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Posted: Wednesday, August 8, 2012 12:15 am | Updated: 11:37 am, Fri Nov 16, 2012.

COEUR d'ALENE - Reflecting on difficulties faced in his career as a doctor, Norman Leffler had a dark prediction on Tuesday night.

"I tell you what's going to happen under Obamacare. Doctors like myself in their 50s and 60s, if doctors are forced to take Medicare and Medicaid kids, they're going to quit, and you're not getting younger doctors coming in," Leffler said, shouting into a microphone in the North Idaho College Student Union. "I advise my kids against going into medicine because of what's going on."

Responding to the Hayden man's words, Idaho's District 1 Rep. Raul Labrador said he hasn't supported the Affordable Care Act, either, because it doesn't address health care costs.

"We need to do whatever we can to reduce the cost of health care," the congressman said.

Complaints and distresses were passionate on Tuesday night at a town hall meeting with Labrador in Coeur d'Alene, which roughly 60 attended. Members of the public spoke of their expectations for immigration reform, fiscal responsibility and kicking the current president out of office.

The new health-care reform was also a heated topic.

Biron Larsen of Coeur d'Alene asked if it was possible to scrap the Affordable Care Act.

"We've got a Supreme Court judge who just said that it's constitutional," he said.

Labrador said it is possible, but not with a method that works quickly.

"Now we can only deal with it at a legislative level," he said. "The way we get rid of Obamacare is by making sure we have a House and Senate who will pass the repeal of Obamacare, and that we have a president who will not veto it."

Jill Jurvelin said she has witnessed an individual lose state child care assistance because of receiving a bonus at work.

"The bonus became a penalty," she said. "Can we get graduated unemployment benefits, so it behooves them, instead of them losing all their benefits when they get a job?"

Labrador agreed the welfare system needs to be remedied.

"That's one of the reasons I ran for Congress, though I don't have an answer for you," he said, adding that he hoped to see states receive block grants to develop their own welfare systems.

He emphasized that the nation's leading problem is its $16 trillion debt.

Cutting spending is the solution, he said, and he criticized other congressmen who have promised not to trim certain programs' funding.

"When people tell me, 'Please don't cut my program,' I say, 'I'm sorry, I'm going to cut your program and I'm going to cut everyone else's program, even if it doesn't get me re-elected,'" he said, garnering applause.

Cheryl Stransky, running for district 2A state rep, asked specifically what he plans to cut.

Labrador said he is a proponent of the proposed "penny plan," that would trim 1 percent of the government every year.

"Within 5 to 10 years, we'd get to a balanced budget," he said.

Labrador expressed frustration when asked about Obama's executive order allowing individuals who immigrated illegally to the U.S. as young children to remain in the country temporarily.

He would like to see a return to the Bracero guest worker program, he said.

Kootenai County resident Donna Montgomery agreed that the program had worked.

"People came and worked, and they didn't bring their children, and they got their money and they left," she said.

Bill Condon expressed his belief that Obama has been acting extra-constitutionally.

"Why can't you bring him up on impeachment?" he asked the congressman.

Pursuing impeachment would be a politically detrimental move at this point, Labrador said, and Republicans are focusing on removing Obama in the November election.

Labrador had elaborated on some politically heated topics earlier on Tuesday, at a visit to The Press office.

A balance of spending cuts and modest tax increases is not what's needed to cut back on the nation's debt, he said.

"The problem is that we have way too much spending," he said. "When you say that what you need to do is both, what you're really saying is you don't want to cut spending."

Labrador criticized the Affordable Care Act for not doing enough to control the cost of health care and how people consume it, and it doesn't create true state health-care exchanges.

"I think everybody should go to health savings accounts," he said.

He said some big businesses are contracting with local providers.

"Not everything in the bill (Affordable Care Act) is a terrible thing," he said. "But the reality is we need to be honest with the American people about what the costs are."

