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Official: Facility has lack of room to manage higher-risk prisoners

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Posted: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 12:00 am

COEUR d'ALENE - Facing an overcapacity of inmates with violent temperaments, the Kootenai County jail has resumed shipping inmates to out-of-county facilities.

As of Monday, 16 Kootenai inmates were being housed in the Nez Perce County jail in Lewiston.

That number looks to go up, said Maj. Travis Chaney with the county sheriff's department.

"Our situation is critical, and it's only going to get worse," Chaney said. "You can keep putting off the inevitable, but that doesn't change the picture. We have to have more jail space."

Although the 319 inmates in Kootenai County jail on Monday were just under the facility's 325-bed capacity, Chaney said the problem lies with lack of room to safely manage higher-risk prisoners.

Jail policy calls for those classified with medium-high or high aggressive status to be placed in hard lock-down cells, segregated from the general population that lives in an open dormitory.

This is both safer and easier for staff to manage, Chaney said.

But due to a rise in inmate population in the last two months, the medium-high risk cell pods are packed, with two beds to a cell and, in desperate times, inmates sleeping on the floor.

"We try to avoid that," Chaney said. "Tension is high at that point. And when tension is high, it affects everyone's safety."

Least ideal is that jail staff has been forced to place medium-high risk inmates with the general population.

"It's putting other inmates in harm's way, and also our staff members," Chaney said. "You have all these alpha males with assaultive behavior, you put them all together, and you think you'll have problems? Yeah. I guarantee you."

Shipping higher risk inmates to Lewiston is the only way to provide a safer atmosphere, he said, though it's neither easy nor cheap.

On top of the $45 a day to house a prisoner in Lewiston, there is also the cost of fuel for the four-hour round trip, as well as overtime, since at least two deputies are required to transport an inmate.

Some inmates trucked to Lewiston haven't been sentenced, added Administrative Sgt. Brad Cox, and they must be driven back and forth for medical evaluations and meetings with attorneys.

"It's a logistical nightmare," Cox said. "We're usually looking at going (to Lewiston) three or four times a week."

The jail staff has predicted the number of inmates housed out of county will rise to 60 this year, which Chaney estimated will cost roughly $1.2 million.

County Commissioner Todd Tondee wasn't surprised by the number.

That's what the county had projected for the cost of shipping out inmates, he said, and what the commissioners warned the public about when a $57 million jail expansion was put on the ballot last year.

Since voters rejected the expansion, Tondee said, now they have to pay for the alternative.

"That's what the voters have said," he said. "This is what was expected, and it's coming to pass."

Commissioner Rick Currie agreed.

"This is not new ground," Currie said, referring to how jail overcrowding has been a problem for several years in Kootenai County. "This is the most economical way to address this at the time. It's not good money management, but we don't have a lot of choice."

He couldn't say if an expansion would be considered again.

"Probably not for some time," Currie said. "The voters have spoken."

The jail is already funneling thousands of individuals to programs as an alternative to incarceration, Chaney said.

Roughly 400 are on a community labor program instead of in jail, for instance, and about 1,000 are on adult misdemeanor probation.

"That's another 1,000 people not behind bars," he said.

Chaney added that 73 percent of Monday's inmates were felons.

"So much of the public thinks we're holding people who shouldn't be here, but those who qualify for alternative incarceration are there already," he said. "People who are here need to be here."

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  • average_Joe posted at 9:12 pm on Sat, Apr 17, 2010.

    average_Joe Posts: 4

    I can guarantee you that these people didn't agree with the laws that put their a$$es in there. Some government snob puts a BS law in place that your everyday average Joe doesn't ever get asked "Hey, you. You're one of the People. What do you think about this law?". So it becomes law without Joe's knowledge or approval, and then Joe breaks it. But Joe's opinion on the whole matter no longer matters. Because now he's a piece of sh!t, stripped of his constitutional rights.

