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Posted: Thursday, April 5, 2012 12:50 pm

Citizens hoping to oust Coeur d'Alene Mayor Sandi Bloem and council members, Mike Kennedy, Woody McEvers and Deanna Goodlander can begin collecting the signatures needed to get a recall election on the Nov. 6 ballot.

The documents paving the way for the petition effort were approved this morning by the city clerk's office.

Susan Weathers, city clerk, said she is crafting a letter of approval to Frank Orzell, recall organizer, that says the petitions Orzell dropped off earlier today have been certified and the recall petition drive may begin.

The group, calling itself Recall CdA, will have 75 days from today to collect 4,311 signatures on each of four petitions, one for each of the officials. The deadline is June 19 at 5 p.m.

Orzell delivered the initial preliminary paperwork needed to launch the petition effort to the city clerk's office yesterday.

That paperwork was deemed incomplete by the city clerk, who determined the documents needed to include the specific reasons the group is requesting a ballot measure to recall the four elected officials, other than that the Idaho Constitution allows them to.

The reasons in the certified documents are:

  • He or she denied a public advisory vote on McEuen Field and approved the plan for the park
  • He or she continues to approve excessive salaries for city employees
  • He or she consistently supports excessive spending of taxpayer dollars


Each incumbent will have 200 words to craft a response to those reasons on the November ballot, should the recall drive prove successful and get that far.

  • Discuss

Welcome to the discussion.


  • JoeIdaho posted at 7:45 am on Sun, Apr 8, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Concerned- We call the people that say "eveything will be fine" "denyers".
    To look at how things are, and think that they'll just magically get better is fallacy; it took decades of hard work & creativity to manufacture the wealth that we, as Americans, have been living on since we were all born. This is NOT being replaced at all now; hasn't been since the 70's.

    Now; as we speak, you are 100% correct, IMO. We KNOW where terrorism comes from, but instead of addressing it from the perspective of prtection; we allow it undert the guise of "freedom & civil rights". In other words, terrorists are primarily Muslim, FROM the middle east. Instead of addressing that; we insist on the premise of allowing them into the country with the naive Idea that "not all are bad". While it's true that most Muslims mean no harm, our own ideology about it is what ensures that at some point, they'll attack us again, BECAUSE WE ALLOW IT.
    Part 2 is what you addressed, the idea that an attack by terrorists is a useful thing. It gets us the Patriot Act, TONS of new employment at airports, Homeland Security, the Bureaucracy gets larger, government & all it's minions get more powerful as a result.

    I personally think that there will be civil disturbances in the cities, bad ones. Right now, Sanford Florida has Black Panthers at one end, and Neo Nazis patrolling the outside at the other end. It's a lit fuse, and when the fighting starts, and I'm not talking civil war, just pure rioting & looting, I don't think the government wil be able to control it, at all. Think about your 19 year old kid in the Army at Ft Jackson, SC, getting called to Chicago to put down a riot. Not good.
    When this does happen, the obvious effect to America overall is in food shortages via non availability of transport hubs/cold & frozen food storage facilities in the centers of major cities.

    IF KREM 2 came on the air & said that a few truck laden with food will be late getting to Spokane, word woudl spread in a matter of hours, and trust me; the stores with food woudl be emptied in a matter of 24 hours. It's happened over & over, history DOES repeat itself.

  • concernedcitizen posted at 7:10 am on Sun, Apr 8, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530


    I agree with your last post. It is the government that is setting up this disaster and the people are so self absorbed to see it. To them, our point of view is extreme. DEATH is extreme, inevitable, but extreme just the same. They look forward to the one world order at the expense of many and do not realize what we/they will go through to get there.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:14 am on Sun, Apr 8, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Inclined, your post was very thoughful. Thank you.
    I also agree with it.

    Right now, as a Nation, we are befuddled, lost. And it's not something that happened overnight, this is INstitutional lost. It's not even conspiratorial in nature, just an overall "me for me" that has pervaded most every aspect of government, and many businesses.

    I sell Real Estate, and 99% of my Clients are "Preppers". They come here not only for our incredible area, but also largely for our people. While corruption exists here in North Idaho, ceertainly, it is NOTHING compared to where these people come from, Chicago, NYC, Atlanta, big cities, period. The people I sell to are some of America's best, they are creative, down to earth, respectful, and enormously appreciative of North Idaho, and her people.

