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Comments by FOX personality John Stossel draw ire of Chief Allan

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Posted: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 12:00 am

COEUR d'ALENE - Coeur d'Alene Tribe Chairman Chief J. Allan sent a letter to the head of FOX News Channel demanding an apology from both the network and one of its TV personalities.

Allan accused FOX anchor John Stossel of insensitive on-air comments made about American Indians.

"The ignorance behind the statements made by John Stossel poured salt into the slowly healing wounds of Native Americans and added disgrace to an already shameful page in American History," Allan wrote in his letter Monday.

The Tribe pointed to a specific one-minute clip of Stossel on FOX. Neither the network nor Stossel could immediately be reached for comment.

The Press couldn't confirm with FOX what day Stossel made the comments or how long he spoke about American Indians and the Bureau of Indian Affairs, two primary topics of the 58-second clip which has been posted on YouTube.

Allan wrote that Stossel made a series of misinformed and irresponsible statements that have insulted an entire population of American Indians and highlighted his level of disrespect and misunderstanding toward Indians.

"Stossel ignorantly asked the rhetorical question, 'Why is there a Bureau of Indian Affairs? There is no Bureau of Puerto Rican Affairs or Black Affairs or Irish Affairs.'"

Allan called it a disparaging and misleading question.

Stossel also said no group has received more help from the U.S. government than Indian Americans.

"But 200 years later, no group does worse," Stossel said on the show.

Allan wrote: "Few words could be more misinformed or more offensive."

Stossel continued, "And the Indians that get out of government management - they thrive in America."

He finished by arguing that individuals do better "if government would just butt out."

Allan said American Indians share a unique relationship with the U.S. government through what he called the "Federal Trust Responsibility."

"This fiduciary duty arose from contractually binding promises made to tribes in exchange for the hundreds of millions of acres of land ceded to the United States government during the nation's movement westward," Allan wrote.

Allan continued by writing that Stossel "intentionally misleads viewers to believe that the 'help' tribes receive is some gratuitous benefit provided to one minority over another."

Allan said the benefits are a requirement under terms of treaties and executive orders.

"Had he bothered to research Native American history, Mr. Stossel may have also learned that U.S. military campaigns ordered to forcibly remove Indians from those lands did so with lies, deception and ultimately by slaughtering our men, women and children," Allan wrote.

"Maybe next time Mr. Stossel decides to recklessly rant about government waste he won't choose the department effectively mandated by Congress to remedy the aftermath of state-sponsored genocide."

Allan wrote that American Indians did not ask for the establishment of the Bureau of Indian Affairs, but many of its services are crucial to the continued survival of American Indian people.

Allan addressed his letter to FOX News Channel's head, Roger Ailes, in New York.

Indian Affairs is the oldest bureau of the U.S. Department of Interior. It currently provides services to about 1.9 million American Indians and Alaska Natives.

Its mission is to enhance their quality of life, promote economic opportunity, and protect and improve the assets of American Indians and tribes.

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  • pmalex posted at 1:21 pm on Thu, Apr 28, 2011.

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  • Rogue Cop posted at 11:23 am on Wed, Apr 6, 2011.

    Rogue Cop Posts: 2355

    Oh, I do have a sense of humor StumPee. I find all of your comments laughable.

  • Stumpp posted at 11:01 am on Tue, Apr 5, 2011.

    Stumpp Posts: 4

    A sense of humor might serve you well Mr. Rouge.

  • Rogue Cop posted at 5:15 pm on Mon, Apr 4, 2011.

    Rogue Cop Posts: 2355

    Let's hope Stumpee isn't the spokesperson for for any Native American tribe!

  • Stumpp posted at 2:30 pm on Mon, Apr 4, 2011.

    Stumpp Posts: 4

    I'm pretty sure I spelled it correctly......

    Definition of ROUGE
    : any of various cosmetics for coloring the cheeks or lips red
    2 Rouge Cop ( a cross dressing wannabe)

    Examples of ROUGE

    1. She/ he was wearing too much rouge.

  • sprinl posted at 2:56 am on Mon, Apr 4, 2011.

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  • Rogue Cop posted at 1:15 pm on Sun, Apr 3, 2011.

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    Just watched Stossel's piece again. Seems to me that the prevailing theme was that it's the mismanagement by BIA that has created the abject poverty on many of the Native American reservations. He also slammed corporations and attorneys. It was a fairly balanced indictment of government stupidity.

