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Wolves still under fire

One wolf season ends, another opens

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Posted: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 12:15 am

COEUR d'ALENE - The 2011-12 wolf hunting seasons in Idaho ended Saturday.

On Sunday, the 2012-13 season opened on private land only in the Panhandle wolf management zone.

Mike Leahy doesn't like it.

The Rocky Mountain director for Defenders of Wildlife said despite eliminating hundreds of wolves in the last year, "Idaho is already ramping up its wolf-killing efforts by allowing wolves to be targeted year-round, bringing them one step closer to declaring open season on wolves statewide."

"Idaho isn't 'managing' wolves, they're just attempting to drive the population down to the federal minimum of 100 to 150 wolves per state," he said in a prepared statement. "No other native animal is intentionally driven down to such artificially low numbers, especially one that Americans have worked so hard to restore. Black bears and mountain lions aren't hunted year-round even though there are far more of them, and wolves shouldn't be either."

The Idaho Department of Fish and Game reported that during the 2011-12 wolf seasons, hunters killed 255 wolves, and trappers 124, for a total of 379 wolves.

Phil Cooper, Idaho Fish and Game regional conservation officer, said people have found wolves are very difficult to hunt and very difficult to trap.

"We certainly want to see numbers reduced," he said.

"We're hopeful that the one year of experience trappers have had will make them a little more proficient at catching wolves."

Wolf hunters may use five tags - one wolf per tag. There is no overall harvest limit in the region.

Cooper said not many hunters got more than a few wolves.

"Individual limits didn't come into play for very many people," he said.

It will take some time to see how actively hunters go after wolves on private land to see if this newest wolf hunting season is a success.

Typically, he said wolves are found on public land, at least in the Panhandle.

Leahy said Idaho's hunting of wolves on private land means that the wolf season is open somewhere in Idaho every day of the year.

"Idaho appears more concerned with catering to anti-wolf extremists who want to get rid of as many wolves as possible than in responsibly managing wildlife," he said. "In doing so, the state is ignoring the vast majority of Americans that want to see responsible wolf management and a healthy wolf population for generations to come."

The wolf hunting season opens throughout the rest of the state on Aug. 30. The wolf trapping season opens Nov. 15 in six wolf zones.

Wolf tags are available for $11.50 for Idaho residents and $31.75 for nonresidents. Hunting licenses and tags are valid for a calendar year; trapping licenses and tags are valid from July 1 through June 30.

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  • IAMWOMAN posted at 11:46 am on Mon, Jul 9, 2012.

    IAMWOMAN Posts: 56

    I had to look it up.

    hydatid disease = tape worm

  • pd1974 posted at 6:57 am on Mon, Jul 9, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    And the only good wolf hunter is one that dies of hydatid disease, let's hope that hydatid disease takes the lives of many many worthless wolf hunters. The more that succumb to hydatid disease, the better.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 11:03 pm on Sun, Jul 8, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Yep, we that dislike woves because we know they are ruthless killing machines are all stupid & poor, per the liberals.
    A communist trying to tell us all what we know & don't, big surprise there, huh?
    And then Mr Christina himself, skippidee, tells us all how we're going to be judged by God.....NOT that he's a Bible following Christina or anything; he's just a Christian who knows how God will judge others....cuz he can make that judgment himself.
    People like him are why I don't subscribe to organized religion; too many people playing God, not enough modesty.
    The best wolf is a dea one, let the hunting season go on, and GREAT luck to all the Brave & Heroic North Idaho Wolf Hunters! Hope you knock off all that your tags will allow!

  • skippadoodoo posted at 10:51 pm on Sun, Jul 8, 2012.

    skippadoodoo Posts: 29

    local thinks it's OK to poach and says the sheriff could care less. The end justifies the means when you live in a cave. Put the camp fire out res and come on outside, it's OK out here. Every study I've ever seen in regards to tolerance of Wolves shows a direct correlation between education, financial resources and tolerance. The curve becomes pretty steep when you are stupid and poor. It's really too bad for Wolves that their prime habitat is also Neanderthal central. Not a good combination when The Big Bad Wolf meets up with Fred & Barney. JoeyIdahokey, I treat all animals with the same consideration and respect. I also treat others (including other animals) as I would want to be treated. I kill only as a last resort to protect myself, my family and my property. When I used to hunt it was for the meat (subsistence) and I was an ethical, fair chase hunter. My conscience is clear and I am ready to meet my maker when that time comes. I'd like to be at the gate when you and res show up. St. Peter will have much to say about the likes of Fred & Barney.

  • pd1974 posted at 4:47 pm on Sun, Jul 8, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    Wolf hunters aren't heroes. They worthless vermin. A good wolf hunter is one that dies from hydatid disease, The more worthless wolf hunters that succumb to hydatid disease, the better! Let's hope that hydatid disease kills many many worthless wolf hunters.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 4:01 pm on Sun, Jul 8, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Anger Management, pd. This subhuman Wolf Killing Hero Hunter is telling you that you need ANGER MANAGEMENT.

    Mange, Parvo, BEST thing that can happen to a Mangy, Smelly, Flea Bitten Rabies INfested Wolf Pack.

  • pd1974 posted at 2:58 pm on Sun, Jul 8, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    You're not human. You're subhuman. A good wolf hunter is one that dies a painful death from hydatid disease.

  • pd1974 posted at 2:57 pm on Sun, Jul 8, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    A wolf hunter that dies of hydatid disease is a good wolf hunter. The more wolf hunters that die of hydatid disease, the better.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 12:22 pm on Sun, Jul 8, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    local res is 100% correct. Shoot a wolf, be a Hero.

    pd's a sweet litle thing; hpes humans die before wolves do, RIGHT up until she needs a hunter to save her sorry behind...and YES wolves do kill for the sport of it, every day.

    Wolf Carcass=Happiness.

  • pd1974 posted at 11:20 am on Sun, Jul 8, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    A good wolf hunter is one that succumbs to hydatid disease. Local res, do the world a favor and shoot yourself, preferably in the face. You worthless subhuman.

  • local res posted at 10:33 am on Sun, Jul 8, 2012.

    local res Posts: 1165

    Hey wolf lovers you have done your best to portray man as a animal so lets go their. Man is an animal just like the wolf. Man like the wolf will do its best to eliminate the wolf another competitor for the right to eat the same big game. That is in the simplest terms of why I and others shoot all wolves that we see. I also do not bother to purchase a tag as I cant see a local jury ever convicting me in court for simply shooting a wolf.

  • Ricks posted at 8:54 am on Sun, Jul 8, 2012.

    Ricks Posts: 20

    that wolves are evil, mangy, flea bitten corrupt ANIMAL

    Irrational and emotional whackjob. Calling wild animals evil just shows how out of touch with nature and reality you really are. Putting human emotions on animals huh joeidaho? You call yourself a christina and yet you make comments like you want wolves to suffer a slow death and you run wolves over with your truck. Can you not see that there is something mentally wrong with you? Wolves are wolves. They are wild animals, nothing more and nothing less. To call wolves evil shows that you are an emotional and irrational whackjob.. Christians get a bad name because of whackjobs like you Joeidaho. Wolves don't kill for "sport". That is a myth. Hunters kill for sport, hence the name "SPORTsmen". Keep on posting your anti-wolf drivel whackjob.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 7:14 am on Sun, Jul 8, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    The REASON that there haven't been many "wolf kills" on humans in the last 100 years is because we came close to eradicating them, genius. Had they been there all along, they'd have been killing people throughtout the time period, as they did BEFORE we wiped them out with Parvo. (Yes I KNOW it's hard for you to grasp the idea that wolves are evil, mangy, flea bitten corrupt ANIMALS).
    And skippy, folks liek you ARE the primary reaosn Christians get such a bad name, you walk around JUDGING other people's Christianity.
    Know who gets to judge, skippy?
    GOD. No other. Especially not you.

    ricky, soem day, you'll be walking in the woods, and the wolves you so love will surround you. You'll be utterly surprised when they get closer & closer, and if you're stuck in the woods, you better make a BIG fire, and stay close to it; or else you'll find out what I know; that they WILL kill you for sport, that they ARE your mortal AND ancestral enemy.
    Your own ignorance is astounding to me.

  • Ricks posted at 5:52 am on Sun, Jul 8, 2012.

    Ricks Posts: 20

    but not a word about the game animals they KILL?

    The hypocrisy, what about ALL of the game animals and wildlife that YOU HUNTERS kill year in and year out? Not ok for the wolf to kill wildlife, but it's perfectly ok for hunters to kill many many wild animals year in and year out and then you have the nerve to whine about wolves killing wildlife. Oh the hypocrisy from you hunters. Hunters kill many many bears, bobcats, foxes, coyotes, deer, elk, etc and yet you people whine when wolves take their fair share of wildlife. The disgusting hypocrisy of you people shows.

  • skippadoodoo posted at 2:01 am on Sun, Jul 8, 2012.

    skippadoodoo Posts: 29

    localres, Wolves kill primarily to eat in order to survive. Nobody eats Wolves, they are killed because of hatred, intolerance, ignorance and arrogance on the part of humans, the most brutal, savage species on this planet. Joeidaho, you're Christian and think that dying of mange is a good thing ? You are a hypocrite! Oh yeah, your Karma comment, more hypocrisy. Cougar appears to advocate SSS which is not only illegal but immoral and unethical. Joe, did you read about Elk calf mortality in the Lolo herds last year? Turns out Bears are #1, weather #2 and coyotes #3. Wolves came in #4 on the list of Elk calf killers, more ignorance and hypocrisy on your part. Hey Joe, what percentage of human hunters are subsistence hunters (as opposed to sport or trophy hunters)? Most folks I know that hunt are Thrill Killers. Anyone killing a Wolf is a Thrill Killer and the only difference between a serial killer (one of the most despised individuals in human society - think Dalhmer) and a Thrill Killer (like you) is the species targeted (Dalhmer liked killing people and dismembering them and you like doing that to Wolves). Finally Joe, two people killed by healthy wild Wolves in North America in the last 110 years. A lady in Alaska in 2010 and a guy in Canada in 2005. That's it! How many Wolves have humans killed in North America in the last 110 years? Millions Joe, MILLIONS! Being ignorant, arrogant and intolerant of what God created is nothing to boast about or be proud of. Idaho now kills Wolves every day of the year. Pregnant females, pups, with helicopters, traps ,snares, guns, poison, bait. Being brutal, barbaric, savage, archaic Neanderthals will come back to haunt you come Judgement Day, mark my words!

  • local res posted at 12:08 am on Sun, Jul 8, 2012.

    local res Posts: 1165

    Why has none of the wolf lovers explained their hypocrisy of killing a wolf but not a word about the game animals they KILL?

  • pd1974 posted at 9:42 pm on Sat, Jul 7, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    Yeah, and hydatid disease will take its lethal course on wolf hunters in years to come. Hydatid disease takes years to finally reveal itself and lets hope it takes many wolf hunters. A good wolf hunter is one that succumbs to hydatid disease.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 8:07 pm on Sat, Jul 7, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    and here's pd, the soft spoken liberal who is always "for the people" stating that it hopes that more PEOPLE expire as a result of a disease since they disagree with her.
    So; if ya disagree with pd, she hopes you die from a disease, like any good liberal would.
    BTW, pd, MANGE is going to take it's LETHAL course on wolves this year....that'll be good.

    Me, I'm a Conservative, Christian perosn, and I hope that pd doesn't die of any disease. She can (hopefully) move out of Idaho, soon, one can only hope.

    You should attend some anger management classes pd, get that thing under control. Wishing death on people has to be bad for the soul....

  • pd1974 posted at 6:23 pm on Sat, Jul 7, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    There's already a few people in Idaho who have hydatid disease. Let's hope it takes out many wolf hunters in years to come.

  • pd1974 posted at 6:19 pm on Sat, Jul 7, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    Wolf hunter that succumbs to hydatid disease=good wolf hunter. The more wolf hunters that succumb to hydatid disease, the better. Wolf hunters are worthless vermin. Joeidaho is a good example. Parvo takes some wolves, but not nearly enough to put a dent in their numbers. Joeidaho is just mad that wolves are back in Idaho and staying put and they will continue to eat deer and elk, YEAR ROUND.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 5:06 pm on Sat, Jul 7, 2012.

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    Cougar, I APPLAUD your post.
    To the rest of you Morons, (CAPitalized), read the top of the storyline:
    And then, the BEST news of all; Parvo, the primary disease that took out most ALL wolves before, is raging again! Thank GOD!
    Talk about Karma.....maybe I won't have to have any of them stuck to the front of my truck after all, nature jus' takin it's course!

  • cougar posted at 11:39 am on Sat, Jul 7, 2012.

    cougar Posts: 230

    This heated debate will continue without any resolve, respect, or understanding on either side.

