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Up in arms over gun control

Recent mass shooting, debate over future laws sparking a run on buying firearms

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Posted: Sunday, December 23, 2012 12:00 am

Business has seen quite a spike of late at Center Target Sports in Post Falls.

Sales at the gun shop have jumped 30 percent in the past several days, said owner Ed Santos, with people crowding the counter to buy firearms from open to close.

The concealed carry classes have been booked solid.

“Our classes are filled to the limits and gun sales are higher than ever before,” Santos said. “This is happening across the country.”

This isn’t the holiday rush.

This jump to arms has followed the mass shooting at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., Santos said.

“I think the number one reason (sales are up) is people are afraid they’re going to lose their ability to purchase firearms,” Santos said.

Meaning, they fear gun control is looming.

They might have good reason this time.

The massacre of 20 children with an assault rifle seemed to be the tipping point to kick start a new national debate on gun control. At the federal level, there’s already promises to restore an expired assault weapons ban. President Barack Obama has announced plans to make gun control a central issue of his second term.

Stats and rhetoric are also popping up everywhere about growing gun violence in the U.S. Like a report by D.C.-based Violence Policy Center, showing gun deaths outpaced motor vehicle deaths in 10 states in 2009. Or a study showing 60 percent of homicides in the U.S. occur using a firearm, reported by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime.

Gun stores across the nation, like Center Target Sports, are reporting swift climbs in sales as people respond in a panic about gun availability.

The question is worth asking of whether Idaho lawmakers will pursue gun control, too.

And some, like Santos, are also asking whether it would do any good.

“Look at cities that have gun control, like Chicago,” Santos said, arguing that violence is still high in such areas. “Gun control doesn’t work.”

Current law

Sen. John Goedde, first elected in 2000, doesn’t remember gun control ever coming up at the legislature before.

“We’ve had several bills that have been promoted by the National Rifle Association that have passed, expanding gun owners’ rights,” said Goedde, R-Coeur d’Alene.

There are relatively few restrictions on procuring a firearm in Idaho.

Under Idaho statute, the sheriff is charged with issuing concealed weapons permits.

There is no requirement for qualifications or training to own a gun in Idaho.

There are also no restrictions on what kind of firearms individuals can possess, including assault weapons.

All individuals over 21 in Idaho are eligible for a weapons permit, unless they meet certain criminal or mental conditions. Those include being convicted of a crime punishable by over a year in prison, being a fugitive, an illegal drug user, an illegal alien, lacking mental capacity, being dishonorably discharged by the armed forces, or being convicted for one or more crimes of misdemeanor violence.

Minors can’t legally possess any weapon or be sold a gun without written permission from a guardian.

The state does restrict where people can tote their firearms.

A licensed individual cannot carry a concealed weapon into a courthouse, juvenile detention facility, jail or school in Idaho. Doing so is a misdemeanor.

It’s also a misdemeanor in Idaho to possess a firearm or other deadly or dangerous weapon while on school property.

Threatening violence on school grounds is a misdemeanor.

Adding more gun control laws wouldn’t be supported by Idaho’s conservative population, Goedde believes, noting that residents here “value their ability to defend themselves.”

He doesn’t think the requirements for a concealed weapons permit require improvement, either.

“I think the process is a good one,” he said.

Legislative changes unlikely

Other state legislators feel likewise, and don’t seem likely to budge.

It’s unfair to say guns are the culprit of tragedies like at Sandy Hook, said Rep. Luke Malek, R-Coeur d’Alene.

“It’s a simplistic mindset that if we control guns that violence will go away and children will be safe,” Malek said. “That’s just inaccurate.”

He believes gun control can be part of the legislature’s conversation on cracking down on mass violence, but he wouldn’t support any form of gun control, he said.

That includes banning assault weapons, he said.

“I just don’t believe that the government is responsible for controlling weapons,” Malek said. “Taking guns away will provide safety for tyranny, but not for individuals.”

He believes the nation should take a closer look at issues like mental health, he added, to prevent more shootings.

When he worked for the Kootenai County Prosecutor’s Office, Malek recalled, he saw Medicaid funding for mental health drop while cases increased.

“I think that this discussion to be focused on gun control is far too narrow,” Malek said. “We are facing a major problem with society.”

Rep. Frank Henderson said he does expect gun control to be discussed this session.

But like Malek, Henderson also feels that targeting mental health, not restricting gun rights, will do more to prevent tragedies like Sandy Hook’s.

“Gun control is not the answer,” The Post Falls Republican said. “Control of mental health and those who need assistance is a solution.”

Rep. Kathleen Sims said she was shocked like the rest of the nation when she heard about the attack on elementary school students.

“I’ve lost a daughter. I know the pain,” Sims said.

Even with such fierce sympathy, however, the Coeur d’Alene Republican said she is just as devoted as ever to ensuring gun control doesn’t happen.

“I think the second amendment gives us rights, and I won’t fool with that in any way,” Sims said. “I think Americans have obeyed their last gun law.”

She might be open to tweaking state law, though, to allow teachers to carry guns for protection, she said.

