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Posted: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 11:29 am | Updated: 8:07 am, Fri May 4, 2012.

COEUR d’ALENE — A recording of an apparent recall petitioner soliciting signatures reveals that the petitioner used wrong information while attempting to get at least one person to sign.

The recording turned over to The Press Tuesday took place on Tubbs Hill around 2:30 p.m. Sunday, according to the person who provided the tape.

The person who recorded the conversation via cell phone did not want his name in the story, but the recording tracks several minutes of apparent conversation between him and another male apparently trying to gather signatures on a recall petition seeking a recall election against four Coeur d’Alene officials.

The Press cannot authenticate the recording. Frank Orzell, RecallCdA organizer, said Tuesday and Wednesday he did not have time to come to The Press office to listen to the recording and comment on it. The Press does not plan a story for the print edition since neither camp is willing to speak on the record.

The petitioner in the recording says the McEuen Field project will cost $40 million and raise property taxes by 18 percent, and that the plan calls for re-doing all the trails on Tubbs Hill, both of which are untrue.

The redone trails on Tubbs Hill, the petitioner stated, will make the hiking destination more “commercialized.”

He also said that if the recall is successful, voters will be able to choose the officials’ replacements in a November election — another inaccurate statement. If all four are recalled, the remaining council would appoint all but one of the replacements.

The Press knows the identity of the individual who recorded the conversation, and we know the first name of the petitioner. Recall CdA organizer Frank Orzell did not deny or confirm that they have a petitioner by that name, when asked about it.

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94 comments:

  • Rationale posted at 6:44 pm on Wed, May 9, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1973

    concerned,

    What I have noticed is they won't even address my questions.

    They sidestep them with more lies, which is why I keep pressing. I would go away if I could get any of them to actually tell the truth and honestly address my 3 simple questions.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 6:07 pm on Wed, May 9, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    Rationale,

    Notice when the "stockholders are confronted with the truth it's "Peace. I'm out."?

     
  • chouli posted at 1:38 pm on Tue, May 8, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1264

    humanist and timeless:

    there's no crow to be eaten.
    it's unclear what the details are in this petition-gate.
    who knows. it could be a misinformed person or it could be deliberate misrepresentation. it could be someone from the anti-recall team. we just don't know. move forward.

    there's no reason for you to celebrate. it's not over.
    you need to realize that with or without this recall drive, the current powers that be will not survive past the november 2013 election. recall or no recall. the GOBs need to turn up their prince cd and realize that they had better party like its 1999...cuz that party is coming to an end. peace out...

     
  • Humanist posted at 8:30 pm on Mon, May 7, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 2997

    @Rationale: I know you are, but what am I? :)

    Peace. I'm out.

     
  • Rationale posted at 8:23 pm on Mon, May 7, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1973

    Humanist,

    I already have my answer. Their lack of action says it all. You are the one who needs help, because your blind allegiance is making you look bad. You might have to admit you were lied to.

    To quote Colonel Nathan Jessop: You can't handle the truth!

     
  • Humanist posted at 7:55 pm on Mon, May 7, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 2997

    @Rationale: Get off your lazy keester, make some phone calls, and answer your questions instead of going on, and on, and on, ad nauseum about "why haven't we heard anything?" here. Your actions speak louder than words......

     
  • Rationale posted at 6:52 pm on Mon, May 7, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1973

    Humanist,

    Their actions, or lack thereof, speak louder than words.

     
  • Humanist posted at 12:43 pm on Mon, May 7, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 2997

    Quote Rationale: "Why should I contact them."

    Uh, because you're the one asking the question?? Try going to the source instead of spewing speculation.

     
  • Rationale posted at 12:15 pm on Mon, May 7, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1973

    Humanist,

    Why should I contact them. Their silence is deafening. Their lack of action is telling.

    And don't forget my stance: if this guy is not a plant, he is a liar and needs to be prosecuted for the felony he committed.

    Unlike you, I don't make excuses to justify lying. If this wasn't a ruse, then this guy committed a felony and needs to be dealt with immediately.

    Stop with the politics, games, and lying!

     
  • Rationale posted at 12:07 pm on Mon, May 7, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1973

    Being nice by going to the press...now that's funny.

    Get the person's name plastered everywhere instead of a little blurb in the court section that no one reads.

    Yeah, a regular Mother Teresa.

    Nice try.

     
  • Loquitur posted at 10:31 am on Mon, May 7, 2012.

    Loquitur Posts: 8

    Perhaps the anti-recaller was being nice by going to the Press instead of the police.....

     
  • Humanist posted at 9:52 am on Mon, May 7, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 2997

    Rationale: Try contacting either of the people in this quote and ask what the status is. You probably won't get many answers as to the status of the investigation here.

