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BSU professor spent 10 months analyzing impact on water source

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Posted: Saturday, July 17, 2010 12:00 am

Maybe you think climate change is a bunch of hooey, or that it only impacts polar bears.

But some like Dr. Venkataramana Sridhar think it will affect resources a little closer to home.

Like our drinking water.

The assistant professor of civil engineering at Boise State University has recently completed a study on how climate change will impact the Rathdrum-Prairie Aquifer over the next 50 years.

"There are no questions about these changes. It's going to happen," said Sridhar, who will be presenting his study on Monday at the Coeur d'Alene Public Library. "We are now looking to see how we can adapt and modify and mitigate these impacts."

Sridhar discovered a range of potential effects global warming will have on the aquifer in his 10-month study, which included analyzing global climate models and a hydrology model.

"We look at rainfall, time magnitude of snow melt, variability in water balance components, soil moisture and recharge," he said.

He has predicted several different scenarios, ranging from conservative to extreme.

Temperature at the aquifer, for instance, could increase between .31 to .4 degrees celsius per decade.

"You see a big range of variability, but all of them (the possible scenarios) show that there is a trend in increase," Sridhar said.

His study also predicts between 4 and 5 percent increase in precipitation, or roughly an extra inch a year - which might be melted away by the temperature change, he acknowledged.

The snow melt timing is also predicted to shift, with the peak melt occurring in April instead of May.

That could cause changes in hydrological flows, Sridhar said.

"We're talking about high flows that might be higher than historically high flows. Low flows might be lower or the same as seen today," he said.

There will also be increased magnitude of stream flows, he said, and a change in the recharge pattern.

Locals will have to adapt, he said.

"If we can see a way to save and store the melt that's happening and make it available to the growing season for the low flow season, I think that's going to really help alleviate the problems," he said.

The Idaho Department of Water Resources hired Sridhar to conduct the study as part of its new program, CAMP, the Comprehensive Aquifer Management Plan.

The state will use studies like Sridhar's to prepare for potential water management issues down the road, said Helen Harrington, manager of the IDWR water planning section.

"It (climate change) is not really an issue of concern, so much as being sure you're planning for a range of potential changes that could occur," Harrington said. "If there's a potential change in precipitation, the temperature can affect both supply and demand on crops. If we look at what that range of change may be, we can look at how to address that, and in 10 years we can revisit that and say, 'Well, was that forecasting on the mark, or do we need to adjust some of these strategies?'"

Regardless of what happens, she added, the state wants to be prepared for a crisis before it occurs.

"Water is the lifeblood of Idaho," she said. "The Rathdrum Prairie aquifer groundwater resources provides drinking water for the region. It's critical. You have to have that water to exist."

Bill Irving, president of the Coeur d'Alene chapter of the Climate Change Action Network, said the presentation will be interesting to everyone, whether or not they put stock in climate change.

"It's historic. There has never been a 50-year perspective on something as important as this, our aquifer," Irving said. "I just think it's well worth people's time to hear his presentation and ask questions. We're talking about not just now, but your kids' and grandkids' futures."

Sridhar has a Ph.D in biosystems engineering, a master's degree in water/irrigation engineering and management, and a bachelor's in agricultural engineering. He is a registered civil engineer.

The presentation is scheduled for 10:45 a.m. in the Community Room of the Coeur d'Alene Public Library.

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  • RadRevD posted at 4:26 pm on Sun, Jul 25, 2010.

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    Over 4.5 billion people could die from Global Warming related causes by 2012, as planet Earth accelarates into a greed-driven horrific catastrophe.

    ( http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/hmmmmm-over-45-billion-people-could-die-from-global-warming-related-causes-by-2012-so-do-you-agr/question-1021155/?page=2 )

     
  • RadRevD posted at 5:46 am on Fri, Jul 23, 2010.

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    World leaders of the calibre of the bildebergers aren't even buying into the Global Warming scam anymore:

    ( http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=181285 )

    Corsi noted, "Among these topics, 'global cooling' jumps out, suggesting that perhaps among the world's elite there is beginning to be a tacit admission that the science behind the theory of anthropogenic global warming caused by carbon-dioxide emissions was always and is now nothing more than junk science."

    Our aquifer could increase 1/2 a degree or it could decrease 1/2 a degree. For the past 100 years, we forgot to take it's temperature...what's it supposed to be?

     
  • Humanist posted at 11:16 am on Thu, Jul 22, 2010.

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    JW: Yeah, you learned how to be even more of a bigot than you were already. Sweet.

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 4:07 pm on Wed, Jul 21, 2010.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969

    awww, And I learned so much. This thread has been in discussion now on Facebook and I am considering creating a FB page for discussion and warning those like me that where blissfully ignorant of this Humanist religion.

     
  • RadRevD posted at 3:35 pm on Wed, Jul 21, 2010.

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    Enjoy running hard from the teachings and intents of your 20th Century Founding Fathers.
    I'm confident that the Thinkers smile broadly when your name comes to mind.

     
  • Humanist posted at 2:59 pm on Wed, Jul 21, 2010.

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    RadRevD and Jeffrey Wherley, two peas in a pod. You guys enjoying your mutual stroking?

    You guys are so insanely clueless about non-religious people. I suppose that is why you all feel the need to "congregate" based on your shared delusions so that you have somewhere to fit in since you obviously have a huge amount of distaste for those who do not believe in your god.

    I've wasted way too much time trying to objectively and rationally explain something that is being subjectively and emotionally interpreted with supernatural and god hued glasses. I have learned that either people have the capacity to use critical thinking, logic and reason or they don't. I don't understand why some people simply do not have that capacity, but it's just the way that some people are. You guys both fall into that category and I'm obviously not going to be able to alter your brain chemistry so that you can think properly.

    I think I'll spend my time somewhere else where it has some meaning: doing good with my wife and 5 little heathens.

    Have fun boys.

     
  • RadRevD posted at 2:40 pm on Wed, Jul 21, 2010.

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    Hey JW...
    I've been studying and exposing their lies since 1980. My angst during my years overseas with the navy began to make sense. The world system does not want free-thinkers unless they have been carefully programmed for NWO loyalty. An early study in politics included Plato's Republic. until Jesus returns...
    There will always be self-appointed thinkers.
    There will always be those appointed to govern.
    There will always be huddled, enslaved masses.

    Sometimes referred to as social engineering, the goal of politicians is to entrench their Strategy of Rule. They and the municipal workers are the governors/providers. They will always get a second helping from the tax fund to satisfy their heart's desires. The shelter the Thinkers from discovery and attack.

    It is ironic that modern Utopians cannot see the attached strings of the Thinkers. Even with $$$Billions in the bank, they never have enough. The federal Reserve is able to pull the needle out a bit for three years plus with their 0% bank lending rate because they are skimming millions in interest daily off the Federal Government. They don't care where it comes from as long as they get lots.

    Detractors to the Truth will abound for that is what they are trained to do. It's pointless to argue with them. They have a one track mind that is psychologically incapable of even questioning the authority over them.

