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Posted: Saturday, April 24, 2010 12:00 am | Updated: 9:46 am, Fri Nov 16, 2012.

COEUR d'ALENE - It's an Arizona law that one Idaho senator wants to copy.

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signed into law the nation's toughest legislation against illegal immigration Friday, a measure that supporters said would take handcuffs off police but which opponents said could violate people's civil rights.

Among the bill's proponents is Sen. Mike Jorgenson, who has worked with the bill's sponsor, Arizona Sen. Russell Pearce, on immigration legislation for Idaho.

The Hayden Lake Republican has unsuccessfully pitched local immigration legislation but said Arizona's law could create enough momentum to push those proposals through next year.

"I'm just tickled to death with what they're doing," Jorgenson said. "One of these days I think Idaho's going to look back and say 'I wish this had happened sooner.'"

The Arizona bill would make it a crime to be in the country illegally, and require police officers to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they are illegal immigrants.

In Coeur d'Alene, business owner Manuel Arceo said he would worry about the consequences of Idaho adopting the law.

"They could use it as threatening to dark-skinned people, but another would be the consequence it has on labor. Where are those immigrants going to go? Mexico? I don't think so. They're just going to spread out."

That shifting workforce would be harder for states to replace, he said, and instead of helping the economy, businesses - especially agriculture and large factories - would suffer.

Those jobs could be harder to fill than what the country realizes.

"It's a hard topic," Arceo said. "It's never going to end, and I understand (Arizona's) point, but on the other hand, we're shooting ourselves in the foot. Things could get more expensive, with companies leaving the country for cheaper labor, or shutting down."

Jorgenson's proposals have been to implement the first step in Idaho - E-Verify for employers. Now that Arizona is moving farther with the process, Jorgenson said Idaho should look at picking up the bills.

"Call me an eternal optimist," Jorgenson added. "I expect sometime in the future it will be passed in Idaho."

But opponents say giving police that power could lead to racial profiling.

Employers check for people coming to them for work, whereas police could potentially use it on anyone, at any time.

"I'm a big supporter of the Fourth Amendment," said Rep. George Sayler, D- Coeur d'Alene, on the measure which constitutionally protects people against unreasonable searches and seizures. "I would be opposed to the law (in Idaho). I don't think our situation is that serious to do something that drastic."

Instead, immigration reform should be left to the federal government, he said.

In his push to get E-Verify on the books, Jorgenson said illegal immigration costs Idaho $200,000 annually and 67,000 jobs.

He called the law "attrition through enforcement," meaning police wouldn't necessarily weed illegal immigrants out, rather they would leave on their own knowing they must prove their status to both employers and officers.

"It could be a political hot potato," Jorgenson said, referring to potential civil rights violations under the law, but likening it more to producing identification when making a major purchase with a credit card. "It might lead to those things, but the Obama Administration is reluctant to enforce anything."

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  • 2mato posted at 9:59 am on Fri, May 7, 2010.

    2mato Posts: 22

    [smile]

     
  • Rogue Cop posted at 4:12 pm on Mon, May 3, 2010.

    Rogue Cop Posts: 2270

    Is this the official hASS emoticon:[scared]?

     
  • Rogue Cop posted at 4:56 pm on Sun, May 2, 2010.

    Rogue Cop Posts: 2270

    Well hASS proved, among other things, that freedom of speech is enjoyed by the insane as well as clear-thinking Americans.

    What if it took Bush 8 DAYS to dispatch federal resources to the Gulf Coast to deal with the oil leak? 8 FREAKING DAYS? That's easy...the template would've been that Bush CAUSED the leak to raise oil prices so Cheney could make millions. Lil Boy BLOBAMA must've been too busy to respond to the worst environmental disaster in our nation's history, but George Bush hated black people...that's why Katrina happened.

     
  • Hassss posted at 4:14 pm on Sun, May 2, 2010.

    Hassss Posts: 760

    Please RC and RadRev.................SHOW US WHERE YOU CAN PROVE OUR PRESIDENT IS NOT A US BORN CITIZEN......OR SHUT THE HECK UP!!!!!!!!!!!.


    PLEASE BOYS....Please....please show the world, the citizens or AGAIN shut the heck up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Uh, OH...........MAGNUM IS AT 950 POSTS.........MAG...MAG, MAG...MAG...GO MAGNUM/MAGMA...GO, GO, GO, GO!!!!!!!!!!! AND, THE LITTLE MAGNUM/MAGMA IS STILL BEING SO CREATIVE WITH HIS POSTS ABOUT ME........GO MAGNUM/MAGMA.....GO!

     
  • Hassss posted at 4:03 pm on Sun, May 2, 2010.

    Hassss Posts: 760

    RC... go back overseas and play your I SPY GAMES.

     
  • Hassss posted at 4:00 pm on Sun, May 2, 2010.

    Hassss Posts: 760

    Maybe RC is of Hispanic nature and is scared now that...he/she can be questioned w/o cause!!!!! RC?

     
  • Hassss posted at 3:57 pm on Sun, May 2, 2010.

    Hassss Posts: 760

    RC are you spying right now? Show me name calling RC. Please tell me where of late I have called anyone any names RC.

    RC.....go...go....go....to your little world of being a SPY.

    RC your are someone that needs some real love, something I don't think you have ever had RC.

    ROFL

     
  • Rogue Cop posted at 10:26 pm on Fri, Apr 30, 2010.

    Rogue Cop Posts: 2270

    hASS offended at name calling? Now that's rich. The queen of mean who attacks everything and everyone who's not a left wing, socialist loon is shocked by the truth.

    Explain myself to you, hASS. Why, so you can lie and distort what I say? hASS you are a true enigma. Spy this!

     
  • Hassss posted at 4:27 pm on Fri, Apr 30, 2010.

    Hassss Posts: 760

    Hope RC can explain.

     
  • Hassss posted at 4:23 pm on Fri, Apr 30, 2010.

    Hassss Posts: 760

    If anyone needs to prove their citizenship it IS YOU! Why do you call our President names RC? Calling him Blobama. Can you tell me what that name means?

     
  • Hassss posted at 4:18 pm on Fri, Apr 30, 2010.

    Hassss Posts: 760

    What re you talking about RC? Can't prove his citizenship? Why are you still on that subject RC? What ink is still wet RC? What in the heck are you talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     
  • Rogue Cop posted at 10:51 am on Fri, Apr 30, 2010.

    Rogue Cop Posts: 2270

    Sorry, double post, don't know how that happened!

     
  • Rogue Cop posted at 9:24 am on Fri, Apr 30, 2010.

    Rogue Cop Posts: 2270

    Looks like Blobama won't be going to Arizona anytime soon. He can't or WON'T prove his citizenship. Maybe that's why he came out against the Arizona law before the ink was even dry.

     
  • Hassss posted at 7:04 am on Fri, Apr 30, 2010.

    Hassss Posts: 760

    Why would anyone be envious of an adultress RC? Must be right up your alley. I wonder just how many affairs she really had and if her darling little boy is even Todd's offspring.

    The mess has already started, lawsuits, conventions cancelling, it has only just begun.

    MAKE IT A CRIMINAL OFFENSE to hire illegals, start where the problem is, BIG BUSINESS!