    We are insulated here; we have it much better crime wise AND corruption wise than the rest of America, but one of the fundamental things that make our area better is our own outrage that we DO express when we see/comprehend something to be wrong; out of kilter, as in McKuen.

    We are witnessing the decline of America right now, folks. IMO, the only thing we can do to arrest it would be considered "radical" by most, and that's precisely why I think it's best to start a large garden, put aside food, ensure your water source, and prepare your family for the eventuality of not having food on the shelves at Costco.

    Again, we are LUCKY.
    North Idaho will be one of the places in America where civility will probably be retained, if we plan for it. Large cities will be chaos, horrifying places to be. Here, water will still flow, and the good nature of people will ensure that as a group, we will still thrive. Takes a community.
    And we have the BEST.

    Happy Easter all, God Bless-

  • inclined posted at 2:15 am on Sun, Apr 8, 2012.

    inclined Posts: 681

    Several of you have necessarily gone to national and international issues that most of us cannot handle, but nonetheless relates to our local governing principles and practices.

    If the workings of local politics is sometimes clouded with varying questionable agenda driven choices, it is not to wonder of the complexity and intrigue of a bigger theater and more expert operators. And, what seems more and more obvious: it is not just the complexity and enormity of issues, but the moral darkness that the engulfing obscurity predicates.

    Nietzsche said, "The strongest knowledge (that of the total unfreedom of the human will) is nonetheless the poorest in successes: for it always has the strongest opponent, human vanity". Certain political agendas cannot be said to have no success however; and the world has had their darkness for a long time. Billions of people have been lost to the reality of what only the insane cannot call evil.

    Our country is not above suffering what many nations have suffered. And what I am saying is, we might be catching up to what becomes a new kind of wrong for us here. We do not know, nor can see what the constant muddle and lies have been trying to foretell. Most nations do prove what Nietzsche
    stated. Our hollowness, our vanity might only insulate us from what is already upon us in the stealing and killing and destroying of what truly was greatness in so much of what we were.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 10:05 pm on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Great post, Why Not. Appreciate that.

    I personally think we are in a worse off situation that the Europeans, because we refuse to believe that we have an issue. When we seek to even allow the rate of attrition among public employees to take hold, the result is a government & politicians under extreme attack. The CAN'T slow down anything, look at the McKuen thing as an example. We all know that the economy needs jobs, and more money IN the economy, and what do we do, as a Nation?
    DENY it all.
    I am in 1,000% agreement with you on carbons, obviously we need to grow our own, per se. But until we have the WILLPOWER to do this AND cut spending drastically, we will slide further into the abyss, and no amount of Romney or Obama will fix it.
    As other countries work to rid themselves of the dollar, as they are currently, the dollar becomes vastly weaker, and thus inflation that DOES exist skyrockets. The premise that there isn't a serious problem with inflation right now is underlaid with the ideal that government (Federal) will do ANYTHING to keep interest rates low.
    Because the MINUTE they go up, the Federal Government is doomed. And so are we. The only reaosn that it is able to go on right now is because of low rates. As soon as they go up; at all, maybe a point or so, the party is going to be over, quickly. By the time they get to 4%, I'll be in my Bunker.

  • Why Not posted at 7:59 pm on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    Why Not Posts: 5326

    I’m not an economist I’m an engineer, high finance is not my forte, but I know enough to speak around stepping in tiger traps. Your citation is from an opinion written this week by Larry Goodman, who I highly respect. He was pointed out the demand for US debt is not limitless and I agree; it only serves to weaken the dollar and press the value of commodities. People don’t want our IOU’s because and because the world’s largest customers are the Chinese and the Russians, go figure.

    The Federal government does in fact need to pare back spending so that it is manageable, but we are not in a situation comparable to the EU where they have resorted to painful austerity. Second, failure to manage the debt load as the Fed is doing would result in massive inflation.