    The attack upon our way of life is multi-faceted. The following links may amuse you, but they are by no means shallow. Socialism is a well-thought-out counterfeit of God's Kingdom. It has just enough truth to be believable. It points out the inconsistencies of man's endeavor to establish the perfect society for Jesus to return to. Even the financial reforms Obama signed today are not his. They were introduced by Sonny Bush in May of 2008 as linked below at MSNBC. We are entering the miserable years as America falls.


    http://www.cdapress.com/app/community/blogs/read.php?entry_id=997
    What Is In The Best Interests Of The Child
    Programming one generation at a time.


    http://www.cdapress.com/app/community/blogs/read.php?entry_id=486
    Al's Hot Air Forced God to Cool the Earth...AL SURE IS FULL OF HIMSELF!


    http://www.cdapress.com/app/community/blogs/read.php?entry_id=822
    Rick Warren Lies In Attempt To Sanctify Obama's Citizenship


    http://www.cdapress.com/app/community/blogs/read.php?entry_id=625
    Will You Escape Lucifer's One World Government and Emergent Church, Summer 2008?
    an excerpt: my last entry:
    Apr 01, 2008 - 11:29 AM
    important news for all free enterprise advocates: What do you think of the proposed Federal Reserve powers in relation to Philip Freneau's claims that we are headed for a Monarchy?

    Mar 31, 2008 - MSNBC - ( http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23880336/ )
    Pres. Bush' Financial Rules Overhaul Plan "would give the Federal Reserve more power to protect the stability of the entire financial system while merging day-to-day bank supervision into one agency, down from five at present.
    It also would create one super agency in charge of business conduct and consumer protection, performing many of the functions of the current Securities and Exchange Commission.
    It would, in addition, ask Congress to establish a federal Mortgage Origination Commission to set recommended minimum licensing standards for mortgage brokers, many of whom now operate outside of federal regulation, and it would also take a first step toward federal regulation of the insurance industry by asking Congress to establish an Office of Insurance Oversight inside the Treasury Department."

    Does this seem like the perfect means to finalize our nation's transition from a Limited Republican Government into an Unlimited Hereditary One

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 8:47 am on Wed, Jul 21, 2010.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969

    RadRevD, did you know about this stuff before now? The further I dig and read he stuff your find too. This is the most Shallow minded, and self Righteous stuff I have ever seen. Was this originally the american version of Nazi/marxism? It seems to be a political movement, that draws it's followers from the amoral's and youth of society.

    Am I reading this right?

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 7:27 am on Wed, Jul 21, 2010.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969

    "* We need to contribute to our fellow man in need."

    . What you are talking about is again forcing all men to contribute to the government so they can give out money in a cookie cutter fashion again. Which will leave some needing more and some with more than they need. This is not charity, it is governed Theft

    This is why we give to the church so the church can find those in need and give them help without stigma or embarrassment. To give willingly for others is charity freely given.

     
  • RadRevD posted at 6:13 am on Wed, Jul 21, 2010.

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    "Our humanly intrinsic goodness has zero to do with any ruler."


    There will always be a head honcho or a ruling class....even in Christ's Kingdom. It is the character of that RULE over mankind - over the universe - that makes all the difference.

    Humanist...do you really honestly believe if every human living adopted your Manifesto that the world would be peaceful with 100% of the collective in control?

    In my decades of study of mankind, both inside and outside the 'institutional church', I conclude it is man's innate character to dominate. Someone or some group will maintain RULE over your utopia just as they did over every failed socialist experiment to date.

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 1:48 am on Wed, Jul 21, 2010.

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    And one other thing on the sexual perversion part. No one can or would ever take away any human rights. Rights are given by god for what you are, not what you do. Any Right that government gives, can be taken away, and they are no right. Marriage is a biblical thing, it has been adopted by governments but a government can never tell me my marriage before god is gone, and they can never make me acknowledge a marriage that god does not condone. So it really doesn't matter to me what the government does or doesn't do. Marriage is before god and between a man and a woman. These are things that have destroyed government after government, when they try to destroy or install a faith they never win.

    Your self-deluded weakened mind just can't acknowledge your struggle is futile.
    Governments and people have tried for thousands of years to try to kill god and turn Faith onto them, What make you think this will be any different, I am not even a Christian that you would recognize, I believe in the trinity and evolution. You should find me easier to turn than the normal Christian. And all you have done is make me even more sure of my faith.

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 12:32 am on Wed, Jul 21, 2010.

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    "After their birth it's their action (what they do) that makes everyone different and if everyone is treated the same in a cookie cuter fashion, Helps only the few that fit that narrow mold, give more to those that need less and doesn't give enough to those that need more. Treating as Equal is a disservice to all, because the ones that get to much will learn to expect it and the ones that get to little will find illegal ways to get what the need."

    Doesn't make sense if you take it out of context, was that on purpose, again?

    I hate to cut and paste so much but when you conveniently omit half of the meaning, "If everyone is treated in a cookie cutter fashion", you change the whole statement. Everybody, no matter how you want to think we all are the same, are different. If you treat everyone the same you are insulting some and degrading others. This is human nature and nothing will change it. You can never make everyone happy, so any universal treatment is a insult to someone. That is why Utopia will never be found, that was lost with the garden of eden.

    I know sometimes I wish I had my rib back too. Oops that would be a sexist statement, but funny.

    Nope your Golden rule is the same as you have said from the beginning of the discussion, but cannot be verified by either of your manifesto's. So maybe this is one of your Changes on the fly to make it more palatable when you are found to be intolerable?

    Sexuality, you will never win this one if not on theological ground, on the ground that same sex intercourse is naturally repulsive to people and your perversions will never be accepted no matter what laws you pass. This is a mental disorder found in under .5% of the worlds population (brian scans found disformities to prove birth defects, in 1992, in homosexuals, then lost it when they found that argument had a problem, received pity instead of acceptability). The rest are just self-gratifying perverts. That is what the purged 1992 American medical journal report stated. If you are one of the few birth defects I pity you, and would like to help find a cure. If not, keep it in the bedroom I really don't care what you do. I just won't watch if God decides to interfere again.

    You just don't seem to have the intellect to see the futility of your agenda. Your feeble arguments and games with misquotes and out of context statements just won't work here. They work well when you can talk fast enough but in text people can double check facts.

    But keep trying, you are probable allowing me to sway more people this way than ever on a one on one. LOL

    Some of these area's I have really talked about in 20 years or so.

     
  • Humanist posted at 10:30 pm on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    Quote JW: "Do onto others, as you would have them do onto you."

    Well, I thought what I was conveying the same thing but did not say it very well. I apologize for that. I meant the universally humanly intrinsic Golden Rule.

    Quote JW: regarding sexuality: That is something you DO not what you are and deserve nothing in way of human rights."

    Sorry pal, but we can argue this one to death and still never agree. Sexuality is clearly something that people are born with. Either you prefer people of the same sex or you don't. Intrinsic. Regardless, whether you think that someone "chooses" to be LGBT or was born with it, their sexual preferences should never diminish their rights as a human being. Their rights are the same as anyone elses and to argue anything else is pure bigotry. Using your logic, since you're heterosexual (I assume), you are choosing that and should have no right to impose that your choice is the only choice that should allow marriage. And, since it's just a choice, there is nothing wrong with anyone elses choice. Right?

    Shall I go on?

    Quote JW: "Treating as Equal is a disservice to all, because the ones that get to much will learn to expect it and the ones that get to little will find illegal ways to get what the need. "

    What? That makes no sense. What part of EQUAL don't you understand? There is no concept of more or less if you are treating everyone as equals.

    Quote RRD: ".......until the new ruler comes to town."

