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Posted: Thursday, May 31, 2012 5:05 pm

A formal complaint was filed with City Clerk Susan Weathers this afternoon on behalf of Stop the Recall. The complaint against RecallCDA addresses the overwhelming and persistent misinformation being spread by organizers and volunteers in the effort to gather signatures for the petitions to recall Mayor Bloem, Councilwoman Goodlander, Councilman Kennedy, and Councilman McEvers. We believe there have been violations of Idaho Code 34-1714(d). RecallCDA has had many opportunities to correct the mistruths and fallacies being spread by their organization, but they have failed to do so. Stop the Recall, as an organization representing a large portion of this community, hopes that with a formal investigation, RecallCDA will be held accountable for any unlawful actions they have perpetrated.

Jennifer Drake

Co-Chair, Stop the Recall

  • Discuss

Welcome to the discussion.

121 comments:

  • Enough Already posted at 11:30 am on Sun, Jun 3, 2012.

    Enough Already Posts: 214

    One of the points that the anti-recall group makes is that it is a 14 million dollar project and not a nearly 40 million dollar one although 14 million represents a so called scaled back plan now denoted as phase 1. The LCDC references the McEuen MASTER plan then fails any other details and costs estimates as required by statute maintaining flexibility so nobody knows what the deal is nor can the LCDC know until the City agrees and votes. Simply the cart is put before the horse and has always been the case!

    Then the City left the 40 million plan up and nothing changes the fact that this is what happened to begin with thus the Recall petition would be correct referencing that act as happening while the anti-Recall takes every desperate measurer to distort everything they possible can. There have been changes no doubt that places the controversies on the City. Tubbs hill in or out, the boat launch in or out, who knows what is next but my opinion is they have always needed to clean up their act.

     
  • Mary Souza posted at 9:18 pm on Sat, Jun 2, 2012.

    Mary Souza Posts: 813

    Elvis stopped by to sing a fun little ditty in support of the Recall...check it out here: http://opencda.com/?p=11418#comments

     
  • CClavin posted at 8:23 pm on Sat, Jun 2, 2012.

    CClavin Posts: 221

    arius 1: Well said, I think you, me & the 5,000 plus feel the same way. The City has done some great things but when you don't listen to the people & bully the voters well you have problems. The simple truth is personal agenda's took priority over the citizens.

     
  • CClavin posted at 8:17 pm on Sat, Jun 2, 2012.

    CClavin Posts: 221

    Humanist: Typical response from the City,.......bully the voters,,,,,,,bully the citizens......and bully anybody who stands up..........Oh yeah we have the City's lawsuit against the voters do we Humanist? How much will that cost the citizens? Let me ask you this "if" the Recall goes to the voters and "If" the fab-4 are kicked out of office will you be quite?

     
  • arius1 posted at 6:42 pm on Sat, Jun 2, 2012.

    arius1 Posts: 957

    I thank the Mayor on her past efforts and accomplishments. I don't believe she deserves full credit, it was a team effort, and I do believe the majority of CDA citizens wanted the Kroc Center and the Library. I also believe the majority of citizens have concerns about the McCuen Field project and would like a say in the matter. I signed the recall petition because of the elitist attitude of the Mayor and the other three council members, and their refusal to hear the voice of the people. This probably could of been avoided by allowing a public vote on the issue.

     
  • Humanist posted at 5:32 pm on Sat, Jun 2, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    Quote CClavin: "You tried your best..................but..............fell short. "

    Gotta love the premature celebration and "in your face" crassness from several of the pro-recall folks here. Nothing has been determined yet, so I wouldn't "count your chickens before they hatch" if I were you.....

     
  • CClavin posted at 4:40 pm on Sat, Jun 2, 2012.

    CClavin Posts: 221

    Here is an idea Humanist you, Timeless, and Meester can borrow the mayor's pickup and take down the "Decline to Sign" signs that are posted in City employees yards, property owned by LCDC-Parkwood Properties and take them to the recycle center. You tried your best..................but..............fell short.

     
  • Humanist posted at 11:31 am on Sat, Jun 2, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    Quote Spikey: "Humanist, you're an idiot."

    LOL. And you are incapable of civil discourse. When a person who is involved in a debate resorts to name calling, they lose any credibility that they may have once had. And this has happened repeatedly with some of the folks I've been debating with here - when they are faced with being proven wrong or having to admit they were wrong, they will start to name call.

     
  • 4limitedgov posted at 9:10 am on Sat, Jun 2, 2012.

    4limitedgov Posts: 27

    Sorry, I used "hear" instead of "here".

     
  • 4limitedgov posted at 9:09 am on Sat, Jun 2, 2012.

    4limitedgov Posts: 27

    I've read the blog posts hear, followed some of the folks on both sides of the issue, and I'd like to add my two cents.

    1- LCDC and other URD's across the state need the legislature to rein in the laws a bit to stop what many feel is an immoral reach in spending tax-generated dollars.
    2 - To say that URD's are "tax-neutral" is disingenuous. There is a cost to county taxpayers, but it's negligible (<1% I suspect).
    3 - I'm a decline to sign guy because I don't think that McCuen should have gone to a public vote (we are a representative form of government). Leadership is hard. The mayor and targeted council I believe have done their best. If you disagree, you take them out next election. That's what we do.
    4 - Recall CDA has the right to the process they are engaged in. So does the Decline group. Don't we all love that freedom?
    5 - The fact is: $14 million Phase 1 is all that has been authorized. The rest, Phases 2, 3 et al, have yet to be approved by Council. So the Recall marketing touting the $40 million is non-factual an is probably the single issue that has gotten the Decline group so invigorated.
    6 - When LCDC barrows $11M, the interest is paid for out of the URD dollars from the rest of the district. THIS IS NOT UNCONSTITUTIONAL either. The debt of the LCDC is not a debt that the city is liable for. The URD stands on it's own.
    7 - I believe the recall vote, should it actually make it to fruition, will fall short of the votes needed to boot them out, unless it's the November election, which it won't be because Susan Weathers holds the decision on that.

    My hope - and it's pie in the sky, but I'll say it anyway - is that after the Recall fails, those involved will be content knowing they gave it their best shot and then take a rest from some of the ugliness that has been slung around in this forum as well as in some face-to-face interactions that have happened in the city. Coeur d'Alene is too wonderful of a place to be dragged through the mud with all this contention.

    There, I'm done. Thanks for stopping by.

     
  • Billy N posted at 6:29 am on Sat, Jun 2, 2012.

