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RecallCdA organizer Frank Orzell has no plans to pursue litigation

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Posted: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 12:15 am

COEUR d'ALENE - It's over.

The recall effort against four city incumbents failed Monday, officially ending a two-month petition drive that sought the seats of Coeur d'Alene City Council members Mike Kennedy, Woody McEvers, Deanna Goodlander and Mayor Sandi Bloem.

After the Kootenai County Elections Department certified the signatures over the last week, and City Clerk Susan Weathers calculated the final numbers Monday, each petition fell between 185 and 251 certified signatures short of the 4,311 signature benchmark required to prompt a recall election.

"I now declare this recall process closed," Weathers said at a press conference announcing the outcome.

Around two dozen people, including media outlets, attended the press conference in the Old Council Chambers. None of the incumbents were there, but applause broke out as Weathers read each incumbent's final signature total in front of attendees and television cameras.

"It's an affirmation of the fact that the majority of people do support these four people and what they're doing, and we do believe they deserve to keep doing the jobs they were elected to do," said Jennifer Drake, co-organizer of Stop The Recall, the citizen group which opposed the recall effort after it was launched April 5. "They've done great things for the community and they have such a strong support system behind them."

While the official declaration came late Monday, word that the effort was going to fail began circulating Coeur d'Alene Saturday afternoon after the Elections Department stated that signature rejection rate on the petitions was around 24 percent. The rejection rate needed to stay under 20 percent, and early Monday the office said the certification work was complete, with the rejection rate finishing at 23 percent.

"This isn't a victory celebration," Bloem said, at her store, Johannes and Co., after learning of the official outcome. "It's difficult it happened. I think anyone can say it's been difficult and tough, no matter what your view is on the recall. One has to look at what has happened and say, 'What have we learned from this? What is positive out of this?' And I do think there are some positives. One is, I think a lot more people were engaged and tried to know the facts and tried to know what's going on and listening to both sides and getting involved. And particularly with younger people, I saw. And the community needs that. In order to be more healthy, we need to be more engaged."

How the community moves forward after such a politically tense time is yet to play out.

The incumbents echoed a statement by Bloem that people from all sides of the political fence need to come together to move the city forward. That can be with more communication, and a better job by the city at getting its message out to avoid rifts some felt were started by the spread of misinformation, they said.

"Frankly, we can improve city communication, and we need to," Kennedy said.

Each of the four petitions had roughly 4,000 signatures, more signatures than the number of votes each incumbent received in 2009 to earn their seats, which were between roughly 3,100 and 3,900.

"There are a lot of people unhappy enough to sign a recall petition," Kennedy said. "Obviously the city needs to improve our communication, and improve how we get fair and accurate information out in the face of a lot of contention."

Frank Orzell, RecallCdA organizer who attended the press conference, conceded the results, and said the next time the voters will have a chance to express their views will be during the city's next general election in November 2013. He added that he doesn't have any plans to pursue litigation, addressing rumors circulated online that the results might hit the courts.

"Once again, the voters of Coeur d'Alene are denied a public vote," a statement issued by Orzell read. "It is with great sadness and disappointment that I concede ... For now."

He thanked the supporters and volunteers who petitioned on RecallCdA's behalf, and agreed that people need to work together moving forward. Idaho code says a failed petition drive cannot be brought forward against the same targeted incumbent for 90 days, but Orzell's statement made clear that November 2013 would be the time for the next active effort.

"Healing demands healing from both sides and a willingness from both sides," Orzell said on moving forward. "And there are sides."

Just over two months ago, RecallCdA launched the recall effort at City Hall under snowfall and cheers from supporters. Afterward, the group was organized and visible soliciting signatures across town. Last week, the group turned in around 5,300 signatures on each incumbent's petition. But 23 percent of those signatures were rejected for not being certified registered Coeur d'Alene voters - a requirement to count on the final tally.

They were rejected, according to Kootenai County Clerk Cliff Hayes, a Republican, because the names simply didn't appear on the state voter registration list that Hayes's team used to check the signatures.