  • bkemdanno posted at 9:44 am on Fri, Apr 1, 2011.

    bkemdanno Posts: 259

    "Its mission is to enhance their quality of life, promote economic opportunity, and protect and improve the assets of American Indians and tribes."

    chronic alcoholism and drug dependence,poverty, very high unemployment -- yep really working good. at least, the crow and other reservations in mt the same story. thanks kellie -very interesting perspective.

  • Rogue Cop posted at 9:16 am on Fri, Apr 1, 2011.

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    FOX News has better ratings and viewership than any of the Obama Networks. Check the ratings if you "decide" not to believe me. Yes, let's be honest.

    986, so some of what Stossel was saying is true, that the BIA is incompetent and dysfunctional?

  • 986crazy posted at 7:19 am on Fri, Apr 1, 2011.

    986crazy Posts: 424

    To consider this newsworthy you have to consider FoxNews a legitimate news source. Let's be honest, FoxNews is nothing more than entertainment and Stossel is nothing more than an actor. Was what he said insensitive? Yah. Does it really matter if he's just an actor? No. Let's move on...

  • KellieWood posted at 9:28 pm on Thu, Mar 31, 2011.

    KellieWood Posts: 16

    To John's the truth:

    I'm an enrolled Blackfeet and have lived on and off our reservation in Montana. I was born and raised in CDA until I was 16 by my awesome caucasion dad who showed us the great beauty of America & who taught us by example the pursuit of excellence in all things & patriotism. He was a fighter pilot and America's top airline pilot for Northwest Orient and an extraordinary human being who excelled at everything.

    At 16 when I went to live with my mother's Blackfeet people I was stunned at the lack of hope, spiritual sadness, and lack of ambition the kids had.

    They are trapped on an ugly, lifeless reservation because the BIA stole their reservation land and turned it into Trust Land so the Indians could NEVER SELL it in order to move to better areas!

    Then the BIA leases the land for timber, oil, grazing, agriculture and the USA KEEPS THE BILLIONS IN REVENUES TO BAIL OUT AMERICAN BUSINESSES LIKE GM, AGI, etc.

    My Indian grandmother got a piddly $2,000 every year for her ~300 acres of leased land. Who's ripping who off here! The BIA needs to go into Receivership and then be turned over to Indian tribes where it belongs.

    The USA won't even let Indians collect taxes to try to improve their infrastructure.

    Indians are doomed until they get rid of these disgusting reservations and become truly sovereign
    (i.e. incorporated as U.S. businesses) under the banner of our beloved United States of America!

  • Rogue Cop posted at 6:33 pm on Thu, Mar 31, 2011.

    Rogue Cop Posts: 2355

    Stump-pee, you're picking your fights with the wrong people. I'm 1/16 Cherokee, my friend...and I know how to spell Rogue. You'll find that in the library also. If the record needs to be corrected, Chief Allan should go on FOX News and correct it. That's all I've said. Wise up! Generalizations...sheeeeesh!

  • Stumpp posted at 5:35 pm on Thu, Mar 31, 2011.

    Stumpp Posts: 4

    I find it disappointing that many of my N. Idaho neighbors are so misinformed and ignorant about our American history and of our interaction and treaties with Native Americans. The public school system certainly hasn't helped out. Huge generalizations and lack of information still exists in our education system on this matter. Rouge Cop and few of his sympathizers might do well to crack a book....try the public library. Real information can be very enlightening and rewarding. You just might find what a treasure our local Tribes are.

  • Rogue Cop posted at 12:43 pm on Thu, Mar 31, 2011.

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    Reid, well said. The other point that needs to be stressed is that Stossel was speaking generally about the Bureau of Indian Affairs, and handouts, etc. He wasn't specifically referring to the Coeur d'Alene tribe. Chief Allan should go on FOX News and present any information that refutes the Stossel piece.

  • ReidHarlocker posted at 12:05 pm on Thu, Mar 31, 2011.