    So how do we fix it? I think we Americans need to use our own resources. This country is now the third largest producer of hydrocarbons globally, but we still import gasoline, why? We have created a legal juggernaut of environmental regulations and overlapping federal agencies that make mining, refining and drilling on public lands next uncompetitive. Why is it not okay to have polluting industry in the US, but it is okay to import the finished goods from elsewhere? Rather hypocritical of us don’t you think? We need to embrace our resources in order to reduce the debt, as long as Congress has its access to spending severely curtailed and at least part of the proceeds from public lands are reinvested to develop replacement fuel technologies things can change almost painlessly.

    Joe I know a lot about SEA, I spend about 60 days a year in these countries and I can assure you that they are booming. India, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia and Vietnam are really booming and except for India these countries like the United States and are terrified of China which is killing their industries and trying to exert control beyond their intention to take Taiwan. My opinion like friends in the region is that India, Australia and the United States are forming stronger military alliances and with the help of Vietnam, Thailand and the Philippines will help to secure stability of the free markets in the region. Fortunately China is very unstable and there are signs of possible impending unrest as the Communist party is currently fighting among themselves, here’s a link. Interesting stuff.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:37 pm on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Why not, TELL ME how we are going to stop spendng money? There is NO political party in America with the actual will power to do this. The demcrats think we can just print money forver, and the republicans can't slow spending because demcrats make them look like they're shoving grandma off the ledge, in order to get elected or stay elected.
    You MISS the point.
    The Federal Reserve bought 61% of our debt last year. That means that we are responsible for creating additionally gargantuan amounts of debt, all in the name of keeping interest rates down. Here's the kicker; when rates hit (prime) 4.5%, INTEREST on the debt will swallow ALL income taxes, period.
    You said that these countries are "booming"-
    "South East Asia, Africa, Australia, Latin America, Eastern Europe, Russia and even the Middle East"
    OK, look.
    SE Asia is NOT "booming". It is close to recessing, as it's PRIMARY consumer is America, and we're out of money.
    Africa is NOT "booming" with the exception of oil countries & gold/mineral depoit countries.
    Latin America is NOT "booming", I have zero idea where that came from. The only ones doing OK are the oil economies of Venezuela & Brazil, and both are ready for Coups.
    Eastern Europe is a disaster.
    Russia is worse.
    And you seriously say "look, the Middle East is doing OK".....REALLY?
    I WONDER if the 100+ PPB oil has ANYTHING to do with it?
    Nope, must be how well they manage their economy.
    Give me a break.

  • Why Not posted at 6:27 am on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    Why Not Posts: 5326

    You cite many accurate points, but the situation while difficult is not overwhelming, especially here in the US. The single most important driver of global commerce is American case law. America is a safe haven for the creation and continuation of successful commerce. This is actually our big stick and this is why China will never be a super power.

    You cite many problems with the EU which is not a Republic. It was the Germans primarily, along with Goldman Sachs that loaned the money that helped fuel unsustainable benefits in countries with economies that were incapable of supporting such lavishness. The retirement age for Greek civil servants was 55 and they were given 37 holidays paid annually. Problem is nobody was paying any taxes.

    Now Joe, look on the bright side. South East Asia, Africa, Australia, Latin America, Eastern Europe, Russia and even the Middle East are booming. As Cramer says, there's always a bull market somewhere and in America, now the third largest hydrocarbon producer in the world, is on the verge breaking out and gaining traction. We have problems and fear is one of them. This country is more divided than at any time since the Civil War, we need to change that and that starts with compromise in our politics, extremism is never healthy.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 3:48 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    For you Liberal Ladies & RINOS who think it's all good, and YES whynot, I already built my bunker, and no; you're not invited.
    IF you think everythign is fine, think again. That's what makes the morons in office so dolt like, and what makes those of you who support their out of control spending look even dumber than you already do; which ain't easy:

    #1 According to one new survey, approximately one-third of all Americans are not paying their bills on time at this point.

    #2 The U.S. housing industry is bracing for another huge wave of foreclosures in 2012. The following is from a recent Reuters article....

    "We are right back where we were two years ago. I would put money on 2012 being a bigger year for foreclosures than 2010," said Mark Seifert, executive director of Empowering & Strengthening Ohio's People (ESOP), a counseling group with 10 offices in Ohio.
    #3 The Citigroup Economic Surprise Index, a key indicator watched by many economists, is on the verge of heading into negative territory.

    #4 We are supposed to be in the middle of an economic recovery in the United States, but bad news just keeps pouring in from major companies. For example, Yahoo is firing thousands of workers and Best Buy is closing dozens of stores.