    Our humanly intrinsic goodness has zero to do with any ruler. Also, thanks very much for posting portions of the Manifesto. It will give others an opportunity to see how reasonable it is.

     
  • RadRevD posted at 9:34 pm on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    We are good for the right reasons - good for goodness sake.

    .......until the new ruler comes to town.
    He'll make a new list - check us over twice.
    Gonna approve who's worthy and who is to die.
    New ruler is coming to town!


    an excerpt from a Humanist that likes HMIII (version #3) btw...where is it???

    ( http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Critical+commentary+on+Humanist+Manifesto+III-a0104971392 )
    Looks like they had to tone #2 down further for George's liking!

    "it reminds me of a criticism of Humanist Manifesto II
    expressed by the late Ethical Culture Leader George Beauchamp, which I feel applies as well to Humanist Manifesto III. I once told a group with whom George was visiting at my home that he was the only person I knew who had never lost his temper. He responded that I was wrong--there was in fact one such occasion, when he had been so angered by the totally secular, even anti-religious, tone of Humanist Manifesto II that he tore up his American Humanist Association membership card and resigned. "


    ( http://midwesthumanistconference.com/humanist-manifesto-iii/ )

    Humanist Manifesto III
    From Humanism and its Aspirations:
    Humanism is a progressive philosophy of life that, without supernaturalism, affirms our ability and responsibility to lead ethical lives of personal fulfillment that aspire to the greater good of humanity.
    The lifestance of Humanism—guided by reason, inspired by compassion, and informed by experience—encourages us to live life well and fully. It evolved through the ages and continues to develop through the efforts of thoughtful people who recognize that values and ideals, however carefully wrought, are subject to change as our knowledge and understandings advance.

    This document is part of an ongoing effort to manifest in clear and positive terms the conceptual boundaries of Humanism, not what we must believe but a consensus of what we do believe. It is in this sense that we affirm the following:

    Knowledge of the world is derived by observation, experimentation, and rational analysis. Humanists find that science is the best method for determining this knowledge as well as for solving problems and developing beneficial technologies. We also recognize the value of new departures in thought, the arts, and inner experience—each subject to analysis by critical intelligence.

    Humans are an integral part of nature, the result of unguided evolutionary change. Humanists recognize nature as self-existing. We accept our life as all and enough, distinguishing things as they are from things as we might wish or imagine them to be. We welcome the challenges of the future, and are drawn to and undaunted by the yet to be known.

    #6...Ethical values are derived from human need and interest as tested by experience. Humanists ground values in human welfare shaped by human circumstances, interests, and concerns and extended to the global ecosystem and beyond. We are committed to treating each person as having inherent worth and dignity, and to making informed choices in a context of freedom consonant with responsibility.

    Life’s fulfillment emerges from individual participation in the service of humane ideals. We aim for our fullest possible development and animate our lives with a deep sense of purpose, finding wonder and awe in the joys and beauties of human existence, its challenges and tragedies, and even in the inevitability and finality of death. Humanists rely on the rich heritage of human culture and the lifestance of Humanism to provide comfort in times of want and encouragement in times of plenty.

    Humans are social by nature and find meaning in relationships. Humanists long for and strive toward a world of mutual care and concern, free of cruelty and its consequences, where differences are resolved cooperatively without resorting to violence. The joining of individuality with interdependence enriches our lives, encourages us to enrich the lives of others, and inspires hope of attaining peace, justice, and opportunity for all.

    Working to benefit society maximizes individual happiness. Progressive cultures have worked to free humanity from the brutalities of mere survival and to reduce suffering, improve society, and develop global community. We seek to minimize the inequities of circumstance and ability, and we support a just distribution of nature’s resources and the fruits of human effort so that as many as possible can enjoy a good life.

    Humanists are concerned for the well being of all, are committed to diversity, and respect those of differing yet humane views. We work to uphold the equal enjoyment of human rights and civil liberties in an open, secular society and maintain it is a civic duty to participate in the democratic process and a planetary duty to protect nature’s integrity, diversity, and beauty in a secure, sustainable manner.

    Thus engaged in the flow of life, we aspire to this vision with the informed conviction that humanity has the ability to progress toward its highest ideals. The responsibility for our lives and the kind of world in which we live is ours and ours alone.

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 8:50 pm on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    "* We believe in tolerance and that all people should be treated as equals and have the exact same human rights regardless of their race, religion, sexuality or gender."

    I think that first one shows your level of tolerance, but for treating all people Equal? All men (proverbial) are created equal. After their birth it's their action (what they do) that makes everyone different and if everyone is treated the same in a cookie cuter fashion, Helps only the few that fit that narrow mold, give more to those that need less and doesn't give enough to those that need more. Treating as Equal is a disservice to all, because the ones that get to much will learn to expect it and the ones that get to little will find illegal ways to get what the need.

    We already covered your sexuality misconception, That is something you DO not what you are and deserve nothing in way of human rights.

    More? after I go get a beer? I have driven 700 miles today and need a break.

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 8:09 pm on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    "* We believe in being good to others and that others should treat us in kind. THE GOLDEN RULE."
    Not anywhere near The golden rule.
    Do onto others, as you would have them do onto you.---- major difference. Yours demands other will treat you as you treat them. That must leave you disappointed allot. Where the Golden Rule tells me too treat others as I hope they would treat me, but not to expect it in return. I am never disappointed, because I always accept them as they come.

    should I continue?

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 7:59 pm on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    I didn't judge you. You sent me to a site that would explain your principles and intentions and it explained you had none. Without morals (principles) or convictions (intentions) that is what makes up your character. Now your already changing and sending me to another site. Hopefully with this one I will find something that at least you are human,

    As much research as I have had yo do on your theology, manifesto or whatever it turns out to be, I should know more than it's never the same from person to person, and moment to moment. I do hope there is more to it.

     
  • Humanist posted at 7:46 pm on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    Quote JW: "To know Evil is how you defeat it. I will pray for you again tonight."

    So, what does that mean? You must first sin (know evil) before not sinning? What kind of logic is that? Why is religion a requirement in your mind for all people to defeat evil? Some people defeat evil via religion, some people defeat evil without it. To each their own.

    You can certainly pray for me, but it is meaningless to me. You may be interested in this article:

    Click here for "Thank Goodness!"

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 7:19 pm on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    "adamantly and hatefully arguing " I don't even know you how could I hate you. Personally, My horror and curiosity of you has past, and only pity and humor remains. To know Evil is how you defeat it. I will pray for you again tonight.

     
  • Humanist posted at 7:16 pm on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    Quote JW: "So your principles are any and none, and
    your intentions are any and none."

    This conversation is getting pretty tough for you, isn't it? It requires some serious, objective, unbiased thought on your part and you are proving that you are incapable of that.

     
  • Humanist posted at 7:13 pm on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    Quote JW: "You have no morals, no convictions, and that leaves you with no character."

    Maybe you'll learn a bit about people like me before we're done here. I sure hope so.

    You chastise others for being judgmental while you do the same? No character? How can you possibly assume that we have no morals? That is asinine. Here's some affirmations about me and people like me:

    * We believe in being good to others and that others should treat us in kind. THE GOLDEN RULE.
    * We believe that meaning in life can be brought by being good. I personally, live my life for my family and friends and am selfless and giving.
    * We believe in tolerance and that all people should be treated as equals and have the exact same human rights regardless of their race, religion, sexuality or gender.
    * We believe that we have only this one, short life to live so we better do as much good as we can while we're here.
    * We need to be stewards of our planet earth and treat it well so that future generations of humans and other life can enjoy it.
    * We need to contribute to our fellow man in need.