    Billy N Posts: 38

    Is down town a blighted area? No, therefore the whole premise of the project is false. So there must be some other motivation for the LCDC. I would like to know where the existing funds came from that will be used to build a new baseball field (or the purchase of the land for the field), If those existing funds are tax money then LCDC has increased our tax burden and the public is being lied to by the city and LCDC. Did LCDC borrow about 11 million for the first phase of the park project? If so how does the interest on that loan get paid since a park will not generate any new tax income,unlike other projects which do create tax revenue?

     
  • inclined posted at 1:08 am on Sat, Jun 2, 2012.

    inclined Posts: 681


    "I prefer rogues to imbeciles, because they sometimes take a rest."
    -- Alexandre Dumas

    I intend the gentler meaning of both of these words, but notice the dolt simply does not get tired of themselves or their opinion. They can go on and on with each other. They will wear a reasonable person down. That they are wrong and empty headed often, doesn't phase them one wit.

     
  • chouli posted at 5:15 pm on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1294

    humanist:
    why would you think #2 & 3 are not factual? Please explain why this current phase 1 is called "phase 1"?
    Please show me where the original approved $40 million has been rescinded by the City? Shouldn't the City make some kind of formal withdrawl of the original approval?

    #5-do you suggest this did not happen? she admitted to it. what purpose would there be to contact these people if not to intimidate them or put them on the spot for their support of the recall group?

    Have a good weekend, folks.

     
  • Spikey posted at 5:03 pm on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Spikey Posts: 387

    Humanist, you're an idiot. "It therefore follows" indicates that something you have said would lead one to believe...etc. It does not indicate a quotation. Did you flunk english as well as logic? I have no intention of bothering with you any further and would suggest the same from other posters.

    Now, all rhetoric, verbiage, sarcasm and opinions aside. Yes, I am in favor of the recall. No surprise there. What I truly do not understand is why those who are against the recall have chosen to take that stand. All the recall accomplishes is to put a recall to a vote. Either way it goes, majority wins.

    Why am I in favor of the recall? I believe in the democratic process. I believe that there is way too much obfuscation in CDA govt. That a small group of powerful people call the shots and enjoy profit with tax dollars. Actually that is no secret. The CDA OBC is a given. I believe that the CDA council insults the mentality of the citizenry, indeed they treat public questioning with rudeness and often insults. To wit: the recent (and past) behavior of Mike Kennedy. I believe that a new broom is a good idea.

     
  • Humanist posted at 4:20 pm on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    @choulli: Maybe ONE of the items you listed has some validity (number 1). The rest are simply your opinion and number 4 is clearly false.

     
  • Humanist posted at 4:15 pm on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    Quote Spikey: "Humanist, read for comprehension please. I never quoted you nor implied that I was quoting you. Your post was totally inaccurate."

    I suggest that YOU read YOUR own post for comprehension. Here it is below with your implications of what I think or mean. Again, you clearly try to put words into my mouth that I never said or implied.

    Quote Spikey: "It therefore follows that you believe that all of those who desire democracy are stupid. Only those who oppose the recall have even a modicum of intelligence. Does it not occur to you that people who sign have the sense to know what they are signing. Apparently, according to you, we have 5000 knuckle dragging cretins loose on the street. "

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 4:13 pm on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969

    Humanist,

    Some of the same people working toward this recall are also fighting the URD Laws of the State level. No one is saying anyone is breaking any laws with the use of the URD or LCDC, that I am aware of, but the looseness of the laws allow unethical and spending opportunities that are unlawful in every other public entity. The Laws need fixed, but to just sit and watch without trying to contain it as it happens is a bad as taking advantage of a well conceived but poorly written law.

    Spikey,

    No he is not one of the council, I have had extensive talk with Humanist, he honestly believes the ArtsyFartsy change to the park is good for the community. I Don't agree with Him on very much at all, but I have yet to find him deceitful in what he believes. I can respect that in anyone.

     
  • bionic man posted at 3:56 pm on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    bionic man Posts: 347

    Wasn't going to comment, but reading some of the posts from the "anti-recall croud," Just have to say this, "no matter what you do or say, the recall is and will happen." Childish games and toys will not hamper the will of the majority. Just conceed. The (4) are gone and you will no longer be able to line your pockets with tax payer money. Looking forward to the close of business signs, now legitamate business will prevail.

    Have a great day "anti-recallers."

     
  • CClavin posted at 3:52 pm on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    CClavin Posts: 221

    Meester strikes again where has your buudy Timeless been? Hey I don't are if you are CITY INSIDERS you guys are doing great stuff for the Recall People. What a team sport it has been, too bad the FAB4 are outa-here!!!!!

     
  • chouli posted at 3:42 pm on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1294

    well humanist (post at 1:51 Q),
    off the top of my head I can think of:
    1-recording a conversation and lying when the volunteer asks if he is recording the conversation and he says no it's just my phone.
    2-making the statement that the original McEuen plan cost of $40 million has been rescinded when it has not been.
    3-making the statement that phase 1 is the one and only phase of the McEuen park vision and remodel. Why is it called phase 1?
    4-accusing recall volunteers of intentionally misleading the public into signing the petitions. no one from the recall cda group intentionally gives misinformation because everything is scrutinized to the nth degree. that would be foolish.
    5-your anti-recall leader sending 200+ emails to contact businesses that support the recall cda cause to what...harass them.
    6-the rude drive by comments to the volunteers working the various signing stations.
    7-the latest effort to file a complaint against the recall petition signatures because you think misinformation was given and now you want the whole process thrown out. No details given but nice timing since there seems to be enough signatures for a VOTE!

    Let the VOTERS decide.

     
  • Spikey posted at 3:35 pm on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Spikey Posts: 387

    Still no answer to my question humanist, so I'll ask it again here. Why are you afraid of the recall effort? Why does the voters desire to be a part of the process that they pay for, strike such fear and loathing into your mind. Could you possibly be one of the council members targeted?

     
  • Jullee posted at 3:33 pm on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Jullee Posts: 566

    meesterbox, so you are saying that Phase 1 ..to tear up half of the park and leave the rest undone is a good idea ? Wouldn't it a better idea be to fix up the East part of the park and leave the rest alone ?
    Why doesn't the city have completed plans before they start a project of this magnitude ?
    I saw how "desperate" the anti-recall group is first hand last night with Mary at a Gov't Way location used for public information and signing .
    He was very rude and trying to pick a fight, but Mary has higher standards than to confront and fall for the set up, and it was a set-up.