As for the presidential race, Labrador said he'd like to see Wisconsin Congressman Paul Ryan be chosen by Mitt Romney for his vice presidential running mate.

"I think Paul Ryan is probably one of the brightest minds that we have in the Republican party right now," Labrador said. "I would love to see a debate between him and (Vice President Joe) Biden."

He said Romney seems comfortable with Ryan, who understands budgets, Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

"We need forward thinking visionaries who understand the cliff that we're on and how to avoid it," he said. "He's a guy who's probably smarter than most people in Congress, but he doesn't condescend."

He acknowledged that he hasn't taken up a challenge by his Democratic opponent Jimmy Farris to release a decade of his federal tax returns, as Farris has done.

"I don't think it's valuable," Labrador said.

He said a lot of his personal information is released each year, including information on his investments.

"You'll know that I'm one of the poorest guys in Congress," he said. "I think at some point you have to decide that you need to have a little bit of privacy."

At the evening meeting with the public, though, Labrador was encouraging after Spirit Lake resident Steve George accused the congressman of making several times more money than him.

"What you just did and what you're all doing is holding me accountable," Labrador said, adding that he hopes to see the same if Republicans fill the federal branches next year. "What I need you to do is hold me accountable, and make sure I'm doing everything that's necessary to protect this country."

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37 comments:

  • EddieCox posted at 9:48 pm on Fri, Aug 10, 2012.

    EddieCox Posts: 50

    Triumph: Funding for medical research in the US from both private and government sources has been steadily decreasing. Funding was at it's peak thru the 1990's, but started to slow around 2003 and has been going down significantly since about 2007. Gosh, let's think about what was going on around 2003-2007. That was long before the Affordable Care Act was passed, wasn't it? Almost half of the funding came from federal funding, not free enterprise. The US used to 'lead the charge with medical technology and breakthrough' but the operative word here is 'USED' to. We are no longer leading the charge and the AFA has nothing to do with it. Neither does our 'free enterprise system'. The GOP wants to cut spending. Do you really think private industry is going to make up the difference?
    Oh, and btw, you need to look up the definition of socialism. It's clear that you don't know what it is.

     
  • Triumph posted at 11:17 am on Fri, Aug 10, 2012.

    Triumph Posts: 533

    Chouli; Other countries don't lead the charge with medical technology and breakthrough. That'd be us!! We have always been the world leader in development because of the capitalist system that has worked for us for a very long time. If we don't lead the charge, no one will.

     
  • chouli posted at 8:03 am on Fri, Aug 10, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1254

    Why aren't we moving to a NHS system? It's way past time. Other countries have proven it to be a working system. The propaganda from corporate America needs to end.
    HOW do we move in that direction now??

     
  • Why Not posted at 5:39 am on Fri, Aug 10, 2012.

    Why Not Posts: 3676

    GBs NHS is a single payer system, it is similar to Medicare and most people supplement their NHS coverage with private insurance. ACA is a gift to the insurance industry and a whole new department of the government with its own management and its own employees and the power to initiate audits, just like the IRS. So if we have an IRS and we have the CMS, why do we need another flipping program and overlapping agency?

    Why didn't we just fix Medicare and make it similar to NHS? We already pay for the uninsured through premiums and taxes; ACA just transfers those people to publically traded companies who answer to the shareholders, not the users. Think Avista folks.

     
  • Triumph posted at 8:35 am on Thu, Aug 9, 2012.

    Triumph Posts: 533

    Max: Awesome!

    Everyone else who wants to go onto a single govt payer social system consider this..... (If you are capable of considering an opposing opinion) The USA is responsible for just about every major innovation in every category in the past 200 years. Yes, that includes health care. Take away the free market incentive to produce new technology and the innovation will stop. Healthcare development will halt. Do you really want that? Our free enterprise system has developed the free world (and healthcare) as we know it. Take that away, and take away life saving medical progress.