    Here's a good web site that describes where Humanists derive their morals. I sorta doubt that you'll read it since you're so against this topic that you know nothing about, but what the heck, here it is: http://www.freeinquiry.com/humanists-meaning.html

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 7:00 pm on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    A manifesto is a public declaration of principles and intentions, often political in nature.

    So your principles are any and none, and
    your intentions are any and none.

    ROFLMAO

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 6:54 pm on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    Don't worry yourself, now I am going to have to finish that useless piece of dung, if nothing else just to find out the depths of your self-delusion.. Since you seem to think it means something. You must have skipped the preface, or just didn't understand it's meaning.

     
  • Humanist posted at 6:54 pm on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    Quote JW: "Why should I even waste my time going past the preface? "

    Because any open-minded, reasonable, objective person who is adamantly and hatefully arguing against something should probably understand the subject matter of what they're arguing against. Or, are you afraid that it might actually be reasonable and then you'll have to reassess your opinions? I know, it's a scary thought for folks like you. Come on. I'm waiting for objective analysis from you on what the Manifesto(s) say.

    And, any reasonable person would accept the notion that if it's not working then we should revisit it and rework it. Or, revise it as we know more or as society changes. Why do you feel like "the rules" have to be set in ancient stone and that all of mankind must abide by them? That was then, this is now.

    Quote: "Was this a trick test? Where is the manifesto? because that is nothing."

    LOL. Sorta like using flash paper to wow kids into believing in god. THAT is nothing but superfluous fluff.

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 6:49 pm on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    But what is your definition of good and goodness today, then what will it be tomorrow?
    You have no morals, no convictions, and that leaves you with no character.
    good for goodness sake means absolutely nothing from your humanist manifesto II

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 6:42 pm on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    Why should I even waste my time going past the preface?

    "Those who sign Humanist Manifesto II disclaim that they are setting forth a binding credo; their individual views would be stated in widely varying ways. This statement is, however, reaching for vision in a time that needs direction. It is social analysis in an effort at consensus. New statements should be developed to supersede this, but for today it is our conviction that humanism offers an alternative that can serve present-day needs and guide humankind toward the future."

    This plainly says if something doesn't work for you change it nothing is unchangeable and everything is negotiable. Why would anyone need to write/read anything past this. First they show how man and government can and do evil things. And then they tell you do whatever you want it's ok.

    At least the first manifesto they stood for something, the second just allows you to fall for anything. The 1st was honest and happy with their convictions, the 2nd has no convictions.

    "After reading it, please tell me what you find unreasonable and unbending about it. Thank you for your time." Nothing is reasoned or reasonable, and everything is bendable.

    Was this a trick test? Where is the manifesto? because that is nothing.

     
  • Humanist posted at 6:18 pm on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    Quote RadRevD: "God does not change, though via mercy, He forgives and forgets. "

    Pretty convenient for Christians bahaving badly, isn't it? Humanists do not have the same luxury or cop-outs. We are good for the right reasons - good for goodness sake. Not good for god's sake.

     
  • Humanist posted at 5:58 pm on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    JW: Are you going to answer this question regarding the Humanist Manifesto II?

    "After reading it, please tell me what you find unreasonable and unbending about it. Thank you for your time."

     
  • RadRevD posted at 5:58 pm on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    "Ethics is autonomous and situational needing no theological or ideological sanction. Ethics stems from human need and interest. "

    B. Russell had a blurb regarding this topic as well. He indicated that ethics changes situationally dependent upon who is in power at the moment.

    God does not change, though via mercy, He forgives and forgets.
    The reason your Humanifest changes is the increasing perverseness that your segment of mankind exhibits.
    What were once vices are not habits...Firesign Theater.
    We've come a long way since the 70's baby!

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 5:39 pm on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    Just because you don't want it to stand the test of time doesn't change the fact that it is. Those changes and rewrites all (except a few, which are rejected by most churches) have references back top original text and explanation of the changes. Usually, for better comprehension with modern language. I have always found that disturbing and was one of the reasons I had rejected religion for so long. Although most youth are introduced through those supplements, by the time they are adult we have come back to the king james bible, for the ease of comparing apples to apples.

    So, what next you want to move to the differences in the same stories in the bible. Or the myths of conspiracy to control by the church. I have heard almost all of them and have used most of them. But you are welcome to keep beating your head on the door, but a knock is always easier.

     
  • Humanist posted at 2:25 pm on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    JW: Uh, and how many versions of the bible are there and have their been?

    The manifostos and classification of the idealogy are just "humanism". There are sub-sets, including religious humanism which shares the same humanistic ideologies while having a religious spiritual element. Do not confuse the two or use the terms interchangeably.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_humanism

    Quote: "Truth is Truth and should hold up to the test of time. "

    It's funny how the "truth" of the bible is now highly antiquated and mankind no longer needs it's supernatural and story book explanations now that we have advanced this far and we know so much more. Your "truth" is disintegrating in the face of time. And, although it is not even coming close to holding up to the test of time, you are still clinging to it.

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 2:11 pm on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    Humanist Manifesto I............Humanist Manifesto II??????? All on the same site is it going to be a trilogy of perversions, I can't wait for.............Humanist Manifesto III

    What the first wasn't palatable enough to the masses? Truth is Truth and should hold up to the test of time. Like what? um? thats right kiddies, The Bible.

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 2:02 pm on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    "TWELFTH: Believing that religion must work increasingly for joy in living, religious humanists aim to foster the creative in man and to encourage achievements that add to the satisfactions of life."

    What part of Religious humanists do you not understand

     
  • Humanist posted at 1:19 pm on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    Quote RRD: "Why persist in referring to an adulterated version of your Manifesto, the one laced with sanitized verbiage and BS?"

    Because it is the current version. Why do you always insist on only quoting the outdated version?

    JW: It's not religious humanism. It's just humanism. No morality? Boy, you really do only interpret things that you so desperately want them to be. Did you miss this entire section?

    "Ethics

    THIRD: We affirm that moral values derive their source from human experience. Ethics is autonomous and situational needing no theological or ideological sanction. Ethics stems from human need and interest. To deny this distorts the whole basis of life. Human life has meaning because we create and develop our futures. Happiness and the creative realization of human needs and desires, individually and in shared enjoyment, are continuous themes of humanism. We strive for the good life, here and now. The goal is to pursue life's enrichment despite debasing forces of vulgarization, commercialization, and dehumanization.

    FOURTH: Reason and intelligence are the most effective instruments that humankind possesses. There is no substitute: neither faith nor passion suffices in itself. The controlled use of scientific methods, which have transformed the natural and social sciences since the Renaissance, must be extended further in the solution of human problems. But reason must be tempered by humility, since no group has a monopoly of wisdom or virtue. Nor is there any guarantee that all problems can be solved or all questions answered. Yet critical intelligence, infused by a sense of human caring, is the best method that humanity has for resolving problems. Reason should be balanced with compassion and empathy and the whole person fulfilled. Thus, we are not advocating the use of scientific intelligence independent of or in opposition to emotion, for we believe in the cultivation of feeling and love. As science pushes back the boundary of the known, humankind's sense of wonder is continually renewed, and art, poetry, and music find their places, along with religion and ethics.
    "

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 12:42 pm on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    Wow, there is so much wrong with your religious humanists Manifesto. To do it justice I will have to put more attention to it than I have while working as I have been. But not even talking about theological differences, on Scientific grounds that you say you live by, Where is the proof on these conclusions that religious humanist theology jump too. It's very much like the 10 commandments, but without any morality. More to follow.