    #5 Richard Russell says that the "big money" is starting to quietly exit from the financial markets....

    "My guess is that this is the big money that has been holding off as long as it decently can -- and then dumping their goods just before the close. I don't think the big money likes this market, and I think they have been slowly exiting this market, as quietly as they can."
    #6 Goldman Sachs is projecting that the S&P 500 will fall by about 11 percent by the end of 2012.

    #7 All over the country, local governments are going into default and we have not even entered the next recession yet.

    #8 The U.S. government will add more to the national debt in 2012 than it did from the time that George Washington became president to the time that Ronald Reagan became president.

    #9 The Federal Reserve is desperately trying to control interest rates. The Fed purchased approximately 61 percent of all government debt issued by the U.S. Treasury Department in 2011. This is the only thing that is keeping interest rates in the United States from soaring dramatically.

    #10 German industrial production is falling at a pace that is far faster then expected.

    #11 Italy's debt-to-GDP ratio is now up to 120 percent.

    #12 The Spanish government admitted on Tuesday that Spain's debt-to-GDP ratio will rise by more than 11 percent this year alone.

    #13 Yields on Spanish bonds are rising to dangerous levels.

    #14 The Spanish government is projecting that the unemployment rate in Spain will exceed 24 percent by the end of the year.

    #15 Unemployment in the eurozone as a whole has risen for 10 months in a row and is now at a 15 year high.

    #16 In the aftermath of a 77-year-old retiree killing himself in front of the Greek parliament in protest over pension cuts, the economic rioting in Greece has flared back up dramatically.

    #17 At this point, Greece is experiencing an economic depression with no end in sight. Some of the statistics coming out of Greece are really hard to believe. For example, one port town in Greece now has an unemployment rate of approximately 60 percent.

    #18 The IMF is asking the United States to contribute more money for European bailouts.

    #19 At this point, even some of our top scientists are projecting economic trouble. For example, researchers at MIT are projecting a "global economic collapse" by the year 2030 if current trends continue.

    But the truth is that we will experience a "global economic collapse" long before 2030 comes rolling around.

    Let us hope that we still have at least several more months of economic prosperity in the United States before things really fall apart.

    The truth is that the vast majority of Americans need more time to prepare for what is coming.

    Sadly, most Americans are not preparing. Most Americans have blind faith that those in positions of power are going to fix everything and set us on the path to even greater prosperity than ever before.

    Unfortunately, all Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and Barack Obama have been doing is kicking the can down the road and making our eventual collapse much worse.

    As many of us have painfully learned, you can run from debt for a while, but you can't hide from it forever. Eventually debt catches up with you, and when it does it can be very cruel.

    The 15 trillion dollar party is coming to an end, and the consequences of decades of very foolish decisions are going to fall on this generation.

  • JonnyQPubic posted at 10:46 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    JonnyQPubic Posts: 325

    I'll glady sign a petition for term limits in CdA.

  • Brent Regan posted at 9:38 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Brent Regan Posts: 740

    If you want to sign the petition, Recall CDA will have a table set up at the Candidate Forum on April 11th at the Greyhound Park (doors open at 5:00, program at 6:00).

  • Why Not posted at 9:04 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Why Not Posts: 5326

    Chouli, because I spent three freaking hours going over the four years of the city budget, it's a well oiled machine.

    Oh I hated LCDC and still am not completely comfortable, but I must admit that they have cleaned up their act and they are getting things done, much faster than government can. In retrospect, the LCDC operating during the real estate a go-go (2005-2008) was under immense pressure. Disclosure about projects would have jeopardized their work and potentially cost taxpayers millions.

    Have you noticed the price of gas, is that the Mayor's fault as well? Everything is going up. I saw a tomato for $3 at S1 the other day. Maybe I can start a recall against Ron McIntyre for raising prices in his stores.

    "Once the park is started, the investment will be a "no turning back" moment and tax money WILL be used to fund the remaining project. it's just the camel's nose under the tent". The fear factor, yea it's a gamble, but leaving it as it is, that's like a pimple on a princess. Should we all give up and build doomsday shelters like Joe?

