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Posted: Wednesday, November 3, 2010 12:52 am | Updated: 2:00 am, Wed Nov 3, 2010.


ATHOL — Timberlake Fire Protection District Commissioners Rudy Rudebaugh and Marty Fish will retain their seats after a recall vote on Tuesday.

Votes for recalling Rudebaugh were 645 for and 874 against. Votes for recalling Fish were 642 for and 870 against.

Charlotte Hooper, who oversaw the election, said there's more than 1,100 voters in Athol and more than half of them voted. Hooper said Athol's Precinct 3 made the biggest difference in retaining the commissioners as about 250 more voted in favor of keeping them than recalling them.

"There were no lull times in any of the precincts," Hooper said. "People really came out to vote."

A simple majority — 50 percent plus one — and one more vote than each commissioner received in last November's election was needed for the proposals to pass.

Fish and Rudebaugh could not be reached for comment on Tuesday.

The fire district serves the Athol and Bayview areas in northern Kootenai County and a small part of southern Bonner County.

Rudebaugh has served as commissioner for Zone 4, which is Athol, northwest of Athol and the Parks/U.S. 95 area.

Fish is commissioner for Zone 2, which includes northeast of Athol and the Good Hope area.

Both of their terms expire in 2013.

Recall proponents said that, contrary to some beliefs, the proposals to oust the commissioners were not about the firing of former Chief Jack Krill this year nor the subsequent agreement with Northern Lakes Fire to oversee the management of the district. Northern Lakes is the district south of Timberlake that covers Hayden, Hayden Lake and Rathdrum.

Recall advocates say they were upset about the commissioners not allowing public comment and a lack of public notice before those decisions regarding Krill and the management contract were made.

But Rudebaugh earlier said that the commissioners agreed to make statements and press releases from the board as a whole to protect the liability of the district. He denied there were any gag orders.

Fish and Rudebaugh were accused of violating open meeting laws by fellow commissioner Jon Guinn and the recall petition, but Kootenai County Prosecutor Barry McHugh cleared them of wrongdoing.

The petition also accused the commissioners of obtaining unnecessary legal advice and excessive special meetings, driving up costs. But the commissioners said legal advice and special meetings are part of responsible management.

Recall proponents say the commissioners tightened the district's budget to the point that it has faulty equipment, but the commissioners maintained the fleet is still operational and passed inspections.


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  • justeatdonuts posted at 5:20 am on Sun, Nov 7, 2010.

    justeatdonuts Posts: 78

    Jeff, someday I will introduce myself to you. JooeIdaho's suggestion is a good one, simply talking to those involved would make so much more sense.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 3:43 pm on Fri, Nov 5, 2010.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    OK Wherley, now I get it.
    Marty Fish is controlled by Alien Rich People. (ARPS) These ARPS come to Earth to collude with Marty, and NO ONE ELSE. After they collude, Marty (obviously) starts to DESTROYYYYYYYY all working relationships with people; starting with YOU (of course).
    Just go talk to him. Try to be normal.

  • votenoonrecall posted at 1:40 pm on Fri, Nov 5, 2010.

    votenoonrecall Posts: 5

    Dear Mr. Wherley..... I have decided a better name to suit your character shall be "Chicken Little" -
    As if you recall..... The toon character that you portray was always crying that "the sky is falling, the sky is falling"...... He tried to frighten everyone into giving in to his beliefs, which you ramble on and do numerous times, while acting out in public. We all know how the story ended......... Get a Life!!!

  • justeatdonuts posted at 7:12 am on Fri, Nov 5, 2010.

    justeatdonuts Posts: 78

    I do not know Marty personally but I have watched him and Rudy at the Commissioners meetings. I am impressed that they are both working on running the meetings in a professional manner. I am glad that both of them are being retained. After watching some of the theatrics displayed at the Commissioners Meetings, I thrilled that these two stayed with TLFPD.

    I do not understand Jeff's position nor his continued harassment of those who oppose his views.