     
  • RadRevD posted at 12:07 pm on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    original: SIXTH: We are convinced that the time has passed for theism, deism, modernism, and the several varieties of "new thought".

    BS Version: SIXTH: In the area of sexuality, we believe that intolerant attitudes, often cultivated by orthodox religions and puritanical cultures, unduly repress sexual conduct. The right to birth control, abortion, and divorce should be recognized. While we do not approve of exploitive, denigrating forms of sexual expression, neither do we wish to prohibit, by law or social sanction, sexual behavior between consenting adults. The many varieties of sexual exploration should not in themselves be considered "evil." Without countenancing mindless permissiveness or unbridled promiscuity, a civilized society should be a tolerant one. Short of harming others or compelling them to do likewise, individuals should be permitted to express their sexual proclivities and pursue their lifestyles as they desire. We wish to cultivate the development of a responsible attitude toward sexuality, in which humans are not exploited as sexual objects, and in which intimacy, sensitivity, respect, and honesty in interpersonal relations are encouraged. Moral education for children and adults is an important way of developing awareness and sexual maturity.


    on Kinsey..."Reisman ties Kinsey's highly touted reports on sex shortly after World War II to the rise of the multibillion-dollar porn industry, widespread promotion of homosexuality, the spread of sexually transmitted diseases, the epidemic of child-sex abuse and abortion. Unlike her earlier works that focus exclusively on Kinsey's fraudulent research, his sadomasochistic crimes and his pathologies, "Sexual Sabotage" examines the magnitude of the impact of Kinsey's reports on the country's social and moral fabric."


    Atheists, Humanists, and Progressive Socialists cannot tolerate society based on the precepts of God!

     
  • RadRevD posted at 11:53 am on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    Humanist...

    Why persist in referring to an adulterated version of your Manifesto, the one laced with sanitized verbiage and BS?

    Merely looking at the Sixth, I see the influence of a pervert exalting the sexual abuse of impressionable people. Try it (with me)...you'll like it! I think that was Gaetan Dougan's spiel!!!
    ( http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=170465 )

    It is to your disgrace that your advocacy of licentious behavior enables you to trash True Believers, which was the original intent of the 6th in the 1933 version!.

     
  • Humanist posted at 11:24 am on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    JW: Try reading the Humanist Manifesto II which can be found here: http://www.americanhumanist.org/Who_We_Are/About_Humanism/Humanist_Manifesto_II

    After reading it, please tell me what you find unreasonable and unbending about it. Thank you for your time.

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 9:22 am on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    Thanks Humanist, That clarifies where that was derived from. Although Again you have interpreted a meaning from a statement that slants it to your agenda. Don't put in Quotes an interpretation of yours, it misleads "the masses" from the truth.

    My interpretation of those quotes might be, with the acceptance that god is in your heart, worldly fears may not be as big a barrier. The way he said it, allowed for the individuals to perceive it many ways, allowing for freedom of choice. Does your way?

     
  • RadRevD posted at 9:09 am on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    no...they are simply LOST being led by blinded leaders in which Lucifer's talons are firmly implanted.
    Teh Great Apostasy of 2 Thessalonians ensues and we near the day when the Man or perdition is revealed.
    I doubt it is Prince o'Bama, but who could resist Scottish Chocolate?


    Not too surprisingly, Alex Salmond has invited Barack Obama to Scotland during the 2009 Year of Homecoming. Scottish Secretary Jim Murphy also invited him north of the border when he makes his first visit to the UK.

    Turns out that yet another US President will have Scottish ancestry... Barack Obama's maternal ancestor, Edward FitzRandolph, is said to have emigrated to America in the 17th Century and according to genealogists his ancestry can also be traced to William the Lion, who ruled Scotland from 1165 to 1214.

    Bloodlines are color-neutral when the mice play. Perhaps that is why Baron Rothchilds encouraged incest and marriage between cousins.

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 8:43 am on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    RadRevD, It's nice to know my deduction from this first introduction to one of them, are confirmed in their own writings. Half my life as an atheist and I never saw, heard or thought anything this wild. Atheism is fertile soil, these people are just Marxist, fruitcakes.

     
  • Humanist posted at 8:27 am on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    Quote JW: ""god can make them more powerful" ???? No, that must be from some weird religion I have never heard of. Where did you get that from? ROFL No, don't answer that I have seen enough of your Delusional mind for now."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDILFPMLOsM&feature=related

    Quote from your video: "I tell the kids, well, with god, you might be able to do things that you didn't think were possible"

    "But if you have god in your life, suddenly the impossible seems a little more possible"

     
  • RadRevD posted at 8:19 am on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    btw...I like that 'depicted' part. It's the Humanist Gene Roddenbury's version of Creation going where no God has gone before!

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 6:33 am on Tue, Jul 20, 2010.

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    You prove my point, You find people of all religions "unacceptable" That put you and your kind in the same category of radical Muslims. If you are a non-believer, in my cause, you are unacceptable. They want to kill us, you want what? Kill, or just institutionalize?

    Your interpretation of my statement show your willingness to, stretch the truth (not very scientific), to your ends. My words stand, you can do what ever you want, I feel sad, pity and pray for you, but not judge you or try by force to stop you. I will, by reason, try to stop you from self destructing action and then shun you after your rejections of reason.

    Isn't strange how your "science', "humanistic", "atheist" "global warming" agenda's all try to use the same basic principles to try "to reach the masses with reason and logic". That is the same way religion has reached the masses for centuries. Where your side falls apart and make you totally non-credible is you accuse religion of using fear of condemning ourselves to HE!! through our actions, but not accepting you are doing the same thing, Your God is the earth, and if the children don't come to your self satisfaction beliefs the earth will condemn and burn you through global warming.

    I believe in heaven and he!! you believe in self satisfaction and global warming. I will take the good life through moral teachings, You can have your self-satisfying life, will the masses feeling for your loss.

    Race and Gender are what you are there is no choice, Sex is what you do. What you DO, no matter how many laws are passed, will never be protected from pity, shame, and shunning. And if you notice I left religion out because it is also what we choice and will and always has been pitied, shamed and shunned. Just a burden I must carry, to fight against evil everyday. I included religion earlier because The US constitution acknowledges religion as a protected choice. As a "world view" (not "American Exceptionalism view") which is your perception, it belongs in the same category as sexuality.

    You cannot separate, your agenda's, as much as you want to. Global warming is the He!! you threaten if the masses don't follow YOUR logic ("atheism, humanism, god, politics, marxism" and I'll add financial goals{government enforced charity}) Your agenda has failed to collect follower until you have finally turn it into a religion copying the structure and teaching techniques totally. Your brief surge in following is only because it is a fresh new Religion, and curiosity caught some doubters.

    In short, you are preaching a religion. Global warming and your religious views are defiantly directly connected.

    "god can make them more powerful" ???? No, that must be from some weird religion I have never heard of. Where did you get that from? ROFL No, don't answer that I have seen enough of your Delusional mind for now.