    "Kootenai County Clerk Cliff Hayes just told The Press he would like to see a legal investigation of the recording.

    Hayes said he will ask Coeur d'Alene Police Chief Wayne Longo to have the department open an investigation."

     
  • Rationale posted at 9:41 am on Mon, May 7, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1973

    Humanist,

    Yeah, this is going to take a long time to investigate. There is a tape, Orzell confirms the guy's identity, and the guy does exactly what Hayes warned both sides against.

    Yup...this should take weeks to investigate.

    What, exactly needs to be investigated? There is enough evidence for an arrest. The case won't hit trial for months, so there's plenty of time to get the stories straight.

    Not much speculation, Humanist. If this was a murder-for-hire, that tape would be grounds for an immediate arrest.

    Notice how you avoid the other "factual" inconsistencies.

    So, Humanist, when would anybody who witnessed a felony go to the newspaper instead of the police? Oh, wait, in your world, that's normal behavior.

     
  • Humanist posted at 8:44 am on Mon, May 7, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 2997

    Quote Rationale: Gee, a felony is committed, the identity of the perpetrator is known, yet no arrest."

    Cliff Hayes requested that an investigation be done. You might want to check on the status of that investigation prior to spewing wildly speculative statements.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 6:54 am on Mon, May 7, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    Rationale

    These people do not posses to power of deductive reasoning. If they did they would CLEARLY see;

    the LCDC is "taxation without representation"

    the LCDC does in fact raise taxes to EVERYONE in the county

    the city has NOT rescinded the $39 million

    those "poor little anti girls" born with a silver spoon in their mouths have no FREAKING idea what the rest of the community is going through, losing jobs, homes, and losing everything tearing families apart.

    AND FINALLY

    You are correct "Gee, a felony is committed, the identity of the perpetrator is known, yet no arrest. A felony is committed, and the witness goes to the newspaper, not the police.
    First, it's a tape dropped off, now it's a cell phone.
    Yeah, Humanist...nothing to see here. Just keep walking...nothing to see here."

     
  • Rationale posted at 10:22 pm on Sun, May 6, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1973

    Humanist,

    Gee, a felony is committed, the identity of the perpetrator is known, yet no arrest. A felony is committed, and the witness goes to the newspaper, not the police.

    First, it's a tape dropped off, now it's a cell phone.

    Yeah, Humanist...nothing to see here. Just keep walking...nothing to see here.

     
  • Humanist posted at 6:55 pm on Sun, May 6, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 2997

    Quote Rationale: "All this, and there's no possibility that this supposed "recaller" is a plant?"

    Conspiracy theorist much, Rationale?

     
  • Rationale posted at 9:50 pm on Sat, May 5, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1973

    Timeless,

    Let's see:

    They know the guy who did this. Yet, for some reason, this person somehow escapes prosecution for a felony.

    His actions come shortly after an article in the paper warns both sides it is a felony for this exact behavior...yet this guy blatantly ignores the warning.

    Then comes the recording, which everybody says is on a cell phone. Yet the article says he handed over a tape.

    Yet, no names are divulged...not the offender, not the snitch. No arrest for a felony.

    All this, and there's no possibility that this supposed "recaller" is a plant?

    Yeah, right.

     
  • Humanist posted at 3:32 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 2997

    ( Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? )

     
  • Timeless posted at 7:09 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 476

    For all of you conspiracy theorists: How
    does that crow taste this morning, now that Orzell has finally fessed up that the recording is real and that the petitioner IS from their camp?
    ( crickets? )

     
  • Enough Already posted at 7:16 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Enough Already Posts: 202

    For the naysayers, perhaps it wasn’t a real petition or someone who wasn’t genuinely working for the Recall effort. Could it be someone acting in bad faith to hurt the Recall effort or an overzealous untrained worker or volunteer – could be? On the other hand hopefully some steps were taken to obtain a photocopy of ones ID whether a hire or volunteer for those going into the field. Retention of a schedule for those in the field would be another good idea so long as they can be identified. Still this is not a business or everyday routine so hopefully they didn’t get infiltrated with an unscrupulous worker. Time will tell - a picture would have been helpful either way.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 7:11 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    I was wondering how long it would take for thommy, who doesn't even live here, show up in favor of socialism.

     
  • local res posted at 6:01 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    local res Posts: 1162

    So when do all the decline to sign posters come down from public property?

     
  • local res posted at 5:59 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    local res Posts: 1162

    Wow, the blog on this page is incriminating stuff. How many other citizens have been deceived as a result of all the hot air and anger on this page?

