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Posted: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 1:10 am

SPOKANE - More than 800 people on Tuesday filled the Expo Building at the Spokane County Fairgrounds, determined to have a say about a coal export terminal that is proposed for Cherry Point north of Bellingham, Wash.

Coal would travel to the proposed Gateway Pacific Terminal through Montana, North Idaho and Washington state, and then be shipped to China. The proposed deep-water marine terminal would handle the export of up to 54 million tons of bulk commodities per year, nearly all of that coal. SSA Marine is behind the project.

Advocates of the project, many of them wearing green T-shirts, said China is going to burn coal regardless of where it gets it, so workers here should benefit by providing the resource, not those in another state or British Columbia, Canada. Getting that coal to China would produce railroad jobs in addition to jobs in Whatcom County, where the terminal would be built. Those workers would spend their money locally, benefitting state businesses.

Opponents, who outnumbered the others and showed up wearing red T-shirts, said coal is a dirty, old source of energy and its time has passed. They said residents in Montana, North Idaho and Washington would be affected by flaking coal dust and diesel fumes as large numbers of long trains would roll through towns like Sandpoint and Spokane on the way west. Opponents said if the terminal is built it could mean an increase of 18 trains per day through Spokane.

Whatcom County, Wash., officials, the Washington state Department of Ecology and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers will conduct an environmental review. The county and those agencies said an environmental impact statement is required to determine how the project would affect the environment from the mine to the terminal.

Tuesday's hearing was to help them decide what factors to analyze and what geographic area to consider. Opponents demanded that air emissions, noise, and traffic effects to North Idaho, Montana and Eastern Washington be taken into consideration. There is also a question about public safety from derailments or a spill.

Sandpoint City Councilman Aaron Qualls said the city adopted a resolution earlier this year calling for the deciding bodies to take into consideration the adverse impacts to communities like his that sit along the coal's route from the Powder River Basin, which is in Montana and Wyoming, to western Washington. Looking only at impacts at the site of the terminal is insufficient, he said.

"We'd like them to include us in the scope of the (environmental impact statement)," he said. "There might be some economic benefit to Whatcom County and to the energy companies operating out of the Powder River Basin, but at what cost to all the communities in between?"

Ian Primmer, of the United Transportation Union local 1505, which is based in Rathdrum, said, "Coal is a job creator."

He said the coal cars don't flake coal off to the extent opponents contend.

"They're not flaking large amounts," he said. "These people just don't understand the facts."

Steve Hart, a locomotive engineer with BNSF Railway Co., and Liberty Lake resident, said, "I'm one of the guys who personally hauls the coal trains through downtown Spokane."

He said this is a jobs issue. The new Cherry Point terminal could produce about 100 new railroad jobs, adding to 400 existing ones to handle the transport of coal from the Powder River Basin to western Washington.

"So that's 500-plus jobs that are in this pipeline," he said. "We all need to consider that, because that's important. That's what pays the bills in this country."

Crystal Gartner, of the Sierra Club's Beyond Coal Campaign, said Spokane currently has between one and five coal trains coming through town each day. That's out of a total of approximately 70 trains through town each day.

"So we're talking about a huge potential spike in coal-train traffic," Gartner said. "And these are the heaviest, longest trains out there. And they're the dirtiest and potentially most dangerous trains in terms of traffic."

Jani Gilbert, a spokeswoman for the Department of Ecology, said the process of considering the project is in the early stages.

"This meeting and the others around the state of Washington are to get testimony about what we should study in order to have enough information to make permitting decisions," Gilbert said. "So we don't know what everybody is concerned about, and that's what we're collecting now."

The current "scoping" process will continue through Jan. 21 with more public hearings in Washington. There are no formal hearings in Idaho or Montana.

A draft environmental impact statement would follow, along with public comment on that document. A final impact statement would be issued after comments on the draft are considered.

Also, in a related project, BNSF has proposed adding rail facilities adjacent to the Cherry Point terminal site, and installing a second track along a six-mile spur.

