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Posted: Friday, July 13, 2012 5:15 am

On June 28, Team McEuen presented their current plans. The article in The Press on that presentation appeared on June 29. That article did not report many things (probably due to time and space constraints) that the general public would be quite interested in knowing. What follows comes from extensive notes taken a little over a week ago today, complete with some exact quotes:

Team McEuen has drilled several holes between 15 and 40 feet in depth, and the area has received a “clean bill of health.” They reported there is some wood waste, but “the good news is that 15 feet down there is rock.” They reported the site is “very manageable.”

The plan is being developed into five districts: Harbor, Plaza, Front Avenue, Trail and Recreation. There will be “district markers” of some sort in each of these areas to label them for people to say, “Meet me at…” Within each district there will be at least 1, and sometimes 2, “very large scale” art pieces.

Three structures were discussed. The “Harbor House” is planned to be 916 square feet and to be placed by the edge of the lake to “serve for a Tubbs Hill lead-in.” The Pavilion will have an 11,000-square-foot roof. Part of it will include four open-air areas, each of which will be able to accommodate 80 people. There will be counters behind them with water access. The plan is to keep maintenance to a minimum. The East Toilet will be 835 square feet.

The playground will have a “nostalgic, historical” theme including a fire tower overlooking the area, a railroad trestle-like crossover for the Centennial Trail, a sawmill, a waterwheel, perhaps mining theme and a tugboat element, “perhaps cut up with some of it planted so kids can get on it.” Dan Gookin gave kudos for this play area reflecting the Pacific Northwest.

The parking lot under Front Avenue is planned to stretch from The Resort to Parkside Place.

This parking lot will increase the current parking in McEuen and along Front by 10 spaces, achieved by angling the parking on Front from 40 spaces to a planned 82 spaces aboveground. The parking planned by City Hall will increase total parking for the McEuen re-make by 179 spaces.

It was stressed that the 25-boat trailer spaces now planned by the launch would be converted to 75-car spaces should the boat launch be removed. One member present stated he, for one, “hopes the boat launch can always be there,” and that if Silver Beach can be developed, as well, that would be even better. He was most happy to see the compromise regarding the launch parking.

Energy-saving LED lighting will be used: 100 percent at dusk, 50 percent around 10, possibly 10 percent at midnight.

Dog Park volunteers have taken over the funding for that feature, possibly with a separation for dog sizes. It will be 200-by-100 square feet, just south of the present 3rd base on McEuen I and will not be on Tubbs.

The Legion Baseball Field was discussed extensively. Because it is not supposed to be moved without an equal or better place to play, Ron Edinger said it should not be moved out until the 15th Street replacement is complete. Doug Eastwood said they are “looking at five or six options” for a temporary replacement including Persons and Ramsey. Mayor Bloem stated that even in the interim, it will be better than now.

At this point, the “swear word” mentioned in The Press’ article occurred when Ron said, “Sh!t,” and immediately went on to stress that four councilmembers have said it would not be moved until equal or better would be available: Deanna, Mike, Sandi and himself. Ron then said he didn’t care about the interim, but the important thing is what the four of them have said. Deanna and Sandi continued supporting the moving of the field at the end of this season. Steve Adams tried to get the discussion back to “compromise” and to keep the field until the new one is ready. Another person at the table said it has to be moved in order for other elements to take place. Woody ended it by thanking Team McEuen for their presentation. During this entire discussion, Ron was present, and did not walk out, as reported in our paper.

At this point, Dan said that a lot of people are very upset and suggested we “hold off until the economy gets better.” He stated that “based on the 2011 election, we two (Dan and Steve) are here” because of McEuen.

Sandi then said, “I hope you will get on board.” There is a 4-3 vote, and “it is time to move on.”

Linda Wolovich is a Coeur d’Alene resident.

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  • concernedcitizen posted at 6:57 am on Mon, Jul 16, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    The city, IMO, is PURPOSELY not using it to create chaos to justify their intentions.

  • Susie Snedaker posted at 1:22 pm on Sun, Jul 15, 2012.

    Susie Snedaker Posts: 80

    It seems to me that the existing second parking lot kiosk at Mc Euen at Fourth Street could be utilized during summer months. As it is now, it is usually closed and the entrance chained. Using this would certainly provide better traffic flows.

  • Adamsfly posted at 10:04 am on Sun, Jul 15, 2012.

    Adamsfly Posts: 46

    What in your mind is equal or better cgent47, the actual playing service and ball field or the location and view? The two are very different. If you are concerned about the actual baseball field, as the players are, than there are some options available to build the American Legion an equal or better field. As far as the softball fields we already have equal or better at Ramsey. But if you are not concerned about quality only location we will have a problem. I, for one, want a top notch ball field better than McUeun and I know that can be done.

  • concernedcitizen posted at 8:49 am on Sun, Jul 15, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530



    Same with the ball fields.

  • cgent47 posted at 10:59 pm on Sat, Jul 14, 2012.

    cgent47 Posts: 193

    "@JClark: Your description of the traffic problem as it exists today is quite indicative of why a boat launch no longer belongs in that spot. "

    Where is the new boat launch? I've yet to find it.