“Most shooters are attracted to where they think there will be no opposition,” Sims said.

Rep. Steve Vick, R-Dalton Gardens, pointed out that strict gun control in other countries hasn’t stopped gun violence completely.

“I don’t think that does anything to keep those kinds of weapons out of the hands of the people who really want one,” Vick said.

Gun control unpopular

Gary Riekena stood in line at Center Target Sports on Wednesday with an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle, the last one in stock.

“I planned to do this earlier, but now the rush is on,” the Post Falls man said of anticipated gun control prompting a fast buy. “I went to all the stores. They’re flying off the shelves.”

An owner of various shotguns, handguns and hunting rifles, Riekena is adamantly opposed to gun control, he said.

Mass shootings at schools is “more of a people problem than a gun problem,” he added.

“As far as schools go, a better solution would be put an armed guard in schools,” Riekena said. “If somebody is standing there with one of these, nobody’s going to do that stuff anymore.”

George Colgan was grabbing the store’s last remaining clips for his stock at home. He has been accruing guns and ammo for years, he said, in preparation for gun control.

“It’s a constitutional right, not just personal protection against the tyranny of the government,” the Hayden man said of gun ownership.

He added, “I’m kind of a hawk, overall.”

Implications of the recent shooting were felt elsewhere.

Christa Hazel, parent of two children at Bryan Elementary in Coeur d’Alene, said she saw noticeable police presence around multiple school buildings this week.

“Not one parent complained,” Hazel said. “I heard every parent say, ‘Thank goodness they’re here.’”

She wants to see action to prevent more tragedies, she said. She wants a dialogue about safer school buildings, about mental health support, parent support and school resource officers.

But she doesn’t necessarily want to see gun control.

“If we were to have more gun laws, I wouldn’t necessarily feel safer with my children in their school systems. I don’t correlate the two,” Hazel said. “I think we need to have more conversation and dialogue about it. I don’t think there’s going to be a quick fix.”

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78 comments:

  • The Golden Mean posted at 11:31 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    Killing firemen makes no sense. Need to re-think laws to keep guns out of the hands of people who kill firemen. Perhaps even adding repercussions for those who buy guns for those who can't do so on their own.

     
  • yourneighbor posted at 8:58 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    yourneighbor Posts: 224

    Hey GM " We can however change the laws which allow them to legally purchase weapons that can fire 100 rounds in less than a minute"here is a perfect example of what really happens in this world."The gunman who ambushed and killed two unsuspecting firefighters as they battled a blaze in upstate New York couldn't buy his weapons legally so he allegedly got his neighbor's daughter to purchase them for him, said U.S. Attorney William Hochul"

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 6:28 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    Haven't suggested that anybody turns in their weapon Joe, you're making that part up. I would however like to take at look at problems with the present laws. Not sure why you seem to be against closing the loophole which allows terrorists, gang members, violent criminals and the mentally unstable to purchase guns.

    As chilada01 says, "I don't think you can change the way a crazy person thinks" - We can however change the laws which allow them to legally purchase weapons that can fire 100 rounds in less than a minute.

    Please don't say "guns don't kill people, people kill people" - Really think about it this time.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 5:09 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    GM's funny....."we need to "rethink gun laws" while at the same time he's telling us about terrorists shooting Americans.
    Sure, GM, the terrorists you speak about, they'll follow the law, and turn in their weapons (NOT).

    Then; the law abiding will have NO PROTECTION form the terrorists.

    Great plan.

     
  • chilada01 posted at 2:35 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    chilada01 Posts: 167

    GM " time to re-think gun laws" You can re think them all you want but I don't think you can change the way a crazy person thinks. Look at everythig that is againt the law people buy it do it and it makes no difference. Sorry It's too late... And no I do not own one of these guns...

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 11:47 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    And you keep in mind that according to the Government Accountability Office, people on the terrorist watch list have passed background checks and purchased guns 1,119 times over the past 6 years... Legally!

    ... How's that working chilada01?

    Failing to stop terrorists from getting guns has cost American lives. Terror suspects have already gunned down Americans in attacks within our own borders and put US troops in harm’s way where they should be safest - On their bases, near their homes and with their families.

    Was this the intent of the 2nd Amendment? I don't think so, time to re-think gun laws.

     
  • chilada01 posted at 10:55 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    chilada01 Posts: 167

    GM keep it mind that Guns are not ALLOWED in Chicago. See how well it works....

     
  • chilada01 posted at 10:54 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    chilada01 Posts: 167

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/28/16212238-grim-milestone-chicago-records-500th-homicide-of-2012?lite


     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 10:34 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "... get real, the present system does NOT allow terrorists, criminals, and the mentally unfit to buy guns. NOT TRUE"

    Under federal law, "a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms" is not considered a dealer and is not required to obtain a license and do background checks.

    40 percent of gun acquisitions occur in the secondary markets. Besides gun shows, the secondary market also includes flea markets, print and online ads, and other unregulated transactions.

    Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives undercover stings in three state found that 63 percent of private sellers "sold guns to purchasers who stated they probably could not pass a background check."

    Is that real enough for you Joe?


