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Senator questions opponent's eligibility

Jorgenson files complaint with secretary of state

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Posted: Saturday, April 17, 2010 12:00 am

An Idaho senator filed a complaint with the Secretary of State's office this week contending that his opponent isn't qualified to run.

Although the complaint was quickly contradicted, Sen. Mike Jorgenson, R-Hayden Lake, insists that an oversight has occurred and Steven Vick shouldn't be allowed to continue as a candidate for the District 3 seat.

"There's a campaign side to this, but there's also an election issue," Jorgenson said Friday. "Where does the city and the county and the state really come down on these issues?"

Jorgenson filed an official complaint with Secretary of State Ben Ysursa on Tuesday stating that Vick, his Republican challenger in the May 25 primary, isn't a registered voter in Idaho.

The complaint pointed out that Vick, who first moved to Idaho in 2004, had moved to Montana for three months in 2006, during which time he registered to vote and ran for office in Lewis and Clark County.

Under Idaho law, individuals can't maintain voting rights here if they register in another state.

"When you move out of the state and take up residency and vote in another state, it (your Idaho registration) is supposed to be canceled," Jorgenson said. "You have to re-register (after moving back to the state)."

Vick said when he moved back to Kootenai County later in 2006, he went to the Elections Office to do just that.

But Vick was told that his registration was still valid.

"They said I didn't need to re-register," he said.

Vick added that he voted in the 2008 primary and general elections without trouble.

"I miss very few elections," he said.

Carrie Phillips, elections supervisor for Kootenai County, said the county was never notified that Vick had left the state.

"We have to be notified either by another state or the voter himself before we can make that change," Phillips said.

Staff at Lewis and Clark County Elections said the department doesn't notify other counties and districts to cancel individuals' previous registrations when new residents sign up to vote there.

Kootenai County does, however, Phillips said, and she believes that must have been the case with Vick.

"I have confirmed that his registration is inactive in Lewis and Clark County," she said.

Phillips had already notified the Idaho Secretary of State's office on Friday that Vick is a registered voter, she said.

"He is registered to vote in Kootenai County," she said.

Vick said he had thought he was going to live permanently in Montana in 2006 when he ran in a primary election for Public Service Commission, which he lost. For family reasons, Vick said, he returned to Idaho that year.

Vick doesn't consider his voter registration an issue, he said.

"I've always believed when people can't attack someone based on his record, they attack on his character," he said. "I guess that must be what he (Jorgenson) is trying to do."

But Jorgenson said it isn't right that Vick is running when he shouldn't be registered.

"If he's not a valid elector, I'm going to spend $25,000 to $30,000 on an election I shouldn't have to spend," he said of advertising costs in the campaign against his opponent.

He and his attorney are looking into how to obtain a judicial order to declare Vick unqualified to be on the ballot, Jorgenson said.

"Unless Mr. Vick chooses to resign," he added.

Idaho law requires that state senate and representative candidates be registered voters in their counties or districts for at least a year preceding election.

Vick, a Dalton Gardens resident who owns a home renovation business, served four consecutive terms in the Montana House of Representatives from 1995 to 2002.

He said he has no qualms about Jorgenson investigating his voter registration.

"It's a free country, and he's able to do what he wants," Vick said. "I hope we can run a race on the issues and not get into this sort of thing."

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  • catalin posted at 8:21 am on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

    catalin Posts: 7

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  • WannaBe JD posted at 1:51 pm on Mon, Apr 19, 2010.

    WannaBe JD Posts: 110

    Idaho Native, I just got off the phone with FOX NEWS. Their legal counsel suggested Vick would have no problem were he a Canadian resident.

  • IdahoPatriot posted at 11:17 am on Mon, Apr 19, 2010.

    IdahoPatriot Posts: 32

    Larry_Spencer wrote:
    Skeptical, I never said I wasn't supporting Mr. Vick, as I am. He has also been endorsed by Representatives Jim Clark and Phil Hart. What are you claiming is an untruth? Are you suggesting that he voluntarily gave up the vice chair seat on the most powerful committee in the Senate?

    Well if these two pseudo conservatives are supporting Vick. I know who I am going to campaign for--Jorgenson.

    Phil Hart tried to pull the wool over his constituents' eyes by introducing a phony, impotent immigration bill, making them think it would work, when with intention and purpose, he knew it would do nothing to stop illegal aliens from taking Idaho jobs.

    Hart is in the pocket of the Idaho Dairymen and has probably put Vick up to challenge Jorgenson because of it!!!