    The best thing for the sportsman/hunter to do is go about hunting the wolf as law requires or they deem necessary to accomplish their goal, and the wolf activist to keep sitting behind their computers complaining about it's all wrong to be hunting the wolf or any animal.

    To those that threaten hunters, here's an idea. Hunting season (archery) normally starts Aug. 30th and rifle Oct. 10th. If you think you can find someone's hunting camp without getting lost, enter any camp and tell the occupants that you are going to open season on them. Word of advice. You may want to take EMT's with you.

    To the wolf activists.
    You concern yourself with hunters killing wolves, but you don't see the forest because of the trees. The hunters are the least of your worries when it comes to the demise of the wolf.
    ( pd1974 posted at 12:33 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.
    pd1974 Posts: 35

    Wolf hunters are cowards. It gives me great pleasure knowing that many (hopefully) wof hunters will succumb to hydatid disease in the upcoming years.)

    Disease should be your primary concern.
    Check any web on parvo in wolves, or mange in wolves any you will discover once again these two diseases are spreading through the packs. Check the Yellowstone web page on parvo and the number of pups this disease is killing and I thing you will change direction on what is killing off the wolf, again.

    Enough said. Both sides just keep going down your chosen paths and in a few years all of us will see what the verdict will be by (nature taking its course.)

  • MtnMan posted at 11:05 am on Sat, Jul 7, 2012.

    MtnMan Posts: 57

    Well Joe, I guess you showed me huh?

    Not sure what the 82nd Airborne has to do with this woman's story, Nor do I understand how they became experts on wolf habits, But (HOOAHH)

  • Ricks posted at 8:05 am on Sat, Jul 7, 2012.

    Ricks Posts: 20

    Joeidaho, you appear very emotional and irrational when talking about wolves. For you to wish a slow death on an animal and comment that you will run over any wolf you see shows there is something mentally wrong with you. Why are you so hateful and ignorant? Were you abused as a child? Did your mom and dad tell you to respect animals? You clearly are frightened and terrified of wolves.

  • pd1974 posted at 8:00 am on Sat, Jul 7, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    Wolves are back and staying put in Idaho. They will continue to eat elk and deer year round. Joe Patnaude and his wildlife hating ilk LOST.

  • pd1974 posted at 7:58 am on Sat, Jul 7, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    I think the evidence is clear, Joe Patnaude=pathetic LOSER

  • pd1974 posted at 7:57 am on Sat, Jul 7, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    Oh no, the wolves are taking down elk herds. What is wrong with this you pos? NOTHING! It is perfectly natural for wolves to kill elk and despite what you say, you will NEVER stop wolves from killing their natural food source. I have heard of cougars decimating deer populations in areas and there is nothing wrong with this. Cougars eat deer and deer is the cougar's natural prey. You hunters are just angry little crybabies because now elk and deer are harder to hunt. Too dam bad.

  • pd1974 posted at 7:54 am on Sat, Jul 7, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    Joeidaho, you little ignorant crybaby. The fact of the matter is there are over 1000 wolves in Idaho and you wolves are staying put in Idaho and they will continue to eat deer and elk. You can choke on this fact you ignorant crybaby.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 7:14 am on Sat, Jul 7, 2012.

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    pd, yes, you are a Moron.
    Have you EVER heard of a grizzly taking down a HERD of Elk?
    Ever heard of a cougar DECIMATING the deer population in an area?

    Kepp readin' your love stories on wolves, and I'll keep knowing the truth, seeing multiple dead, uneaten elk because of wolves, and shooting as many as the law will allow, while hitting them with my truck anytime the opportunity arises.

    And YES, dimwit, the VAST majority of "wolf lovers" are ALSO hunter haters; which MAKES them liberals, you buffoon.

  • pd1974 posted at 6:02 am on Sat, Jul 7, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    So, I should hate wolves because they are dangerous animals? Gosh, you are a sad moron. Should I hate cougars, grizzlies, etc too because they are dangerous animals? Just because an animal may be dangerous, that is no reason to hate it with a vengeance like you do. Just because someone believes wolves should be in the wild does not make them a liberal you moron. A sane and normal person would not hate an animal just because it eats its natural prey.Wolves were reintroduced you misinformed moron. It's been close to 20years and not one person has been killed in Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, etc. You suffer from little red riding hood syndrome. You are a disgraceful human being Joseph Patnaude

  • pd1974 posted at 5:57 am on Sat, Jul 7, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    Joeidaho, you're a HYPOCRITE. Do you hate grizzly bears as well since they kill for "sport"? Did you read the link I posted about a grizzly bear recently killing alot of sheep in Montana and not really eating any of the sheep? It's not killing for "sport" you uneducated moron. You hate wild animals because they supposedly kill for sport, what is it that you "SPORTSmen" do? You kill a lot of wildlife for sport, yet you have the nerve to whine and moan when wild animals supposedly do it? You HYPOCRITE. grizzlies have been documented for killing animals and not eating them. I guess that must mean grizzlies kill for "sport" just like wolves. You sound like an idiot who has no clue of the reality of the natural world. Wild animals cannot kill for "sport".You are placing terms meant for humans on wild animals who act on raw instinct. If you hate wolves because they kill for sport, then you must hate hunters like yourself. There is no bigger sport kill than the hunter who walks on 2 feet. Ignoramus.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 11:28 pm on Fri, Jul 6, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    You libs are just amazing, eventually my side & yours will hit heads, hard, over what is TRUTH and what is FICTION.

    pd, I hate wolves because they kill deer & elk for SPORT, decimating HERDS of animals and NOT for food. As a lefto, you should have SOME comprehension of what this means, but your brainwashing makes it to where you don't comprehend that the wolves are actually dangeorus animals, instead insisting that they are friendly warm pals who just "do what they do". Your ability to twist logic to the extreme to make your point is absurd, "wolves have been in idaho for 16 years", what a PILE of garbage. The were INTRODUCED 16 years ago, genius, buut took a little while to spread across the entire STATE.
    And pdeed, I think it's FUNNY how you call those with rifles "cowards" when some of them were your ancestors; or did you come here from a Muslim country; full of love & peacefulness preaching Allah & talking bad about us "Indfidels"?

    Fie, when were wolves eradicated? Huh? You don't know, huh?
    MAYBE it was before the indians who raised you (I'll start calling you "stands with fist" now)....were around? Maybe? Hmmm.....

    Do some history searching, Fie.
    EVERY Tribe in America has had bad issues with wolves prior to the real Americans arriving....(go ahead, blow!) LMAOONF.....

    And Fie, I gues you have a kinda different diet than normal people, as not many of us eat grubs & worms, or live fish...but I guess you'd say ANYTHING to justify wolves eating deer & elk ALIVE, while they're still standing.

    Kill a Wolf, Make a Friend.
    Idahoans for More Dead Wolves

    Joseph (P) Idaho

  • fiepie posted at 7:01 pm on Fri, Jul 6, 2012.

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    JoeIdaho...to help eliviate your fear of wolves think of this....the natives, Indians, lived in teepees, used bow and arrow, knifes, lances, etc. as their means to kill animals and to protect themselves from their enemies and most likely some animals.
    The wolves did not kill the Indians off! Why? If the wolves are such man eaters, kill all the livestock, pets, etc. how did the Indian survive?
    I don't recall ever being told they feared the wolf and I was raised by the Blackfoot Reservation and knew many Indians. Some claimed to have been children when Custer went down.
    They talked about the grizzly, elk, deer, antelope, even the coyote but I don't recall any horror stories about wolves.
    I don't think you "hate" wolves but have a suspicion that you have some kind of fear of them.

    As for eating live things...think grubs, worms, fish, and yes, grubs do go better with coke....

  • fiepie posted at 6:46 pm on Fri, Jul 6, 2012.

    fiepie Posts: 3008

    JoeIdaho...even a mouse will attack a person if it is put in the right position.
    I am glad you spend time in the woods but feel bad that you have this idea that you will be attacked by, in this case, wolves.
    It's too bad you have this fear but the best way to overcome it is to leave your gun at home and take a can of spray and take a hike and enjoy the great outdoors.
    It's kinda like being scared of the dark...take a walk in the dark without a light and you find most of your fears are tucked away in your head.
    It's amazing some of the things you see when not looking down the sights of a gun....

  • pd1974 posted at 6:29 pm on Fri, Jul 6, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    My hatred of wolves is for legitimate reason; you are just one of the people who don't comprehend them at all.

    No, it's not. You hate wolves because they kill elk/deer, their natural prey.

    To hate an animal just because it doesn't kill its prey before eating it is absurd.Wolves and other carnivores use their teeth to kill their prey and I doubt they care whether they kill their prey before eating it or not. They are wild carnivores and all they care about is eating. African lions and hyenas are just a few of the many wild carnivores that are known to eat their prey before actually killing it. As for wolves being the only animal that supposedly kills for "sport", that is 100% incorrect.


    Wolves have been in Idaho, Montana, Wyoming for 16 plus years and not one human has been killed by wolves. In Alaska and Canada, there are thousands and thousands of wolves and very few people have been killed by wolves. It is obvious you have an irrational fear and hatred of wolves joeidaho. You do not respect nature. Wolves eating their prey alive is indeed very natural. Lions and hyenas do the same thing. You clearly have no idea about the natural world what so ever. You're an ignoramus. The way wolves kill is very natural and this is the way they have been killing for many thousands of years. Much longer than cowards using their rifles to kill wildlife.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 5:57 pm on Fri, Jul 6, 2012.

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    Fie says:
    "JoeIdaho...again, you did good"
    Fie, when people put up TOTAL falsites, that woves don't attack people, that they are a natural" part of the foodchain, it's EASY to debunk. I just wonder where all the haters went, once I put FACTS in front of them...?

    "People have been killed by wolves"

    "Now...compare the total that you listed, even the ones that are over a hundred years ago, to how many people are killed by pet dogs, in the USA, each year"
    Fie, Lordy, you can't COMPARE an animal that you libs STILL want to consider "endangered" with about a zillion housepet numbers. Come on, be a LITTLE more ingenious, please.

    "Then let's compare how many people are killed and/ or injured by those dreaded deer each year"
    Huh? Deer killing people? Put down the pipe, Fie....

    "Now, when you see the totals between these three are you going to quit killing these bad ol' wolves and start on the family pets?"
    OK, I got it.
    You think that since a dog attacks & kills a human, it should be put down, right? Wow, Fie, I agree.

    "How about all those Bambi's, they sure don't deserve to live with all the injury and killing they do"
    OK, another deadly deer comment, right? (PDTP, Fie...)

    "Then let's compare the wolf's killing humans to the bears killing humans...oh, shoot there we go again. Them blasted wolves have quite a way to go to get caught up ain't it?"
    Yeah, we completely eradicated them (THANK GOD) and now "reintroduced" them, and sure, I'd suppose they have a "ways to go" before their numbers are as high as bears. So what?

    "List to eliminate the animals that kill humans (not quite in order but...) snakes, spiders, misquitoes,
    bears, pet dogs, deer, and lastly but not to be out done....human"
    Your WHOLE attitude will change when they eat your dog, on it's leash, outside your door in Dalton Gardens, Fie.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 5:50 pm on Fri, Jul 6, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Mtnman said:
    "A point that you stress is that they eat their prey "ALIVE" Most predators eat their prey "ALIVE"
    Sir, most animals kill their food, then eat it. A wolf pack will happily tear meat off a living animal while it is living, before they kill it. Very few animals in nature will do this, including humans. What do we eat that is alive when we eat it, Mtn?

    "There are humans who eat their food while it is still "ALIVE"
    Again, what human eats an animal while it's alive & kicking? NONE.

    "That is just something I believe you use as a scare tactic"
    Nope, it's reality.

    "Even my little fluffy kitty eats birds, squirrels, rabbits, "ALIVE"
    Sorry to disagree, you cat will kill a mouse before eating it. The hold it by the neck, and ensure that it's not moving before they take a bite, UNLIKE wolves who will happily tear pieces of meat off of a live elk or deer while it's still standing.

    "So the "ALIVE" point you stress over and over again is really a mute point"
    No, it's factual. Been proven since the middle ages. Hence "Big Bad Wolf".

    "Instead of teaching a 3 year old hate for nature"
    That's YOUR assumption. Not reality. My kids know & have known that woves are vicious, nasty animals that are NATURAL enemies of mankind. They also respect nature, hunt, fish, and grow food. They know the difference between an animal that kills for sport & RUINS entire elk herds & deer stands versus cougars, coyotes, & bears that kill for subsistence, ther IS a difference.

    "(sarcasm follows) why not teach the wolf to shoot its' prey, or perhaps show it how to shop for its' meat at Costco? (end sarcasm)"
    Bettert than that, how about teaching it only kill what it eats? (Bigger sarcasm intended)

    "The story reported by Jeff Humphrey, is just that. It cannot be confirmed or denied. The woman was calling in elk, well sorry to say wolves recognize that call as well. Because the wolf showed up does not mean the wolf would have attacked the woman"
    The point is well made by 82nd Airborne (HOOAHH) that when they lose resepct for humans, they will eat humans. DUH.