    F#ck you, you can't take away my rights. I am part of "we the people", you mother f#ckers. Who the f#ck are you to tell me sh!t? I'll lock you b@stards up! I didn't vote to put any of these f#ckers in office. What if I don't like any of them? I should be able to vote "New Candidates Required, these ones all suck b@lls". My NON-Vote should count for something. If there were 100 people asked to vote on two candidates: 20 voted for Candidate #1.15 people for Candidate #2. That leaves 65, a gross majority, who didn't want either candiate as their representative.

    But who even votes anymore? It's not going to make two sh!ts how you vote because it all gets twisted and manipulated with electoral votes and all that other sh!t. I don't even really know how it all works, and I am an american citizen. Shouldn't I know this? I guess maybe I'm just ignorant, or I didn't get the memo. No, I didn't graduate HS either. Got my GED though, plus some college. Just didn't do the american history HS equivalent; not that it would matter. I also learned how to divide fractions and sh!t once upon a time, but do you think I could do it now? Shouldn't it be cut and dry, vote for vote, majority rule? Pretty simple, isn't it? Then there would never be all these stupid petty a$$ laws in place to begin with. They're all designed to be revenue generating ordinances. I did a 6 month stretch in a dirty @ss county jail (where I got pissed on because my spot was on the floor next to a toilet) (and where I was exposed to TB), for a first offense of any type; this was a "domestic battery". My crazy a$$ ex wife was up in my face telling me she was going to smash my f#cking b@lls in, so I pushed the B!tch down on her f#cking @ss. That's it. She jumped right back up and kept at it though. Until the cops came, then it was all waterworks and I was the "bad guy". It's funny, I remember thinking how I could cave this b!tches face in when she was up in my face provoking me. I really had to hold back, if it would've been anyone else on earth they would've gotten their eyes dotted. Now looking back, I would've gotten the same charge and the same punishment if I would've beat her senseless. Lesson learned I guess, next time I'll f#ck a b!tch up if she even looks at me wrong. Thanks Uncle Sam, for correcting me with your wonderful system. I must say, I did receive wonderful counseling and mentoring from some of the county's finest individuals, bunk #7 and #26 seemed to talk 24/7 about all kinds of cool illegal sh!t.

    So I pay taxes and get represented by government officials who have my interests in mind? MY "representatives", running MY country? F#CK NO! F#ck them. F#ck this system. If I wanted to domestically batter a b!tch, trust me, I could have beat the living sh!t out of her. But I didn't, and I get 6 months for pushing her out of my face? Why? I'll tell you...

    DUI's, Domestic's, and Probation Violations are the "Meat and Potatoes" for our county jails. That's 90% of the population. It's pathetic. I only saw one dude who really deserved his charge of Domestic Battery, he beat that c#nt with a baseball bat. That's what the law should be used for. Not for everything as simple as placing even a finger on someone else. Seriously, that's what the Judge told me. Even one finger placed on another person who doesn't want to be touched is Domestic Battery. C'mon now. That's ludicrous.

    DUI's: here's a novel idea, instead of fines, jail, public legal resources used, probation, classes, suspensions, and all the other BS that comes with a DUI... Just take the persons vehicle and sell it in an auction. No jail, no fines, just take their f#cking car & sell it!, and that's only if they're driving with one eye kind of a DUI. None of this two beers and you're f#cked BS.

    Probation/Parole: Well here's a laughable system. Designed to keep people in the vicious loop of our legal system. I'd be interested in seeing some numbers on how many people ever come out of their probation/parole without getting violated. Probably like 5% ever really make it through, and that's just because they got lucky and didn't get caught by the P & P Drag Net.

    Suck my @ss america, I'm going to start my own country. I can see it now, "America II, the land of the free, no sh!t". No government overlords ruling with an Iron Fist; fist f#cking my @ss every chance they get. Sucking down my tax dollars for sh!t I don't agree with. Creating a debt (deficit) that I'm somehow responsible for paying back. F#ck that, I didn't do it, you pay it back, you capitol hill retards. You don't know sh!t about the country you try to run. Come kick it with me for a couple of days. Come hang out on the block, or in the trailer park, or the apt complex. No, not a few days. Try a year at least. Then you would see the trickle effect of the sh!t you do to this country.