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 5:58 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969

    Enough Already,

    If they went to the police they would have to file a police report. Filing a False police report is a crime still isn't it?

     
  • Enough Already posted at 5:34 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Enough Already Posts: 202

    Terrific technology those phones are amazing and along with some advanced planning just that much more amazing, maybe one day the technology will exist for these phones to have cameras where a picture could have been taken at some point since so much advanced effort went into gathering the recording and the repeated questions. Hmmmm maybe the phones will be able to take some video one-day also. Yep and heck with going to the police take it to the paper. They require posting a full name to publish an opinion but here nothing in print so they just put in on their website and that’s OK. That is some top-notch journalism; just not in this Country.

     
  • RadRev2D posted at 4:39 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    RadRev2D Posts: 372

    no snarky remard Hummie...

    thanks for Voice Memo - still trying to figure out how to download or feature it.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 3:59 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Citizens,

    Recallers only want to be heard and have an advisory vote to share their thoughts on what they desire for our community. They have nothing else to gain.

    Anti-Recallers are from the business community. They support the "NO Vote" coming from our city leaders. What do they have to gain?....Some have real estate that will increase in value, some desire more tourists to support their businesses, and some want to sell their condos. The majority of these folks are in the downtown core. They desire to keep those in power who will support their efforts/goals/desires.

    Have you ever seen such a nasty effort in protecting that power. Carefully look at all the stall tactics, plans to discredit those who support the recall, and who is protecting their pocket book. There is a huge amount of fear being displayed. I wonder why? I know the answer. Do you?

     
  • larrie039 posted at 1:01 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    larrie039 Posts: 1

    Recall I hope so! If this was an actual Recall CDA person they are misinformed, to bad. I'm not convinced it was. There's to many other more important issues to have made up the one's on tape.
    What 18% property tax hike? Lets see if any of you can figure this % out? 2006 I paid $3354 in property tax, same house nothing changed except the economy, 2011 I paid $7188. How much of an increase is that? More than 18%? You bet! PS Has your home appreciated the last few years, mine either. Even with my $100,000 homestead exemption, my house is still valued over $100,000 more that I could hope to sell it for.
    Do I think they are building The Park for Free? Only an idiot would think so. Not even with the TAXPAYER FUNDED LCDC FUNDS. This city is being run by the same incompetent type of Tax & Spend Politicians as our Federal Government. The City Council can't print money, but they do have the LCDC Fund which has the same resolute as printing money, for them.
    YES, IF YOU LIVE IN CDA YOU ARE PAYING INTO THE LCDC through YOUR PROPERTY TAXES, EITHER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY! IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE LCDC FUNDING WAKE UP AND FIND OUT HOW IT WORKS!

     
  • Always Curious posted at 11:54 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Always Curious Posts: 444

    @chouli .... "I have never before heard of this level of attack on a recall petition drive. "

    I've thought the same, just incredible. That is were the real shame lies. What arrogant disdain for another's rights as a citizen.

    What's next supposed threats? Mysterious packages, etc.


     
  • 1voice posted at 9:57 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    1voice Posts: 56

    A lesson for all - Never sign a petition without reading it. Frankly, I'm glad the names weren't published even though in Idaho it's legal for only one person to be aware of a conversation being recorded (the one doing it). Smart phones can put everyone's lives on the Internet.

     
  • Spikey posted at 9:49 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Spikey Posts: 351

    Whether or not the man answering questions was actually a recall worker, this conversation was planned by the anti recall group. The questioner constantly repeated the same questions. The Press is guilty of the worst kind of Goebbels type propaganda. Non journalism at it's worst. Shame on you Mr. Patrick, I expect more from you. However, not at all surprised that Hasslinger wrote this article. This would be thrown our of court. Not authenticated. But it will be very detrimental to the recall effort. Who immediately goes to the press to report an alleged felony. If the police investigate this absurdity, perhaps they should further investigate Adam Graves suggesting phony signatures. Didn't see that happening. How can anyone give credence to a recording that is not authenticated. But sadly, they will. The dirty tricks pulled by the Mayor and her group simply go on forever. What a city!

     
  • Thaddeus posted at 9:46 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Thaddeus Posts: 232

    @Humanist,

    They're just being perfect examples of the ramifications of ingesting lead paint chips as children.


    Be gentle with them, they can't help themselves.

     
  • Humanist posted at 9:22 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 2997

    Quote Jeffrey Wherley: "This is, like, Studio Quality, Man."

    Quote Rationale: "Sorry, but this is a complete fabrication. "

    Quote RadRev2D: "STAGED...TOTALLY STAGED!"

    You guys are cracking me up this morning!