    "Even in your documentation it says wolf attacks on humans are "very, very rare" Most of those attacks are done by rabid wolves"
    Why is this?
    Because there hasn't BEEN many wolves arounf TO attack humans. This is changing now.

    "Many of the examples cited are wolf hybrids, these are mostly wolves in captivity that people have taken as pets and cross bred with their house dog spot. They cannot be counted as wolf attacks by wild animals. Dogs attack and kill more humans than wolves have throughout history. Will you now start a campaign to kill every dog on the planet?"
    You read the article wrong. The top part is PURE wolf attacks on humans in the wild. The second part is captive animal attacks.

    "Bear and Cougar have attacked and killed thousands more humans in this nation than wolves"
    Ever so wrong, you are. Before they were (CORRECTLY) eradicate, Indian throughout North America lost people to wolves every year, MANY more than to bears or Cougars. When the white people came, they recognized how dangerous they were & worked for FORTY YEARS to get rid of them.

    "But don't take that as an invitation to wipe them from the face of the earth either"
    Again, read above, bears & cougars never caused the carnage that wolf packs did.

    "Perhaps you should look within yourself to gain an understanding of why it is you have this overpowering hatred of one of God's creatures"
    Perhaps this is why I don't join organized religion, although my family & I deeply believe in God. People like you forming judgment on others & using God as a requisite.
    My hatred of wolves is for legitimate reason; you are just one of the people who don't comprehend them at all.

    "I live in the woods where you claim to have been stalked by wolves. I find it highly suspect whenever I hear these stories"
    So, you live in the woods at 4th of July Pass, huh? There's no private land there, Buddy. All NFS Lands, so where exactly do you live, Mtnman?

    "I have seen the wolf in the wild as well, never once have they made a move towards me"
    So far you've been lucky, ask some of my friends from Alaska if wolves are dangeorus or not....course they wouldn't know cause they're not as "backwoods" as you are right?

    "When they spot me they quickly head the other direction, which has been the norm throughout history"
    I have NO idea where you get this from. They attacked people throughout Europe until Europeans eradicated them, they still attack people in Russia & parts of Asia now, & I just displayed FOR you proof that they do IN FACT attack humans.

    "Man attempting to control nature in any shape or form will always backfire. We will never have the knowledge to make it happen"
    We eradicated wolves & the Elk & deer population soared, we bring them back & they plummet.

    "No matter your feelings towards wolves, I would never wish you any harm by those you hate so strongly"
    Why thank you, and I genuinely hope that no wolf eats you, too.

    "There are many more factors in the thinning herds than wolf kills, Bear, Cougar, hunters, poachers, hard winter kills, lack of food, even accidents"
    Until you have seen the elk that have been wiped out by wolves as I have, withold your judgment. There is NOTHING natural about a pack of wolves taking down a dozen elk, eating a few bites out of each one, decimating a small herd. You & the other "supporters" think this is natural, I know better, and so do a lot of other people in Idaho.

  • fiepie posted at 11:00 am on Fri, Jul 6, 2012.

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    JoeIdaho...again, you did good. People have been killed by wolves. Now...compare the total that you listed, even the ones that are over a hundred years ago, to how many people are killed by pet dogs, in the USA, each year.
    Then let's compare how many people are killed and/ or injured by those dreaded deer each year.

    Now, when you see the totals between these three are you going to quit killing these bad ol' wolves and start on the family pets? How about all those Bambi's, they sure don't deserve to live with all the injury and killing they do.
    Then let's compare the wolf's killing humans to the bears killing humans...oh, shoot there we go again. Them blasted wolves have quite a way to go to get caught up ain't it?

    List to eliminate the animals that kill humans (not quite in order but...) snakes, spiders, misquitoes,
    bears, pet dogs, deer, and lastly but not to be out done....humans.

  • MtnMan posted at 10:19 am on Fri, Jul 6, 2012.

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    Actually the "ALIVE" is a MOOT point.

  • MtnMan posted at 10:17 am on Fri, Jul 6, 2012.

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    Joe I will concede that wolves have killed humans. A point that you stress is that they eat their prey "ALIVE" Most predators eat their prey "ALIVE" There are humans who eat their food while it is still "ALIVE" That is just something I believe you use as a scare tactic. Even my little fluffy kitty eats birds, squirrels, rabbits, "ALIVE"
    So the "ALIVE" point you stress over and over again is really a mute point. Instead of teaching a 3 year old hate for nature, (sarcasm follows) why not teach the wolf to shoot its' prey, or perhaps show it how to shop for its' meat at Costco? (end sarcasm)

    The story reported by Jeff Humphrey, is just that. It cannot be confirmed or denied. The woman was calling in elk, well sorry to say wolves recognize that call as well. Because the wolf showed up does not mean the wolf would have attacked the woman.

    Even in your documentation it says wolf attacks on humans are "very, very rare" Most of those attacks are done by rabid wolves.

    Many of the examples cited are wolf hybrids, these are mostly wolves in captivity that people have taken as pets and cross bred with their house dog spot. They cannot be counted as wolf attacks by wild animals. Dogs attack and kill more humans than wolves have throughout history. Will you now start a campaign to kill every dog on the planet?

    Bear and Cougar have attacked and killed thousands more humans in this nation than wolves. But don't take that as an invitation to wipe them from the face of the earth either.

    Perhaps you should look within yourself to gain an understanding of why it is you have this overpowering hatred of one of God's creatures.

    I live in the woods where you claim to have been stalked by wolves. I find it highly suspect whenever I hear these stories. I have seen the wolf in the wild as well, never once have they made a move towards me. When they spot me they quickly head the other direction, which has been the norm throughout history.

    Man attempting to control nature in any shape or form will always backfire. We will never have the knowledge to make it happen.

    No matter your feelings towards wolves, I would never wish you any harm by those you hate so strongly.

    There are many more factors in the thinning herds than wolf kills, Bear, Cougar, hunters, poachers, hard winter kills, lack of food, even accidents.

  • 82ndVet posted at 7:42 am on Fri, Jul 6, 2012.

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    Right wingers, Left wingers, Democrats, Republicans, Earth Muffins and Sportsmen does it really matter? Fact of the matter is the reintroduction of wolves in idaho has been an experiment gone bad. Change the scene a bit and give your thoughts to the same situation but with a different animal. Am I wrong for collecting a bounty on Rainbow and Lake Trout out of Lake Pend Orielle who are wiping out the Kokaneee population? Still think wolves are not a problem? I have personaly seen their sign and heard them in the woods along the North Fork of the CDA River and it will only be time before an attack on a human will happen. When an animal loses it's fear of man it becomes a nuisance and at a average population growth of 8-12% a year in some areas it only a matter of time.





  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:58 am on Fri, Jul 6, 2012.

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    Here is an article/paper written by a Biologist with DOCUMENTED wolf attacks on humans. Wolves HAVE been attacking & killing humnas for millenia, we are NATURAL enemies. I have been stalked by wolves as recently as 2 months ago, near 4th of July Pass. The idea that they're not aggressive towrds hums is just flat out garbage coming from people who don't know.

    By T. R. Mader, Research Director

    It has been widely discussed whether a healthy wild wolf has ever attacked a human on this continent. In fact, many say such attacks have never occurred in North America.

    History states otherwise. Although attacks on humans are uncommon, they have occurred on this continent, both in the early years of settlement and more recently. Here is one report:

    “NEW ROCKFORD, DAK, March 7 - The news has just reached here that a father and son, living several miles northeast of this city, were destroyed by wolves yesterday. The two unfortunate men started to a haystack some ten rods from the house to shovel a path around the stack when they were surrounded by wolves and literally eaten alive. The horror-stricken mother was standing at the window with a babe in her arms, a spectator to the terrible death of her husband and son, but was unable to aid them. After they had devoured every flesh from the bones of the men, the denizens of the forest attacked the house, but retired to the hills in a short time. Investigation found nothing but the bones of the husband and son. The family name was Olson. Wolves are more numerous and dangerous now than ever before known in North Dakota." (Saint Paul Daily Globe, March 8, 1888)

    Here an account is reported which included an eyewitness and the family name. Some have reasoned the wolves were rabid. That is unlikely as these animals were functioning as a pack. A rabid wolf is a loner. Our research has never found a single historical account of packs of rabid wolves on this continent. Individual animals are the norm. Further, accounts of rabid (hydrophobic) animals were common in that day and were reported as such.

    The winters of 1886-1888 were very harsh. Many western ranchers went broke during these years. The harsh winter could have been a factor in the attack.

    Noted naturalists documented wolf attacks on humans. John James Audubon, of whom the Audubon Society is named, reported an attack involving 2 Negroes. He records that the men were traveling through a part of Kentucky near the Ohio border in winter. Due to the wild animals in the area the men carried axes on their shoulders as a precaution. While traveling through a heavily forested area, they were attacked by a pack of wolves. Using their axes, they attempted to fight off the wolves. Both men were knocked to the ground and severely wounded. One man was killed. The other dropped his axe and escaped up a tree. There he spent the night. The next morning the man climbed down from the tree. The bones of his friend lay scattered on the snow. Three wolves lay dead. He gathered up the axes and returned home with the news of the event. This incident occurred about 1830. (Audubon, J.J., and Bachman, J.; The Quadrupeds of North America, 3 volumes. New York, 1851 - 1854)

    George Bird Grinnell investigated several reported wolf attacks on humans. He dismissed many reports for lack of evidence. Grinnell did verify one attack.

    This occurrence was in northwestern Colorado. An eighteen-year-old girl went out at dusk to bring in some milk cows. She saw a gray wolf on a hill as she went out for the cows. She shouted at the wolf to scare it away and it did not move. She then threw a stone at it to frighten it away. The animal snarled at her shouting and attacked her when she threw the stone at it. The wolf grabbed the girl by the shoulder, threw her to the ground and bit her severely on the arms and legs. She screamed and her brother, who was nearby and armed with a gun, responded to the scene of the attack and killed the wolf. The wolf was a healthy young animal, barely full grown. Grinnell met this girl and examined her. She carried several scars from the attack. This attack occurred in summer about 1881. (Grinnell, G.B.; Trail and Campfire - Wolves and Wolf Nature, New York, 1897)

    In 1942, Michael Dusiak, section foreman for the Canadian Pacific Railway, was attacked by a wolf while patrolling a section of track on a speeder (small 4-wheeled open railroad car). Dusiak relates, "It happened so fast and as it was still very dark, I thought an engine had hit me first. After getting up from out of the snow very quickly, I saw the wolf which was about fifty feet away from me and it was coming towards me, I grabbed the two axes (tools on the speeder), one in each hand and hit the wolf as he jumped at me right in the belly and in doing so lost one axe. Then the wolf started to circle me and got so close to me at times that I hit him with the head of the axe and it was only the wielding of the axe that kept him from me. All this time he was growling and gnashing his teeth. Then he would stop circling me and jump at me and I would hit him with the head of the axe. This happened five times and he kept edging me closer to the woods which was about 70 feet away. We fought this way for about fifteen minutes and I fought to stay out in the open close to the track. I hit him quite often as he came at me very fast and quick and I was trying to hit him a solid blow in the head for I knew if once he got me down it would be my finish. Then in the course of the fight he got me over onto the north side of the track and we fought there for about another ten minutes. Then a west bound train came along travelling about thirty miles an hour and stopped about half a train length west of us and backed up to where we were fighting. The engineer, fireman and brakeman came off the engine armed with picks and other tools, and killed the wolf."

    It should be noted that this wolf was skinned and inspected by an Investigator Crichton, a Conservation Officer. His assessment was that the animal was a young healthy wolf in good condition although it appeared lean. ("A Record of Timber Wolf Attacking a Man," JOURNAL OF MAMMOLOGY, Vol. 28, No. 3, August 1947)

    Common Man Institute, in cooperation with Abundant Wildlife Society of North America, has done extensive research on wolves and their history for several years. We have gathered evidence on wolf attacks which occurred in North America.

    A forester employed by the Province of British Colombia was checking some timber for possible harvest in the 1980s. He was met by a small pack of three wolves. The forester yelled at the wolves to frighten them away. Instead, the wolves came towards him in a threatening manner and he was forced to retreat and climb a nearby tree for safety. The wolves remained at the base of the tree. The forester had a portable radio, but was unable to contact his base, due to distance, until evening. When the call for help came in, two Conservation Officers with the Ministry of Environment were flown to the area by floatplane to rescue the treed forester.

    When the Conservation Officers arrived, the forester was still in the tree and one wolf, the apparent leader of the pack, was still at the base of the tree. The officers, armed with shotguns, shot at the wolf and missed. The wolf ran for cover and then started circling and howling near the two officers. After a couple missed shots, the wolf was finally shot and killed.

