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Posted: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 12:15 am

COEUR d'ALENE - Following emphatic discussion on Tuesday evening, the Kootenai County Republican Central Committee approved a resolution decrying the county's drafting of new development ordinances and calling on the commissioners for change.

The resolution, which passed 42 to 2, states that the consultant helping write the Unified Land Use Code is proposing regulations that will "violate Idaho Code and affect property rights."

To be passed on to the county commissioners, the document calls on the officials to follow state law and avoid unnecessary restrictions on property use. It also requests the commissioners give notice to every affected property owner, and provide regional public hearings for review of the code and a chance to propose alternatives.

"If this is being proposed, all we want to do is say 'county commissioners, you must follow the law,'" said Leah Southwell, a member of the public who urged the KCRCC to pass the resolution at the meeting.

Many at Tuesday's meeting at the county administration building complained that the county has poorly advertised the rewrite and related meetings, offering few opportunities to participate.

"You can go into the website and participate on a line-by-line basis," said KCRCC member Courtenay Ellison, speaking of, where the draft is posted. "But as far as objections, there's no opportunity."

Some hoped to see the county mail out notices about the code, on top of holding hearings.

Barry McHugh, KCRCC member and county prosecutor, voted against the resolution.

The document might be demanding what is already planned, McHugh said, as he believes the county intends to hold public hearings on the land use code.

He further questioned the resolution's accusation that the ULUC would violate state code.

"None of the information I've been provided with has indicated when that would happen or why that would happen," McHugh said.

Others felt differently.

Brent Regan, a member of the public at the meeting, said the county's consultant, Kendig Keast Collaborative, might not follow property rights protection laws adopted in 1995.

"If they want to choose to ignore it, fine, and if they want to go to court and lose, fine. But we're the citizens," Regan said, urging the public to take a stand. "We're Republicans. It's a republic. We believe in laws."

Regional hearings are necessary, Regan added, because the draft is constantly updated online.

"I don't want to pass it to find out what's in it," he said.

Southwell added that the ULUC could violate state law by changing zoning so properties can't be subdivided, which she identified as government "taking" of individuals' properties.

"That is not protecting our rights," she said.

KCRCC member Sharon Culbreth objected to an out-of-state consultant aiding in the rewrite.

"Every city, every state has a different personality. How can a man from Florida and Colorado come here and tell us how to run our place?" Culbreth said, referring to KKC employee Todd Messenger. "Mr. Messenger likes rules and regulations. Kind of like a dictator and someone called Obama."

The ULUC is being written to implement the county Comprehensive Plan adopted in 2010, which stands as a development guide for the county. The new code will also update old ordinances.

Opposition to the resolution also came in a proxy vote from KCRCC member and former county Commissioner Rick Currie, who was absent from the meeting.

In a letter to the KCRCC, Currie said that when he and other commissioners were drafting the Comprehensive Plan, responses to invitations of public participation was "spotty at best."

"To come in at the last moment does not play well," he wrote.

The resolution could send a message of how divided the Republican party is, Currie added.

He also cautioned against moving forward without all the information.

"You do need to hear from all sides," he wrote.

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  • Why Not posted at 5:23 pm on Thu, Jul 12, 2012.

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    Floorist, not that this issue can solve the inequality you describe in Hayden, but the lack of uniform code is why we have that kind of nonsense.

  • the floorist posted at 8:19 am on Thu, Jul 12, 2012.

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    Hayden city gave the "Hayden Canyon" developers a whole laundry list of reasons for denying that sub-division, but it didn't dissuade them from trying. Eventually the city ok'd the project.

    This is just one example of our leadership doing their job. Now, red-tagging Suzie's remodel of the Spanardo's building off Miles ave. and Gov't Way and green-lighting the competition's remodel across the street (Suzie's old bar/restaurant) is a prime example of the abuse that cities use against people. I don't know the name of nor care what moved into Suzie's former leased location, but I do know Gary lost the deed after his divorce, Suzie's lease was terminated and now she has a law suit with Hayden pending.

    I guess what I'm driving at is the fact that nothing will change with respect to P&Z and each city's way of permitting things. Hayden has just about priced themselves out of the market for new inequality at impact fees for developers that's misdirected at simple residents. Commercial fees in Hayden are astronomical enough without more steering committees and ULUC codes...

  • Catching_Fire posted at 7:25 pm on Wed, Jul 11, 2012.

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    Thanks for mentioning the APA (American Planning Association) bootcamp. We actually found the first two webinars of the APA bootcamp and posted them on the website, under the Articles, Videos, and Resources page at: . We believe there were 12 sessions in total.

    After doing a little research and finding that the Idaho APA actually put on this bootcamp: , we emailed Scott Clark, our Director of Community Planning, to see if him or anyone in the department attended these APA boot camps. We never heard back from him.