     
  • chouli posted at 8:30 am on Thu, Aug 9, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1254

    Thx Randy. I agree.
    England recently showcased their healthcare system during the opening ceremony to the Olympics. Guess they think a lot of it, huh.
    Americans have been lied to for years and told the other countries have terrible health care when in fact, they have great health care.
    Remove the corporate greed and stop making huge profits from health care.
    And I love your term "Idontcare"...

     
  • chouli posted at 8:24 am on Thu, Aug 9, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1254

    the county?? no, the person owes a bill for say $700 for a visit to the ER because the minor emergency clinc refuses to treat a person if they don't have insurance and they can't pay for their treatment up front. No offers of payments given. You pay up front or you leave. The ER charges are ten times as much but if that's the only option for a sick person...
    No one I know applies to the county. The struggle to pay off the $700 ER bill loses it's priority when money is short and people need to meet just basic living costs, and can't. The bill goes to collection and that person is now unable to get any job that requires a credit check...and so and so and so on...

    The facts are that people are not able to get health care. They can't afford the out of sight costs and mostly they go without. How can this country think that is a good way for it's citizens to be? But let's make sure the health care industry keeps making record profits. Insurance companies, pharma, AMA, doctors that have to earm millions...etc. Corporate America always wins at the expense of the average citizen.

     
  • max power posted at 7:39 pm on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    max power Posts: 559

    *** Congressional Staff Releases First Obamacare Schedule ***

    A Democrap Congressional Staff has released the first of their Obama Healthcare Schedules that will take effect 1 January 2013. Some examples are as follows:

    Childbirth: May only take place on Monday's between 8:00am and 4:00pm (unless the Monday falls on a Federal Holiday) and Wednesday's between 4:00pm and midnight. Females expecting to deliver must check into the hospital 30 minutes prior to their scheduled time. Delivery appointments must be made at least (one) year in advance. Exceptions for pre-mature deliveries must be made in writing to the hospital provider at least four weeks before the unexpected emergency delivery. Women in labor longer than two hours will forfeit their spot and must re-apply for a new delivery appointment.

    Neo-Natal Care: Newborn babies and other small infants needing hospitalization will be permitted only breast milk from their mothers. If the mother is unable to provide breast milk, the infants will be fed from the regular hospital cafeteria main menu. Infants are only permitted (6) diapers and (9) diaper wipes per day, not to exceed (30) diapers and (45) diaper wipes in a one week period. Babies/Infants requesting fresh linens or fabric softener in their bedding will incur added costs and have to make a request in writing to the laundry staff one week prior to admittance.

    Tonsils: This procedure will take place only on Tuesdays between 4:00pm and 7:00pm (after school and before bedtime). Television sets within the hospital will feature Obama propaganda segments from the liberal lame stream "knee-pad" media outlets. Children will be required to recite their ABC's (Almighty Barack Cares) poem that will also be required in all elementary schools starting in 2013. Children having their tonsils removed will no longer receive popsicles. Obama's Fitness Council has determined that popsicles contain sugar and that their manufacture contributes to Global Warming.

    Vasectomies: All vasectomies will be performed on Fridays between 10:00am and 6:00pm. Patients wanting anesthesia (those that can't "take it like a man") will wear a pink backless hospital gowns and receive cartoon character bandages. Only libtard female nurses that support Obama and that weigh in excess of 260 pounds will be allowed on vasectomy days to keep men from having " Natural Reactions"...

     
  • Ziggy posted at 7:37 pm on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    Ziggy Posts: 1045

    Chouli, you are correct. We are already paying for indigent health care. That is why we have no sheriff's protection where I live. Not their fault--all the $ going to indigent health care.
    The scare tactics have to stop. They are ridiculous. A friend of mine said if the new health care rules go into effect we will lose our freedom. Well, I have relatives in Norway and I asked my friend to name one freedom he has that they don't and he was stumped. Couldn't do it.
    And...the poor doc above. Won't get jhis $500,000 a year, won't get to take his entire office staff to Hawaii, won't be able to give the second daughter her $50,000 wedding--all of these were done by local docs. Poor docs. I feel for them.
    There are two books out now, one by a Repub and one by a Demo and both say we have GOT to lower health care costs. The $35 aspirin, the $10,000 emergency visit for a broken arm, this is insane.