    ReidHarlocker Posts: 86

    It is unfortunate that there are many here who are intent on slandering the CDA Tribe, they offer much to this community culturally and economically. However, I do believe that the message concerning the Chiefs discontent with the report has been lost on this blog. He is wrong and I urge the Chief to revisit the Stossel piece and listen to the message. It was not derogatory towards Native Tribes. It was clearly a message about how government intervention is often misguided; rather than teaching a man to fish, it instead makes him wait for someone else to give him a fish. That is not how the ancients lived and that is not how they would expect the ancestors to live either. The problem in government is that the mission of agencies generally enriches a few bureaucrats and cronies. They have no clear end result and instead serve to perpetuate the problem rather than fix it. Show me where in this report Mr. Stossel condones the actions of the past and I will happily retract what I have posted.

  • Rogue Cop posted at 11:56 am on Thu, Mar 31, 2011.

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    NIN, you made my point for me. You can't discuss the issue without calling people racist. You still haven't addressed the points WBJD or anybody else made. Libtard labels...that's your stock and trade!

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  • enelrahc posted at 8:48 am on Thu, Mar 31, 2011.

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    I can appreciate the comments from those who are giving a tackful and respectful opinion on this but I am writing to those who look down and are slamming the Native American Nations. Every heritage has the good and the bad among us! However, if you're going to slam them then include all mankind not just Native Americans. There are users and takers everywhere amongst us. And there are givers as well. My best freind of 30+ years is Native American. From her and her family (Salish/Flathead) I have opened my eyes, ears and heart to things I never learned from my German/Irish ancestory. I crossed the path a few years back of one M. Coyote, (Blackfoot) in Glacier Park. I had never met her prior to this meeting. We only talked for a short time and parted ways. As I walked away she called my name out and as I turned around she came towards me with her closed fist extended. Not certian of her intent, I stood and waited for her to approach me. She grabbed my hand, turned it palm up and opened her fist. Out fell her hand made earrings, beautiful beaded and stone jeweled treasures. Her gift to me for just being one of mankind! Amazing I never would have thought to do that in the past with someone I barely crossed paths with. Another lesson tought by one who has had much taken. I say this literally since she had suffered great loss in the present not the past. I am sure Chief Allen knows more about his business than us so out of respect I'd suggest we stay out of it and leave this for him to handle. Otherwise you might see more rain less sun in days to come Not everyone just those who deserve to have a cloud hanging over their head. attention those who I send that message to. Are you really having a good day? I extend my hand to you...go ahead take some peace of mind/piece of heart, eyes and ears. I give it to you as a a gift from one imperfect human to another.

  • inclined posted at 11:13 pm on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

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    John Stossel on Fox and Friends

    Look, SS, you are right, there is ignorance, still. And Stossel being Libertarian, or whatever is no badge or immunity from ignorance. But, truthfully, how much of your own position is strong on passion without reason? Is it really an intelligence thing? No. Has there been grounds for exasperation over time? Yes. Just yesterday. Today.

    But as you began, your reply to those “living off reservation” –Stossel was talking financially.

    My grandparents left poverty in Europe and came here. “Fitting in” is a big part of all this. The black people, by the millions(above the many disgruntle still), have “fit it”. The Japanese, now by the millions have “fit in”. The Irish gave up, were forced, along with Iraqis, Iranians, Turkish, Russian, Saudi Arabians, on and on, were, in many cases forced to give up, compromise their very souls. Many of these lost their existence in former places, lives, families and property. You know about the Kurds and the Armenians? You know about the Africans that escaped slavery and murder, rape and degradation that are here. What about their sovereignty?

    Many of their stories parallel suffering and loss, abuse and a ravaging --all below the dignity deserving of being human and what good law, conscience and acclaimed civilization demands.

    Truth is, there is a genocide going on in some parts of Africa today. There is draught killing thousands with no relief tonight? Have you sent funds to a assuage their most basic needs? Have you wept for the unborn murdered today? There is slavery, the trafficking of humans, for the basest of desires, and here. And in this state, the murder of the unborn, the “snipping, slicing across the back of the neck of a newborn, to cut the spinal cord continues. Do you think you are the only people, the only ones targeted for injustice and crime?

    I am a sovereign life, endowed by my Creator with inalienable rights, in this country. But do you comprehend what assault, the intrusion, the invasion of more and more of my “rights” being taken away? Am I a fully independent citizen here? Do I determine my own affairs, or have I been forced to live by the “rights and rules”, and now laws of even a small minority? Does my God not get debased and slandered, defamed and cursed every single second of the day in this land?

