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McEuen studies would cost city $60,300

By TOM HASSLINGER/Staff writer

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Posted: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:00 am | Updated: 11:48 am, Fri Nov 16, 2012.

COEUR d'ALENE - The McEuen Field project is moving from conceptual to tangible.

The city of Coeur d'Alene is proposing to extend its contract with the McEuen Field design team, Team McEuen, so the architects and engineers can begin topography and traffic studies to ensure the downtown park's conceptual drawing can be turned into a reality.

"It's starting on the science end," said Dick Stauffer, Miller-Stauffer Architects and Team McEuen designer. "Up until now we've been doing the art end of it. Now we need some science."

The contract would be for $60,300. It would survey the landscape of the park for structure, drainage and other improvements, while the traffic analysis would study traffic movement on downtown streets, including parts of Fourth Street and Front Avenue that could close to cars as part of the plan.

It will also study the traffic movement away from the park to determine impacts on other arterials, including during special events, said Doug Eastwood, parks director.

The city's Public Works Committee recommended Monday the City Council approve the contract extension during its Aug. 2 meeting. Team McEuen designed the conceptual plan for $125,000. It's the first proposed extension on the contract.

Meanwhile, the city still hopes to break ground for the project in spring 2012.

Still undecided is exactly what, and how expensive, that first phase will be.

Lake City Development Corp., the city's urban renewal board, has said it would be willing to assist in funding, but the city hasn't made a formal request.

Stauffer said he wouldn't expect anything out of the ordinary to be revealed during the studies that would change the conceptual design dramatically.

"I don't think the suggestions would have been made in the first place if the science was going to shoot them down," he said.

After the topography and traffic studies are completed, the design team could be ready to draw up the park's blueprint. The city would likely extend Team McEuen's contract as that part of the project comes forward, Eastwood said.

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  • cococo posted at 1:02 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    cococo Posts: 144

    Vote? Really? You might find that the "powers to be" control enough of the stupid sheep to get whatever they want passed.
    TWolf22 hit the nail square on the head. Miller-Stauffer wants a new front yard for their fancy digs (Park Side) and they are actually getting paid to design what you have to pay to put in.

    I live close to a park and my wife really wants a swimming pool.....still trying to work the angles on how to get all of you to pay for it....I'll let you know how it turns out.

     
  • brwing posted at 6:11 pm on Fri, Jul 29, 2011.

    brwing Posts: 23

    What is the source of funds?
    The total bill will not be known until the engineering is complete and bids received and timeframe determined and change clauses calculated.
    My experience in other places is that regardless of claims the project will not impact the taxpayer - it did big-time! They will be back with a bond issue.
    I like the space as it is and do not agree with what is proposed - I have also met few who agreed with the changes. The most grievous is the loss of the launch adjacent to the resort.
    Waterfalls we do not need. Losing surface lots for parking garage means higher cost for parking. Skate park-really? I thought we had one. Loss of right of way on northern edge of park for vehicles will be irritating.
    I think the bill for construction and actual cost will shock you. The bill for maintenance will also be larger than you think to include city services.
    In this economy with cuts coming at the Federal Level - anyone who thinks this will be funded Federally may be dreaming.
    I'd rather see electric trolleys or recreate steamboats than this.
    What is the impact to the IronMan?
    But the biggest distress is from the path the City Council has chosen to ram this through without voter approval.
    And I did not see much of a sales job on why this is necessary and what the benefit is - and who it will benefit. What are the issues with the area as is? I am sure this violates the spirit of the original grant of land.
    I will be watching.


     
  • Billy N posted at 3:24 pm on Fri, Jul 29, 2011.

    Billy N Posts: 38

    Our only option is to vote these clowns out of office. They are out of touch with reality. They only want to enrich themselves. Each citizen needs to get a few people who normally do not vote to go to the polls. Also do not support business inside the LCDC.

     
  • interested bystander posted at 11:43 am on Wed, Jul 27, 2011.

    interested bystander Posts: 5

    city councilman Al Hassel's son works for JUB engineering.