     
  • sharetheplanet posted at 3:02 pm on Thu, Apr 29, 2010.

    sharetheplanet Posts: 809

    NastyWorld,
    U have NO IDEA wat a nasty world is until u r overrun with illegal drug runners.
    Thank you Mr Jorgenson!

     
  • Hassss posted at 6:24 am on Thu, Apr 29, 2010.

    Hassss Posts: 760

    Great post NastyWorld.

    Oh, Magma, you are such a cleaver little boy.....POST 935 and erupting Magma. Someone contact Guiness...they won't believe this boy's posts.

     
  • NastyWorld posted at 9:45 pm on Wed, Apr 28, 2010.

    NastyWorld Posts: 1

    O Mr Jorgenson, please tell me where to vote you out of office. How ridiculous that you think this is that big in Idaho...some people might already call this place so non cultural and racist when we encounter people like you, what such boloni to say that "immigrants" take jobs and cost all Americans all their money. Have you ever stoped to think that maybe their are some lazy americans who dont want to work or who choose not to work in these crapy jobs these so called horrible "immigrants" are taking. Have you ever thought that their are some great Hispanics that love americans and will do anything to give a helping hand. Your no better then those "immigrants" I know. "papers" dont make you special and do some more history because this land never belonged to the white Americans to begin with. It belonged to Indians, Aztecan's, Hispanics, whatever you want to call them. Theirs murders in the white race as well as the Latino race. I love Idaho. I hope your law never passes.

     
  • Magnum posted at 4:08 pm on Wed, Apr 28, 2010.

    Magnum Posts: 1065

    REMEMBER ALL


    In certain cases of ENGLISH GRAMMAR

    The "H" IS ALWAYS SILENT!


     
  • Hassss posted at 2:14 pm on Wed, Apr 28, 2010.

    Hassss Posts: 760

    No it does not!

     
  • Rogue Cop posted at 6:22 pm on Tue, Apr 27, 2010.

    Rogue Cop Posts: 2270

    Hassss posted at 8:00 am on Tue, Apr 27 2010.
    "...and RC, yep Otter is still styling with his boyfriend Boehner. How much hair spray do you think they use everyday?"

    Your envy just gets richer hASS. Envious of Palin's looks. Envious that Otter has a boyfriend. And now envious because Otter and Boehner have more hair than you.

     
  • Magnum posted at 3:41 pm on Tue, Apr 27, 2010.

    Magnum Posts: 1065

    ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS FROM ARIZONA

    Plan to move, En mass, to UTAH!


    AFTER UTAH? Very likely IDAHO!!!

    We need protection from an invasion of this kind!

     
  • Magnum posted at 3:22 pm on Tue, Apr 27, 2010.

    Magnum Posts: 1065


    Only in America!

    The following is about immigration, now think about GUN CONTROL!

    GUN CONTROL AND OBAMA:

    DON'T YOU THINK IT MIGHT BE ACCOMPLISHED IN A SIMILAR MANNER???


    LET ME SEE IF I GOT THIS RIGHT.

    IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD
    LABOR.

    IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.

    IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.

    IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.

    IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM
    AGAIN.

    IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY
    AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.

    IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO
    POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.

    IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET

    1 - A JOB

    2 - A DRIVERS LICENSE

    3 - SOCIAL SECURITY CARD

    4 - WELFARE

    5 - FOOD STAMPS

    6 - A BANK AMERICA CARD

    7 - SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE

    8 - FREE EDUCATION

    9 - FREE HEALTH CARE

    10 - A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON

    11 - BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR
    LANGUAGE

    12 - AND THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY'S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH RESPECT

    I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD A FIRM GRASP ON THE SITUATION..


     
  • sharetheplanet posted at 3:01 pm on Tue, Apr 27, 2010.

    sharetheplanet Posts: 809

    OMG Magnum, I read ur last comment about an hour ago and just NOW got it!
    !!!!!!ROFLMAO!!!!!!!

     
  • Magnum posted at 8:20 am on Tue, Apr 27, 2010.

    Magnum Posts: 1065


    REMEMBER ALL

    In certain cases of ENGLISH GRAMMAR

    The "H" IS ALWAYS SILENT!


     
  • Rogue Cop posted at 8:05 am on Tue, Apr 27, 2010.

    Rogue Cop Posts: 2270

    It's all about votes for democrats!

     
  • Magnum posted at 8:00 am on Tue, Apr 27, 2010.

    Magnum Posts: 1065

    SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT!

    WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT: LIBERTY OR THE ENTITY THAT PROTECTS IT?

     
    By Chuck Baldwin
    April 27, 2010
    ( NewsWithViews.com )

    Be Careful How You Answer

    Let me ask readers a question. What's more important: freedom and its undergirding principles, or the entity meant to protect it? A word of caution: be careful how you answer that question, because the way you answer marks your understanding (or lack thereof) of both freedom and the purpose of government.

    Thomas Jefferson--and the rest of America's founders--believed that freedom was the principal possession, because liberty is a divine--not human--gift. Listen to Jefferson:

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men." (Declaration of Independence)

    Jefferson could not be clearer: America's founders desired a land in which men might live in liberty. By declaring independence from the government of Great Britain (and instituting new government), Jefferson, et al., did not intend to erect an idol (government) that men would worship. They created a mechanism designed to protect that which they considered to be their most precious possession: liberty. In other words, the government they created by the Constitution of 1787 was not the object; freedom's protection was the object.

    Again, listen to Jefferson: "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men." In other words, government is not the end; it is the means. Government is not the goal; it is the vehicle used to reach the goal. Nowhere did Jefferson (and the rest of America's founders) express the sentiment that government, itself, was the objective. Listen to Jefferson once more:

    "That whenever ANY FORM OF GOVERNMENT becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." (Declaration) (Emphasis added.)

    Jefferson is clear: people have a right to alter or abolish ANY FORM OF GOVERNMENT that becomes destructive to liberty. To America's founders, there was no such thing as a sacred cow when it came to government. Government had but one purpose: "to secure these rights." When ANY FORM of government stops protecting sacred, God-given liberties, it is the right and duty of people to do whatever they deem appropriate to secure their liberties--even to abolishing the government.

    To America's founders, patriotism had everything to do with the love of liberty, not the love of government!

    Today's brand of patriotism (at least as expressed by many) is totally foreign to the fundamental principles of liberty upon which America was built. I'm talking about the idea that government is an end and aim in itself; the idea that government must be protected from the people; the idea that bigger government equals better government; the idea that criticism of the government makes one unpatriotic; the idea that government is a panacea for all our ills; and the idea that loyalty to the nation equals loyalty to the government. All of this is a bunch of bull manure!

    When government--ANY GOVERNMENT--stops protecting the liberties of its citizens, and especially when it begins trampling those liberties, it has become a "destructive" power, and needs to be altered or abolished. Period.

    Can any honest, objective citizen not readily recognize that the current central government in Washington, D.C., long ago stopped protecting the God-given rights of free men, and has become a usurper of those rights? Is there the slightest doubt in the heart of any lover of liberty that the biggest threat to our liberties is not to be found in any foreign capital, but in that putrid province by the Potomac?