    The “treaties” made, in blood, by the founders and writers of the Constitution of this country, a treaty profound and dedicated to the people of this land, all of us, are broken every day by base and little men that we must together oppose. Yours is no higher a cause. Yours is not more unique and righteous an appeal.

  • idahondn11 posted at 10:30 pm on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

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    This has always been a subject of conflict for as long as i've been alive. i am a cda tribal member, my wife is not and we both are equally employed by the tribe and both pay our share of federal taxes. i have kept my traditional beliefs intact and my wife is true to her christianity and we have lived on the reservation happily. i am proud to see that millions of dollars generated by the casino are dispersed to surrounding schools most of which dont have any indians attending. the tribe is one of the largest employers of indian and non-indian workers. more than half of the tribal employment is comprised of non-indians and we work together just fine. the way things are now are a result of decisions we didn't make, but have lived with. as far as handouts go on the reservation, cheap health care, food etc. it is for all who call the reservation home. non-indians have the right to hunt, fish and gather on the reservation, just like tribal members do, the only tribe around that allows this and those that live here are all fine with that. no amount of negative comments can make me feel bad for either side of this fight, my family is rooted by those who have fought and died for this country and if people wish to read about whats going on and wish to drag this through the dirt without knowing it for themselves then that is their problem. i do not wish to assimilate, i will not worship god in no other way than my own and whether or not things stay the way they are i will pull me and my family through. i work hard for what i make, i am not on welfare and i pay taxes with a smile. alot of tribal members are the same way and we make the effort to live and work with non-indians for the betterment of this world for our children, not for ourselves.

  • northidahonative posted at 9:08 pm on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

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    By the way the CDA Tribe is the largewst contributer to the CityLink bus service, donating $1.2 Million in 2010, CityLink serves citizens of the county with free transportation, the $1.2 million is more than the Federal governments grant of $850.000. Local agencies and businesses have yet to contribute to the Free Service being paid for by the Tribe and Feds.

    Out of the top ten employers in Kootenai County 7 of them are government or public agencies, the CDA Schooll District is number 2, and the Tribe is number 7, lets lower the incomes of all those public workers and take away money from the Tribe, then you conservatives can really whine about the County and State being broke.

  • northidahonative posted at 8:20 pm on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

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    So paying taxes is the point right Rogue, then how about EXXON Mobile, which like GE pays no Tax and instead gets millions, billions in the case of GE in Tax Benefits in return. my guess is that you pointed out GE because of its contributions to Obama in 08', but you minght want to check their history of contributions, GE believes in spreading their bribes around, they have been pretty evenly divided between Democrats and Republicans, the Party GE figures can do the most for them at the time gets the most money. On the other Hand 90% of EXXON's bribes go to Republicans. More than 30% of America's large cor[porations pay no taxes, neither do about 20 to 30% of the richest 1% of Americans.........I guess none of them are real Americans and don't deserve the taxpayer money and benefits they receive.

    The difference is that EXXON, GE, and the Richest Americans don't have signed Treaties with the American Government like the CDA Tribe does, but of course inconvenient Treatis like inconvient labor contracts mean nothing to Conservatives today.

    The CDA Casino is one of the largest employers in the County, the shuttle that Wannabe complained about is not paid for by the County or State, the Casino pays for it. The Tribe did not require the County or City to purchase property for their Casino, unlike the Kroc Church, another business which does not pay taxes and need the CDA Taxpayers to buy the property before they would build their Church.

    The Tribe does get Federal and State money, all part of either their Treaty or for payment for use of their land by the State and County, such as for Highway 95. In CDA business and developers receive Taxpayer money to pay for the infrastructure required for their developments, sometimes they even get $80,000 for brick siding for their Condo's.

    The Tribe has contributed a lot of money to State and local programs over the years, one I remember is their $500,000 contribution to the State for fighting Meth Labs throughout the State and County. More than most other businesses in the County have.

    You are another guy rogue who uses the calim of "reverse racism" (which would actually be racism against someones own race) as justification for your own racist views.
    By the way Jeffery Immelt did pay taxes, GE did not. I don't like Obama picking him for his Economic Panel, but if you look at the administrations of Presidents of both Parties over the past 30 years you'll find them full of employees and CEO's from Goldman Sachs, so claiming that in 08' GE spent more money on Obama than Republicans doesn't mean too much. All politicians are corrupt, some more than others, that's the only real difference.