    Clarke has stated that he doesn't think illegal immigration merits the attention of the Idaho legislature.

    What a couple of political hacks these two are!!!

  • IdahoPatriot posted at 11:02 am on Mon, Apr 19, 2010.

    IdahoPatriot Posts: 32

    Why have any laws if the smallest of these is going to be ignored??? Isn't this one of the main problems facing the USA today--government picking and choosing which laws to enforce???

    I support Senator Jorgenson 100% and he should not be the one forcing this issue, the law should be upheld!

  • idaho native posted at 8:39 pm on Sun, Apr 18, 2010.

    idaho native Posts: 551

    hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! has anyone asked FOX NEWS what to do?

  • skeptical posted at 11:41 am on Sun, Apr 18, 2010.

    skeptical Posts: 57

    Skeptical, I never said I wasn't supporting Mr. Vick, as I am. He has also been endorsed by Representatives Jim Clark and Phil Hart. What are you claiming is an untruth? Are you suggesting that he voluntarily gave up the vice chair seat on the most powerful committee in the Senate?

    You are not only supporting Vick, you personally picked him out and promoted him to run against Jorgenson to settle a personal score. And yes, I am saying that Jorgenson gave up that committee chair on his own. He wasn't thrown off it as you suggest. Senator Jorgenson has been a good advocate for the Idaho people, and you do a misjustice to Idahoans by your vindictive actions. You don't care who gets in there as long as it isn't your number one enemy, right?

  • Larry_Spencer posted at 10:03 am on Sun, Apr 18, 2010.

    Larry_Spencer Posts: 6

    Skeptical, I never said I wasn't supporting Mr. Vick, as I am. He has also been endorsed by Representatives Jim Clark and Phil Hart. What are you claiming is an untruth? Are you suggesting that he voluntarily gave up the vice chair seat on the most powerful committee in the Senate?

  • skeptical posted at 9:17 am on Sun, Apr 18, 2010.

    skeptical Posts: 57

    Oh, and Larry, I didn't hear you deny you're promoting Vick, which makes your comments biased.

  • skeptical posted at 9:13 am on Sun, Apr 18, 2010.

    skeptical Posts: 57

    Oh, come on, Larry, you can spin for the people on here, but the truth is that you hate Jorgenson and will do anything you can to try to bring him down. The untruths in your last paragraph shows that.

  • Larry_Spencer posted at 8:50 am on Sun, Apr 18, 2010.

    Larry_Spencer Posts: 6

    Skeptical, I have no such vendetta. I have had no dealings of any kind outside the political arena with the senator, and the only reason I put the truth out there on this and other forums is because he is a bad apple.

    PS. The Senate leadership seems to agree, as Senator Jorgenson was stripped of his senior status and demoted last year. He was the vice chair of the powerful State Affairs committee prior to his demotion. Now his nickname in Boise is "number 35" and for those of you who don't get it, think about it in context of the fact that there is 35 Senators, and he is viewed as the least among them. The voters of the third district deserve better representation than what they have.

  • skeptical posted at 7:59 am on Sun, Apr 18, 2010.

    skeptical Posts: 57

    Larry, you're comments on here are predictable. Maybe some on here don't know that you have a personal vendetta against Mike Jorgenson and you are the one promoting Steve Vick to run against him. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if you were the one to give the Press this story. In fact, everytime there is a story about Jorgenson, you're always lurking in the shadows trying to discredit him. Why don't you get over it?

  • SMN1962 posted at 11:12 pm on Sat, Apr 17, 2010.

    SMN1962 Posts: 94

    It seems pretty easy to a simple person like me. If it can be verified that he intended to re-register in 2006, then case closed, on with the election.

  • PostFallsBiz posted at 6:14 pm on Sat, Apr 17, 2010.

    PostFallsBiz Posts: 7

    I would not have done this were I Senator Jorgenson but it is just another example of our County Clerk's office doing an awful job. It is time to give someone new a chance to clean up that office.

  • rollingthunder posted at 4:41 pm on Sat, Apr 17, 2010.

    rollingthunder Posts: 361

    To Jorgenson, you just convinced me to vote for Steven Vick! Just another reason to remove all incumbent politicians!! Jorgenson has been in office to long.

  • phaedrus posted at 12:51 pm on Sat, Apr 17, 2010.

    phaedrus Posts: 96

    So if Vick does not get elected here, where does he move to next seeking to be elected?

    Kinda like Vaughn "I lown a home in Virginia" Ward?

  • Dan Gookin posted at 12:18 pm on Sat, Apr 17, 2010.