The incumbents were targeted largely for their support of the estimated $14.2 million McEuen Field development plan, and their lack of support for a public advisory vote before or after adopting the park's conceptual plan over a year ago.

"I do not apologize for what we have done in trying to bring the voice of democracy to the community," Orzell's statement said. "We did what we could and we are proud of our accomplishments."

In the end, 4,073 certified signatures marked Goodlander's petition, 4,077 on Kennedy's, 4,060 on McEvers' and 4,126 certified voters signed Bloem's, closing a final chapter in the highly publicized drive. McEvers could not be reached for comment Monday afternoon.

"I think we can take a breath," Goodlander said. "I just believed strongly in the city and in the community and I didn't feel like they would get the (signatures), and they didn't ... If nothing else, this has in some ways galvanized this community."

"I feel like two and half years ago I ran for office and I was elected for four years to do the best job I knew how to do and that's what I get to do," Bloem said. "I get to finish my four years and finish the job I was elected to do."

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46 comments:

  • gracious few posted at 10:55 am on Fri, Jun 22, 2012.

    gracious few Posts: 285

    Wow Meesterbox, who the heck died and put you in charge of the blog

    "Times are changing. You will find more and more of us commenting on here to correct all the vitriol usually posted. Many of you have bullied the reasonable voice from this site, but we are going to continue to stand up, correct your inaccurate posts, and provide CdA citizens with the truth."

    Who in the world do you think you are?? You are the one that I see doing most of the bullying, heck you have done it to me, only to be proven WRONG... get over yourself... you are anything but reasonable, if someone posts their opinion and you don't agree you start your garbage. You and you alone have made this blog ridiculous, ever heard of a fair debate? didn't think so...

    I haven't posted in a long time because of YOU... the know it all...well after seeing this it is time to stand up........ so tell me what I wrote in this blog that you feel is inaccurate and need to correct?

     
  • IMI-UBU posted at 9:51 am on Wed, Jun 20, 2012.

    IMI-UBU Posts: 98

    Hi Bionic man,
    We either need to start on a more positive way in dealing with the City's progress.
    I am so sick and tired o0f poor losers.
    Quite honestly if you don't like it here then it may be a GREAT reason for you to leave.
    You have a choice to either work together or just pack up.
    The RECALL People need the KARMA as they are the ones that started this mess.
    I will not bow down to the recall people and folks like you.
    Our Mayor and city council are who we voted in to make decisions .
    It is time to work together not sit around and whine and cry because you didn't get your way.
    GROW UP FOLKS!!!!

     
  • meesterbox posted at 7:46 pm on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    meesterbox Posts: 183

    I work hard to fill my own pockets and I do sleep very well at night.

     
  • bionic man posted at 7:09 pm on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    bionic man Posts: 347

    Messerbox....so by what you are saying/implying, it's the taxpayers of cda who will fill your pockets and we all have to accept that? I for one will never accept or bow down to corruption in any form. As with all, the judgement day will come. I'm a firm believer in KARMA, and if I have a hand in it "great," if not, so be it. Either way, life goes on and I live, relax and sleep with a clear mind knowing that I never took advantage of anyone to get where I am in life. I'm sure you can be proud of "yourselves" by being able to say the same. Sleep well....

     
  • meesterbox posted at 5:20 pm on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    meesterbox Posts: 183

    Bionic - we are battling years of bullying, negative, and attacking comments that have left a majority of our reasonable citizens from even reading the comments on this website. So your claim that those commenting on here representation the community support is absurd.

    Times are changing. You will find more and more of us commenting on here to correct all the vitriol usually posted. Many of you have bullied the reasonable voice from this site, but we are going to continue to stand up, correct your inaccurate posts, and provide CdA citizens with the truth.

     
  • cd1013 posted at 5:17 pm on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    cd1013 Posts: 159

    I find it interesting that now Carrie Phillips,( manager of the election office) is contradicting Mr.Hayes who in two different articles published by Cd'A Press stated the signatures were verfiied according to the state's list of registered voters. This has nothing to do with any conspiracy theory, someone is lying. I think that this alone should require that the county hand over all the signatures and a updated registered voters list to an independent auditing company and let them verify these petitions. Because if the head of the department and the manager are making contraditory statements what other administrative incompetence is there?