    Don't even bother replying or rebutting to this post... because I don't give a f#ck what you have to say. I didn't write this to start a debate, but rather to express my sentiment of the pile of sh!t we live in today. Ignore it, or file it on your mental catalogue as "How americans really feel about it."

    average Joe

  • average_Joe posted at 9:12 pm on Sat, Apr 17, 2010.

    average_Joe Posts: 4

    Correctional Institutions? Ha ha ha, LO F'n L! The stupid sh*t we lock people up for needs to be reevaluated. It's funny how there are so many people who are locked up (or have been locked up at some point), that if this country was really "We the People... For the People... By the People...", they wouldn't be locked up! Who's the one sitting up there making all these stringent pr!k laws that suck our wallets clean and leave us to wonder how we got locked up in "the land of the free."

  • average_Joe posted at 8:57 pm on Sat, Apr 17, 2010.

    average_Joe Posts: 4

    Here's a novel idea. Why don't you neanderthals stop putting human beings in cages? One day, even the idea of imprisonment will seem absurd. If you have an open mind, just think about.

    Does it work?

    Does it cost money?

    Does it deter crime?

    Is that acceptable?

    Can we as intelligent civilized people think outside the box?

  • average_Joe posted at 8:55 pm on Sat, Apr 17, 2010.

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  • MMMMMM posted at 12:21 pm on Sat, Apr 17, 2010.

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    I agree that tent city would be a good idea here, at least in the summer. Joe Arpaio (How do you spell his name?) is trying to clean up an area of the country and keep it safe when our federal government refuses to do just that.

    (Can you believe that Janet Napolitano was put in charge of Homeland Security when she allowed so much ruin to Arizona and this country from illegals?!!!!!)

    However, I don't agree that jail should be a living nightmare. Jail should be clean, adequate food, a bed, and here in North Idaho there should be warm clothes. It's my opinion that jail is for the purpose of protecting the rest of society not for punishment. I agree that taking away a person's freedom IS punishment, however, that is not the main purpose of removing someone from other people.

    Some people here argue that minor or non-violent criminals don't belong in jail, but even so-called minor crimes such as possession have a detrimental influence on families and society - - - therefor those criminals need to be removed from other people also.

  • Honest truth posted at 6:45 pm on Fri, Apr 16, 2010.

    Honest truth Posts: 10

    Kconner, you are absolutely wrong. There is actually direction from admin. that there must be circumstances in order to arrest. PLUS THERE IS LAW STATING SO!

  • camo freak posted at 2:18 pm on Fri, Apr 16, 2010.

    camo freak Posts: 5

    57 Million...........is this a jail or Amuzement Park. Ship 'em to Tent City. Shouldn't a Jail be a place that when you go there should be a living nightmare so it makes 'em clean up their act and straighten up. A slap on the wirst and a slap in the face of the taxpayers. If you want my vote come up with a reasonable price and not a 57 Million price tag for some wrong doers. People can change i've seen it. Sometimes they need a wake up call.

  • MMMMMM posted at 7:53 am on Fri, Apr 16, 2010.

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    Ah, I see. You're probably right Kconner. I hadn't thought of that.

  • Kconner posted at 4:42 am on Fri, Apr 16, 2010.

    Kconner Posts: 327

    MMMM, I think krisiun1 wants to know because her doper boyfriend hasn’t been home in 3 days, maybe he’s in jail?.

  • MMMMMM posted at 12:31 pm on Thu, Apr 15, 2010.

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    Why, Krisian1?

  • Krisiun1 posted at 10:15 pm on Wed, Apr 14, 2010.

    Krisiun1 Posts: 37

    How many are in for possession of Marijuana or paraphernalia?

  • greyhound2 posted at 5:55 pm on Wed, Apr 14, 2010.

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    Whoops. Warehouse is spelled warehouse, not warehourse. Typo, Sorry.

  • Kconner posted at 5:26 pm on Wed, Apr 14, 2010.