     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 7:26 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    GM, your side ALWAYS has the premise of gettign RID of guns. Thay take what they can get now, and come back for more later. Been going on for decades.

    ANd GM, get real, the present system does NOT allow terrorists, criminals, and the mentally unfit to buy guns. NOT TRUE.

    You want to PUNISH the rest of society for what a few idiots do; you are bent on taking away people's RIGHTS to make your point, one that is moot, and won't work anyways.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 12:21 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "Your argument is lame, it's all about how "if we JUST got rid of the guns WE SAY need to go; society'll be safe!"

    Joe, I'm going to have to have to reserve the right to argue my side... Not that I don't get a chuckle at your attempts to read my mind, it just that your way off.

    Don't recall saying that we need to get rid of guns. In the hands of the right people, guns do make our neighborhoods safer. In hands of the wrong people, kids get slaughtered in school. Wish you would acknowledge this truth.

    Mine is not an all or nothing argument. It's an argument which seeks to re-think access of military style weapons. Present system allows known terrorists, violent criminals and those who are mentally unfit to legally purchase weapons capable of firing 100 rounds in less than a minute.

    This is unacceptable.

     
  • warrier posted at 6:53 pm on Thu, Dec 27, 2012.

    warrier Posts: 72

    We got laws that prohibit drugs, boose, drunk driving, shooting people, rape, sodomy, incest, pedophiles, speeding and many more, while the Pope thinks pedophilia is just a way of life and its just a normal function, does that make it ok? Every law on the books are broken every day by someone, look at the man who killed the pregnant woman, he is charged with two counts of murder, while Drs can perform partial birth abortions, where the baby is pulled out except for the head and poke a hole in its head and suck its brains out and that's just fine, we had laws against sodomy now its allowed called gay and even marry. how soon we forget the 10 commandments, that was a school teacher as no one can be saved by keeping, they were there for a guideline to give people a manual to live by. All the uproar about guns is only giving the powers that be ammo to help disarm the public, how do we know the other two shooters were not CIA operatives, they were seen and then they were gone and you never hear of them again, they need to disarm the public so they stage shooters against kids who are vulnerable and unprotected. again laws don't stop people for drug traffic-an the CIA is the biggest drug traffickers world wide but that's ok, look at the Contra Arms deal, Reagan - Bush, Arkansas Gov Bill Clinton furnished the airport for that project and look at how many people think these are honorable people.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:39 pm on Thu, Dec 27, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    GM, Diane Feinstein blew a huge hole in your entire argument today, and more than that WE ALL KNEW it was coming.
    Your argumnet is lame, it's all about how "if we JUST got rid of the guns WE SAY need to go; society'll be safe!"
    The FACT is that the left, that's you, GM, wants ALL guns to go away. Period. End of story.
    They have no appreciation for logic; in every example of lunaticsa attackign people, they KEY word is "LUNATICS".
    But not for commies, the key word is "guns".
    We need to take away cars, people misuse them, they're deadly, and just because you never comitted manslaughter by running somone over when you're drunk doesn't mean it isn't part of the near future.
    THIS is the left's logic.
    It crosses any ideal, works on economics, all of it.
    GM & company doesn't want you to have the ability to defend yourself, Idaho. Don't let him fool you.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 5:10 pm on Thu, Dec 27, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "What do you do about the guns already out there?"

    That's easy, regulate future transfer just like machine guns, silencers (suppressors), sawed-off shotguns and short barreled rifles. Individual requirements to purchase these weapons are as follows...

    1. Be a US Citizen at least 21 years old
    2. Be of sane mind
    3. Not an abuser of drugs or alcohol
    4. Have never been convicted of a felony
    5. Pay a $200.00 Federal Transfer Tax on each weapon purchased. (This is a one-time tax, not a yearly tax)
    6. Fill out BATF Form 4 and submit to ATF. This involves getting a Signature of the "Chief Law Enforcement Officer" in your area signifying that he has no knowledge that you will use your weapon for anything other that lawful purposes
    7. Have your fingerprints/photographs taken and submitted to BATF with the above application.

    After approximately 90-120 days, during which time the FBI runs your prints to verify your identity, etc., the transfer will come back approved. After the transfer is approved can you take possession of your item.

    How do I know this will help? Since 1934, when machine guns, silencers, short shotguns/rifles began to be regulated, there has only been one case of a legally owned weapon being used in a crime - and the user was a police officer.

     
  • chilada01 posted at 4:21 pm on Thu, Dec 27, 2012.

    chilada01 Posts: 167

    Golden take a look at the poll online today. I think livinlarge has a great question that you can not answer. What do you do about the guns already out there? It really is as clear as this "You outlaw that type of gun and only outlaws will have them". Most people do not want to be a part of that scenario. So I will ask you... Are you for real?? By the way my handgun that I along with many others carry with us everywhere we go, has the capability "to mow down high volumes of people".You really need to get educated on guns before you make yourself look any dumber...

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 3:53 pm on Thu, Dec 27, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "Are you for real? I will keep what is rightfully mine as you do the same"

    My question was are you more interested in "your guns" or keeping guns out of the people who shouldn't have them. sounds like "your guns" is your priority.