    The wolf tested negative for rabies. It appeared healthy in every respect, but was very lean. The Conservation Officers felt the attack was caused by hunger. (Taped Interviews and a photo of the wolf on file at Abundant Wildlife Society of North America.)

    This is but one example from British Colombia. Wolves overran Vancouver Island in the 1980s. Attacks became so common that articles were published in Canadian magazines documenting such attacks. (Copies available upon request.)

    Wolf Attacks on humans have occurred in national parks, too. In August 1987, a sixteen-year-old girl was bitten by a wild wolf in Algonquin Provincial Park in Ontario. The girl was camping in the park with a youth group and shined a flashlight at the wolf. The wolf reacted to the light by biting the girl on the arm. That bite was not hard and due to the thick sweater and sweatshirt the girl was wearing, she sustained two scratch marks on her arm. The wolf was shot by Natural Resources personnel and tested negative for rabies. (Interview with Ron Tozer, Park Naturalist for Algonquin Provincial Park, 7/25/88.)

    Well-known wolf biologist Dr. David Mech took issue with this attack stating it couldn't really be considered an authentic attack since the girl wasn't injured more severely. It was exactly nine years when such an attack would take place.

    Algonquin Provincial Park is one of several areas where people are encouraged to "howl" at the wolves in hopes of a response from the wild wolves in the area. In August, 1996, the Delventhal family of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, were spending a nine-day family vacation in Algonquin and joined a group of Scouts in "howling" at the wolves. They were answered by the howl of a solitary wolf.

    That night the Delventhals decided to sleep out under the stars. Young Zachariah was dreaming when he suddenly felt excruciating pain in his face. A lone wolf had bit him in the face and was dragging him from his sleeping bag. Zach screamed and Tracy, Zach's Mother, raced to his side and picked him up, saturating her thermal shirt with blood from Zach's wounds.

    The wolf stood menacingly less than a yard away. Tracy yelled at her husband, Thom, who leapt from his sleeping bag and charged the wolf. The wolf retreated and then charged at Tracy and Zach. The charges were repeated. Finally the wolf left. Thom turned a flashlight on 11-year-old Zach and gasped "Oh, my God!" "The boy's face had been ripped open. His nose was crushed. Parts of his mouth and right cheek were torn and dangling. Blood gushed from puncture wounds below his eyes, and the lower part of his right ear was missing." Zach was taken to a hospital in Toronto where a plastic surgeon performed four hours of reconstructive surgery. Zach received more than 80 stitches in his face.

    Canadian officials baited the Delventhals' campsite and captured and destroyed a 60-lb wild male wolf. No further attacks have occurred since. (Cook, Kathy; "Night of the Wolf" READER'S DIGEST, July 1997, pp. 114-119.)

    Humans have been attacked by wolves in Alaska. The late David Tobuk carried scars on his face from a wolf attack on him as a small child. The incident occurred around the turn of the century in interior Alaska. David was playing in his village near a river. An old wolf came into the village and bit David in the face and started to carry him off. Other Eskimos saw the wolf dragging the child off and started yelling and screaming. The wolf dropped the child and was shot by an old Eskimo trapper who had a gun. (Interview with Frank Tobuk, brother, Bettles, Alaska, December 1988.)

    Paul Tritt, an Athabascan Indian, was attacked by a lone wolf while working a trap line. Paul was setting a snare, looked up and saw a wolf lunging at him. He threw his arm up in front of his face and it was bitten severely by the wolf. A struggle ensued. Tritt was able to get to his sled, grab a gun and kill the wolf. Nathaniel Frank, a companion, helped Tritt wash the wound with warm water. Frank took Tritt, via dog sled, to Fort Yukon to see a doctor. The arm healed, but Tritt never regained full use of it. Several years later, the arm developed problems and had to be amputated. (Interview with Paul Tritt, Venetie, Alaska, November, 1988)

    Two wolf attacks on humans occurred in 2000.

    Icy Bay, Alaska - Six-year-old John Stenglein and a nine-year-old friend were playing outside his family's trailer at a logging camp when a wild wolf came out of the woods towards the boys. The boys ran and the wolf attacked young Stenglein from the back, biting him on the back and buttocks. Adults, hearing the boy's screams, came and chased the wolf away. The wolf returned a few moments later and was shot. According to Alaska Department of Fish and Game (ADF&G) officials, the wolf was a healthy wild wolf that apparently attacked without provocation. The boy was flown to Yakutat and recieved stitches there for his wounds. Later, however, the bites became infected and the boy had to be hospitalized. (Reports and Interviews on file and available upon request.)

    Vargas Island, British Colombia - University student, Scott Langevin, 23, was on a kayak trip with friends. They camped out on a beach and, about 1 AM, Langevin awoke with something pulling on his sleeping bag. He looked out and came face to face with a wild wolf. Langevin yelled at the wolf and it attacked, biting him on the hand. Langevin attempted to force the wolf toward a nearby campfire, but as he turned, the wolf jumped on his back and started biting him on the back of his head. Friends, hearing his yells, came to his aid and scared the wolf away. Fifty (50) stitches were required to close the wound on Langevin's head. British Colombia Ministry of Enviroment officials speculate the reason for the attack was due to the wolves occasionally being fed by humans although there was no evidence that Langevin or any of his party fed these animals. (Reports and Interviews on file and available upon request.)

    This is but a brief summary of a few verifiable accounts of attacks on humans by healthy wild wolves in North American History.

    Biologists tell us that the wolves of Asia and North America are one and the same species. Wolf attacks are common in many parts of Asia.

    The government of India reported more than 100 deaths attributable to wolves in one year during the eighties. (Associated Press, 1985) This author recalls a news report in 1990 in which Iran reported deaths from attacks by wolves.

    Rashid Jamsheed, a U.S. trained biologist, was the game director for Iran. He wrote a book entitled "Big Game Animals of Iran (Persia)." In it he made several references to wolf attacks on humans. Jamsheed says that for a millennia people have reported wolves attacking and killing humans. In winter, when starving wolves grow bold, they have been known to enter towns and kill people in daylight on the streets. Apparently, in Iran, there are many cases of wolves running off with small children. There is also a story of a mounted and armed policeman (gendarme) being followed by 3 wolves. In time he had to get off his horse to attend to nature’s call, leaving his rifle in the scabbard. A later reconstruction at the scene of the gnawed bones and wolf tracks indicated that the horse had bolted and left the man defenseless, whereupon he was killed and eaten.

    A Russian Linguist, Will Graves, provided our organization with reports of wolves killing Russian people in many areas of that country. Reports indicate some of the wolves were diseased while others appeared healthy. (Reports on file and available upon request.)

    Reports have also come from rural China. The official Zinhua News Agency reported that a peasant woman, Wu Jing, snatched her two daughters from the jaws of a wolf and wrestled with the animal until rescuers arrived. Wu slashed at the wolf with a sickle and it dropped one daughter, but grabbed her sister. It was then Wu wrestled with the animal until herdsmen came and drove the beast away. This incident occurred near Shenyang City, about 380 miles northeast of Beijing. (Chronicle Features, 1992)

    The question arises: "Why so many attacks in Asia and so few in North America?"

    Two factors must be considered:

    1. The Philosophy of Conservation - Our forefathers always believed that they had the right and obligation to protect their livelihoods. Considerable distance was necessary between man and wolf for the wolf to survive.

    2. Firearms - Inexpensive, efficient weapons gave man the upper hand in the protection of his livelihood and for the taking of wolves.

    Milton P. Skinner in his book, “The Yellowstone Nature Book” (published 1924) wrote, "Most of the stories we hear of the ferocity of these animals... come from Europe. There, they are dangerous because they do not fear man, since they are seldom hunted except by the lords of the manor. In America, the wolves are the same kind, but they have found to their bitter cost that practically every man and boy carries a rifle..."

    Skinner was correct. The areas of Asia where wolf attacks occur on humans are the same areas where the people have no firearms or other effective means of predator control.

    But ... "Biologists claim there are no documented cases of healthy wild wolves attacking humans."

    What they really mean is there are no "documented" cases by their criteria which excludes historical accounts. Here's an example.
    Rabid wolves were a frightening experience in the early years due to their size and the seriousness of being bit, especially before a vaccine was developed. The bitten subject usually died a slow, miserable death. There are numerous accounts of rabid wolves and their activities. Early Army forts have medical records of rabid wolves coming into the posts and biting several people before being killed. Most of the people bitten died slow, horrible deaths. Additionally, early historical writings relate personal accounts. This author recalls one historical account telling of a man being tied to a tree and left to die because of his violent behavior with rabies after being bitten by a wolf. Such deaths left profound impressions on eyewitnesses of those events.

    Dr. David Mech, USFWS wolf biologist, states there are no "documented" cases of rabid wolves below the fifty seventh latitude north (near Whitehorse, Yukon Territory). When asked what "documented" meant, he stated, "The head of the wolf must be removed, sent to a lab for testing and found to be rabid."

    Those requirements for documentation negate all historical records!

    As with rabid wolves, the biologist can say, "There are no `documented' cases of wild healthy wolves attacking humans." In order to be "documented" these unreasonable criteria must be met:

    1. The wolf has to be killed, examined and found to be healthy.

    2. It must be proven that the wolf was never kept in captivity in its entire life.

    3. There must be eyewitnesses to the attack.

    4. The person must die from their wounds (bites are generally not considered attacks according to the biologists).

    That is a "documented" attack.

    Such criteria make it very difficult to document any historical account of a wolf attack on a human!

    Biologists assume when a wolf attacks a human, that there must be something wrong with the wolf. It's either been in captivity or it's sick or whatever. They don't examine the evidence in an unbiased manner or use historical tests.

    Historically, there are four reasons for wolf attacks on humans:

    1. Disease such as rabies.

    2. Extreme hunger.

    3. Familiarity/Disposition - This is an either/or situation. Familiarity is the zoo setting, captive wolves, etc. Disposition is a particularly aggressive wolf which may not fear man as most wolves do.

    4. In the heat of the chase and kill - This is where a hiker, trapper or whoever disturbs a fresh chase and kill by wolves. The person walks into the scene only to be attacked by the wolves.

    It is our belief that a predator's fear of man is both instinctive and learned behavior. For example, wolves raised as pets or in zoos are well documented to attack and kill humans.

    Alyshia Berzyck, of Minnesota, was attacked and killed by a wolf on a chain on June 3, 1989. The wolf tore up her kidney, liver and bit a hole through her aorta. One month later, on July 1, 1989, Peter Lemke, 5, lost 12 inches of his intestine and colon and suffered bites to his stomach, neck, legs, arms and back in another wolf attack in Kenyon, Minnesota. (Reports on file and available upon request.)

    Zoos carry abundant records of wolf attacks on people, particularly children. The child climbs the enclosure fence to pet the "dog" and is attacked.

    Zoos and domestic settings are unnatural in that they place man and wolf in close proximity and they become accustomed to each other. Consequently attacks occur.

    Today predator control is very restricted in scope, and as a result, attacks on humans by predators are becoming more common. In recent years, healthy coyotes in Yellowstone Park have attacked humans. Similar attacks have occurred in the National Parks of Canada.

    On January 14, 1991, a healthy mountain lion attacked and killed an eighteen-year-old high school senior, Scott Lancaster, in Idaho Springs, Colorado. The boy was jogging on a jogging path within the city limits of the town when the lion attacked and killed him. (Report on file at Abundant Wildlife Society of North America)


    1. Comox Valley, British Colombia – 1986 - While driving a tractor, Jakob Knopp was followed by three wolves to his barn. They didn't leave, but kept snarling and showing their teeth. Knopp ran to his barn, retreived a rifle and had to shoot two of the three wolves before the third left the area.
    2. George Williams, a retired sailor heard a commotion in his chicken coup one night. Thinking it was raccoons he took his single shot 22 rifle and headed for the coup. He rounded his fishing boat and trailer when a wolf leaped at him. He instinctively reacted with a snap shot with the rifle and dropped the wolf. A second wolf came at him before he could reload and George swung the rifle and struck the wolf across the head, stunning it. George retreated to the house until morning and found the wolf he had shot, the other was gone.

    3. Clarence Lewis was picking berries on a logging road about a mile from Knopp's farm when he faced four wolves. Lewis yelled at them, two left and the other two advanced towards him. He took a branch and took a couple of threatening steps at them. They went into the brush and stayed close to him. Lewis faced the wolves and walked backward for two miles until he reached his car.

    4. Don Hamilton, Conservation Officer at Nanaimo went to investigate a livestock killing by wolves. Wolves had killed a number of sheep in a pasture and Don went out to examine the kills. He came upon the scene and saw a large gray wolf feeding on one of the sheep. The wolf looked at him, growled and started running towards him at full speed. The wolf was over 100 yards away and never broke stride as it approached Don. At approximately 15 feet, Don shot the wolf to stop its attack. Don, who has many years experience with wolves, stated that he was convinced that the wolf was going to attack him because of its growling, snarling and aggressive behavior.