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  • JoeIdaho posted at 8:56 am on Sat, Dec 8, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Hey guess what, environny?
    It's not YOUR choice as to how many trains run through or over ANY tracks, and it's not YOUR business who sells what to whom. You, as MOST liberal do; think that you somehow have this ability to control everything that others do in order to suit yourself better.
    "Mother Earth" is a stupid slogan. More like "volcanic tectonic plate shifting dangerous planet".

     
  • AnonymousCda posted at 8:12 am on Sat, Dec 8, 2012.

    AnonymousCda Posts: 242

    I love the name to negate propaganda JoeIdaho. The Jobs claims are nothing but false presumptions. There has been no true assessment of how many jobs, and how long they would last. Make the lie big and repeat if often. To get people believing it is true. That's more of a Politician tactic overall. Yea, just a plain Idahoan, Pagan. That supports Mother Earth for its the only livable planet around.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 5:30 am on Sat, Dec 8, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    So, "anonymous" & "ziggy" think that:
    (A) If a rail line comes through your town, you have the RIGHT to control how many trains use it
    (B) That a radioactive cloud drifted from China to here (never happened)
    (C) That is a person has a job in Idaho, they pay no taxes
    (D) That mercury in coal poses some risk, somehow.
    The EPA states that if you eat 139 POUNDS of fish per year, and you live next to a coal fired power plant, (NOT one 5,000 miles away) that you will have elevated levels of mercury.

    The above LIBERAL mantra is what is wrecking America. It's not any wonder at all that there are no new jobs, and won't be.
    Liberals are POISON to America.

     
  • AnonymousCda posted at 11:52 pm on Fri, Dec 7, 2012.

    AnonymousCda Posts: 242

    Surprised on the new look of the CDA pres. Just saying.

    Coal burning from China will result in increase mercury levels within the Waters of the NorthWest. They do already just be increased.

    No revenue will be made by Idaho in taxes. By the sale of or transport of coal. May be 2 or 3 jobs if that.

    There is no fund setup to support area businesses or taxpayers if things go in the wrong direction.

    The Powder Basin will be mined like the Tarsands of Canada.

    Union Bosses will get increase pay an bonuses if this goes threw.

    China steps into the USA to cause a divide an conquer tactic with money. An people on there knees with there hand out saying "I'll take what ever you give me". Give China a inch, an they'll take a mile then communists control will be real.

    Look up TPPA. Tran-Pacific Partnership Alliance designed by the rich, and largest corporations. Not for you, for them the rich and corporations.

     
  • Ziggy posted at 7:27 pm on Fri, Dec 7, 2012.

    Ziggy Posts: 1045

    Well, you would doom your neighbors living in Rathdrum to 60 trains a day barreling through their town. Obviously you don't live there. Would you like to live next to 60 trains a day, negotiate a road crossing the track whereon 60 trains a day will travel? I doubt it.
    As to mercury--it's a GLOBAL concern. Just as the radioactive cloud drifted from China to the NW U.S.A., so does the mercury cloud.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 5:36 pm on Fri, Dec 7, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    What's comedic is when people like you, who are "for" the environment use your "position" to justify many Americans out of work. You'll HAPPILY sacrifice THEIR jobs for YOUR beliefs; all the while telling me how you "understand" socialism & communism.
    Your two "totally different types of government" are one & the same. Russia was communist; ALL of their states were called "socialist", including Russia to disguise communism.
    On China having unclean air; I CARE LESS. That's THEIR air; not mine or yours. The idea that you, like ANY liberal, have the ability to concede American jobs over your overwhelming need to control what others do is ludicrous, and the PRIMARY REASON America is in the mess we find ourselves in now.
    I FOUGHT Communists; did you?

     
  • Ziggy posted at 11:36 am on Fri, Dec 7, 2012.