    Therefore, we must cast off this phony idea that we owe some kind of devotion to the "system." Away with the notion that vowing to protect and prolong the "powers that be" makes us "good" Americans. The truth is, there is very little in Washington, D.C., that is worthy of protecting or prolonging. The "system" is a ravenous BEAST that is gorging itself on our liberties.

    Patriotism has nothing to do with supporting a President, or being loyal to a political party, or anything of the sort.

    Is it patriotic to support our country (which almost always means our government), "right or wrong"? This is one of the most misquoted clichés in American history, by the way. Big Government zealots (on both the right and the left) use this phrase often to try to stifle opposition by making people who would fight for smaller government appear "unpatriotic."

    The cliché, "My country, right or wrong," comes from a short address delivered on the floor of the US Senate by Missouri Senator Carl Schurz. Taking a strong anti-imperialist position and having his patriotism questioned because of it (what's new, right?), Schurz, on February 29, 1872, said, "The senator from Wisconsin cannot frighten me by exclaiming, 'My country, right or wrong.' In one sense I say so, too. My country--and my country is the great American Republic. My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right." (Source: The Congressional Globe, vol. 45, p. 1287)

    Schurz then later expanded on this short statement in a speech delivered at the Anti-Imperialistic Conference in Chicago, Illinois, on October 17, 1899. He said, "I confidently trust that the American people will prove themselves . . . too wise not to detect the false pride or the dangerous ambitions or the selfish schemes which so often hide themselves under that deceptive cry of mock patriotism: 'Our country, right or wrong!' They will not fail to recognize that our dignity, our free institutions and the peace and welfare of this and coming generations of Americans will be secure only as we cling to the watchword of TRUE patriotism: 'Our country--when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right.'" (Source: Speeches, Correspondence and Political Papers of Carl Schurz, vol. 6, 1913, p. 119) (Emphasis in original.)

    Amen! In a free society, genuine patriotism demands that our country be RIGHT, as our nation's policies and practices reflects the values and principles of its citizens. To feign some kind of robotic devotion to a nation without regard to sacred principle or constitutional fidelity is to become a mindless creature: at best, to be manipulated by any and every Machiavellian that comes along, or, at worst, to be a willing participant in tyranny.

    As to loyalty to a President merely because he is President, Theodore Roosevelt may have said it best:

    "Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President or any other public official save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country. In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth--whether about the President or anyone else."

    Hence, freedom-loving Americans cannot afford to become infatuated with Washington, D.C. We cannot allow these propagandists on network television to distort the meaning of true patriotism in our hearts.

    Patriotism means we love freedom. It means we understand that freedom is a gift of God. It means we understand that government has only one legitimate function: to protect freedom. It means that our love of liberty demands that we oppose, alter, or even abolish ANY FORM of government that becomes destructive to these ends. And it means that we will never allow government to steal liberty from our hearts.

    As I asked at the beginning of this column, What's more important: freedom and its undergirding principles, or the entity meant to protect it? The right answer is, freedom and its undergirding principles. If you understand that, then you rightly understand that the current government we find ourselves under is in desperate need of replacement. And whatever, however, and whenever that replacement reveals itself is not nearly as important as that liberty is preserved.

    On the other hand, if you mistakenly believe that government (the entity meant to protect liberty) is more important than liberty, you are both tragically deceived and pathetically impotent to preserving freedom. You may also have identified yourself as an enemy of freedom.
     
    As for me and my house, we will stand with Jefferson's Declaration of Independence--in whatever form it may present itself in a modern world bent on dismantling our liberties. In other words, I pledge no loyalty to any government that seeks to destroy our freedom--including the current one!


    © 2010 Chuck Baldwin - All Rights Reserved

     
  • Hassss posted at 8:00 am on Tue, Apr 27, 2010.

    Hassss Posts: 760

    OH MY GOODNESS, Magma has errupted and now spewing his vile propoganda. Who is "they" MAGMA? Your republican party of NO! You are now posting at 901 posts.......are you going for world record MAGMA? See you have a friend, you know the spy boy RC, you two really make great team.

    MMMMMM, what I am saying is how are they going to stop someone and check for ID, what circumstance will this be under. Skin color, what. That is what I am asking. Again, the businesses need to be CHARGED CRIMINALLY, they are the ones that need to be slapped around for hiring illegals in order to pad their own wallets.

    Oh and RC, yep Otter is still styling with his boyfriend Boehner. How much hair spray do you think they use everyday?

     
  • Magnum posted at 7:41 am on Tue, Apr 27, 2010.

    Magnum Posts: 1065

    Remember what is going on is an attempt to disolve the Constitution
    and submit a Soviet style government of OPPRESSION into our
    soverign land!

    THEY DON'T GIVE A D A M N ABOUT illegal aliens any more
    than they give a D A M N about us!

    GIVE ME L I B E R T Y OR GIVE ME DEATH!

    We are to be tested!

    Where do YOU stand?

     
  • sharetheplanet posted at 6:56 am on Tue, Apr 27, 2010.

    sharetheplanet Posts: 809

    Magnum,
    U hit the nail right on the head.
    Excellent post!

     
  • Rogue Cop posted at 10:33 pm on Mon, Apr 26, 2010.

    Rogue Cop Posts: 2270

    Yeah Magnum, you got it right. And the same libs who touted the socialized healthcare bill passed by Congress are whining that the law passed in Arizona will cost money. In other words, don't spend money enforcing the law but hand out free healthcare to millions of illegal aliens. Is that irony or what?

    Bumbama won't do anything about illegal immigration....but he criticizes Arizona for trying to defend it's sovereignty.

    Go ahead hASS find something to say about Otter's hair or maybe the Arizona Governor hasn't hugged her kids today...got to be some personal attack in there somewhere.

     
  • Magnum posted at 9:49 pm on Mon, Apr 26, 2010.

    Magnum Posts: 1065

     
    Only in America!

    LET ME SEE IF I GOT THIS RIGHT.


    IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD
    LABOR.

    IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.

    IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.

    IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.

    IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM
    AGAIN.

    IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY
    AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.

    IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO
    POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.

    IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET

    1 - A JOB

    2 - A DRIVERS LICENSE

    3 - SOCIAL SECURITY CARD

    4 - WELFARE

    5 - FOOD STAMPS

    6 - A BANK AMERICA CARD

    7 - SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE

    8 - FREE EDUCATION

    9 - FREE HEALTH CARE

    10 - A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON

    11 - BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR
    LANGUAGE

    12 - AND THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY'S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH RESPECT

    I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD A FIRM GRASP ON THE SITUATION..

     
  • Rogue Cop posted at 7:23 pm on Mon, Apr 26, 2010.

    Rogue Cop Posts: 2270

    I'm beginning to question anybody who tries to reason with hASS. She's an obtuse loon!

     
  • MMMMMM posted at 3:40 pm on Mon, Apr 26, 2010.

    MMMMMM Posts: 2721

    Hasss, speaking of suspecting someone is illegal, I saw a group of truck drivers from an Eastern European country who were very very very very friendly and polite. What was interesting to me is that they each had an item of clothing on that was a replica of the American flag. I found that really curious since none of them spoke much English. One guy even had pants that looked like a flag. Six (6) foreign men, NO THEY WERE NOT LEGAL, and all wearing our flag. Was meant to throw us off I guess.

