I doubt you will do this as you probably have the same twisting and irritational thinking as your buddy Joe Idaho. it's also funny to note how you said nothing about your buddy supporting eradication of wildlife. You, joeidaho and Hitler have much more in common than you care to admit.

     
  • pd1974 posted at 2:41 pm on Mon, Jan 23, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    Idaho_roper, no shock that you defend your imbecile friend. Your buddy supports eradication of a creature he doesn't like. Adolph Hitler supported the eradication of certain people he didn't like. It is obvious that your buddy joeidaho has more in common with Hitler that you'd want to admit. You and your kind support eradication. It just exposes you people are hated filled radicals you truly are.

     
  • Kelliev posted at 10:07 am on Mon, Jan 23, 2012.

    Kelliev Posts: 1

    Are you greenies serious!
    We know & love Ms. Holte, her Children & grandchildren and the assumption that they do not care about the dog that was killed (the children’s dog – by the way) is so outlandish we are astounded. They, like any responsible pet owner, put their dog in a kennel or on a chain to keep them home at night.
    My husband was born & raised in CDA our jobs have us living in Wyoming presently. I have to add that our Labs do not like it inside either. Once they have a winter coat they are miserable inside it is to warm for them!
    Yes - Wyoming where- by the way just in case you don't know and are interested in the truth - they turned several pairs of Canadian Grey Wolves (not the smaller timber wolves that were here originally) loose with the assumption that they wouldn't leave the confines of an unfenced national park. They are decimating the moose, deer & elk herds of Wyoming, Utah, & Idaho. They have been seen as far south as Colorado even into northern Arizona. They are killing cattle, sheep and pets!
    Now tell me please what is to stop them killing a child? The question in all this is how long will it be before the wolves start attacking and killing humans? If your dog had been killed and eaten 40 feet from your front door would you be able to let your little children out to play? Would you let them take a walk in those trees above your house? Would you feel at ease letting them sled down the hill right next to the deck on the west side of your house when your dog was eaten 55 feet from there?
    You all need to get a clue to what is really going on! The wolves are bigger than most men, they are dangerous predators that are killing for food and fun. They need to be wiped out just as they were 100 years ago!
    SSS Idaho! (shoot – shovel & shut up!) Love you Ms. Holte – sorry about the dog and please be very careful!

     
  • Idaho Roper posted at 9:16 pm on Sun, Jan 22, 2012.

    Idaho Roper Posts: 117

    PD, while you condemn others for misusing the word murder.......you turn right around and commit the same act, exactly.

    Hunters are not murderers, you can NOT murder an animal. Like most shallow thinkers you find yourself guilty of exactly that of which you accuse others.

    And you might want to do a little research before you throw Hitler into the argument. It seems he had more in common with you than he did with Joe. You see, Adolph was a wolf worshiper too, believed in animals rights over human rights and was a anti-hunting gun controlling freakoziod too. Did you know that Aldo Leopold studied in 1930's Germany? Ever wonder where he acquired his predator worship from?

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:38 pm on Sun, Jan 22, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    No doubt there's only one marble left.
    "Better a dead dog than one that lives a life that I don't like"
    Nice, "one marble". What happens when you REALLY think?

     
  • onemarbleleft posted at 5:17 pm on Sun, Jan 22, 2012.

    onemarbleleft Posts: 1

    That dog is better off dead than living it's life at the end of a 20 ft. line like a piece of bait.

     
  • cougar posted at 9:31 am on Sun, Jan 22, 2012.

    cougar Posts: 230

    First Ms. Holte, sorry for the loss of your pet to wolves.

    Now that all of you "experts" have thrown Ms Holte, excuse the expression(to the wolves) let's have a lesson on animals.

    All animals, and I mean "all", have a summer coat and a winter coat. Those of you that think it is cruel to leave a animal ouside in the winter(with proper shelter) are completely misinformed or just ignorant.

    Sled dogs for instance, are probably the most well keep dogs there are. If not well taken care of they are useless to do what they were bred to do. But yet they thrive being outside. They either dig a hole in the snow and let blowing snow cover them up or simple lay in the snow and are as comfortable as can be, even though they have shelter(dog houses) to use. But they would just as soon be laying outside in the snow. (Snow is a insulation, and when an animal is covered it is a constant 32 degrees.)

    Horses will stand outside in a blizzard with their rear-ends to the wind instead of using the barn or other shelter.

    Hound dogs would rather be outside than use their shelter.

    I have two Aussies, and my female would just as soon be laying in the snow instead of being in the house. She'll sleep out their for hours.

    And cal007, you keep stating that hunters are the ones that should be exterminated. Here's a suggestion for you. Why don't you walk into any hunting camp( where here in Idaho hunting season usually starts about Oct. 10th) and proclaim your love for the wolf and you think all hunters should be killed. If you made it off the mtn. at all, I believe you would be in dire need of medical attention. But we know that won't happen because people like you sit behind a computer running your mouth, and due to self preservation and not having a hair on your posterior, wouldn't attempt such an act.

    carmann,
    By your posts, you are nothing but a snot nosed little girl that needs your mouth washed out with soap and bent over someones knee and paddled until you learned some respect and commonsense.

    I could comment on some more of you heartless uninformed posters, but enough for now.

    I could comment on some more of you, but enough for now.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 7:26 am on Sun, Jan 22, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    "Ichose", you are from a city. There is no doubt.

    I am far from alone in KNOWING that putting dogs on a leash is not a bad thing to do. There are a BUNCH of hunters that do it, and it's been done for the last 700 YEARS to no ill effect.

    Your tender premise that it's SO BAD comes from a position where in you have been turned into a very domesticated person, complete with having some weird vision of what is "acceptable" & "not acceptable", or "fair". It's very normal for people that move into the country to be appalled at what happens in the country, when they come from a city where everything is about rules, CC&R's and males men who have lost the ability to fend for themselves.

     
  • IChoseNID posted at 1:30 am on Sun, Jan 22, 2012.

    IChoseNID Posts: 83

    Joe, I'm sure chaining your dog outside at night is just one of many things you think are "normal".

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 10:52 pm on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    "I chose", you are inaccurate.
    Chaining up a dog is NOT a "crappy thing to do". It is NORMAL. It' just that YOU don't think it's nice, but REALITY is that dogs have been chained for a thousand years, outdoors, and it doesn't hurt them, at all. Ask anyone who mushes dogs in Alaska or Northern Canada.

    As to your "asking for it to be eaten", again, WRONG.
    This issue has not BEEN an issue until now, when liverals have insisted that woves are a "normal" part of the foodchain. Had it been what you say, "asking for a god to be eaten", noone would have been able to leave their dogs out, as they have, for the last 100 years.

    The issue, AGAIN, is not the dogs, or leaving them out. It IS the very serious issue of wolves that are brazen enough to come into a residential yard to EAT a pet. Regardless if the dog is on a chain or not, if wolves are around, family pets are going to die, and sooner than later humans will get attacked & die, too.

     
  • IChoseNID posted at 10:30 pm on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    IChoseNID Posts: 83

    Yeah....chaining a dog out on a pole all night is not only a crappy thing to do, it's asking for it to get eaten.

     
  • VandalJosh posted at 5:47 pm on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    VandalJosh Posts: 106

    Meant to say: good talk.

    Anyway, I'll check back on you crazies in the morning. Gotta go watch my Vandals take down USU.

     
  • VandalJosh posted at 5:16 pm on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    VandalJosh Posts: 106

    Well, after a long discussion on the squirrel he treed, we changed topics and he definitely voiced his concern over the wolves. As a siberian, his separation anxiety acts up when he is left home on trips into the Nat. Forest. He also worries what could happen if he gets out on his own and can't find his way back home. He's a friendly guy and seeing another canine would pique his interest until he realized that he is vastly outnumbered by animals 2-3 times his size. Animals that could jump the 4' fence in his yard without thinking about it. It was a could talk, he's much more safety conscious than I would have thought.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 4:44 pm on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    BTW, Josh, what's your dog's take on the wolf explosion locally, and what does he have to say about total wolf eradication, extermination, stuck to the front of trucks etc?

    (I'm figuring he probably has a pretty solid & firm stance on this, can't wait to hear).

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 4:42 pm on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Josh, 'animal" never did say where she's from.....just sayin'....

    But I can TELL you that she's not from the woods, and did/does attend a school where wolf worship is commonplace, along with Lenin praisology.

    Go Vandals!

     
  • VandalJosh posted at 4:09 pm on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    VandalJosh Posts: 106

    Well animal, I never challenged your 1st amendment rights, did I? I have more respect than most for the U.S. Constitution, and swore an oath to protect it "from all enemies, both foreign and domestic" once upon a time. Perhaps it sounded like an arguement (or you're just looking for one), but I was merely making an observation.

    I'm 29 and I attended the University of Idaho. You probably could have guessed that from my name if you were at all familiar with the region.

    I did take some time to chat with my dog. We are both curious about this internet technology you speak of. From the living room you say? Gee, what will they think of next?