    Dan Gookin Posts: 710

    Who's to say whether or not Lewis & Clark County Elections office called? Our elections office is proud of not being the "residency police." So while our county Elections Dept. may not know Mr. Vick's status, I'll bet you dollars for donuts that the Idaho Fish and Game Dept. knew whether or not he was a resident. Perhaps Fish and Game should run our elections?

    By the way, I have the county's election data going back several years. According to the county's own records, Steve Vick voted in this county in both the 2008 general and primary elections. He is also listed as voting in 2004. In other words, regardless of what the county claims, Mr. Vick has been in the county voter database as a legal, registered voter since 2004.

    If you have questions as to why Mr. Vick was listed as a legal voter in Kootenai County during the time he lived in Montana, I suggest that you direct them to Dan English.

  • Larry_Spencer posted at 10:06 am on Sat, Apr 17, 2010.

    Larry_Spencer Posts: 6

    When it comes down to it, this claim by Jorgenson is so trite he could just as easily be making a stink about Steve Vick not dotting the "i" when he signed his name on the form.

    Talk about being petty.

  • The Late Louis Nizer posted at 10:01 am on Sat, Apr 17, 2010.

    The Late Louis Nizer Posts: 188


    Yes, it is the fault of the Kootenai County Elections Department, though the Lewis & Clark County Clerk is equally but not exclusively culpable. When Mr. Vick showed up to register in 2006 and acknowledged he had been a resident of Montana, the Kootenai County Elections Office could have called Montana to confirm. Or, Kootenai County could have simply re-registered him, assuming he had appropriate Idaho identification, proof of timely Idaho residency, and Idaho address verification. Instead, the Kootenai County Elections Office told him he was still registered. Both Senator Jorgenson and would-be candidate Vick have valid complaints against Dan English. Both should complain to the Secretary of State. Both are victims of a lazy Kootenai County Clerk.

  • Larry_Spencer posted at 9:18 am on Sat, Apr 17, 2010.

    Larry_Spencer Posts: 6

    Jorgenson is now only planning to spend $25k to $30K? When he first found out he had a challenger, he retorted that he would spend a hundred thousand of his own money to keep "his seat."

    News flash, senator. It isn't your seat, it belongs to the voters of the district, and you have not been doing a good job representing their conservative values. You have pushed the agenda of the Tribe and other gaming interests for too long, as they pour money into your campaign coffers.

    Jorgenson voted against allowing the people to vote in a constitutional amendment to protect the right to hunt and fish, and when asked about it, claimed he couldn't remember the vote! To see his vote, go to the state legislature page, click past sessions, year 2006 and look for "SJR106" under constitutional amendments.

    I for one am glad that a real conservative has stepped up to the plate so that district three can vote for a more effective voice that will represent them rather than gambling interests.

  • sleepyhead posted at 8:56 am on Sat, Apr 17, 2010.

    sleepyhead Posts: 71

    This is NOT the fault of the Kootenai County elections department. If any one is at fault, it would be the staff at Lewis & Clark County Elections office for not notifying Kootenai County that Mr. Vick was a registered voter in their county.

  • home girl posted at 8:53 am on Sat, Apr 17, 2010.

    home girl Posts: 2

    Somebodies running scared! I have met Steve Vic. Great family man of integrity...can't wait to see him elected.

  • Dan Gookin posted at 8:38 am on Sat, Apr 17, 2010.

    Dan Gookin Posts: 710

    Not to worry: The County Elections office has an unblemished record of 25 years of flawless perfection under Dan English. Nothing to see. Move along, move along.

  • Lunacy Watch posted at 8:08 am on Sat, Apr 17, 2010.

    Lunacy Watch Posts: 176

    I thought Jorgenson was going to accused him of something serious, like his being born in Kenya.

  • straight up posted at 8:02 am on Sat, Apr 17, 2010.

    straight up Posts: 960

    "Is Vick looking to become a career elected official?"

    My thoughts exactly local res.

  • local res posted at 7:26 am on Sat, Apr 17, 2010.

    local res Posts: 1165

    So if Vick does not get elected here, where does he move to next seeking to be elected? Is Vick looking to become a carreer elected official? Sounds like he is taking his show on the road. Question will be are we the people willing to bite? Time will tell.

  • TakeBackTheUSA posted at 4:03 am on Sat, Apr 17, 2010.

    TakeBackTheUSA Posts: 765

    This issue is EXACTLY why everyday people DESPISE politicians. 8 year olds have more maturity. Good to know though, before the election. Obviously Jorgenson is a VERY large bonehead .. but then, aren't they all.

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