     
  • bionic man posted at 4:33 pm on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    bionic man Posts: 347

    meeserbox, humanist, timeless, floorist and our new imi-ubu. You all post "your opinion" against all comments. Consider the percentage of positive recall supporters "comments" as opposed to yours. Clearly there are more that want the "chosen 4" out than want to keep them in. An old saying goes, " patience rewards all virtue." Big money and their consorts will eventually be run out and CDA will return to a well respected place to visit. Back in the 60's, this was a beautiful place to visit and live. Now it's trash brought on by the all mighty dollar. I keep my patience, but it's getting thin for staying here. You 5+ commenters and the chosen 4 are the reason this area has been destroyed.

     
  • the floorist posted at 4:06 pm on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    the floorist Posts: 331

    Careful out there, Mr. Myers...

    ...Timeless is a little grumpy...flawed data from the State could initiate a recount using the County's registry...

    This is better than watching five grueling seasons of Lost.

     
  • meesterbox posted at 3:55 pm on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    meesterbox Posts: 183

    Mr. Myers - The petitions are now available for public viewing. Check them out if you want. Also, not sure how you found my comment to be condescending, you were the one that said it was a date :)

     
  • Timeless posted at 3:37 pm on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 479

    Randy Myers:

    "Listen to we Recallers", you say?
    You still don't get it. The majority of the citizens of CDA did not sign your petition. The majority of CDA citizens are not demanding that the LCDC be shut down. I am disappointed that the Park plan is being scaled down and that trailer parking is possibly replacing a green belt in the current plan. But that's what you Recallers wanted, it appears that you got both, a watered down version of a plan that I loved and boat trailer parking for Washingtonians. I never again want to hear you say that the Mayor and Council are not listening to you or maybe I will start screaming that they aren't listening to me!

     
  • inclined posted at 1:52 pm on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    inclined Posts: 682

    This wearing down process is hardly atypical. The possibility of simple miscreant behavior exists. That over a thousand people would sign the petitions, with inadvertent design, much less viscous intent, is out there now. This attrition rate is too obviously suspicious.

    In whole, what, if the sabotage has worked, does that say about the sanctity of the vote? It says:
    to h_ell with the vote. It could say, this is the representative nature of our "create a park" deviants at play.

     
  • Jullee posted at 12:55 pm on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    Jullee Posts: 539

    Recall was not a failure, It was successful in bringing awareness to the public .
    It was successful in showing that there are some very caring people who try to keep the city accountable and are willing to put it all on the line for our community and in the best interest of the tax payers. Hopefully the Mayor and the 3 council members can see there is a problem with their one way thinking and hopefully now they will listen with respect to the people who sign their checks and who they represent. Yes, there are always two sides, that is why it is important to know that there are always options and compromise is a wonderful thing .
    It is not too let the people vote on how their money is being spent. Thank you all for your efforts.

     
  • the floorist posted at 12:39 pm on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    the floorist Posts: 331

    "...Northidahogirl - you can contest the value of your home with the county if your home is assessed at a higher rate than you think it should be. This is just one example of something you could do to help yourself instead of jumping on the recall train...." Meesterbox

    It was kind of a left jab at that poster, MBox. People are entitled to their opinions. Whether they agree or not isn't any body's business. As for the property assessment issue, NIGirl, the local Tax Commission reviews every assessed complaint, however they insist on the tax being paid in full on time before they'll allow you to voice your reservations. In light of prior involvements with the State's taxing authority it's safe to predict that you will receive the same spiel given to everyone else, "Fairness in Equity." That means they screw everyone with equal and balanced measure. Often times an assessment is made by grouping similar homes and lumping all the taxable amenities together based solely on assumption.

    Common complaints are:

    Sloped and or dormered living space in attics. Only the area within the full ceiling height is considered taxable living space.