     
  • animal voice posted at 3:37 pm on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    animal voice Posts: 3

    @Vandal - "For a small local paper, there are a lot of foreign voices on here picking fights with the locals."

    Vandal, what school did you attend, and how old are you? It's unbelievable that you don't understand the concept of a public newspaper. And surely you have heard of the Internet!!? I don't want to shock you, but with today's technology news happening around the world is right in our living rooms, on our computers. Also, have you heard of *free speech*?

    Why don't you take a little time off away from your computer, take a big breath, talk to your dog, decompress, and clear your stressed mind, Then, you will see thing more clearly, and your arguments will sound less foolish--but it's not guaranteed. But, then, you are *free* to sound as foolish as you like.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 1:55 pm on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    And Josh, it's fun sticking these people's faces in their own ignorance, and easy to make an argument when you are 100% correct. Ask any Attorney.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 1:54 pm on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Peedeeee....you're right, eating an animal while it's still alive isn't "evil", especially not if the animal being eaten is your house dog....DUH.

    And your name calling REALLY hurts my feelings.

    Now "Gracious".....grabbing a cat by a cougar is almost precisly the same as a 160 pound GROUP of wolves ripping a dog off of it's chain....get a clue. NOT the same thing, another round of "DUH". The "fear mongering" you speak about will become very real fear when you look into those ugly eyes of wolves in the woods or in your own backyard someday soon.

    Do me a favor, since you "know the woods", go camping at 4th of July Pass for me. Take your dog with you.

    "animal voice" (as though YOU are the "voice" of some animal...)-
    Jane, like MANY Idahoans, have been leaving their dogs outdoors for the better part of 100 years. For all of those years, no wolves have come to the hosue for an EVIL dinner. Wolves eating your home animals hasn't been EXPECTED until you environazis came on the scene & FORCED wolves on the rest of us.
    It is YOUR fault that we are having this issue now, but worry not, the vast majority of Idahoans know what to do. And they will.

    As to "right way & wrong way", the fact is that the people that post in "support" of wolves killing household animals, blaming the owners, etc, are all the SAME group of idiots. They do NOT know the woods, they do NOT hunt, they ARE anti-hunter, and their ignorance is why the wolves are here in the firts place.

    People before your time ERADICATED the wolves, for good purpose. We ARE the top of the food chain, and not taking our rightful place is not only stupid but extremely dangerous to all of us.

    Excellent point, Josh.
    We need to export some wolves to Chicago, NYC, LA & San Fran. They all love them so much, I'm SURE they'll get along.


     
  • VandalJosh posted at 1:32 pm on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    VandalJosh Posts: 106

    Being Out in the Woods 101, offered at every insitution of higher learning?

    Growing up in Idaho will give you a much better understanding of the outdoors and our wildlands than whatever classes you can took onine from university of pheonix. For a small local paper, there are a lot of foreign voices on here picking fights with the locals. Joe has just realized that not everyone understands reason (carmann, jd, animal voice, etc.), so why try.

    gracious pick an arguement and stick with it. first it was the owner's fault for a third party killing their dog. Then it became, these are wild animals acting on instict, and even if they killed a person it would be ok because it is a there nature. Anyone remember the story from a couple years ago of the mountain lion in Colorado that snatched the dog from a couple's bedroom while they and their 2nd dog were sleeping? That was also the instincts of another wild predator.

    I don't have a problem with having another predator here, butonly if the state manages them as they do with all game populations. Also, since many of you are from other states, you may want to ask your polititions why you refused to have some of our wolves reloccated to your states. That was one of the first options Idaho F&G looked at before opening up hunting. They contacted every state, and every one of your states turned them down. Look into it, it's on IFG's website under the wolf hunting info.

     
  • animal voice posted at 1:19 pm on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    animal voice Posts: 3

    Joe, you obviously believe that there are two ways to look at this issue, *your way and the wrong way.* There is a person like that in most comment threads. In this one, you earn the distinction. It's not a crime to be ignorant and immature, but why would you want to flaunt it? Oh silly me, with the distinction of being immature, you can't help it.

    By-the-way, there is a movement to get parents to stop reading fear mongering stories to their young children because it is feared that these stories create paranoia in children. So Joe, I want to caution you about reading these types of stories.

    And while I'm at it, I apologize to Jane Holdt for calling her a moron. It's really not like me to use such terms. Unfortunately, barbaric acts against animals can bring out the worst in the best of us. I do, however, feel she is very ignorant for believing that chaining a dog at the back of the yard is okay.

    I'm also curious as to why nobody heard the cries of the dog. And nobody was aware that the dog was missing until Jane went out to feed him. I'd like to know when the dog was last seen by the family. And a reminder, a dog is not a plaything for children. You don't use them when you want and forget them when life is busy. That's why you don't chain them outside like inanimate objects. Shame on this family and others who do this.

     
  • gracious few posted at 12:16 pm on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    gracious few Posts: 285

    Joe perhaps you should take a course in being out in the woods.. your fear mongering is both ridiculous and far from the truth.. We are out in the woods all the time. You have to be responsible when you go out there just like any other place...

     
  • gracious few posted at 12:13 pm on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    gracious few Posts: 285

    really Joe, My boss had to shoot a cougar as it walk right past where he was sitting on his upper deck and grabbed a house cat... you know nothing....

     
  • pd1974 posted at 12:06 pm on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    I think it's a bit funny that joeidaho is tossing around the word "enviro nazi" because this retarded imbecile who doesn't understand that wild animals can't murder people and that they aren't capable of evil as they act on raw instinct is saying he wants to eradicate all wolves. Hitler wanted to do the same thing with the jewish people. joeidaho, it is obvious you are a pathetic and lonely soul who spends all his time online ranting about wolves. Get off the internet you enviro nazi.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 11:50 am on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Sure, "gracious", we should now talk about cougars & bears....that don't hardly EVER kill dogs & pets, etc. That makes sense.....NOT.

    As to "politics being brought into it", I didn't do it, society did.
    It is a known FACT that most "environmentalists" are people who live in town/s & cities, that are almosty always LIBERALS. The REAL environmentalists are the hunters & fishermen who want there to be more game in the field.

    Peeeedeeeee.......panties in a wad, huh?
    YES, "environazis" ARE clueless. People like you that think that the issue was the dog instead of what MURDERED it.....
    Where's the word police, Peeee DEEEEEE?

    And "gracious", at some point, the wolves will wipe out your dog right in front of you. Then, I'll blame you for being irresponsible, which you of course, will be, since you took your dog where wolves are. (OK, yes, it WAS your backyard, buy hey; wolves have a "right" to the wilderness, and you were just TOO CLOSE.

     
  • pd1974 posted at 11:44 am on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    Hunters are EVIL, MURDERING mangy, dirty, immoral animals who need to be eradicated.

     
  • pd1974 posted at 11:43 am on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    Wolves are EVIL, MURDERING mangy, dirty, immoral animals who need to be eradicated.

    The emotional environazi Joeidaho who spends all day long on here whining about wolves. Wolves aren't capable of evil as evil only pertains to human beings. Once more, a wild animal cannot murder a human being. Try to understand this fact you retarded clueless imbecile....

     
  • pd1974 posted at 11:40 am on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    You know, words like:
    Liberals "animal lovers" are clueless. If they REALLY loved animals, they'd have SOME concern for the ENTIRE Elk & deer population that gets wiped out by wolves....but NOOOO.

    The only environazi I see is you Joeidaho. Before you start calling others clueless, take a good hard look at yourself. You are the clueless imbecile who thinks it's murder when a wild animal kills a human and you think wild animals are capable of being evil. These two comments proves what a clueless and retarded imbecile you truly are. The only evil person here is you. Now, get off your computer for a day and go get some fresh air you enviro nazi.

     
  • gracious few posted at 11:25 am on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    gracious few Posts: 285

    Joe you are laughable as I read your post about sheep, and other livestock being killed...um what about the cougar, the bear the coyote that kill livestock.......and stop bringing politics into it, that is what all people do that rant and have no idea what they are talking about

     
  • gracious few posted at 11:20 am on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    gracious few Posts: 285

    and for your information my dogs are NEVER OUT OF MY SIGHT. again that is part of being a responsible pet owner. My problem in this situation is that dog should NOT have been chained up and left outside, as you say if the wolf problem is so bad who in their right mind would leave a dog out chained as bait... plain and simple...

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 11:18 am on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Peeedeeee.......so now you're the word police too, huh?
    What if I used MORE words that you don't like, will I get arrested?
    You know, words like:
    Liberals "animal lovers" are clueless. If they REALLY loved animals, they'd have SOME concern for the ENTIRE Elk & deer population that gets wiped out by wolves....but NOOOO.
    "Wolves have their place" in nature, according to environazis, and that place is to kill for NO reason excepeting a predator instinct, to fully rape an area of it's wildlife, and eventually go after humans, as they have done for MILLENIA.