    Kconner Posts: 327

    Thank you MMMMM

  • greyhound2 posted at 5:03 pm on Wed, Apr 14, 2010.

    greyhound2 Posts: 897

    All you have to do is to transport those in jail awaiting trial on non-violent, victimless crimes to Lewiston, then complain about the excess charges of transport for attorney hearing, court appearances, the cost of two deputies to transport a 4-hour round trip two or three times a week, then try to explain how spending $57 million on an even larger, more enhanced and deluxe warehourse for inmates on drug charges, woud be a good deal for the county property owners! Something even proponets of the "big lie techinique" would giggle over.

  • milburnschmidt posted at 4:34 pm on Wed, Apr 14, 2010.

    milburnschmidt Posts: 1160

    This is a outrage these poor inmates are getting hosed by a uncaring system and its picking on them. I urge all in jail or who are thinking of committing a crime to boycott the system. If you are a dead beat dad or mom catch up on your payments and stay current that will treach them.If you are a professional or ameteur thief in a on the job training for felonies drop out and get a job. Think of how the criminal justice system will collapse. Instead of killing time waiting for a probation officer get a job,the census is hiring. Its about time our local jail birds and ex members get organised and behave themselves and watch those judges and lawyers and probation officers go hungry. Jailbirds unite Its about time you folks got a job and behaved and got even. I realize you worked hard day and night to get arrested and to get where you are but a boycott is your sweet revenge.

  • MMMMMM posted at 3:21 pm on Wed, Apr 14, 2010.

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    Well, how about that, Kconner!! You put a smile on my face! Agreement from you pleases me.

  • Kconner posted at 2:58 pm on Wed, Apr 14, 2010.

    Kconner Posts: 327

    Watchdog, I must agree with MMMM, if you wouldn’t commit crimes, you wouldn’t be in jail. I have no sympathy for ghetto trash criminals, you deserve what you get. Don’t whine about the fines, that is your way of paying for YOUR violations so society doesn’t have to pay for YOUR mistakes. You said there are people in custody for spitting on the sidewalk. I checked the jail roster and could not find any such people / crimes in custody. Yes, being in jail sucks, but if you would have been a decent, law abiding citizen, you’d be at home watching TV. Sure, the system is not perfect, but nothing ever is. You have no idea how understaffed every department is. So, the next time you want to whine and complain at someone, look in the mirror. And tell me, which one of these “Silly requirements” for probation is so hard for you? – Don’t use drugs, don’t use alcohol, don’t commit any crimes?

  • MMMMMM posted at 2:03 pm on Wed, Apr 14, 2010.

    MMMMMM Posts: 2749

    Watchdog, you are just another whining inmate who doesn't like "the system". Did it ever occur to you that the probation dept is way UNDERstaffed, and cannot always accommodate you as they would like?

    Instead of spending so much time criticizing the system and being somewhat boastful about having "been there", why don't you just obey the law? What a concept, huh? If it's illegal to spit on the sidewalk then don't do that.

    Like it or not, our laws are mostly black and white with few shades of gray. Lots of people don't like that - - - like a 9 year old, they complain that "he was badder than I was"!

    But, on the plus side, with the laws being mostly black and white, it makes it much easier for you to know exactly what the law is. Doesn't require a lot of judgment other than deciding to BE law abiding.

    So, if you want to play around the edges of what's legal and what's not, be prepared to take your lumps like a man. (If you are one.)

  • WatchDog posted at 12:01 pm on Wed, Apr 14, 2010.

    WatchDog Posts: 1

    You need to go throught the system to know the system. It IS mismangement by the police force and all the departments associated with it. First there is a fee for everything. Found guilty, there's a fine. Put in jail - fee of $300. Counciling required to get out early $1300. Now, the mis management: the probation department people are never in theri offices. They make appointments with their "clients" but are never in the office. You sit and wait for up to 6 hours before they admit the probation officer isn't coming in. In jail, probation is supposed to evaluate you before court - can take up to a month before they get to you. They are supposed to do an "exit evaluation" - there are inmates in for spitting on the sidewalk waiting for 27 days and more for that exit talk. Once you are in the system, they give you impossible appointments, silly requirements, etc. so you can fail your probation and stay in the jail system for years. The cops arrange for the Press and TV stations to come in and view the overcrowding, then they move prisoners into one pod until they inmates are all elbows and butts - oooo look how crowded they are. Our taxes are paying for the upkeep of these "minor leaguers". They should be released on time, not kept in the system. The departments need to be overhauled and employees should get a refresher on what they're jobs actualy are. If you vote for that new jail, you are a fool. Before anyone jumps MY case about the truth, I've been there in and out. Have you?

