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Posted: Saturday, February 9, 2013 12:00 am | Updated: 12:12 am, Sat Feb 9, 2013.

COEUR d'ALENE - Quanah Matheson's voice filled the few spaces left Friday at the Human Rights Education Institute.

The Coeur d'Alene Tribe's culture director sang in the language of the Tribe as about 140 people listened during the opening of the institute's newest exhibit. The installment explores the culture and history of the Coeur d'Alenes.

Matheson said it was a "thank you and an honoring song" remembering Cliff SiJohn, a Tribe elder who died in December. The exhibit is dedicated to the Tribe, in memory of SiJohn, who was active in the preservation of Coeur d'Alene culture.

"It's really hard to put our story in this much space," Matheson said. "We've been here since time immemorial."

The exhibit marks the first time a large-scale display of the Tribe's history has been installed in the city that bears its name. The artifacts and antiquities provide a window to the way the world once was for the Coeur d'Alenes, while celebrating many of the Tribe's traditions that continue today.

Glass cases hold stone scrapers and pestles, summoning images of Coeur d'Alenes removing hides from deer and elk, grinding roots and berries to be used as medicine.

Beadwork, woven cedar baskets, regalia and other clothing items can be viewed.

Leather, beaded religious items used by the Jesuit priests at the Sacred Heart Mission are on display.

Before Matheson spoke, the Shooting Star Dancers, a group of Coeur d'Alene children, performed, swirling and stepping their way through traditional dances.

Tribe member Philomena Nomee explained the significance of the dances as the children performed.

"We teach our kids to dance from the time they can walk," Nomee said.

She also noted that the children's performance at the opening was not only notable for its cultural connection. Several of the dancers were Cliff SiJohn's grandchildren.

Matheson said SiJohn was a good person whose actions always came from the heart.

"In the last days of his life, I would go to see him and he would say, 'Thank you for being in my presence," Matheson said, adding that the institute's mission is a high priority for the Tribe.

Institute director Tom Carter said his organization's relationship with the Tribe extends beyond a mutual desire to celebrate diversity and strive for respect for all people.

"They're so willing to give. They've given $20 million to education. I don't want to just take, take, take," Carter said.

City Councilman Dan Gookin said he's glad to see the exhibit in town.

"This is awesome," Gookin said. "This is important. This is our name."

Coeur d'Alene resident Padma Rutley said she was excited to see the large turnout at Friday's event.

"I like the age difference I see," said Rutley's husband, Tom, noting that the crowd comprised all ages from toddlers to seniors.

The exhibit is the result of a partnership between the Human Rights Education Institute, the Coeur d'Alene Tribe, the Sacred Encounters exhibit at the Coeur d'Alene's Old Mission State Park and Idaho State Parks and Recreation. The exhibit will also feature artifacts from various African tribes from Ghana and other West African countries.

"Many Cultures, One World" is free and open to the public through December 2013 from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. Monday through Friday and 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. Saturdays.

HREI is on the corner of Coeur d'Alene City Park in the red brick building.

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  • Mahiun posted at 12:39 pm on Thu, Feb 14, 2013.

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    Well, yeah, okay --- never been to Key West (I know, I know: "A gay man who's never been to Key West??! [[gasp]]), but I get your point. I feel that way about Denver: I've never liked it, I'm never going to. It feels unfriendly and much too full of itself for my taste, and every time I'm there, I'm just counting the minutes until I can get out, even though I have friends there and we have good times when we get together.

    But, that's just "uncomfortable", not any kind of overt action against me (or anyone else, as far as I can see). I haven't seen any kind of specific prejudice or racism directed at me in Denver because of my race, and I haven't seen any specific homophobia directed at me there, either. I know plenty of white gay guys who just love Denver, but it's just not my kind of town. Can't really put my finger on it, but it just doesn't feel comfortable, friendly, or welcoming, to me.

    Again, though, that's the 'hunch" thing I was talking about with Joe. Feeling uncomfortable or having a "hunch" you're not welcome is not much to go on, and certainly not cause for "outrage". I feel uncomfortable in much of American suburbia; it's just not my kind of place. I feel uncomfortable at baby showers for co-workers, but I've attend them and just grin and bear it. But neither of those things even begins to rise to the level of a charge, complaint, investigation, or "outrage". They're just outside my comfort zone, is all.

    And I suspect that, even for you and Joey, the same would probably be true if you were to go into a gay bar. It's not the "den of iniquity" that many people around here seem to believe. At least at the kinds of places I frequent, it's just a lot of bigger, older guys talking and laughing, and maybe watching a game on the big screen --- pretty much like any other bar anywhere, except that there are far fewer women (but yes, women can and do go into gay bars). The only "outrageous" part is the quality of most of the cocktails at gay bars ----- bleccchh! (Which is why most guys stick to beer.)

    My point in all of this being that I think you guys (you and Joe) would probably experience the same kind of thing that I experience at a baby shower: kind of a "fish out of water" feeling, or "how does this work, exactly?" feeling of being out of your element and slightly uncomfortable. And it sounds to me like that's pretty much what you're both describing when you go onto the rez.

    But that is not enough to generate a complaint, a charge, or "outrage". And you said yourself that your money is welcome, so even if it's a little unfriendly, they're not really treating you all that differently from other customers, or denying you anything or telling you that "your kind isn't welcome here" or asking you to leave. You're not really being discriminated against, you're just facing a little hostility, maybe, and being made to feel uncomfortable.. It might be a trifle racist on their part, but it's not anything illegal or worth getting all that worked up about --- just shrug it off, as we gay guys learn to shrug off the constant questions about "How's your wife?" from people who don't know us and just assume we're married --- to a woman --- because we look like we're the right age, and well, after all, every man that age is married to a woman, right??!

    Okay, I'm rambling now. I'll stop. But I hope you take my point: being uncomfortable, even if you're certain that they intend for you to be uncomfortable, is not the same as something actually being said or done to you. It's unfortunate, it's probably race-based (I suspect you guys may be right about that, at least), but......that's it. It's not illegal, it's just rude, is all. Sorry.......

    (P.S.: For what it's worth, both your money and you would likely be prefectly welcome in that hypothetical gay bar I mentioned. Just be friendly and yourself, and they'll do the same --- but there are no gaming tables, sorry. ;-) )

     
  • Mahiun posted at 11:02 am on Wed, Feb 13, 2013.

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    Oh, Joe.......

    ...reality is that in America TODAY, there are really pretty few people, I think who would single you out for bad treatment over your being gay
    No, Joe, that is not the "reality", even in 2013. That's not even close to being the reality.

    There's the case of Kenny Shaw, who was attacked in Baltimore last Christmas Eve and gay-based so severely he was almost unrecognizable, and nearly died. This stuff still goes on all the time, ben in San Francisco. I have a personal acquaintance down there whose partner was beaten so severely --- in San Francisco! --- that he has been hospitalized for 2 weeks and counting, he may require transplants, and he remains in critical condition.

    There are the cases of Lisa Howe (TN), Vandy Beth Glenn (GA), Michael Carney (MA), Jodie O'Brien (WI/WA), Peter TerVeer (DC), all of them fired for being gay --- and not back in the 60's or 70's, but within the past couple of years! And this is till perfectly legal in Idaho and several other states. When was the last time you felt your job was in danger, because you were married to a woman?

    I know personally of a lesbian couple who moved to Idaho from Massachusetts because one of them received a promotion that required the move. They were legally married in Massachusetts, and the one with the "transfer" job had her disabled wife on her employer-provided insurance. But, after moving to Idaho, they were no longer considered married under state law --- and thus, the company refused to continue keeping her wife on the spousal policy. They wren't required to, under Idaho law, and they weren't going to. The wife being dialed with a "pre-existing condition", she could not qualify for a policy of her own.

    There's the case of Staff Sgt. Tracy Dice, part of the first same-sex married military couple to suffer a casualty since DADT was repealed. Tracy is a military veteran's widow, but because of DOMA, will be denied any and all widow's benefits by the military. They have no choice; DOMA compels them to deny the benefits, even though Tracy Dice was legally married to a veteran who died in combat.

    And the list goes on..... GLBT people face this sort of thing, and a whole lot more, every day of our lives. You don't notice it, you don't believe it happens, because it doesn't happen to you, so in your world, it's invisible and therefore doesn't really happen. But it does happen, and instead of just "playing passive victim", we're finally fighting back and working to change things.

    But if you really, truly, honestly feel that life in America as a GLBT person is just great big ol' piece of cake, or a stroll through the park, then here's a challenge for you, Joe: go assume a new identity, as a gay man with a partner or boyfriend, for a year, in.......let's say rural Mississippi. You don't even have to "do it" with your make-believe partner --- you just have to make others think that you do. Hold his hand when you walk down the street, put your arms around each other's waists. give him a peck on the cheek now and then. Just be seen going places and doing things together, always in each other's company. Make it clear that the two of you live together. Create a Facebook profile for your fake identity and let him be public (but discreet) about being gay. Apply for a marriage license. Get a job and put his picture on your desk. Be a volunteer for a GLBT Film Festival, and wear the t-shirt. Just live honestly as an out gay man with a partner, in that place or even just in Coeur d'Alene, idaho, for a year. Then come back and tell us how cushy an experience it was, and how easy you had it, and we'll talk. Up for it??