    I never found out what was in their trucks, but I do know that Homeland Security was interested in these folks. Hauled them off too.

    - - - - - -

    No one seems concerned any more about the diseases illegals are bringing into our country. Of the Mexicans, Koreans and Chinese illegal aliens I knew about, approximately 70% had positive PPDs. The Korean and Chinese women had other problems in addition to the positive PPD. Potential business girls.

    - - - -

    I am very glad Arizona is finally doing something about this problem since our government has not seen fit to protect citizens of this country.

     
  • MMMMMM posted at 3:29 pm on Mon, Apr 26, 2010.

    MMMMMM Posts: 2721

    Hasss, regarding your comment at 702am. An officer just doesn't look at someone and decide they are illegal. He asks for identification. In almost every encounter you have with a police officer whether it's a traffic stop or another investigation, the officer asks for identification.

    If you don't have identification showing you are legally entitled to be in this country, then you are detained.

    - - - - -
    Since when did profiling get to be a dirty word anyhow? FBI Profilers are praised! Haven't you ever seen a documentary on FBI profilers? Actually airport security has come up with another word for profile - means the same thing. It's just that "profile" is no longer politically correct.

    - - - - -

    The solution to this is EASY! If you're not a US citizen, then either have the proper documents showing you are here legally, or get the h back to your own country quickly!

     
  • RadRevD posted at 2:43 pm on Mon, Apr 26, 2010.

    RadRevD Posts: 3333

    to ALL but t Haassaass...

    Law enofrcement will go down like this:

    A person is pulled over for a traffic infraction or accident. Driver's License and Insurance please?

    Due to racial profiling standards, for you...let me see your bone fide Green Card or Passport & Visa.

    I worked with migrant Hispanics moving irrigation pipe in 1978. Illegal immigration wasn't an issue and neither was human trafficking and influx of drugs. A lot has changed since then. Mexican residents are legally moving into border towns to escape the violence.

    We have a legitimate immigration policy that needs to be enforced federally. If they refuse, it is incumbent upon each state to enact legislation to safeguard the health and welfare of it's citizens.

    to milburnschmidt...rainbow gays will increase usage of that tactic after a report surfaced that one of CDA's finest 'didn't want to arrest their kind'.

     
  • milburnschmidt posted at 11:24 am on Mon, Apr 26, 2010.

    milburnschmidt Posts: 1161

    Hass you little devil you missed my point on the incidents I used. That all falls into the complaints of racial profiling according to those being affected.I know it doesnt but on many occasions I stopped Afro amercans who ran red lights,sped and shot out of their cars and the first thing out of their mouth was you are picking on me because Im black. It happened a lot its a tactic used to put the officer on the defensive and to change the subject. Its the same thing as calling someone who thinks immigrants coming into the U.S. should go through the legal system a Bigot or a hater. They dont want anyone returned to Mexico for any violation of our laws. The constitution does not say anyone who comes here by any means outside our legal immigration system is entitled to stay here with out a challenge. Please show me or quote a court case that says if you come here illegally in violation of our laws thats not a crime. We try to return people whose visas expire or violate their terms of entrance and do a miserable job of that actually . A couple of years ago sean hannity stepped past a US border sign to show how easy it was to enter Mexico. Liberals demanded he be arrested. Why not the same thing for those who cross ours HMMMMMMM???

     
  • Oh good grief posted at 10:32 am on Mon, Apr 26, 2010.

    Oh good grief Posts: 21

    The govt cant give somebody something without taking it from someone else. California is broke because of liberal entitlement programs and those who are there for a free ride. Basicaly they ran out of people to pay for those that dont contribute anything back.
    Arizona has had enough of the govt ignoring its responsibility and is attempting to control of the problem before its too late. Obama calls this irresponsible. Amazing.

    I think if Obama has his way, he will fix the immigration problem. By the end of his term our ecconomy wont have anything to offer anyone, and mexico might just have a flood of Americans moving south to find work, if there are still any American business afloat down there..

     
  • American Patriot posted at 10:27 am on Mon, Apr 26, 2010.

    American Patriot Posts: 4

    IdahoPatriot, the reason Jorgenson's bill didn't pass is because real constitutionalists don't want Real ID

     
  • Hassss posted at 10:14 am on Mon, Apr 26, 2010.

    Hassss Posts: 760

    I agree sharetheplanet. Mil, you make no sense at all. If someone admits they are here illegally and if they WERE STOPPED FOR A VALID REASON, would not be considered racial profiling, come on Mil. And, your comment about not having an ID, well then again if they WERE STOPPED FOR A VALID REASON, then that would not be considered racial profiling. I agree with triumph, AZ has now stepped on the constitution but who cares, it is a republican state.

    Again, the businesses of this country is where to start with HUGE fines for hiring illegals.

     
  • USCITIZEN posted at 8:41 am on Mon, Apr 26, 2010.

    USCITIZEN Posts: 12

    Sharetheplanet apparently did not read my comment. I said the ID's were being STOLEN from their fellow Mexicans. Do we really want these people here? What do you think? If they steal from one another, they are going to steal from us! If you are going to post comments in response to someone else, really read what you are responding to. I agree, employers shoud not hire illegals. I was pointing out that it takes all of us to rid the country of illegals. I wonder how the crime rate is in Florida. They have illegals entering there as well. Cubans, Haitians, whoever can sneak in. As for Triumph stating we need a better way becasue AZ does not comply with the constitution - do you have a better idea? The situation with illegals is out of control. Do you really want people who think nothing of killing a man in front of his children? His babies? That is what happened in Washington just this weekend. Again - Bully for Governor Brewer fo Arizona. I hope other states follow suit and find a backbone!

     
  • milburnschmidt posted at 8:27 am on Mon, Apr 26, 2010.

    milburnschmidt Posts: 1161

    It seems racial profiling is getting a new definetion. Most police dont stop people to see if they are here illegally.They dont have the resources or the inclination to get involved with the process and paperwork. Would it make sense if a car was involved in a traffic accident and on investigating the accident the officer found no one spoke english or had a drivers license. If they admitted they were here illegally would that be racial profiling would opponents of the bill suggest he call one of the immigrant groups to come get them and leave them alone. The same with investigation of any crime if a illegal immigrant is involved do we just forget about it and turn him loose so no one is offended.The opponents say that will stop the reporting of crime. Well what good is reporting or investigating if you cant arrest the suspect for not being here legitimately along with other crimes. You really think we shouldnt send him home. Immigrant groups right now are accusing anyone who opposes this law as bigoted or hateful for expecting our laws to be followed. Hispanics are the largest growing minority in the US and illegals are included in that. no wonder our politicians are squirming to avoid alienating them. The problem is for the next hundred years the Bigot and hater accusation will come up everytime this group wants more benefits or treatment such as reuniting families and bringing them to the U.S.Most americans cringe at being accused of being called a racist or homophobe so they back off at the risk of losing a job or their business. Name me another civilized country that permits illegal entrants to stay in their borders once they are found. If all these protestors are american citizens then ask why they are so interested in protecting those who are here illegally. its a no brainer.