  • Kconner posted at 8:14 am on Wed, Apr 14, 2010.

    Kconner Posts: 327

    Honest truth, you should look at the inmate roster. It details all inmates and what crimes they are in custody for. A solid 30% are misdemeanors. EVERY KCSD Sgt. I’ve dealt with insist that ALL misdemeanor suspects be BOOKED, not cite released. I fact, when Deputies have tried to cite released people, they get their a$$ chewed by some person who has no business being a supervisor in the first place. A VERY amateur agency!

  • Honest truth posted at 8:48 pm on Tue, Apr 13, 2010.

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    You might want to check the truth before you begin spilling lies. KCSD does cite and release for most misdemeanors. In fact they only arrest in according to state law and case studies when the defendant shows he has failed to appear or other circumstances. Please check your facts before spewing lies. (By the way, recent case law says you will not arrest unless you have one of those circumstances you preach for.)

  • Rogue Cop posted at 7:41 pm on Tue, Apr 13, 2010.

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    XRGRSF posted at 11:13 am:
    "People are afraid to go out at night. Not because of the criminals, but because of the cops."

    Really? I'm out quite often at night and I see literally thousands of folks out and about carrying on, unafraid. So if they're not afraid of criminals, it must be because the cops are doing their jobs. If they were afraid of the cops, they wouldn't be out there.

    I'm not saying there aren't legitimate concerns about politicians, jails, and the justice system in general, but whacko statements like, "People are afraid to go out at night. Not because of the criminals, but because of the cops", does nothing to support your position because it's strictly hyperbole and shows you have no credibility.

  • Kconner posted at 1:05 pm on Tue, Apr 13, 2010.

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    Ponder, that is actually very incorrect. The court fines, jail booking fees, penalties, etc. do not even come close to covering the cost for law enforcement, court cost, prosecutors / public defenders, jails (Both facility and staffing), probation, parole, etc.. If it did, it would be considered revenue neutral and the system would pay for itself. The fines and monies brought in are VERY SMALL compared to the amount of the actual cost. If you like, I would be more than happy to walk you through an example of the process from arrest to conviction, and then add the trivial fine amount which would only cover a small portion of the actual cost. To many people think that because the defendant had to pay a fine, that goes to some kind of profit. But, you have no idea of the cost incurred to get there.

  • MMMMMM posted at 1:00 pm on Tue, Apr 13, 2010.

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    Oh good grief, I'm unhappy with the system too, but don't you think that lawyers and
    defendents are just a reflection of our society and especially our politicians in Washington?

    - - - - - -

    Ponder, you have a mistaken idea of the purpose of jail. Going to jail isn't meant to be a deterrent to crime. The purpose of jail is to protect the rest of us. The last sentence in this article explains the reason for jail: "People who are here need to be here."

  • Ponder posted at 12:39 pm on Tue, Apr 13, 2010.

    Ponder Posts: 11

    The entire jail, prison, sheriff deputies, court system, judges, lawyers, bail bondsman, etc. is a money making business. Maybe during these times this business is making a profit.

    Prisoners sleeping on the floor, so sad. I thought going to jail was to be a deterrent to crime?

  • Kconner posted at 12:29 pm on Tue, Apr 13, 2010.

    Kconner Posts: 327

    Most of the Kootenai County jail “Overcrowding” is due to their own mismanagement and poor policy making. Nearly every other agency across the U.S. has a “Cite and release” policy, whereas non-violent misdemeanor crimes can be cited in the field and a court date given. For example, you could cite the suspect for such crimes as driving while suspended, shoplifting and other non-violent misdemeanor crimes. There are situations where you should take the subject into custody, such as if he has a history of failure to appear, not from the area and unlikely to return for court, etc.. But, KCSD books everyone, no matter how minor the offense is. This is a huge mismanagement of resources. I have worked for several agencies and KCSD is the ONLY one I have ever seen with such an arrest policy. This serves no purpose other than for the SD to cry “Overcrowding” and keep trying to get the voters to vote for a new jail.