    As for the rest: well, good for you if you've hired and/or defended gay persons. But that still leaves them dependent on your whims and mood of the moment. You could decide tomorrow that, even though they've done outstanding work, you're just not comfortable around gay people, and they're history. And they would have absolutely no recourse, in Idaho. You could decide (and there are plenty of employers out there who DO!) that it's perfectly okay for Fred to have a picture of his wife Judy on his desk, but it's "over the top" for Frieda to have a picture of her wife Judy. Maybe you would decide that, maybe you woudn't --- but the point isn't whether you would, it's the fact that you could, at any time, leaving Frieda completely at the mercy of your moods and goodwill, with her job in constant jeopardy and not a friggin' thing she could do about it.

    That's not a "special right", Joe, that's a special wrong. And that's what we're working to get rid of. No one should have to constantly worry about losing their job because of who they date or marry.

    You think that my sexual orientation is the focus of my life, because that's what ends up getting discussed in here. You think that their tribal identity is the focus of members of the Cd'A tribe is the focus of their lives, because that's what ends up getting identified in here. I think that "ultra-conservative Christian" is the focus of your life because that's what ends up getting discussed in here. But if the truth were known, I strongly believe that, most of the time, those things really take a back seat to day-to-day concerns like paying the mortgage, making sure the car gets registered in time, wondering why the waistline in your paths seems to get smaller and smaller, worrying if you need to see a doctor about that little spot on your forehead, noticing that you're out of milk again, wondering why there's nothing on tv worth watching..... These parts of our identities --- gay, straight, tribal membership, conservative, Christian, non-Christian, whatever --- are not our entire identities. But neither should we have to hide them or pretend they are not what they are......

     
  • Mahiun posted at 9:12 am on Wed, Feb 13, 2013.

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    Joe, why are you asking me all these questions?! I don't know anything about it, so I can't really say anything about it, and I'm not in a position to do anything about it. This is what I mean about not just speaking up, but speaking up to the right people.

    So, first question: do you have evidence, other than a hunch? Do you have something that will give specifics: date, time, who was involved, what happened, where it happened? Without that, you probably won't get very far, because without evidence all you've really got is hearsay, gossip, or a hunch. And you're right: that's not likely to generate much outrage.

    Have you actually experienced any of this? Have you witnessed it? In either case, if you have witnessed or experienced it, have you brought charges or filed a complaint? If not, why not? Would you be willing to?

    Have you spoken to other people who have witnessed it or experienced it? Would they be willing to bring charges or file a complaint?

    Have you spoken to tribal authorities? If so, what was their response? Did you document when you spoke to them and who you spoke to? If you did not go to tribal authorities, why not?

    Have you spoken to Benewah County authorities? Same follow-up questions as before, with the tribal authorities....

    Have you spoken to Tony Stewart and/or the HREI, to ask someone to investigate and look into this, to see if there's something there that law enforcement should be made aware of?

    The problem, right now, is that there's nothing specific to be outraged about. You haven't provided any specifics or examples, and "everybody knows" or "it's common knowledge" just aren't enough. Apparently, it's not common knowledge, or you wouldn't need to be telling us about it here and now.

    I could be wrong --- maybe you really HAVE contacted all the authorities and spoken to the HREI, and gotten nowhere. And if that's the case, then I absolutely share your sense of frustration and outrage at something that should not be happening: both the bullying you claim takes place, and the inaction on the part of the authorities. But if you have not spoken up to the right people, then you can hardly blame them for failing to take action on charges you never brought or reports you never filed or investigations you never requested.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 3:31 pm on Tue, Feb 12, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    WHY, Mahiun, is there SUCH a total double standard?
    THINK about it for a minute....if anyone of color was attacked, misused, abused, anythign, by anyone in Coerd'alene, the HRI would be up in arms. A school board member says the WORDS Black" & "Gun" & what happens?
    Total uproar.
    BUT......in Plummer we have white kids getting abused by inidian kids, BECAUSE they're white, and what happens?
    NOTHING.
    This stuff is widely known....
    And your answer is to "speak up". I do, and what do you say? "Well, if there's proof"....but never any outrage.

     
  • Mahiun posted at 1:18 pm on Tue, Feb 12, 2013.

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    So how does all of this relate to the Cd'A Tribe? Simple; it's the same basic idea: let them decide what works for them, and quit trying to tell them how to live their lives! Let their government work it out with your government; that's that they're for. So long as the law is being followed, back off. If you --- or they --- feel there is something wrong going on or that the law itself is unfair, speak up! But make sure you're speaking to the right people, and taking the right steps to make those changes happen.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 1:15 pm on Tue, Feb 12, 2013.

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    Mahiun, reality is that in America TODAY, there are really pretty few people, I think who would single you out for bad treatment over your being gay. The times when it WILL happen is when you make the premise of your sexuality the focus of your life; and INSIST on shouting it from the rooftops.
    Why is this?
    Well, I'm a Christian, and my beliefs are MY beliefs, but if I begin to use them out loud, constantly bringing them up in most everyting I do, with people who are either not Christian or don't believe in God the same way i do, I am going to get ostracized. People son't want to HEAR about your private life, or your beliefs, regardless if they are Christian or gay, or both. IF you insist on showing yourself as gay, and it's so important that as a man, you peak like a woman, get ready for trouble. SAME thing goes if you say "God Bless you" to everyone you meet.
    My take is simple, as I said before, I have stood up for & gotten hit pretty good over standing up for some gay men who weren't hurting anyone, but that's just my HUMAN side. I'd do the same thing for a Hindu, or a Catholic. The big thing, to me; is wether or not you or anyone who is gay USES their sexuality to PROVOKE a response. "Protected Class" laws IMO open up a pandora's box of idiocy because in the gay population, just like in all the REST of the "population" there ARE idiots who will use the "protective" laws to initiate a lot of trouble for anyone they can.
    For YOUR information, I have had plenty of people work for me that were gay, plenty of clients the same way, and like anyone else, I've been around them forever. Don't confuse my disagreement with thier way of life with my toleration for what they do; this is (2) very different things.

     
  • Mahiun posted at 1:02 pm on Tue, Feb 12, 2013.

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    Same for PDAs. Nobody's asking for permission to get it on in the middle of Sherman Avenue. That would be pretty revolting, regardless of who was doing it. But it's hard to imagine what could possibly be so objectionable about seeing couples holding hands, sharing a quick kiss, or walking with their arms around each other --- regardless of the gender of the couples. I would have to say that anyone who's offended by seeing two people being affectionate is the one "playing victim", and looking for something to be offended by.

     
  • Mahiun posted at 12:56 pm on Tue, Feb 12, 2013.

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    So, Joe, back to you for a minute: what is this "special" treatment that you think I'm asking for? You never have defined it or why you think equal rights are somehow "special". Nobody is asking for special rights; all we're asking is to stop the special wrongs. I don't need the government to step in and tell my employer that I cannot be fired, even if I mess up badly, because I'm "special" --- and that's not what I'm asking for. But in Idaho, I could lose my job simply for being seen coming out of the wrong place or kissing the wrong person --- which has nothing at all to do with how well I do my job. Being able to date who I want (and be seen doing it) isn't a special right, Joe --- but being fired for it is a special wrong, and it's absolutely appropriate for the government to say so. Employers are not gods, even in Idaho. Fair is fair, but sometimes it does take specific laws to get that point across.

    It does not in any way diminish your rights when another group gains rights that you've always had.

    Nor do I want to push anything down your throat. (Although I have commented before that I find it interesting that so many commenters on these threads continue to use that image over and over and over and over and over --- almost as if they were unable to come up with any other metaphor, as through they had a fixation on having something shoved down their throats......) I don't really care how much you know about my private life, because it's.....well......private!

    But think about it, Joey (and CC). Think about what I already know about your private life, that you've never given a second thought to, and never once thought that you were "forcing" onto someone else. Joe, I know that you're married; you've made reference to your wife. Well, right there I know that you prefer opposite-sex sexual partners --- you've just "trumpeted" your sexual orientation, every bit as much as I ever have. And you've made reference to having kids, so I already have a pretty good idea of what you do (at least occasionally) as well as who you do. Already, I know more about you than you know about me; you have no idea what I do --- all you know is that I'll do it with a man instead of a woman. Seems that you, not me, may be the one forcing your sexuality onto people.

     
  • Mahiun posted at 12:51 pm on Tue, Feb 12, 2013.

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    Now about that whole charge of "playing victim": nope, I don't buy it. Categorically reject that charge, in fact --- and that "constant" thing is a major reason why.

    It's not "playing victim" to notice that you and people like you are getting the shaft, are not being treated fairly, justly, or equally.

    It's not "playing victim" to care that you and people like you are getting the shaft, are not being treated fairly, justly, or equally.

    It's not "playing victim" to speak up and say that you and people like you are getting the shaft, are not being treated fairly, justly, or equally.

    It's not "playing victim" to work to change the fact that you and people like you are getting the shaft, are not being treated fairly, justly, or equally.