  • chouli posted at 8:43 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1294

    lola and whynot, how can you possibly say/think the mceuen park will not increase our taxes or use any tax dollars to build? that's just ridiculous and you are mis-leading others. you like to spout the recall folks being misleading but it's you who are misleading! hello pot, meet kettle!

    LCDC IS our tax dollars being diverted to this project.
    the maintenance costs will increase.
    do you forget that our taxes were recently increased for the pathetic reasons of needing to buy a copy machine, library books and police car upgrades?? if those items needed to raise our taxes what do you think a mega-park will do?

    once the park is started, the investment will be a "no turning back" moment and tax money WILL be used to fund the remaining project. it's just the camel's nose under the tent.

    WHY do we need to spend this much money on a park?? it's a lot of money to turn a perfectly nice park into a tourist-driven-extravaganza park...and for what? is there some kind of time limit on building parks that we HAVE to do it right now? the economy is down, people are struggling to make ends meet and yet, our city wants to build a 40 million park?? Even spending 14 million on phase 1 is too much right now.

    I watched the city council meeting earlier this week on tv in the comfort of my home. I recommend that everyone do that when any contentious items are on the agdenda. It's a real eye opener! The indifference for what the citizens want is visible. The rudeness of Woody was surprising and I was embarressed for him...obviously he was accustomed to acting out. Plz watch the's enlightening.

  • milburnschmidt posted at 8:12 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

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    JOEIDAHO is right again and its suprising how many people dismiss a mmillion here a million there as if its chump change. Some folks dont know how to handle money properly and it seems they get elected annd prove their lack of responsibility. Many posters here favor gutting the Defense dept budget to save money but I just read that in a few years the interest on the Natl debt will exceed that budget. With the Liberal spenders around here who get off spending others money to make themselves feel relevant perhaps they can achieve boosting our debt to record levels with all thhe new visions they havve on the back burner. after all they never just stop they have to come up with new ideas or wither or be replaced. Siccem Joeidaho.

  • Why Not posted at 7:55 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Why Not Posts: 5326

    Dear Joe-I, it’s called…..Inflation, A general increase in prices and fall in the purchasing value of money. Spending power Joe-I, as the cost of goods go up, a unit of currency purchases less, that’s why we have Progress Joe. It takes money to make more money and to pay the higher wages to maintain personal incomes, oh and because of competition an education is very helpful too.

    Disclaimer to all you Ron Pauler’s – Currency, no matter what you use (Paper, Gold, Rock, Scissors, Sand Dollars) fluctuates in value because of supply and demand. The act of fluctuation causes prices and wages to rise and fall. For instance my first job paid 1.60 an hour and gas was .42 per gallon. I know this may come as a shock, but Economics is not a science Joe-I.

  • Why Not posted at 6:26 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Why Not Posts: 5326

    First, I was advised by my mother that I may have erred; the Republican Women may not have been responsible for the handout full of misinformation.

    KK is this recall nonsense not mainly about the issue at hand, the $14.2 Million to update the field, move the ball field and revamp that access and parking area, etc... I don’t think we’ve heard the last of the grander and more costly “ideas” that are in the “estimated” $40M overall scope of this project (B*LLs to the wall, do the whole project). Many people, including me do not support all of the “concepts”, but making over the park is a top priority and it looks awesome. Look again, the city has money and the city is very well run financially. Give it up on LCDC, they make things happen and they have done a lot to improve the way they do business and I personally took a Big Bat to Tony and company.

    Hey Joe haven’t dueled with you in some time, how’s that doomsday shelter coming? If you need a couple of spare shovels let me know, okay?

  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:24 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    What's hypocritical is when someone comes & espouses the idea of allowing a PUBLIC EMPLOYEE to negotiate their wage, in what is basically a GUARANTEED JOB that will be there regardless of what the economy does.

    The PRIMARY reason we have all the issues in America that we have is BECAUSE of your "Moderate Republicans, Independents and the typical Idaho blue-dog Democrats". You all live in this lost world where spending can always go up, cuz the "people" will always pay more taxes. When we stand against it, you whine that you need to "take back" something, which is in fact idiocy.
    In 1776, you would be the British Supporters, and we would be the Revolutionaries. Nothing has changed, excepting that more people are on the government leech line now than in 1776.

    Communists are DEMOCRATS, including obozo. Poison for America, bad for every one of us.