    Ziggy Posts: 1045

    Joe, you don't have a clue. Everyone who doesn't agree with me, I will now call a Unicorn. You unicorns are just plain awful. Just awful. Unicorns are responsible for bad air, bad water, bad decisions. Unicorns, bah!
    Have you actually studied communism, socialism, which, by the way are two totally different types of governments. Russia had neither. Have you studied democracy and republicanism? Plato's ideas? Swedenborg? He's a trip. It's worth the time before you shoot your mouth off about Unicorns or, yeah, I forget, communists.
    I have two friends who visited China last year. The Chinese have terrible air. Whole cities are full of sick people made so by the awful air due to burning of coal. Even the Chinese are getting worried, but, being Unicorns, they care more about the almighty dollar than a few million young people dying.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 9:03 am on Fri, Dec 7, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Anonymous, you are out of your mind. This is unbelievably stupid.
    You said:
    "North Idaho is not Coal Country"
    DUH.
    "When coal Trains do role threw North Idaho which they are already rolling threw Sandpoint. What about the loss of tourism dollars, Lost of North Idaho Jobs because of Coal Trains an relation to the coal Country. That will stereotype North Idaho forever"
    How completely ignorant.
    Tell me, GENIUS, why isn't North Idaho known as "Chinese goods country" being that trains roll through here every day with Chinese goods on them? Or maybe "wheat country" because wheat goes through, too?
    SHEESH...
    "Who's going to pay for that, You will with higher taxes"
    Pay for WHAT? The government collects MORE taxes, you have MORE workers on it, and you say "we're going to pay for it"? And why does it give us "higher taxes"? DUH again.

    "North Idaho gets nothing Zero but increase pollution"
    Nope, again.

    "Anyone signs on with China seeks monetary gain with the communists. The jobs will be many one year, then the next year fewer, the next year fewer"
    Hey Genius, again where do you think all of our money goes now? This is a way to get some of it BACK, and what do you say? We SELL coal to China, see, SELL....is different than BUY.

    "The BNSF is owned by Warren Buffet an Hathaway which will profit an keep the profit"
    DUH. I suppose you expect them to give you the profit which is THEIRS, Period.

    "Attn: Idahoan's don't give a inch to those seeking monetary gain threw double speak, lies, and propaganda"
    How many gaps in your teeth do YOU speak through?

    "Stop supporting the rich, they get plenty of Socialized support from the people and Gov't already"
    Liek any good communist, you start in with class warfare; the "rich" get NOTHING from you, but you GET their money, every day.
    FACT:
    109 million people have jobs in America
    87 million people either work for the government or collect welfare.
    But don't worry, "anaonymous", there won't be any rich to pay your way soon. THEN what'll you do?

     
  • AnonymousCda posted at 7:53 am on Fri, Dec 7, 2012.

    AnonymousCda Posts: 242

    North Idaho is not Coal Country. When coal Trains do role threw North Idaho which they are already rolling threw Sandpoint. What about the loss of tourism dollars, Lost of North Idaho Jobs because of Coal Trains an relation to the coal Country. That will stereotype North Idaho forever. Who's going to pay for that, You will with higher taxes. North Idaho gets nothing Zero but increase pollution.

    Anyone signs on with China seeks monetary gain with the communists. The jobs will be many one year, then the next year fewer, the next year fewer. The BNSF is owned by Warren Buffet an Hathaway which will profit an keep the profit.

    Attn: Idahoan's don't give a inch to those seeking monetary gain threw double speak, lies, and propaganda. Stop supporting the rich, they get plenty of Socialized support from the people and Gov't already.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 8:01 pm on Thu, Dec 6, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    "Ziggy", you really don't have a clue, do you.
    I have relatives that work in the coal mines in West Virginia. I know about Black Lung, and I know how you DON'T get it. You are all scared of coal coming through this area on a train; and you don't care that you SUPPOSED worry about the "environment" will cost American JOBS.
    So; as always, as a communist, you'd rather have another country export coal to the Chinese, and our workers again have NO JOBS. But they SUPPOSEDLY have cleaner air.
    I use the word "communist" because facts are FACTS. You & your ilk are always about what's "best for all of us", and reality is that you live by a left wing COMMUNIST agenda.

     
  • Ziggy posted at 3:45 pm on Thu, Dec 6, 2012.