    It would be "playing victim" to adopt an attitude of "just shut up and take it, Mahiun", or to simply cower meekly in the corner and beg others to please stop, if they wouldn't mind too much and if it's not too much of an inconvenience. That's the difference, as I see it: a "victim" is passive; s/he may not like the treatment s/he receives, but just accepts it without ever fighting back or working to stop that treatment. Which, in my book, would make me the opposite of a victim. If you try to treat me or people like me wrong, you're &*($%^# right you're gonna hear about it, and so will a lot of other people --- with the idea that, "This is wrong, this has got to change, and that change starts NOW!" If I am attacked, either verbally, physically, or through some passive-aggressive legal maneuverings, I will fight back as best I'm able! Again, that is the opposite of a passive victim, who just waits for the next kick in the teeth, hoping it will stop but knowing it won't. Not my style....

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 4:32 pm on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

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    See; here's the deal, Mahiun.
    VERY much like concerned said, all of us have had our troubles, you AND me included. I've been bullied, been stupid enough to bully too. Punched, been punched back, sometimes harder than I'd like.
    The primary issue that really, truly causes the trouble is when we make some people better or more "protected" than others. See, reality, factual reality, is that people on the whole don't purposely mistreat others. Places like here, in North Idaho, have a LOT less "discrimination" than in the cities, and a lot less hatred, too. That's why it's SO irritating when the "human rights institute" feels the need to somehow "educate us" on how to think, speak & act.
    Now, for me, I'm not a fan of gay people, but I also don't disrespect them or give them ANY trouble. I've protected a few myself when others around me were being idiots. That doesn't mean that I like them, it means I'm HUMAN. I can still teach my kids that I think homosexuality is wrong, and if that makes me a bigot, so be it; because at the same time I teach them that I think it's wrong, I ALSO encourage them to tolerate other people, and their way of life. Just because I think it's wrong doesn't make it so for others, but that is MY belief, and as a result, I am somehow a bigot or racist or homophobe.
    But I admit what I think.
    See, Mahiun, what you just don't get is thatthe "special treatment" that you & yours so need is also your detriment, it disables you, the same as welfare has done for black people. As long as you need to be "special" and as long as your kind have the need to push your way of life down our throats, it'll always be ugly for you. Americans are tolerant people, as a group, ridiculously so; until pushed too far.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 4:23 pm on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

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    THANK YOU CONCERNED. Bravo.

     
  • Mahiun posted at 4:17 pm on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

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    Get a clue, Joey, get a clue: and Regent University should have been your first clue!

    The language is certainly incendiary, I'll give 'em that. But it is not even close to being accurate.

    Sexual orientation and gender identity were added to the definitions of hate crimes, and Presdient Obama signed the new Hate Crimes bill on 26 OCT 2009. But that is not even close to being the same thing as a protected class, despite the panic on the part of Regent University.

    And for the record, religion (the entire raison d'être for Regent University) IS a protected class, which makes their hyperbolic but untrue statement that much more ironic and hypocritical.

    But how does any of this relate to the Coeur d'Alene Tribe?!

     
  • Mahiun posted at 4:11 pm on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

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    [*] I can be, and have been, let go from a job simply because of being gay, and there is nothing I can do about it.
    Yes, you can....

    So then, which part is "inaccurate", and in what way?

    If you want to be "relative" with a person....
    So then, which part is "inaccurate", and in what way?

    [*] I can be refused the ability to put my partner on my employer-provided insurance as my spouse, even if we were legally married in another state.
    RIGHT....

    So then, which part is "inaccurate", and in what way?

    [*] I have been targeted for both verbal and physical attacks, and have been repeatedly told that I am "abominable", "detestable", "vile", "filthy", and "doomed to He'll", by people who don't know me and have never even met me.
    Don't doubt it....

    So then, which part is "inaccurate", and in what way?

    [*] Back at the federal level, I lose out on nearly 1140 rights, privileges, and preferential treatment that straight married couples enjoy but I cannot.
    Our laws were & are based on family, that means man & WOman, not two men.

    So then, which part is "inaccurate", and in what way?

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 4:09 pm on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

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    Mahiun

    You act like you are the only one that has been bullied. People have been bullied since the beginning of time. I am in no way condoning it. HOWEVER, look at all of the trash talk about rednecks. Rednecks are laborers that choose to use their hands to make a living yet most THINK they are ignorant hicks. OMG! There is another one. A "HICK". One that chooses a more simple life out away from the city. Now they are called isolationists and are assumed to ALL be "ANTI-GOVERNMENT" which most just want to be left alone. Now that opens up a whole other can of worms. It just aint right to wanna be left alone. SAYS WHO? Bottom line is we ALL have been bullied in some way or another. It is time for ALL of us to put ALL of our differences aside. You be who you want to be and I'll be who I want to be and Joe can be who HE wants tho be.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 3:43 pm on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

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    Miss Gordon told me it was racist if you called a football team "the Washington REDskins".

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 3:19 pm on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

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    Mahiun, your statements are absolutely full of inaccurate information:
    [*] I can be, and have been, let go from a job simply because of being gay, and there is nothing I can do about it.
    Yes, you can, and if laws were passed in this state that "protected" you, you could use the EXCUSE that you were "fired for being gay" instead of actually having the reality be that you were fired for being a poor non-productive employee.

    [*] I can be, and have been, denied visitation rights to see a hospitalized partner of more than 10 years, because I'm "no relation", while his family that hasn't spoken to him in years is allowed right on in, and there is nothing I can do about it.
    If you want to be "relative" with a person, or marry another gay person, go to a state where it is legal.

    [*] I can be, and have been, denied housing because of my sexual orientation and there is nothing I can do about it.
    Don't believe it for a minute, and don't believe you could prove it, either.

    [*] I can be refused the ability to put my partner on my employer-provided insurance as my spouse, even if we were legally married in another state.
    RIGHT, because in Idaho we do NOT believe in or endorse gay marriage.

    [*] I can be denied right of survivorship, if my partner dies --- which means that real estate is reassessed for tax purposes, and may quite likely force me out of the home that I can no longer afford. (This does not happen to straight married couples; the surviving spouse inherits the property with no reassessment.)
    You can EASILY get around that; speak to ANY decent attorney.

    [*] I have been targeted for both verbal and physical attacks, and have been repeatedly told that I am "abominable", "detestable", "vile", "filthy", and "doomed to He'll", by people who don't know me and have never even met me.
    Don't doubt it. I don't go out of my way to insult anyone that hasn't picked a fight with me, but my thoughts on the issue of "gay" are not that it's a "normal" thing. I'll leave it at that.

    [*] Back at the federal level, I lose out on nearly 1140 rights, privileges, and preferential treatment that straight married couples enjoy but I cannot.
    Our laws were & are based on family, that means man & WOman, not two men.

    "Third, your utterly bizarre statement about me is made even more bizarre by it coming from a straight, white, Christian male who does nothing but constantly whine about how put-upon he is and how much he suffers at the hands of undeserving minorities"
    I never said anyone didn't "deserve" anything, I said that (TRUTH) liberals have fully destroyed entire populations of minorities. Here's the REAL facts for you, Mahiun.
    IF libs didn't work SO hard to enshrine gays & minroties, there wouldn't be nearly as much adversary when it comes to acceptance. THINK about that for a minute...


    "I don't play "victim", Joey. "Victim" would be if I just meekly put up with the bullish**, bigotry, prejudice, and discrimination that gets thrown my way. "Victim" would be if I didn't fight back. Ain't gonna happen! I do not intend to just put up with it, or to just quietly let people get away with it because "that's the way it's always been". Those days are over...."

    That's incredible.
    You say you "don't play victim" after you write about all of these things that supposedly make you a "victim". YOU whine about them, and then try to tell us that they don't matter....

    And Mahiun, I've been telling people what I think for a long long time. Funny, works out best that way, at least people know where they stand with me, unlike others who say that they "don't play the victim" and then tell you how much of a victim they really are.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 3:00 pm on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

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    Mahiun, sexual orientation IS a protected class, as a result of boobama's landmark legislation of 2009, this taken from Regent University, 2009:
    Gays Now a Protected Class under New Law
    WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama has signed legislation that elevates homosexuals to the class of citizens that enjoy special protections under the law.

    It's landmark legislation for gays and opponents fear it will create legal troubles for Christians.

    With a flip of his pen, Obama added gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered people to the list of Americans granted extra protections under federal law, taking a step closer, he says, towards a more perfect union.

    "We must stand against crimes that are meant not only to break bones, but to break spirits. Not only to inflict harm, but to inflict fear," Obama said at a White House reception for prominent gay activists.



     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 2:40 pm on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Hey floorist (GENIUS), Mahiun has been on these boards and admitted that he is gay, which is FINE.

    Now, if you really want to "let's SEE" than LETS:

    It doesn't matter an iota if you wouldn't allow your kids to go to school in the Reservation, but what about the kids that DO?
    Oh, they don't matter. Why's that?
    Can YOU stay on subject for just a teensy little minute?

     
  • Mahiun posted at 1:38 pm on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

    Mahiun Posts: 4847

    So I'm basking the cushy comfort of being part of the GLBT "protected class"? Joey, what planet are you from,<?i>this one??!

    First, sexual orientation is not a protected class. There have been multiple attempts to pass ENDA and create protected classes of sexual orientation and gender identity, but Republicans have successfully blocked passage, each time ENDA has come up. So there is no "protected class" for me to bask in.