     
  • Spikey posted at 3:30 pm on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Spikey Posts: 387

    Who cares what the Plaza shops are called or how different people refer to them. I have heard people say that they are going to the Plaza shops at the mall. So.......?

    Humanist, read for comprehension please. I never quoted you nor implied that I was quoting you. Your post was totally inaccurate.

     
  • Enough Already posted at 3:28 pm on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Enough Already Posts: 214

    Humanist, this is why I really don’t like to comment where you go. DAH, it involves State laws, why does the Mayor act at the local level, because State laws provide for that as it does Urban Renewal, and the Recall. Not sure what you mean by me ‘acting’ at the local level, I’m just commenting on a post in our local newspaper, nothing more.

    Meesterbox you’ve told Chouli apparently all he needs to know about phase 1 and since you’ve explained no idea why anyone wouldn’t except that as the gospel and hard cold fact on the most controversial activity that core City group has created no matter what the public thinks, challenges, or says about it. It gets murkier by the minute by design, and when the people step and say Enough Already then they are attacked with the latest thing that is not a complaint rather a request to investigate submitted of course to the Mayor’s right arm. What a JOKE!

     
  • chouli posted at 3:23 pm on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1294

    Uh, yes, meester, your group does make those insulting comments. Are you kidding me?! And I know you frequent the HOL site where it's also rampant.

    Please enlighten us why this current phase 1 is called phase 1? You can hide behind that innocent little guise of "we don't have any other phases planned" but logic dictates that if it's called phase 1, it's the first of multiple phases. That isn't a lie or a misrepresentation, it's a fact.

    not upset, meester. just fully aware of your propaganda. it's time to allow the recall to move forward and let the VOTERS decide if the mayor and her team of 3 will stay in office or be removed.

     
  • meesterbox posted at 3:01 pm on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    meesterbox Posts: 183

    Chouli - I stand by my previous post you really need to quit getting so upset by my posts. Everything you typed is nonsense and hypocrisy. You seem to attack whatever I post. I will assume this is because of my valid reasons as to why people should Decline to Sign :)

    As for your question about Phase 1, I personally hope that one day there would be a Phase 2, but does one exist right now? No. I have explained this to you before so I am not sure why you are so bent on this.

    You also call the anti-recall group immature, but you don't see them making comments on here calling others communists, desperate, ruling class elite, insulting, city insiders, elitists, bored housewives, childish, petty, etc.

     
  • Humanist posted at 2:06 pm on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    Quote Enough Already: "Urban Renewal has a long history of problems with laws that needed to be expanded to bring what was clearly way out of control into some compliance and still a lot is not nearly where it should have been years ago looking at just the Urban Renewal laws. "

    Then why are you acting at the local level? Urban renewal laws are legislated by the State of Idaho.

     
  • Humanist posted at 1:51 pm on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    Quote chouli: "the anti-recall group has spread constant mistruths and attacks"

    Do you have references to and proof of these allegations?

    The single thing that I'm aware of are the Decline To Sign signs being placed by unknown people in the yard of the pro-recall person on 4th Street.

     
  • Enough Already posted at 1:49 pm on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Enough Already Posts: 214

    Chouli – well said, at this point the most obvious is how low will the anti-recallers go.
    Meesterbox – you make nothing but bad assumptions and advocate everything anti-recall as though they do no wrong and are the only ones following the laws, what a joke, does sound like a true insider.
    Humanoid – oh I mean Humanist – hardly worth the time to comment on where you go.
    Controversy has been spun in many directions by the anti-recallers from day one. Who is the decider of fact when if anything what the City has done is also distort the facts from day one. The whole problem rests with the City and LCDC for not providing clear unambiguous information at every juncture so that no controversy could even exist. Urban Renewal has a long history of problems with laws that needed to be expanded to bring what was clearly way out of control into some compliance and still a lot is not nearly where it should have been years ago looking at just the Urban Renewal laws. One can only hope for a fair determination applicable to both sides, doubt that will ever happen. Horrible journalism with the posts at this site carrying over into the printed press but not this one, no report about the depth of the so-called complaint, no report of attempts to obtain further comment, and of course none of it printed tells everyone plenty

     
  • chouli posted at 1:19 pm on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1294

    meester:
    get a grip. I know you & your group's comments on the HOL site (monitored by der Fuhrer Olivera) are nothing but rude and attacking comments against the recall people and efforts. why not stick to that controlled environment site rather than trolling here?

    the anti-recall group has spread constant mistruths and attacks. anything goes for your crowd. I'm of the belief that some of the shenanigans you blame the recall group for are actually your own group trying to discredit the recall efforts. the recall group is working very hard to always stay above board and truthful because we know everything is scrutinized.

    Please tell us exactly what “mistruths” the complaint is asserting?
    Can you prove to us that the phase 1 is the only phase ever to be proposed? Why is it called phase 1?
    Can you prove to us that the $40 million original approved plan has been officially rescinded by the City?

    Your anti-recall group casts more shame on this city by their immature nature in not accepting that the citizens are standing and asking for a recall VOTE. Accept that fact and stop with the vitriol.

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 12:40 pm on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969

    I always wondered how the City Estimate of the cost of this recall would come upto $20,000, when the recall at TLPD of 2 board members only cost around $5,000. Now I am seeing the cost differences.

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 12:25 pm on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969

    Betrayer of Hope,

    "Meesterbox is deranged." Does that him Mr Kennedy or does that just make 2 of them.

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 12:06 pm on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969

    Humanist,

    I know now what the mall is called. And it is well that we have found common ground again, " ambiguity in Kathy Sims statement" I can accept that. But not a Felony, or worthy of formal complaint and expensive investigation.

     
  • Betrayer of Hope posted at 11:53 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Betrayer of Hope Posts: 135

    Meesterbox is deranged.

     
  • Jullee posted at 11:53 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Jullee Posts: 566

    LAST NIGHT I WITNESSED AN ANTI-RECALL MAN HARASSING PEOPLE AT THE GOV'T WAY RECALL STATION. HE WAS PATHETIC. THROWING HIS TEMPER TANTRUM AND TRYING TO BAIT THE VOLUNTEERS INTO AN ARGUMENT, SO THEY WERE FORCED TO CALL POLICE.
    IT REALLY HELPS TO MAKE THE CASE ON HOW DESPERATE AND SCARED THE ANTI-RECALL PEOPLE ARE. JUST LET THE PUBLIC VOTE , SADLY THIS COULD HAVE ALL BEEN AVOIDED IF THE MAYOR HAD DONE HER JOB AND LISTENED TO THE PEOPLE NOT THE SHEEPLE.
    TO LISTEN AND NEGOTIATE IS A WONDERFUL THING.

