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Concealed weapons cost shoots up

Fee for permit renewal criminal background check goes from $5 to $20

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Posted: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:00 am

COEUR d'ALENE - Concealed weapons carriers in Kootenai County will fork over more cash to renew their permits, due to a newly approved fee hike.

But that doesn't seem to rankle gun owners.

"I figure with the cost of guns and ammo, just a couple dollars more isn't going to crimp the business," said Nathaniel Pulliam, safety officer at the Coeur d'Alene Rifle and Pistol Club.

The Kootenai County commissioners on Tuesday voted 2-0 to raise the fee for a permit renewal criminal background check from $5 to $20.

The commissioners made the fee retroactively effective for Oct. 2, to coordinate with the date of the state's same fee change.

The county has to match the state's rate, explained Maj. Ben Wolfinger with the Kootenai County Sheriff's Department. The county simply collects the fees and passes them on to the state, he said, which conducts the background checks.

"We have no control over what the state charges," Wolfinger said, attributing the state's higher fee to the cost of doing business.

"We have no overhead cost on this. We make no money off this."

The state is raising concealed weapon permit fees over a stepped period, according to staff at the state Bureau of Criminal Identification.

The state's fingerprint fee for new permit background checks also rose this year from $10 to $17.50. It will rise to $25 next July.

The only fee boost the county will see for now is for the renewal background check, confirmed Linda Mattos, records supervisor with the sheriff's department.

But the county will have to bump up fees again next year to meet the state's increase, she said.

"We match what the state's charging," Mattos said.

Because of the lag time after reminder renewal notices are mailed, Wolfinger said gun owners shouldn't be affected by the raised fee until November.

Kootenai County charges $20 for original issuance of a 5-year CWP, $34 for the initial criminal background check and $5 for the permit itself and a reminder mailer.

For renewal permits, applicants must pay $15 for the renewal, $5 for the permit itself and a reminder mailer, and now $20 for an updated criminal background check.

Only a few gun owners have complained about fees, Wolfinger said.

"We explain, 'this is just what the state charges us,'" he said. "They may not like it, but they realize it's not our fault."

There's no doubting the popularity of CWPs in Kootenai County. The sheriff's department issued 1,173 concealed carry permits last year. Lt. Andy Boyle said on Wednesday that the county has issued roughly 900 applications for new CWPs this year, and about 675 for renewals.

Owner of a concealed weapon for six years, Pulliam said he doesn't mind paying a little more to keep it.

"It would probably be a good idea to raise those fees," Pulliam said, adding that there might be high costs for processing information. "Just to help out with those costs."

Ed Santos, owner of Center Target Sports in Post Falls, said there are other issues besides costs that irk local gun owners.

"What would go a long way to getting concealed weapons applicants to accept the new fee is to speed up the investigative process," said Santos, who has heard of applications taking up to 12 weeks to process through the county. "That's been the biggest frustration, people concerned with how long it takes to do the background check."

Neither fees nor long waits will likely stop people from seeking concealed weapons, Santos acknowledged.

He pointed out that Center Target Sports has trained 8,000 students in its concealed carry class.

"(Protection) is one of the biggest motivators we see," he said, happy to share anecdotes about students who went on to intercede in violent situations. "People understand that the ultimate need to self-protect is their own."

Bob Reish of Post Falls, who stopped by Center Target Sports on Wednesday for target practice, said he does plan to renew his CWP, with the knowledge that the higher fee makes the permit possible.

"Of course when anything goes up, it's never pleasant," Reish said. "But with the background checks, I know there's a reason for it."

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  • flattopramen posted at 1:41 pm on Thu, Jan 17, 2013.

    flattopramen Posts: 140

    Idahoans don't have any control of their state much less their country. Like most people says it's profit maker, these are politicians why are you surprised?

  • local res posted at 7:43 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    local res Posts: 1164

    voxpop using your logic the ability to have free speech should also have the requirement of a permit. More people are injured each day by what one person says to another person.

  • charliek60 posted at 3:13 pm on Thu, Oct 18, 2012.

    charliek60 Posts: 204

    Shoot 1st ask questions later.

    If your born to get shot , you'll never get hung.

    Besides if the weapons concealed , who is going know if your "packing" ?

    Love God , Love People

  • IdahoMan posted at 2:05 pm on Thu, Oct 18, 2012.

    IdahoMan Posts: 100

    Maybe junk like this will get people to start asking "Why is the permit-system still in place?"

    Vermont, Alaska, Wyoming, and Arizona respect a person's RKABA (no permits).

  • Triumph posted at 1:40 pm on Thu, Oct 18, 2012.

    Triumph Posts: 574

    Vox,,,, Is there a specific constitutional amendment that protects a person's right to drive drunk?

  • Enough Already posted at 10:10 am on Thu, Oct 18, 2012.

    Enough Already Posts: 205

    Opps, there is this little thing called State LAW!

    IC 63-1311A. No taxing district may make a decision approving a fee increase that is in excess of five percent (5%) of the amount of the fee last collected or a decision imposing a new fee, unless it first holds a hearing upon such proposed fee increase or fee imposition at a regular or special meeting of the district's governing body and after it gives public notice of such hearing in the manner provided in this section. Any taxing district that is required to hold a hearing and give public notice of the hearing as provided in this section, and which fails to do so, shall have the validity of all or a portion of the fee increase that it collects be voidable.

  • CHSdad posted at 9:14 am on Thu, Oct 18, 2012.

    CHSdad Posts: 372

    Redline, if the Sheriff's department donation helps just a handful of people and reduces burglaries that should be a good thing. Unless you are simply disappointed at a possible reduction in people you can shoot, that is.

  • REDLINE posted at 8:41 am on Thu, Oct 18, 2012.

    REDLINE Posts: 98

    Wolfinger can give $40,000 of seized drug assets (belonging to the taxpayer) to a wasteful project but can't give a dime to cut the CCW costs!

    Don't vote for him!

  • idahoguy posted at 6:52 am on Thu, Oct 18, 2012.

    idahoguy Posts: 932

    I simply place this piece of news into the puzzle which is revealing the hyper inflation spiral we are heading down. Thus as it unfolds and civil unrest, riots , crime, govt crack downs and much more transpire having a concealed carry will truly be worth about any price.

    Having in place the means and ability to defend yourself will aid you greatly as you are eating well while most are not. But then again if you have not taken the steps to be ready in all the other areas your gun will do you little good....

  • voxpop posted at 5:26 am on Thu, Oct 18, 2012.

    voxpop Posts: 738

    Idahoman - the same logic can be used to permit drunk driving. If I don't hurt anyone or hit anything why shouldn't I be allowed to do what I want. Is it just a matter of odds? A little inconvenience for you makes it safer for the rest of us.

  • IdahoMan posted at 4:23 am on Thu, Oct 18, 2012.

    IdahoMan Posts: 100


    You have a Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Why are you asking PERMITion to exercise it? You can "Open Carry" at the age of 18yr and up in Idaho.. No unconstitutional permit, No unconstitutional background-check, No unconstitutional fees. It's your right.

    It should frustrate any Idahoan that this state hasn't crossed-out its concealed carry laws by now. I thought we were supposed to be better than this, a really pro-gun state.

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