    Second, that means that at the state level, it's essentially "anything goes". And that means that in places like Idaho....
    [*] I can be, and have been, let go from a job simply because of being gay, and there is nothing I can do about it.
    [*] I can be, and have been, denied visitation rights to see a hospitalized partner of more than 10 years, because I'm "no relation", while his family that hasn't spoken to him in years is allowed right on in, and there is nothing I can do about it.
    [*] I can be, and have been, denied housing because of my sexual orientation and there is nothing I can do about it.
    [*] I can be refused the ability to put my partner on my employer-provided insurance as my spouse, even if we were legally married in another state.
    [*] I can be denied right of survivorship, if my partner dies --- which means that real estate is reassessed for tax purposes, and may quite likely force me out of the home that I can no longer afford. (This does not happen to straight married couples; the surviving spouse inherits the property with no reassessment.)
    [*] I have been targeted for both verbal and physical attacks, and have been repeatedly told that I am "abominable", "detestable", "vile", "filthy", and "doomed to He'll", by people who don't know me and have never even met me.
    [*] Back at the federal level, I lose out on nearly 1140 rights, privileges, and preferential treatment that straight married couples enjoy but I cannot.

    Third, your utterly bizarre statement about me is made even more bizarre by it coming from a straight, white, Christian male who does nothing but constantly whine about how put-upon he is and how much he suffers at the hands of undeserving minorities.

    I don't play "victim", Joey. "Victim" would be if I just meekly put up with the bullish**, bigotry, prejudice, and discrimination that gets thrown my way. "Victim" would be if I didn't fight back. Ain't gonna happen! I do not intend to just put up with it, or to just quietly let people get away with it because "that's the way it's always been". Those days are over....

    ...for that matter, I've said plenty more than that to people's faces before...
    Imagine my surprise....

     
  • idahoguy posted at 1:37 pm on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

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    efrom... it is very clear you support the indentured bondage the Indians have found themselves in. It is B/S Indians are born with any disadvantage. If an Indian child was born in a off the REZ MIDDLE CLASS SUBURB and raised within that culture that child would turn out different than one born on the Rez. Isolation and non integration has done much to hold them back.

    If we are to one people we must openly mingle, adapt to knew ideas and ways and move about and not stay isolated within a tribal area. But I have no dog in their fight.... the proof is in the pudding. What races have contributed the most to mankind over the many centuries? What races were stagnant for centuries until they were finally contacted by other races explorers?

    If life was so great for the indians so long ago... no one is stopping them from living off the land and living in the same stick structures like their once proud forefathers had. Nope today's Indians want nothing to do with how their former families once lived. They just want to manipulate some art work and display some stuff. But live the life ... not a chance.

    My traditions are American as I was born here. My fore fathers traveled the world in wooden ships, exploring and spreading ideas and information. We are here in America today as a direct result of that. If not for them the CDA Indians would still be dressed like in the old pictures, thin and lean and dirt poor. No smokes to sell, no casinos, no fireworks, no nothing they make and sell and their gift shops are full of stuff made in china to look like Indian art.

    I do not hate them or any race. it is just so sad when the over emphasis on the past holds those today from moving on. What traditions do the current local Indian have to pass on now? What are they doing with themselves ??? Yesterday is gone dude.... The Pyramids did nothing to shape Eygyt today.

     
  • efromm posted at 12:28 pm on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

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    It's funny to me that people will just ignore the treaties. The treaties make them a sovereign nation. They do not have to abide by the same rule of law that we do. Again if you do not want your money going to them stop paying your taxes! Quit complaining about the rule of law. Or get off your lazy azz and go to DC and get their treaties undone. Get your group together and do it. If not your just whining and complaining about something that you really do not believe in. Some people just like to complain. It gives themselves something to live for....

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 12:25 pm on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

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    Hmmmm...."florist", I WONDER what ou have to say about the issues?
    Oh, nothing? How common.
    "Joe's a troll"?
    Hmmm.....
    And what I said to Mahiun is the truth, and for that matter, I've said plenty more than that to people's faces before, but thank you for the weak kneed response of yours, made my day. Good of you to support "equality".
    And yes, liberals ARE hypocrites.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 8:12 am on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

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    Once again IG hits the nail right n the head.

    It is NOT racist to ask what "CHINESE MADE FIREWORKS" (not native American), "WHITE AMERICAN MADE CORPORATION CIGARETTES" (not native American) and "WHITE AMERICAN CORPORATE CASINOS" (and once again NOT native American), have to do with native American culture? I do not see how any of it benefit the native American people. As others have pointed out, it keeps the native American people in bondage. The Coeur d'Alene tribe has some of the BEST land in the state for farming. I do not see them in the fields.

    Once again I would like to point out that we are ALL Americans if native born to this soil along with those that have come here through proper channels. Black, brown, yellow, and whether some of you like it or not, the WHITE man as well. Blame has to be directed at the individual. NOT the race if we are EVER going to get along.

    PEACE OUT!

     
  • DeNiles posted at 7:51 am on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

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    IG ....... These events of the 'wrong doing' may be in the past (some in the not-so-recent past). But the real consequences of those events remain today and present current problems. Such awful things do not happen and then just completely disappear. There is no simple 'do-over' when an ancient culture gets destroyed and its few survivors are soundly beaten down. These misdeeds were horrific when they occurred and their remaining consequences are very serious - right now - today. Why you remain blind to what is so obvious to most people suggests a more banal source of resentment on your behalf. That, or just plain ignorance (I choose ignorance).

    We all want better lives for everyone. Here we witness this tribe doing the right thing, the very thing they should do to assuage some of your own concerns........... and all you can do is complain? You must be a very sad and embittered person. You have every right to be to speak your peculiar opinions freely but with every new deposit of crass 'wisdom' you sound more and more idiotic.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 7:45 am on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

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    Since Barack Obama entered the White House, the U.S. government has run a budget deficit of well over a trillion dollars every single year, and we have stolen more than 100 million dollars from our children and our grandchildren every single hour of every single day.

    It is the biggest theft of all time. What we are doing to our children and our grandchildren is beyond criminal.

    And now our debt is at a level that most economists would consider terminal. When Barack Obama first entered the White House, the U.S. debt to GDP ratio was under 70 percent. Today, it is up to 103 percent.

    We are officially in "the danger zone".

    If things really were "getting better" in America, we would not need to borrow so much money.

    Our politicians are stealing from the future in order to make the present look better. During Obama's first term, the federal government accumulated more debt than it did under the first 42 U.S presidents combined.

    That is utter insanity!

    If you started paying off just the new debt that the U.S. has accumulated during the Obama administration at the rate of one dollar per second, it would take more than 184,000 years to pay it off.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 7:42 am on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

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    florist, I don't think you speak for many people, at all. As a matter of fact, I think you barely speak for yourself.

    But THANKS for having a black man spout profanities at me. That makes your arguments SO MUCH more understandable.

    Have ANYTHING to say about white kids getting abused by indian kids in Plummer?
    NOPE.

    "Dude", liberals ARE H Y P O C R I T E S

     
  • idahoguy posted at 7:41 am on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

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    I could care less if indians get their well deserved well earned govt pay check provided by their Great White King/Father, back east to then go redeem for govt FIAT money. They are slaves to the game and are addicted and co-dependent and...weak.

    They do however have prime lands, large amounts of beach front property and a new highway right to their casino and golf course ;-)

    I do not see them working hard and working their lands as much as I see them hardly working at all. Sorry I go to the Reservation and see obesity among almost the entire tribe. That is the culture their next generation can build images of and display in the Human Rights building.

    What I would like to see stop is this;

    1. The special treatment which allows them to sell cancer sticks to the American public with no taxes added...just profit. It kills people daily, costs us all in more insurance and keeps the indians from being all they might be.
    2. The exclusive rights to manage the white man,s invention of gambling. It should be allowed to be freely run by any and all people in any part of our State. Again competition will help their belt line and help them to be all they could be.
    3. No more selling fireworks which are highly dangerous and not allowed to be sold here in our towns. The same fireworks for all to sell or none at all.

    The above three items are prime examples of guilt trip and ignorance and special human rights gone to seed and reproducing. I am not about politics as I am more a realist with a dash or several of libertarian. I do not hate people but I do detest laziness and leaching. Sadly I see the indians just wasting away pretending their past has anything at all to do with what they have morphed into today....

     
  • efromm posted at 10:48 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

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    So if the government suspends the Constitution your ok with that? It is merely a treaty or contract with the American people that should be voided as soon as people find it inconvenient?

    We are all living off of the corpses of the past. Every single one of us is. If you live here you are living off of the work of others that made it so hundreds of years ago. Again I am not whining YOU ARE! Get over it already. They get money from the Government. They have treaties. Even if you do not like them. They are enforceable by law.

    Everyone benefits from the theft of peoples labor through taxes. Your way of thinking I am afraid is way off base. It's not being a bleeding heart to expect my government to uphold the bargains it makes. If you are tired of paying for them stop paying your taxes. It's a simple solution. Then you can stop complaining. They give a lot to the local community. A lot more than the locals do. How many groups in this county just gave 1.4 million to schools?

    So what have I done? Your assuming that I am getting gov''t support and handouts? What can I do? I live in America and I have to follow the rule of law. So if I don't want govt control what would I do? I would want revolution? What exactly are you saying? Or inferring? You are trying to turn the conversation into what is wrong with me. I wonder what is wrong with you that you hate fellow humans so much? I feel for you. It must be a very dark and lonely place in your mind. Turn to God while you still have the chance. Life is oh so short. And He ll is eternal. And it seems like your living in your own He ll right now. Keep me out of it please. And don't pray on me....