     
  • meesterbox posted at 11:45 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    meesterbox Posts: 183

    To those that keep saying those that oppose the recall are trying to silence the voters or denying your voice/vote, this isn't the case. RecallCDA's attempt at a recall is a process governed by laws, laws that must be followed. The Stop the Recall/Decline to Sign group decided that they were not going to sit idly by and assume that they were gathering signatures using honest and factual information. When they started to dig through all the information, like a lot of us have done (i.e. Sim's ad), they probably found numerous fallacies, and if this is the case I am glad they are filling a formal complaint.

    As for all the commenters on here that have taken this opportunity to call them communists, desperate, ruling class elite, insulting, city insiders, elitists, bored housewives, childish, petty, etc., you are being ridiculous and rude. If it is found that they have been using facts to get the signatures, good, but if they aren't then it is great that there are citizens like Mrs. Drake and Mrs. Meyer that are standing up and making sure that the their attempt at a recall is being handled lawfully. I don't know how you can argue against that.

    RecallCDA, as the lyrical master Ice Cube once said, "Chickity-check yo self before you wreck yo self"

     
  • Humanist posted at 11:44 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    @JW: It really is called The Plaza Shops.

    http://www.cdapress.com/news/business/article_00d6d225-67ff-554e-9cf7-9ef33da4fe74.html

    I admit now, there's some ambiguity in Kathy Sims statement and she could have been referring to something else called "the plaza". Perhaps the open area between the resort and Independence Point?

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 11:24 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969

    You can call a horse, Cow, but it doesn't make it a Cow.
    You can call a Mall, Plaza, but it is still a Mall. Unless you want to rip out the roofs and walls to the hallways.

     
  • Humanist posted at 11:09 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    @Spikey: I never said any of those things. You sure do like putting words into mouth, don't you?

    Absolutely, some of the people signing the signature understand all of the actual facts and signed accordingly. But the problem here is that some of the people signing did so based on misinformation. And that misinformation was supplied directly by the organized recall group. The pro-recallers should be objective enough to realize this tainting as well without instead trying to defend it.

     
  • Humanist posted at 11:01 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    Quote JW: "I didn't know anyone was calling the Mall, a Plaza"

    The "mall" is actually CALLED The Plaza Shops.

     
  • 56YearOldNativeWithAVoice posted at 11:01 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    56YearOldNativeWithAVoice Posts: 150

    JeffreyWherley:
    The Mall is called The Plaza Shops, I believe. Or at least it used to be.

     
  • Spikey posted at 10:58 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Spikey Posts: 387

    One more question humanist....on the story regarding the school property incident, I asked you a question. Which you apparently decline to answer. Because you can't? Or do you only comment when you can, with your superior intellect and knowledge, denigrate a poster.

    Whatever fella.....

     
  • Spikey posted at 10:53 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Spikey Posts: 387

    If you say so humanist.....you certainly are the resident expert on illogical irony in your (many) statements. You also might answer the question of how many and from whom did the false pretenses originate. One such incident was recorded (by a coward who is afraid to identify himself) and that petitioner was removed and the mistake owned and the recallers apologized. Perhaps your new argument against the political process will be that all the signatures were obtained falsely. It therefore follows that you believe that all of those who desire democracy are stupid. Only those who oppose the recall have even a modicum of intelligence. Does it not occur to you that people who sign have the sense to know what they are signing. Apparently, according to you, we have 5000 knuckle dragging cretins loose on the street. What we do have loose on the streets is an out of control councilman.

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 10:45 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969

    56YearOldNativeWithAVoice,

    Since a Plaza is a public square, marketplace, or similar OPEN SPACE in a built-up area Maybe she is under the same impression that the build up on the 200 Block of Sherman actual was that OPEN SPACE south of the 100 Block. I didn't know anyone was calling the Mall, a Plaza, is that some euphemism to make it sound more artsy and less commercial (objectionable)? When reading her add I never even thought of the MALL as the referred to property.

    The resort and the PLAZA are both outside the URD. If she was referring to the MALL then she would have been only half right. Sounds like a misunderstanding or maybe a typo, not a misrepresentation.

     
  • Humanist posted at 10:31 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    Quote Close Enough: "if we follow your logic... I seem to remember an election a few years ago that involved some illegal voters. Perhaps we should have just chucked out all of the election results, from every race, that year? "

    No, that's actually not the logic at all. In that case, the illegal voters themselves could be identified. In this case, it will be impossible to determine which signatures were obtained under false pretenses by the individual recall representatives. There is a one (recaller stating misinformation) to many (potential signatures based on that misinformation) relationship here. Therein lies the problem.

    Quote Close Enough: "then why can't I file some too"

    If your complaints have merit, then go for it. That is what our legal system is for.

    Quote Spikey: "This childish petty foot stomping action "

    The irony of that statement is incredible.

     
  • 56YearOldNativeWithAVoice posted at 10:24 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    56YearOldNativeWithAVoice Posts: 150

    LTR: 201 Sherman Ave, educated guess tells me this is the address of the PLAZA. According to the tax record on the Kootenai County Treasurers site, there definitely is a line item for the URD.
    Look it up for yourself.

    So, there you have it. Not only IS the PLAZA within the Lake Dist , but a portion of the associated taxes DO contribute to the URD Lake District.

    If I am in error, pls correct me with documentation. What I am after here is the truth, not an argument.

     
  • Betrayer of Hope posted at 10:20 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Betrayer of Hope Posts: 135

    I like the idea of an Anti-Stop the Recall Group. I mean, they want to deny the voice of the recallers, so lets make an effort to deny their voice. After all, turn about is fair play. You reap what you sow. Fight fire with fire. What goes around comes around. etc. But hold on, I'm digressing.

    Indeed, our loving, city insider, neighbors are becoming desperate as they see the possibility of their dreams shatter before their eyes. They see the PEOPLE waking up and fighting back against their petty tyranny. They see the citizens of this city standing up for THEIR rights, not the whims of power drunk fat cats (double entendre there). In their desperation they have sunken to the level of trickery and deceit, the very things they criticize, which makes them hypocrites. Lies and flattery, sweet as honey, are ever on their tongues. Cover your ears from their wicked words!

    Indeed, the people are awakening and arising. Revolution calling!