  • DoBaLSOS posted at 10:47 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    DoBaLSOS Posts: 33

    First I find it amusing that these hypocritical people that want you to sign a petition for change, didn't want Educators to have a successful petition to repeal the Luna laws. So much for the people's opinion.
    Second, one has to wonder if Hagadone has an interest in this petition. The paper does a survey where 2 of the 3 questions imply a "pro-recall" response, then add the 2 responses together to show a majority.

    Moderate Republicans, Independents and the typical Idaho blue-dog Democrats need to take this country, state, city and community back from the fear-mongers. This group of haters are ignorant to how they are being used by corporate America to promote what is best for the 1%. If you are typing on this pathetic blog, you are not one of the 1%, nor will you ever be part of it.
    No amount of free-market; anti-tax; hate-government... rhetoric will change the facts.
    Nobody is coming to get your guns
    More (illegals) people have been deported in the last 3 years, than at any time during the Bush Admin.
    Nothing is going to trickle down, unless its down your leg
    The duly elected President was born in Hawaii (which is a state in AMERICA)
    And whether or not you believe he is a Christian, the Constitution says its none of your business if he is or not
    Last but not least, until you know what the difference between a socialist and a fascist is you don't get to call someone that name or else you just make yourself out to be stupid.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 10:01 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Why Not, typical of himself, says:
    "Hey; it's ONLY $14 MILLION DOLLARS".

    And then the infamous:
    "It's good for you"
    Just like obamacare..which is... UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

    Time for a little Revolution.....boot em out.
    R E C A L L

  • kimknerl posted at 9:37 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    kimknerl Posts: 286

    *sorry about the typo, should read:
    actual numbers from the link you listed in your comment.

  • kimknerl posted at 9:34 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    kimknerl Posts: 286

    Why Not,
    The $14.2 million estimates are only for phase I of the part makeover, basically to build a parking structure and an attempt to discourage boaters from launching at the 3rd street ramp by taking away the adjacent parking. The actual cost estimates for the entire project are more like $33 million to $39 million, actual numbers from the like you listed in your comment.

    The City is somewhat limited as to what they can do at the moment, being that LCDC currently does not have the total amount of “magic” money to supply the entire project. When I say “magic” money I am making that statement based on your beliefs that what LCDC has in their account is not tax dollars, which it certainly is. You seem to think these dollars just magically appear somehow, but just where do you think it comes from? You see, the Mayor and a few City Council members have gone on about how this park would be built without taking City tax dollars, so until LCDC has more to offer, the park project is limited as to what they can do, or, option “B” the Mayor and her court jesters go ahead and lie to the citizens once again and tap into taxes. The goal is to get something started before it can be stopped.

    It will be interesting to see where this goes when one or more of the current City Council is gone, either by recall, or the general elections which will take place in a year and a half. Plus, something else to look forward to could be the demise of the always shady, ignoring conflicts of interest, LCDC.

  • lola123 posted at 8:57 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    lola123 Posts: 352

    Well said Why Not.
    Finally a truthful analysis of this debacle created by this short sighted group of individuals who have no interest in providing for a better community. They are only concerned with saving themselves a few dollars while they post away perpetrating half and un-truths only further their own selfish agenda.

  • ancientemplar posted at 8:51 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    ancientemplar Posts: 1287

    Why not posted below "The city has the money in place thanks to the Parks Fund and incremental financing from LCDC." Sounds and looks like property taxes to me. It walks, talks and looks like .....TAXES

  • Why Not posted at 7:49 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    Why Not Posts: 5326

    Stay with me, this is long winded. This evening has been a maze of websites and PDF’s concerning this fiasco. First and foremost, the Recall Cda has ZERO information (; unless of course you are interested in registering to vote or making a donation to them.

    What I find very disconcerting is the amount of erroneous information being used to convince people that this project is wrong, too expensive and a project intended to boost the personal fortunes of certain people. The City of Coeur d’Alene is a very well run from a financial standpoint and the people who have tirelessly staked their reputations on the future of Coeur d’Alene should be commended, not tarred and feathered as Recall CDA and local Republican officials would like. When did the Republican Party become so anti progress? When did the Republican Party decide that cooperation between government and business was bad?