    Hoyer, you got it 1,000% right, and so do the unters, HEROES like Gary Finney.
    Wolves are EVIL, MURDERING mangy, dirty, immoral animals who need to be eradicated.

    Just ordered a dozen traps. Hooray for me!

     
  • gracious few posted at 11:17 am on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    gracious few Posts: 285

    Joe you are delisuional , if you think the only predator out there in the woods you are sadly mistaken... it wasn't safe to go out where I lived IN THE WOODS..North of town because of the cougar, bob cat and coyote, which I hear howling every night.... My dogs are kept inside not only for their safety but a winter coat does not protect them from temps below freezing...

     
  • cdahoyer posted at 10:59 am on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    cdahoyer Posts: 1

    Wow, the wolf haters have been screaming for three years to cull the packs before they start intruding in peoples back yards. Looks like they were right, come to find out they know a lot more than the average wolf lover. The wolf lovers still don't know anything more than the romantic nonsense than they only eat the sick and old. I love the comments they make on here.

    I don't feel to bad for the lady that lost her dog, if you didn't know there was cougars, wolves, and other stuff out there. You could have had a kennel, especially when your backed up to forest land. That was smart. I do believe that this population of wolves is here to say and as such we have a responsibility to manage them, before they destroy there food source and then start a chain of predator prey population surges and plunges. The wolf lover would say that's why the wolves are here "to manage the herds' and I would reply they did such a great job that when Lewis and Clark came through the northwest they almost starved because there was barely any game west of the rockies.

    Teddy Roosevelt said if the devil could put an animal on this planet it would be the grey wolf, I am starting to see why.

     
  • pd1974 posted at 10:20 am on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    joeidaho, now you're calling wolves "evil" and evil only pertains to humans. Stop using words meant to describe humans on wild animals. Wolves killing humans does not equal murder. Get a dictionary and look the word murder up you retarded imbecile.

     
  • carol posted at 10:05 am on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    carol Posts: 445

    The necropsy was performed on the 2 wolves 56 hours after Kenton was killed. No human was found in their bodies. Wolves usually feed on certain organs first. That was not done on Kenton. There were bear tracks in the area also. They could not be certain if the wolf or bear was following him first.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 9:59 am on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Animal voice is THE moron.
    There's so many things wrong about what you spew it's absurd, but again, that's a commie talkin'.

    peedeee....."murder" comes from the premise that it is PREMEDITATED.
    And how was it premeditated?
    Simple.
    Idiots that loves mangy evil wolfys insist on having wolfys in people's backyards. The wolfly people are guilty of murder as soon as it happens.

    And "redline", your name is SO apt!
    When did you get back from russia?
    So, according to your foolish, ill advised, and wrong logic, no one shoudl go outside & for SURE no one should own dogs, since there's mangy, flea infested, nasty wolves in north idaho, right?

    Moron=liberal animal lovers.
    SUPER moron=ones that voted for blobama.

     
  • REDLINE posted at 9:30 am on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    REDLINE Posts: 96

    How about reading another story above this one, "Animal cruelty laws lack bite!" The owner knew wolves were in the area and placed her dog in jeopardy. This case should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law!

     
  • pd1974 posted at 9:06 am on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    Since when is an animal killing a human considered "murder"? Last I checked, murder only applies to humans killing other humans. Joeidaho, you're an idiot.....

     
  • Idaho Roper posted at 7:50 am on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    Idaho Roper Posts: 117

    Carmann......sadly, your shallow thought process that is simply geared toward 'just call someone names' is all too common among people like you. You are full of hate and rage and it comes shining through in your posts. Even after I made a true and accurate statement you came back with a reply equal to a second grader screaming nuh huh!

    Read as written, your statement says definitively that anyone having an outside dog is stupid, and said dog is doomed to death. Yet what it really proves is your inability to read, comprehend and accept fact.

    I stated clearly my history with my dogs, and yet in 40 years of owning them, none have ever been killed prematurely because I didn't use my house for a kennel.

    So, while you wander through you life with your self imposed superiority complex, if you could actually read your own postings and comprehend them, as well as others, you might just be able to do something about all that bottled up hate you seem to have.

    And no Carol, the death in Canada was confirmed as being wolves by everyone except the wolf supporting biologist that showed up over 7 days later to attempt to throw a little doubt into it. I mean seriously, 7 days later? If someone tried to pin something on wolves that far afterwards, on melted snow evidence alone, you wolfies would be having a proverbial cow, and rightly so. I have even seen where the extremists have attempted to exonerate wolves in the Alaskan teachers death. The denial just never seems to end.

     
  • animal voice posted at 7:46 am on Sat, Jan 21, 2012.

    animal voice Posts: 3

    Jane states, "It just creeps me out. These are killing machines." Jane got it wrong. It's her brother who is the killing machine. He kills for the joy of killing with a powerful weapon. What the wolves do is their DNA survival instincts.

    It's clear to me that Jane Holte is a moron. She knows nothing about the social, emotional, and humane needs of a dog. She should be banned from having an animal. If she wanted an adornment for the back yard, she should have gotten a statue. Geez, these heartless creeps make me mad! The animals pay the ultimate price, while the true weapons of mass destruction justify their conscienceless behavior and pass the buck.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 10:44 pm on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    cal, maybe you can't READ.
    Since you can't read what I read (maybe your eyes don't work that good), just do a little research.

    As to a dog "finding it's way home in yellowstone", if there were wolves nearby, that'd be a dead dog.

    Absurdity is when the truth hits you in the face and you don't understand what a slap is.

    Or.....when you voted for bumbama & expected things to get better.

     
  • cal007 posted at 10:21 pm on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    cal007 Posts: 7

    JoeIdaho....when was the last time wolves ran out of food? Wolves don't "murder", people do. Comments like this by you is absurd. By the way, with all these dog-eating wolves around, how is it that the little corgi found his way back to the motel after the avalanche in Yellowstone? A dog tied up outside in wolf country is basically bait! Ask any unethical ID hunter, but probably not in a public forum.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 9:05 pm on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Carol, all I'm saying is that REALITY is that man has been fighting wolves for a very long time. They have attacked & killed humans forever, and are MUCH more dangerous than any bear. When they do run out of food, and they always do, they come for humans. I didn't make this up, it's been going on, like I said, for over 1,000 years. The major question is:
    Do you want your child, grandchild, etc, to be afriad of going into the wilderness for the FACT that he or she can easily be murdered by wolves, when it was avoidable?

    The wolves here are getting more & more daring, the idea that they come into people's yards & kill dogs is just a glimpse of the future. It took 40 YEARS to get rid of them the first time, here, and now we need them as "part of the food chain"?
    Tell me; what was WRONG with incredibly healthy Elk herds?
    WHY do we need to have deer get eaten alive, for sport?
    WHY do we need to fear for our own dogs in our backyards?
    It is ABSURD.

     
  • carol posted at 7:20 pm on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    carol Posts: 445

    JI, Kenton was killed by a black bear. The 2 wolves that had been around the garbage dump,had no human in their system.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:40 pm on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    On the ideal that wolves won't hurt humans, and on how to kill more wolves:
    "It was around the 1930s that aerial hunting started and wolves, no matter where they lived, were taught to fear man. Archived accounts of people being killed by wolves are not prevalent after the early 1930s. However, among others, I found an account of a 5-year old boy killed by wolves in Quebec in 1963. The boy's case read like 22-year old Kenton Carnegie's case. Kenton, readers may recall, was a college student who was stalked and partially eaten by a pack of wolves in November 2005 while he was engaged in a university work-study program in a remote area of Canada"

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:37 pm on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    In Russia, the Liberal Homeland:
    "The Central Administration of Hunting in Kazakhstan records that in 1986 there were 300 teams of professional wolf hunters totalling 1104 hunters culling wolves in Kazakhstan. Notwithstanding this effort, it is reported that "Their combined effort was insufficient to hold back the increase in wolf numbers." The following year, 1987, there were 150,000 domestic livestock (mostly sheep, horses, and cattle, but including some pigs, camels, asses, etc.) in Kazakhstan lost to wolves. The year after, 1988, 200,000 domestic livestock were killed by wolves"

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:35 pm on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    WOLF Kills in Montana:
    'It's a completely different predator'
    by Brett French, Billings Gazette, Mar 18, 2008

    TWO DOT, Mont. -- Her voice tinged with emotion and the video camera jiggling in her shaking hand, Tonya Martin filmed and narrated the scene she found behind her ranch home March 5 -- five sheep had been killed by a wolf and another five were wounded, three of them fatally. "In the end, it's hard to watch what your animals go through," said Martin, 36, while showing the location of the slaughter last week. "It makes me question what the future will be with them."

    Martin was driving a tractor out to feed her cow-calf pairs around 8:30 a.m. March 5 when her mother-in-law, Katherine Martin, sighted the big black wolf. The wolf trotted out of the brush, crossed the county road, went under a barbed-wire fence and paused to look back. "We knew what it was right away," she said. "Our first instinct was to go after it."