     
  • Lakelvr posted at 10:19 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Lakelvr Posts: 30

    Hmmmmm.....I find using another's logic applied to a similar situation....with the knowledge that it will be.....
    A. Ignored
    B. Dismissed
    C. Belatedly defined as a witty statement (satire)
    ....quite satirical. But apparently that was lost on you.

    Did we have some of that spinach for breakfast??

     
  • Spikey posted at 10:10 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Spikey Posts: 387

    This childish petty foot stomping action simply pulls all the oxygen from the atmosphere. Are you kidding me??? Kindergarteners don't behave this way....two year olds have better manners. Unbelievable.

    Perhaps, for the sake of balance, someone should make an official complaint about Councilman Kennedy stalking petitioners and confronting them, as well as making complaints to the authorities. Mr. Kennedy, the police have better things to do than cater to your snit fits.

    What kind of a place do I live in? Shamefull!!!

     
  • Close Enough posted at 9:58 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Close Enough Posts: 134

    Hey now, Humanist, how come he gets a reply, but I don't? My feelings are hurt.

    Anywho--moving on-- I'm thinking about starting a new group: Anti-Stop the Recall Group. Anyone want to join? I would like to file some complaints of my own. And, heck, if a couple of bored housewives can stir the pot with misguided, pathetic complaints, then why can't I file some too???

    Viva La Revolución!

     
  • Humanist posted at 9:44 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    Quote Lakelvr: "Hmmmm....no reply Humanist?"

    Your first post really wasn't worthy of a reply, but if you insist....

    Timeless' statement of "If the Recallers are innocent of spreading misinformation, they should welcome an investigation. What are you all afraid of?" was a satirical response to the common recaller statement of "they should welcome a recall vote. What are they afraid of?".

    Apparently the satire was lost on you.

     
  • Close Enough posted at 9:40 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Close Enough Posts: 134

    @Humanist: Sure, there have been two recordings. One of them however was taken by Nic Casey (who obviously was just trolling, not looking to sign) who lied himself to obtain the recording-- note the irony.

    There is no actual evidence of any signatures being obtained illegally. As such, your claim that the pool has been tainted and all of the signatures must be tossed out is absurd. In fact, it is difficult to tell if people like you and Nic Casey are purposefully trying to discredit the anti-recall crowd. Going further, if we follow your logic... I seem to remember an election a few years ago that involved some illegal voters. Perhaps we should have just chucked out all of the election results, from every race, that year?

     
  • CClavin posted at 9:37 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    CClavin Posts: 221

    Tina Johnson you said, "Congratulations Jennifer and all the STOP THE RECALL volunteers!"
    You are 100% right they have really helped spark the RECALL signatures, I really don't think RECALL CDA would have been as successful without Jennifer & Crew. My guess they would have stalled out at 2,500 signatures, but with their help boosted it over the 5,000 mark. When you have time please thank Jennifer, Sara, the mayor & family, & Mike Kennedy. Job well done crew and please.....please keep it up the sky is the limit.

     
  • Lakelvr posted at 9:33 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Lakelvr Posts: 30

    Hmmmm....no reply Humanist??

    Guess my comment was....

    FOR THE WIN!!!

     
  • Ziggy posted at 9:27 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Ziggy Posts: 1285

    What about the untruths being spread by the other side, such as the Kroc Center and the Library having ANYTHING to do with the recall? They don't. The recall is about McEuen Field and the boat launch....period. Maybe some care about the parking lot. I, for one, am never parking in an underground parking lot unless there is security stationed every 100 feet or so. Has anyone ever been in the above ground parkade in Spokane? Creepy, creepy place.

     
  • chouli posted at 9:27 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1294

    I do believe the recordings were based on lying to the volunteer (which was also recorded!) stating they were not being recorded...shows your ethics in investigation. LOL

     
  • chouli posted at 9:24 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1294

    Comrade Humanist & 56yearold....

     
  • chouli posted at 9:24 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1294

    Comrade, you "should welcome an investigation. What are you all afraid of?" how utterly ridiculous is that?!

    the anti recall group has been more divisive than the entire recall effort. the recall is moving forward. stop with your witch hunt and the desperate moves to get your way and keep your power.

     
  • 56YearOldNativeWithAVoice posted at 9:16 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    56YearOldNativeWithAVoice Posts: 150

    LTR:
    I agree and I will repeat... The Resort appears to NOT be included in the URD, but the PLAZA is, according to the map.
    I guess the real question is " are taxes associated with the PLAZA apart of the Lake Dist ?"

     
  • Humanist posted at 9:02 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    @BOP: What? That makes zero sense at all. For the record, I do not believe in eugenics of humans. I do, however, believe in eugenics of spinach. And recall signatures.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 9:02 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    56 year old: I looked at the map again and the resort seems to be excluded. And according to the Tax Assessor, The Resort does not pay urd taxes.

     
  • Lakelvr posted at 9:00 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Lakelvr Posts: 30

    @Humanist 8:37 a.m.

    If the City Council members and Mayor feel they have done no wrong and have made decisions that are representative of the majority of constituents of Coeur d'Alene, they should welcome a recall vote. What are they afraid of?

     
  • 56YearOldNativeWithAVoice posted at 8:58 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    56YearOldNativeWithAVoice Posts: 150

    Oops, sorry KimK, my bad. That post was meant for Jeff Werley.

     
  • 56YearOldNativeWithAVoice posted at 8:54 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    56YearOldNativeWithAVoice Posts: 150

    KimK:
    I know you live in Rathdrum or Athol or somewhere, so maybe you are unfamiliar with the downtown CDA area. The PLAZA is across the street from the RESORT. Even on the map link you posted ( same as mine) it clearly shows the Resort is NOT highlighted and the PLAZA IS highlighted. Which would indicate that the PLAZA is within the Lake District.

     
  • Betrayer of Hope posted at 8:47 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Betrayer of Hope Posts: 135

    Humanist's analogy leads me to believe that he is a eugenicists. Disgusting.

     
  • Humanist posted at 8:46 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    Quote 56YearOldNativeWithAVoice: "I have reviewed the Lake District Map several times. It appears to me that the RESORT is not highlighted in blue and that the PLAZA is highted in blue. My understanding is that everything highlighted in blue is included in the Lake District. Did I miss something?"

    That's certainly what it looks like. Which means that Kathy Sims published incorrect information in an attempt to gain recall signatures.

     
  • Humanist posted at 8:37 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    Quote Timeless: "If the Recallers are innocent of spreading misinformation, they should welcome an investigation. What are you all afraid of?"

    FOR THE WIN.