  • ranger posted at 8:12 pm on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

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    Chief Allen is in damage control. The professional Indian industry just got hit.

    This is another South Park Cartoon just waiting to happen. He He Haw Haw. He He Haw Haw.

    Next, Chief Allen will want to call anyone who opposes the Tribes shake down artistry an Andrew Jackson who wants to kill sixmillioncherokees.

  • Rogue Cop posted at 7:06 pm on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

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    So NIN, instead of personally attacking WBJD, why don't you address what he said? Every time a dyed-in-the-wool libtard has no answer for reverse racism, favoritism, and set asides they start the tired old ignorant racist BS.

    You said, "What's the difference between regular old white guy companies getting money, land, and services from the City, County, and State than the Tribe getting the same?"
    I'll answer that. The difference is that "regular old white guy companies" pay taxes, unless you mean Obama's buddy Jeffery Immelt of General Electric who pays no taxes and donated record amounts of money to Obama's campaign. Are those the "regular old white guy companies" of which you speak?

  • northidahonative posted at 5:25 pm on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

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    WannaBe, if you want to be an indian you should have been one on the reservation back before Casinos made the Tribe one of the largest employers in North Idaho, in Boundery County the Casino is the Largest employer.

    What's the difference between regular old white guy companies getting money, land, and services from the City, County, and State than the Tribe getting the same?

    It seems conservatives have no respect for either Treaties or Contracts, if the treaty or contract offends them. Why should any Native American, or anyone else for that matter have to become what a so called conservative approves of. That would be hard to do even if they wanted to, the opinions and values of conservatives today change so often they can't keep up themselves.

    Is their any race, other than white, that today's conservatives don't hate?

  • WannaBe JD posted at 4:58 pm on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

    WannaBe JD Posts: 110

    Now I see check out this article from Friday. The tribe is on the dole

    Posted: Friday, March 25, 2011 12:00 am | Updated: 1:23 am, Wed Mar 30, 2011.

    Tribe ready to put grant to work 1 comment

    PLUMMER - Days after receiving a half million in federal grant money, The Coeur d'Alene Tribe already has plans to put the money to work.

    "I am very pleased," said Coeur d'Alene Tribe Chairman Chief Allan. "The dollars will help improve our tribal housing development and the money will inject dollars into the regional economy."

    The funds will be used by the Coeur d'Alene Tribal Housing Authority to renovate and install energy-saving upgrades and rehabilitate 35 of its rental homes.

  • WannaBe JD posted at 4:56 pm on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

    WannaBe JD Posts: 110

    WHY? Hey I want to build a casino, I want to create a bus service to that casino and then get the State, County and Cities to help pay for it too.

  • Shawnee Shawn posted at 4:50 pm on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

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    The ignorance of most of these comments make me sick.

    Natives that live off of reservations are better off? No... not really... we miss home when we leave... we miss our families and miss our elders. We are forced to compromise our beliefs to "fit in." We walk a dangerous tightrope between staying true to who we are, and who society expects us to be.

    I applaud Chief Allen... he did the right thing... he spoke up when a wrong was committed... to get blasted by stupidity, and intollerance. In order for treaties to be valid, they are entered into on a nation to nation basis.... i.e. one SOVEREIGN entity to another. All I've seen in these comments is "these Indians need to assimilate." well I for one am glad I am not a member of the majority culture of this country. I am not a conservative Christian who believes in sinning, stealing and hate-mongering for 6 and a 1/2 days a week and then finding redemption a few hours a week in church. The foundation of my religion tells me to do unto others as I would have them do unto me.... 24/7 365... and I try my best to do that.... even when stupidity and ignorance make me angry... to those of you who are afflicted by racism and ignorance... I will pray for you. As we see our world implode around us... you may want to wake up.... Mother Earth is trying to tell us something!