    If the SD were to adopt a cite and release policy for non-violent misdemeanor crimes, the jail population would decrease by approximately 30% based on the current inmate violations. Did you know that in Idaho, you can be arrested and booked for a second offense of driving without insurance? Trust me, the incompetent supervision at KCSD insist that deputies book such violations. Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely believe in accountability, but do you believe someone should be booked into jail for such a crime?

    This is nothing more than for KCSD to say how overcrowded they are and Rocky, the most useless Sheriff to have existed, to parade “Arrest” numbers to the public. I consider KCSD a very amateur agency with horrendous leadership.

  • milburnschmidt posted at 12:13 pm on Tue, Apr 13, 2010.

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    Good Grief you are right on anyone who has been mixed up in the legal system should be unhappy. It makes the TV show lets make a deal look like pikers. As a former juror Im sure you are aware that the truth is the last thing wanted in a jury trial and more work is spent keeping facts out than bringing the truth in. The only way to fight a unfair system is to shine light on it. If a improper arrest is made put a name on the officer rather than the Police in general. If some officers are making bad arrests the only way to stop them is give them the publicity they dont want and make the Dept aware they have a problem. naming them in public letters or complaints is something no one can withstand over time. There are always a few who use bad judgement and mishandle situations but the majority do a good job under difficult circumstances. As far as the lure of money coming in from arrests the city fathers or commisioners are the ones responsible for that and must be taken to task. Sometimes innocents are arrested and released but remember Police work is kind of like playing showdown poker you can only play the cards you are dealt and its the proscecutor who decides whether a case should be pursued and taken to trial and a judge or jury to decide if it was right. Victims lie,witnesses,lie, suspects lie and families lie and on rare occasions police lie but they are risking a job,career or jail if they are caught. It seems the few who are afraid to go out at night who fear arrest are doing something the rest of us arent . The only reason some stay in jail for up to a year is because of legal maneuvering by their lawyer and plea barganing which can take time. They do have a right to a speedy trial but have to have agreed to the delay otherwise they could get a hearing. Its not perfect but some would say its tilted to the arrested to much. Its not perfect but its what we have.Its easier to stay out of trouble than to get in it..

  • sharetheplanet posted at 11:34 am on Tue, Apr 13, 2010.

    sharetheplanet Posts: 809

    excellent post TomKatt !

    And yes XRGRSF, this area is well known for politics being nothing more than business. Just ask r own city council members that have made these claims.

  • XRGRSF posted at 11:13 am on Tue, Apr 13, 2010.

    XRGRSF Posts: 168

    Ah yes, more whining from the gulag. Let me be certain I have this right; you bums have around 1,400 more people you could put in jail if you just had the room? Don't you predatory parasites, in the justice industry, undertand that people are catching on to you.
    People are afraid to go out at night. Not because of the criminals, but because of the cops. One tiny mistake, anything that draws the attention of the predators, and a person becomes grist for the legal mill. Thousand$ of dollar$ for lawyer$, busine$$ for cop$, judge$, & jailer$. We are at risk, our children are at risk, and our friends are at risk because at any moment they may become the hapless victims of an evil, oppressive grinding, destroying justice industry. ENOUGH !!!

  • TomKatt posted at 10:59 am on Tue, Apr 13, 2010.

    TomKatt Posts: 125

    30% of the USA jail population are illegal aliens.

    The state of Oklahoma recently passed a law making it illegal with criminal penalties to hire or rent to illegals, the state lost over half of it's illegals in the first 6 months.

    Individual counties have passed similar laws with similar results, why cannot our commissioners do the same? A heck of a lot cheaper than $57 million and we lose a big part of the aggressive undesirable criminal underclass, a win-win situation....