    5. In 1947, a man was hunting cougar on Vancouver Island and was attacked by a pack of seven wolves. The man backed against a tree and shot the leader of the pack. The pack instantly tore the animal to shreds while the hunter made his escape.

    6. Clarence Lindley was reportedly attacked by a 125-pound timber wolf. The incident occurred in early November, 1992 on the Figure 4 Ranch in Dunn County, North Dakota. Lindley was hunting horseback when the wolf attacked Lindley's horse causing it to jump and fall. Lindley was able to grab his saddle gun, a lever action Winchester 94, as the horse fell. The horse recovered its balance and Lindley found himself face to face with a snarling wolf. "My heart was pounding," said Lindley, "I could see those big teeth. He was less than five feet away... He meant business; he wasn't going to back off." Lindley fired his rifle at point blank range and killed the wolf with a shot to the neck. Lindley left the wolf since he couldn't get his horse close to it. On return to his hunting camp, his hunter friends failed to believe the account. They returned to the scene and skinned the wolf. The pelt was a flawless black and gray pelt measuring seven and a half feet from its feet to its snout. Its bottom teeth measured one and a half inches; top teeth - one and a quarter inches. The North Dakota Game and Fish Department (NDGF) confiscated the hide and head of the wolf and took it to the U. S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) for determination of its species. Tests revealed that the wolf was non-rabid. The wolf was thought to have come from Canada. (Reports on file and available upon request.)

    WOLF ATTACKS ON HUMANS (domestic incidents)

    1. In the 1970s, John Harris, a Californian, toured the nation with “tame” wolves to promote public sympathy for preserving wolves. In July, 1975, "Rocky," one of Harris' wolves, attacked a one-year-old girl by biting her in the face. The girl was brought close to the wolf for a picture, an action encouraged by Harris.

    2. In Maryland, a man kept a wolf in his basement and this animal turned and savagely bit and clawed his two-year-old son.

    3. In New York City, a wolf bit a woman as it approached her.

    4. At a zoo in Idaho, a little girl walked up to a cage housing a wolf and reached through the bars to pet the wolf. The wolf bit the arm. The arm had to be amputated.

    5. Mr. Edward Rucciuti, former curator of publications for the New York Zoological Society and author of KILLER ANIMALS, personally witnessed a 12-year-old boy savagely attacked in the Bronx Zoo. This boy climbed a high fence in order to pet the wolves. The wolves (male and 2 females) immediately attacked the boy, ripping at the boy's clothing and flesh. The boy instinctively curled up in a ball, protecting his head, chest and abdomen. He then crawled into the moat in front of the exhibit with the wolves chewing his back and legs. Once the boy made it to the water, the wolves ceased their attack. The boy crawled out of the moat and collapsed. Mr. Rucciuti was amazed that the boy was still alive due to the severity of the bites.

    6. San Diego Zoo (1971) A 15-year-old boy climbed the fence and tried to take a shortcut across the exhibit. He didn't know there were wolves in the exhibit and tried to run when he saw them. The wolves grabbed him by the leg attempting to drag him off. The boy grabbed a tree and hung on. Two bystanders jumped in the enclosure and attacked the wolves with tree branches. The wolves did not attack the two men, but continued to maul the boy. Dragging the boy and swinging their clubs, the boy was pulled out of the enclosure. The wolves in the enclosure were all young animals and it was thought that if the animals were mature, the boy would have died before being rescued.

    7. A few months after the attack on the boy (#6), a man scaled the fence and swung his arms in the exhibit to get the attention of the wolves and got it by being bitten severely on both arms.

    8. 1973 - Another boy tried to cross the same compound and was attacked, a security guard shot and killed one of the wolves, and the other fled as the boy was pulled to safety.

    9. 1975 - Small zoo in Worcester, Massachusetts, a two-year-old lad was savagely bitten on the leg when it slipped through an enclosure opening. The boy's mother and 2 men could not pull the boy free. The wolves did not stop ripping the boy's leg apart until a railroad tie was thrown in the midst of the wolves.

    10. 1978 -- A wolf bit a child in Story, Wyoming. The wolf was penned at a local veterinary clinic for observation. During that time, the wolf escaped its pen and killed a young calf. Wyoming law prohibits the keeping of wild animals as pets, so the animal was shipped to Ohio, where it had come from. The owner of the wolf went to Ohio and brought the wolf back to Wheatland, Wyoming. It was reported the wolf attacked and killed a child in that area shortly thereafter.

    11. September, 1981 - A two-year-old boy was mauled to death by an 80-lb, 3 year-old female wolf in Ft. Wayne, Michigan. The boy wandered within the chain length of the wolf.

    12. August 2, 1986 (Fergus Falls, Minnesota) - A 17-month-old boy reached and grabbed the fencing which kept his father's pet wolves enclosed. One wolf immediately grabbed the boy's hand and bit it off. The mother was at the scene and received lacerations freeing the child from the wolf.

    13. July 1988 (Minnesota Zoo) - A teenage volunteer reached through the wire fence to pet a wolf and was bitten. The wolf was put to sleep and tested for rabies – negative.

    14. May 15, 1989 - 2-year-old Timothy Bajinski was bitten by a wolf hybrid in his mother's Staten Island, New York backyard. Mrs. Bajinski has been charged with keeping a wild animal.

    15. May 1989 - Lucas Wilken was bitten by two wolf hybrids in Adams County, CO (Denver Area).

    16. June 3, 1989 - Three year old Alyshia Berczyk was attacked and killed by a wolf in Forest Lake, Minnesota. The wolf had bitten her severely and had injured her kidneys, liver and bit through her aorta. Alyshia was playing in a backyard when she got too close to the chained wolf that grabbed her dress and pulled her down, attacking her.

    17. July 1, 1989 (Kenyon, Minnesota) - Peter Lemke, age 5, attempted to pet a chained wolf and was attacked. He lost 12 inches of his intestine and colon, suffered a tear in his stomach, and bite wounds on his arms, legs, buttocks and neck. While being life-flighted to the hospital, Pete arrested 3 times but was saved by medical personnel. The Lemkes have incurred over $200,000 in hospital bills. Pete has a colostomy bag, but doctors are hopeful they can re-attach his colon and get it to function normally in later surgeries.

    18. September 3, 1989 - A wolf and a dog entered a corral belonging to Leona Geppfart of Caldwell, ID and attacked a 6-month-old 400-pound Hereford calf. Geppfart attempted to scare the animals away and they turned on her and she retreated to her house. A short time later, a law enforcement officer arrived and as he approached the corral, the wolf lunged at him. The officer stopped the animal with his shotgun.

    NOTE: This list of wolf attacks is by no means exhaustive. They are simply listed to show that attacks have occurred both in the wild and other settings.

    About the Author: T. R. Mader is Research Director of Abundant Wildlife Society of North America, an independent research organization. Mader has researched wolf history for more than 15 years and has traveled over 30,000 miles conducting research and interviews on environmental issues.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:46 am on Fri, Jul 6, 2012.

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    IDAHO Wolf Attack:

    Hunter Becomes The Hunted In Idaho Wolf Attack

    Author: Jeff Humphrey, KXLY4 Reporter , jeffhu@kxly.com

    Published On: Oct 12 2011 05:58:35 AM PDT Updated On: Oct 12 2011 06:58:57 AM PDT



    PIERCE, Idaho -
    A North Idaho grandmother considers herself lucky to be alive after she was able to shoot and kill a wolf as it tried to attack her on a recent hunting trip.

    The wolf snuck up on Rene Anderson late last month near Headquarters, Idaho about 125 miles southeast of Spokane.

    Anderson has a wolf tag but was actually trying to bag an elk that day back in September. She was using a cow call to try and lure in whatever bulls were in the area but was actually ringing the dinner bell for something else.

    "Well I had just made it to the top of the ridge and I was checking the wind to make sure I wasn't going to give myself away," she said.

    Anderson is an experienced hunter who's not afraid of being in the woods alone, but while she was hunting for elk she realized a 100-pound wolf was hunting her.

    "It was coming down pretty fast towards me; it was kind of nerve racking. I laid my bow on the ground and I thought this thing seriously wants to eat me," she said.

    Anderson knew just how much danger she was in because just six days before, wolves had killed three of her best friend's hunting dogs.

    "The first dog I found was Ruby," hunter Shane Richards said. "They didn't try to kill her by getting her by the throat like they say predators do. They just went in and started tearing her guts out, eating her alive."

    After dropping her bow she unholstered her .44 Magnum and opened fire.

    "So it popped up over there, like ten feet from where I was and I shot it and I hit it in the head," Anderson said.

    Wolf sightings have now become common place in north central Idaho and people living in these rural logging towns are getting more and more worried about the safety of their pets and families.

    "And you see a lot of women now, because of this, packing their pistols while taking their kids for walks. You can't leave your kids at bus stops, you've got to watch them every minute," Anderson said.

    The wolf Anderson shot that day is one of 30 killed by hunters in Idaho so far this year.

    While environmentalists worry a wolf population that's still recovering in some areas can't withstand that kind of hit, if you were to ask the residents in Clearwater County, they'd tell you 30 dead wolves is still not enough.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:45 am on Fri, Jul 6, 2012.

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    I'm going to start a school on how to expertly find, stalk, and kill wolves, we'll start with 3rd graders, and teach them the fine art of wolf hunting (and SHOOTING!)

    From MSNBC, the BASTION of Communism:
    ANCHORAGE, Alaska — In a small southwest Alaska village where natives have forever lived side-by-side with wild animals, the fatal mauling of a schoolteacher by wolves has shattered an uneasy co-existence.

    Now, villagers in Chignik Lake say, parents are keeping an extra-close eye on their children and residents make sure to take their rifles and guns when they venture outdoors.

    “It’s scary. People are afraid,” said Virginia Aleck, 66, a village elder. “It’s just something we’re just going to have to adjust to, but the sense of trust with a wild animal is totally going to be different.”

    The death of 32-year-old Candice Berner stunned not only the village of a few dozen residents but also wildlife officials, who say wolf attacks are very, very rare — and fatal attacks, even more so.

    Officials say Berner, a special education teacher who moved to Alaska last summer, was set on by at least two wolves while out for a late-afternoon jog on a road outside Chignik Lake, a fishing village on the Alaska Peninsula, about 475 miles southwest of Anchorage.

    On Monday, state biologists tracked and shot two of the wolves that they believe were responsible.

    “Based on statements of eyewitness observers, observations made at the location of Candice Berner's death, physical characteristics of the two wolves killed, and the proximity of the two wolves to the location of Candice Berner's death, I conclude that it is highly likely that these wolves killed Candice Berner,” state Fish and Game biologist Lem Butler said.
    The animals were to be forensically examined to determine conclusively if their teeth match the bite marks found on Berner's body. Officials also plan to compare DNA samples.

  • Ricks posted at 4:31 am on Fri, Jul 6, 2012.

    Ricks Posts: 20

    saveelk.com? There is a website with unbiased information. Funny little known fact, the person who created and runs saveelk.com is an elk poacher. Yes, it's true. A hunter who claims to want to save elk was found guilty of illegally killing an elk out of season. Save the elk from the wolves, so us hunters can kill them. It's not about saving elk. Tony Mayer and many others who claim they want to save elk really don't. They just want to kill the elk themselves instead of the wolves doing it. Joeidaho aka Joe Patnaude doesn't have kids. Do you think any woman would want to have kids with this maniac who wants to see wild animals suffer slow deaths? Ofcourse not. People like Joe are very sick, so there is no reason to debate with him.

  • MtnMan posted at 10:55 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    MtnMan Posts: 57

    JoeIdaho, please do respond to the question concerning wolves attacking humans. I too have a great interest in knowing this information. And please share your resources. If any do actually exist.

    Joe a little advice, Teach your children HOW to think, not WHAT to think. They will lead much happier lives.

  • AnninIdaho posted at 10:46 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

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    The same wolves live throughout the Greater Northern Rockies Ecosystem. They don't stop at the US/Canadian Border.
    People throw regional names around all the time but there is actually no such thing as a "Canadian Wolf" unless, of course, you are simply referring to a wolf that happens to live in Canada.
    The Species "GRAY WOLF' historically roamed throughout all of North America. The Gray wolf used to be classified into 24 subspecies. A more recent study done by Nowak merged them into just five subspecies, due to a lack of real differences. The subspecies Nowak identified are Arctic, Tundra, Timber, Eastern Timber, and Mexican. The classification "Timber" roamed generally throughout Western Canada and the Western United States. I believe that very recently, scientists have designated the Eastern Timber wolf (MInnesota, WI, MI) a separate species now, instead of a subspecies. Before that, only the Red Wolf of the Southeast United States was considered another species.
    *If it makes you feel any better, JoeIdaho, our elk were imported from Canada too :D

  • local res posted at 10:42 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    local res Posts: 1165

    Perhaps you should just go to this website for a greater understanding of the wolf.