     
  • JonnyQPubic posted at 8:13 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    JonnyQPubic Posts: 325

    "Recall CdA organizer Frank Orzell did not deny or confirm that they have a petitioner by that name when Tom Hasslinger asked him about it." That in itself speaks volumes. If it wasn't a Recall rep don't you think Mr. Orzell would say so?

    And no, apathoid, Ms. Souza is certainly not a MILF from outer space.

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 8:01 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969

    Gee the clarity on this recording is great. I wish my cell phone could pickup two people so evenly, Its almost like the mic was either held close even distance from both mouths or 2 mics. I bet the people would like all recordings to be this clear, 911 can't even get it this good, Amazing.

    This is, like, Studio Quality, Man.

     
  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 4:29 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969

    Nothing new for anti-recall efforts.
    In our recall, they went to people that signed and interviewed them to try an get them to say they were lied to, to get their signature. They had people sign and then later come out to say they where forced, also.

    Never anything more than stories, but once the doubt is placed, it's hard to ignore. There would be no recall effort if these people weren't sleazy, so Sleazy tactics that are unsubstantiated are par for the course.

    I hope they not only investigate for the petitioner but all the recorder and see if he is part of the anti-recall group or an anonymous blogger, that was one of those that post an idea like this, to discredit the drive.

     
  • Rationale posted at 11:37 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1973

    Once again, you don't report a crime to the newspaper. You report it to the police.

    Quite convenient that someone witnesses a crime, and the first person they think to contact is the newspaper.

    Sorry, but this is a complete fabrication.

    Until the Press shares the names of the actors in this play, they are absolutely worthless.

    Where have we seen this before? Oh, wait...Phil Hart. Here's a man I would never vote for, but they create a story where there is none. He does nothing wrong(he spent campaign money on a lawyer, which is apparently acceptable and normal), but they frame it like he broke a rule or regulation.

    How do these people actually look at themselves in the mirror?

    And we wonder why the media has a reputation of being completely unethical.

     
  • bullman3 posted at 11:12 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    bullman3 Posts: 142

    I wonder who is paying for the dont sign signs.?

     
  • bullman3 posted at 11:07 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    bullman3 Posts: 142

    Why is the press so bias on the recall. ? Its just the citizens wanting a say.

     
  • Humanist posted at 9:26 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 2997

    Quote chouli: "Nah, let's record it."

    Absolutely, if someone is making incorrect statements in an attempt to gain recall petition signatures, something we've all been warned about already, then record it. The whole truth will come out now that an investigation has been launched if you doubt the validity of the recording.

    As for running to the papers with the Decline To Sign letter, you'd be a little late. It was published in full in the newspaper about 10 days before it was mailed. http://www.cdapress.com/news/local_news/article_0fbc2c8e-8afc-11e1-9f5b-001a4bcf887a.html

     
  • RadRev2D posted at 9:15 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    RadRev2D Posts: 372

    STAGED...TOTALLY STAGED!
    probably little Mikey playing the low IQ, slow Petitioner.


    Too bad the Progressive Army failed to start their cameras!

     
  • chouli posted at 9:09 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1264

    the citizen sure milks this for all he can. repeating answers with intent...
    this petition worker, if really true and so far not validated, is doing a dis-service to the cause. it doesn't sound malicious, just mistaken on some points. I stand by the accuracy of the 40 million $ price tag approved by the mayor and council originally. the current 14 million quote is only for phase 1.
    bottom line--if you dont want to sign the petition, don't sign it. it's ridiculous to think you can sign and un-sign. make your decision before you sign!

     
  • chouli posted at 8:56 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1264

    so that's your interpretation of what happened, humanist. I guess it's just too difficult to say no thanks and walk away. Or maybe confront worker on the the information. Nah, let's record it. Geraldo might want this story or something! get real.
    just as valid an assumption is one of your supporters decided to make a fake recording. As sad as it is to say it, it wouldn't surprise me.

    I received a letter from the 'decline to sign' group that had un-truths all through it. I didnt run to the newspaper. I accept it as trash slanted to that political side.

     
  • Humanist posted at 8:43 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 2997

    Quote chouli (and others with the same question): "Why would anyone record a conversation? "

    This is just speculation, but this is what it sounds like to me. If you listen to the first 10 seconds or so, the recorder says "okay, sorry about that". It sounds like he was approached by the petitioner, heard some untruths, faked a phone call or something that pulled him slightly away, started recording on his phone, then came back to the petitioner where the conversation continued. And the rest is, as they say, history.