    Ziggy Posts: 1045

    Joe "Idaho" you are just too funny. Anyone who doesn't agree with you in a Communist????? Ridiculous. Name calling is a 6th grade level indulgence.
    Coal dust and the burning of coal is harmful to human health. Period. Been proved time and time again. Of course, only communists believe in science, right? heh heh
    Grow up Joe. Get a life away from Fox News. There's a whole world out there of music, books, thought, science, etc. etc.

     
  • aayupp posted at 9:08 am on Thu, Dec 6, 2012.

    aayupp Posts: 307

    the indians deplore the coal mining in wyoiming? well- your a little late as they have been mining here for many many rears and when i was in iowa along the mississippi, rail link (mt comany) was involved in the coal haul into the midwest. from WYOMING! evryone that lived there , quad cities, muscatine all benefited with lower electric rates and esp the private industry loved it; we are talking like heinz, HON , BT prime mover, GNC --these are what I call big time players man - not rindy dinky HS stuff that JOBSPLUS wants here. Now, we dont have the BIG RIVER here but we got the railroad and we need to use it and add more trains and stop removing these links for bike baths.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 8:46 am on Thu, Dec 6, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Communists are deplorable.
    Trains that would pass THROUGH have EVERY RIGHT to do it with as many trains as they canput on those tracks. There is NOTHING bad about coal, and the jobs that would be created are all over, not just here, and the money that comes BACK to America is in the billions.
    But liberal COMMUNISTS will say ANYTHING to stop America from having an economy, "corporations are bad" "businesses are bad", "global warmimng" blah blah blah.
    MEANwhile, there are NO jobs.
    And what do the environazis have to say about that?
    "It's only a few jobs". But I BET they're kinda....IMPORTANT to the people that have them.

    GLOBAL WARMING IS A HOAX< Blowbama is the worst president in history.

     
  • AnonymousCda posted at 10:51 pm on Wed, Dec 5, 2012.

    AnonymousCda Posts: 242

    India will be outpacing China in building Coal plants by next year.

     
  • AnonymousCda posted at 10:41 pm on Wed, Dec 5, 2012.

    AnonymousCda Posts: 242

    The enviro group/Occupy group had few Union speakers against the trains as well. At the Meeting last night. Including Native Indians from Yakima, Spokane, Couer d'Alene, Cheyenne, Blackfeet tribes all denouncing call trains. More people wanting to protect Mother Earth than destroying it.

     
  • AnonymousCda posted at 10:36 pm on Wed, Dec 5, 2012.

    AnonymousCda Posts: 242

    That's not true in Missoula residents near the tracks do find coal dust on equipment, personal vehicles. The Coal Trains that currently pass threw into Canada.

     
  • will-- posted at 8:01 pm on Wed, Dec 5, 2012.

    will-- Posts: 795

    "Any up for coal trains passing threw Rathdrum City with coal dust amounts blowing out around Lakeland Junior High, an Brown Elementary???"

    You have to be kidding. The cars are blown clean of dust before they even get off the mine site in Wyoming. Quit spreading disinformation.

     
  • Ziggy posted at 7:13 pm on Wed, Dec 5, 2012.

    Ziggy Posts: 1045

    The jobs would be few here. A person or two for refueling if they refuel here. What would not be livable or bearable would be living in Rathdrum 60-120 trains a day??? You're kidding. When I attended Gonzaga in the late 60s the 30 trains or so a night kept me awake.

     
  • AnonymousCda posted at 6:14 pm on Wed, Dec 5, 2012.

    AnonymousCda Posts: 242

    Mining will also destroy the Powder Basin, If you like coal go to China and fire up some Coal Power plants traitor.

     
  • AnonymousCda posted at 6:10 pm on Wed, Dec 5, 2012.

    AnonymousCda Posts: 242

    Turnout was more like around 250 people lesser than. Any up for coal trains passing threw Rathdrum City with coal dust amounts blowing out around Lakeland Junior High, an Brown Elementary???

    This is not about ants looking for a few jobs (change under the pillows) an to increase Union Bosses wages thanks to China.

