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Posted: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:00 am | Updated: 4:49 pm, Mon Jan 28, 2013.

POST FALLS - More than 100 people showed up Saturday morning at the Post Falls American Legion Post 143 to voice concerns about a future health insurance exchange in Idaho and several proposed federal restrictions on firearms.

The crowd was there to hear from eight state legislators from North Idaho about the current session in Boise, which has only been under way for a couple weeks.

State Rep. Kathleen Sims, R-Coeur d'Alene, said, "We've all been very, very busy down there, but not busy on bills, mostly busy on rules."

In the absence of active legislation in Boise, the conversation Saturday zeroed in on President Barack Obama's health-care reform legislation and a recent package of legislation and executive actions aimed at reducing gun violence.

Rep. Vito Barbieri, R-Dalton Gardens, said, "I'm sure most of you here are concerned about the two primary issues that we're dealing with, foisted upon us by the federal government - gun control and this state exchange."

He said those are two of the most defining issues the Idaho Legislature will deal with in the next two years.

Legislators are trying to decide whether to establish a state-based health insurance exchange, allow a federal one to be implemented in Idaho, or say no to anything that relates to Obama's Affordable Care Act, which is known as ""Obamacare." The U.S. Supreme Court determined the law is constitutional and Obama was easily re-elected in November, in part because of his success getting the landmark legislation passed.

Obamacare requires health insurance exchanges, which would allow people to shop for coverage.

Freshman Rep. Luke Malek, R-Coeur d'Alene, said the state's residents are losing freedom whether a state-based exchange is established or a federal one is implemented, "which makes this an extremely difficult decision."

Either way, he said, "We're doing the will of the federal government."

Federal gun legislation has only recently become a hot topic for Idaho's legislators. For those at Saturday's forum, gun rights was often an emotional issue.

Freshman Rep. Ed Morse, R-Hayden, said, "The issue of gun control is obviously going to be a big issue this year."

"Basically it boils down to two (issues) for me - the Second Amendment and Obamacare, and those are all about freedom," said Rep. Ron Mendive, R-Coeur d'Alene, another freshman. "I am obviously opposed to any changes in the Second Amendment."

In the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Conn., that left 20 children and six adult staff members dead, the Obama administration has been looking at ways to limit access to assault weapons and high-capacity magazines and improve the background check system for gun purchases.

"Changes are coming at the federal level," Morse said. "We will take whatever defensive postures we need at the state level to try and blunt those here in Idaho."

"I'm with you on the guns - absolutely," Sen. John Goedde, R-Coeur d'Alene, told the audience. "That's very, very important to protect the rest of the Constitution."

Rep. Frank Henderson, R-Post Falls, said legislation in Wyoming, Montana, Texas and other states has been written in response to Obama's efforts.

That legislation is being studied, and Idaho will have its own bill sometime this coming week "that digs in our heels, and says not just 'no' but 'hell no' to those executive orders," Henderson said.

The state representatives and senators didn't say what parts of the Obama administration's legislative proposals or executive actions they opposed.

Those in the audience Saturday said Obama is working to take weapons away from law-abiding gun owners and seeking to limit their freedoms, something the president has denied.

Brent Regan, a Coeur d'Alene School District board member, told the legislators and audience that gun rights are God-given, and that many gun owners take that to heart.

Malek assured Regan he's already seen three pieces of legislation being developed to protect gun rights.

"What is a mental health issue has become a gun issue, and that's just not right," Malek said. "It's just a reaction that has nothing to do with the cause of what we were seeing (with recent mass shootings)."

Malek added, "More people are killed with hammers than they are with assault rifles in the United States, but for some reason we're going after assault rifles."

Regan, responding to Malek, said he hasn't heard a concise definition of an "assault" weapon or rifle. He said the legislature could help define what an assault weapon is to preserve rights of gun owners.

Then, Regan added, to some shocked and uncomfortable laughter and rumblings in the audience, "My wife and I were having this conversation and I said, 'They can't figure out what an assault weapon is - it's just black and it looks scary.' And she looks at me and says, 'Well, so is Obama.'"