     
  • paineite posted at 8:32 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    paineite Posts: 17

    What's REALLY disgusting is reading the comments of recall SUPPORTERS here who defend this kind of misbehavior ... but then, that's because they've been PROMOTING these lies from the get-go: in case you hadn't noticed, they've had to change their print materials and "tune" already to correct these same lies. Now they're doing it door-to-door. That's just shameful and pathetic misbehavior. .

     
  • chouli posted at 8:13 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1264


    I have never before heard of this level of attack on a recall petition drive.
    Why would anyone record a conversation? And how do we know it's not a fabricated conversation just to make the recall look bad? This means nothing , other than the status quo is pretty up tight and willing to go to any lengths to save themselves from a recall.

    Maybe the mass mailing dated April 19th from the 'decline to sign' group could be investigated also. It has untruths in it as well...and the names at the bottom of the letter are Jennifer Drake and Sara Meyers (does the name Meyers sound familiar?)

    In this mailing it states: That last year the city council did not increase our taxes. Yes, they did. I believe the lame excuse used for raising our taxes was to purchase a copy machine, police vehicle upgrades, and library books. They have raised our property taxes. So when the letter states "Simply put, property taxes HAVE NOT increased because of the City council..." it is, in fact, NOT TRUE.

    Also, the letter states that "staff salaries for city employees are comparable to other similarly sized cities". Again, not true. Many cities of similar size do not pay their employees 100K or more or have as many high salaried employees.

    Every point listed in the letter is up for dispute…but since they’re the ‘decline to sign gang’, they get away with half-truths and lies.

     
  • Why Not posted at 7:58 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Why Not Posts: 4034

    Some sweat hog mama with a face like a gent
    Said my get up and go musta got up and went
    Well I got good news, she's a real good liar
    Cause the backstage boogie'll set your pants on fire

    Sweet emotion
    Sweet emotion

    Yawn

     
  • JR posted at 7:55 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    JR Posts: 52

    When I listened to the recording what stood out was that almost every thing the petitioner said the person recording it made sure to repeat the petitioner words in full. The recording sounds like a set up. Also, why did this person record the petitioner in the first place???

     
  • Brent Regan posted at 7:44 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Brent Regan Posts: 607

    Maureen needs to stop spinning and accurately report the facts. How ironic that “He also said that if the recall is successful, voters will be able to choose the officials’ replacements in a November election — another inaccurate statement” is itself an inaccurate statement.

    Listen to the recording. He does not say what the Maureen says he says.

    He is asked: “So then we get to elect a new mayor?” and he replies: “Yep” “Whens that?” “November” “So there is a new election in November?” “Yea” “so the public will get to elect the mayor and council?” “Yes”

    Will there be an election in November? Yes. Will the mayor and council be selected by the voters in an election? Yes. The only missing fact is that there will be interim appointed members between a successful recall vote and the next election.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 7:38 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    So If we consider the cost of the Cherryhill location, the fact that NO TAXES WILL BE USED just like the Kroc and Library, the new location of the boat launch, the new location of the new launch parking....................... I think the $40 Million is a lie only to the fact that the estimate is LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     
  • Brent Regan posted at 7:25 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Brent Regan Posts: 607

    It is legal in Idaho for party 1 to record a conversation with party 2 without party 2’s knowledge. A third party cannot record a conversation between two people without either’s knowledge.

    Once you get past all the hysterics, in order for there to be an actual crime the answers to these four questions must all be YES:
    Did the alleged petition worker say something to the voter that was substantially untrue?
    Did he know it was untrue when he said it?
    Did that particular untruth cause the voter to sign the petition?
    Did the voter actually sign the petition with a valid signature?

     
  • justinian posted at 6:35 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    justinian Posts: 318

    Wait, libs go NUTS when recordings are made of conversations. Right? Well, except when they LIKE the results. Hypocrites!

     
  • Humanist posted at 6:23 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 2997

    Quote Rationale: "Have they been carrying this recorder everywhere since the recall effort began?"

    You're not very up on the latest technology. Most cell phones have a recorder built in as timeless says. On my iPhone, it's called "Voice Memos". My wife used it to record me snoring the other night. :)

    For everyone thinking this is just made up, a scam, or whatever, you all seriously need to get a grip on reality and realize that this kind of thing has been happening since the recall petitioners hit the street but this is the first time that it's been recorded. I'm sure that since Mary and camp know the first name of the petitioner, it won't take much effort to correlate the offender with the recording after listening to it a few times.

    And for those defending the blatant lies in the recording, shame on you.

     
  • Timeless posted at 6:05 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 476

    @rationale: Oh come on!! Surely you know that every cell phone has a recorder in it.
    Duh.