  • AnninIdaho posted at 10:33 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    AnninIdaho Posts: 77

    The attitudes and beliefs some people have towards wolves has not evolved past
    the dark ages. Unfortunately for the wolves, those same people and their rich
    organizations are running our state right now.

    Its time that we look towards science and strive for environmental health when
    making management decisions regarding wildlife.

  • kathyswoofer posted at 9:12 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    kathyswoofer Posts: 45

    You know, I have had "discussions" with JoeIdaho on here before, on the same subject., and unfortunately, you can't win with him. He has an answer for every statement made. And I'm not saying he's right by what he says, not by a longshot.

    You notice he talks about wolves killing people, although there are several more people kills made by cougars and grizzly bears. Does he mention that?? No, and why. Because he is so hiased against wolves, he doesn't care about facts. His world is fictional, reality is only what he wants to believe.

    It is sad there are so many people in the Northwest that don't like wolves. But I have seen in this discussion area alot of people who are against the wolf hunting and trapping, besides me, and I applaud all of you for having the courage to stand up and say this is wrong. Wolves were here first, and humans trespassed on them and the other wildlife making their habitats harder and harder to find. No wonder deer and moose have been seen in cities, because they have no where else to go. How many deer, elk, and moose are killed on highways on a daily basis? Civilization has destroyed much of the land these animals live on.

    There is going to be a program about wolves on the DISCOVER channel this Saturday (please check local listings for the time). I think it would be a good program for everyone to watch.

    Wolves are so important to our ecosystem. I feel bad for JoeIdaho's children to have to learn to hate wolves as much as their father, and can't have the opportunity to decide for themselves how to feel about wolves. If they could research them without a negative influence, they could decide for themselves whether to hunt them or not, instead of being "taught how to hunt and kill wolves."

  • fiepie posted at 6:17 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

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    That's not true statements, JoeIdaho.
    How many people, documented, have been killed by wolves in this country? In Canada?
    Why did the humans kill the wolves..... bounty per hide. Used the pelts for the parka hoods.
    Got decent bounty for jack rabbits also....

  • Vestal Lady posted at 6:11 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    Vestal Lady Posts: 1

    Leave the wolves alone. They only kill to survive and feed their young, unlike man who kills for pleasure, vengeance, trophy's and the thrill of it. Wolves inhabited this country long before the white men did and should be allowed to live here again. It's man and his destructive actions that are destroying this world. Cattlemen are compensated for cattle killed by wolves, and wolves only hunt animals that are weak or elderly, which should leave enough trophy deer and elk for the sadistic jerks that kill them strictly for the head. Stop letting the cattlemen and wolf haters run your state and let the average citizens speak up.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 5:33 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

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    WHY people did the HUMANS kill off the wolves, was it for their pelts?
    Oh? Really>? Because the wolves ate the livestock and DID NOT fear humans?
    Oh, and they'd kill humans, too?

    Notice how ALL of the pro wolf people are.......LIBERALS.
    They're ANTI-hunter.
    They're PRO Boobama.
    They're poison to America.

  • 82ndVet posted at 4:02 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    82ndVet Posts: 6

    Bunch of babble! yes the wolves are a problem. I'm a Vet, Love my country and am an avid sportsman who loves to hunt and fish. Every year I hunt and I see wolf sign and hear them going off at night. I moved here in 1993 and used to see deer and elk all the time. Now I see more moose than anything even though I still manage to fill me tags as hard as it is. "Not Rich" I counted 70 plus elk a few weeks before Memorial Day at the Cedar Grove Ranch. Most I have seen in a long time. I would like to see a balance of nature if it will ever happen between everything but when you have an animal at the top of the food chain who is not afraid of anything there will more than likely not be that balance so as long as ther is an open season on wolves i'll try my best to tag and bag em' I eat the deer and elk. Maybe if wolves tasted like chicken I'd eat them too!

  • ravenbran posted at 4:00 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

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    A majority of Idahoans do not hunt and do not want to see wolves driven to extinction, but they have no say in wildlife management, which is controlled solely by those who hate wolves.

  • fiepie posted at 3:49 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

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    JoeIdaho...I appreciate the article you submitted. However, I have to disagree with some of what it says.
    We are pretty fortunate that we live in the age of the computer or we would have to spend more time reading books, studying, etc.
    The "Canadian" Grey wolf is the same as what we had, have in this area, Washington, Idaho, Montana, etc.
    Years ago, before there was a line drawn on maps called "border", all species traveled where they wanted, followed the game, dependant on their food supply and never worried whether they were called "Canadian" or any other name.
    They were the North American wolf.
    There is a lot of information on the computer as this wolf is probrably one of the most studied animal in our parts.
    I have come across bear kills, wolf kills, mountain lion, etc. If you spend a reasonable amount of time out in the woods you will find these kills.
    Almost all the kills I have found have been visited by other animals, i.e. a bear kill may have had a wolverine, cougar, wolf or a number of other animals visit it. It's food.
    Most of the wild animals would rather take over another's kill as there is a better chance of getting hurt, injured, killed, and maybe going hungry when they have to do their own killing.
    The wolves that I have been fortunate to have seen seem curious, have followed me or tagged along off to one side or the other but also seem shy as they tend to stand off a bit.
    I have had mountain lions and bears get within a very short distance to myself and had some worries as to what their intentions were but have never been mauled, attacked, etc.
    There is a place for wolves just as there is for deer, elk and the other species.
    Nice thing about predators is they will not eat themselves out of house and home. As their food supplies decrease so do their offspring.
    They tend to have less young when eating is a longer spell between meals.
    Most of our game populations are hurt more by heavy snow, late spring cold spells, stuff like that.
    That's why in the sixties the game around the middle fork and south fork of the Flathead became scarcer, more hunters, less off spring.
    Herds will fluctuate so will the packs of wolves, coyotes and even mountain lions.
    Enjoy the woods. Great place to spend time and watch wildlife interact.

  • pd1974 posted at 12:37 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

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    The only good wolf hunter is one that succumbs to hydatid disease.

  • pd1974 posted at 12:33 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    Wolf hunters are cowards. It gives me great pleasure knowing that many (hopefully) wof hunters will succumb to hydatid disease in the upcoming years.

  • Ricks posted at 12:27 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    Ricks Posts: 20

    Joe Patnaude aka joeidaho, show everyone what an emotional whackjob you are. Tell everyone how you think wolves are terrorists. Whackjob Joe Patnaude must be neglecting to take his meds that his psychiatrist prescribed for him.

  • Ricks posted at 12:25 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    Ricks Posts: 20

    Whackjob Joe Patpaude thinks he's normal. Joe Patnaude is a whackjob that appears to be missing a few brain cells. Wolves in Idaho aren't going anywhere and they will continue to eat elk and deer. The crybaby whackjobs like Joe Patnaude don't like this.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 12:02 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

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    Faced with facts, Ricks responds with "well, they're not as big as you think"....yeah, and they only run in packs of 12+ animals.

    The only people who want wolves are the ones who never go into the wilderness. Once they comprehend that woves eat people, they change their minds.

    Meanwhile, us normal people will keep shooting them, wholesale, until (hopefully) they're extinct.

  • Ricks posted at 11:24 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    Ricks Posts: 20

    You should really read some of the comments that joeidaho AKA Joe Patnaude has posted about wolves. Talk about an emotional and obviously mentally deranged whackjob.

  • whatever123 posted at 11:16 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

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    "This whole notion of managing nature is utter nonsense spawned by arrogance."

    Is this how you feel about 'global warm er I mean climate change' (when it wasn't getting warmer the $$$$ grubbers had to change from global warming to climate change) too? bet not....

  • Ricks posted at 11:12 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    Ricks Posts: 20

    I agree 100% with everything you said pd. Joeidaho AKA Joe Patnaude is whackjob that needs help. Joe Patnaude, you can post as much anti-wolf drivel as you want whackjob.

    Rumors of 150-pound wolves abound in the Idaho Panhandle, but most of the wolves taken by hunters are much smaller.

    Adult females averaged 86 pounds, according to Idaho Department of Fish and Game officials, who also included the weights of wolves struck by vehicles in the survey. For adult males, 101 pounds was the average.

    The exception was a 130-pound adult male killed in Boundary County that was weighed after its stomach had been removed.

    It’s not surprising that wolf weights get exaggerated, said Jim Hayden, Fish and Game’s regional wildlife manager in Coeur d’Alene.

    “They look huge,” he said. “They’ve got long legs, big heads and lots of fur.”

    Wolves have 2- to 4-inch-long guard hairs around their necks, reinforcing the impression of a bulky body, said Jason Husseman, a Fish and Game wolf biologist in Salmon, Idaho. People see wolves, compare them to their dogs, and estimate that the wolves weigh 150 pounds.

    “It’s a human tendency to overestimate. You see the same thing with bear sightings,” Husseman said.

    In actuality, wolves have the lean, rangy build of distance runners – an adaption that helps them chase down prey, he said.

    Some opponents of wolf reintroduction claim that the Canadian gray wolves released in Yellowstone National Park and central Idaho in the mid-1990s are a larger, more aggressive subspecies than native wolves, which were extinct by the 1930s. Biologists say there’s little or no evidence to back up that assertion.

    “I’m curious that they throw out those numbers – that the Canadian wolves are 50 to 100 pounds bigger than the native Idaho wolves,” Husseman said. “I don’t know where those numbers come from.”

    Hayden said the most authoritative research on wolf subspecies comes from a former U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service zoologist, Ronald Nowak, who studied 580 historic skulls of full-grown male wolves. Nowak concluded that North America had five subspecies of gray wolves. Two subspecies had historic ranges in Idaho – the Rocky Mountain wolf and the Great Plains wolf.

    The Rocky Mountain subspecies outweighed the Great Plains wolf by about 20 pounds, Hayden said. But their ranges overlapped in the Idaho Panhandle, according to Nowak’s research.

    “Realistically, there’s no difference between the subspecies. They interbreed,” Hayden said.

    In addition, “we’ve got wolves that are walking here from Canada,” he said. “They’re the same species that would have been here in the past.”

  • frances posted at 10:57 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    frances Posts: 3

    joeidaho what are you on boy.what the has france got to do with this .i think you should go back to school and this time get an education wolves eating deer and elks is not the problem thats what animals do what do you expect them to do walk into walmart and get some shopping? dont be so ridiculous its like so called hunters that are slaughtering for sport what kind of sportsmen are they anyway when they have to use guns traps thats not sport its all onesided good sportsmen wouldnt want that man or mouse

  • JoeIdaho posted at 10:33 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

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    And "Ricks"....
    You said:
    "I check out cdapress wolf related articles often and when I do, you're sure to see this whackjob joeidaho post his anti-wolf drivel"
    That's because you're a "wolf lover". Hope I see one & hit it with my truck today.

    " I suspect joeidaho is a loser in real life"
    Probably 10X as successful as you have been in your wildest dreams.

    "has no wife"
    Married with Children that I teach how to kill wolves.

    "and probably has no friends"
    Almost too many friends, all of them disagree with you.

    "and most definitely lives in a trailer park"...
    Nope but did live in a trailer when I was a kid. Does this mean that all people who live or lived in trailer parks are garbage; Rick; or is that just your liberal bias (for equality) seeping through?
    OOPS! Another liberal hypocrite comes into the light....

  • Wild Wolves posted at 10:30 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    Wild Wolves Posts: 1

    Idaho management of wolves is CRAZY and should not be allowed. Wolves should have rights to live life with their families and not have to worry about being hunted and gunned down. Wolves do keep the balance in nature and they should have rights even if they do not have voices. Wolves are only trying to live and support the families. Living in the wild is a hard job and they do not need humans making any harder for them. Leave Wolves along and let them be the way they are supose to be, Wild in Nature !!!

  • PS posted at 10:29 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    PS Posts: 1

    This makes no sense. Idaho isn't 'managing' wolves, it is just attempting to drive the population down to the federal minimum of 100 to 150 wolves per state...No other native animal is intentionally driven down to such artificially low numbers, especially one that Americans have worked so hard to restore. Black bears and mountain lions aren't hunted year-round even though there are far more of them, and wolves shouldn't be either.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 10:23 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

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    Wolf Lovers are mentally defective, they don't have a clue how wolves actually operate, or what they do.
    Yes, there are MAJOR differences between the woves INTRODUCED to this region from the ones who were NATIVE.

    In response to your questions regarding the great disparity in levels of wolf depredation between our former Resident Wolves and the introduced Canadian Grey Wolf, let me attempt to clarify some of the historical issues that surround the work done by several counties in Idaho to document the Resident Wolves in the late 1980′s. Starting in the early 1980′s attempts were being made by several Wildlife Agencies including Idaho Fish and Game and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Services to locate and monitor large predator species that were considered “threatened” or “endangered.”