     
  • idahoguy posted at 7:29 pm on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    idahoguy Posts: 932

    Dude everything cost less back then...whenever then was. Get over it.

     
  • AnonymousCda posted at 7:03 pm on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    AnonymousCda Posts: 240

    Medical costs, Health Insurance costs, premiums was far more lesser the when rich was far more taxed, an Hospitals was given more support from the Government (subsidized more or less).

     
  • idahoguy posted at 6:04 pm on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    idahoguy Posts: 932

    ;-)

    We pay our way 100% in society unlike so many entitlement illness people....
    We pay for our own insurance, debt free and retired early because of hard work ethics.
    We both were poor once as well.
    We applied the available means at hand and made the grade...why not you?

    We fully support disabled people getting extra help and are happy to contribute as long as an independent group makes the call they are truly disabled. If they get caught on film they are faking it the get executed within 24 hours. Bet some of you think that is not fair that they got caught just...cheating.

    We have minus zero pity for fat gluttons not wanting to work 10-14 hours and day to earn a living. They are hiring at Red Lobster says the sign along the highway. So get a haircut, take a shower, get a job, and get a life. Then buy you own freaking insurance.

    This whole subject is just like all the others you bleeding hearts wanting to spend other people's money to provide for those able to actually work. It gets so old hearing some of you saying the rest of us need to what is right in your eyes. It is our money we earned and we should be allowed to be free to do with it as we see fit...including burning on our front lawn before we hand it over to the likes of some of you....

     
  • Betrayer of Hope posted at 4:37 pm on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    Betrayer of Hope Posts: 113

    You would think by now that the Keynesians would have realized that their government spending strategy does not work. It does not stimulate the economy or create jobs. Apparently empirical evidence is completely lost on them.

     
  • Lakelvr posted at 3:45 pm on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    Lakelvr Posts: 30

    Do you honestly believe that we still will not be paying for ER visits for people without insurance?? That is a pipe dream. There are many people who CHOOSE not to have health care because they CHOOSE not to pay for it. A hospital will take payments as small as $10.00 a month on a bill . Yet many bills go unpaid and the rest of it pay for them. If someone has a true desire to support themselves they would make the effort to do this. However, clearly they don't, or unpaid ER bills would not be an issue being discussed. You really think these people are going to pay for insurance because of ACA?? Reality is their "fee" will be much cheaper than paying for an ER bill or hospital stay. The people who do pay, who do have insurance will STILL be footing the bill for this people. This bill is nothing but a band aid fix to a bullet wound.

     
  • ancientemplar posted at 2:29 pm on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    ancientemplar Posts: 1107

    thanks Chouli, you made my point. The county picks up the tab for unpaid ER trips.

    "he uninsured have to either go to the hospital ER, which is very expensive to say the least, or you go without care."

    You see it is a finance problem Thanks again.

     
  • chilada01 posted at 12:44 pm on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    chilada01 Posts: 153

    I too have read a lot of Idahoguys post and with a attitude like his, all I can say is if he were on fire and I had to go # 1 I would'nt waste it on him.....

     
  • Why Not posted at 12:09 pm on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    Why Not Posts: 3676

    ACA has done three things:

    Opened some people’s eyes to the crisis in medicine, but thus far failed us because most people fail to understand why costs continue to escalate.

    Transfers 25-35 Million uninsured into the insurance pool (not including illegal aliens who cannot be denied treatment), many of these people will still not be able to afford insurance, so this becomes a new public program and benefit with an unknown cost. Currently this cost is paid by those of us who can afford treatment because the cost for those who do not pay is transferred to those who can in the form of higher premiums and higher cost for treatment.