     
  • Timeless posted at 6:03 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 476

    @rationale: OH COME ON....surely you know that EVERY CELL PHONE HAS A RECORDER IN IT. DUH.

     
  • Rationale posted at 5:54 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1973

    Yeah, can't authenticate...

    Might it be that it was two anti-Recallers channeling their inner Shakespeare?

    Not too difficult to fake an interaction, especially when the biased CDA Press will fan the flames.

    Hey, Press, fess up! These were simply two of your reporters, which is why you can't name names.

    SOOOO, these people just happen to have a recorder on them when approached by a "recall solicitor." I carry a recorder everywhere I go.

    And, when faced with proof of a felony, the first place to go is the newspaper instead of the police?

    They provided a tape!!! That's priceless. Have they been carrying this recorder everywhere since the recall effort began? Were they hoping that somehow, someway, a recall person would "happen to visit them?"

    Release the name of your snitch!

    This is a scam.

    Nice try, Press!

     
  • posted at 5:44 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Posts:

    Justinian, Your comment with the large font has been deleted because of the way it was formatted. It had nothing to do with the content, so feel free to re-post it.

     
  • Thaddeus posted at 5:43 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Thaddeus Posts: 232

    "Is it legal to record someone?"


    Ask Mary Souza...... She's a Pro on the subject.

     
  • bionic man posted at 5:16 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    bionic man Posts: 347

    This recall effort is getting totally out of hand on both sides. Time to get the state and feds involved to get it straightened out once and for all. It's gone beyond a simple "recall effort," the powers in control and their backers "future money makers," have taken things beyond the limits. Time for intervention because even the local and SRO press are all in defiant of the recall. The news agencies need to be unbiased in their reporting, not one sided.

     
  • Lakelvr posted at 4:58 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Lakelvr Posts: 30

    The chances that the "culprit" (regardless of which side of the issue they are on) will be caught is next to none. This entire story is moot due to this but it is amusing how quickly some jump to conclusions. A clear sign that objectivity and open mindedness is nearly obsolete in these threads.

    For some actually practical questions....
    Is it legal to record someone?
    How about *69?
    If you were doing something highly controversial.....would you use your real first name?

    I mean come on people, how about some actual cognitive productive thinking....

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 4:56 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    This is just amazing.
    The park DOES cost $40 MILLION DOLLARS.
    Funny how many of us see the Press' bias towards the Mayor & Co, as they give NO credence to the thousands of people who want the recall to occur.

     
  • Justin Cottrell posted at 4:49 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Justin Cottrell Posts: 157

    I agree, much to do about nothing. Hopefully the police will get the matter sorted out.

    Tom- Your bias is showing again, and is approaching the level of Defeat Fudge & Oppress over at the berry-hucker blog. Maybe the both of you should start a scaled down version of the National Enquirer for the area.

     
  • parent posted at 4:48 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    parent Posts: 346

    Maureen

    The Press should do better and you know it.

    Be careful of poor character, people are watching.

     
  • Arsaken posted at 4:35 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Arsaken Posts: 49

    Ha! Nice try, Mary.

     
  • apathoid posted at 4:25 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    apathoid Posts: 211

    The audio was up on Dingleberries almost instantly which certainly speaks to the intent of the mysterious source.

    What's next CDA Press? Mary Souza is a MILF from Outer Space and our photos prove it! ???

     
  • Mary Souza posted at 4:10 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Mary Souza Posts: 787

    Tom Hasslinger said that he couldn't send a copy of the audio recording to Frank Orzell because Tom didn't have the permission of the person who recorded it. But now it's on this web site in public?

    This audio recording has no verification. For the Press to publish this without authentication is highly unprofessional. And so was Tom Hasslinger when he threatened Frank Orzell by saying, "the road is going to get very rough for you..."

     
  • Brent Regan posted at 3:48 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Brent Regan Posts: 607

    I listened to the recording. Where are the lies? They ARE PLANNING to spend $40M (see Master Plan). They have approved $14M to date. The petition will cause an election. Taxes will go up.

    Much ado about nothing.

     
  • posted at 3:28 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Posts:

    The Press knows the identity of the individual who recorded the conversation, and we know the first name of the petitioner. Recall CdA organizer Frank Orzell did not deny or confirm that they have a petitioner by that name when Tom Hasslinger asked him about it.

     
  • Christians forgive posted at 3:24 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Christians forgive Posts: 12

    I was also approached by a untruthful Recall CDA signature seeker. Wish I had the recording because it sounds like the lies have been told to each signature seeker. I was also told 40 mil and many of the other lies being stated in this recording. If the recallers are going to give the signature signers a
    script theyy should have at least included some factual information. I have recently been undecided about the Recall but with all the recallers out every weekend I realize that the battle is tough, especially when your lying! It's sad and makes our Four concil members look better and better! The people signing the recall look into the facts before signing!