     
  • Triumph posted at 8:05 am on Mon, Apr 26, 2010.

    Triumph Posts: 539

    I think youre right sharetheplanet. Hiring illiegeals is as bad as being here illegeally. It is a problem. However I believe the new law in AZ is not the right way. I think it's not compliant with our constitution. We need another way.

     
  • sharetheplanet posted at 7:59 am on Mon, Apr 26, 2010.

    sharetheplanet Posts: 809

    Hassss,
    Agreed. But the prob is not just a repub/dem issue. I know there are a lot of dems AS WELL AS repubs that hire illegals because do not want to hurt their bottom line.

    It is a greed, not partisian issue and the sooner we ALL stand together on this issue, repub, dem, liberal, conservative, right, left, top, bottom, green or red, the sooner we will get something done.

    Ther IS common gruond somewhere in the middle that makes sense but it will never happen because the right refuses to look to the left and visa versa. It is NOT one sided.

     
  • milburnschmidt posted at 7:55 am on Mon, Apr 26, 2010.

    milburnschmidt Posts: 1161

    We have millions of people who illegally entered our country to work or just live. They can find work. We have 9.7 per cent unemployment who cant or wont find work. These millions of people are primarily from mexico or central american countries who dont speak english. If a policeman encounters a person who has no ID and cant speak english he has to leave them alone because thats racial profiling. Does he have to stop 5 obviously white americans who are obviously citizens before he can arrest a illegal hispanic? For trhose who are in favor of leaving hispanics alone I would ask how many are enough here illegally before they think we have a right to ask. Employers who hire those who cant answer questions in english should be penalized. If you also create a class who feels they are above our laws and to arrest or question them is profiling and off the table we will never be able to . In Mexico the second time a central american illegally enters Mexico he is imprisoned yet they ask us to treat their citizens differently. Go to Mexico if you dare and ask for the same treatment they expect of us. If illegals dont respect our laws coming in what laws will they respect?

     
  • Hassss posted at 7:02 am on Mon, Apr 26, 2010.

    Hassss Posts: 760

    sharetheplanet - I don't disagree with new immigration laws, but think the new legislation in Arizona will only cost more, as there is no way they can look at someone and say......hmmmmmmm, there's an illegal. This will only cause more problems with racial profiling. How does a cop know if they are illegal, and just who are they going to target? We know who, those that aren't white is who. Maybe RC can move to Arizona.

    We need to start by stopping businesses from their illegal hirings, but that won't happen as that would cut into the repubs pockets.

     
  • sharetheplanet posted at 6:40 am on Mon, Apr 26, 2010.

    sharetheplanet Posts: 809

    Hassss,

    11 million illegals aren't already costing millions?

     
  • Hassss posted at 6:09 am on Mon, Apr 26, 2010.

    Hassss Posts: 760

    "taught by your parents....."

     
  • Hassss posted at 6:06 am on Mon, Apr 26, 2010.

    Hassss Posts: 760

    RC, you really know how to hurt someone don't you. Were you raised to be a bully? Were you talked by your parents, if you had any, to be such a mean person? I really do feel sorry for you RC. You spew and say such vile things at me all the time. Does that make you feel like a real man RC? Your life must be a very sad one. That my family hates me, God RC, you really are very sick in the head. Keep it up if that is what you get your jolly's off on. And, it is not just me, anyone that does not think EXACTLY LIKE YOU RC. And you said you were a cop, God have pity on those that encountered your rage!

    And yes I have a wonderful family and many friends, guess you wish you did too, that is why you say such horrible things all the time RC.

    Hey I can slam the nut case Otter, he is worthless and has cost this state millions of dollars. Remember I pay his salary!

    Arizona is a republican state and this new law will cost them MILLIONS!

     
  • sharetheplanet posted at 2:55 pm on Sun, Apr 25, 2010.

    sharetheplanet Posts: 809

    MMMMMM,
    actually not liberal at all. Go to city beach with a bag of potato chips sometime. There is always at least one seagul ready for a hand out. I like to enjoy the beach also but some idiot will come along and start feeding them.
    We need laws to protect us from these idiots that believe in capitalism at any cost even to your and my way of life.

     
  • ranger posted at 1:41 pm on Sun, Apr 25, 2010.

    ranger Posts: 215

    Elimination of white race program status report.

    Step 1: Democratization - Complete

    Step 2: Dispossession - Complete

    Step 3: Disenfranchisement – In progress

    Step 4: White Genocide – In progress

    South African Farmer (Boer) genocide is almost completed. Preliminary statistics show that the same model will work in America and Europe.


     
  • Rogue Cop posted at 1:38 pm on Sun, Apr 25, 2010.

    Rogue Cop Posts: 2270

    MMMM, You clarified your position. And you're right, I don't buy any of the excuses. I'm of the mind that you have free will and you're responsible for your acts...unless you're of the liberal mindset that rewards bad behavior.

     
  • MMMMMM posted at 1:25 pm on Sun, Apr 25, 2010.

    MMMMMM Posts: 2721

    We're in agreement, Rogue Cop. I stressed personal responsibility and accountability because sharetheplanet was so willing to place all the blame on employeers.

    - - - -

    Fences, gates, locks, cameras, barred windows and doors all cut down on crime. My opinion is that we don't want to welcome criminals into our country. We aren't to blame because they are criminals. I still think that criminals rarely change. The liberal attitude is that once these poor people are here and working they will become responsible citizens. I don't believe that. And, that doesn't take into account the murderers, drug dealers, kidnappers and terrorists who are crossing our borders. Do these liberal bleeding heart citizens actually think those folks are going to become strawberry pickers once they get here?

    You didn't like my bugs in the garbage analogy? Drug use in this country is the garbage. How about ants at a picnic? We're the picnic, and along come the ants.

    - - - - -

    I'm assuming you're a cop, and I'll bet you don't buy the excuse "I saw it, I wanted it and I took it just because I could."

     
  • Rogue Cop posted at 12:50 pm on Sun, Apr 25, 2010.

    Rogue Cop Posts: 2270

    MMM...I almost always agree with your POV but I think your last 2 posts have some faulty logic. Holding those accountable for their actions is absolutely correct but the war on illegal immigration has to be a 2 prong attack, and yes you hold the employer strictly accountable.

    Illegal immigrants know that there are jobs in this country and opportunities that don't exist where they're at. You eliminate those come-ons and you'll cut back on a lot of the border crashing. It's like the attractive nuisance theory...a homeowner has to put a fence up around his pool because it invites trespassers and perhaps young kids who could be injured if there was no restricted access. You have to eliminate the opportunities and then if people still trespass, deal with them harshly!

     
  • MMMMMM posted at 11:13 am on Sun, Apr 25, 2010.

    MMMMMM Posts: 2721

    By the way, sharetheplanet, who is responsible for the drug dealers and kidnappers and rapists, and burglars, and murderers, and terrorists who are crossing our borders?

    -----

    Just curious, are you able to control yourself when you see something desirable that belongs to someone else or do you take it and then blame them?

     
  • MMMMMM posted at 10:53 am on Sun, Apr 25, 2010.