     
  • idahoguy posted at 9:38 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

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    Again treaties, contracts, agreements and all that are broken daily and since mankind first showed up. Thus laws, courts, attorney's settlements and so on.

    Thing is all those people back then are long gone and dead now. Yet so many still feed off their stinking rotten corpses. Zombies come to mind....

    Whining, complaining and trying to justify today's failures on the long dead past is just.... so lame.

    But keep doing if it you wish to and you will find even the bleeding hearts will give up on you after time. Time heals everything if you quit pulling the scabs off and re-opening the long gone dead wounds. Let the dead bury the dead and today has enough to deal with.

    So what have you done today to get off govt life support, govt hand outs, govt control over you and govt being your "great white father"? I wonder....

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 9:30 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

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    Concerned, the FACT is that liberals are ALL bigots. They're by far the biggest racists on the planet, and this thread is a CLASSIC example of that.

    You have a group of people who ARE persecuted her locally as a PURE result of their race, and not ONE of them has even thought to "contact the human rights commission" or even had ONE THING to say about it being wrong, and you KNOW WHY?
    Because the "victims" are white. That's why there's no outcry from the liberals.

    They pay no attention to the fact that the victims are actually children, even, that means nothing to a liberal, UNLESS the victims are other THAN white. If you're "white" you DESERVE the treatment you get; if you're any other color, you are a victim.

    Mahiun is a Gay man who likes the unequal protected class treatment he gets, and like any group of people who get more than another group, his only answer is more more more. "Fairness" or a sense of fair play will NEVER enter his mind, because he has been taught by his liberal peers that he IS a "victim" and he will play that role until the day he dies. He's stuck with it, as much as the black population, as much as the Indians of America, indentured servants to the democrapic party.

     
  • efromm posted at 8:15 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

    efromm Posts: 659

    Tough huh. I am not whining at all sounds like you are. So you get to dissolve the treaties cause they don't fit in with life today then? And you don't want to pay for the theft through deceit of the entire USA. Wow something to be real proud of. Killing off the Native inhabitants. And then proclaiming freedom for all!!!!! Except Blacks and Native Americans. Cause they are not people. Where is the freedom in that? There is your double standard. It's been there all along. To ignore it is wrong. If we do not honor our rule of law and treaties then there is no law. And if there is no law we have no country.

    If you bear no responsibility then your not an American. Everything our government does is done on our behalf. You can try to claim that you have not benefited from the killing and removing of Native Americans. Do you live around here? If you do you benefited from their removal. Seems to me you have a problem....

     
  • efromm posted at 7:59 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

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    You too you ignore the treaties that were made before any of us were even here. You sound just like those settlers that decided to ignore the treaties that were agreed too in the old days. And gave themselves permission to kill others and steal their land. Go read some history. And understand how many treaties were broken. And how the Natives were victimized by those who just like you want an end to the treaties. Your no different. It's sad but yet again history repeats its-self.

     
  • efromm posted at 7:55 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

    efromm Posts: 659

    LOL That's funny. You still ignore the treaties, how convenient for your argument. Go read some history and get back to me. Treaties are supposed to mean something. You really seem to have a problem with the CDA Tribe. And the treaties they have with the Fed Government. Which is not my problem but clearly yours. Go read some history it might do you some good.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 6:10 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

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    Mahiun wrote, "Joe, you're right: bigotry is bigotry is bigotry is bigotry, regardless of the race, ethnicity, skin colour, or sexual orientation of the target"

    "But the fact is that still, even today, there is so much more of it from straight white males toward others than from others toward straight white males that the presumption is probably going to be that you're crying wolf. "

    You throw something in like this every now and then showing me that YOU are the bigot towards any straight white male.

    If you expect bigotry to end it has to come from you as well. It is NOT every straight white male fault.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 5:45 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

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    efromm

    Everyone used to be able to fish and hunt. Is has changed with more and more regulations and laws. So if we are going to have regulation and law, they NEED to apply to everyone NO exception. That is the ONLY way America will survive at this point. Every last one of us need to quit crying "POOR ME" and roll up our collective sleeves. I don't care if they are male, female, gay or straight, black, brown, yellow OR white. The highest office in the WORLD is held by a black man. We can be what EVER we want to be. The excuses are old and so many are tired of it.

     
  • idahoguy posted at 5:42 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

    idahoguy Posts: 932

    Hey that not being able to live off the lands is a bunch of B/S !!

    I as well as many others can and do earn a good living off the very same lands the local indians have. I have been on their rez and it can support them if they got off their fat arses and worked it. Sure it ain't going to do it for them but so what. if you do not work you do not eat.

     
  • idahoguy posted at 5:39 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

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    LIFE IS TOUGH ALL OVER...
    Tough chit, just look at the condition and state of so many nature loving mother earth loving freaking indians... Their lands are a dump zone. These lands are nothing like the lands their fore fathers kept.

    Where I grew up was fields and grazing animals...now it is subdivisions and commercial enterprises... Even casinos. Do I whine about those that did that to the land? Nope. I just relocated....

    Treaties have been getting broken since treaties where first made. so you best get over that and see history simply repeating itself. am not making excuses fore thew govt either.

    But I AM NOT THE GOVT SO PLEASE DO NOT THINK I BEAR ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT PEOPLE NEVER KNEW DID 200 YEARS AGO...

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 3:27 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

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    This was supposed to be:
    The slaveowners were "Southern Democrats". REPUBLICANS were the people who fReed the slaves.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 3:26 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

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    Mahiun, here's the difference between the "white straight males" that you so denigrate & the majority of the rest of the planet's inhabitants:
    They don't gripe, they move on, just getting it done. I say there IS bigotry in the schools in PLummer, because it's true, you say if I can't "prove it" it "doesn't exist".

    Now, isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?

    Or; in other words; using YOUR wods against you:
    "However, if there is no evidence beyond a hunch or some vague hand-wringing and protests of, "Well, everybody knows......", then you really don't have a case"
    Or' am I right in that ONLY "straight white males" are bigots?

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 3:21 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

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    Actually, "simple", idahoguy IS "special". Not on food stamps, not blaming anyone.
    Bet you can't find 3 of your friends that can say the same....

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 3:19 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

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    floorist, you got this about a billion miles off base....I never said anything about the casinos, etc, you did. I said that it's WRONG that white kids get treated like dirt & libs have NOTHING to say about it; WHERE is the "Human Rights INstitute" when it's anything on white crime?
    NO WHERE TO BE FOUND.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 3:17 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

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    The slaveowners were "Southern Democrats". REPUBLICANS were the people who feed the slaves.

     
  • Mahiun posted at 3:16 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

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    Wow! You reeeeeeeeeeally don't know how Affirmative Action works, do you?!

    First, there are no "quotas" in Affirmative Action programs. They're illegal.

    Second, you need to be much more specific in your charges against fire-department hiring. Which fire department, where? When did this take place? Who was involved? What were the particulars of the case? How was the case ultimately decided?

    Generally, there is simply a non-gender-specific requirements for the position: you have to weight at least XXX pounds to carry equipment weighing YYY pounds, and you cannot be less than ZZZ inches tall or have more than QQ% body fat. Women have, can, and do qualify under these standards.

    ...why should the native American or female automatically get the job?
    They don't. Or at least, if they do, that's the company policy, and has nothing to do with Affirmative Action itself.

    This is also more likely in a university or other academic setting, where a more diverse faculty and student body might be part of the academic goals of the school, to enhance the learning experience of students. It has less direct applicability, obviously, in a corporate or industrial setting (usually). But that gets back to the whole issue of equal qualifications. Some candidate is going to interview a little bit getter, or laugh at the boss's jokes a little better, or bring a diversity that the company is looking for, or......whatever. All Affirmative Action is trying to do is to encourage qualified minority candidates to apply, to encourage businesses to look for qualified candidates in places where they've traditionally been overlooked, and to not let race, ethnicity, national origin, gender, or disability be a barrier to getting ahead or being considered as a candidate. That's it.

    Is there something better than Affirmative Action, that would accomplish the same goal? Probably. So.......let's hear it! What plans and programs do you have for preventing academic and workplace discrimination, and how do you plan to implement and enforce your plans?

     
  • efromm posted at 2:24 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

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    The Government has created an entitlement culture for these people. They used to be able to fish and hunt for their food. They were moved to places where there was no chance of them surviving so they had to feed them. The government is the problem. It created the problem. And we are left paying for it. And they are too. They have treaties. If the government did not want treaties they should have not made them and just killed them all outright. Or made slaves of them like the Africans. Offering them treaties may have been the wrong thing to do. Although it bought them the time they needed to eventually run all of them off of the lands they wanted so it was a win for the government. The amount of gold silver oil and other natural resources could never be replaced or repaid.

    This land is only ours until someone else comes and takes it. I hope I never have to live through what the Natives had to live through. Al though I have lived through a whole lot of people from down south coming up here thinking that they are better than you and they judge you by what car you drive. Or if you live in a trailer park or older home. What job you have or how much money you make. And somehow that excuses what people say and think about them. Nothing has changed really. We keep doing the same things to different people. People are the problem and the solution. This world is doomed until humans learn the lessons of the past....

     
  • efromm posted at 2:03 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

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    Idahoguy says..