    It rewards the private insurance industry which is for profit enterprise and is for the most part traded publically; therefore earnings drive costs up because shareholders expect higher and higher returns.

    ACA is a massive boondoggle that will bankrupt this country. The money that drove the design of this program came from the insurance industry, not the medical industry. It fails to contain costs because it’s a win-win for insurers. Whatever happened to single payer? Whatever happened to fixing Medicare so that it could work for all who needed but could not afford private insurance? The powers that be swept it under the rug in exchange for massive campaign donations.

    To the poster who seems to believe that Primary Care Physicians are making bank, you are full of it, you don’t know what you are spewing about.

     
  • InThePines posted at 11:01 am on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    InThePines Posts: 146

    New IRS powers included in the ACA per recent Congressional hearing:

    The hearing shed light on the wide scope of information Americans will be forced to provide to government agencies as part of the new healthcare mandate. Under the law, taxpayers will be required to inform the IRS of the following changes in their lives within 30 days: whether or not they have received a pay raise or have changed jobs, their marital status, which family members have moved into or out of the household, and the nature of their employer-paid health care coverage. Rather than once a year tax returns, Americans could be corresponding with the IRS regularly

     
  • Flash Gordon posted at 10:59 am on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    Flash Gordon Posts: 1164

    Ahhhh.....Raul and the budget. If our government were to do what our great representative from the state of Idaho and Grover Norquist advocates we would have almost double the unemployment rate we now have. Look only to Ireland's example of budget cuts and other austerity measures to see where we'd end up. Raul has hurt the economy badly when he rejected the president's job bill.

    Health care.....tort reform and free market purchasing is not the answer nor have they ever been the answer. There needs to be an "accounting" of the mark up for health care services and delivery. A cap on "charges" is a first step is bringing costs under control.

    Insurance companies need to be eliminated from the health care industry all together for obvious reasons. We just had this debate with John Goedde over this issue.

    Medicaid......if states eliminate medicaid for those most in need of health care and other public services Raul and his party will basically have dependent children go without most every thing at a subsistence level of living. It's disgusting and immoral.

     
  • chouli posted at 10:38 am on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1254

    ancient: no, we can't all get it. if you don't have the money to pre-pay and don't have insurance, you don't get an appt and you don't get into the walk in minor emergency clinics. the uninsured have to either go to the hospital ER, which is very expensive to say the least, or you go without care.

     
  • Triumph posted at 10:33 am on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    Triumph Posts: 533

    It's sad to see that there are many who advocate socialism in America. I've always been of the opinion that there are only a few LMYCDA's out there, but maybe not. Maybe the entitlement, and socialist mentality is spreading. Maybe more Americans are starting to want to be taken care of by the government and less interested in individual accomplishment. It's sad to me.

     
  • ancientemplar posted at 10:16 am on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    ancientemplar Posts: 1107

    We don't have a health care problem (yet) what we have is a finance problem. No one in this country is denied health care (yet). We can all get it, the question is who will pay for it? Tort reform and free market purchasing will have a significant impact on it.

     
  • mister d posted at 9:58 am on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    mister d Posts: 1531

    We need health care reform pure and simple. At least Obama did something, right or wrong, he got the ball rolling and discussions started. We will not see a shortage of doctors, there will always be people who want to be doctors and help people without making the mega bucks. I wish doctors cared about patients instead of money like they used to. Doctors and insurance companies are both part of the problem.

     
  • DeNiles posted at 9:38 am on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    How will they wring more healthcare out of what we have today and adequately take care of millions of previously uninsured people? Will the equipment cost less? Will they pay nurses less? Can they simply clone MD's? Nope, none of the above.

    There's no magic healthcare wand. To do what ACA requires to actually run it is going to cost a ton of $$$$$$. We gonna borrow that $$$$$$$? We do not have it now. Oh, that's right there is that tax or fee thingy. So they charge people and businesses for this new cost. Not all the people mind you just those they think can afford it (a moving target no doubt). The gov't removes operating capital from the economy. They remove people choices on how they spend their own money. Less cars sold. Fewer appliances purchased. The gov't dictates that business owners use $$$$$ for the gov't version of healthcare that would otherwise be used for business. No raises. No expansion. New ventures costs 300% more.