    And to just add my own two cents to all of the recallers here: there have been multiple cases of misinformation being used by recallers in an attempt to gain signatures. At least two of those were recorded. So there is no way to know how many signatures were obtained under false pretenses and the logical thing would be to throw them ALL out.

    It's sort of like 3 cases of food poisoning being attributed to spinach from a certain farm. You have to destroy the entire crop because of the potential for it all to be tainted.

     
  • babydriver posted at 8:34 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    babydriver Posts: 1393

    Cry me a river.

    This is probably just to stall beyond the 75 day limit.

     
  • 56YearOldNativeWithAVoice posted at 8:31 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    56YearOldNativeWithAVoice Posts: 150

    http://lcdc.org/districts/lake-district

    Here is the link to the Lake District map. I am on the side of truth, if this map is incorrect; I want to know.
    What map are you looking at?

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 8:22 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969

    http://lcdc.org/districts/lake-district/

    Seems to me Sims was right. Looks like 56YearOldNativeWithAVoice and Hucky are spreading Misinformation, AGAIN.

     
  • chouli posted at 8:21 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1294

    Jennifer,
    Give it a rest.
    You cannot over rule the recall petition process even though your long history of entitlement leads you to believe that.
    The recall is legal.
    The recall is happening.
    The recall volunteers have done nothing wrong other than step on those elitist toes of yours.
    And I hope the recall is successful in ALLOWING THE PUBLIC TO VOTE on whether to keep or replace the mayor and 3 of her city council members that have been in collusion for far too long.

    There are no lies and "misinformation" other than what's circling in your head.
    Your anti-recall group spreads misinformation by saying the total cost of the McEuen Park upgrade is only 14 million. That is for cost for Phase 1 ONLY and you know that fact.

    Spin, spin, spin all you want. The fact is the original approval for nearly 40 million has NOT been rescinded. Phase 1 is called Phase 1 for a reason. It's because additional phases will be in the future.

    When it comes to behavior unbecoming, don't forget about your email to 200 people asking that they harass businesses that support the recall efforts, or the outright lying to volunteers that they are not being recording when they are in fact, being recorded. Shameful, but I guess in your Machiavellian world any means to your end is justifiable.

    Let the process move forward and stop trying to control the will of the majority of the citizens of CDA.

     
  • Tina Johnson posted at 8:21 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Tina Johnson Posts: 33

    Congratulations Jennifer and all the STOP THE RECALL volunteers!

     
  • Betrayer of Hope posted at 8:20 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Betrayer of Hope Posts: 135

    I wish ONE anti-recaller, with the mental capacity and stability, would explain to me WHY they are so hel1-bent on denying the voice/vote of their fellow citizens.

    You'd think they were all fascists or something...

     
  • 56YearOldNativeWithAVoice posted at 8:17 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    56YearOldNativeWithAVoice Posts: 150

    LTR:
    I am not accusing Mrs. sims of a crime.

    I have reviewed the Lake District Map several times. It appears to me that the RESORT is not highlighted in blue and that the PLAZA is highted in blue. My understanding is that everything highlighted in blue is included in the Lake District. Did I miss something?

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 7:56 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    56year old: Look at the Lake District map again. You may be falsly accusing Mrs. Sims of a crime.

    It appears, on the map, the Cda. Resort and Plaza at 200 blk Sherman is excluded from the URB District.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 7:50 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    All garbage, the anti-recallers just don't want the public to have a say, or a vote, in the money that gets spent. Anti-Recallers are communists.

     
  • 56YearOldNativeWithAVoice posted at 7:28 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    56YearOldNativeWithAVoice Posts: 150

    Here is the link to a copy of the Nickles worth ad:

    http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/hbo/2012/may/31/sims-continues-city-hall-attack/

     
  • 56YearOldNativeWithAVoice posted at 7:13 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    56YearOldNativeWithAVoice Posts: 150

    ....how about the ad placed in the Nickles Worth? This smells of misinformation to me.
    I borrowed the following from a commentor on Huckleberries Spokesman Review blog pertaining to an ad placed in The Nickles Worth, paid for by Cathy Sims:

    “(half-truths)(innuendo)(lies) Sign the recall. Paid for by Kathy Sims.” - from Kathy Sims’s ad.

    “She’s also incorrect when she says the Plaza is outside the urban renewal district.” - evidenced by a little fact checking http://lcdc.org/districts/lake-district/

    “A person is guilty of a felony, who… Wilfully or knowingly circulates, publishes or exhibits any false statement or representation concerning the contents, purport or effect of any recall petition for the purpose of obtaining any signature to any such petition, or for the purpose of persuading any person to sign any such recall petition” - Idaho Code 34-1714(d) (emphasis added)

     
  • lexacon posted at 6:34 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    lexacon Posts: 80

    I sure hope this group doesn't open up a can of worms, one in which they have no clue to the stank within!

     
  • Timeless posted at 6:32 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    *Coeur d' Alene.
    Before one of you jumps me for my typo....

     
  • Timeless posted at 6:30 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    Cdafuture:

    Your comment below, is a pretty good example of misinformation:

    ......"public park and whether it becomes one with the Resort and Towers or whether it remains " Coeur spd' Alene."

     
  • cdasfuture posted at 11:53 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    cdasfuture Posts: 123

    The STOP-THE-RECALL signs should TRUTHFULLY say:
    Decline to Sign
    Just Say No to a Public Vote.

    By signing the petition, you are simply saying that you believe in EVERYONE'S RIGHT TO VOTE on the development of our public park and whether it becomes one with the Resort and Towers or whether it remains "Coeur d'Alene".


     
  • Enough Already posted at 11:03 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    Enough Already Posts: 214

    That is a really good point "Knowingly and Willfully" violate the statute. The mind set would factor into it. Would that then apply to someone or group hindering or delaying any recall petition, propose to desist from beginning, promoting or circulating any recall petition in any manner, or form or any power of promotion or opposition in any manner or form, or secret or private intimidation of any person or business interest? An organized effort sending emails about a business bothers me as far as the Election statutes are concerned and this clearly a delay tactic added to a list of unseen activity in response to the Recall effort bothers me even more. That fight is at the ballot box and always has been. The public has been smeared enough already.

     
  • meesterbox posted at 10:16 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    meesterbox Posts: 183

    CClavin - I haven't posted in days, but you still have it out for me I see. City insider is a good one. I will add it to the list of inaccurate assumptions along with being on the Council, being a family member of the Mayor, owning property next to the park, etc. I am not sure why you are so bent on who is who. Is that your last line of defense when we post facts and you post paranoid drivel?