    At the time, Martin didn't know the wolf had killed five of her sheep. Had she known, the .222 rifle that always rides in the tractor could have been used to legally kill the wolf. It wasn't until the Martins investigated that they found the sheep flighty and hiding in the barren cottonwood trees along Big Elk Creek. Scattered around the drainage were five dead sheep and five others that were injured.

    A veterinarian was called to patch up the five injured sheep, most of them with torn throats, but only two of those survived. "I've never seen anything like it," Martin said. "Some were hamstrung, their legs were broken and twisted. I'd never seen kills like it before. The sheep were scared to death." "It was a sad day, because I know he'll be back, and he'll be back with friends."

    Tonya and her husband, Craig, are parents to the fifth generation of Martins on their ranch. The family's roots along the windy northeastern face of the Crazy Mountains reach back 114 years. This rural area has come full circle. The first sheep were herded into this part of the Musselshell Valley in 1876. By the early 1900s, it was estimated that rancher Charles Bair owned more than 300,000 head of sheep, making the area one of the top sheep-producing regions in the world. Sheep production has dropped precipitously across Montana and the United States since the 1920s, for a variety of reasons. But Martin likes having her nearly 400 head of sheep around as a way to control weeds without using pesticides. "They bring a lot more to the table," she said.

    As sheep and settler numbers grew at the turn of the century, wolves were exterminated across the landscape. The hide and skull of one of the last wolves killed in the early 1900s in the Two Dot region hangs on the fireplace of Martin's neighbor, Mac White. His uncles used to hunt wolves with greyhounds and Irish wolfhounds. "They got rid of them for a reason," Martin said. But now wolves are back.

    After being reintroduced in Yellowstone National Park in the mid-1990s, wolves have recolonized old territories and now number more than 1,500 in Montana, Wyoming and Idaho. As wolf populations have grown, roaming wolves are breaking off to seek new habitat, new food sources. "Wolves are firmly established and all of Montana is within the dispersal distance of wolves," said Carolyn Sime, wolf coordinator for the Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks. Adult wolves have been known to wander up to 500 miles, crossing interstate highways, big rivers and there's even anecdotal evidence they've swum reservoirs. Sixty to 80 miles is a more typical traveling distance, which puts the Crazy Mountains, an island range, within reach of four other known packs.

    The Martin ranch, located 10 miles south of Two Dot, has been no stranger to predators over the years. "We had a 350-pound bear killing sheep in the lambing shed three or four years ago," Martin said. The big bear eventually was shot by a Harlowton hunter, but Tonya said the situation was a bit too close for comfort. The family has also weathered its share of coyote kills in the 13 years that Martin has been raising sheep. But she sees the wolf that attacked her flock a bit differently. "They're vicious," she said. "It never ate a bite. It just killed for fun. It's a completely different predator."

    Sime said sheep trigger some "hardwired" mechanism in wolves that makes them tend to kill more than just one, although she said there's no way to understand why the wolves do it. "I don't really know if a wolf thinks that's fun or not," Sime said. She also said a lone wolf will often kill and not return to the kill site, electing to move on in search of other wolves. "Wolves have a pretty big urge to move on because they're a pack animal," Sime said. "They're looking for other wolves."

    When other predators such as coyotes, bears or mountain lions kill an animal, they usually return to feed, Martin said, and they don't typically return with many friends, if any. That's what concerns her most -- that the lone wolf may signal the start of a new pack in the area and more sheep losses.

    Sime said that once nighttime temperatures get above freezing, a government trapper will be authorized to set leg-hold traps to try to catch the Two Dot-area wolf for collaring. When it's freezing, there's concern that the animal could lose its paw in a leg-hold trap. "That's a typical step for us when we have a wolf in a new area," Sime said. The state would like to know whether the wolf was a loner, or the mate of a breeding pair that may be looking to den and have pups this spring.

    It's calving season, and the Martins are already putting in long hours tending their livestock. But since the wolf attack, they've been on high alert. Bellowing cows have them grabbing their coats, slipping on boots and rushing outside to make sure there's no problem.

     
  • carmann posted at 6:24 pm on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    carmann Posts: 28

    Feed the worthless cancerous conservatives like joeidaho to the wolves.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:05 pm on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    OK cargirl, you have said that you want me to be hit by a car, ate by a wolf, and that Gary Finney was getting "payback" for his wolf hunting expeditions, by having his dog viciously attacked by out of control mangy wolves. Your star is shining bright, we're all SOOO offended.

    Tell me, genius, when's the last time you went into the woods near some wolves, and don't tell me about yellowstone, either. You're one of these ows squatters who hasn't had a job for 99 weeks, sits in front of the computer thinking you are really "making a point for the defenseless wolf", when in reality, you're just showing us all how little you really know about the wild, which is TYPICAL for any liberal.

    You're the train engineer looking at the wheel on his locomotive wondering why it won't turn, at the same time the engine won't start.
    Clueless.


     
  • carmann posted at 5:46 pm on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    carmann Posts: 28

    At some point, a human is going to walk down a road in Idaho, a hunter, maybe a treehugger, like you wolfys. Then, a pack of wolves is going to come & eat this person alive. At that point, I'm SURE that you

    and I can only hope that that person will be you.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 4:48 pm on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    carol, how bout:
    "liberals vote for blobama, get more hopeless & changeless"

    Or maybe:
    liberal=socialist=communist.

    or...
    "Liberals, people who know more government is better government!"

    Or the ever famous:
    "Less oil, higher oil prices, good for America!"

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 4:39 pm on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    "confused"-
    I used the term "eat" openly. Sorry to add to your conundrums.

    Funny, my "mindless" rants are based on fact. You, on the other hand, pick out one word, & try to make an argument of it.

    FACT:
    Wolves killed (2) dogs in the last week or so.
    FACT:
    Wolves kill animals for SPORT.
    FACT:
    People that support wolves know very little about them.

    It took 40 YEARS to wipe the wolves from the face of the western states. They have been the enemy of mankind for over 1,000 years. Stating that they are "part of nature" means that you have no comprehension of survival.
    At some point, a human is going to walk down a road in Idaho, a hunter, maybe a treehugger, like you wolfys. Then, a pack of wolves is going to come & eat this person alive. At that point, I'm SURE that you wolf morons will be all about how "the human didn't belong there".

    Top of the food chain:
    to a liberal-Wolf
    to a HUMAN- human.

     
  • carol posted at 4:05 pm on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    carol Posts: 445

    Worm on the end of line. Fish eats worm. KILLING MACHINE!!!! KILL ALL FISH!!!!!!

     
  • CONFUSED posted at 3:55 pm on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    CONFUSED Posts: 67

    Joe:
    On an article last week here's your quote to me. In the quote you say wolves dont eat what they kill, now your blaming the wolves for EATING this dog. Which is it? If your going to mindlessly rant and regurgitate the same story over and over atleast be consistent. And that is the true defeinition of hypicritical.....

    "confused, you'll stay that way about this until youcomprhend how an entire drainage that USED to be full of elk i snow empty because wolves knocked them down for sport. Comparing hunters with wolves is just a moronic way of looking at it, but it leigitimatley shows your anti-hunter liberal bias.

    See, to explain it to you in child like terms, since you need them, hunters are limited by their LICENSE. They can't go out & kill elk & deer, leaving them to rot on the ground, 4 to 7 a day, year round. Wolves, on the other hand, do this, and FULLY DESTROY entire herds of elk, and populations of deer. The proof is EVERYWHERE wolves are at. If you JUST go into the woods, where wolves are, you will find alomst NO deer or elk.
    I wonder why?

    You said "wolves eat what they kill".
    FALSE. The knock down MOST of what they kill & eat NOTHING.

    The BEST conservationists are HUNTERS. Why?
    Because they want to be ABLE to have successful hunts, so they work hard to ENSURE that there are animals in the woods TO hunt. Environmentalists, "wolf lovers" have zero clue, as they never GO into the "

     
  • VandalJosh posted at 2:04 pm on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    VandalJosh Posts: 106

    I've let my dog sleep outside over night during the winter. Not chained, but in a fenced yard. He's a siberian husky, and once the snow falls you can't get him in the house.

    My neighbor's old dog was a chesapeak bay retriever and he olny brought him inside when it was a bad storm. And the dog acted like he was being kept inside as punishment.

    That's awsome that you all pamper your dogs as if they were spoiled children, but most dogs i've been around don't want it. It seems like the real issue that this is bad press for the pro-wolf people and you are trying to spin the story to your liking.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 2:00 pm on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Another "there was no wolf, it was the owner's fault" liberal.

    That "easy target" was near other homes that have had dogs outside all year for DECADES. Now, the wolves are coming, and suddnely, what these people have been doing with their dogs (outside) is wrong.

    Know what hypocritical is?
    It's blaming the owner of a dog for it's death by being RIPPED out of it's leash by a WOLF PACK.
    I guess we shouldn't go outside any more, huh commies?

    Shoot a wolf, make a friend......wolfy mcnuggets, wolf tenderloin, wolf spaghetti. Ummm huummmm....