    Thank you JoeIdaho for speaking up.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:32 am on Fri, Nov 5, 2010.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Got it; Wherley.
    Now, since I stand behind a friend, Marty; I'm what...
    A "Liar", "not a friend", "not a Constitutionalist", blah blah blah.
    You need to chill, Jeff. Maybe go TALK to Marty in person rather than this incessant garbage you spout. I personally think Marty intimidated you; he challenged you to go outside & ever since then, you've been in this weak kneed position where you think you have to attack him personally, and now me, too.
    Myself, I'm not going to defend as there is no need. Marty, who DOESN'T come on these boards, well, I said my piece on him.
    Too bad you so scared of big bad Marty, Jeff. IF you actually just took the time to go speak with him instead of making all these crybaby noises you'd get the idea that he's very decent, and that he'll try to help any way he can, as LONG AS he's not being savagely attacked, like you do constantly in everything you post.
    And one more thing.....
    Your interpetation/rant on the Constitution is wrong; at a minimum. I won't go into detail about how or why; just read the document first.

  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 4:24 pm on Thu, Nov 4, 2010.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969


    You are a confusing person. You cliam to be a Constitutionalist, and a Tea Party Advocate. But you thinl somehow the states must follow the constitution. Did you know there is nothing in the US Constitution that would keep a state form becoming a dictatorship, if the people of that state wanted it that way? I am a Constitutionalist, and your claims That state or local government has no rights over private property in allot of your comments are wrong, if the state or local government have no laws to preclude it. If the Federal Government tried the same things, you would be right. Local Governments can Constitutionally be Dictatorial if the people allow it. Your Friend Marty here in TFPD is Proof of this.

  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 3:49 pm on Thu, Nov 4, 2010.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969


    This is humorous, I'll bite.

    Please do tell us one original thought Marty has had since he became a commissioner, inside or outside the box. Just one, and remember HIS ideas not someone else's that he tries to claim as his.

    And if you have known him for so long, you have to have seen him, try to bully people, by yelling at them "You want to take this outside" over a dozen in this district have seen it and at least 3 have been the recipients, in 8 months. If you deny him ever being this way, you are either not as close a friend as you say, or Your as big a lier as he is.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 7:33 am on Thu, Nov 4, 2010.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    I know Marty Fish from positions that have nothing to do with his commitments to the fire district, and I can tell you that he is honest & decent, he is NOT motivated by running people over, and Jeffrey, your comment that he doesn't have an original thought is proof that you just don't know him, because Marty is nothing BUT outside of the box thoughts, and the guy loves to help people.
    I've purposely stayed out of this discussion since it started, as I don't live in your area & I wasn't going to be part of your vote. Now that it's done, I can, again, tell you that all of this negative stuff about Marty is just flat out wrong; your area is LUCKY to have Marty, he's just an upstanding guy, period.

  • Norma Jean posted at 9:08 pm on Wed, Nov 3, 2010.

    Norma Jean Posts: 29

    Bayviewisdandy - I share your views, what a waste of money and time.
    I have complete faith in our firefighters and our commissioners. Well, I do have to question Jon's motives.
    Congratualtions Rudy and Marty, thanks for staying with the district.

    Jeffrey don't quit your day job.

  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 5:40 pm on Wed, Nov 3, 2010.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969

    If you want a fire district that can only protect a fire from spreading to the next house or business, than keep on this path to ruin with rudy and marty. Without the ability to do interior attacks, NO HOUSE CAN BE SAVED. Our firefighter will only be able to show up and watch it burn down. Is this what you want your 9 dollars a month to go to?
    Rudy is on the record of telling Bayview residents to get a 50 foot hose if they want to save their trailers or floating homes, we don't have the money to do it as a district. also is on the record as this is only a 1/2 day a month job and his personal life is more important than our district.
    Marty just doesn't have an original thought in his limited mind, and "you want to take this outside", is his canned response to opposition.

    The clowns are here in town for the next 3 years, just make sure if you pop and popcorn you have your own hose ready.

  • bayviewisdandy posted at 3:47 pm on Wed, Nov 3, 2010.

    bayviewisdandy Posts: 5

    Let us now recall Guinn who started this whole thing. The select Bayview group along with their ringleader, Commissioner Guinn caused the Timberlake Fire District around $5,000 to run this election, not to mention all the other lawyer costs and time wasted.
    Commissioner Guinn, you should be ashamed of yourself. It's time to get along or leave.
    Congrats to Rudy and Fish.

  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 10:41 am on Wed, Nov 3, 2010.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969

    NO Quillin, AKA justeatdonuts

    I for one will continue to fight for improvements in our fire protection. The lies cannot continue. These 2 will either have to change to allow both sides to be considered or we are in for 3 long years of strife. My neighbors have a right to fire protection that can save their homes and families not just a fire department that will show up and put water on the outside of a house and watch it burn. Our Current budget doesn't provide the ability to save homes just to keep them from spreading to another home.