    "All I was asking for was a simple answer as to how will you ever control something that is so uncontrollable at this point"

    Step one is we need to find a way to work around those who are more interested in their guns than they are in controlling access to certain weapons designed to mow down high volumes of people. Weapons which have been used to kill children in schools and civilians in movie theaters.

    Not sure if folks realize that their "Second Amendment Right" is being exploited by evil people to kill American citizens. Existing laws have loopholes which allow known terrorists (domestic and foreign), convicted felons (violent and non-violent crimes) as well as those mentally unfit to own a gun legal access to do so.

    Are you sure that "your guns" are more important than controlling access to terrorists, criminals and evil people... How many more must die before you reconsider?

     
  • livinlarge posted at 1:54 pm on Thu, Dec 27, 2012.

    livinlarge Posts: 29

    "Before we get in the details of the solutions, are you more concerned about "your guns" or keeping guns out of the people who shouldn't have them?"

    Are you for real? I will keep what is rightfully mine as you do the same. All I was asking for was a simple answer as to how will you ever control something that is so uncontrollabe at this point. Those guns that you and so many want banned are already on the streets and in homes. So lets hear your solution to keeping those types of guns from the people who should'nt have them. Oh yea that's right all we need is " patience"

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 1:01 pm on Thu, Dec 27, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "It's so easy to point a finger and blame but you offer no real solutions"

    It's also easier to leave things as they are instead of working to make necessary access modifications. Especially when change may require patience from our "need It know" culture.

    The issue is complicated but there are proven solutions which can be implemented and manged using existing infrastructure.

    Before we get in the details of the solutions, are you more concerned about "your guns" or keeping guns out of the people who shouldn't have them?

     
  • livinlarge posted at 12:00 pm on Thu, Dec 27, 2012.

    livinlarge Posts: 29

    GM Let us say that a ban became in affect, How would the Government inforce this? Would you allow them to come into your home and search it? Do you think people who are sick in the head and are willing to do such things as( shoot children and firefighters,movie goers, mall patrons the list goes on) are going to just hand over their guns? I for sure don't. It's so easy to point a finger and blame but you offer no real solutions,so with that said " If ya can't beat them ya might want to consider arming yourself. It is a sad world we live in and I don't think you are going to change it....

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 11:22 am on Thu, Dec 27, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "Tell me again how criminals obey the laws?"

    Tell me how locking the vault prevents criminals from accessing a bank's money.

     
  • milburnschmidt posted at 10:18 am on Thu, Dec 27, 2012.

    milburnschmidt Posts: 1161

    AS Diane Feinsteins proposed gun control proposals hit the media its obvious why so many peoiple rail about a confiscation of guns by the Govt. By registering all grandfathered firearms and gun owners its only a election cycle away from pressure on gun owners to give up their collections. Certainly this will never pass in congress as she proposes but parts of it might. Photographs,finger prints and registration are more of whats coming our way. As pundits here argue anout teachers and security our right to own firearms is going to be priced and regulated out of our reach. A interesting side article Quootes film maker Micheal Moore telling scared white people to put their gund away there is another past article telling of his armed body gaurds attempt to take a firearm thru airport security. Gun control for some people hired guns for the elite.

     
  • livinlarge posted at 9:48 am on Thu, Dec 27, 2012.

    livinlarge Posts: 29

    Truthful said " I bet'cha that armed teachers would have prevented the shooting deaths of firefighters in NY." Sorry I don't see your humor. Being ole so wise truthful what is the answer? Oh I know everyone turn your guns in, right?

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 7:24 am on Thu, Dec 27, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    GM, confusion reigns supreme for you n this whole gun issue; the shooters are VERY concerned with getting shot back at, that's why MOST of them shoot themselves before anyone else has the chance.

    The one with the gun at Tucson was afraid, that makes him human. Big deal.

    What's your point on the Reagan shooting? It was an assassination attempt; or is that the same thing as banning rifles, being that it's a handgun?

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 10:31 pm on Wed, Dec 26, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    "Shoting" is a mispelled word I used that a liberal will use to speak about when they have no legitimate retort.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 10:30 pm on Wed, Dec 26, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    "Shoting" is a mispelled word I used that a liberal will use to speak about when they have no legitimate retort.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 10:29 pm on Wed, Dec 26, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    Re: "Because no one there is armed, no one is going to shoot back"

    You seem to forget that the folks we are most concerned about have decided to die. They're kamakazes on a suicide mission. Who else has a gun doesn't matter.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 10:29 pm on Wed, Dec 26, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    "Shoting" is a mispelled word I used that a liberal will use to speak about when they have no legitimate retort.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 10:29 pm on Wed, Dec 26, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    "Shoting" is a mispelled word I used that a liberal will use to speak about when they have no legitimate retort.

     
  • truthful1 posted at 6:18 pm on Wed, Dec 26, 2012.

    truthful1 Posts: 554

    Who does the "shoting"?

     
  • Insider posted at 3:00 pm on Wed, Dec 26, 2012.