    A program was started to send questionnaires to trappers and hunters asking for help in locating these animals, and signs were posted in public offices around the state seeking input from the public to determine if any of these species remained in the state, and if so how many individuals were there. These programs came to be known as “The Wolf and Wolverine Hot Lines.” In reality there was a phone number to call that put you in contact with members of Idaho Fish and Game who would take the details of the public’s sightings of these rare animals. It was in response to these efforts that counties in Central Idaho began to respond by sending correspondence and sightings to the Agencies involved.

    As the years passed in the 1980′s a significant amount of data was collected by trappers, hunters, and Fish and Game officers to warrant full time research and monitoring of these species. As criterion to use for observing these species county residents were asked to look for numbers of individuals: age, size of territory, and behavioral qualities such as secretiveness and recruitment numbers of young etc.

    During approximately eleven years time (1984-1995), much data using these criteria for observing Resident Wolves was collected and maps of the wolves territories and packs were created. During these years of observation, very consistent and definitive behavioral and social traits became evident as this variety of wolf was observed. These traits would become all important in determining what the habitat and prey base this variety of wolf would require, and the impacts it would have on our ungulate populations. A very important contribution to our ability to compare our variety of wolf to the introduced Canadian Grey Wolf was also a result of these years of observing the Pre-Introduction Resident Wolves in their preferred habitats.

    I will list the criterion used by the individuals involved in collecting data on the Pre-Introduction Resident
    Wolves, and then I will give a brief comparison to the same criterion as observed by all of us in the field as particular to the Canadian Grey Wolf. Remember that really the most important issue to all of us now is the resulting impacts to our fragile ecosystems of one variety of wolf as compared to the other and its portent when deciding on effective wolf control measures.


    * Highly secretive behavior. Very sensitive to roads and highways. Largely nocturnal.
    * Usually found either as dispersed individuals or pairs.
    * Packing activity was very rare except during the months of January-February.
    * Pack size at breeding time was usually 4-7 individuals.
    * Females retained pups for an average of 18 months.
    * Pack dispersal was very consistent after breeding season.
    * Litter size consistently was 1-3 pups. Bred at 2-year old stage.
    * Extremely selective as to food source. Rarely fed on old carcasses or kills of other species, except in the most harsh winter conditions.
    * Very much an opportunist when different prey was available. Spent great percentage of hunting effort on rodent acquisition, (moles to rabbits).
    * Sport-Reflex Killing almost negligible. Most ungulate depredation was consumptive, not surplus. Typical kill had hams and shoulders consumed.
    * Territory of individual or pairs was quite large. Average 2 week return cycle.
    * Wolf body size: Female 55 lbs.-70 lbs. Male 85 lbs.-105 lbs.
    * Competition with other predator species including coyote and fox was low. Other canine species co-existed and thrived in presence of Resident Wolves.
    * Habitat utilized consistently: Mid to high elevation, with forest and mixed forest. Resident Wolves were very resistive to utilizing large areas of open range land with grass or sagebrush cover.
    * Older mature males almost always solitary except at breeding intervals.
    * Conflict with domestic dogs very minimal except in rare cases.
    * Livestock depredations extremely rare but do occur in remote areas.
    * Consistent avoidance of man made structures, roads, vehicles, and humans.

    NOTE: This data as well as maps locating individual wolves, as well as breeding pairs was hand delivered to Craig Groves in 1992, and entered into the Idaho Fish and Game’s Conservation Data Base by George Stephens.

    Craig Groves was at the time in charge of oversight of the Conservation Data Base for Idaho Fish and Game, and was an Idaho Fish and Game employee.

    NON NATIVE WOLF Observed Criterion: Introduced Canadian Grey Wolf, 1996 to present.

    * Exhibits low level of fear of humans. Non-secretive behavior. Minimal avoidance of humans, vehicles, domestic animals. Will cross large open terrain at will even when other options for cover are available.
    * Canadian Grey Wolf is found in small to very large pack sizes. Small packs of 5 individuals are common as are large packs with over 20 members.
    * Pack merging, the condition of 2 or more packs combining is being observed in many areas in the west and is not uncommon. Merged packs of over 40 wolves have been observed in the Central Idaho Wilderness.
    * Females can be bred even at 1-year of age, and produce from 5-9 pups per season. The pups usually remain with the pack but can disperse or be driven off by other pack members.
    * All females of breeding potential in the pack are usually bred. There is absolutely no indication that any females are kept from breeding by the theoretical “Alpha-female.” Large packs are quickly produced and can disperse and merge several times within a week.
    * Canadian Grey Wolves show a diet preference for elk but will switch at will to a secondary prey species. Low preference is shown for rodent species, but wolves do sporadically hunt rodents.
    * Sport-Reflex Killing is highly developed in Canadian Grey packs. From observations in the field, 3-5 ungulates are killed for each ungulate consumed. This surplus killing is greatly increased if the pack size is large or packs have merged. Often small wintering herds of deer or elk are completely extirpated in one hunting event.
    * Body Size: Females 60 lbs.-85 lbs. Males 90 lbs.-120 lbs.
    * Competition with other predatory species is extreme and often fatal. Both mountain lion and bear have been impacted by attacks and from reduced available prey. Other Canines such as Coyotes and Fox have been severely impacted in most of their habitats. Fox are only able to survive in habitats that include lots of willow or dense underbrush. Coyote populations have been reduced by are persisting at lower than historic levels.
    * Canadian Grey Wolves have been found to utilize all available habitats, from high elevation alpine to sagebrush deserts. This has allowed this variety of wolf to be opportunistic in all ecosystems available to it.
    * Large mature male wolves remain with the pack threw out the year, sometimes dispersing for short periods of time.
    * The Canadian Grey Wolf is highly predatory on all domestic canines. Hunting hounds are especially vulnerable to attacks and are usually killed outright in a confrontation by wolves.
    * Canadian Grey Wolves have shown a preference for predating on domestic livestock even with abundant natural prey present. Beef calves are the most common victims of wolf depredation.
    * Canadian Grey Wolves show a high level of habituation to humans, and man-made structures. It is not uncommon to find Canadian Grey Wolves in very remote areas eating out of dog dishes and coming onto porches of homes when the owners are present.

    It is clear from a comparison of the two varieties of wolves that control efforts will have to take into account the realities of dealing with a wolf as different as the Canadian Grey Wolf is from wolves found in other parts of the continent. Both the high fecundity of the Canadian Grey Wolf and its depredating qualities ensures that control efforts will have to be highly organized and long term if we are to protect our magnificent wildlife from the debacle that is ongoing in Canada and in our western states.

    Mrs. XXXXX, I will not in this email go into the fraud and corruption that brought us to this wildlife disaster, but suffice it to say that had the Federal Agencies not been corrupt in dealing with the information given them by Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming citizens we would by now have had a recovered Resident wolf population that would still need to be managed, but we would not have what we have now with the very existence of our ungulates hanging in the balance, and wolf borne diseases threatening our way of life. If possible and time permits I will fill you in later on how our investigation turned out, and who
    was responsible for purging our maps and data from the Conservation Data Base, and carrying out the introduction of the Canadian Grey Wolf, in direct violation of the Endangered Species Act. It is a very tragic story, but God willing we will turn this around!

    Yours, Mr. Kemery

    Tim Kemery is a professional trapper and did the mapping work for the IDFG Wolverine Study. He also mapped the Pre-Introduction Resident Wolves, and hand-delivered those maps of 18 resident wolves to Craig Groves at IDFG, Conservation Data Base, then the Heritage Center. Tim Kemery graduated from the U of I with a B.S. in Range Science in 1982

  • DCBWolfwatcher posted at 9:59 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    DCBWolfwatcher Posts: 1

    The nature of calculating wolf populations is not an exact science; current wolf population numbers are merely estimates and not confirmed data. Scientific studies show that human killing of wolves is associated with an increase in total overall wolf mortality; wolf populations will ultimately decline to dangerously low numbers due to this fact. The altered pack structure that results from human-caused mortality is a significant concern because it results in ADDITIONAL wolf population losses beyond the mere numbers of wolves directly killed by humans. The effects of both the loss of the wolves planned or expected to be killed by humans directly – plus an increment of additional wolf population loss that will result from reduced breeding and survival due to the altered pack structure - has been inappropriately discounted in future wolf population estimates by Idaho’s F&G.

    The Recovery Plan’s target is 150 wolves/ ten packs, and based on what I have witnessed thus far, I have no reason to believe wolf numbers will not be driven to the very brink of this artificial target quota. It also appears Idaho still seeks to further reduce the numbers of wolves in the state using measures that some may consider unconventional and even highly controversial (i.e.: trapping, snaring, electronic calls, baiting and lures, poisoning, aerial gunning, etc.)

    I feel these measures will not ensure sustainable wolf populations as required by USFWS and federal law. I have joined the growing number of citizens who will advocate for and support relisting the wolf as an endangered species because of these facts.

    National Wolfwatcher Coalition

  • Ricks posted at 9:56 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    Ricks Posts: 20

    I check out cdapress wolf related articles often and when I do, you're sure to see this whackjob joeidaho post his anti-wolf drivel. I suspect joeidaho is a loser in real life, has no wife and probably has no friends and most definitely lives in a trailer park...

  • pd1974 posted at 9:50 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    Wolves need to die, all of them. BEST thing for North Idaho is that every wolf here dies a slow painful death

    Are you seeing a psychiatrist and are you on any meds? There is something definitely wrong with you. Were you abused as a child and did you torture animals when you were a small kid?

  • pd1974 posted at 9:44 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    "canadian" gray wolves??? You are the typical dumb misinformed redneck filth joeidaho. People like you joe are not heroes. You're not only cowards, you're worthless redneck filth.

  • realist31 posted at 9:41 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    realist31 Posts: 1

    I am from this area, and have never talked to anyone who has actually seen a wolf, let alone been threatened or attacked, all predators hunt in a manner that could be called "cruel", however humans are the only beings capable of premeditated cruelty, as properly defined. The reports of wolves over hunting are highly exaggerated, and the actual numbers of attacks on domestic animals is lower than the numbers of attacks by stray dogs, you should do a little research. Wolves don't hunt humans, there where millions of wolves here before the settlers exterminated them, and they existed peacefully alongside the native indian people, it is our european ancestors who created a problem. The actual number of wild wolves in the US is less than 5000, not 50,000 as one commenter claimed, again, do some research, you sound sadly uneducated. There are more wolves in Europe now than in the US, and they have very little problems with them in most areas where people are properly informed, try using a flock guarding dog, like an Anatolian shepherd, or another dog bred for guarding, like they do in other countries, I have one, they do there job quite well. Educate yourselves.

  • pd1974 posted at 9:40 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    According to joe, wolves are bad animals simply because they eat deer and elk and he wants wolves to suffer slow deaths. It's clear that there is something mentally wrong in Joeidaho's head. Seek some help you trigger happy redneck filth.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 8:53 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    frances, you are as confused as "France".
    So; the "food chain" involves eating deer & elk ALIVE, for sport, huh? I gues the "food chain" didn't invlove this UNTIL we humans felt the NEED to install wolves bacin INTO the food chain.
    Back when settlers came here, wolves ate them. That's why they weer eradicated. WE were under wolves in the food chain.
    HUNTERS are HEROES. Anti-hunters are MORONS.
    The country is screaming for help from the communists that want desperately to make America into a socialist LOSER nation like...france.

  • frances posted at 7:44 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    frances Posts: 3

    why are you harping on about the elk etc which are killed by the wolves yhey have to eat the word food chain springs to mind.its you sadists who just want to inflict barbaric pain thats the concern you seriously cant call yourselves "hunters".the problem is we all have to eat animals included .its the idea of killing for the thrill and the mocking which you all do thats not human its downright immoral .its a pity that you all enjoy doing this when other abusers are violating your country women and everything else it shows what kind of people you all are when you concern yourself with wolves when your country is screaming for help

  • JoeIdaho posted at 7:06 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    fie, I am in the mountains a lot more than you will ever be. As in most days.
    Last week I saw (4) dead Elk up above Avery, all of them had their insides eaten, and were wolf kills. I hiked to where they were, close to 6 miles (up). You're the lost one, as you talk w/no knowledge of the situation, just like any liberal would.

  • local res posted at 7:00 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    local res Posts: 1165

    Wolf lovers are hypocrites. You complain here about the statements of some peoples desire for slow painful deaths of a wolf. But you fail to mention one word concerning the slow painful deaths that take place every time a wolf KILLS a deer, elk, moose or even a coyote.

    AnninIdaho your statement of " almost genetically indistinguishable from our own beloved house-dogs" shows your ignorance as the wolf and the common house-dog are two genetically different animals.