     
  • Kat Ballou posted at 1:49 pm on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    Kat Ballou Posts: 45

    I agree with Shadow, this was death caused by the neglect of the owners. Their stupid actions by chaining the dog outdoors, made him an easy target. Don't have pets if this is how you intend to treat them. If you want a companion animal, get a house cat or hamster, something you won't mistreat.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 1:40 pm on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Gracious; your diatribe is ALL about dogs, instead of what it should be about, WOLVES.

    See, if you really "lived out in the woods", you'd understand that until wolves got here, it WAS sfae to walk in the dark. NOW, you best be packing, minimally.

    A year ago, wolves weren't eating people's dogs. There IS a difference between a year ago & now.

    You sheperd can also be taken in daylight, by wolves, and probably will, regardless of how "responsible" you think you are.

    Your entire issue is about the dog being outside, instead of the wolf that ATE IT.

    You concern yourself with the dog's coat when the wolf's TEETH were the problem.

    Talk about missing the point.....

    You keep your doggy inside, and feel nice & safe. When you're walking in the woods somewhere close to your house, near town, and you hear your dog screeching, I'll have to talk about how irresponsible you were to let your dog out of sight, when the woods are so FULL of deadly animals.
    What a crock.

     
  • gracious few posted at 1:13 pm on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    gracious few Posts: 285

    and I didn't say they could out run a wolf, however the dog would have had a better chance to get away than be a sitting duck... would the wolves have gotten the dog? we don't know , and providing shelter isn't enough. the dog should have been in a more secure environment. this breed of dog is NOT and outside dog by any means.. just like you wouldn't leave a boxer out overnight. they don't have the coat to support being left out in below freezing temps...

     
  • gracious few posted at 1:08 pm on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

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    My heeler wont be found dead in my yard because I AM A RESPONSIBLE PET OWNER. I would not eve leave my German Shepherd out over night.

     
  • gracious few posted at 1:07 pm on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

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    and if you think wolves weren't hear a year ago YOU are 100% WRONG

     
  • gracious few posted at 1:06 pm on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

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    am I joe? I am apart of a rescue with several other friends... pretty sure I know what I am talking about, Mr. Know it all, I have also lived out of town. I know what is out there, It wasn't even safe to walk to the mailbox after dark.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 12:57 pm on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Gracious; you are 100% wrong.
    Dogs can't outrun woves.
    Leaving your pet outdoors is somethng that "native" Idahoans have been doing forever, and there is NOTHING wrong with it.
    It is NOT "cruel" to leave a dog outdoors, providing a little shelter.

    Know what's hilarious about people like you, with "Blue Heelers"?
    Someday, you MIGHT wake up to the premsie that the ISSUE is that WOLVES that weren't here a year ago are now EATING dogs in people's yards.
    And what do you have to say about these fully evil wolves?
    ""Shouldn't tie your dog up in your yard".
    It'll change when you find your heeler half eaten in your yard one afternoon. Then, all of a sudden, you'll WAKE UP.
    Until then, you'll ignore these animals that humans worked for 40 years to eradicate.
    I need to start a new society:
    "Wolf Eradication, INC"
    "Environmentalists, Saving Our Native Elk" (And dogs in people's backyards; too)

     
  • gracious few posted at 12:44 pm on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    gracious few Posts: 285

    I am saying if this dog were not tied to a leash. let me ask you this how would you like to be tied to a leash? if this dog were not tied up , possible he could have escaped. maybe not . the fact of the matter is. a RESPONSIBLE PET OWNER living out of town knows you don't leave your pets outside. PERIOD. it is cruel to leave a dog tied up especially to sleep.... I am sure they are nice people but just because they are nice people DOES NOT make them responsible pet owners... I have a small Blue Heeler/ Chow I would never EVER chain her up, or leave her outside especially with the cold temps...

    Maybe we should put some of you in a dog house with straw with temps in the teens and see how warm you stay. YOU NEVER EVER LEAVE A DOG TIED UP...

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 12:04 pm on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Forest, you just have to comprehend that the LIBERALS in our society know more thna the rest of us ignorant toothless hicks. We, the people who DO live in the woods, don't understand dogs, or know what a wolf is. We just have our animals (& soon children) eaten viciously by wolves, and generally, it's our fault because we're invading the wolve's space, just by our being in the woods, where we don't belong, in the first place.

    Carmann, for example, wants me to get hit by a speeding truck.
    Me, I'm MUCH more civil.
    The truck that (I'm hoping) hits carmann doesn't have to be speeding, but I do hope it has studded tires, for better traction.

     
  • VandalJosh posted at 11:00 am on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

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    Let's clone some dinosaurs and bring them back too.

     
  • Forest Guy posted at 10:15 am on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

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    Again I am amazed and ashamed at the pure vitriol which is being expressed here. When did it become OK to lash out at our fellow citizens this way? I have vastly different opinions on some of these subjects than for instance Carmann, but I do not wish this person thrown in front of a 'speeding car' as a result. It's exactly this kind of hyperbole that makes having a reasoned discussion on virtually anything in this country impossible.

     
  • nmmomma posted at 10:00 am on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    nmmomma Posts: 2

    amen IdahoRoper!!!

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 9:37 am on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Got it, Communists.
    Inorder to have a dog outside, you have to follow the communists' rules on how a dog needs to be "off of a chain".
    As long as the dog is not chained, it has "a chance" against a PACK of wolves.

    You people are morons.

    DEATH TO ALL WOLVES... TODAY.

     
  • milburnschmidt posted at 9:15 am on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

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    Joeidaho Im glad you got Annis goat(Before a wolf got it) Anni reminds me of a lawyer defending a client whose dog bit a neighbor. His first line of defense was my client doesnt own a dog,If he did it wouldnt attack anyone and if it did it was self defense. Anni brings in canada stating everyone there is in harmony but recently I believe a wolf attack killed a man. The canadians hunt and trap wolves. As for minnesota they are all over the state and have thinned out the moose. Minnesotans except for annis like thinkers are demanding wolves be thinned out. Poor Anni is dyslexic when reading about wolf problems and will never consider them a problem. Then shamelessly throws all the blame on a cougar to protect her wolves. Who speaks for the cougar. How does she know it was guilty did TWEETY tell her he tought he saw a puddy tat. I think Anni is Kathi in new name and identity in a undisclosed location. If fish and game are not reliable I guess we will have rely on Annis remote viewing to investigate these attacks. Way to go Joe I knew she would show up.

     
  • gsp posted at 8:56 am on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    gsp Posts: 3

    I agree with Sag, it is the chain. The dog has no chance when chained up!

     
  • sag posted at 8:09 am on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    sag Posts: 4

    Baybrook78- i forgot the "not" herding in my haste to reply. I own a livestock guardian dog, a great pyrenees. I meant to say not herding dogs. I don't need an education on dogs. I know plenty about dogs, especially LGD/LSD.

    JoelWolf - no place for wolves in Idaho-hmmm, they lived their long before you did, were forced out, and now they are back where nature intended them to be. Why do you think you are entitled to decide their fate. Liberals aren't the only Americans who support wolves so don't make undeducated assumptions.

    I cleary understand the concept of an outside dog. Our hunting dogs lived outside when i was growing up. My neighbor has two, my father has one. I don't agree with either of them having dogs outside, but they aren't chained. My father had an outside that he cabeled during the day and it got tangled and hung himself. Twelves years ago, I lived in town and my neighbors mastiff jumped over a 5 foot fence into my yard and hung himself. My dad's outside dog has a $100 outside kennel he built.
    The issue here for me is the chain - not wolves.

     
  • pd1974 posted at 7:53 am on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

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    Hunters are the worst predator of them all. Where is there no "harvest" season on them?

     
  • carmann posted at 7:23 am on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    carmann Posts: 28

    If you think dogs are meant to be outside, let them outside and leave them outside all night and see what happens to them, they will probably get killed by something or another. Normal pet owners keep their dogs inside to protect them from the dangerous elements outside. It is clear some idahoians are very dumb and don't know how to properly take care of their pets and when their pets are killed by wild animals, they cry wild animal instead of blaming themselves and taking responsibility for their failure to take care of their pet.

     
  • local res posted at 7:22 am on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

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    It is time for the Fish & Game to change our wolf program. Stop treating the wolf like a big game animal. Treat them like a predator. No tags and no season, just make it mandatory to report a kill in order to protect the basic wolf numbers that the fed set, just keep the feds happy.

     
  • carmann posted at 7:16 am on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    carmann Posts: 28

    luv where, I'm sure that dog was happy being chained up outside, not. Dogs are meant to be inside. If you let them outside and aren't watching them and something happens to them, you are responsible. idahoans the stupid ones anyways don't seem to know how to take care of their dogs and watch over them very carefully. being an irresponsible dog owner just might cost you your dogs life. As I said, the dog musta been real happy being CHAINED UP OUTSIDE IN THE FREEZING COLD.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 7:07 am on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Ann says that the mangy wolves are all "timber wolves" now....and that Gary Finney wouldn't know the diference between a wolf & a dog.