     
  • Brent Regan posted at 3:19 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Brent Regan Posts: 607

    The RecallCDA team has training and a script for their volunteers to follow to prevent this very situation.

    The anti-recall crowd already floated the idea of signing false signatures to muck up the process. Without verified identities, how do we know that this isn’t just an anti-recall stunt?

    Interfering with the lawful collection of valid signatures is a crime too!!!!

     
  • justinian posted at 2:58 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    justinian Posts: 318

    "Incredible! More proof that the citizens of Coeur d'Alene are being lied to by RecallCdA. Everyone needs to know that this is happening and it is not okay!"

    Really? No authentication - and it was members of the anti-recall group who advocating faking signatures, destroying petitions and harassing the recall proponents Sara. It is not out of the realm of possibility that this is a Dan Rather style "fake but real" audio recording.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 2:56 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    So the person doing the recording did not ask the person's name after asking so many other questions?

    No one can verify who it was?

    The person who did the recording did not want to provide his name?

    Shame on Cda. Press! You will not print a letter without verifying the author, so what in the xxx are you doing?

     
  • Jullee posted at 2:55 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Jullee Posts: 539

    TRASHY-TRASHY REPORTING...Ooooo..Watergate all over again HA !
    How low can the press really go !
    The press needs to stop all this nonsense.

     
  • Close Enough posted at 2:32 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Close Enough Posts: 134

    Hey Tom, you should edit the following statement:
    "The Press cannot authenticate the recording..."
    To:
    "The Press cannot authenticate anything in this story."

    The Press should have authenticated (a) the recording, (b) the person who submitted the recording, (c) the petition gather's name... But, hey... what the heck? Shouldn't let a little overrated investigative reporting slow down tabloid news, right?

    Moving past all of this nonsense--assuming that this audio recording is legit-- has anyone stopped to think that perhaps the petitioner was... Just. Simply. Kidding. Around? Seems to be the go-to defense for the Spokesman Review blog jokesters.

     
  • DeNiles posted at 1:57 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    The Press can't "authenticate" anything, but they sure can print it up fast enough if they want to. No doubt this recording has as much validity as Cliff's well regarded thoughts on cloud science.

     
  • Arsaken posted at 1:53 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Arsaken Posts: 49

    Incredible! More proof that the citizens of Coeur d'Alene are being lied to by RecallCdA. Everyone needs to know that this is happening and it is not okay!

     
  • cgent47 posted at 1:47 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    cgent47 Posts: 190

    "A recording of an apparent recall petitioner soliciting signatures reveals that the petitioner used wrong information while attempting to get at least one person to sign."

    Key word here is "apparent". What is the name of person with the recall petition? How hard is it to ask for a persons name. Anyone can make a tape. Its apparent the press has an agenda here. The council has spit in the face of the voters. Sign the petition at The Sunst Mall on Hiway 95.

     
  • Always Curious posted at 1:44 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Always Curious Posts: 444

    Please clarify ... was this a recorded phone call or a recording made by a cell phone in someones pocket?

    @humanist ... I completely agree that it is serious and should be treated with that gravity. As for the comments on Huckleberries, well the context really doesn't lead one to believe it was humor. Granted that is just IMO.

    If a crime has been committed then it should be treated as such, the same with a technical inaccuracy.

    The person that made this recording needs to come forward. Until then, there is a serious credibility issue.

     
  • Humanist posted at 1:08 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 2997

    Quote Always Curious: "Doesn't even compare to the stuff suggested on Huckleberries with regards to criminal intention."

    There's a significant difference between suggesting, joking about, then further discussing that those suggestions were illegal (which all happened in the same Huckleberry's thread) and something like this. This has actually happened (allegedly).

    Maybe the person who made this recording also snapped a picture or two or took some video.

     
  • meesterbox posted at 12:59 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    meesterbox Posts: 183

    Frank Orzell should make the time to go to the Press office and listen to the recording, especially since those commenting on here in support of the recall are shouting about lies and deceit, which is ironic since the recording is full of lies and deceit from someone asking for signatures. I know I would make myself available for a major issue like this.

     
  • rebmem posted at 12:59 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    rebmem Posts: 94

    yeah right!! I call BS cda press. give me a couple days and I'll have my recording of the anti's and there illegal tactics.

     
  • Always Curious posted at 12:58 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Always Curious Posts: 444

    Sounds like a Huckleberries poster plan. Check the source of the call.