  • Oh good grief posted at 10:24 am on Tue, Apr 13, 2010.

    Oh good grief Posts: 21

    I guess I am a little bias with the whole system. While I have never been in trouble with the law myself, I have been to jury duty several times and everytime it has left me with a sickening view of how the system works.
    We have people in jail for several months, some almost a year waiting for court to determine if they are guilty of anything at all.
    Lives are destroyed because of this cash cow that "Milburnshmidt" speaks of.
    I know some people really are bad people that deserve to be there. But many are not, many are completely innocent, get wrongfully arrested, and accused of things they never did, yes even DUIs.
    I have seen dashcam videos of people that get pulled over for nothing, pass field sobriety tests, then get arrested anyway, I think its a fairly common thing to be guilty until proven innocent.
    I think if these polititians put the effort into cleaning up the system instead of trying to expand on what is already broken, people might have a better opinion of our law enforcement, the legal system in general, and be more apt to shell out the cash for projects that help make our community better, not worse.

  • milburnschmidt posted at 9:01 am on Tue, Apr 13, 2010.

    milburnschmidt Posts: 1160

    Oh Good Grief is a little vague in the charges brought up. Many defendants tried are there based on charges brought by civilians against them. It takes a jury or court to adjudicate them. Some are innocent others just didnt have sufficient evidence to prove they were guilry. I doubt if the majority of those in jail are innocent.I dont believe driving after midnite is worthy of a arrest unless you are a juvenile or have been drinking methinks you exaggerate or mislead. I do agree that with the money brought into the system by DUI arrests the trend has been to keep lowering the standard to find one under the influence through administered tests. This is a cash cow for defense lawyers,courts and all branches of the criminal justice system. As a retired policeman I found the trend was moving to increase revenue thru ticket quotas as my city got more out of each ticket. The bean counters kept increasing the budget by raising the numbers of tickets needed to meet those projections. This was contrary to our policies in the previous 20 years. DUI arrsts were also drooled over and while DUI driving is a problem worthy of attention the primary motivation was to bring in the money. I decided to retire after this it was contrary to my view on giving $75 tickets when a warning was sufficient.If this is part of the jails problems there are other alternatives to mandatory sentences such as work release centers or other types of punishment. Good grief what you see as a BS case in court might be very serious to the victim and everyone has a different definetion of BS. The jail has no part in the legal system you complain about it only deals with the outcome. Two different problems. If we left the problem to you it seems we would have a larger problem you sound a little inclined to the side we want protection against. I would bet you were a benefactor of what you call BS arrests or violations.

  • deecee posted at 9:01 am on Tue, Apr 13, 2010.

    deecee Posts: 128

    Wrongful arrest? DUI's that aren't legitimate?
    That's easy ...do they not give sobriety test? Where I reside it would be virtually impossible to arrest somebody for a DUI if they weren't loaded, even if it was after 12:00a.m. Oh Good Grief!
    Your jails & prisons are full of Meth addicts.

  • Oh good grief posted at 7:31 am on Tue, Apr 13, 2010.

    Oh good grief Posts: 21

    If another vote was held today, it would be voted down again.
    Too many people know better how the system works. Jurors are leaving court discusted at the BS cases that they are pulled away from work for. You cant arrest innocent people, without their families, friends, and jurors, (all voters) finding out about it.
    For every wrongfull DUI arrest where the only thing the defendant did wrong was driving after midnight, there is probably 25-50 voters effected negatively.
    I think most people feel like the so called legal system, is a for-profit business gone out of control.
    Stiffling the taxpayers with a 50mil dollar boondogle so more of them can be arrested for fabricated BS that will make local polititians rich. Whats not to like about that?

  • sharetheplanet posted at 7:00 am on Tue, Apr 13, 2010.

    sharetheplanet Posts: 809

    Alas, as with the animal shelter we have a no kill law!

  • TakeBackTheUSA posted at 5:36 am on Tue, Apr 13, 2010.

    TakeBackTheUSA Posts: 765

    Ah yes, the campaign begins. Currie and his fellow socialists will ram a new $50M jail down our throats by whatever method they can dream up.

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