    Insider Posts: 360

    The Conn shooting happened with a weapon on the ban list, and the shooter illegally obtained it. Tell me how gun control works in that scenario?

    The Clackamas Oregon mall shooting would have been much worse had an armed citizen not stepped in and confronted the shooter with his own sidearm (something the media likes to overlook). He saw he was being engaged and like the coward he was, retreated into the stairwell where he fed himself a bullet. The good citizen had proper situational awareness and did not fire because of potential innocents in the crossfire zone.

    Columbine happened during the AWB (see how effective that was) and one of the shooters managed to dump 96 rounds from his scary black weapon, using 10 round magazines. They also brought bombs, should be outlaw propane?

    Fact is, gun control is not the answer. Restricting types and styles and colors of weapons does nothing but limit the law abiding. Tell me again how criminals obey the laws? Soft targets are the preferred kill zones, why? Because no one there is armed, no one is going to shoot back.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 1:44 pm on Wed, Dec 26, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "Columbine was the ONLY mass shooting where there was anyone with a gun anywhere near"

    Joe, I betcha you didn't know that a citizen with a concealed weapon (legal, permitted) was present at the Tuscon shooting. He did not use or threaten the murderer with his weapon.

    Armed, highly trained security were present at the Reagan assassination attempt. The weapon, bought at a pawn shop (Röhm RG-14 .22 cal) was loaded with six "Devastator"-brand cartridges which contained small aluminum and lead azide explosive charges designed to explode on contact - as they did in James Brady's head and Thomas Delahanty's neck.

    All six rounds were fired in 1.6 seconds, approx the same time that it would take a modern semi-auto pistol such as Glock 9mm to fire off 11 rounds. Good thing Hinkley did not select that weapon!

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 11:34 am on Wed, Dec 26, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    I betcha that IF the shooter had someone shoting BACK, he'd have not had such easy targets.

    Coumbine was the ONLY mass shooting where there was anyone with a gun anywhere near. In the theatre shooting, had any ONE person had a gun, they would have saved multiple lives, and the same is VERY true of Sandy Hook.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 10:06 am on Wed, Dec 26, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    Columbine High School had an armed guard during the massacre In 1999. More guns is not the answer.

     
  • truthful1 posted at 6:35 am on Wed, Dec 26, 2012.

    truthful1 Posts: 554

    I bet'cha that armed teachers would have prevented the shooting deaths of firefighters in NY.

     
  • truthful1 posted at 6:35 am on Wed, Dec 26, 2012.

    truthful1 Posts: 554

    I think you just linked an individual action to society as a whole right there.

     
  • Jill Heine posted at 9:16 pm on Tue, Dec 25, 2012.

    Jill Heine Posts: 408

    so easy! Deputize law-abiding, gun-toting parents and federal false-flag schemes will be no more. I am very confident that my hunting partners would be more than willing to volunteer their time.

     
  • aayupp posted at 4:54 pm on Tue, Dec 25, 2012.

    aayupp Posts: 316

    "She might be open to tweaking state law, though, to allow teachers to carry guns for protection, she said"


    Stop it will ya. Thats the stupidest thing i ever heard of.

    We have National Guard and Barney Fifes (town cops) available to take turns at the front door to every school in the country. Iam sure Obama will create another federal agency like Homeland Security to address this new problem. What a reactive society we live in. Likes these ding dongs running down to buy guns!!! Have you noticed how long it takes to implement National Health Care after saying it has passed!! haha!. i mean come on fools -the NRA has got some punch and thank god for that!. yes - this will bring up the debate again but they have been debating for years on this so you dont have to buy guns on impulse. you got time. i hope??

    another comment from a tater farmer, "Rep. Steve Vick, R-Dalton Gardens, pointed out that strict gun control in other countries hasn’t stopped gun violence completely" well- yes it has but thats not the point in america - land of liberty- we need our weapons for protection from our overbearing government-like the one we have in idaho. and we want effective weapons also -like the newest cell phone that comes out every week --we want all the bells and whistles --faster the better-hence we want assualt rifles! good protection.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 1:07 pm on Mon, Dec 24, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    Like anything the people are involved with.

     
  • heatherfeather posted at 12:17 pm on Mon, Dec 24, 2012.

    heatherfeather Posts: 297

    It has nothing to do with Idaho family values. Stop linking the actions of an individual to society as a whole. People will think you are mentally ill.

     
  • DeNiles posted at 12:14 pm on Mon, Dec 24, 2012.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    Ya mean like MSNBC?

     
  • DeNiles posted at 12:13 pm on Mon, Dec 24, 2012.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    It should have been clear after Benghazi that Obama prefers weapons in the hands of bad guys. The good people just get the option of surrender or death - if that option is available.

    Logic is not O's strong suit. To cure the national debt we need to borrow more $$$(?) The best way to control gunplay is to disarm the law abiding citizens(?)

     
  • heatherfeather posted at 12:11 pm on Mon, Dec 24, 2012.

    heatherfeather Posts: 297

    The same can be said of HuffPo and Time.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 11:07 am on Mon, Dec 24, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    SGT Report is an opinion site for those with a certain agenda, not a news source.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 10:58 am on Mon, Dec 24, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    You should at least regulate gun sales as much as alcohol sales.