  • justeatdonuts posted at 9:37 am on Wed, Nov 3, 2010.

    justeatdonuts Posts: 78

    Jeff, quit already.

  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 9:23 am on Wed, Nov 3, 2010.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969

    To whom it may concern,

    "Do to my work schedule and other personal items I must attend to I will not look at your request (more of a demand) until shortly before the next regular BOC meeting.
    I as you are a commissioner 1-2 days a month, this is neither my full time job nor yours. " David 'rudy Rudebaugh.

    This is truly a dedicated public servant.

  • justeatdonuts posted at 9:18 am on Wed, Nov 3, 2010.

    justeatdonuts Posts: 78

    Thank you both Rudy and Marty for sticking to your beliefs. Now maybe the district can move forward in a positive fashion.

    I hope this next year is smoother for both of you.

  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 9:15 am on Wed, Nov 3, 2010.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969


    This is No mandate. A Recall election is as hard to do as a constitutional amendment. Petitioners are held to higher legal restraints than the officers they are trying to bring home for chastisement. If Rudy and Marty think that this is a mandate for them to continue their ignoring part of their constituents than they are truly dictatorial in their rule, and things will not get better for them or this district.

    It took 3% of this nation to fight off the British and bring A new form of government to the world, you are proving that without constant vigilance, 3% can pull it down. Most of the voters outside of bayview and athol know only the lies from Rudy's mouth and the constrained word of the petitioner on the ballot. Working within a budget is laudable but if that budget is 15 years old it's not a move forward.

  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 9:03 am on Wed, Nov 3, 2010.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969

    Flames?? No 640+ voters that know the issues voted for their removal. Of the 870+ how many never saw anything about this till they had to read that pack of lies rudy and marty put on the ballot. If that was my first sight of the issue I would have voted to retain these two punks. Someone was out yesterday pulling down signage for the recall.

    Don't keep spreading this lie for them Mr Walker, a little effort of your part would tell this lie for what it is. "Fish and Rudebaugh were accused of violating open meeting laws by fellow commissioner Jon Guinn and the recall petition, but Kootenai County Prosecutor Barry McHugh cleared them of wrongdoing"
    That was about one meeting and not the more flagrant vioalantions, the recall petition was written before the meeting that was turned into the prosecutor so it was that violation that the recall was talking about. Also if I were a county Prosecutor I would not waste the $1000's of dollars to prosecute a misdemeanor that carry's a find of $75. When I was a committee man if there was a violation, which sometimes it's hard to avoid, you announce it at the next meeting after you find the issue and say we will try not to let this happen again. This is transparency, and retains trust.

    "The petition also accused the commissioners of obtaining unnecessary legal advice and excessive special meetings, driving up costs. But the commissioners said legal advice and special meetings are part of responsible management." Responsible Management is the commissioners making decisions at the Meetings, Which has action of law, and then if their are questions as to legalize or content Then referring it to the counsel for advice. Paying for a lawyer to sit at almost ever meeting and asking his opinion before very action has put a 6th voice on the board. Talking over issues that will come before the board with the lawyer before the issue is to the board is not the proper way, it points to contrivance. As when Rudy asked "why they Fired the Chief the way they did?" He stated, " Because we didn't want it to be derailed!"

    Now that we are stuck with these idiots for 3 years the voter will find out how fast a fire district can collapse if every option, including a possibility of revenue increases are not looked at. We are working on a budget that is 15 years old, and was designed for a all volunteer district. After 15 years of cost of living inflation and now trying to maintain a 24 hr district the Lack of foresight and reason are going to continue.

  • Skywalker posted at 6:52 am on Wed, Nov 3, 2010.

    Skywalker Posts: 17

    Well Bayview Clowns,
    Yes Van Luker, Mobile Homer Dameo, Gutter Waller with bulldog DA, Bayview DAC - Why don't you just go and start your own fire district. Obviuosly the majority has spoken and got you figured out. See if you really follow thru with your words or was it another lie.
    Where is Whailer when we need him to write a book.
    Congrats to Rudy and Marty - just carry out the peoples mandate and don't succumb to BS groups agenda.

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