    "I am a second generation born in this nation guy. My great grand parents shoveled coal on a stream ship to buy passage to this nation 100 years ago. They entered legally and did it the lawful way. I also did not succeed in my life standing on the corpses of dead and screwed over Indians or anyone. My wife also entered this country legally and did not step on others to get to where she is today. Sorry I owe squat to the indians and blacks or any other race claiming I had any advantages at their expenses.

    My forefathers had no one and knew no one here when they arrived and were given the privilege (not right) to seek citizenship here. They complied and prospered with out monthly govt checks, food stamps, casinos, smoke shops and fireworks plus special nice lands all for themselves.

    Why do some folks get past the issues in life and move on while other feed off them and keep eating from the dead stinky flesh of the past? My culture is American and even that culture is undergoing changes every year. Nothing is static.... The culture I was raised in long ago is all but gone. It is history now..... To bad, so sad and should I get a pay check and special human rights for my culture being ripped away from me? ummm I think not as I learn to adapt and over come and not live in the past".

    Of course you are Idahoguy. The land belonged to the Natives first. And we made treaties with them which our government broke. The first Native Americans helped us immensely. And we turned on them. And when our country makes treaties should we abide by them? Are we a honest and fair nation? I say we are not. If you want to break all the treaties then why should the law apply to any of us? Why have treaties at all? You seem to be ignorant of Americas past. Of all the groups in this country that have suffered under our government although none have suffered as much as the Natives. It's history open a book and have a read.

    It has nothing to do with culture at all. It has to do with a nation that does not keep it's treaties. There is a double standard even if you do not want to see it. Their lands were stolen for money and greed. PERIOD! The Black Hills of South Dakota were to never be touched or inhabited by whites. And guess what? They came and took it anyway. They built Mt Rushmore on sacred Native Grounds. Then they slaughtered all the buffalo which led to farming and the eventual dust bowl. I would rather see the animals on the plains than what I saw last year which was none. And look at all the abandoned farms that are there. Everything could have been handled in a much better fashion. By ignoring the past mistakes it only guarantees that the same problems will occur again and again. Emanate domain ring a bell?

    Sadly America has been a very poor steward of the land and it's creatures. This land is worse off than when we stole it. They used it like they stole it. With no care for future generations.

     
  • idahoguy posted at 1:13 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

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    It is just wrong to impose any race, creed, sex or any other quota on any business hiring people.

     
  • idahoguy posted at 1:12 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

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    Yep, there are whole seconds with penny players smoking one cancer stick after another all day long.

     
  • idahoguy posted at 1:10 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

    idahoguy Posts: 932

    All form should have any race, creed or such things removed. Your earn what you get not get what others have earned.

     
  • idahoguy posted at 1:09 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

    idahoguy Posts: 932

    Not really just pulled myself up by my own boot straps like my fore fathers did. Perhaps personal accountability is something you find...intimidating???

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 12:48 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

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    That's not how Affirmative Action works Mahiun? I say bull. How much weight does a male firefighter have to carry to pass their qualification test? How much for a woman? I know there are NOT supposed to be separate rules but there ARE! This is the problem. And if a white males qualification is the same as a native American or female, why should the native American or female automatically get the job? Why is it even necessary to know what the ethnic, sexual, etc. background.

    If you want one America for all equally, there can be NO special accommodations for ANY group.

     
  • The Simple Truth posted at 12:31 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

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    golly, you sure are special!

     
  • Mahiun posted at 12:27 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

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    My ability to show my children that being gay is abnormal....
    Yeah, how dare those GLBT people lead perfectly ordinary lives with their spouses and children, and completely mess up all the effort you've put into demonizing them??!

    But........you're still free to mess up your kids' minds to your blackened little heart's delight, Joey. There is absolutely nothing to prevent you from telling your children that you do not approve of homosexuality, regardless of its cause, and that you would be heartbroken to learn that one of your children was gay. And then, if that does come to pass anyway, you can spend the rest of your days wondering why that child wants nothing to do with you, and is spending a fortune on therapy.....

    I dislike the "more than equal" tratment that our government is trying to afford them.
    How is asking for the same rights you have being "more than equal"? No one is asking to be singled out for special rights, Joey. We're just asking not to be singled out for special wrongs.

    I said that liberals MISINTERPRET the Constitution, as they absolutely do.
    But that necessarily requires an interpretation of the Constitution, correct or otherwise. And it's only what you believe to be correct or incorrect --- without presenting a shred of evidence or reason why anyone should accept your version as being any more "correct" than anybody else's version.

    Right, you mean "Attornies with agendas". Yes, I should trust them to "do the right thing" becaseu as we all know, Attorneys are all honest & would NEVER put party faith in front of a decision....
    Attorneys (please not correct spelling) and judges have an agenda? Of course they do; that's how we ended up with George W. Bush as President in 2001, despite losing the popular vote! We all have personal agendas --- including you! But you don't see it as an agenda when it's your own; you simply label it as "correct interpretation".

    But ultimately: yes, that is what judges are paid to do, that is what they spend their careers studying how to do: to determine whether the laws and the constitution behind those laws support their interpretation (which might also be your own, y'know....). We don't each get to decide that our own version is the only correct one, and that we can simply ignore or refuse to abide by any other interpretation that we don't like. That's not how it works in a constitutional republic. Deal with it.

     
  • Mahiun posted at 12:12 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

    Mahiun Posts: 4847

    MY issue is with bigotry, and our adamant refusal to admit it's occurrance when it happens to anyone who is white.

    Joe, you're right: bigotry is bigotry is bigotry is bigotry, regardless of the race, ethnicity, skin colour, or sexual orientation of the target. And if you can document and clearly demonstrate and show that it's going on, then you absolutely should make your case.

    But the fact is that still, even today, there is so much more of it from straight white males toward others than from others toward straight white males that the presumption is probably going to be that you're crying wolf. Again, though, if you can clearly show otherwise, that there really is bigotry, prejudice, or discrimination being shown toward you or other straight, white males then make your case! Lay out your evidence, present your arguments, and let's go from there....

    However, if there is no evidence beyond a hunch or some vague hand-wringing and protests of, "Well, everybody knows......", then you really don't have a case.

     
  • idahoguy posted at 12:10 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

    idahoguy Posts: 932

    Homeless people do hang around there and sleep in the lobby at times. Thing is the casino is located so far away they can not get there easily. But given the chance they would be there..... One can stay warm and play the penny machines for hours on a couple bucks panhandled of the working tax payers.

    Stay on topic. For myself the only human right I want and retain is the right to like or dislike any person for any freaking reason I elect to have...period. That is true freedom..... I do not want or need human rights freaks trying to spoon feed me their guilt trips.

     
  • Mahiun posted at 12:04 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

    Mahiun Posts: 4847

    Fortunately, that's not how Affirmative Action works.

    You have to be qualified, first. It's not a "casting couch".

    Assuming you are equally qualified as other candidates, your race or ethnicity might or might not be taken into consideration, if the company has diversity goals it wants to meet. It might be considered a "plus", but it is not a qualification.

    And sexual orientation is never part of the Affirmative Action mix. The company might have its own non-discrimination policy that includes sexual orientations, but all that means is that you won't be refused a job because of sexual orientation (or race, ethnicity, gender, skin colour, disability, etc., etc., etc.), not that you'll get a job because of it.

     
  • idahoguy posted at 12:04 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

    idahoguy Posts: 932

    I am a second generation born in this nation guy. My great grand parents shoveled coal on a stream ship to buy passage to this nation 100 years ago. They entered legally and did it the lawful way. I also did not succeed in my life standing on the corpses of dead and screwed over Indians or anyone. My wife also entered this country legally and did not step on others to get to where she is today. Sorry I owe squat to the indians and blacks or any other race claiming I had any advantages at their expenses.

    My forefathers had no one and knew no one here when they arrived and were given the privilege (not right) to seek citizenship here. They complied and prospered with out monthly govt checks, food stamps, casinos, smoke shops and fireworks plus special nice lands all for themselves.

    Why do some folks get past the issues in life and move on while other feed off them and keep eating from the dead stinky flesh of the past? My culture is American and even that culture is undergoing changes every year. Nothing is static.... The culture I was raised in long ago is all but gone. It is history now..... To bad, so sad and should I get a pay check and special human rights for my culture being ripped away from me? ummm I think not as I learn to adapt and over come and not live in the past.

     
  • DeNiles posted at 11:57 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    What is the one thing that happened to Amerindians that impacts them so much today? They were disposed by force of (American) arms to reside on very restrictive reservations. This was not the lands of their ancestors or the lands of their own preferences. Amerindians had their good land taken from them and they were sent to live where they got directed to live.

    Eventually it was decided that reservation land would be recognized in a unique way. They are quasi sovereign nations allowed to exist within the borders of America. In some ways they are countries within our own country. That gives Indians tribes their own unique business advantages. They can conduct gambling where it is otherwise illegal and so forth.

    There are some states with no income tax and others that have no sales tax. Those offer certain benefits and enticements for businesses and residents. They are meant to.

    If Oregon can offer no sales tax and Texas no income tax why is it such a problem for Indian reservations to capitalize on the economic advantages offered by their unique boundaries? If we can accept how states can be set up to operate we should be able to do the same for an Indian reservation.