    You do seem to bring the worst out in me I have never sounded more like a "bible thumper" and my friends if their reading this are ROFL because talking religion is so unlike me, I don't even go to church. LOL But you make my soul crawl with the need to speak out.

     
  • Humanist posted at 10:22 pm on Mon, Jul 19, 2010.

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    JW: You did say this: "You can't stand that we don't judge you, we pity you, and pray for your eyes and heart to be opened. Before he judges you." which is certainly your PC way of saying "you better find Him or you'll burn in he!!".

    I'm not rejecting you. But, I do judge you. If you do very bad things such as teach children religion as fact, then you are doing a disservice to our future generations. So, although, I love all people equally, I can dislike some unequally for their actions. Your actions are unacceptable.

    I notice that you conveniently left out "sexuality" from the all people are born equal part. Nice.

    By the way, global warming has NOTHING to do with atheism, humanism, god, politics, marxism, etc. For you to confuse all of these only demonstrates your paranoia and acceptance of right-wing propaganda.

    Now, go back to pushing skewers through balloons and lying to children that god can make them more powerful. Leave them alone and let them be themselves and let them make themselves more powerful. For goodness sake.

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 10:05 pm on Mon, Jul 19, 2010.

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    "you better believe in god before it's too late and you burn in he!!" where did you pull that quote from? It sure wasn't me. I would never say something judgmental like that to anyone. No Christian should ever think they have the power to proclaim something like that either. You will burn in He!!. I have only ever heard from Bible thumper, that I find hypocritical, and anti-Christians, like you. I have also heard it from progressive preachers that also preach collective salvation which is no part of Bible.

    But most Christians would call me a heathen for my beliefs. So you really have no clue as to what I believe. I judge no one, you are free to do anything you want. But when want to come into my life and try to change my beliefs you had better be prepared for an earful or keep out of my life. Global Warming and your anti-God beliefs are an attempt to step into my life.

    You lie with your statement: "My heart is wide open and I love everyone. I believe that we are all equal regardless of race, religion, sexuality and gender. I believe in doing good for goodness sake."
    You reject and judge, insane, anyone of any religion, and there is No Good in rejection and judging.

    I and most of faith believe we are all born equal regardless of race, religion, or gender, but what you DO in your life defines you. And that is what you hate, being defined by your life's actions.

     
  • Humanist posted at 7:51 pm on Mon, Jul 19, 2010.

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    Quote JW: "Global warming is the emergency created by marxist atheist's to sway the perverse and weak mind of those that feel the shame of their sins. It has nothing to do with science and everything to do with if it feels good and harm no one else, don't judge me."

    Yup, and the black helicopters are hovering over your house.

    I have no idea why you would pity me. I live a good life and dedicate myself to my fellow humans (read a bit about what Humanism is actually about sometime). My heart is wide open and I love everyone. I believe that we are all equal regardless of race, religion, sexuality and gender. I believe in doing good for goodness sake.

    Since I do not believe that there is a "he", your attempt at a scary judgment statement means very little to me. Don't you see? You and others like you always resort to the weakest contradictory tactic when faced with arguments grounded in reality: "you better believe in god before it's too late and you burn in he!!". Give me a break, dude.

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 6:52 pm on Mon, Jul 19, 2010.

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    That is the first lucid thing you have said, maybe there is hope or you,. Forgot who I was talking to.
    I do notice as the others that are reading this, you can't deny may assertions. I'm I actually coming off so light you don't want me to dig deeper? Or are you just hoping people won't read that long of a statement.

    Global warming is the emergency created by marxist atheist's to sway the perverse and weak mind of those that feel the shame of their sins. It has nothing to do with science and everything to do with if it feels good and harm no one else, don't judge me.
    You can't stand that we don't judge you, we pity you, and pray for your eyes and heart to be opened. Before he judges you.

     
  • Humanist posted at 6:00 pm on Mon, Jul 19, 2010.

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    JW: Keep on going please. The more that you write, the more of the deluded lunatic that you are comes out.

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 3:27 pm on Mon, Jul 19, 2010.

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    Quote JW: "Global warming is the emergency created by marxist atheist's to sway the perverse and weak mind of those that feel the same of their sins. "

    Oop Typo, Shame of their sins. Isn't that so profound. The Accidental omission of one letter changing the entire message. This, for years, was the reason for atheism, the meaning of words changing the message and creating the Question: How can I trust the written word? Who wrote it? Wouldn't it be easy to change? These, have been the questions, atheist's have use as justification for their doubts. They were some of mine.

    If this ideological idiocy would have been around 40 years ago it would have saved me 20 years of searching. This diatribe, "The God Delusion", is a wonderful study for those doubting their faith anyone that could believe this are lost to their own humanity.

    Humanist, What? You didn't like the thought's of your hero Dawkins turned onto your religion, scratch that, faith, scratch that too, political views? You can try to weasel, wiggle and scurry but we have access to your Manifesto now.

    If any of you have 47 mins to WASTE you can take a look into the mind of true Marxist and here from the mouth of Humanist Favorite author, 3/4 hour of saying the same thing over and over. If you believe in god you belong in a nut farm. And this is just the first part of this intellectual idiot.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4321574955310561251#

    Part 2 tries to explain over and over how Homosexuality and Pedophilia are acts of man that feel good and why they should not be condemned. If it make you feel good why should it be bad? Faith is compared to a virus in that it infects all those it touches. (do you have the willies yet? I do)

    It's usually good to know how your opponents think, but this takes a caste iron stomach to listen to the constant berating of anyone that doesn't believe as he does. I can listen to Racist, Bigots, Anti-Semites and almost anything else to better understand people, but this was almost too much. I guess I just never thought there could be people that believe the world would be better without people, except for their few shepherds to the world. If anyone has read Rainbow six these are the people Clancy was trying to portray.

    Sorry in advance for giving you this opportunity to examine true evil thoughts. I haven't finished the other 3 parts I didn't know there was anymore than what I had seen on TV years ago. But, now after finding it on the web with 5 parts I am determined to know the minds of these lunies.

    As for science, facts have been changing in science since the ideal of science was founded. The world was flat once and then round. Science is one of the most unstable things to believe in, because it is always changing. There is always that missing link, that unlocks 100 new questions. For centuries the one constant, even with forces constantly trying to change and/or pervert it, is Faith in God. Is my belief in God, Jesus and the holy spirit, correct? Time will tell. And if I'm wrong and these wacko are right? It made me "feel good", so under their ideology, They should support religion, instead of condemning it, if it make us "feel good".

    Harming others you say??? Children??? NO, under your plan, if it make them "feel good", no harm. Or does that only pertain to the amoral people?

    Take your Dr. Dawkins "Feel Good" and go feel good yourselves, but close the door.

     
  • Humanist posted at 8:44 am on Mon, Jul 19, 2010.

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    In the last post, I meant because it was relatively chilly in CdA

     
  • Humanist posted at 8:43 am on Mon, Jul 19, 2010.

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    Quote JW: "Global warming is the emergency created by marxist atheist's to sway the perverse and weak mind of those that feel the same of their sins. "

    Wow. WOW. That's absolutely crazy. We can only hope that deluded, paranoid, conspiracy theorists such as yourself stay out of positions and power while the rational and logical lead us into the future.

    Idahoguy: here's something for you Click here for warmest June on record globally. But according to your logic that really didn't happen because it was relatively in CdA.....