    As for free "hand-outs" you really have some funny notions. The treaties entered into between the Couer d'Alene tribe Nation and Native Nations throughout this continent had commitments. Some have been met, most have been ignored... not by us, but the majority culture within which we live. Under the Indian Citizenship Act... passed mainly as a way of honoring Native service in WWI, we were recognized as dual citizens, both of the United States and as members of the Native Nations to which we belonged. Most of the per capitas distributed by the Couer d'Alene tribe are from revenues of tribally owned businesses... which include but is not limited to tribal gaming. The Couer d'Alene tribe is known nationwide as a leader in tribal self-sufficency... they take care of their own... that is what a tribal government... or any government for that matter... is suppossed to do! I'm a Shawnee from the east coast who is married to a woman from this area... whose grandfather was actually at Pearl Harbor the day the Japanese attacked.... he served his two countries... the United States, and the Couer d'Alene Nation proudly... I consider it an affront to him and the rest of my Couer d'Alene family and friends to read these comments. Mr. Stossel's comments were ignorant and misguided... I could easily judge an entire race based on such remarks, but was taught by my elders to show respect, because each person is an individual made by God... free to do right or wrong... what Stossel did was wrong... if he is a man of any worth... he will man up, and admit his ignorance.... even though he works for one of the most right wing news mouthpieces in the country... and I highly doubt he will,

    Mr. Allen... as a Native, not even if your nation, you have my respect... it is actions such as this that will make this a better world for our seventh generation.

    To those that have done nothing but spew hate and age old rhetoric devoid of inteligence of international treaty law and how it works... I'll be praying for you....

  • inclined posted at 4:05 pm on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

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    “Tribe demands apology”

    It occurs to me, this group of people, only describes what is going on around us, with issues of Unions and taxes, illegal immigration,
    activist, bad law, growing bureaucracy ect.---people are the same, the basic markers of the race are the same in all of us.

    This discussion gives Chairman Allan much to think about, but it is almost sure---the criticisms will be rationalized away.

    When have we ever seen any of the groups above take criticism and run with it, changing their nature? When have we ever seen “wanting our own wayness” submit, and the takers say, enough,
    we will change. When have we ever seen that the takers usually have some points that seem, in balance, of some worth?

    The points raised in this discussion seem as good as any should the ongoing sores and hurt need arbitration from a cross section of voices. Include people mentioned who have left the reservations, include those studied on both sides, and committed as much as possible to evidence divorced as much as possible from the passion of ingrained bias, prejudice and ill will.

    But, may the Chairman deal with these post as representing a leaning to face more of one weight, one side tilting the scales in an unusual number of people commenting, the majority without serious rancor or bitterness.

  • Rogue Cop posted at 2:45 pm on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

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    The Spokesman-Review - "The Coeur d’Alene Casino is undergoing its seventh and largest expansion, which is set to open in May. The expansion plan includes 98 new hotel rooms in two wings, more casino space, two new restaurants and a 15,000-square-foot spa."

    Dang, someone smoked a peace pipe with someone! Chief Allan, you tricky tricky red've been a busy guy, notwithstanding Stossel's criticism.

  • uncle fester posted at 2:43 pm on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

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    Question? Is the Chief 100 percent CDA indian? I doubt it. The Indians of any tribe today are percentage indians. They claim their percentage in order to get some benefit from the government. (or a tribe via the govt.) Most Americans have backgrounds from several sources and claiming to be half Irish does not get you any special treatment. I think it is time to get rid of reservations and the casinos.

  • mister d posted at 1:54 pm on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

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    It's about time the indians assimilate and become self supporting. They seem to want it both ways, to be an independent nation yet want all rights and proiveleges of U.S.citizens. Stossel has a right to his opinion and owes no one an apology.

  • Lanie11 posted at 1:44 pm on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

    Lanie11 Posts: 67

    Oh for God sakes...........................I saw the whole report by Stossel and it was all correct. So tired of people whining and complaining all the time.......................oy vey!!!!!

  • wanderson posted at 12:56 pm on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

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    Ask the American Indian about Wounded Knee and Sandcreek. Two moments in time. Then ask about the Cheyenne being sent to a reservation in Florida. The Blackhills Treaty that was broken because the Whiteman wanted the land back because they found gold. Who is at fault. You complain about the casino but you go.

  • CdA Idaho native posted at 12:43 pm on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

    CdA Idaho native Posts: 2

    Try reading American Holecost to get an idea of the history how the US came to being. I would like to see the land from all the original treaty's given back to the tribes. How would you like the Govt to show up on your doorstep & take whatever they want for the good of the order.