    Liberals are POISON to America. Wolves all need to be exterminated.
    We need to START TODAY.
    Me, I'm going to take my class on trapping, because I FULLY intend to "trap" as many as "the law will permit".

     
  • mking posted at 12:58 am on Fri, Jan 20, 2012.

    mking Posts: 10

    JoeIdaho you are my hero. Wolves are not good, they will attack and kill all sorts of animals both domestic and wild. I feel bad for the people that lost their dog but you cannot blame them their dog got killed. How many dogs are run over or put down at shelters? These people secured their dog and provided it a shelter, I think that is taking care of the dog sufficiently. My dog is an outdoor dog and is secured in my yard with a heated dog house. That does not make me a bad person. I am not the purse dog carrying type. I am for wolf hunting and I am a native Idahoan.

     
  • Idaho Roper posted at 11:35 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

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    The comments on this story are so typical of the urban bed wetters that all seem to think every dog must have a $100,000 kennel. I have had dogs my entire life, well treated, well cared for, loved, trained and most have lived long past their expected life span, yet....I have never had an inside dog in my entire existence, and I never will. This may come as some surprise to many of the 'dogs are people too' crowd, but dogs have fur for a reason.

    I find it telling that in a verified case of a wolf killing yet another dog, denial is not the tactic, but attack upon the owner. The predator worshipers are so predictable.

    Like I stated in the other case, just gun the freaking wolves down, protect your private property and move on with your life.

    For you foo foo dog doggie people whom believe any cruelty was committed here, please learn that not everyone must live their life by your opinion. You want to make you house into a kennel, your choice, but mine is not, my choice.

    If a wolf steps on my private property, it will not be stepping off. Don't like that? Move to some other place where my rights do not protect me from your opinion. While I will not begrudge you your opinion, neither will I be forced to live by them. Isn't America great?

    And one more thing........for those of you throwing out unfounded accusations about them somehow using this dog for bait. Get a check on reality.

    And carmann.....your wishing harm upon another human being says all that needs said about you. Just another angry hater.

     
  • AnninIdaho posted at 11:34 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    AnninIdaho Posts: 77

    The wolves that live here now are Timber Wolves, a subspecies of the species Gray Wolf. They exist throughout the Northern Rocky Mountain Ecosystem. (Western Canada/Western U.S.) That ecosystem does not stop at the US/Canadian Border!
    How on earth do you think Canadians live with these same wolves??? They live with about 50,000 of them. They do all kinds of outdoor activities throughout the winter, unarmed and unafraid of wolves, unlike some Idaho wussies. Minnesota has lived with around 3000 wolves for decades, without problems. Idaho cannot handle less than 1000?

     
  • AnninIdaho posted at 11:26 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

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    There is absolutely not one shred of proof that wolves did this anyway. All we have is the word of one single wolf hater/ wolf hunter who claims that he saw wolf tracks. Conveniently, this happened Tues. Night/ Wed. Morning , during the snowstorm. Coincidentally, it happened just a couple of days after CDA Press an NBC Montana, among others, exposed a previous accustion of wolves killing a dog in North Idaho (Wallace) as FALSE. You have no dog, no witnesses, no investigation; nothing. The fact that wolf hater JoeIdaho here, with over 1090 previous comments, probably most of them anti-wolf, admits he is friends with the dog owner, says it ALL.

     
  • carmann posted at 11:08 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    carmann Posts: 28

    I hope everyone in Idaho gets VERY serious about killing these maniac predators before a person finally has to pay with their life.

    Let's hope that that person is you joeidaho......

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 11:06 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

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    I also know the Holtes, and they are genuinely good people.
    Hopefully, everyone in Idaho takes part in the hunt, and takes out as many of these perfectly deadly & destructive animals as possible. There is NO PLACE for wolves in North Idaho.

     
  • carmann posted at 11:05 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    carmann Posts: 28

    joeidaho, do everyone a favor and walk in front of a speeding car. You are a waste of space...

     
  • robmob posted at 10:19 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

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    Look everyone I know that this is a horrible event and is even harder on avid animal lovers like myself. I love all animals domesticated, wild, predatory or not. The fact of the matter is I know the Holte's and I promise you all they are the most amazing, loving people I have ever met. They have done more for their family, friends and community then most of us could ever hope to do. I'm sure everyone here has had a moment in their life that they wish they had done something different. I'm sure that with what they know now Buckwheat would still be here. The fact is some dogs don't like it indoors and it's just as cruel to force them to be. He wasn't chained up all the time, he had children that loved him and played with him all the time.
    I don't blame the wolves of course they were just doing what they are programed to do. The big picture here is that these wolves are not native to this area. They were relocated here and they are very large and aggressive. What people need to realize is yes they are here and they do not seem to be afraid of humans by coming so close to houses. And the fact that this happened 5 miles from a large city. I think that most blame needs to be put on the people who felt it necessary to bring them here in the first place. We need to let nature be and it will fix itself. As sad as this is for the dog, the wolves and yes also the Holte's there is a large lesson for all of us to learn here. So please let's not be hateful. Let's educate ourselves from this sad event and all be the wiser.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 10:17 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

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    It is sick & disgusting that liberals of all sorts have the nerve to come here & tell people who actually live in the country how to deal with dogs, wolves, etc. TYPICAL of the left wing commuinists that they have to tell us that wolves "have a place".
    See, I know PRECISELY where that "place" is; either at the end of my barrell, or on the front of my truck. Either way, I hope everyone in Idaho gets VERY serious about killing these maniac predators before a person finally has to pay with their life.
    The BEST thing that could possibly happen to North Idaho is that every wolf loving liberal move back to california. Then, or before, a huge case of parvo gets set loose on the wolves, and every single on of them dies.

     
  • luv where u live posted at 9:31 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

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    Wow people. Animals are not meant to be inside, the dog was probably happier then any of your pampered pets who only get to go wee wee on command as you walk them twice a day.

    Where I see Holte's reaction a little dramatic she is probably shaken up, and feeling vulnerable. So give her a break.

    Wolves are relatively new part of our wild landscape, and those who are lucky enough to live in it will need to re-evaluate the way the keep their pets and livestock. Something the family is now considering. For once this article it is just information not a value on the care of the dog or the necessity of wolves.

     
  • Buckwheat posted at 9:16 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    Buckwheat Posts: 1

    Jane Holte, Momma and Gary Finney, Pappa, why did you leave me out all alone outside tethered in cold, snowy outside? don't you know that I was still a puppy at 1 and half years old? 40 pounds? Puppy or not, Don't you know I was a pack animal? I was bred for many years to LOVE and LIVE with humans more than other canine friends?
    Why was I left alone outside? Don't you think I would get cold? Didn't you think I would so much love to be with you, my pack? Didn't you think I was loyal to you? So, you are blaming wolves? I could have been stolen, lost or attacked by other animals....including humans. I looked up to you to protect me and YOU failed me.

     
  • AnninIdaho posted at 9:06 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

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    @ Forest Guy... a 40 lb 1 1./2 year old dog on a twenty foot chain is obviously incapable of "doing the job of protecting livestock from predators!" Poor thing shouldn't have been outside, by himself, unprotected if they knew there was any possibility of large predators in the area. Someone about a mile from me had their dog killed by a cougar while they were at work one day because it was left chained up outside.

     
  • gsp posted at 8:41 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    gsp Posts: 3

    Had a friend that kept their karelian bear dog chained up most of the time. Needless to say that dog was attacked by two dogs passing through the property. The dog that was chained up was beaten up really bad. That size of dog would have had a better chance to defend it's self if she was not chained up! Not fair for the dog. It is irritating when people have a shop, garage, laundry room and they still have their dogs live full time outside.

    My point is, I think it is unfair to the dog when you chain them up. They are at a disadvantage if a fight with any animal should happen.

     
  • Forest Guy posted at 8:05 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    Forest Guy Posts: 3

    I can see some of you don't understand the concept of an 'outside dog'

     
  • Buttergon posted at 7:56 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

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    Something was 'off' in this story, something niggling... and now I know what: it is reported that nothing but blood and the collar were left behind, and no signs of dragging were mentioned - just two clear sets of paw prints (or so Finney claims). Since wolves do NOT eat the hide, the large bones, the skull or the stomach of their prey... just where are Buckwheat's missing parts?

     
  • tjf posted at 7:52 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

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    I totally agree with Buttergon! That is ridiculous! I would make sure they never owned another pet!

     
  • Buttergon posted at 7:41 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

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    So, let me get this straight. Finney and Holte are both well aware that there have been numerous wolf sightings - not only in the area, but actually on Holte's property - and she STILL left a young dog outside all night in the cold - and not only outside, but tethered by a chain - trapped dinner? Since Finney is supposed to be so knowledgable and all, he and his sister certainly cannot claim ignorance, so... were they using poor Buckwheat as bait? Clearly, it is THEIR negligence, their cruelty and their fault that this young dog is dead. Perhaps Cooper should think and act more like an officer and actually do his job, rather than leaving it to his buddy Gary.