    Full basements and often daylight basements are taxed incorrectly.

    Rooms with no closets being taxed as bedrooms.

    Exterior forced air fan systems without heat pumps or air conditioning condensers should not be taxed.

    Another thing that can raise your property valuation is LCDC or some other URD...but those guys keep telling everyone that URD's don't raise taxes...so, good luck wrapping your mind around that one.

     
  • meesterbox posted at 12:24 pm on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    meesterbox Posts: 183

    Mr. Myers - There are many citizens happy with the plans for McEuen and the fact that we have a very successful URD in our city. I am not saying move to Post Falls, but I am sure they would enjoy your company.

    Missed you for our date on Monday.

     
  • Ziggy posted at 10:55 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    Ziggy Posts: 1133

    The right thing to do would be to check those voters' signatures who were rejected against county records. That would be fair. The state has had its budget cut and cut again so their info is not always up to date.

     
  • Humanist posted at 10:50 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3034

    Quote BOH: "Many of these properties were never reassessed for the lower value, so most property owners pay far higher taxes than they should. "

    Please do tell us who's properties that you know of who were never reassessed for the lower value. Mine has consistently dropped for the last several years - including my most recent assessment statement.

    I agree with Meesterbox. If you don't think your assessed value is correct, then follow the proper governmental procedures and appeal it.

     
  • mudshark posted at 10:29 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    mudshark Posts: 53

    Ok. Just called Kootenai county voter registration office. I'm a registered voter. But if I had signed the petition I'm not a registered voter, according to idahogov list. Why, if this was a city recall, wouldn't the petition counting use the official county registration list, a list that the county KNOWS hasn't been fully updated into the idahogov. list? Some explaining to do.

     
  • mudshark posted at 9:53 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    mudshark Posts: 53

    BofH----Whose property taxes haven't been reassessed. All my friends, and family have said their assessments have gone down. My has gone down 3 years in a row. It is now where it should be. Close to a 100k drop. Greed has caught up with us all. What was I thinking when I thought my house value had gained 5 times it's value in 20 years?

     
  • mudshark posted at 9:38 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    mudshark Posts: 53

    How can there be 2 lists? I always vote and have no problems when they check my I.D. to their list. I'm always on it, and always have no problem voting for the last 22 years. But I'm not on the www.idahovotes.gov list. I see that there are others here with the same problem. Something is amiss.

     
  • IMI-UBU posted at 9:38 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    IMI-UBU Posts: 98

    Well the sore losers are out and about.
    LOOK!! You lost fair and square.
    Quit crying like little babies and face the fact that you didn't get your way.
    What is really important is where do we go from here.
    Quit feeling sorry for yourselves and start working on a positive way of assisting our GREAT City in moving forward.
    The VOTE does work - The recall didn't.
    Grow up folks, put you verbal stones down and try something useful.

    YES YES YES - No Recall!!!!!!!!

     
  • meesterbox posted at 9:30 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    meesterbox Posts: 183

    BoH and Northidahogirl - I am looking at my current assessment notice from the Kootenai County Assessor and it clearly states:

    Appeals of your property value must be filed in writing on a form provided by the County by:June 25, 2012 5:00pm

    And look at that, there is still a week left to get the appeal form submitted if you believe the assessed value does not reflect your houses worth. Not sure how my comment is ignorant and why would I apologize from showing someone how they can fix something they are complaining about. If anything, Northidahogirl should thank me.

     
  • Betrayer of Hope posted at 9:19 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    Betrayer of Hope Posts: 113

    I guess Meesterbox wasn't around for the housing bubble and 2008 collapse, since has no concept of excess property tax which is a result of assessment at a value far higher than actual worth of the property, which widely took place during the height of the bubble before and collapse. Many of these properties were never reassessed for the lower value, so most property owners pay far higher taxes than they should.