     
  • idahoguy posted at 7:34 am on Mon, Jul 19, 2010.

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    One more thing...to my knowledge the head count on Polar Bears has increased over the last ten years of so called warming up... Why? They are still hunted so it is not that.

     
  • idahoguy posted at 6:02 am on Mon, Jul 19, 2010.

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    All I can say is.. Humanist the worms are eagerly awaiting you.... I figure I will get cremated where I stand as the earth is going to get so hot.

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 12:45 am on Mon, Jul 19, 2010.

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    This is not a religious discussion, It's a discussion on the reason behind global warming. Global warming is the emergency created by marxist atheist's to sway the perverse and weak mind of those that feel the same of their sins. We all sin, but to learn to enjoy that sin is what you and your hero Dawkin's preach. Climate change is a fact of nature and trackable all through the history of the world. You are using a miracle of God's creation as an emergency for your satisfaction.

    The God Delusion was written in answer to the frustration of an editor in the bush administration, LOL. Without Bush Dawkins would have never gotten this book of marxist delusions published. Isn't it sad, you now have to say bush accomplished something for you? Your right I didn't read the trash I say Dawkins diatribe of PBS or somewhere. I was amazed at his loathing of the Faithful. His near rants, and looks of disgust reminded me of the looks on Nazi's faces in photo's of the rounding up of Jew's in Poland.

    This book and documentary are truly a look into the minds of the followers of Marxism and the hoax of Global Warming. And you are the work of art that Dawkins' is looking to create. Agenda's like this are why people are finely seeing who you people really are.

     
  • Humanist posted at 12:09 am on Mon, Jul 19, 2010.

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    Well Jeffrey, yes, you answered my question. It is apparent that you jumped to some Christian Apologist web site that discussed "The God Delusion" rather than actually reading it yourself. Absolutely, teaching children that there is a god is highly irresponsible parenting. There are no "christian children" only children of christians. To teach a child that any form of religion is "fact" is nothing but brainwashing and indoctrination. Instead, you should present every viewpoint in as unbiased a manner as possible and then let them form their own viewpoints. For very difficult topics such as religion, this should not occur until they are old enough to actually make sense of it - say 16 or older or so.

    Again, WHY did you turn this into a religious discussion? What did that have to do with the original topic?

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 3:20 pm on Sun, Jul 18, 2010.

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    The God Delusion is a very comical approach to mold the minds of the intellectual ideologues of today. It's has as many jumps to faith as the bible and little substance. Even it's twisting of facts are so hole ridden that it's hard to get through the book. I particularly like the way he equates teaching a child about God is mental abuse. And State regulated schools are the only proper schooling over private unregulated schooling. This is less an attack on Religion and Morals based for a god. And more an indoctrination into marxism and communism.

    Does that answer your question? Dawkins is a true intellectual Idiot and proves it in his book. He spend his entire book attacking not the massager or the message as most do, but the "poor, desperate people."
    This has got to be a great comfort to you in your ability to do what you want as long as you can justify it in your own mind. Happy being Happy.

    There are allot of things I can't come up with about religions this guy just can't handle the idea of Fiath. This guy is just a marxist and looking for followers.

     
  • Humanist posted at 12:48 pm on Sun, Jul 18, 2010.

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    @JW: I call it "teaching" to show children the way to think using the best method: with logic, with reason, with critical thinking. From there, they can draw the best conclusions for themselves. If you want to call that approach "preaching", you certainly can but I do not see it that way. For you to teach children faith as fact, it is nothing BUT preaching.

    But to call what I have "faith" is highly inaccurate. I have a lack of faith and a lack of theism. Look up the definition of atheism.

    Why did you turn this discussion into one of religion rather than the original topic? Do you simply make the correlation that all science is anti-religion and you see science as the enemy to your agenda? The original topic had nothing to do with religion and my original responses were concerning the science and the engineering behind it.

    BTW, have you actually read "The God Delusion"?

     
  • RadRevD posted at 12:47 pm on Sun, Jul 18, 2010.

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    thanks JW...

    It's funny how Humanism first got traction with Hegelian Theology, though the Gnostics had the initial better idea on salvation. In the 1930's, humanistic philosophy was declared the ultimate expression of religion, but has since been toned down in two steps to eliminate religion all together. Today Secular Humanists preach collective and universal salvation...also known as the o"Bama Way. If we all do the proscribed thing willingly and with a smile, we will be happy in our misery because lavished ruling Elite like RezBarry will have so instructed us.

    I will give Fidel Castro and Kim Jong-il this much: at least publicly, they avoid the Armani or navy blue Hartmax suit at more than $1500.00 a pop. We don't know what goes on behind closed doors as far as their delectables, but I am confident they would both be repulsed by the exorbitant diets of THEE o'Bamanation.

    Preach one thing and do another. Even as Barons of Carbon-Trade blow the skies away with vapor trails, they smugly pronounce our need to minimize our carbon footprint. In the inimitable words of the Who, I would love to ask Big Al "WTFAY?"

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 12:08 pm on Sun, Jul 18, 2010.

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    Quote Humanist "Preached, no, but attempting to reach the masses with reason and logic instead of fantasy, yes."

    Um, that is the definition of Preaching.To advocate, especially to urge acceptance of or compliance with: preached tolerance and peaceful coexistence.To give religious or moral instruction, especially in a tedious manner.

    I know, to have a belief and faith in that belief is about the worst thing to point out to an atheist or agnostic, it was for me. But that is what you have.

    The rest I will leave to RadRevD he said it so well.

     
  • Humanist posted at 10:33 am on Sun, Jul 18, 2010.

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    Quote Jeffrey Wherley: "Why is it that in the past 100 years this Finality of death has been preach so heavily?"

    Preached, no, but attempting to reach the masses with reason and logic instead of fantasy, yes. If you look at human progression throughout history and the development of these religious ideas, it is very easy to see that humans simply did not know any better so came up with these "theories". As we've progressed and have gained knowledge through the scientific method this idea of life after death has become quite antiquated.

    How can people reasonably and logically in this day and age based on what we now know look at a dead human decaying and think anything other than "well, that human is now breaking down chemically through natural processes where it's molecular components will become part of the dirt and air"? But no, somehow people instead say "well, that human has now been risen to a mystical heaven where their spirit will live for eternity". You know why? Because it makes them feel a lot better about the worst thing in our life to think about - our own death.

    It is those 5% who think the latter is absolute rubbish (btw, the percentage is actually a lot higher) who are rational and have a realistic grasp on life, have much more bravery in the face of death, live their life to the fullest because they know it's the only one they have, and who are good for goodness sake. No god necessary.......

     
  • RadRevD posted at 10:24 am on Sun, Jul 18, 2010.

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    the Earth Charter is the latest stage in the diapraxis leading to world governance. Marzism, communism, facism, Liberation theology, etc. are unpalatable for those governed. No one like a hammer poised above their heads. The Earth Charter attempts to coerce compliance for the good of Mother Earth and fellow mankind. What it fails to disclose is it's displacement of God by a new man-centered faith system. It is highly appealing to the ecology-sensitive American population that has little use for moral restraints.

    The Bible speaks to an end of Diapraxis with our triune Creator God prevailing. As much as blatant rebellion against natural law is sanitized and repackaged into a smurphy philosophy, a disparaging caste system prevails with rulers contributing less while needing far more than the average individual.