     
  • uncle fester posted at 10:45 am on Wed, Jul 27, 2011.

    uncle fester Posts: 831

    This fee should come straight from the Mayors(the queen mother) and city councils salaries, since they are the ones that want it.

     
  • RadRevD posted at 7:35 am on Wed, Jul 27, 2011.

    RadRevD Posts: 3333

    to straight up...
    Old, moldy shoes are the most comfortable.
    SD271 ponied up $800K for Lakes MS that would never be used.

    CDA must do better than a mere $60K for plans that don't have sufficient time to reach fruition.

     
  • straight up posted at 6:32 pm on Tue, Jul 26, 2011.

    straight up Posts: 928

    Speaking of favorite son firms, does the city ever use any other engineering firm than JUB?

    Parochialism is alive and well in Chicago West.

     
  • Jullee posted at 1:14 pm on Tue, Jul 26, 2011.

    Jullee Posts: 539

    Does anyone know how much the city pays out each month in interest on loans ?
    After the city borrows money from the bank for this park project how will the loans and interest be re-payed ?
    Will they slide it in under general funds ?

     
  • TWolf22 posted at 1:04 pm on Tue, Jul 26, 2011.

    TWolf22 Posts: 56

    The answer to chouli is: Because Miller/Stauffer built the twin towers and have been a driving force behind this entire project. They are going to continue to feed from the taxpayer trough in order to create an atmosphere for the owners and prospective owners of their buildings.
    I think the city should be pushed to give an answer as to why the project is not out for bid. Let's hear them dance around the obvious conflict of interest, if not flat out back room good-ole boy corruption.

     
  • The Late Louis Nizer posted at 12:41 pm on Tue, Jul 26, 2011.

    The Late Louis Nizer Posts: 188

    According to LTRLTR, the resolution said, "Furthermore, expressly resolve that funding for McEuen Park will NOT come from: General Obligation Bonds requested by the city, new property taxes above and beyond those proportionately allocated for such parks and/or stated above, and new levies requested or increased for maintenance and construction of McEuen Park."

    Of course the City won't ask for any of those. All of them would require a vote of the people.

     
  • Jullee posted at 11:02 am on Tue, Jul 26, 2011.

    Jullee Posts: 539

    The Mayor and council keep saying that this plan has been in the works for years...
    Funny ..."they" never asked "us" the tax paying public who actually use the park and boat launch and like it just the way it is. This was not brought up when they ran for office.
    Funny..the city just received accolades for being a great recreation town and the tourist like it just fine.
    Notice Duane's silence as he is the biggest benefactor of tax payers money to get rid of the awful locals. It will be interesting to see where some "private funds" will come from.
    This whole plan of the "downtown gang" is absurd ... unethical and insulting.
    If they where not such a bunch of over-powered arrogant hinny-kissing officials, they would
    LET THE PEOPLE VOTE, but they know what the out come would be. Even if the park turns out to be a beautiful work of art, these officials will leave a negative legacy. Elected for the people ? Don't think so.

     
  • Spikey posted at 9:44 am on Tue, Jul 26, 2011.

    Spikey Posts: 353

    Bottom line in a nut shell, this is obscene! Does anybody here really believe that the CDA council or Miller give a hoot about what people here think or say. They know that the the apathetic voter will let them get away with anything. The ongoing hubris and arrogance of this council simply defies description.

    Chouli...good question albeit rhetorical. In CDA one hand ALWAYS washes another. Just short of criminal, or perhaps.....

     
  • chouli posted at 9:12 am on Tue, Jul 26, 2011.

    chouli Posts: 1264

    why doesn't this proposal for work go out to bid? why does Miller-Stauffer Architects get unconditional ongoing approval to do work on this??

    and why, oh why, is this moving forward at this time? until their golden goose of funding has been located using no tax payer monies...they should stop spending taxpayer money!!

    attention empress bloem and city council cronies: the citizens whom you are supposed to represent do not want this project as it is at this point in time.