    Meesterbox, you should keep your ignorant comments to yourself. You should also apologize to NorthIdahogirl

     
  • meesterbox posted at 9:19 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    meesterbox Posts: 183

    cgent47 - you really should email, call, or visit the elections office since I am not the expert on the issue, but I did do a bit of research on the matter, so here are my 2 cents.

    You ask is it data provided by our elections office or the state registration list and I will assume you are talking about Idaho State’s Voter Registration System (ISVRS). The answer is both, because they are one in the same. When you turn in your registration card I believe it enter it into the ISVRS by our county elections office. When you request a list of registered voters in CdA, they pull the report from the ISVRS.

    Your main issue is you want to know if you are a registered voter. If you really want to know just go ask so you can find out. I also went to the idahovotes.gov website and I couldn't find myself either, but I am on the registered voter list available at the elections office.

     
  • cgent47 posted at 8:28 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    cgent47 Posts: 192

    meesterbox "The system Hayes and team used uses the data provided by our elections office."

    They were rejected, according to Kootenai County Clerk Cliff Hayes, a Republican, because the names simply didn't appear on the state voter registration list that Hayes's team used to check the signatures.

    Which is it "data provided by our elections office." or the state voter registration list.

     
  • JonnyQPubic posted at 8:24 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    JonnyQPubic Posts: 325

    "Once again, the voters of Coeur d'Alene are denied a public vote," a statement issued by Orzell read.

    Once again, this is/was the single biggest falsehood in the whole effort. A public vote is exactly what WE WOULDN'T GET if the recall passed. Edinger, Gookin & Adams would be hand picking who would take the seats. How would denying this vote be a better idea? It isn't and that's why you failed, people aren't stupid enough to fall into your anger driven rants and allow a puppet council to be appointed.

    A conspiricy? Yes, I believe there was one to take city council over by recall means and install council members who otherwise couldn't get elected or are too afraid to try getting in via a real election process next November.

    This was the ugliest event I've seen in my hometown in almost 60 years and I was ashamed and embarrased, and quite frankly afraid. You lost, get over it. You want to boot your evil four next year, go for it, but do it in a real election. While I know and respect those four people I also think they have taken McEuen in the wrong direction. I would have no problem voting against them if the opponents are worthy. But don't expect your recall gang of Orzell, Souza & Sims-Snyder to get elected, we've already seen what negative impacts they've made on the community and I would never support any of them or their insiders as viable candidates.

    If I was a betting man I'd put money on at least two of the four not even running next year. They were elected and they did their jobs, but the mudslinging negativity from the recall gang would be enough to convince most people not to stay/get involved in local government.

    To Mr. Orzell, thanks for nothing. Move back where you recently came from.

     
  • USCITIZEN posted at 8:22 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    USCITIZEN Posts: 12

    Well. This is a sad day. I wonder how many of the folks chosen to verify the petition signatures are in the mayors pocket? The signatures should have been verified by a completly independent source. Perhaps a company from out of the area paid to handle such issues. So sorry Coeur d'Alene that you are stuck with Sandy and her minions. Next year, get her out. Fix the corruption and greed one government entity at a time.

     
  • meesterbox posted at 8:21 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    meesterbox Posts: 183

    Northidahogirl - you can contest the value of your home with the county if your home is assessed at a higher rate than you think it should be. This is just one example of something you could do to help yourself instead of jumping on the recall train.

     
  • the floorist posted at 8:17 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    the floorist Posts: 331

    I know for a fact that there is a substantial number of people who registered to vote at the same time they signed the petition. I even witnessed it in my kitchen. Did those registrations make it to the voter list and their signatures count? No one from the City seems to want to discuss the simple possibility of allowing outside interests review the petitions against the list the city used AND perhaps another (up-to-date) voter registration list should be employed.

    I'm betting the "list" used for signature/registration comparison is about as complete as Team McEuen's final plans...

     
  • NoName posted at 8:16 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    NoName Posts: 253

    Now we can back to business as usual, let the arrogance continue!!!!!