     
  • Jill Heine posted at 10:05 am on Mon, Dec 24, 2012.

    Jill Heine Posts: 408

    Repeat a lie loud enough and often enough, and it becomes the truth. Fast and Furious never happened. Brian Terry died of a broken heart after shooting a jack wabbit. Odd that the first responders failed to notice the Bushmaster.
    http://sgtreport.com/2012/12/so-many-questions-too-few-answers-was-the-sandy-hook-massacre-an-organzied-false-flag-operation/

     
  • max power posted at 9:18 am on Mon, Dec 24, 2012.

    max power Posts: 559

    *** Idaho Senator Crapo Arrested And Charged With DUI After Running Red Light ***

    Obviously alcohol is to blame. It is time to prohibit it... Again! Hopefully it will work better this time...

     
  • milburnschmidt posted at 8:03 am on Mon, Dec 24, 2012.

    milburnschmidt Posts: 1161

    FLASHGORDON obviously missed a part of the interview on meet the press that adds to the uproar. It seems David Gregorys children go to a private school which has armed security according to the WASHINGTON POST not FOX NEWS. The schools security is augumented by the secret service who protect the children of president Obama. who also go to that school. When you look at rosie Odonnell,Mayor Bloomberg and many others who rail against guns in the hands of the people who themselves benefit from police or private security it seems fair to ask what the country would be like if they got their way. If the CNN pierce whoever who attacked gun owners had his way we would still be celebratingthe Queens birthday and pterce the tax collector would be burning down our homes for no payment of taxes.

     
  • truthful1 posted at 7:47 am on Mon, Dec 24, 2012.

    truthful1 Posts: 554

    Crapo's DUI represents the truth of Idaho family values.

     
  • Insider posted at 5:24 am on Mon, Dec 24, 2012.

    Insider Posts: 360

    Not true. If you have an Idaho CCW permit you can open carry or carry concealed. If that is what you meant. Having a permit does not take away your right to open carry in Idaho. I have my Washington non-resident permit as well. Be advised if you have your permit in washington, if you are pulled over, they know you are probably armed so have your permit with you and keep your hands visible. Makes it go easier on the trooper and everything should be fine.

     
  • Insider posted at 5:20 am on Mon, Dec 24, 2012.

    Insider Posts: 360

    Describe an "assault weapon".

     
  • Insider posted at 5:19 am on Mon, Dec 24, 2012.

    Insider Posts: 360

    Maybe they have a Garand

     
  • Peter posted at 10:22 pm on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    Peter Posts: 632

    ...since those pushing gun control have so much faith it is the answer, then I suggest you pass your moronic laws and remove the guns from the President's Secret Service agents.

    Speaking of moronic, moronic would be to address the issue of this matter w/o acknowledging the fact the large amount of guns in this country somehow has no part in these massacres. They are one component of many that played a part in this and many other killings with firearms that happen in this country. The nuts in this country must get off this paranoid delusion that somehow gun control will lead to an all out confiscation of firearms. With gun ownership at 90 firearms for every 100 citizen in this nation there is no way that these guns would ever be fully confescated even if the govt wants to. ! Sensible gun control laws can be done in this nation. And although they can never prevent large scale random acts of violence, they can sure as heck minimize the statiscal possibility of it occuring. Besides as the AP and other recent polls have pointed out 70% of NRA members favors some form of gun control. Gun control does not equate to taking away all guns.

    Off subject, but our honorable Senator of Idaho, Sen Mike Crapo (R) was arrested for DUI in Virginia. Speaking of morons...and why was he in Virginia when most of Congress went home for the holidays? Well, at least the House GOP split for the holidays.

     
  • heatherfeather posted at 9:36 pm on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    heatherfeather Posts: 297

    I can only hope so...I can't stand their violent movies, or their pornography, or their gangsta rap.

    But far from me to dictate what they can listen to, or view.

    Stay out of my life, I will stay out of yours.

     
  • Close Enough posted at 9:04 pm on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    Close Enough Posts: 134

    Note to author: a "clip" is not a magazine. In fact, the most sure fire (no pun intended) way to broadcast your ignorance of/about firearms is to refer to a "magazine" as a "clip."

     
  • Rationale posted at 8:17 pm on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1974

    Once again, test your theory.

    Pass the laws and remove guns from police and secret service agents. If you aren't willing to do that, then you know hat the gun control theory is moronic and definitely not the answer.

    After all, lunatics and criminals always obey your laws.

     
  • charliek60 posted at 3:10 pm on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    charliek60 Posts: 204

    if your born to get shot - you"ll never get hung

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 1:16 pm on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "FBI & police confirmed he did not take the rifle in with him!"

    "The primary weapon used in the attack was a "Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon" Connecticut State Police Lt Paul Vance


     
  • Keven Johnson posted at 12:42 pm on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    Keven Johnson Posts: 1302

    The REAL real reason these children are no longer with us is because this tragic incident nicely advances the globalist / statist agenda to disarm the American people. This was a staged 'false flag' terror attack. Not like it's never been done before.