    Al gore is an excellent example as he pollutes the night with artificial light because he can afford the electric bill. His lack of compunction in dissing his college professor-mentor and promoting junk science that positions him for a very lucrative return from carbon reduction sales should be a glaring reason to investigate the other side of the debate.

    Sadly, few wish to abandon junk science when it caters to their licentiousness and firm resolve that there never was a Creator..

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 8:01 am on Sun, Jul 18, 2010.

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    Idahoguy, Very well said ROFL

     
  • sharetheplanet posted at 8:01 am on Sun, Jul 18, 2010.

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    Study: Climate affects aquifer ROFLMbuttO

    So does 8 houses per acre

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 6:40 am on Sun, Jul 18, 2010.

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    Don't you find it strange that 95% of the worlds population is delusional about a life after live. Even hindi and Buddhist believe in a greater power, Why is it that in the past 100 years this Finality of death has been preach so heavily? Could it be the power of believing nothing is beyond your ability as the supreme master of your universe. There has always been limitations that we cannot go beyond, what/who puts those there? Science only answers so many questions, what is the answer to those questions that Science and math are baffled at? To answer, We just haven't proven those yet is not an answer. Every-time we solve one mystery 10 more show up. The more you uncover the more proof of a design shows up. I bashed my head against that wall for almost 30 years, keep looking the soil is deep and fertile.

     
  • idahoguy posted at 6:30 am on Sun, Jul 18, 2010.

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    For me I have more "faith" in God and history than these so called experts who can for tell the future. Soothsayer did he call himself? Those clowns have been eeking money out of people since mankind arrived here.
    The Earth has been going through changes in large and small degrees for a long long time. It is a safe bet for sure to say the climate will change. Go figure that one out.... Some say it will get hotter...but when it gets colder someday they will say that is because of...global warming. You see my friends these fools cover their arses by blame shifting any change on to another cause which can not be proven as being the direct and total cause to begin with. By the time they get done with their reasoning they world is dazed and confused. We begin to feel warm and sweaty. Then they go on to explain your current feelings are also the result of...global warming.

    As far as asphalt it is good. Dirt/gravel roads produce more dust and air pollution than any other thing around here. They also get my ride dirty so I need to wash it more and than wastes water. But I do like to speed up to make more dust if I see one of those bike race people in the middle of the road. Oh darn....

     
  • Humanist posted at 8:27 pm on Sat, Jul 17, 2010.

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    Quote RadRevD: "Take your Earth Charter and shove it!"

    Wow, Rev, you must be on the bandwagon right now to be so grumpy.

    Jeffrey Wherley: I do not reject your god, I simply do not believe in him/her/it. My life is grounded in reality, the material, the physical, the natural. I do not rely on faith in some unknown supernatural being in order to live a good and full life. It truly is a shame that so many have to believe in something that there is no evidence for in order to make themselves feel better about the finality of death. Telling yourself otherwise is nothing but grand delusion.

    I have no faith in "The God Delusion". It simply says a lot of things that make a lot of sense to rational and logical people. You have read it, haven't you?

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 7:42 pm on Sat, Jul 17, 2010.

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    Humanist, You have to believe in a living earth, because all humans are given the free will by God to believe in some higher power. Since you reject God, your only hope is a living earth to explain the unexplainable. Good luck, in that, let us know how that is working for you. We will be around, till gods plan calls for us.

    When you come down from your apoplectic fit. You can tell us all how your Faith in The God Delusion will be your salvation.

     
  • RadRevD posted at 7:31 pm on Sat, Jul 17, 2010.

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    Yes Humanist...a qualified person to ignore readings deviating from what is expected and focusing on reading adjacent to airport HVAC units. Take your Earth Charter and shove it!

     
  • Humanist posted at 6:38 pm on Sat, Jul 17, 2010.

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    Quote rollingthunder: "It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. "

    Yes, it should be obvious to all non-rocket scientists that climate change is a reality. But it DOES take a scientist to QUANTIFY the changes and to use that data to objectively determine the proper steps to take to mitigate the changes.

     
  • rollingthunder posted at 3:17 pm on Sat, Jul 17, 2010.

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    It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. This only an opinion. I wonder how much tax money was wasted on this junket.

     
  • The Truth posted at 2:09 pm on Sat, Jul 17, 2010.

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    "it would be nice if Idaho could get some decent talent to teach civil engineering"

    -- What decent talent would want to move here with the low wages, redneck politics and generally unfriendly people?

     
  • Humanist posted at 1:03 pm on Sat, Jul 17, 2010.

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    Quote Idahoguy: "I sure hope this guy and other people stop getting paid to forecast what they think will happen after most of us are dead and gone"

    Yeah, because we all know that the world ceases to exist with other people living on it when we as individuals are dead.

    Quote TakeBackTheUSA: "I gotta believe that these academics are as dumb as rocks"

    Well, go right ahead and attempt to take the necessary steps needed to achieve Professional Engineer in civil engineering status in this State or any other State. Then we'll see who is as "dumb as rocks" when you fail.

     
  • RadRevD posted at 9:12 am on Sat, Jul 17, 2010.

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    nothing new here...just the imposition of sustainable development and future misery as planned within the Earth charter and Agenda 21. Everything will be okay once the world's population is parred down to 300 - 500 million inhabitants. Will you live long enough to be one of the lucky remnant?

    These concepts new to you??? If so, you have been kept in the dark and fed skat!

     
  • Dan Gookin posted at 8:54 am on Sat, Jul 17, 2010.

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    Climate affects everything on the planet. No news here.

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 7:50 am on Sat, Jul 17, 2010.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969

    I can listen to the people that want to remove all pavement and return to gravel or dirt roads. At-least that would reduce heat trapping surfaces and water runoff. But then what would they use as an excuse for TAXES. These think tank losers, only want an emergency created to increase TAXES to pay for their think tanks.

     
  • idabilly posted at 7:05 am on Sat, Jul 17, 2010.

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    "might" 4 times

    "could" 3 times

    Sound science at its best....now where did a leave my Magic 8Ball?

     
  • TakeBackTheUSA posted at 6:01 am on Sat, Jul 17, 2010.

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    Could not agree more with Idahoguy. Also, have you seen the total lack of sensible civil engineering, as far as the roads go? I gotta believe that these academics are as dumb as rocks and it would be nice if Idaho could get some decent talent to teach civil engineering. And someone should tell this immigrant that our kids and grandkids probably won't live in Idaho because you can't support a family on $8/hr. Most college grads go elsewhere.

     
  • idahoguy posted at 5:35 am on Sat, Jul 17, 2010.

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    Or it might snow again next winter or not.... it might melt sooner or not.... it might rain in ten days or not...it might get warmer by 1/2 a degree over all or not... (you know it has gotten warmer and colder on the earth for millions of years before) who got blamed then? No white men around so it must have been God or mother nature. By the way ever hear of the old saying, you never know what mother nature will do? I read about it almost daily around this world.

    I sure hope this guy and other people stop getting paid to forecast what they think will happen after most of us are dead and gone.... He needs a real job but in today's terrible economy he probably can't find one so he bought a glass ball and forecasts so far out he can not be held accountable.

    I predict today to be sunny and about one degree warmer than yesterday... why? Because everything gets warmer in the global warming crisis. That is unless it gets colder somewhere else and then that is because of global warming as well. Any fool can plainly see that...right?

     
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