     
  • cda_boy posted at 8:11 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    cda_boy Posts: 30

    Well then cgent, before you do cry conspiracy, do your homework. You find out if your name in fact wasn't counted, if it wasn't, why wasn't it. Why isn't your hame on www.idahovotes.gov. Their fault; your fault? Ohhhh, another conspiracy there too. I wonder if your vote for Obama counted either?!! This is getting deeper and deeper!!!

     
  • northidahogirl posted at 8:10 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    northidahogirl Posts: 28

    Many people are evidently misunderstanding what "Recall CDA" was really about. It was NOT a personal thing...most of us are just tired of being taxed into the ground due to these officials spending OUR money with no regard to OUR wishes!! Have you seen the homes of these leaders? Maybe if I could afford a home like these it would not bother me to dole out millions of dollars for a fancy park which is an asset to the Resort and tourists! Well, I don't live like that...my husband and I live in a very small 2 bedroom home which we are trying to remodel. Our taxes are based on a value far more than our home is worth! We have far more important issues in this town than wasting...yes, I did say wasting...our taxes on making a fancy park! I don't care if one or all of them are "locals" from way back! I'm also a native of Kootenai County, living most of my life right here in CDA/Hayden area. Watching the changes that have taken place over the past 50+ years...some have been good, others have caused havoc in our community.
    Do I think these 4 will change their tactics now and listen to the people who have spoken? No, I don't. The queen is back on her throne and even though we voted in 3 new faces, her vote is the final one and from what is reported, she votes on the side of her 3 loyal subjects.
    I, too, question what list was used for verification on the signatures since our son's name is not on the state registration list even though he has lived here all his life and voted for the past 8 years in every election! Yep, I smell a rat and it's name is not "Recall CDA"!! It really frightens me to think of the damage these 4 will do in the next year before we are given the opportunity to replace them. Wake up, people!!!

     
  • meesterbox posted at 8:04 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    meesterbox Posts: 183

    cgent47 and others going to a website to see if you are registered - the most current list of voters is available from the Kootenai County Elections office. The system Hayes and team used uses the data provided by our elections office. Instead of sitting here and complaining about it, get off your rumps and go get a copy of the registered voter list.

    And hooray! No recall!

     
  • parent posted at 8:00 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    parent Posts: 347

    My breakfast is not settling very well, I actually feel nauseous!

    We did our best and that is all you can do. At least it's not on our shoulders, it's on theirs, and I'm glad I'm not one of them!

    I'm looking forward to November 2013! We will get there, it just takes persistence.

     
  • cgent47 posted at 7:55 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    cgent47 Posts: 192

    "The reason why is because it's all a huge conspiracy. That's the only plausible answer. I know for a fact that if things don't go my way, it because of the conspiracies that run rampant in this county. GET REAL"

    Not really into conspiracies. More like the truth.

    I want to know if my signature was counted or not. If they used www.idahovotes.gov then my name was not on that list. If my signature was not counted then this counting process was a failure.

     
  • cda_boy posted at 7:53 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    cda_boy Posts: 30

    Ok, here we go. I've been waiting for this moment. Its all over but now come the conspiracy theories, the blame of the Bloom, the crookedness of the Kennedy, the gaffs of the Goodlander and the where's Woody? For something that its legally over, I feel we haven’t heard the last of the whiners! "Can we do this another way against the same people for the same thing? They didn't sign because their names would be published". You will all have the same chance again come November next year. You blame these 4 for wasting tax payer money and then want to figure out a way to do this again? You think people didn't sign in fear of having their names published and repercussions of doing so? Wow, what will they come up with next? This is going to be a fun next few day’s watching these online opinion threads.

     
  • I Carry posted at 7:51 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    I Carry Posts: 430

    Veeeee has some good questions.
    From lessons learned in the just finished signature drive, I bet a new attempt would sail through.
    There does seem to be a difference of opinion as to the lists used. Right now, citizens can actually see problems with our "system." Two lists? Two lists that don't match? Why is there a second list? Who is paying for another (oops--it's us) list?
    For the time being, the Mayor and her crew can strut and cluck around the hen house. But the amazing thing is that they won by default and a numbers game. And they didn't win by much. Some time soon, they need to realize they DO NOT have the support of the general community.
    Now, I wonder if the 3rd St. dock parking is even going to be in the county. I can see it now---drunken boaters can park down at County Line Rd. just North of Plummer. Take that you bad stinky drunk boaters!!!
    Where can we sign up for Bocci ball lessons????? Is that how you spell it?