     
  • Flash Gordon posted at 12:38 pm on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    Flash Gordon Posts: 1296

    I can't believe Heather Doesn't like her own country. Either that or she's a troll.....

    On Meet the Press this morning Wayne Lapierre literally foamed at the mouth......I was even embarrassed for him...

    He said "you can't legislate morality"...I was personally surprised he fell into that "trap"....he obviously doesn't understand cultural and social codes of conduct and the varying degrees of "morality" attached to them...what an idiotic thing to say.....on national television in front of David Gregory and millions of viewers....is this all the NRA and the gun manufacturing CEO's have in their critical thinking arsenal? HUH????

     
  • Jill Heine posted at 12:36 pm on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    Jill Heine Posts: 408

    more MSM lies repeated by the Press: " massacre of 20 children with an assault rifle".
    FBI & police confirmed he did not take the rifle in with him!
    Buy while you can and don't forget the ammo.


    btw, you do not need a permit to open carry in Idaho if you are a resident.
    Since 2010,concealed carry without a permit in Phoenix has been legal.
    Too bad I can't carry on the plane.

     
  • Keven Johnson posted at 12:27 pm on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    Keven Johnson Posts: 1302

    Tim, am I understanding you correctly that if one has a concealed weapons permit, he/she can no longer open carry?

     
  • Rationale posted at 12:06 pm on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1974

    since those pushing gun control have so much faith it is the answer, then I suggest you pass your moronic laws and remove the guns from the President's Secret Service agents. After all, your law is enough to stop the whackos!

     
  • Peter posted at 10:03 am on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    Peter Posts: 632

    It is a shame that Idaho is in the same nation as the control freaks in New England and California.
    Maybe someday, we will have our own land, and they can have theirs.

    United we stand/divided we fall. They are as everybit as American as you or I Heather. They are not going to take your rights away no more than you would of theirs. Btw, I am a gun owner.

     
  • heatherfeather posted at 9:34 am on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    heatherfeather Posts: 297

    Hollyweird is the control freak federal government's propaganda arm. Them and the federal media.

    Agreed, though, the drugs that band of overpaid addicts buy are responsible for epic slaughters in Mexico. Not that these self-serving twits care. It is all about them. This tragedy in Connecticut is another chance for them to strut in front of the cameras, telling their starry-eyed followers how it is. Never mind that they can afford their own security.

    It is us vs. them. The control freak government and its propaganda arm need to be shunned.

     
  • heatherfeather posted at 9:30 am on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    heatherfeather Posts: 297

    It is a shame that Idaho is in the same nation as the control freaks in New England and California.

    Maybe someday, we will have our own land, and they can have theirs.

     
  • idahoguy posted at 9:23 am on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    idahoguy Posts: 932

    Caius buried his dear old mommy in the back yard years ago...or is that her mummified body staring out the upstairs window I see?

     
  • will-- posted at 9:15 am on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    will-- Posts: 940

    Don't kid yourself. Your hypocritical lib buddies are doing their share of gun purchasing also.

    One place they will not be stocking up is the Southwest Shooting Authority gun shop in Arizona where the owner took out a full page stating, "If you voted for Obama, please turn around and leave! You have proven you are not responsible enough to own a firearm."


     
  • Peter posted at 9:11 am on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    Peter Posts: 632

    Those same Hollywood and gaming industry folks also sell their violent movies and video game products in Europe and Japan. You don't see them killing one another with firearms or murder in general at the rate that Americans are killing one another. Now and then you do see an incident like what we witnessed in Scotland and Norway, but no where on the scale of that you see here in the US. Do you know what common phrase that comes out the mouths of European in rare shooting incidents overthere? They say things like, "...this kind of thing is only suppose to happen in the America." That was actually quoted during the Dublane massacre. That statement should give all of us a pause at how we as a nation should reflect and try to come together in coming up with a sensible solution on the matter. USA is the exception whether you like it or not. Those stats from the Justice Dept, WHO, and CDC don't lie in our ranking of firearm related deaths compared to our free democratic allies overseas and north of the border. Limit on bullet capacity, closing background check loopholes for gunshows and online purchases, a more robust enforcement of existing laws, make it a part of the state, county and city policing authorities to patrols our local schools as their daily patrol duties. People need to take their tin-foil hat fallacious slippery slope argument that somehow gun-control = taking your guns away. Because it doesn't. It is possible to reach a sensible solution the matter.

     
  • Flash Gordon posted at 9:07 am on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    Flash Gordon Posts: 1296

    This article has perfect timing. Wayne Lapierre and the gun manufacturers are just giddy over the "implications" for them over Sandy Hook. Sandy Hook has been good for business, particularly in a recovering economy.......

    Lapierre and his gun manufacturing CEO's put everything they had into trying to defeat Obama....and failed. That has implications at the legislative level.:)

     
  • Hayden Joe posted at 8:58 am on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    Hayden Joe Posts: 174

    Caius Cosades - for those of you who don't know, Caius Cosades is the pseudonym of a player in an overtly violent video role playing game - "The Elder Scrolls." Knowing this, I'll be sure to take Caius Cosades' comments with a very large does of salt.