Sen. Bob Nonini, R-Coeur d'Alene, also was present at Saturday's legislative forum.

Sheila Waller, secretary of the Kootenai County Republican Central Committee, estimated attendance at between 100 and 110 people.

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107 comments:

  • Jill Heine posted at 5:06 pm on Sun, Feb 3, 2013.

    Jill Heine Posts: 408

    Move back to San Francisco you bleeping heart!

     
  • 1inIdaho posted at 11:02 am on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

    1inIdaho Posts: 241

    Joe, you may have had a hammer fall one-too-many times on your poor melon.
    To say that the gun(s) played NO role in the murder of the children at Sandy Hook, is like saying that the Atom Bomb had no role in the deaths of the inhabitants of Hiroshima.
    I understand your point, that on the other end of the trigger (or bomb bay doors), there was a PERSON. But that person could not effect the magnitude of carnage that was wrought, in either case, without the purposely-designed killing capacity of the chosen instrument of destruction.
    If you honestly think that the Sandy Hook killer would have been as effective in his destruction, if he had been wielding a tool-belt full of hammers; then I don't know what to say (other than, "I give up. You can't argue with the insane.").
    Hammers, by the way... and in refutation of the viral internet fabrication that they kill more people than guns... were reported by the FBI to account for only 3.9% of all murders (when included with bats, clubs, and other blunt instruments). Check it out with the ACTUAL FBI.

    Bad people ARE going to do bad things.
    Nobody is arguing with you about that.
    Bad people are going to be significantly retarded in the MAGNITUDE of their destruction, however, if sensible restrictions can be enacted regarding firearms.

     
  • 1inIdaho posted at 10:47 am on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

    1inIdaho Posts: 241

    Oh, that's RICH, Joe.
    Remind me again... WHO is it that wants to take away women't rights to decide what they do with their bodies?
    WHO is it that wants to dictate what constitutes love?
    WHO wants to dictate whether people can marry?
    WHO wants to dictate which books are in our schools & public libraries?
    WHO wants to force a fictitious world-view down the throats of our students?

    Yeah... NOT the Liberals, Joe. Not the Liberals.

     
  • 1inIdaho posted at 10:40 am on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

    1inIdaho Posts: 241

    Uh, Mi government es SU government

     
  • 1inIdaho posted at 10:38 am on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

    1inIdaho Posts: 241

    Jill??? Please loosen the band on your tin foil hat; it is obviously too tight and constricting blood-flow to your brain.

     
  • 1inIdaho posted at 10:35 am on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

    1inIdaho Posts: 241

    Sorry, Golden. Joe does NOT know what you mean.

     
  • 1inIdaho posted at 10:28 am on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

    1inIdaho Posts: 241

    I am embarrassed and appalled to be represented in my community, on my school board, and in my government; by such a group of pandering sycophants.

    It doesn't surprise me to see a quote from Rep. Mendive, "...oppose any changes in the 2nd Amendment..." which is based on absolutely NOTHING, but which panders to an obviously pro-gun crowd. Mr. Mendive is already giving our area the kind of notoriety which we don't need, with his "prostitutes = women having abortions" nonsense. That he would imply that there has been any proposal to either modify the Second Amendment - or add a new Amendment somehow circumventing the Second; is patently false. ANY new regulations pertaining to the ownership of arms, will have to pass judicial review to ensure that they are not unconstitutional. So, if Mendive and the pro-gunners are confident at all in their interpretation of the Second Amendment... they should have no fear of any of these laws that they oppose, ever being enacted. However... if these laws DO pass muster, they will need to accept that their interpretation of the 2nd, is WRONG. Either way, nobody is proposing a change to the constitution over guns.