     
  • mister d posted at 7:51 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    mister d Posts: 1531

    The recallers put out a good effort for a good cause. Thank you.

     
  • Timeless posted at 7:51 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 479

    Both my name and my spouses name appear on the IdahoVotes site without a problem.

     
  • cd1013 posted at 7:03 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    cd1013 Posts: 159

    "providing official voting information for the citizens of Idaho" is what is in the heading on the website.
    www.idahovotes.gov go and see if your name is in their register. Mine isn't and I've lived in my home for over 20 years and registered the as soon as I moved in. I would really like to know why Mr.Hayes didn't use the Kootenai County database and hope the website mentioned wasn't the one he used.

     
  • unfortunate posted at 7:02 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    unfortunate Posts: 7

    cgent47,

    The reason why is because it's all a huge conspiracy. That's the only plausible answer. I know for a fact that if things don't go my way, it because of the conspiracies that run rampant in this county. GET REAL

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 6:54 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    Will the FAB4 take heed or will the arrogance continue? I think we all know the answer to this question.

     
  • cgent47 posted at 6:46 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    cgent47 Posts: 192

    "They were rejected, according to Kootenai County Clerk Cliff Hayes, a Republican, because the names simply didn't appear on the state voter registration list that Hayes's team used to check the signatures."

    I want to know why my name and my wifes name are not on the state voter registration list. We are both registered voters. This can't be the list they used to verify the recall signatures. Something stinks here.

     
  • DeNiles posted at 6:40 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    Considering that the recall was subjected to every possible gov't impediment and that both newspapers sold locally worked in tandem to torpedo the effort... it ...... got ..... very....... excellent...... results. And if indeed there is anyway that the rejected signatures can be challenged it may well still succeed. It is clear that the public is weary of the shenanigans used by these particular leaders. They want it to end. Whether it ends sooner or later is the question.

    And for those unscrupulous people who deployed every ugly and desperate measure to undermine this true grass roots recall effort you are shameful, a disgrace. In the future when your children steal your fortunes leaving you sick and barren just remember that they had excellent role models.

     
  • 1voice posted at 5:43 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    1voice Posts: 56

    So the recall has failed, and I, for one, am glad. It was too much. The targets of the recall really are good people. However, I do believe their was legitimacy to recaller's point, with the McEuen plan being so expensive and having so many unpopular elements. I was disappointed that their response in the paper was just that more communication is needed so that people understand. The fact is, they were wrong about some things, period. What has resulted from the effort? NOW, the city is coming up with some more palatable ideas, such as boat trailer parking near the launch. Citizens do understand what's going on. The mayor and council members don't need to communicate more, they need to LISTEN more.

     
  • Veeeee posted at 5:41 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    Veeeee Posts: 395

    a few questions...Can another citizen begin a new recall effort if they complete the proper paperwork even if they indicate the recall is for the same reasons as a previous failed recall? For signatures on a petition that are disqualified, why would someone sign a petitition if they didn't meet the qualifications to do so and weren't the conditions required to sign such a petition described to citizens before they signed? Could, for example, a group manipulate or "throw" a petition by having people sign the document enmass who are not qualified? Are there laws that address a citizen who unlawfully signs a petition if intent to defraud can be established?

     
  • Jill Heine posted at 5:17 am on Tue, Jun 19, 2012.

    Jill Heine Posts: 408

    Failure is an affirmation that sufficient fear speaking out publicly.

    City workers that fear termination.
    Teachers who fear reprisal.
    Citizens who fear the consequences of a public statement.

    Inclined is correct on the other story bearing this title: Current regime wants to stay in power.
    Threats to publish the Recall list of names had their intended effect.

     
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