    IMHO the best approach to improving how tribal life is conducted is for each tribe to reestablish its own cultural identity. They should seek to return the pride of distinction founded in their age old traditions. Hmmm, isn't that what is happening here with our local native tribes? Yes, yes it is. Is this something to be applauded as well as appreciated and enjoyed? Yes, I think it is. What we see here is exactly the type of thing that can help remedy the sorts of problems noted our outspoken critics.

     
  • The Simple Truth posted at 11:38 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

    The Simple Truth Posts: 563

    Slaveholders were the original conservatives. They were against all change.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 11:25 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Democrats & Liberals TOTALLY destroyed the black people of America. They handicapped them by making them "victims" and more than that, they used these "victims" for their own political gain.

    When a liberal says:
    "We really feel your pain, and we're going to help you"
    What that REALLY means is-
    "We're going to ENSURE that you NEED US so you will VOTE for us".

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 11:04 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Mahiun sez:
    "What has a gay or lesbian person actually taken from you, Joe"?
    My ability to show my children that being gay is abnormal, and hurtful primarily to themselves. It is NOT ordinary, and the net result, if you are gay, is that you will be mistreated from others not only in school but throughout your life. There are NO LAWS that will protect you from this, even though you would like to say they will.

    "What are you missing that you would otherwise have, if that evil awful horrible no-good gay person hadn't taken it from you"?
    I never said that gays are evil or horrible, Mahiun. I dislike the "more than equal" tratment that our government is trying to afford them.

    "Your ability to persecute and discriminate"?
    Now I someohow want to "persecute & discriminate", huh? Not really....

    "Losing the ability to deny someone else their civil rights does not mean that you have lost yours, Joey"
    Start at the BEGINNING Mahiun.
    Gay people have EVERY civil right that I have, and were born with them. The issue is if they should have MORE rights than I do, and I DISAGREE with that.

    "And as far as "misinterpreting" the Constitution: well, by making that statement, you have agreed that the Constitution must be interpreted before being applied"
    I have agreed to nothing.
    I said that liberals MISINTERPRET the Constitution, as they absolutely do.

    "And there are people who are paid to study this subject very carefully and very thoroughly, who research the history and modern-day applications, who argue various interpretations and their merits amongst themselves, who finally make decisions about which interpretation will prevail, and who make entire lifelong professional careers of it"
    Right, you mean "Attornies with agendas". Yes, I should trust them to "do the right thing" becaseu as we all know, Attorneys are all honest & would NEVER put party faith in front of a decision....
    What garbage.

    "You're not one of them"....
    Right, I'm not "one of them". I'm just one of the guys who fought to PROTECT the Constitution.
    Can you say the same; Mahiun?

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 10:49 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    I was agreeing with Joe and IG.

    Peter, Affirmative Action is the very problem with this country. Giving someone a job because of their ethnicity, sex, sexual orientation or handicap instead of their sole ability to do a job.

     
  • Mahiun posted at 10:45 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

    Mahiun Posts: 4847

    ...and do for a living what they can...
    It's an important point, Niles, and a good one. Many tribes nationwide, not just he Coeur d'Alene Tribe, are doing what they can, what's available and effective, to improve the odds for their tribal members, to give them a better standard of living, and........

    .....to lessen their dependence on government aid programs!

    I would think that every self-respecting "conservative" would be dancing in the streets at that thought, instead of attacking in every way they can come up with. But, especially in these parts, there seems to be very little that folks around here enjoy more than finding fault with somebody else....

     
  • Mahiun posted at 10:41 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

    Mahiun Posts: 4847

    Their forefathers were a whole leaner, thinner, tougher and more manly breed than what has evolved as well.
    Oh, I didn't realize that you were actually there at the time! You're apparently quite a bit older than I thought....

     
  • Mahiun posted at 10:38 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

    Mahiun Posts: 4847

    What has a gay or lesbian person actually taken from you, Joe? What are you missing that you would otherwise have, if that evil awful horrible no-good gay person hadn't taken it from you? Your ability to persecute and discriminate? Losing the ability to deny someone else their civil rights does not mean that you have lost yours, Joey.

    And as far as "misinterpreting" the Constitution: well, by making that statement, you have agreed that the Constitution must be interpreted before being applied. And there are people who are paid to study this subject very carefully and very thoroughly, who research the history and modern-day applications, who argue various interpretations and their merits amongst themselves, who finally make decisions about which interpretation will prevail, and who make entire lifelong professional careers of it. You're not one of them....

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 10:22 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Listen, I have nothing against the Native Americans, and I DO believe they "got the shaft" completely.

    MY issue is with bigotry, and our adamant refusal to admit it's occurrance when it happens to anyone who is white. If you reversed the color, I would think precisely the same.
    WHAT is not "equal" about that, please, someone tell me.....

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 10:18 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    FACT: White kids in Plummer get run out of the schools there, most of them go to St Maries to escape the RACISM directed against them.

    Protected Class:
    "Protected class is a term used in United States anti-discrimination law.[1] The term describes characteristics or factors which cannot be targeted for discrimination and harassment. The following characteristics are considered "Protected Classes" and persons cannot be discriminated against based on certain characteristics"

    "How has it impacted your life"?
    I disagree with the gay agenda, and even so; it is taught to my children in schools. If I get into an argument or fight with a gay or "minority" person, you are GUARANTEED that I will be charged with a "hate crime".
    DUH.

     
  • Peter posted at 9:11 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

    Peter Posts: 594

    So, given what I've read amongst Native American issues, should there be a greater effort at Affirmative Action to reach out to Native Americans? Just asking...nothing more.

     
  • Peter posted at 9:09 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

    Peter Posts: 594

    What factual info? You've just given an opinion.

    In the view of the law, gay people are considered a special class of citizen, and are given rights of protection that others are not. That makes them MORE equal than others. DUH.

    Such as? How has it impacted your life? Duh...

     
  • DeNiles posted at 8:44 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    Correct: Ignorance can certainly result from not asking questions. That is not IG's problem. It is the insulting and defaming characterizations found in the framework of his commentary. This is especially unfortunate when such ugly words are shared in the context of this article which is celebrating a cultural reminiscence of this group. IG suffers from very skewed perspectives and really, really bad timing.

    Chinese fireworks and tobacco products happen to be 2 commodities in great demand that American laws allow tribal businesses to sell at very advantageous profit margins. That is how they make money. That is also why they deal in casinos. Good? Bad? Better? How to make it better? How it got this way? These are the valid questions. Pose them a nonjudgmental, respectful manner and then we may have some constructive dialogue.

     
  • idahoguy posted at 8:36 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

    idahoguy Posts: 932

    If one goes back into history very far they will fine their ancestors got the shaft from someone else...period. Like the song.... Get Over It Says... stop blaming others for where you landed yourself today.

    The govt is doing it's very best to keep legal citizens in this country divided and co dependent on them. Notice how on the one hand they proclaim we are to learn to be blind to color, race, income and all that cr-p? Well they go out of their way to try to force you to fill in those very blanks on almost any first page of paper work. It keeps placing in your mind you are viewed as different than others. They constantly bring up racial divisions and tear open old wounds which should have healed up and gone away long ago.

    They "your great white fathers" have the Indians co dependent on the govt by giving them special privileges denied to all other legal citizens which the govt has retained all the control over. This is just another ploy to divide all of us. The govt "your great white fathers" can shut down the tobacco sales over night, or deem all those fireworks to dangerous for the public, or allowing gambling off the reservation to increase their cash flow intake. You are but puppets on their strings ;-(

    Sorry Indians IMHO you are still subjecting yourselves to their "your great white fathers" control and manipulation. You have only yourselves to blame. Your refusal to integrate into this country is also holding you back. You are not seen as equal when you want your own lands with your own police and your own land controls. You are building walls between you and us out here. You are allowed/permitted by your "great white fathers" to be able to do that as part of the plan to keep you in your place..separated from the legal population outside your tribal lands. See is you get that fat free govt tax payer funded check if you move off the reservation where they "your great white fathers" want you to live (for your own good off course).... ;-).

    The govt IS working over time to keep the US legal population divided and waring among themselves. Divided we fail to control our elected officials, united we can and will. I have no faith anything will change therefor we have taken the steps in the past and up to now to be living and able to live without govt help, no dependance on others off our spread and we sure do not ask permission to exercise our original Constitutional rights.

    But stay happy and dwell in the past... "your great white fathers" back east want the very best for you....

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 6:59 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    My "ancestors" DID get the shaft by the white man. How is that any different than what is still going on today to ALL Americans no matter their color. Our govt is STILL giving all of us the shaft no matter our color therefore EVERYONE born on American soil should receive the same compensation under these rules.

    I am native American and IG is correct. What does "CHINESE MADE" fireworks and American white man corporate mass produced cancer sticks have to do with my culture? How is that ignorant? Sounds like a pretty intelligent question to me. Sounds like our govt is STILL trying to kill the rest of us off.

    Ignorance is NOT asking these questions.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:33 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    caius, nothing I said is unknown to anyone who lives in or around Plummer.
    That makes your "joes in a bunker" look pretty stupid....

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:32 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    As usual, when confronted with FACTUAL information, the communists respond with namecalling, per caius. Typical.

    In the view of the law, gay people are considered a special class of citizen, and are given rights of protection that others are not. That makes them MORE equal than others. DUH.

     
  • CaiusCosades posted at 7:58 pm on Sat, Feb 9, 2013.