    MMMMMM Posts: 2721

    sharetheplanet, what happened to personal responsibility? You really believe that other people are responsible for your actions? Are you saying that it is not the fault of the criminal illegally entering this country, that it is the fault of the employer? This might be true if you were talking about bugs in garbage - - - you put the garbage out and the bugs come in to eat it. Or - - - you put cheese on your mouse trap and the mice come in to eat it.

    But, we're talking about human beings here, right? We are told that these illegals are humans and yet you believe that employers are responsible for the humans' behavior???

    Look at it this way, you can lock your doors to discourage burglars, but if they break into your house anyway because they believe you have nice stuff, do you blame yourself or the burglars?

    sharetheplanet, you sound like a nice, soft, liberal who doesn't want to hold anyone responsible for their actions. Sweet, but misguided. You would have been on the side of the woman who spilled hot coffee in her lap had you been on that jury, wouldn't you? It wasn't the woman's fault, it was the fault of the one who made her the coffee.

    Really, if you blame others for your actions then when you do something really great, you can't take credit for that either. You can't have it both ways.

    Of course employers should be held accountable for their illegal actions, but to blame them for the illegal actions of the criminals who tresspass into our country doesn't make sense.

     
  • sharetheplanet posted at 9:09 am on Sun, Apr 25, 2010.

    sharetheplanet Posts: 809

    USCITIZEN, if there are multiple people using a single green card then again it is the greedy employer that is at fault for not checking the status of the worker. It IS their responsibility and should be fined for every undocumented worker and doubled for each time after that.

    The reason they do not check is because they know they will make more money if they look the other way.

     
  • sharetheplanet posted at 8:52 am on Sun, Apr 25, 2010.

    sharetheplanet Posts: 809

    sam,
    I too am a business owner with hard working employees. BUT I have competitors that are NOT as hard working and out to make a quick buck no matter the cost. These employers that do NOT follow the law need to be fined and doubled for each offense.

     
  • Rogue Cop posted at 8:43 am on Sun, Apr 25, 2010.

    Rogue Cop Posts: 2270

    No hASS, it's clear you hate anyone that thinks differently than you,,,thank God that's most of the country. Have you ever tried making an argument or debating a subject without attacking someone. You have to attack people personally, whether it's Governor Otter, Sarah Palin, or whomever. That really underscores your own self image. You know deep down inside that you are an unaccomplished, unintelligent, bitter old lady who has no friends, and my guess is that if you have any family, they won't have anything to do with you...probably because you attack them too. What a sad, bitter, hateful person you are!

     
  • samasterson posted at 8:42 am on Sun, Apr 25, 2010.

    samasterson Posts: 14

    "sam, a greedy self centered capitalist will not do the right thing. we need legislation to hold the people accountable that hire illegals. it is neither a conservative nor liberal issue. it is a moral issue. Sharetheplanet posted at 8:45 pm. "

    Sharetheplanet, "the right thing" according to whose definition? The right thing would have been for the last several Presidents to enforce the immigration laws we have on the books. They refuse for political reasons, not for reasons of principal, so states like Arizona are having to resort to political solutions to enforce the law.

    If the federal government would enforce the laws that currently exist, we would not be having this conversation because there would be no illegal immigrants for employers to hire. So the government fails to do its job and you say that the answer is to put the burden on employers (as if they don't have sufficient rules and regulations to follow anyway).

    As a very hardworking business owner, and as one who works with very hardworking employers (who tend to pay their employees, their taxes, and the advisors they hire to obey laws/regulations, before they pay themselves), your comments are offensive in ways you will probably never understand.

     
  • USCITIZEN posted at 8:34 am on Sun, Apr 25, 2010.

    USCITIZEN Posts: 12

    I apologize for all the grammatical and spelling errors in my last comment. I get a little worked up over the illegal immigrant issue these days.

     
  • Insider posted at 8:32 am on Sun, Apr 25, 2010.

    Insider Posts: 360

    The Federal Government has dragged their feet for years on immigration, now they can get jobs, insurance, licenses, and use our hospital emergency rooms for free medical care...we need to post a "Parking Lot Full" sign at our borders. Idaho should follow suit and get tough on immigration, the Feds certainly won't. No amnesty, we need to take care of America first.

     
  • USCITIZEN posted at 8:30 am on Sun, Apr 25, 2010.

    USCITIZEN Posts: 12

    After reading several of the comments here, I see that we are all basically looking for our politicians to do the same thein, keep the illegal immigrants out. I did see a comment by Idaho Patriot stating that the illegals were not making a living wage. This is not necessarily the case. I personally worked for an Electrical Contractor that used illegals in their workforce and they certainly were paid a living wage. The problem was, they had all the proper documentation, so the company did not know they were illegal in any cases, if they had a green card that actually looked like the person standing in front of you, you had to assume the id was theirs. Not so, they steal each others ID's for cyring out loud! How can an employer protect themselves against that? It will take a huge joint effort, welfare reform first to remove illegals from the ability to steal our tax dollars, enacting laws such as Arizona has and heavy penalties for those employers blatantly hiring illegals. If those workers left, you would find a return to the days of the depression where our own citizens did the back breaking work to feed their families. If we, as US Citizen did not behave like a bunch of candy butts and quit whining and take some real action by ousting all incumbents in our political structure we may have a chance at getting the whole of our country back.

     
  • Hassss posted at 7:09 am on Sun, Apr 25, 2010.

    Hassss Posts: 760

    I see RC is back from one of alleged spy gigs. RC, I said I never hated anyone, well that has changed, can you guess who that is RC? You are such a shallow little man RC. You must have to leave the country in hopes of finding a friend, poor RC.

    Idaho will never pass the same legislation as Arizona, I mean what would all the repubs do and the Otter boy do? Who would clean his stalls and take care of his thousands of acres? Who would clean their toilets? Question? Is Otter and Boehner related or do they just go to the same stylist everyday. Aren't they pretty little boys.

    Nope, my family is doing quite well. Oh, and they don't pay minimum wage, like here in this tight republican state.

     
  • The Truth posted at 2:49 am on Sun, Apr 25, 2010.

    The Truth Posts: 2193

    "so truth and hASS, u do not have any under-educated family members that could benefit from these types of jobs?"


    Nope, my entire family made something of themselves. You guys should try it sometime.

     
  • idaho native posted at 10:17 pm on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    idaho native Posts: 551

    ever wonder where Idaho R-Rep Brad Little gets his "pickers" for his farms?

    i post on this HAGADRONE "free" press site and it is "removed" before anyone can read it.

    forunately for me, I MAKE A COPY OF IT BEFORE THEIR KKKRONIES can remove it!

    what a free press!

    communist RUSSIA has more freedom than REPUBLIKKKAN IDAHO!

    the city editor and his haga-kkkronies know who pays his way.

    it is obvious that hagadrone and his editor cronies have never lost a family member in the fake wmd war!

     
  • idaho native posted at 10:03 pm on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    idaho native Posts: 551

    this country is filled with criminals and biggots, they are called REPUBLICANS.

     
  • idaho native posted at 10:01 pm on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    idaho native Posts: 551

    i'm so tickeled: ANYONE THAT IS NOT A NATIVE AMERICAN: YOU MUST LEAVE!