    Members of the Republican leadership supporting this nonsense, along with the usual CDA Anti-Anti’s should be seriously ashamed of the misinformation you are spreading about the McEuen project. Like it or not, the lies and misrepresentation of facts are just shocking.

    The cost of the park makeover is estimated at $14.2M not $40M as the handbill circulated by the Republican Women suggests. Where is the money coming from? Mary Souza will have you believe that it’s tax dollars and increased property taxes. No even remotely correct. The city has the money in place thanks to the Parks Fund and incremental financing from LCDC. Go to the McEuen website, it actually works, and read the facts before subscribing to this witch hunt ( Call the Mayor’s office or go to City Hall and get a copy of the “real cost estimates”, then read them yourself. This is a project that I hated, but have come to like. It’s a good plan and the city leadership while not perfect has done a good job on a project that will benefit the entire area for many years to come.

  • concernedcitizen posted at 7:40 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    I see thom, who does not even live here, is throwing his 2 cents in again.

  • milburnschmidt posted at 6:24 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    milburnschmidt Posts: 1160

    If nothing else perhaps the four will be a little more open in the next few months and on their best behavior facing a recall. If not then lets hope those who have complained turn out vote.A little grass roots democracy once in awhile can be a refreshing thing if needed.

  • Thaddeus posted at 6:00 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    Thaddeus Posts: 232

    Keep digging! ROTFLMAO!!!!

    (d) Wilfully or knowingly circulates, publishes or exhibits any false statement or representation concerning the contents, purport or effect of any recall petition for the purpose of obtaining any signature to any such petition, or for the purpose of persuading any person to sign any such recall petition;

  • lexacon posted at 5:45 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    lexacon Posts: 80


    I do not support you efforts on many things, actually, nothing at all most times, however, I will support you and your efforts with this recall as will many members of my family.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 5:22 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    And that's why I DO NOT support the Reagan Republicnas in Coeurd'alene. They are RINOs.

  • Why Not posted at 4:33 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    Why Not Posts: 5326

    Yea I know I'm spoiling all the good vibes and all here, but talk about conflicts, are the Reagan Repubnot’s not also supporting the Souza attempt to recall elected members of the council for doing the hard job? Isn’t Gookin on the board of the Reagan Repubnots? Granted I read this on another post, but it does seem a bit like strange bedfellows. A sitting City Councilmember voting to oust other team members of the same City Council, of course Dan must have recused himself from such a vote.

  • LTRLTR posted at 3:58 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Go to for additional information. You can sign up to volunteer and make a donation if you wish to do so.

    We can have our vote on McEuen Field by signing the petition and working the recall movement. Help stop the City Hall Insanity!


  • JoeIdaho posted at 3:48 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Now is the time for action, sign the petitions, people.
    (UNLESS you LIKE elected government officials spending your money like water)

  • immortal posted at 3:23 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    immortal Posts: 258

    Hopefully Cda residents will realize that this is as close as they're likely to get for a vote on McEuen. Sign this petition people. Not necessarily to throw these 4 lackeys out but to get a vote in November. Then decide what you should do. Without this your checkbook will be owned an operated by the city council for the benefit of downtown business - and one in particular.

  • Godmother posted at 3:04 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    Godmother Posts: 8

    Goodlander has no integrity - never had any and never will. Woody is a puppy dog - willing to please whomever throws him a bone. Bloom is a puppet - lines her pockets with payola. Kennedy only has 2 brain cells left. Should have added Gookin to the list - his next book should be Excuses for Dummies.

  • cdaterry1 posted at 2:42 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    cdaterry1 Posts: 56

    Goodlander could do the honorable thing and resign from the city council since she is on Both the lcdc board and city council.....a Complete conflict of interest.....goodlander - show some integrity

  • Mary Souza posted at 2:41 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    Mary Souza Posts: 814

    Yes, this is great news! The petitions are now being printed and then the signature gathering can begin.

    Please remember that the only thing the Recall signatures do is put the officials on the ballot this November, so ALL voters in CdA will be able to support them or vote them out. We will have a VOTE!

    All the folks angry about the recall are forgetting that citizens have a constitutional right to "alter our government whenever we deem it necessary." If you don't agree with altering the status quo you will have a chance to vote in favor of keeping them. You get a VOTE too!

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