     
  • Shadow posted at 5:48 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    Shadow Posts: 45

    Pure and simple. This was death of a dog by neglect. The owners should be charged to the full extent of the law, which is not enough.

     
  • COG777 posted at 4:58 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

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    Very sorry to hear about the loss of the dog. Years ago when my dogs were younger I had to put them on a chain because they would run off. They were too wild in the house and they chewed through a chain link fence.

    Coyotes will also attempt to entice dogs to follow them to their pack where they will attack. They will have a single coyote come up to dogs.

    Wolves do not belong here. The people who want them can have them at their place but on this one I am a NIMBY! Put them in yours!

     
  • Baybrook78 posted at 4:52 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

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    With all the comments on here I guess I will assume that you all know this family and the whole situation? Actually I am guessing you don’t, I grew up with this family and lived not far away. Their kids grew up doing 4-H and are wonderful to their animals. So before you throw out all kinds of accusations maybe you should learn the whole story about the situation, and the people you are insulting and declaring negligent.
    And Sag get educated about your dogs he is a heeler and Australian Sheppard mix both of which are from the herding group and not over 50lbs.

     
  • Twin Lakes Redneck posted at 3:34 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

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    @sag, inCdA & gracious few...are you saying if this dog were not chained up it would not have been killed?

     
  • sag posted at 2:59 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    sag Posts: 4

    Forest Guy - Livestock Guardian Dogs are NEVER CHAINED! and they don't weigh 40 lbs. and they from the herding group.

     
  • InCd'A posted at 2:48 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

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    I'm sorry but why would you leave a 40 lb dog chained up outside all night in the winter! Why would you leave any pet chained up outside all night long or leave any pet outside all night? Especially when you live in the boonies! STUPID!!! I grew up in the country and our dog and cats always came in at night because there were copyotes and racoons that could still get in a fenced area. I feel terrible for the owner and even more so for the poor dog. Why have a pet if you're going to let them live a life on a chain, left outside all the time. Don't have a pet if that's how you intend to treat them.

     
  • gracious few posted at 2:42 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

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    I respectfully disagree Forest Guy, first of all NO animal should be kept on a chain, period.
    Anyone that has lived here long enough knows there are wild animals in our area, not only wolves.

    When you live out of town, you do not leave your animals out over night , they are sitting ducks..

    this 40 pound dog was not in charge of anything for crying out loud. This dog owner was neglectful. period...

     
  • Forest Guy posted at 2:08 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

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    I find many of the comments on this page disturbing and extremely short sighted. This article is obviously not talking about a pampered indoor Pomeranian or poodle. The fact that many of you don't realize that this dog likely had a job to do like for example keeping predators away from livestock is shocking. Against any other predator in North Idaho a barking dog on the property would have been a quite effective deterrent. One that mankind has been using in this manner for literally thousands of years. Accusing the dogs owner of neglect only serves to highlight how distanced your comfortable lives have become.

    Did any of you stop to consider that there are other ways of doing things? Having the dog leashed during the evening was most likely the most responsible thing the owner could have done for it. Bears, cougars, bobcats, all would have given a human area with a dog a wide berth and the dog couldn't wonder off unsupervised to get into trouble. I am appalled at the ease with which some of you jump to conclusions.

     
  • Icecold posted at 1:36 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

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    Gailbee, you live in rural oregon. Man I hear house cats are pretty vicious out there. Be safe.

     
  • Josh W posted at 1:29 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

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    As for fear mongering on attacks humans you are wrong there are several confirmed over the last few years and a lot of recorded attacks back before wolves were controlled, look in the history book for those and a quick google search for the recent ones so ya wolves kill all the time. If you go to other countries where numbers are not controlled and guns are not allowed the number of attacks jumps significantly. Do a little research before spouting false propaganda. This is what they want yu to believe. Those of you talking about other predators, cats and bears, incidents with them have climbed a lot in last few years as well. Including deaths from starving animals, this is a signal there are too many wolves and not enough prey.

     
  • sag posted at 1:03 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

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    At a minimum, dogs are pack animals - they are not meant to live alone. So if no other dogs are outside with it, it needs to be with it's pack - its human family where ever they may live/sleep. Again, at a minimum, no living creature deserves to live on a chain. Sadly, the poor dog is probaby better off.

     
  • VandalJosh posted at 12:57 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

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    Payback is a carmann.

     
  • Twin Lakes Redneck posted at 12:51 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    Twin Lakes Redneck Posts: 109

    dog dudes....relax on the chain saga...maybe this dog is chaned at night and let off during the day, even if the dog were not chained it would still be dead....dogs are not mean to live inside

     
  • Twin Lakes Redneck posted at 12:49 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    Twin Lakes Redneck Posts: 109

    @carmann...you are a clown....hahahaha

     
  • carmann posted at 12:42 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    carmann Posts: 28

    with that said, any dog that is killed by another animal is a terrible tragedy.

     
  • gailbee posted at 12:42 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

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    Sounds like the dog was left out, literally, for bait!! Why have a dog and leave it out in the back 40 tied to a pole? What is wrong with people? I live very rurally in Oregon and we have lots of predators but I do my best to make sure my animals & pets are as out of harms way as possible. Don't blame the wolves for doing what nature intended them to do. Sharks kill, lions kill, lots of animals kill, do we wipe them out because we think they're killers? I don't think so. If you care about your pets and livestock, take the precautions to keep them safer. Yeah, that may mean spending a few more dollars. We were losing sheep to a bear but reinforced our enclosure and outsmarted the bear. I think we can be smarter than the wolves...but then again, seeing some of the gene pools out there, that is questionable. BTW, for all you fear mongers that think the next thing to happen is that you'll get attacked while walking down the street...there have been no recorded wolf attacks on humans in history. Like I say to the folks that move to Oregon and then realize they lost their cat to a cougar, go back to the condo life, the wildlife was here first!

     
  • carmann posted at 12:41 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    carmann Posts: 28

    That hunter was out trying to kill a wolf and his dog was killed by wolves. Payback is a you know what.

     
  • sag posted at 12:37 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    sag Posts: 4

    Yes, dogs have been chained for many miliennia. Slaves have been used for many millennia. Women couldn't vote for many millennia, parents sacrificed their first born.... - THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT! No living creature deserves to live it's life on a chain. Most notably, in area where wildlife or weather are a threat. The dog can't defend itself. If you have to have a dog that lives outside, build it a secure pen. If you choose live in a state with wolves and grizzlies - use your head! It doesn't matter if you live in town or not. You chose to live on their turf-think accordingly. Sure, if wildlife threaten your dog or child in the middle of the day or they are acting unnatural, shoot it. But if they are behaving like their speicies behaves, leave them be or move! For those who choose to leave their dogs out chained and defenseless, you should be held responsible for that dog's life. Wolf rights aside, it is irresponsible to chain a dog out. What a miserable life. Karma is a b!t*). I am not some earth loving hippy freak. I was/am born and raised a redneck - difference between me and the dog's owner - she is whitetrash.

     
  • dogtired posted at 12:24 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    dogtired Posts: 1

    Dogs are pack animals whether they are part of a human pack or the dog pack. Chained dogs are just wrong & I do not live in mambi pambi land. If someone really wants to keep their dogs outside away from them there are things they can do to attempt to keep them safer. This dog never had a chance. It's really sad. I do not understand people who have dogs only to keep them outside, away from them - what's the point?? Why do you think chained dogs make rut marks & go in circles? Anxiety. The need to be part of a group. Chained alone is no way to live. RIP Buckwheat.

     
  • Icecold posted at 12:21 pm on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    Icecold Posts: 50

    If we are lucky, maybe buckwheat had parvo.

     
  • babydriver posted at 11:52 am on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    babydriver Posts: 1393

    If I see one in the city, do I need a tag to shoot it?

     
  • nmmomma posted at 11:50 am on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    nmmomma Posts: 2

    are you kidding me that dog was just a snack!!! for you to think that dog should have been inside you need to go back to mambi pambi land....so should they make room for the horses and chickens inside as well? what about the 2 wolves that just killed a german shepherd, 2 sheep, and a horse in fairfield, id. and the kids are they to never be allowed back outside? so we should just be held prisioner in our own homes because of these soft "little" cuddly creatures.....quite frankly thank GOD the dog was tied up because now there is PROOF w/o a doubt it was wolves for the cause of this and not just waking up and saying "o little buck is gone, wonder where he went." this is not california people this not out in the middle of nowhere this is pretty close to the city limits....

     
  • My2sence posted at 11:21 am on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    My2sence Posts: 317

    This is great, I'm gonna use this one.
    last year my friend accidentally shot his sister in the leg with his .22 rifle (no, not while hunting, relax)
    so Im going to ask my friend...."just what in the he!! was her leg doing there in the first place" that leg probably had no business being there at all, so there for, by all rights, should have been shot !