    You wolf lovers further show hypocrisy with statements such as " Here's hoping that joeidaho is mauled by a pack of hungry wolves" and " Joeidaho, walk in front of a big truck you subhuman."
    all along you wolf livers have been saying that humans have nothing to fear from the wolf. Unfortunately, it appears that the same can not be said of those who love the wolf. Perhaps you wolf lovers should move into the woods to live with your brother the wolf. Just ask the wolf if they will allow you into the pack.

  • fiepie posted at 6:51 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    fiepie Posts: 3008

    JoeIdaho...put your video game down, get a can of pepperspray and take a hike up in the mountains.
    Surprising what you see. There are real live animals out there. Course it helps to get off your four wheeler or out of your truck, but even that way you stand a chance.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:51 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    You liberals are all hypocrites. Every one of you.
    I WONDER where you are when a pack of wolves eat a deer alive, or when they take down 13 elk in an area, not for food, but because they can. Oh, you think that's "part of nature"?

    "Psychopathic" is when you have an excellent Elk & Deer population, then you introduce spectacularly bad animals to it that eat the deer & elk ALIVE, and complain that the killers need to be a "protected species" while they're eating people's dogs in residential backyards.

    Why NOT introduce CANADIAN Gray wolves to Chicago & LA? Know who doesn't know squat about wolves? The wolf lovers here, on this board. You're not hunters, you never see them in the wold, and you never see the damage they do. VERY fortunately, Idaho Fish & Game do undertsand the issue, and they say KILL THE WOLVES. I say wipe them out, all of them, quick as you can.

  • pd1974 posted at 5:57 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    Well said exclamation. Gimme a stick too.

  • pd1974 posted at 5:55 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    Wolves need to die, all of them. BEST thing for North Idaho is that every wolf here dies a slow painful death

    I still see Idaho has it's fair share of psychopaths who hate wildlife. Joeidaho, walk in front of a big truck you subhuman.

  • pd1974 posted at 5:54 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    Here's hoping that joeidaho is mauled by a pack of hungry wolves. Michael Vick is joeidaho's hero.

  • frances posted at 2:06 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    frances Posts: 3

    this is just so typical you have hunters who say wolves have to be managed and this page just proves everyones point that they have no intelligence at all. To subject the cruelty which has been commented on just says it all it is not to manage wolves but to cause pain and abuse to your wildlife.if you want to do this why dont you deal with the 2 legged abusers that are causing havoc in your country pick on people who are ripping your country apart as you no longer can say america the great the abuse and barbaric nature now puts you well ahead of the scum of the earth which really is nothing to be proud of

  • AnninIdaho posted at 12:44 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.

    AnninIdaho Posts: 77

    JoeIdaho , with your comment of "BEST thing for North Idaho is that every wolf here dies a slow painful death" I'd have to say you're worse than Michael Vick.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 11:01 pm on Wed, Jul 4, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Also, saw a group of idiots today at the parade in CDA, the kootenai county demorats. WHAT a group of imbeciles, they don't know where they are at, much less what they're doing.
    "Reelect Boobama, he's done SUCH a great job with the economy".
    Now that's bright. As bright as a demorat....

  • JoeIdaho posted at 10:59 pm on Wed, Jul 4, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Hope everyone in Idaho shoots at LEAST 4 wolves this year. Use big guns, don't miss.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 10:58 pm on Wed, Jul 4, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Wow look at all the communists on here tonight.....I gues the 4th deosn't do anythign for you all since you're all Maoists anyways.....
    Wolves need to die, all of them. BEST thing for North Idaho is that every wolf here dies a slow painful death; and then the rest of them get shipped to LA or Chicago, where the rest of the libs are at.
    Fie, you're full of it. There's NOT "more game now that the wolves have taklen over", what a LOAD of garbage. Go & talk to most anyone in Moyie Springs now; they'll tell you that there's no game in the woods at all, wolves have killed off the elk & deer. The deer that remain like to stay close to houses because they have more protection there.
    "The wolves come & now there's more deer".....that's laughable.
    Best looking wolf has holes all over it & hopefull so do the rest of them that are nearby. Death to woves and Liberals shoudl move BACK to cali, land of morons.

  • exclamation posted at 10:56 pm on Wed, Jul 4, 2012.

    exclamation Posts: 56

    I always see the "smoke a pack a day," with a wolf head in the cross hairs of a scope. If someone ever finds one that reads "save a wolf shoot a hunter," let me know ill gladly purchase it.

  • Flash Gordon posted at 8:39 pm on Wed, Jul 4, 2012.

    Flash Gordon Posts: 1484

    ulver writes like a Malthusian theorist...........maybe our game population should be approached in the same manner.....

  • ulver posted at 6:36 pm on Wed, Jul 4, 2012.

    ulver Posts: 1

    Native wildlife doesn't need to be managed, we are the only species that need to be curbed. This whole notion of managing nature is utter nonsense spawned by arrogance.

  • NWBarb posted at 4:16 pm on Wed, Jul 4, 2012.

    NWBarb Posts: 1

    I would hope that we manage wolves and all animals in a manner that would not place them back on the endangered species list, which wolves were just very recently removed from. Hunting year round, even when pairs are breeding and raising young, would not seem to be a sustainable plan.

  • fiepie posted at 3:43 pm on Wed, Jul 4, 2012.

    fiepie Posts: 3008

    The grey wolf (timber wolf) was here long before the white man ever set foot on this country. The herds of deer and elk fluctuated then as they do now.
    South of Glacier Park, between Belton or Wesr Glacier and East Glacier, South Fork and Middle Fork of the Flathead, the elk have increased and shown an above average off spring count.
    Back in the fifties and sixties we hunted this area and usually found our game. The herds diminished and we hunted around Dillon, the Yellowstone Park elk that migrated out of the park.
    The herds have increased the last five or six years around the Flathead and the hunting has gotten better.
    The biggest difference since the fifties are that you have a better chance of seeing grizzly bears or wolves now compared to back then.
    They were there then but not in the numbers that are there now. Yet there are also more elk, blacktail deer and even whitetail.
    Around 1954 or 55 I was told that I might have seen some of the last timber wolfs in Montana. Seen a couple then and now have seen them again.
    I think it's great...sorry.

  • AnninIdaho posted at 3:37 pm on Wed, Jul 4, 2012.

    AnninIdaho Posts: 77

    local res : "it is legal to kill wolves year around, you simply take your dogs into the woods. When the wolf appears you shoot the wolf to protect your dog. "

    Local Res... Idaho Fish and Game will surely take interest into this statement of yours. Thanks ; )

  • AnninIdaho posted at 3:33 pm on Wed, Jul 4, 2012.

    AnninIdaho Posts: 77

    I find it shameful that Idaho's wolves , almost genetically indistinguishable from our own beloved housedogs, can be shot, trapped, choked in snares, and shot with arrows, year 'round, in the name of "recreation."
    Even game animals killed for food are only legal to hunt for a short time each year !

    CDA Person, aren't you an American? Isn't Idaho part of America? Cover up? Really? I remember reading about plans for the reintroduction years before it happened. Guess you missed it, so sorry they didn't track you down to ask YOU for YOUR permission, to restore a wild animal that was wiped out of our state back when no one knew what the repercussions would be.
    See "Lords of Nature; Life in a Land of Great Predators" ...available for rent from some libraries :D

  • CDA PERSON posted at 2:08 pm on Wed, Jul 4, 2012.

    CDA PERSON Posts: 1

    I just love this statement in this article....

    No other native animal is intentionally driven down to such artificially low numbers, especially one that Americans have worked so hard to restore.

    I don't recall giving permission to these americans to plant wolves in the state of idaho in the first place, does anyone ??? It was all done under cover. The american people in idaho were not involved. Whats worse, its probably still going on today.

  • local res posted at 1:37 pm on Wed, Jul 4, 2012.

    local res Posts: 1165

    The wolf issue is a farce and you wolf lovers know this to be true. The wolf is not endangered and not likely to be endangered as there are over 50,000 wolves on the north American continent. This entire issue is about reducing a surplus of big game animals. When there is no surplus there will be no human hunting allowed.

    The hypocrisy of this issue is no real concern for the animals that are killed by wolves. Personally I would like to see a change made to the federal 100 count. Wolf-hybids as well as "domesticated" wolves should be counted toward the 100 mark.

    Kathyswoofer your reasoning is a farce. Your statement " I wish that people could see that if they conplete wipe out the wolves, the deer and elk will repopulate at such a rate that eventually they will start eating themsellves to starvation, depleting the natural foods it takes to sustain their lives. It has happened in Yellowstone" shows no ral understanding of wildlife management.

    Do you really have any understanding or have you even visited the woods? Where the deer and elk STARVING before the reintroduction of the wolf? Was there animals dying everywhere do to a lack of a food source? IF you had ever been in the woods you would have know the answer. No the herds were healthy and increasing.

    Idaho Fish an Game why is there even a requirement to purchase a tag? Why is there not just a requirement to report an wolf killed?

    Kathyswoofer it is legal to kill wolves year around, you simply take your dogs into the woods. When the wolf appears you shoot the wolf to protect your dog. You say "Wolf into extinction" an I say you are a fool that doesn't know what you are talking about.

  • 3GenNative posted at 11:39 am on Wed, Jul 4, 2012.

    3GenNative Posts: 191

    @ kathyswoofer.....It's good to see there is some common sense out there, I Salute You!

  • kathyswoofer posted at 9:37 am on Wed, Jul 4, 2012.

    kathyswoofer Posts: 45

    I am glad to see there are some people here that agree the wolf hunting is getting out of control. Usually it is the anti wolf people who post their nasty remarks that respond to these kind of articles.

    I wish that people could see that if they conplete wipe out the wolves, the deer and elk will repopulate at such a rate that eventually they will start eating themsellves to starvation, depleting the natural foods it takes to sustain their lives. It has happened in Yellowstone, and since the wolf was re-introduced there, the ecosystem has developed immensely. It is once again able to sustain the deer and elk herds.

    People just don't get it. Wolves are not the only predator that kill the deer and elk. But do they make a big deal over that? NO. They blame the wolves, which were here before us. Nature was so much better off without civilization. But there is no way to stop that or "progress", so the wildlife has to suffer for that.

    Why give hunters the right to hunt wolves year around? Deer and elk aren't hunted year around. And why is that? Sure, they say that wolf hunters have to have "tags" to hunt, but what about the wolves that have been hunted and killed illegally, and never reported? Who knows what the numbers are on that.

    The Idaho Fish and Game claim this is suspose to be "wolf management". I say it's just another way to bring the wolf to extinction, once again, and it is insane!

  • not rich posted at 8:26 am on Wed, Jul 4, 2012.

    not rich Posts: 16

    i live in Murray. i've seen about 8 kills so far this year of deer and elk. From talking with others, I have heard that there are 7 packs in the region. Spokane has recently had a dog killed by wolves...not too many elk there. Spokane county used to have good deer hunting...how about now?
    I haven't hunted wolves up until now. That situation is going to change because the deer and elk population around is getting decimated.
    At the "cedar stump ranch" you used to be able to see about 100 elk in the field when you drove by. Now you are lucky to see 50 and usually you only see 15.
    I'm not against wolves, but i am against irresponsible government legislation that encourages animals to propagate without legal controls on their population. Check out new zealand and australia's history concerning deer, rabbits, possums, pigs, etc. the new zealand government had to hire 600 hunters for years who killed an average of 25 deer per day each. so wolves aren't the only problem. Now the government wants to set aside more land for increasing the caribou herd after years of trying and failing. what makes them so certain that this increase will work either? especially with the increase in wolf population! Mismanagement and laws without common sense is what i say.
    endangered species protection is great if there are controls and the protection doesn't go overboard.

  • Ricks posted at 7:08 am on Wed, Jul 4, 2012.

    Ricks Posts: 20

    Hunters, the inbreds that they are are not really known for their logic or smarts. Over 1 million people in Idaho and under 1000 wolves is too many? Yeah, right...

  • yukonduke posted at 6:39 am on Wed, Jul 4, 2012.

    yukonduke Posts: 1

    u all people are fags theres 700 to 800 wolves well over a million people in the state bunch whiners we need to thin out the hunters u hunt the wolves ill take care of u

  • pd1974 posted at 5:48 am on Wed, Jul 4, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    Less wolves equals more game available to the remaining wolves. Wolves are much better elk hunters than hunters will ever be and they hunt elk year round. The elk herds are never coming back to the way they were before wolf reintroduction. Sorry extremists, this is reality and it's not changing.

  • pd1974 posted at 5:46 am on Wed, Jul 4, 2012.

    pd1974 Posts: 105

    I am not worried about wolves. See, what happens is when there are less wolves, more elk and deer available to kill and eat by the remaining wolves. This is how nature works. The anti-wolf extremists like Will Penny will never win as there will always be many wolves in Idaho. Still well over 1000 wolves in Idaho.

  • Will Penny posted at 5:14 am on Wed, Jul 4, 2012.

    Will Penny Posts: 301

    "Wolves still under fire"

    That's rifle fire I hope!!

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