    Comments on the question of how violent the game is:

    "master_chief_82
    Posted 2/21/2012 6:54:28 PM

    Is there head decapitations and limb dismemberments? I've heard that skyrim is a lot more violent than previous elder scrolls.
    Luiman04
    Posted 2/21/2012 6:55:49 PM

    If you play in-close melee, there can be some fairly brutal "finishing kills". I find them quite satisfying, but if Mom is looking over your shoulder, she might not approve.

    this game is so violent and gory it makes monster party on the nes silent hill all of them and splatterhouse look like sesame street
    ---
    werewolfs like sandwiches

    Heads? yes. Limbs? No.
    PapaRosario23
    Posted 2/21/2012 6:56:54 PM

    Yep, there are decapitations aplenty. Don't remember any limb dismemberments.
    ---
    "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
    preachinsin
    Posted 2/21/2012 7:01:52 PM

    None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked up in here with you. You're locked up in here with me!"

     
  • CaiusCosades posted at 8:37 am on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    CaiusCosades Posts: 380

    So how many times have the right wing extremists ran out and bought guns and yelled through the town square that the sky is falling this year?

     
  • DeNiles posted at 7:41 am on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    The facts? The fact is that states with the highest percentage of armed homeowners have the lowest percentage of violent crimes. Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, and Kentucky are high on this list.

     
  • straight up posted at 7:26 am on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    straight up Posts: 939

    Hollywood produces a video full of stars demanding gun control.

    Is there a more hypocritical bunch of mouth breathers on the planet?

    They buy their mansions and their cocaine off of their industry's perpetual glorification of gore and violence. They even completely revamped their trailer releases and showings of movies after the theater shooting in Colorado and Sandy Hook because they new "they'd be called out" over the bloodshed so prominently on display on the big screen.

    Let's see the President fire up the nation over Hollywood's role in gun violence.

    Oh, yeah almost forgot....the election....the parties...the fundraisers....Letterman...The View....

    Never mind. Not gonna happen.

     
  • I Carry posted at 6:57 am on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    I Carry Posts: 440

    Idahoguy, You stated it perfectly! Thank you.
    Truthful1, you also are correct.
    The real reason the children are no longer with us is the fact a human put pressure on a trigger, causing a gun to fire. The weapon did not go off by itself. Period! I'm betting the shooter was pretty good with his X Box and could "kill" zombies by the hundreds while playing a video game that actually looks like it takes place in a school or mall setting.
    Merry Christmas to all and a better new year.

     
  • Tim Herzog posted at 6:56 am on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    Tim Herzog Posts: 360

    IDAHO IS AN OPEN CARRY STATE...just like our neighbor next door, Washington State. When you have an Idaho concealed weapons permit YOU MUST keep it concealed unless you are inside your own property like your house or car.

    You don't need any permit here or in Washington to Open Carry but you will always be suspect if you do. Also, our neighbor does not recognize and Idaho concealed weapons permit so if you get stopped for a traffic violation make sure you gun is in the open.

     
  • truthful1 posted at 6:29 am on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    truthful1 Posts: 554

    Well, we do know that 20 first graders in CT will ever get to let us know their opinions.

     
  • idahoguy posted at 6:03 am on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    idahoguy Posts: 932

    Rushing to buy a first gun now is so much like rushing to buy groceries to endure a storm. Those that do it are just way late and a ton of wise thinking and planning ... short.

    Also any fool can plainly see the underlying trend of mental instability, unhappiness and despair these people are suffering from which triggers their out bursts of violence. Today a casino card dealer just stab another card dealer. This time a knife. It is not the tool it is the motive.

    Thanks to obama (who is on vacation) and so many other politicians kicking the can down the road our society is coming apart. Resulting in desperation and drug abuse and other abuses which lead up to gun abuse. Resulting in people abuse. Folks this is a symptom of the cancer growing in our society...not some simple minded thinking more gun laws will fix the politicians ongoing failures.

    It is also all part of a much larger plan... getting the population once again arguing between themselves while they steal and rob us blind. To me a good gun owner has owned and safely operated said tools for many years. Just like a good citizen has many months of stored supplies to endure a crisis event. These folks would rather drive an older paid for car, live below their means and have the security and peace of mind. Thus they are not fertile ground for mental illness, strife and despair.

     
  • IdahoMan posted at 4:56 am on Sun, Dec 23, 2012.

    IdahoMan Posts: 100

    On the subject of gun laws in Idaho, we'd like to see "Constitutional Carry" passed.

    Out rights don't come from the state. We should not have to ask PERMTion to exercise what is already ours. There is no "expansion" of gun rights via legislation.. It's either a right or it isn't. If it is, then there should not be unjust laws restricting it. No permits, background checks or training requirements.

    To Sen. John Goedde, Rep. Frank Henderson, Rep. Steve Vick, or any other Idaho legislators reading this: Please pass legislation that strikes out the language in Idaho law that makes it unlawful to carry a firearm or weapon without a permit, license or other requirement. Just like "Open Carry".

     
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