    Many Indian Tribes From the Spokane, Couer d'Alene, Yakima, Cheyenne.... Disapproved on any coal trains and the destruction of the Powder Basin, Indian Lands from being mined.

    It not what like to do our like to happen. Its what we all "Ought" to do which is right not just for us but for the rest of Earth. Ought is under Liberty, but the other side is more what can I get out of this while screwing everyone else.

    No Coal Trains In North Idaho including the one's running threw Sandpoint into Canada today. STOP.

    The Union hired 35 temp workers to wear green an hold the front lines early mourning hours.

     
  • greyhound2 posted at 6:06 pm on Wed, Dec 5, 2012.

    greyhound2 Posts: 696

    Until new technology can help reduce the carbon-dixoide emissions from coal, and while the Chinese race to destroy the planet by turning it into a global-warming greenhouse (they are currently building one new coal power plant per week), could some of the profits from shipments to the few involved pay drivers who are stuck at railroad crossing for two hours waiting for another coal train to pass before another one arrives, and block off the intersection again for hours? People living on the north side of the valley should learn how to pack a lunch for something to eat while waiting. At least they won't have to worry about sea level rise, that's Seattle's problem.

     
  • AnonymousCda posted at 5:51 pm on Wed, Dec 5, 2012.

    AnonymousCda Posts: 242

    Once you allow Chinese to use there influence within by a way of a Financial Warfare Tactic. The result is this. Don't support Exporting Chinese Coal for a little amount of change under the couch pillows.

     
  • 3Cheers posted at 4:59 pm on Wed, Dec 5, 2012.

    3Cheers Posts: 350

    This is hilarious! Two lefty groups fighting with each other. Unions vs enviro-terrorists!
    O B s er has a war on coal and jobs. But not to worry.

    Max Power-love your Algor news story!

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 4:26 pm on Wed, Dec 5, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    "DC (sad to say) in Idaho, and "kimnerl"...

    OK, so we have (A) a transplant form a "booming city" one that's "boomng" because of OUR tax dollars.
    Then, we have kimnerl, who THINKS he can explain what a "fact " is to the rest of us. Are you a professor, "kim"?

    Here's a little dose of REALITY.
    The people who protest coal are ALL communists, they are anti-American, and they care LESS about others having jobs. Sound familiar? it should, becasue that's what Liberals do; the condescend on anyone who disagrees, and in this instance, it also costs other their JOBS.
    So; Canada or someone else can ship the Chinese coal, our workers will lose their jobs, and you NINNIES will get your way.
    Me; I can't WAIT until it all colpses, and then you can have your Sierra Club, KEA & all the rest, while you're HUNGRY, because in your opinion, it could never happen, especially not with BLOWbama in office.

    Wnat a "Fact", knerl?
    America won't look like America in less than a year, and it's YOUR fault.

     
  • aayupp posted at 2:27 pm on Wed, Dec 5, 2012.

    aayupp Posts: 307

    sorry about my repeated message here but the Fact is : the mentality of "not in my back yard" has to change for the good of jobs and good paying jobs since guess why we are in this financial crisis now- duh? the good times are over and we need to bring back good paying industrial jobs and we need to stop whining about industry and its ugliness. there was a recent story about how downright pathetic spokane , for example, is as far a finding a decent job and that goes for most of the NW US - do you think we get good schools from flipping hamburgers and more retail shops. No, you get good schools from real companies - real players which NI has zero.

     
  • aayupp posted at 12:05 pm on Wed, Dec 5, 2012.

    aayupp Posts: 307

    the terminal- and coal energy. after all i can not believe the Sierra Club just adores those ugly wind turbines destoying the once beautiful landscape by vantage wa. whatever happen to blending in this type of development into the landscape to make it more natural- like they do with the logging industry and building roads 2 faced greenies. i support btw- canada is way ahead of this country in developing their resources and sending them westward.

     
  • will-- posted at 11:54 am on Wed, Dec 5, 2012.

    will-- Posts: 795

    With 25% of the worlds coal within our borders, the demonizing of that natural resource is just one more step in the engineered decline of this country.