  • concernedcitizen posted at 4:52 pm on Sat, Jul 14, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530


    The properties north of Sherman that are owned by the LCDC were purchased FOR parking garages. At least that is what the LCDC told us they were for at the time. (wink wink)

    Probably why the rush. They can build McEuen at OUR expense then sell the lots north to one of the insider friends at today's bottom price.

    See, it's a win win ------- if you are a "GOOD OLE BOY".

  • cdasfuture posted at 3:06 pm on Sat, Jul 14, 2012.

    cdasfuture Posts: 123

    The planned underground parking should be moved to Lakeside, aboveground, for the following reasons:
    1. 7 million dollars is a misuse of our tax dollars since there will only be an added 10 spaces to the area as it is now, and those 10 spaces are due only to the 40 extra spaces being created on Front Street itself by changing it to angled parking...the garage is not worth the extra expense. (and of course there are around 180 new spaces being generated by City Hall)
    2.Team McEuen has expressed some concern regarding pedestrian conflict as cars come up from below.
    3.All the trees along Front, including our Freedom Tree, will be spared, continuing to flourish in place.
    4.When the parking garage is placed on Lakeside, the bulk of the traffic will not be funneled into a dead-end area.

  • arius1 posted at 12:14 pm on Sat, Jul 14, 2012.

    arius1 Posts: 957

    I have to agree with Julie, re front street. Trafffic during the summer months is crazy on front street. I use it all the time to get home, as do most people living south of Mullan and east of Tubbs. As I understand it the Front st. renovation and underground parking garage will reduce traffic on Front to a parking lot or those looking for a parking spot. Which means that the majority of traffic is diverted to Sherman and Lakeside, (year round). If a traffic study was done, either they (fab 4 and team McQuen) disregarded the findings or altered them to fool the public.
    I don't have a boat or use the boat ramp, but have seen it used by so many (mostly from out of the area) that the boom to downtown businesses from these boaters must be of some import to them. Am I missing why the Downtown Assoc. and Chamber would support its relocation?

  • the floorist posted at 9:58 am on Sat, Jul 14, 2012.

    the floorist Posts: 331

    Y'all remember that base/softball complex that used to be in Post Falls a few blocks north of Mullan ave.? Are the lights and scoreboard stuff still available for use? And isn't there a ball field off Lancaster rd. west of 95?

  • LTRLTR posted at 8:49 pm on Fri, Jul 13, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Randy understands how Mayor Bloem, Council Members Kennedy, Goodlander and McEvers does business when he said "So the stage is now set to get rid of the ball fields BEFORE equal or better are even identified".

    False promises.

    Lack of communication.

    No accountability.

    Bad, bad, bad City of Coeur d'Alene!

  • Humanist posted at 8:45 pm on Fri, Jul 13, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    Quote Jclark: "and let the happy boaters have some space."

    And they have plenty of other space at other launches around the lake. To continue to have boat launching trucks with trailers contributing to the existing traffic quagmire makes little sense. HMMMMMMM. Again, let's stress that this is an existing problem prior to any McEuen redevelopment activities. Those who support leaving the boat launch where it is seem to want to perpetuate this problem for the sake of keeping something the way it is.

  • IdahoJoey posted at 7:52 pm on Fri, Jul 13, 2012.

    IdahoJoey Posts: 344

    Among many proper ideas being made a part of the Park plan is the idea that every tree that can be spared or relocated WILL be. Everyone knows that mature trees are infinitely more desirable than short, new trees that need 15 years of growth before providing any shade. It's been a part of the plan from the very beginning, but those who only see doom and gloom will always feel a need to stir the pot. I wonder what will be the next topic of woefully misinformed criticism.

  • JClark posted at 6:01 pm on Fri, Jul 13, 2012.

    JClark Posts: 91

    Or (Humanist) make room for the boats and reduce the REST OF THE TRAFFIC. That, my friend, could be the highest and best use for the most people. The boat launchers are doing a great job...I have been down there a lot lately...people helping people....real nice and orderly when I have been there. Why not park people North of Sherman on the lots already purchased bin LCDC for this purpose and let the happy boaters have some space.? HMMMMMMMMMM

  • Bea posted at 3:27 pm on Fri, Jul 13, 2012.

    Bea Posts: 15

    TRASH THE TREES: Is anyone awake? Stand by The Bakery or walk down the sidewalk by McEuen. How many beautiful mature trees do you see rustling in the breeze, casting shade on the bank behind the library? Ten? Twenty? Thirty? What is the view from the library community room? Rolling lawn and trees.

    Now imagine these same scenes with a concrete underground and on-ground parking structure. Gorgeous, huh? Quite an improvement, right? Disneyland North. Cars will be zipping in and out of the under-the-street (under the street??!) parking structure and driving over the whole northern part of the park from the library to the present entrance. Watch out, pedestrians! Watch out, little kids!