  • Rogue Cop posted at 12:15 pm on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

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    Myers had the best suggestion. Chief Allan should demand equal time on FOX to refute whatever he thinks is incorrect. Demanding apologizes just promotes the victimology so prevalent in America today. That's the Al Sharpton way of propagating racism.

  • okiendn posted at 11:11 am on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

    okiendn Posts: 1

    "time for Indians to be assimilated", WHAT! and look like the rest of you! NO THANKS! we do not wish to be you, les we spend all our time baking in the sun trying to look like us.

  • ReidHarlocker posted at 10:56 am on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

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    The Stossel piece was spot on and was in no way an assault on Native Americans. The Chief has his panties in a bunch over nothing and he should watch it again and learn. In my culture we say Emua, always look forward. It seems to me that the Coeur D'Alene's have done a fairly good job of forward thinking, but also seem content taking all that they can from the taxpayer. When does that end Chief? Lucky you not Hawaiian brother

  • Marc Stewart posted at 10:36 am on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

    Marc Stewart Posts: 9

    There is a lot of misinformation and false information about Indian tribes being circulated across the country. In this case, Mr. John Stossel, who is a known TV personality, is directly responsible for propagating ignorant and misleading statements about Native Americans in a one-hour program called “Freeloaders.”

    The argument that treaties and executive orders happened “so long ago” and there for should be forgotten or that the Indians should just “get over it” and be “assimilated” is sadly part of the national political dialogue.

    It’s paramount to remember that Native Americans were recognized as United States Citizens in 1924. Indians weren’t allowed to vote in Idaho until 1950, others states didn’t allow Indians to vote until 1965. If you put that into context of Native Americans giving up their lives to defend America in wars, you can understand why Indians take offense at those who seek to marginalize them by using loaded words like “handouts” and “lazy” and “freeloaders.”

  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 9:01 am on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969

    Allen is on the tribal council and is just concerned that his tribe might want to look closer at the books and see if Stossel was right and the tribal council directs the federal money instead of evenly to the pet projects the council benefits most from.

    It's amazing how well indians do after they leave the reservations influence of poor education, housing, and nutrition. The welfare the Federal government started giving as a way to quite rebellions from the reservations, have been turned into a form of Slavery to the tribal councils. The councils keep the lie going that indians can't survive without welfare, and hook them into a constant economic depression, except for the few that control the purse strings.

    Good luck Allen, you won't get an apology from Stossel or FOX, and when you join the real world and stop enslaving your own race, I might apologize for trying to slap some sense into you with this hard statement, but that will depend on your continuation or cessation of the enslavement you promote now.

  • Randy Myers posted at 8:54 am on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

    Randy Myers Posts: 1635

    Historically the US government has NEVER kept a treaty with Native Americans. Now, after historically using the Indians, the BIA is getting used by them. I'm not sure when there is enough payback. I think both sides (Stossel & Allan ) have points. Instead of demanding an apology perhaps Chief Allan should have extended an invitation for learning or challenged FOX and Stossel to a debate on the issue(s). Much more productive. Even when demanded apologies are given they are lame and insincere.

  • RUkidding posted at 8:54 am on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

    RUkidding Posts: 33

    I completely agree with the comments below. I have friends that go to the reservation, pick up a truck load of food, have free medical and dental on the reservation, although he doesn't live on the reservation he gets help with his rent, all because he is 1/16th Indian. But the same guy collects disability from the US gov. because he has a temper, doesn't get along with people, and can't hold a job. This guy is strong as an ox and nothing is physically wrong with him but he gains more by not working and letting the Indians and our govt take care of him.
    I also don't understand why the casino doesn't pay taxes but yet the reservation gets federal money for it's schools.
    This is what's wrong with our country today. Everyone is so worried about being so "politically correct" we've created a bunch of whiney babies with hurt someone needs to apologize to make them feel better.

  • idahoguy posted at 8:43 am on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

    idahoguy Posts: 932

    Indians... they sell cigarettes with no tax for less to non Indians (off reservation people) to make money. They then help to cause lung cancer and more in others and the tax payer again gets to pay for that cost.

    Indians. They get to sell fireworks to off reservation people which are “ILLEGAL” to own and operate to yet make more money.... Now isn’t that a nice American team player...ha ha ha

    Indians. Get to have the only gambling in this state and many other states. I as a white eyes would go to jail in my own country for what they get to do??? Why???