     
  • ancientemplar posted at 8:17 am on Tue, Jul 26, 2011.

    ancientemplar Posts: 1144

    You're right LTR and the LCDC money is taxpayer's monies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 7:59 am on Tue, Jul 26, 2011.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    MOTION by Kennedy, seconded by Goodlander, that the council make a resolution to
    provide clarity for funding for McEuen Park which states that the current council cannot
    bind future councils in terms of funding. As a result this informal resolution/pledge
    would only apply to members here today for their terms in office. The resolution would
    state that the funding for McEuen Park come from the following sources: Urban renewal
    districts, grants, Parks Capital Improvement Fund, private donations, service clubs and
    community groups, in-kind contributions of services, general funds dedicated to park
    improvements, dedicating Parking funds, foundations, state, federal, county partnership
    potentials, city departments that would otherwise be involved in the project due to
    proximity to Front Avenue and other utilities (i.e., Streets, Wastewater, Stormwater, etc.),
    Arts Commission. Furthermore, expressly resolve that funding for McEuen Park will
    NOT come from: General Obligation Bonds requested by the city, new property taxes
    above and beyond those proportionately allocated for such parks and/or stated above, and
    new levies requested or increased for maintenance and construction of McEuen Park.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 7:46 am on Tue, Jul 26, 2011.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    The City of Coeur d'Alene Mayor and Council said "NO TAXPAYER DOLLARS WILL BE USED" on this project.

     
  • cdaterry1 posted at 7:40 am on Tue, Jul 26, 2011.

    cdaterry1 Posts: 56

    With dire economic times why would this city spend $$ for a project of this magnitude that was not put before the voters for a public vote....as one comment said....no wonder the USA is in such an economic mess...WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING TO COME FROM???.....3% pay raise for city workers?? - what utter nonsense in these economic times....this kind of behavior by our city govt continues to show the gap between the haves/have Nots is reaaly wide and our "leaders" are completely out of touch with economic reality

     
  • Dan Gookin posted at 7:23 am on Tue, Jul 26, 2011.

    Dan Gookin Posts: 679

    "Somebody step up and stop the madness! "

    Somebody will. But you should:

    1. Get out and vote.
    2. Get everyone you know to get out and vote.
    3. Insist that the City put on an honest, legitimate election.

     
  • Patrick Krapfl posted at 7:09 am on Tue, Jul 26, 2011.

    Patrick Krapfl Posts: 13

    No wonder the US is in such a mess. We have people like this in city and Federal government positions. Again,they say the "Park" will be the reason people visit the Lake City. I say the Lake is the reason. Why are we spending this money? Wait until this Federal Mess can't be resolved and we loose our credit rating and then watch how much this little park will cost the taxpayers.

     
  • idabilly posted at 5:58 am on Tue, Jul 26, 2011.

    idabilly Posts: 390

    Somebody step up and stop the madness!

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 5:26 am on Tue, Jul 26, 2011.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    This is SICKENING.
    The City of Coeurd'alene shoudl be ASHAMED of itself for any of this ignorant stuff. Me, I'm going to personally campaign for replacing any & all of the government officials involved with any and all of this idiocy.

     
  • squirrel nutkin posted at 4:35 am on Tue, Jul 26, 2011.

    squirrel nutkin Posts: 231

    It is so telling that this shill of a fishwrap beats the drum loudly for throwing TAXPAYER money at any boondoggle thought to boost the bottom line of downtown business, and in particular the Cda Resort. This, after lambasting teachers on an hourly basis for every ill known to man. The abuse of taxpayer funds by local business interests is unconscionable but not unexpected.

     
  • DeNiles posted at 2:41 am on Tue, Jul 26, 2011.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    Ya, sure, why not? It is only money, right? Heck when you need more just shake down the taxpayers. Don't forget your raises this year. You've earned them by golly. My heart swells with pride and I tear up every time you write a city check to any of your buddies. I'm getting all choked up now. Gotta run. Sniff. Sniff.

     
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