    A vested few people, including four city council members, are forcing an abominable parking structure on our citizens, trading trees for the sake of a few more parking spaces. How can anyone be so backward, so money-hungry, so narrow, so power-hungry? Traffic will still back up, but even more so than now because it will all have to turn right and squeeze onto Front St....and, of course, it will pass, or maybe stop and patronize, the present and future businesses crammed into those five blocks.


  • Humanist posted at 3:24 pm on Fri, Jul 13, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3208

    @JClark: Your description of the traffic problem as it exists today is quite indicative of why a boat launch no longer belongs in that spot. There is no good reason why we should be miring the situation any further by throwing vehicles towing and launching boats and then needing to park their massive trailers into the mix.

  • JClark posted at 2:45 pm on Fri, Jul 13, 2012.

    JClark Posts: 91

    A little follow up about the parking...I post this at 2:45 on Friday. Traffic at the current Parking lot is backed up from Sherman to the lot entrance....all along in Front of the Resort. There is one entrance to the 3rd Street Lot open. Delivery vehicles are blocking Front Street to deliver to the Plaza (the alley was vacated for the shopping Plaza to be built so now the trucks just park in the street and block traffic. ) Out of town cars are turning up the wrong way on Third Street ( Oregon Plate and Washington Plate). People are gunning their motors in frustration. If a motorist stops for a pedestrian in one lane, the pedestrian is often ignored by motorists going the other direction. People leaving the Resort have long waits to pull out. The Current McEuen plan drives ALL the traffic to Front Street. Is this a good idea? HMMMMMMMM

  • LTRLTR posted at 12:24 pm on Fri, Jul 13, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171


    The City of Coeur d'Alene should hire Linda to be their new communication/media person because of her excellent work reporting on the June 28 meeting because the City continues with its poor performance!

    Good job Linda!

    Bad, Bad, Bad, City of Cda.

  • JClark posted at 11:38 am on Fri, Jul 13, 2012.

    JClark Posts: 91

    Linda....thanks for the clear translation. Many, many eyes are focused on the City Council today. I continue to align myself with former Mayor and current councilman Ron Edinger. There are too many questions and too few answers to proceed with this plan. I have not heard or seen anything that shows me that this Parking Monster is a good way to spend tax money at this time. I have not seen any information that shows me that the parking is properly placed. Downtown business owners continue to tell me that if we proceed....we are losing our one chance to get the parking OUT of the Park area. The grand parking scheme gobbles up what could be Park budget. Hmmmmmmmmmm

  • cdaterry1 posted at 8:52 am on Fri, Jul 13, 2012.

    cdaterry1 Posts: 56

    Why is Goodlander on BOTH the lcdc board AND the city council?? This is a complete conflict of interest.....Goodlander - Please have the Integrity to resign from one of the is unfair for you to be on both.

  • mister d posted at 8:24 am on Fri, Jul 13, 2012.

    mister d Posts: 1531

    Lets shove this baby through before the public gets a chance to vote and change the composition of the council and mayor. Person field, yep thats equal to the current ball field. So many lies and manipulations.

  • wheels1 posted at 8:14 am on Fri, Jul 13, 2012.

    wheels1 Posts: 477

    The underground parking idea needs to be shuttled.

  • DeNiles posted at 7:04 am on Fri, Jul 13, 2012.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    I think the some form of exotic McEuen redo will occur. The methods used to kick off the project were really reprehensible. I can only hope that future, more ethical leadership brings the makeover into clearer community focus and acceptance. But there are a number of incumbents who need to be shown the door and a host of city agencies in serious need of housecleaning.

    And once they start digging, get ready for the $$$$$$ overruns. Whether unstable landfill or granite escarpment there will be problems. This is why such projects always need a lot of professional planning and realistic budgeting. Too bad we got neither.

  • Timeless posted at 7:02 am on Fri, Jul 13, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    Thanks for the letter Linda.

    Sandi is right, " I hope you will get on board, it's time to move on. "

  • Flash Gordon posted at 6:49 am on Fri, Jul 13, 2012.

    Flash Gordon Posts: 1647

    I'm very interested to know the results of the "hole poking" in front of the Parkside Towers since that portion of Front street is sinking before our very eyes......Our city engineering department probably has a very good idea as to why that is but as yet has not found it necessary to inform the public.....

  • ProIdaho posted at 6:27 am on Fri, Jul 13, 2012.

    ProIdaho Posts: 263

    "now is the time"???
    Riiiight. So we spend taxpayer dollars (we don't have) during a recession/depression for a parking garage and move around some dirt to "pretty" up a park that only needed modest updating?

    At least Riverstone has the potential for hundreds or a couple thousand full time jobs, but please explain how spending $14 million plus on a park remodel will generate any more jobs downtown?

  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:17 am on Fri, Jul 13, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Wrong, spending tax dollars does NOT "help get the economy going".
    This whole thing is one gigantic waste of tax dollars. What a mess.

  • Why Not posted at 5:40 am on Fri, Jul 13, 2012.

    Why Not Posts: 5265

    Improving downtown helps the economy Dan, gets the ball rolling again, and with costs down during the present national malaise now is the time.

  • straight up posted at 5:26 am on Fri, Jul 13, 2012.

    straight up Posts: 965

    And so it goes in Chicago West.....

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