    No free lunches. Never has been. You're gonna have a stretched out, over worked health system with no real incentives for people to work in the industry. No incentives for medical research.

     
  • chouli posted at 9:23 am on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1254

    If you haven't watched the documentary by Moore titled "SICKO", please watch it. It's kinda old now but give it a try. It's on Netflix or at video rentals. Or ask a friend fi they have a copy. It's very informative and very enlightening.
    You will laugh and you will cry...
    If you don't get choked up at parts, then you really have no heart.

     
  • idahoguy posted at 8:53 am on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    idahoguy Posts: 932

    Why are you so threatened by free enterprise and freedom of choice? I never said public hospitals have to be closed did I? The people with no insurance but money for other stuff can still go there as far as I am concerned.

    I simply am suggesting an alternative to your ideas with mine. Why are you trying to control the lives of qualified doctors and nurses trying to earn a living so they can affords to feed themselves and buy their own insurance as well?

    Under my plan/suggestion doctors and nurses etc will still be free to work for the govt programs and probably go under or they can still be free to try the private system and probably earn enough to feed themselves and not need govt handouts.

    Is it such a threat to you that some will still find a way to NOT be part of the socialized ways of life but remain free? Free to choose? What are you so scared of...the truth????? This country was founded on freedom of choice and you and others want to take choice away from the medical field.

    In fact if this American solution of ingenuity does take off it could also create it's own insurance pool and become self insured so it has no regulation from big brother. Now that must make you wet your pants...right? No big brother???

    By the way the driver with no insurance needs to go to jail and have their income and or govt benefits attached to pay for all the bills of the person they hit. It is against the law to drive without coverage so they are breaking the law...thus criminals. Look up the definition of criminal by the way

    All this is under the belief of personal accountability...get that drift ???

     
  • idahoguy posted at 8:24 am on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    idahoguy Posts: 932

    Why are you so threatened by free enterprise and freedom of choice? I never said public hospitals have to be closed did I? The people with no insurance but money for other stuff can still go there as far as I am concerned.

    I simply am suggesting an alternative to your ideas with mine. Why are you trying to control the lives of qualified doctors and nurses trying to earn a living so they can affords to feed themselves and buy their own insurance as well?

    Under my plan/suggestion doctors and nurses etc will still be free to work for the govt programs and probably go under or they can still be free to try the private system and probably earn enough to feed themselves and not need govt handouts.

    Is it such a threat to you that some will still find a way to NOT be part of the socialized ways of life but remain free? Free to choose? What are you so scared of...the truth????? This country was founded on freedom of choice and you and others want to take choice away from the medical field.

    In fact if this American solution of ingenuity does take off it could also create it's own insurance pool and become self insured so it has no regulation from big brother. Now that must make you wet your pants...right? No big brother???

    By the way the driver with no insurance needs to go to jail and have their income and or govt benefits attached to pay for all the bills of the person they hit. It is against the law to drive without coverage so they are breaking the law...thus criminals. Look up the definition of criminal by the way ;-)

    All this is under the belief of personal accountability...get that drift ???

     
  • chouli posted at 8:16 am on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1254

    The scare tactics need to end. Did you watch the Olympics openig ceremony? The Brits love their health care system so much they had a National Health Care tribute during their opening ceremony! Many countires have national health care systems and we are lied to by the powers that be who don't want to loose their starngle hold on their big profits.

    Norman Leffler is a disgrace to the medical field if all he is concerned about is the profit margin on medicine. THAT's a big part of what is wrong with the health care field. Health care should not be based on the amount of profit. Does that even need to be stated??

    So, let's hear from the republicans exactly what their plan is to bring health care to ALL citizens. Oh, that's right, they have no alternative plan. They just don't care about those who have no access to health care now. SHAMEFUL...