    It sounds just a dumb when you wolf protectors say it was the owners fault, and the dog
    "deseverd" to be savagely slaughtered and eaten......????WHAT?? am i missing something? besides more puncuation marks. Just the fact that they are skirting aound the city limits should be enough to open your eyes, but you can't see what you dont want to see I guess.

     
  • gonefishin posted at 10:55 am on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    gonefishin Posts: 30

    People chain their dog up outside all the time, and have done so for millennia. For you to call it "negligence" is not only irrational, it's downright idiotic. Not only that, but do you really think an australian shepherd would have been able to outrun two hungry wolves?

    The lady went out to feed her dog one morning and found blood splatter and wolf tracks. You wouldn't be "creeped out", at the very least, if that happened to you?

    You internet tough guys should be ashamed of yourselves for your comments.

     
  • Twin Lakes Redneck posted at 10:51 am on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    Twin Lakes Redneck Posts: 109

    @carmann....please try not to live up to all my expectations of you....typical lame response...making personal attacks and not sticking to issues...thanks for the laugh!

     
  • PandaPuppy posted at 10:39 am on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    PandaPuppy Posts: 15

    For all those commenting here, who think Holte is, in some way, to blame for her dog being killed and consumed by wolves, I have to ask - was Holte involved in the bringing of this apex predator into the United States? Since it is doubtful she was, shouldn't those responsible be tasked with the cost to put up secure dog pens for pet owners who must keep their dogs outside while they are away? Even had this dog been loose, it would have been dead. The only chance your pet has against wolves is a dog run tall enough to where the wolves cannot get in it, and big enough that they can't get at the dog through the fence. A wimpy dog run won't do the job. And those cost money. And those responsible for bringing these killing machines into this country should have to pay. Organizations like Defenders of Wildlife, Conservation Northwest ...

     
  • sportsman posted at 9:25 am on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    sportsman Posts: 8

    Haven't filled my state approved wolve tags yet!...Guess I need to be hunting closer to the CDA city limits.

     
  • carmann posted at 9:19 am on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    carmann Posts: 28

    "really easy for you to talk trash while hiding behind a computer...cowards"

    Yeah, you would know you trailer park food stamps collecting redneck.........

     
  • Twin Lakes Redneck posted at 9:14 am on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    Twin Lakes Redneck Posts: 109

    one more thought...you sheeple placing the blame are missing the big picture here....wolves are attacking pets 5 miles eas of CdA...think about it...although i am sure all the blamers are city dwellers anyways...

     
  • milburnschmidt posted at 9:12 am on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    milburnschmidt Posts: 1161

    Oh dear here we go again blame the victim. Most of us who live in wolf country have taken steps to protect wilburn and pooky unfortunately some dont. It wont be long though before someone walking their dog on leash will come to grief. I suppose the wolf supporters will accuse them of trolling their dogs and asking for it. Nothing wrong with leashing up dogs outside thats called not letting them run loose you doofusses . Going along with that they should also be enclosed to protect them. Dogs penned up properly outside are healthier than indoor dogs like it or not as long as they have proper shelter and bedding and food and water. Aside from the pet owners intelligence quotient the dogs are being killed by wolves that would not have been here except for soft headed saps who pontificate. Be ready for kathy and post directions in case her merry band of wolf people show up for a candle light vigil.

     
  • Twin Lakes Redneck posted at 9:03 am on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    Twin Lakes Redneck Posts: 109

    you guys are idots for blaming the owner...that dog would have been killed whether chained or not...so shut your uninformed mouths...really easy for you to talk trash while hiding behind a computer...cowards

    also chaining a dog and having a warm shelter is a perfectly fine way to take care of a dog...guess you are opposed to all the dog sledding dogs who live like that too....

     
  • Mark on the Park posted at 8:52 am on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    Mark on the Park Posts: 471

    Unfortunately, wolves aren't going anywhere any time soon. So baiting them with pets is...wait for it...

    Really stupid. This pet owner got what she deserved.

     
  • Patrick Krapfl posted at 8:50 am on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    Patrick Krapfl Posts: 13

    Chained up outside or not, this is going to become all the more common. I hear about people in the big city worried about the coyotes snatching a cat here and there or a small dog. These wolves are having a hard winter with the lack of snow to slow down the Elk, Moose and Deer. So encroachment on the city is going to be more common. And as the wolves expand in numbers, their natural food sources are going to be depleted. Then you are going to let Pooky out for his evening bathroom break not knowing that those lovely wolves are waiting in town for everyone to feed them their beloved pets. Another reason these predators need to be controlled before their numbers blow up far beyond what the natural food source can sustain.

     
  • sportsman posted at 8:42 am on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    sportsman Posts: 8

    Obvius city dweller comments here! Just put all your farm animals in your house at night. How about treat the wolf as a coyote " No season No limit"

     
  • queequeg posted at 8:33 am on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    queequeg Posts: 10


    I agree with mister d's post, dogs outside or coming and going from covered shelter is not neglect, it's normal. These WOLVES are becoming habituated (losing fear of humans).The next step for them will be determining if WE are a legitimate prey animal. Sound ridiculous ? Dream on. Kids waiting for the school bus,
    hikers, fisherman, hunters, etc...
    Idaho F&G quit foot dragging, It's time to get the Wolves out of here by any and all means with no restrictions.

     
  • carmann posted at 8:27 am on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    carmann Posts: 28

    some of these people in Idaho don't have brains nor common sense. Their stupidity and ignorance is why their pets get killed....

     
  • carmann posted at 8:25 am on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    carmann Posts: 28

    pay for the loss of irresponsible pet owners? that's absurd. these idiot owners are the reason why their pets get killed. If you don't like living in wild places, time to find a new home. idiots.

     
  • cal007 posted at 8:01 am on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    cal007 Posts: 7

    Finney says that people need to be aware and take precautions. Why didn't you tell that to your own sister??! There is no difference in baiting while hunting and leaving a dog alone, outside, and on a chain! 40 yards away from the house???!!! Over and over there are reports of people losing their dogs to wolves. Wolves behave on instinct...they don't have reasoning or logical thinking like humans do. Yet many, many humans do not use their own!!! Have you NOT heard there are wolves in ID??! How many more of you irresponsible, lazy, uncaring, arrogant, dog owners will basically sacrifice your dogs?! If you can't properly care for a dog, no matter the use of it, don't get one!! What is wrong with you dog owners like this??!!! It IS your fault. So sad for this dog and the others that have been lost to wolves or other wildlife, they should have had smarter, better, responsible owners!!!

     
  • local res posted at 7:51 am on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    local res Posts: 1164

    When will you wolf fools take accountability for your pets actions. Will you pay for the loss of these animals? Whats next from you fools, a press release that says people should not have a dog as it causes the poor wolf to lose control?

     
  • mister d posted at 7:31 am on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    mister d Posts: 1531

    Sounds like a lot of you have no experience living in the country. I spent most of my life living out and there is nothing wrong with chaining up a dog and having his warm home outside.. Silly to attack the owner. she did nothing wrong. Not all dogs are companion animals, on our ranch they were working animals as they are on many ranches. It won't be long until it's a human in the area killed then you can criticize the person for hiking, camping, or whatever. Keep hunting those wolves, they are the problem, not the human.

     
  • allawren posted at 7:12 am on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    allawren Posts: 1

    First of all, dogs should not be chained outside. Period. Dogs are companion animals, and what kind of a life is it if all they know is a small radius in which to move around? No pet should be subjected to the elements, which I'm sure in Idaho, it gets pretty cold. This poor dog was basically just bait for these wolves, that by the way, are not "killing machines", they are wild animals surviving on their instincts to hunt. So in this incident, the poor dog was an easy meal. No one is to blame here except for the ignorant pet owner.

     
  • dakota74 posted at 6:59 am on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    dakota74 Posts: 1

    If you know you live in an area that has wolves, coytees, bears or mountain lions duh people take your pets inside. Don't leave them outside other wise your asking for death on your hands. Its not the dogs fault its yours.

     
  • rio lobo posted at 6:55 am on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    rio lobo Posts: 155

    Ms. Holte is completely oblivious to her role in the death of her family pet. So sorry you were creeped out by it lady. Maybe you won't leave Buckwheat's replacement as tethered bait for the predators in your area.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 6:48 am on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    Total negligence on the dog owners part.. I feel for the dog, not the owner.

     
  • lvretriever posted at 6:15 am on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    lvretriever Posts: 3

    All the more reason to bring your family pet indoors. There should be a law against tethering your dog outside.

     
  • lyric21 posted at 6:02 am on Thu, Jan 19, 2012.

    lyric21 Posts: 115

    The dog was CHAINED?? Collared to a long cable, barely any difference. And it lived in a house with straw bedding, 40 yards from the house. Too bad it at least wasn't loose in a fenced yard, maybe it would have had a chance. And if you live where there could be predators, you need to make sure your pets are safe. Poor dog. Too bad it didn't have an owner that would have protected it,.

     
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