    RON: YOU'RE NOT A NATIVE AMERICAN...SO "YOU OLD-FART-WHITE BOY" MUST LEAVE!


     
  • sharetheplanet posted at 8:45 pm on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    sharetheplanet Posts: 809

    sam, a greedy self centered capitalist will not do the right thing. we need legislation to hold the people accountable that hire illegals. it is neither a conservative nor liberal issue. it is a moral issue.

     
  • samasterson posted at 8:27 pm on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    samasterson Posts: 14

    There is a HUGE difference between Arizona's legislation and Jorgenson's failed effort. Jorgenson's bill would have placed the burden of enforcement on the backs of businesses, where Arizona's legislation does not. It is NOT CONSERVATIVE to force businesses to do the hard work that we as taxpayers pay the government to do - this is SOCIALISM. Jorgenson's bill is NOT CONSERVATIVE! Last time I checked, this is what Democrats and socialists do.

     
  • Rogue Cop posted at 7:46 pm on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    Rogue Cop Posts: 2270

    The key is REASONABLE SUSPICION. I know hASS and company will have difficulty comprehending that simple legal principle.

    "So SU." Does that mean, So Shut Up, hASS. It's blatantly obvious that you're adapting the ways of your dictator socialist hero, Obama. But I digress...

    Reasonable suspicion means that an officer can only investigate a person's status if there is some reason to believe he/she is here illegally. It's the same standard police have been held to when stopping anyone or arresting for any felony. To follow hASS' logic (oxymoron) you and I have to be able to prove we're not here illegally if some cop just willy nilly decides to question you about your citizenship. Typically shallow thinking on the part of hASS, and totally ignores the doctrine of reasonable suspicion. By that standard the police could arrest anyone for anything whether there was reasonable cause or not.

    But I would expect nothing less from socialist hASS.

     
  • MMMMMM posted at 7:38 pm on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    MMMMMM Posts: 2721

    No, Hassss, I cannot PROVE that all my family members came to this country legally. Actually, some of my ancestors were already here - NATIVE. However, all my living family members are citizens of this country and we can certainly prove that.

    I, too, am a citizen of this country, and have had to prove that often in my life.

    - - - -

    I heard a saying, "Illegal isn't a nationality or race, it's a crime."

    And another one, "Either lead or get out of the way". Looks like the Arizona govenor just told Obama to get out of the way. Good for her!!!!

     
  • Hassss posted at 6:12 pm on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    Hassss Posts: 760

    Hope you can prove that all your family members came to this country legally.......that includes you MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM and me too. So SU.

     
  • sharetheplanet posted at 5:29 pm on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    sharetheplanet Posts: 809

    this is the fault of the greedy people that believe in capitalism at any cost. the CEO's and wall street that cannot take a cut in pay but ask the American worker to take one. The superentendants of schools that make a total package that is equivilant to that of three teaching salaries.

    A society that will pay a ball player millions of dollars but wants an unskilled laborer doing skilled labor for a quarter of the cost. HEY and while we are at it, the walmart shoppers that have forced the closure of many mom and pop shops across America to save a buck.

     
  • MMMMMM posted at 5:09 pm on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    MMMMMM Posts: 2721

    Please explain to me why anyone would want criminals in our country? If they came into this country illegally then they are criminals.

    "Leopards don't change their spots" meaning that if illegals are willing to commit a crime to get here, they are not likely to suddenly become law abiding desirable citizens. They will always be willing to "cut corners" just a little bit or maybe a lot. It's like telling a small lie, there's no end to it once you start.

    But this isn't just a small lie. Entering our country illegally is a deliberate act, knowingly violating the laws of this country. I realize some of them work for low wages, but many are willing to escalate their crimes. Our prisons and jails are not overflowing with illegals simply because we "profile". They are caught committing crimes.

    About showing ID and documents proving you are entitled to be in this country - we all have to do that all the time in many different situations. That's not "profiling", that's just smart to secure our safety.

     
  • sharetheplanet posted at 4:43 pm on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    sharetheplanet Posts: 809

    so truth and hASS, u do not have any under-educated family members that could benefit from these types of jobs? these jobs should always go to Americans until every able body is working b4 an illegal.

    I agree that the employer should be held accountable.

    $1000 per illegal employee first offense
    $2000 per illegal employee second offense
    $4000 third offense
    $8000 fourth
    $16000 fifth
    etc.

     
  • Hassss posted at 4:29 pm on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    Hassss Posts: 760

    Well said The Truth.

    Have a good evening.

     
  • The Truth posted at 3:50 pm on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    The Truth Posts: 2193

    The funny thing is that the only people upset about the "illegal alien" problem are those that are so under-educated and under-skilled that they feel that their minimum wage "jobs" are threatened by illiterates from another country. Perhaps if they spent a little more time actually improving their own skill sets rather than worrying about how to hang on their under-paid wage slave "job", they'd be better off.

     
  • Hassss posted at 2:40 pm on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    Hassss Posts: 760

    fiepie said it right.......Make the corporations and other like the farmers, etc., held liable for hiring illegals in Idaho. God, can't do that in Idaho......can you imagine all the repubs that would be screaming foul! They wouldn't be able to harvest their product, be it potatoes or whatever. Bet our own Governor would be caught doing just that. Me, the Governor, me, I didn't know he/she was illegal..I mean gosh almighty I been out riding my horse everyday to worry about that, gesh.

    Sad the bleached blond Governor didn't make it a felony for all those that hire the illegals, probably will be just a little slap on the hand and told...Now, don't you do that again, okay ;-) or we might have to fine you, sneeker, sneeker, wink, wink.

     
  • Hassss posted at 2:14 pm on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    Hassss Posts: 760

    Whose going to clean their houses, do their yard work, work for less than minimum wage for all those greedy contractors. Whose going to do all their dirty work? Can't wait for the first racial profiling lawsuit. Arizona has set itself up for many, many, many, many lawsuits of racial profiling and don't think that isn't going to happen. This will cost this state so much money they will look at the bleached blond Governor and say........WHAT THE HECK WERE YOU THINKING?

    I agree with checking IDs but to just stop someone because you think they are illegal.........hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, must be some kind of special 9TH SENSE they have in Arizona. Way to go Repubs, way to go.

     
  • IdahoPatriot posted at 12:37 pm on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    IdahoPatriot Posts: 32

    Magnum wrote:
    "Idaho Patronizer

    I believe you have been MISLED BADLY by the Political Machine!"

    I also believe you have really stepped in it because everyone in Idaho knows that the "political machine" supports illegal immigration and Senator Jorgenson does not. But the backers of Vick most certainly do.

     
  • IdahoPatriot posted at 12:31 pm on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    IdahoPatriot Posts: 32

    Magnum wrote:
    "Idaho Patronizer

    I believe you have been MISLED BADLY by the Political Machine!"

    And, I believe you have to get personal because you cannot prove me wrong. That is always the refuge of cowards.

     
  • Cody Wiench posted at 12:07 pm on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    Cody Wiench Posts: 348

    Immigration reform is needed in Idaho and is a great thing, but you all are forgetting one thing: North Idaho is part of the same state as SOUTHERN IDAHO. Southern Idaho's legislators are bought and paid for by big agriculture.