    And Timeless said he copied what he typed from another blog. Grasping, grasping, grasping...


     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 10:02 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969

    Littlewest,
    What you are advocating is commonly known as a Which hunt. "Perhaps, if there were more organizers investigated, then maybe evidence of violations of Idaho Code 34-171(d) could be aggregated and filed in a formal complaint..."

    And you do see in the code the little words that says "Knowingly and Willfully" If that fool on the tape, that was promptly dismissed by the recall organization, Thought somehow that a 18% tax increase and that the Nov. election would chose the new representatives, then even He was not in violation of the code. This is all a Red Herring and nothing more.

    Personally I hope they do find a way to stall the inevitable recall certification, that way it will be a November election instead of Aug.

    I firmly believe, the end cost of the park will be much closer or above 40 million than the segregated cost they are touting for phase 1. Since My opinion is that and I truly believe it, I could tell my opinion all day long collecting signatures and not violate the codes. I would not be willfully or Knowingly spreading misinformation. Personally I believe anyone saying it will only cost 18 million is willfully lying, but I can't prove their mindset, it would be impossible and a waste of time and money to complain. But Everyone knows CDA loves to waste Money.

     
  • CClavin posted at 9:51 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    CClavin Posts: 221

    Timeless and Arsaken are you one in the same? This is what Arskaen posted on the Huckleberries
    "Sounds to me like it’s taken this long to wade through the muck and mire put out by RecallCDA. Good that there will be a formal investigation into all of the wrongdoing.

    Calabreze, the city clerk is with whom you file formal citizen complaints. That’s how it works. No grandstanding, just facts. Might try checking yours first."

    Timeless, Arsaken, and Meesterbox are all CITY INSIDERS plain & simple. Timeless show me case law where the City Clerk takes citizen complaints on election law violations. Also since you have access to it please post the complaint and what are the following steps or are you still trying to decide what you should do????

     
  • Gary Ingram posted at 9:43 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    Gary Ingram Posts: 97

    Before publishing this story (with no by-line), shouldn't The CDA Press have interviewed the city clerk in order to let its readers know how the clerk intends to proceed? Shouldn't the story also include more details of the substance of the complaint, especially since it is referred to as a formal complaint?

    As a result of this style of reporting, speculation ratchets up the volume with rumors replacing facts.

     
  • COG777 posted at 9:33 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    COG777 Posts: 340

    Timeless,

    Why do you think prosecutors will not prosecute certain cases? There is NO WAY an impartial anything could happen with one of the mayors appointees. People who work for the city were too afraid to even sign the recall even though they were for it. Maybe that should be investigated.

    Anyway it seems the recall will move forward regardless of this complaint.

     
  • Enough Already posted at 9:30 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    Enough Already Posts: 214

    Surely the city clerk would have a copy handy so if anyone cares to know with certainty what it says and wants to see it with their own eyes go get a copy in the morning.

     
  • Enough Already posted at 9:24 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    Enough Already Posts: 214

    We still don’t know what is in the formal complaint and only assumptions can be made. So far no witnesses, allegations, and incidents, just please investigate them and make then go away. Unless you know something more it may very well be only the one thing formally brought to Mr. Orzell’s attention at this point because nothing else has been reported on with that type of merit and believe me if anything remotely close to that happened the State if Kootenai and then some would know about. Even the one problem went through the County Clerk. It should fully be investigated both ways, nothing for anyone to hide, including violations of Idaho Code 34-1714 (i). Likely somebody blogged about this and that being the facts and they consider that the warning and so called evidence, if so its been taken desperately way to far. A lot right now just does not add up – that’s for sure.

     
  • Uncle Guido posted at 9:21 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    Uncle Guido Posts: 63

    Awww are they not playing fair, Awww trying to corrupt your counterpart to help you retaliate. Awww its ok....... hows it feel to cry foul when nobody listens. Awww, maybe next time they should listen to the people they serve. WE THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN. Next time you look in the mirror just say Awww......

     
  • Littlewest posted at 8:28 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    Littlewest Posts: 15

    Enough Already,
    Could the point of this formal complaint be there are reports of this happening since? Also, not every organizer was investigated when the latest organizer was caught spreading misinformation, so the one organizer that was caught can’t be labeled a rouge organizer when not every organizer is investigated. Perhaps, if there were more organizers investigated, then maybe evidence of violations of Idaho Code 34-171(d) could be aggregated and filed in a formal complaint similar to the one filed today.

     
  • Timeless posted at 8:25 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    COG777,

    In your perfect world, who would that " someone" be?

     
  • COG777 posted at 8:17 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    COG777 Posts: 340

    Timeless,

    Maybe they are concerned about the corruption and know for a fact that the City Clerk is going to side every-time with the Mayor.

    If it was handled rightly by someone else without ties to the Mayor and some impartial agency maybe a counter complaint would be filed.

    I actually think it is good for the re call effort that the anti-recallers keep insulting the people and their intelligence.

     
  • COG777 posted at 8:14 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    COG777 Posts: 340

    I really do not know about the 18% property tax increase, I have only heard about it from the anti-recallers. I do know that taxes for the services provided to LCDC projects have to be made up by the citizens for services for sometimes 20 to 30 years. Furthermore, the anti-recallers are not telling the truth they are attempting to make it sound like ONLY money for the first phase is the total cost.

     
  • Littlewest posted at 8:03 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    Littlewest Posts: 15

    COG777,
    I think they are spouting the cost of Phase One because that’s what is being built, which doesn’t cost 40 million. However, I can’t help but notice you avoided the misinformation of a 18 percent property tax increase and voters choosing the replacements in November.

     
  • Enough Already posted at 7:56 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    Enough Already Posts: 214

    Court officials and the County Clerk are considered law enforcement. In the municipal city code Idaho Code 50-403 denotes the county clerk of the county is the chief elections officer and shall exercise general supervision of the administration of the election laws in the city for the purpose of achieving and maintaining a maximum degree of correctness, impartiality, efficiency and uniformity.

     
  • Timeless posted at 7:44 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    FYI , copied from another blog.......

    CClavin,

    the city clerk is with whom you file formal citizen complaints. That’s how it works. No grandstanding, just facts. Might try checking yours first.

     
  • Timeless posted at 7:39 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    If the Recallers are innocent of spreading misinformation, they should welcome an investigation.

    What are you all afraid of?