    We also asked if our Community Planning Department had the Growing Smart Legislative Guidebook: Model Statutes for Planning and the Management of Change. It contains blueprints, sample legislations, ordinances, rules, regulations and statutes to be incorporated into the General Plans of every single city and county in the United States. We also asked if this guide was used in anyway in the writing of our Comprehensive Plan and ULUC. We are thinking about submitting a public records request for this information.

  • Why Not posted at 6:50 pm on Wed, Jul 11, 2012.

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    @ JoeI

    1- I am local, not from California, but I did attend university there.

    2- I sincerely doubt that you have read the draft proposal. Put it this way Joe. You are my neighbor and I decide that on my land I'm opening up a motocross track and holding public events twice a month April through September. Do you still think it's my right to wreck your peace and obstruct the roadway with excess traffic?

    Currently we have planning department officials sticking a finger in the air to make decisions on planning that should be dictated by a uniform code. There's no consistency and it takes people month’s lots of money to get projects approved or disapproved. This is not about your rights, is about consistency and fairness. In one situation a well heeled developer graded a slope above the lake without proper hydrologic engineering. The situation now is that the slope is sliding down on to homes below this high end development, is this fair Joe? Is it stupidity or was it just money talks?

    Stop talking out of your lower right cheek joe and try to understand the reasons behind uniform code. It's the responsibility of the government to protect the rights of all citizens. As the variation of the famous Abe Lincoln quote goes: You can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

  • inclined posted at 6:45 pm on Wed, Jul 11, 2012.

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    If modernity is to acknowledge the time and place that we live in, then it must acknowledge the reality of spending and debt. If Progressivism means planning and doing now for the future, then it must acknowledge the reality of spending and debt pragmatically, before expediency.

    Just as we saw in the park project, this Comprehensive Plan, Land Use Code, is hardly an example of enlightened consumerism, or an environmental, economical ethics based mandate. This is a gross presumption of what is sustainable, in the days ahead. This is about burden. It could very well be, that Progressivism is about piling on, dumping, burying us in regulations and restrictions. It most certainly seems it is about destroying the possibilities of our children and grandchildren to know the liberties that were ours.

    I have been checking into the American Planning Association propaganda and saw that they had put out a seminar on how to handle us(you and me).

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    "There is nothing", according to Blackstone in his Commentaries on the Laws of England, "which so generally strikes the imagination, and engages the affections of mankind, as the right of property; or that sole and despotic dominion which one man claims and exercises over the external things of the world, in total exclusion of the right of any other individual in the universe. And yet there are very few that will give themselves the trouble to consider the original and foundation of this right.”

    O, I know. There is the obvious. Organizing a city, a county, is required by law--the Plan. And if there was little to support a backdrop of agendas, exactly(if you are one of the few that will give themselves the trouble to dig and discover), it would be to think how d.amn easy, while I'm home on my deck, enjoying the summer, enjoying a fine brew, chilled with droplets on the bottle, how wonderful all this planning, all this regimentation, this organizing, this order, and forget that we are in a most
    deplorable of days. It is most despicable to carry on like we are animals in boxes, going here and there.

  • rationaldiscussionplz posted at 12:27 pm on Wed, Jul 11, 2012.

    rationaldiscussionplz Posts: 266

    "You do need to hear from all sides," Rick Currie wrote.

    Oh really?

  • Justin Cottrell posted at 11:23 am on Wed, Jul 11, 2012.

    Justin Cottrell Posts: 157

    2 Neigh votes: Barry McHugh and Rick Currie (via proxy-meister Duane Rasmussen). Is anyone surprised? Barry would never cross his fellow members of the cabal, and Currie is tight with the controlling elitists as well.

    Some great conversation last night, many great things said by most everyone. Hat tip to Sharon Culbreth, she said what needed to be said, and didn't hold back.

  • 3Cheers posted at 10:05 am on Wed, Jul 11, 2012.

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    42-2. Yep, that's pretty divided.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 8:14 am on Wed, Jul 11, 2012.

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    What if I DO use MY land for an "aircraft landing zone", whynot?
    It's MY LAND.
    YOU think you have some idiotic way of having control over what I do with MY land.
    Go BACK to Cali.....

  • JoeIdaho posted at 8:13 am on Wed, Jul 11, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    What's ridiculous is how people like "whynot" are ALL ABOUT TAKING people's rights, across the board, property rights, individual rights, gun rights, speech rights, just a bunch of communists.
    The entire new zoning "package" is a debacle, BAD for rural residents of all sorts & kinds.

  • Why Not posted at 6:25 am on Wed, Jul 11, 2012.

    Why Not Posts: 5272

    Ridiculous - you Republicans are conspiracy mongering and wasting the publics time and money. Everyone should spend time on and learn about the process. The Zoning Plus feature is excellent and a time saving feature of Kendig Keast that makes access simple and available to every citizen with Internet access. I am satisfied after reading the draft that there is absolutely no conspiracy and no intent to infringe on your property rights. That is unless of course you are okay with your neighbor using their property for unconventional purposes, like say an aircraft landing zone.

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