     
  • Magnum posted at 11:16 am on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    Magnum Posts: 1065

    Idaho Patronizer

    I believe you have been MISLED BADLY by the Political Machine!

     
  • IdahoPatriot posted at 11:08 am on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    IdahoPatriot Posts: 32

    Magnum wrote:

    "Steve Vick is a LOT MORE CONSERVATIVE than Jorgenson"

    You are joking, right? Since Vick was put up to run against Senator Jorgenson by those that oppose cracking down on illegal immigrants in this state and are madder than hornets that he presented a bill that would have done just that!

    Find out who supports Vick and you will have the truth.

     
  • TomKatt posted at 10:59 am on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    TomKatt Posts: 125

    CDA Rep George Saylor said "Instead, immigration reform should be left to the federal government"

    The federal government is broken, corrupt and useless, and since Rep Saylor does not seem to realize that, perhaps he should be voted out next election....

     
  • IdahoPatriot posted at 10:29 am on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    IdahoPatriot Posts: 32

    Rasmussen Reports: 70% of Arizona citizens support the new law.

    What do you think the numbers would be in Idaho???

     
  • Magnum posted at 10:28 am on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    Magnum Posts: 1065

    Is this the compromise I need to make in voting this season?

    Steve Vick is a LOT MORE CONSERVATIVE than Jorgenson

    But we have to thank Governor Brewer of Arizona, and the Arizona Legislature for
    passing and signing this bill!

     
  • lucky5975 posted at 10:22 am on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    lucky5975 Posts: 44

    It would be advantageous for some of you to examine the practices in Idaho, particularly in the south. The industries in the south use these non-existent laws to exploit immigrants.

     
  • IdahoPatriot posted at 10:11 am on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    IdahoPatriot Posts: 32

    It is time for Idaho citizens to stand up for our state!!! Senator Jorgenson's bill is the only bill that would have succeeded and also held up against Constitutional court challenges.

    Senator Jorgenson cannot do it alone and the dirty politicians in this state are NOT going to do it unless MASSIVE pressure is applied. They will lose $$$ from the IACC, the Idaho dairymen and big AG.

    Their latest trick is to pass legislation in committee last year, such as the Hart Bill and the McGee Bill, that has no teeth and was intentionally and purposely designed to do nothing to stop employers from funding their slave labor on the backs of Idaho taxpayers.

    Start standing up against the corruption in Idaho politics or keep dolling out $200,000,000 per year in taxpayer $$$ to support the social costs of agriculture, construction and dairy in Idaho! IT IS OUR CHOICE.

     
  • IdahoPatriot posted at 10:01 am on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    IdahoPatriot Posts: 32

    "...but another would be the consequence it has on labor. Where are those immigrants going to go? Mexico? I don't think so. They're just going to spread out."

    Illegal immigrants are not the responsibility of the American people!!! They will self-deport if they cannot take jobs and benefits from Idaho citizens.

    "Instead, immigration reform should be left to the federal government, he [Rep. Sayler] said."

    This fallacy is the cop out of legislators who do not care about Idaho's unemployed or whether hard-earned taxpayer dollars are stolen by illegal aliens. It is obviously not true or the courts would not be upholding the states' abilities to enforce immigration law. You can bet employers are NOT paying living wages to the illegal immigrants they employ or they would hire American citizens. This is all about greedy employers and the politicians in their pockets such as Phil Hart, George Sayler, Curt McKenzie, Bart Davis and others.

    The reason Senator Jorgenson's law did not pass is because the citizens of Idaho were not vocal enough. This cannot happen again. The slugs in the legislature who voted against his bill do not give a darn about Idaho, but instead are protecting their wallets. It will continue if the people of Idaho do not stand up and fight!!!

     
  • fiepie posted at 9:09 am on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    fiepie Posts: 2788

    I would think, rather than racial profiling, that there should be a law with high monetary damages for any employer who hires an illegal.??

     
  • InThePines posted at 8:22 am on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    InThePines Posts: 146

    It's about time one of our states' governors took some action with teeth.
    Frank

     
  • Thong Gone posted at 7:55 am on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    Thong Gone Posts: 88

    As long as McDonald's serves french fries, this will never happen in the great potato farming state of Idaho.

     
  • skeptical posted at 7:54 am on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    skeptical Posts: 57

    Three cheers for Arizona! At least they've got the guts to do something in their state.
    Idaho will never get any kind of legislation passed as long as the politicians in the State Affairs Committee continue to be bought off by the Dairymen. Nobody runs against them at election time, so they breeze right through to continue allowing cheap, foreign labor into this state. It's going to take the voters in those southern districts to start promoting candidates to run against these crooks and knock them off their perches. You can't make a difference with the same old people running the show.

     
  • Just_K posted at 7:53 am on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    Just_K Posts: 84

    The common misconception is that those of us who support getting the illegals to become either legals or leave, are racist. For me and many I know, that is far from the truth. We want those coming to this country in search of freedom and prosperity to pay their fair share. We support them with our taxes via the free health care, food stamps to moms, and monthly support from the welfare system. It's draining our tax dollars that need to go towards education, veterans benefits and other programs that help our citizens. I agree, get legal and pay your fair share or leave!

     
  • will-- posted at 7:52 am on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    will-- Posts: 822

    The Federal Government did nothing during the Bush administration and certainly will not during the Obama's. Individual States need to take Arizona's lead and enact laws to protect against the illegal invasion that threatens the sovereignty of our country.

     
  • USCITIZEN posted at 7:39 am on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    USCITIZEN Posts: 12

    I applaud Gov. Brewer and I would back any legislation to stop the illegal immigrants from spreading any further to our area. Just look at the states who use illegal immigrants in their workforces. California and Washington are BROKE. Who do you think is paying the higher taxes? The illegal immigrants? No, they send their money home. Civil rights? They are not citizens! They have NO RIGHTS in this country! I don't care what color your skin is, you could be here illegally from Russia and you still shouldn't be here. Illegal is just that - illegal. Wake up people! We need laws in place which protect us! Canada charges something like 30,000.00 to become a citizen there. Australia charges even more! We pay the illegals to come here and you and I end up paying for it, through the nose. Obama enact a law that protects us? Again, wake up! He hates this country and is the biggest racist pig society has ever produced! OUr protection has to come from within our own state and Sen. Jorgenson - YOU GO FOR IT! I want my country back because I am a U S Citizen!

     
  • Tim Herzog posted at 6:43 am on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    Tim Herzog Posts: 353

    The Federal Government is going to do nothing as long as we are stuck with Obama. Idaho needs to implement this. Our forefathers and other immigrants from Europe came here for the opportunities our great country offered. They became citizens and contributed to society.

    Illegals come here also to take advantage of our country but unless they want to become citizens, or at least be legal, send them back! America is for Americans, become one or leave!

     
  • greyhound2 posted at 5:31 am on Sat, Apr 24, 2010.

    greyhound2 Posts: 715

    Better hurry up! If they are going to "spread out", they will quickly overwhelm the social safety nets of welfare, health care and education where ever they end up. As for relying on the Federal government to handle the issue, they have ignored the situation for the past 20 years, no point there. Legal immigrants are welome, illegal immigrants are not.

     
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