    Indians get free tax payer monthly hand outs to compensate for what? Their inability to earn their own living? Take a drive south and get off the U.S. tax payer highway and drive around the land they love and worship...Mother Earth ha ha ha . Look at the garbage and the dumps around all the homes. Mother Earth... are we for real or what.

    I personally know of CDA Indians who quickly moved to the Columbia river tribe in WA. To be set up to get a huge Govt paycheck and the move back here the next week. Another example of Indians as team players.

    I say cut the pay checks, cut the over sight, cut the tax breaks and Illegal selling of stuff. The sooner they are free of the Govt breast the sooner they will get back in shape and get more success and self respect.

    I have asked CDA Indians to talk in the native tongue...they can not. Nor do they hunt wild game or ride horses or wear loin clothes or leather. The speak English, drive cars and trucks, wear clothes from China and eat American food. Indians are a thing of the past. They are just another race in the melting pot here and need to stand on their own now. Indians have a pow wow dance at the defunct Indian dog race track every year (was dog racing part of their heritage)? I don’t think so...but most ethnic races have some holiday or event which centers around their history. Big deal....

    Ever go to the casino and notice the obesity factor in the Indians working there? Why?

  • DeNiles posted at 8:37 am on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    I too would agree with Stossel and many of the others who have posted here. But I would also agree with the position put forth by Chief Allan. Stossel may be correct but his assessment is very superficial. I can assume that Stossel did not have the time to delve deeply into the roots of the problems that has led up to todays situation(s).

    There's another 'tribe' that the world has dealt with quite differently that is doing somewhat okay. This tribe lost its ancestral lands long ago to invading foreigners. It was disbanded and roved all around the planet always hoping to get its ancient tribal lands back. And guess what? They got their lands back and we helped. America has helped this tribe get its lands back. We have helped them fight off wars. America sends them billions of dollars every year. Of course this is the Jewish tribe whose spiritual beliefs are more in tune with our own. So we saw to it that they got back their ancestral israeli properties and we have seen to it that they remain and do well on their lands.

    Of course we do not identify with thunder or rain gods so maybe that is the main problem here. Obviously if the American Indians worshipped more along the lines that those in many western countries do they'd get their ancestral lands back too. Think about it. The American Indians really got nailed and allowing them gambling rights, etc... is some sorry compensation for the wrongs they endured and their collective plight now.

    Nope, I do not have the answers. But It would at least be nice if people spoke with a wee bit more respect about these cultures who occupied these lands for eons and did not pollute or ruin them. And that goes for Mr. Stossel as much as anyone.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 7:32 am on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    I watched the Stossel piece, and it was spot on.
    It claimed that Indians have been USED by the government, and been led to RELY on the government, making them much less able to fend for themselves. He ALSO showed a different tribe in N Carolina that REFUSES to take government money, and is THRIVING. The point was that when government gives money etc, and continues to; people rely on it instead of working to make thier own,. and he is CORRECT.

    I agree with the poster below; takeback; who said it all correctly. The Indians are in the situation they are in right now NOT because of a lack of aid; but becuase of a full on dependance on government to carry them. And now they are "offended" when they are goruped into the rest of the grous that constantly depend on government money, and are poisoned as a result?

    The either need to be IN America or OUT of America.

  • TakeBackTheUSA posted at 5:38 am on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

    TakeBackTheUSA Posts: 765

    Indians claim "sovereignty" when it suits them and "oppressed" as they dig around in the taxpayer's pocket. There should NOT be a BIA. They always bring up treaties, etc but where in any of those treaties does it state they should get every benefit of sovereignty but also have a mainline tap into OUR taxes. They expect to sell cigarettes, gas, fireworks, and no doubt heroin without limitation or pay any taxes while at the same time maintain they're owed a free ride on the rest of us. Time for indians to be assimilated.

  • crust123 posted at 5:36 am on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

    crust123 Posts: 192

    No question it was a sad time in our country's history, but how many generations will it take for these "slow healing wounds" to heal. I can appreciate both sides comments, concerns and postions, but i dont see where an apology is necessary. A commentator is entitled to his opinions, from either side of the aisle. We wont always like what the other says. Thats called free speech.

  • The Truth posted at 5:34 am on Wed, Mar 30, 2011.

    The Truth Posts: 2193

    Anyone that believes anything spouted by the Fox network is sadly delusional.

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