     
  • kimknerl posted at 11:29 am on Wed, Dec 5, 2012.

    kimknerl Posts: 286

    JoeIdaho,

    A fact is something that has really occurred or is actually the case. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability, that is whether it can be proven to correspond to experience.

    The FACT here is you have no idea what or who you are talking about. I was there. I know many of the people there. All those I have personal knowledge of are decent, hard-working, tax-paying, average citizens.

     
  • aayupp posted at 11:20 am on Wed, Dec 5, 2012.

    aayupp Posts: 307

    i support the terminal- and coal energy. after all i can not believe the Sierra Club just adores those ugly wind turbines destoying the once beautiful landscape by vantage wa. whatever happen to blending in this type of development into the landscape to make it more natural- like they do with the logging industry and building roads 2 faced greenies. btw- canada is way ahead of this country in developing their resources and sending them westward.

     
  • aayupp posted at 11:10 am on Wed, Dec 5, 2012.

    aayupp Posts: 307

    i support the terminal- and coal energy. after all i can not believe the Sierra Club just adores those ugly wind turbines destoying the once beautiful landscape by vantage wa. whatever happen to blending in this type of development into the landscape to make it more natural- like they do with the logging industry and building roads 2 faced greenies. btw- canada is way ahead of this country in developing their resources and sending them westward.

     
  • aayupp posted at 11:10 am on Wed, Dec 5, 2012.

    aayupp Posts: 307

    i support the terminal- and coal energy. after all i can not believe the Sierra Club just adores those ugly wind turbines destoying the once beautiful landscape by vantage wa. whatever happen to blending in this type of development into the landscape to make it more natural- like they do with the logging industry and building roads 2 faced greenies. btw- canada is way ahead of this country in developing their resources and sending them westward.

     
  • DCIDAHO posted at 9:28 am on Wed, Dec 5, 2012.

    DCIDAHO Posts: 1843

    "Not ONE of those against this has a hard time maknig ends meet, and most al of them do so with either (A plenty of government help or (B) money from Mommy &amp; Daddy."
    Know this for a fact do you?

     
  • DCIDAHO posted at 9:28 am on Wed, Dec 5, 2012.

    DCIDAHO Posts: 1843

    "Not ONE of those against this has a hard time maknig ends meet, and most al of them do so with either (A plenty of government help or (B) money from Mommy & Daddy."
    Know this for a fact do you?

     
  • max power posted at 7:50 am on Wed, Dec 5, 2012.

    max power Posts: 559

    *** Al Gore Announces Solution To Man Made Global Warming ***

    Washington D.C. - Former Vice President, Noble Peace Prize winner, Internet & Global Warming Inventor and Libtard Activist Al Gore announced he has found the solution to the man made global warming crisis.

    He claims that the solution to global warming is global air conditioning.

    Mr. Gore urges all Americans to turn on their air conditioning units, set them at their lowest settings and open up all their doors and windows. This should cool off the planet. Gore went on to state, "it's a matter of science. I've paid three prominent scientists and the air conditioning industry lobbyists to agree that global warming can be reversed, in as little as 30 days, by global air conditioning."

    When ask about the increased energy costs for low income consumers who don't have the money to run their air conditioners for 30 days Mr. Gore replied, " I don't know anything about low income people. You'll have to ask Obama about that. He speaks for the poor, the leeches, the parasites, the freeloaders, the bums and the non-productive dregs of society. I'm sure he can find a way to get them some money through his wealth re-distribution programs."

    Al Gore will be embarking on a 10 city tour promoting global air conditioning. At $150,000 per speech he stands to make a "COOL" $1.5 million...

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 4:49 am on Wed, Dec 5, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Coal=J O B S
    Now, that doesn't matter to the enviro ninnies, but REALITY is that there is work to be done; jobs to be had. Once again, leftists are all too happy to cost America JOBS in order to "preserve the environment".
    FACT:
    Not ONE of those against this has a hard time maknig ends meet, and most al of them do so with either (A plenty of government help or (B) money from Mommy & Daddy.

     
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