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 8:05 am on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    LMYCDA Posts: 1598

    Poor DeNiles, he really is one that has some very sad thoughts about taking care of American Citizens. Guess he is just like the rest of the repubs that don't want to share anything. Minimum wage jobs, no benefits, just low paying jobs. No insurance is that what you are saying DeNiles.

    You keep progandaizing that it will cause spirling costs, slower care, worse care, wait in line for health care????? Typical republican/tea bagger scare tatic. Ya know like your girl Palin when she said there is death clause and people like you believed that kook. Please provide proof of those statements or are you just hearing this from Faux News? Just how much more income should these Doctors/FOR PROFIT hospitals get DeNiles? So just throw anyone that can't afford to PAY $800.00 for ER after an accident under the bus? So much for caring for your fellow American citizen.

    And, the enemic recovery is what your party wanted from the day the President was elected. Remeber what your old man McConnel said...his only goal was to make sure President Obama only served one term. Now that is representing the people isn't it. The "Party of No". Obstructionists!! I would call some of the new senators and congressman in the republican party close to being terrorists for doing whatever they can to bring this country to its knees.

    No insurance for those that don't make over $100,000.00 a year. Only those that work for all the governments, city, state, county, federal. Those like Mitt the Twitt, who only cares about keeping his trillions of dollars in off shore accounts, so he does NOT HAVE TO PAY HIS FAIR SHARE IN TAXES. Oops, we really don't know what he has paid, because he won't provide his tax returns. Such a transparent man.

    Deal with it and quit your whining.

     
  • meanie posted at 7:32 am on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    meanie Posts: 80

    Health Care reform needs to happen. Health care no longer exsist because it is a big business now. Between Insurance companies and Doctors and Hospitals it is a very very sad situation. The medical society has flipped some time ago when it became a way to earn money, and the compassion to make those better vanished. What Oath ? There is none. Doctors get into the medical field now to make money as well as hospitals. It's all about the mighty buck. We need to go after the monopoly of the insurance companies. If Obama care continues, the middle class will still suffer, the wealthy have nothing wo worry about and the poor well get medical care easily while middle class still pays. It is what it is. I and my family are middle class , and I don't see any recovery for us. Our premiums go up all the time, To the point of paying out another house payment to get ok health care. And even then it is hard to get it covered by the insurance companies. I want real reform, and it starts with insurance companies. They need to realize it is not a privleage but a right to have it. Especially in this time of our lives. Medicine isn't about how much money you can make, it is about keeping people well. I am not saying those who do their jobs shouldn't be paid money for their service, but really ? 20 bucks for a tooth brush in a hospital is just a tad crazy. I am tired of feeding the machine . And we are about to be punished even more and made to pay no matter what whether it be in premiums or in a tax. That just makes me mad and sick.

     
  • DeNiles posted at 7:04 am on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    And what about lawyers? Can we somehow contain their fees too? And the real estate industry has been running amok since forever. Will the feds please rein them in. Restaurants, can we put a cap on the cost of their meals? Car and homeowners insurance, now thars a world class rip off. Fix it too.

    ACA is idealistic but not realistic and pure suicide for any economic recovery. Being young or being healthy has the side benefit of allowing such people avoid the costs associated with health insurance. Ever work per diem? You get paid more because you decline benefits. ACA removes this option and places the burden primarily on businesses and really does nothing to control actual cost of service. More people will be insured by the existing medical system, with the same service capacity at the same or higher rates. Slower care and worse care (because it will be rushed care). And spiraling costs with taxes and fee burdens collected by the feds. Everybody but the very wealthy will get worse care. Our anemic recovery will get gut punched with mandatory fees. Less new jobs. Job loss through attrition. Increase in cost of all products and services. Lower quality products and services.

    There is only so much $$$$$ and now the ACA has wrested command of 1/3 of our economy. There go your raises. There goes your job. There goes your employers business. And you will get to wait inline for months to get worse healthcare.