    CaiusCosades Posts: 380

    *This message comes to us LIVE from the deepest recesses of Joe's underground bunker, where he is currently wearing his tinfoil hat and has a near constant stream of FOX news and radical right wing republican radio streaming 24/7 hypnotizing him into some form of an unintelligible robot.*

     
  • Peter posted at 7:54 pm on Sat, Feb 9, 2013.

    Peter Posts: 594

    Well that is an unfortunate opinion, spuddy. How is exactly is it that gay people are "more equal"?

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:14 pm on Sat, Feb 9, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    peter pete peety peeto ppetis says:
    "What is it that they're doing that is keeping you away from obtaining optimal happiness"?
    Abrigding & over riding, misinterpreting and abusing the Constitution of The United States.

    Liberals in America are why racism exists. Without a liberal, we could all be equal. With liberals, some of us are "more equal", like gay people, for example. They ARE put on a pedestal, and used as a "cause" by liberals. They, like any other minority, like the attention, and what they SUPPOSEDLY get out of it.
    Reality is that liberals make life worse for everyone involved with them. If you're black, you become a bigger victim; if you're hispanic, they're for "your rights". In the end, they ENSURE your poverty, because if they didn't, you wouldn't be a reliable voter for the democrapic party.

     
  • Peter posted at 6:03 pm on Sat, Feb 9, 2013.

    Peter Posts: 594

    Jo Jo Mo Jo Spuddy Spudman JoeIdaho..How is it that your life is soooo miserable due to the Human Rights Center, Tony Stewart, and liberals in general? What is it that they're doing that is keeping you away from obtaining optimal happiness?

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 4:58 pm on Sat, Feb 9, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Deniles, most of the time I buy what you're selling, but not on this one.
    WHAT are trying to do here in America, really?
    Do we WANT "equality"?
    Of COURSE we do; in rhetoric. But not in reality.
    The FACT is that in the schools in Plummer, there are an absolute TON of purely racial, Indian agaist White, abuse. The tribe's members, who have a long 9 month hunting season, wait until season for the whites, and then drive & wherever they see Elk, they shoot their guns & drive them away, on public roads, in front of PRIVATE houses.
    WHY IS IT that white kids get driven out of the schools; in Plummer, by the tribal kids, the majority; and no one can say anything about it out loud?
    Evidently, we white people in 2012 "owe" the tribe, and most all of the other minorities a lot; so our kids have to pay by taking abuse for what their forefathers did.
    This is what libs, and evidently you, Deniles; call "equality".
    I call it "payback" and there's not a liberal that wouldn't cheer on the white kid getting picked on BECAUSE he is white.
    That's why I ALWAYS say:
    Lib=H Y P O C R I T E.

     
  • DeNiles posted at 4:17 pm on Sat, Feb 9, 2013.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    Idahoguy....... These people live where they live, look they way they look and do for a living what they can largely because of how they got mangled and mistreated by our gov't in the past. I am positive that all of them would rather have inherited the full measure of their ancient cultures, traditions and lands. As a person, as individual tribes, as an entire ethnicity - they were simply not allowed that option. Understand that?

    If what you see appears shameful to you how do you think they feel? They did not choose this destiny. Amerindians today suffer from the highest rate of suicide of any distinct group in this country - by a wide margin. Here they are trying to proudly celebrate and share their own heritage and all you find are critical words. It is they who should pity people like you.

    Think about that -

     
  • idahoguy posted at 1:31 pm on Sat, Feb 9, 2013.

    idahoguy Posts: 932

    Hey the points I made a current history in the making. Fireworks sales are not part of their past heroic Indian culture. The right to sell tobacco products with no to little taxes paid which is not ever grown around here is not from their wonderful past either. Getting special rights to be the only people (non white) to handle a white culture of gambling certainly is not from their so proud past.

    My point is I will judge them on what they are doing right now which is so cultural... not what some of their forefather once did long ago. Their forefathers were a whole leaner, thinner, tougher and more manly breed than what has evolved as well. I doubt their forefathers would have celebrated what these modern Indians have turned into.... think about that.

     
  • 3GenNative posted at 12:04 pm on Sat, Feb 9, 2013.

    3GenNative Posts: 161

    And your point???
    More ignorance personified.

     
  • CaiusCosades posted at 11:15 am on Sat, Feb 9, 2013.

    CaiusCosades Posts: 380

    I am very happy for the CDA Tribe as they seem to be rising from the ashes into a vibrant, colorful people with many truly great tribal members. It's great to see such a tight community where they teach their culture, language, history, but also teach their kids how to be great leaders in our communities.

     
  • 3GenNative posted at 10:33 am on Sat, Feb 9, 2013.

    3GenNative Posts: 161

    Your gross petty ignorance is showing. Shame, shame, shame on you.

     
  • 3GenNative posted at 10:12 am on Sat, Feb 9, 2013.

    3GenNative Posts: 161

    Well said. Thank You, DeNiles.

     
  • Peter posted at 10:12 am on Sat, Feb 9, 2013.

    Peter Posts: 594

    I find myself concurring w/Deniles. As for some of the other commentaries go, how is it again that the local Human Rights Center and Tony Stewart have diminished the quality of life from the some members of the squakbox on this thread? I find the same people complaining about the two every single time the Press writes a bit on them.

     
  • Mahiun posted at 9:17 am on Sat, Feb 9, 2013.

    Mahiun Posts: 4847

    Some of the comments here are beyond uninformed.
    Consider the source(s)....

     
  • DeNiles posted at 8:55 am on Sat, Feb 9, 2013.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    The current status of Amerindians could be better for them and others. How they arrived at these circumstances is a matter of great shame. Agree with their ancient cultures and religions or not - what is quite clear is that they were lied to, taken advantage of, discriminated against and pretty much abused by European settlers. How many treaties were vacated? How many tribes were forced to relocate? How often did America bring advanced guns to a knife fight? From pre-colonial times until recently our own natives have pretty much been handed the shaft.

    If America owes any ethnic group considerations, redress and recompense for intentional wrongs done by our gov't it is the natives who occupied these lands for many thousands of years. AND, they did a much better job of respecting the land, the environment and the fauna than others have demonstrated. The current status of the Amerindians is not by their own choice or desire. They are making do with what little has been afforded them.

    Do your homework before you shoot off your comments. Amerindian cultures got raped and their lands pillaged. Some of the comments here are beyond uninformed. They are thickly calloused and downright embarrassing.

     
  • idahoguy posted at 7:53 am on Sat, Feb 9, 2013.

    idahoguy Posts: 932

    Can anyone clear up this word "gift" Is this the very same money derived from gambling profits which is required by the same special interest laws which allow only Indians to monopolize the white man's game of poker, craps and gambling? Or is this truly an out of the deep pocket hand out which has no requirements to do attached to it? Which is it?

    Next how long will the monthly entitlement checks keep flowing to these people anyway. It should be based on a time line of self respect and self achievement. If not just time as 150 years have gone by and many are still under achievers from the welfare mentality effects....

    Are these the very same people who are allowed to resell cigarettes they do not produce with no taxes added to the cancer sticks to their fellow Americans which the rest of us are left on the hook with ever rising insurance rates to off set the proven smoking related cancer and other directly related costs killing everyone else?

    Are these the same poor people who also are allowed to sell high performance fireworks around the 4th of July... a holiday which has zero to do with their culture history? These fireworks are not like the weak under achievers white men are allowed to sell in our towns to celebrate our history...go figure????

    Why do the Indians get to have the monopoly on so many white man's accomplishments while the one's who did all the work are penalized by not having the very same
    "Human Rights" to have casinos or gambling on their lands, buy cancer sticks at a much lower price with a much higher profit margin and have the rights to sell fireworks of equal ability in their own home towns?

    The "Human Rights" being touted here and again and again are not equal and until they become equal in all things this is a freaking ...farce.

    Next time you meet a CDA Indian ask them if the can fluently speak their native tongue..... I have and they can not. Go figure.

    One more thing... If you Indians want to complain some more about not enough space to display this supposed long line of accomplishments then put the exhibit on your own land in that over sized ever expanding rigged casino south of us. Your Bingo hall is plenty big last time I looked in there..ha ha ha !!!

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 7:37 am on Sat, Feb 9, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    ah "truthgful1", no white people are ALLOWED to have "culture". If a white person has "culture" than he is obviously a klan member, right?
    Liberal=Hypocrite.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 7:22 am on Sat, Feb 9, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    You know, I MIGHT be interested in seeing the Tribe's stuff, except:
    (A) It's at the ignorant "human rights institute", a blight on society.
    (B) If the tribe's kid's & adults didn't hate white people quite as much. (Since I know of PLENTY of parents who won't allow their kids to go TO Plummers schools over the purely RACIST treatment/abuse they recieve from the majority tribal kids).

    So tell me, "tribe", are you REALLY all about equality & decency, or is it just about leeching every dollar you can out of the casino & making all of the whiteys move out of Plummer?

     
  • truthful1 posted at 7:17 am on Sat, Feb 9, 2013.

    truthful1 Posts: 554

    ah, nothing like hearing about culture to bring out the local hillbillies...

     
  • Flash Gordon posted at 7:00 am on Sat, Feb 9, 2013.

    Flash Gordon Posts: 1238

    You're in need of a .....cranial colonic:)

     
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