     
  • Enough Already posted at 7:38 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    Enough Already Posts: 214

    Yep one organizer, and then both parties were contacted for comment when that happened and then we haven’t heard of any reports of that happening since. Law enforcement was also contacted so what is really going on with this deal?

     
  • COG777 posted at 7:37 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    COG777 Posts: 340

    Littlewest,

    What is the total of the McEuen Park and how many phases? They had approved the plan for close to 40 million. The cost that the anti-recall are spouting is ONLY the cost for Phase One.

     
  • COG777 posted at 7:35 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    COG777 Posts: 340

    It would seem as Jennifer Drake believes the citizens are too stupid to know what they want. All anyone has to follow is the last election. But then again I guess Jennifer and friends probably think the citizens are too stupid to vote. The ruling class elite should rule over the citizens as they know best.....NOT!

     
  • CClavin posted at 7:33 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    CClavin Posts: 221

    In all my born years I have never heard such a thing a complaint filed with the clerk???? First of all the City Clerk & Mayor Bloem are very....very...and I mean very close friends. The clerk should have refered it to another agency like the Kooteani County Pros. Office. If in fact there was a complaint taken in the first place. Who would investigate it Mike Gridley?????? or would he hire that out?????

    Desperate people do desperate things and I have a feeling it is only going to get worse this summer. Still shaking my head at the actions of Jennifer "Pita-Pit" Drake and Mike "Get in your face" Kennedy.

     
  • Littlewest posted at 7:28 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    Littlewest Posts: 15

    Okay…I’ll play devil’s advocate. Was it not even a month ago when a Recall organizer confirmed that a recall petitioner was giving inaccurate information? Specifically, 18 percent property tax increase, $40 million project cost and a promise of voters choosing the replacements in November.

     
  • Enough Already posted at 7:24 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    Enough Already Posts: 214

    I guess we can only assume what the content of the formal complaint is because the Press doesn’t mention omitting anything and the article lists the name concluding the reference to the City doing the investigation. This could be all of it and if not why was nothing else mentioned at all? You would think someone from the Press would have contacted Jennifer Drake and the City Clerk immediately for comments.

    Violations of the law need to be reported to Law Enforcement by not doing that implies avoiding filing a false police report. I thought targeting some of the local businesses was bad enough but the desperation to stop the inevitable is just unreal. If anything Idaho Code 34-1714 (i) is what should be investigated by a Special Prosecutor.

     
  • bullman3 posted at 6:47 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    bullman3 Posts: 142

    The charges for any wron doing should be directed at the city council. They are not representing the people.

     
  • bullman3 posted at 6:45 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    bullman3 Posts: 142

    Boy the hired hands are workin hard. Must be makin some nervious.? 2 page spread in CDA press about the wonderful LCDC group. Who pays for this.?

     
  • Enough Already posted at 6:43 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    Enough Already Posts: 214

    Totally bizarre and just plain wrong to ask the City Clerk for an investigation where the Mayor and Council members are a party to the Recall. Then to offer no evidence at least in so far as the article - WOW. Who exactly and when exactly provided notice of misinformation and was the Recall group informed about wrongful information that was directed to Mr. Orzell’s attention?? What exact misinformation are they talking about? Then who exactly spread any so called misinformation? Some compliant – Boy!

    Somebody also needs to look close at Idaho Code 59-702 It is hereby declared that the position of a public official at all levels of government is a public trust and it is in the public interest to:
    (2) Assure independence, impartiality and honesty of public officials in governmental functions;
    (5) Prevent special interests from unduly influencing governmental action; and
    (6) Assure that governmental functions and policies reflect, to the maximum extent possible, the public interest.

    Totally unethical for the City to respond to this Special Interest group influencing action that cannot be impartial and independent. Absent hard cold facts that exist right now with a paper trail outlining those involved getting there a Special Prosecutor should be appointed to seek slander and defamation of character.

     
  • IdahoNative posted at 6:25 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    IdahoNative Posts: 43

    Yet another ridiculous letter written regarding something so obvious. ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz!

     
  • cd1013 posted at 6:23 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    cd1013 Posts: 244

    well done JoeIdaho...

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 6:20 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Councilman Kennedy has been working overtime trying to protect his career as he represents the business interest in the downtown core. He has participated in the stalking and harrassing of those who are collecting signatures. I believe this is in violation of State of Idaho code.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:17 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    "Desperation
    Oh we're just spending your money
    It flows from us like honey
    And we care less what you say'

    Cuz we're a dumb one
    I tell ya we got our reasons
    Those changes you're feeling
    Are just us spendin your dough......

    Don't yer wallets get thin when we're round you;
    Takin yer money is the thing we doo...
    Hard to tell the recallers from the rest.....

     
  • kimknerl posted at 6:14 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    kimknerl Posts: 286

    Could someone hand Jennifer a box of tissues?

     
  • cd1013 posted at 6:02 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    cd1013 Posts: 244

    I hope that these "mistruths and fallacies" are detailed in this "formal compliant". Now all sing along, (use the melody from The Eagles "Desperado")...
    Desperation,
    we have no other option,
    then to put up a road block to stop this RECALL. Feel free to add more verses.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 5:57 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    ANYTHING to help out the good ol boys....R E C A L L
    "Boot 'em out!"

     
  • mister d posted at 5:55 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    mister d Posts: 1531

    Looks like the anti recallers are getting desperate now that the signature numbers appear to be met. They will stop at nothing to silence our vote.

     
  • justinian posted at 5:53 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    justinian Posts: 318

    Really? A complaint to the City Clerk? What a joke. That office has no authority, no enforcement powers, just a friendly face.

    The first FACT: The Mayor has a significant leadership role.
    The second FACT: She has had every opportunity to try and resolve this.
    The third FACT: She has chosen instead to be the tiebreaker in vote after vote defying the call for an advisory vote.
    The final FACT: This recall could have been avoided by good and patient and honest leadership
    CONCLUSION: The Mayor has failed to lead.

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 5:53 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969

    It will be interesting to see if they can come up with any, any , any Proof of the organization orcastrating the independent opinions of the petition gathers. On Individuals it's a hard law to prove, against an organization almost impossible. But this is great further evidence of attempted coersion by "Stop the recall" people.

    Where is the "formal complaint" shouldn't the Press have included that in this article if it had any News Worthiness?

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 5:47 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Another attempt to silence the voters.

     
  • Timeless posted at 5:25 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    Good.

     
  • NoName posted at 5:25 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

    NoName Posts: 253

    Really? Let me get you some cheeeeeeeeese with that whine!

     
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