     
  • lucky5975 posted at 12:55 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    lucky5975 Posts: 44

    Tom, what a shame, what a shame! You have written so many worthy stories, now you resort to such pathetic journalism!

     
  • Always Curious posted at 12:55 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Always Curious Posts: 444

    It could easily be a setup.

    Huckleberries posters have made enough criminal type "suggestions" to de-legitimize the recall that it is easily more plausible of an explanation.

    It could also be a simple mistake. It would be poor strategy for the recall organizers to promote or condone such statements.

    Doesn't even compare to the stuff suggested on Huckleberries with regards to criminal intention.

     
  • Cookie posted at 12:54 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Cookie Posts: 90

    There is also no evidence that it is NOT genuine, eh? Like I said, if RecallCDA honchos recognize this voice, then they need to do the honorable thing and report the person to Clerk Hayes. They are all about invisibility and accountability, so naturally they should have no problem reporting this possible felon, if the recording is indeed genuine. However, with the tables turned on them, if have a feeling invisibility and accountability will go straight out the window and they will never admit that this is one of their Craigslist hires.

    And as for the idea that the CDA Press made this recording up as an attempt to smear the Recall campaign: OH PLEASE! We all know the Press isn't exactly the Wall Street Journal when it comes to professionalism and quality reporting, but do you honestly believe that particular conspiracy idea? Probably, since you buy into so many other ridiculous conspiracy ideas.

    If Cliff Hayes doesn't follow up on this we are going to start a recall petition against him for not doing his job. Okay, maybe not. But at this point, why not?

     
  • Humanist posted at 12:53 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 2997

    We had to know that this kind of thing would surface eventually after hearing of several incidences of untruths used by petition gatherers. I’m glad that someone had an opportunity to capture this recording. It will be very interesting to see what happens next.

     
  • dtsinidaho posted at 12:52 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    dtsinidaho Posts: 191

    Interviewing rule number one. ASK THE NAME. ASK WHERE TO VERIFY INFO... just sayin...

     
  • DudleyDoRight posted at 12:41 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    DudleyDoRight Posts: 12

    Wow, this is pretty incriminating stuff. How many other citizens have been decieved into signing the petition based on misinformation like what we hear in the recording?

    I hope Susan Weathers' phone is ringing off the hook with folks trying to take their names off the petition now that they realize how much deceit and dishonesty is being used by RecallCDA to advance their petition.

    Paying signature gatherers and teaching their volunteers to spread lies and mistruths. Hardly sounds like a grass roots campaign that represents the majority view in our community.

    Even more so than ever people, DECLINE TO SIGN!

     
  • apathoid posted at 12:32 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    apathoid Posts: 211

    Ummm....Cookie, the "lies and deceit" belong to the Press here in the absence of any evidence that this recording is genuine. This is a shameful, shameful smear.

     
  • Cookie posted at 12:24 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Cookie Posts: 90

    Wow, just wow.

    Straight up blatant lies and deceit captured here. I hope the recallers are ashamed and embarrassed about this recording, as it serves to eliminate whatever smidgen of credibility they might have ever had.

    Remember this bit here in the Press from a few weeks ago? "Hayes warns that citizens are at risk of committing a felony if they make any statements regarding the recall that are untrue in an effort to gain signatures for the recall".

    I'm sure RecallCDA honchos recognize this voice from the recording. They need to do the honest thing and deal with this turn of events in a responsible fashion. I would be impressed if they were forthcoming about the fact they have signature gatherers who are committing felonies by LYING to the public in an attempt to get more signatures, but i won;t hold my breath on that one because this group has a long history of being completely unable to admit when they are wrong or when they've f-ed up. Shame, shame, shame.

     
  • apathoid posted at 12:19 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    apathoid Posts: 211

    Let me see if I can get this straight...in your ever deepening spiral to sink to the lows of National Enquirer type reporting, you're running a story on line that you can't verify and that is obviously designed to incite more venom against the recall effort. You even go so far as to say this can't run in the print edition because it is so obviously contrived, yet you deem it newsworthy enough for the web?

    Shame on you CDA Press!

    Shame on you Mike Patrick...you're quickly making yourself irrelevant!

    Shame on you Tom! Have you been taking lessons on ethics in journalism from Alecia Warren of late?

    This one is beneath you...or SHOULD BE!

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 12:16 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Anything to help the anti-recallers, huh Press?

     
  • Thaddeus posted at 12:09 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Thaddeus Posts: 232

    That my friends is the sound of a FELONY caught on tape.

    Calling Cliff Hayes,,, Calling Cliff Hayes!!!!!!! Clean up on Tubs Hill!!!! Calling Ciff Hayes!!!!

     
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