    And if you thought this recession has been bad, wait until ACA gets rolling. You ain't seen nothing yet.

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 6:54 am on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    LMYCDA Posts: 1598

    After reading many of idahoguy's posts, would not have expected anything different in his comments. Just throw them under the bus folks.

    So, if someone is hit by a car and that person driving has no insurance and the person that was hit has no insurance, you going to deny them medical care Idahoguy? Your post makes no sense at all.

    Learn to deal with it and that it is law and stop whining.

     
  • idahoguy posted at 6:29 am on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    idahoguy Posts: 932

    I hope for a private medical program where smart Doctors and nurses pool together and offer care to only those who join the..club. In other words modify your health insurance and buy into this group instead. The combined revenue will create a pool of wealth to outfit the needs to treat most concerns. It is like a private membership for health care for those willing and able to afford the dues.

    Does it leave many out? You bet it does... Get over it as well. There are many clubs and organizations which I can not afford to join or I am not interested in or I do not qualify to join up. So what? Does that means they should not exist because I can not be involved? Come on dummy this is the real world here.

    No one gets treatment without paying 100% up front, has their dues paid in full and if they have insurance it is pre-vetted to cover the costs. No means to accept an ambulance either unless it is a member. No free medical help for anyone. No illegals as well :-) It can be done if the group cuts all ties with govt money.

    We need to work together to pull away from the road we are being forced to travel with creative thinking. Doctors are not millionaires either. It is so sad to see some think they are here to serve the mental illness call ed... Entitlement Disorder. Take yourself the the shrink with that problem and bring the cash as well because they need to pay their bills like the rest of us do.

     
  • Veeeee posted at 6:07 am on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    Veeeee Posts: 379

    Since there is so much predicting going on...here is mine: 4 more years with President Obama and the Affordable Care Act will become institutionalized into our system with no chance or repeal. I'm happy about my first prediction and ecstatic about my second. Thank you.

     
  • voxpop posted at 5:48 am on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    voxpop Posts: 738

    "... though I don't have an answer for you.. "

    That's the motto of everyone inside the Beltway. It explains it all. Republicans want to take everything away from the people who work hard and give it to themselves and business. Democrats want to take everything away from the people who work hard and give to themselves and those who expect a handout. We desperately need a flat tax where EVERYONE pays their share - absolutely no deductions. No more 50% of the population on welfare and no more companies which make billions and pay no taxes. Nothing else will save us.

     
  • ShinyRockDale posted at 5:04 am on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    ShinyRockDale Posts: 26

    Cong. Labrador has GOT to be kidding when he says,

    "As for the presidential race, Labrador said he'd like to see Wisconsin Congressman Paul Ryan be chosen by Mitt Romney for his vice presidential running mate.

    "I think Paul Ryan is probably one of the brightest minds that we have in the Republican party right now," Labrador said. "I would love to see a debate between him and (Vice President Joe) Biden."

    He said Romney seems comfortable with Ryan, who understands budgets, Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

    "We need forward thinking visionaries who understand the cliff that we're on and how to avoid it," he said. "He's a guy who's probably smarter than most people in Congress, but he doesn't condescend.""

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 4:55 am on Wed, Aug 8, 2012.

    LMYCDA Posts: 1598


    Norman Leffler had a dark prediction on Tuesday night.

    "I tell you what's going to happen under Obamacare. Doctors like myself in their 50s and 60s, if doctors are forced to take Medicare and Medicaid kids....

    What a fine upstanding doctor you must be, NOT. Typical though of those that don't have to worry about health care and coming from a Doctor, that is even more pitiful.

    Don't worry Doc, you won't lose that million dollar a year income, don't worry. If I remember right, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE MEDICARE PATIENTS RIGHT NOW, so what are you talking about fine upstanding Doctor? I know many doctors that don't take Medicare or Medicaid patients. Just another scare tatic.

     
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