    Mr. Barbieri indicated that the primary concern of the legislature for the next 2 years, is to deal with the healthcare exchange and proposed FEDERAL gun laws. Well. I'm glad they're not planning on wasting time on anything stupid... like the state of Education in Idaho. Or attracting new businesses to our state... to help remedy our lousy wages and high unemployment. I'm glad they're not going to focus on petty issues that mean the MOST to constituents; and instead will be wasting their time bloviating endlessly about healthcare and guns.
    Ms. Sims indicated that they are already more focused on rules, than they are on actual bills to help the people of Idaho.
    And I'm so glad that National rebuke of obstructionism has emboldened OUR representatives to "dig in our heels... and not just say NO, but "HECK" NO..." and "take a posture to blunt the effects of Federal laws here in Idaho..." as Mr.'s Henderson and Morse indicated.

    What appalls me the most, however; is how someone that I know to be as intelligent as Luke Malek... can say something as STUPID as "hammers kill more people than guns."
    That quote, which is a proven viral internet fabrication, is simply beneath someone of Mr. Malek's stature. The statistic is attributed to the FBI, but that has been debunked so many times http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/baseballbats.asp that I can't believe that anyone would bother to repeat it.
    To me, this indicates either that Mr. Malek ACCURATELY judged his audience to be stupid enough to believe this quote... and he said it simply to pander to them for votes, or money. OR that he is simply not as smart as I thought he was. Either way... it is a huge disappointment.

    Finally, Mr. Reagan's racist joke at the end of this article is simply astounding.
    Our Chamber of Commerce, Jobs Plus, and all of the other civic agencies which try to improve the economy of our area by attracting businesses... they have a hard enough time overcoming the stigma that is still attached to North Idaho by the Aryan Nations.
    For a School Board member to send up a blatantly racist remark, for laughs, in a room full of our civic leaders... does nothing but set us back a half-century.

    This is the last straw, people.
    If these buffoons aren't going to do what we elected them to do... if they are going to ignore the most pressing problems that confront us, and actually ACTIVELY thwart progress towards a healthier economy... we need to act to remove them from office.
    EVEN if we can't get them out before the next election; we CAN write to each and every one of them, and put our objection to their performance on record.

     
  • 1inIdaho posted at 9:49 am on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

    1inIdaho Posts: 241

    tomanylaws;
    Alas, the expectation of these people to actually read & understand the laws and proposals would be to assume a level of literacy that simply doesn't exist.

    In the absence of intelligence and any sense of personal responsibility; these people adopt and regurgitate the views of others who espouse such ignorance NOT because they are that stupid... but because it advances their own agenda.

    If your long-term vision for this country is to fling the majority of the population into abject poverty; arm them to the teeth; and bait them into annihilating each other... With the primary objective being to concentrate the nation's wealth into the hands of a few plutocrats... then the Conservative, Corporate, Trickle-Down, Racist, Pro-gun party is the way to go.

    It is ironic that the leading proponents of this view, cloak themselves in Christianity and purport this "Conservative" agenda to be morally righteous. But, if you examine it at all; this view reflects NONE of Christ's virtues. Their view is selfish. It is exclusive. It is fueled by hatred and lies. It is utterly lacking in compassion....

    You would think that the popular election (NOT just an electoral college victory), for Obama's second term, would give these people a clue that THEIR way is NOT the way that this country wants to go.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 10:28 pm on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

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    I wish that bleeding hearts understood ECONOMICS.
    And YES, the Second Amendment was all about people having ANY weapon that any army would have.
    D U H.

     
  • tomanylaws posted at 5:18 pm on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

    tomanylaws Posts: 47

    I wish that the people commenting here would read The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act known as Obamacare. It will make it easier to get insurance, not be denied for existing illnesses, premiums for women will be the same as men and so much more. In the long run it will benifit the nation as a whole. The same goes for the gun control issue. Read up about what the proposals are, you right to own firearms is not being threatened what so ever. No where in the 2nd ammendment does it say that an individual has the right to a military assault weapon and 30 or 100 round clips. Criminals aren't the ones doing the mass shootings. They are being carried out by law abiding citizens. Get educated on the issues by reading the proposals themselves not commentary on the proposals from FOX news and other non-reliable souces. The executive actions are not taking your guns or gun rights away they are to provide incentives for schools to hire resource officers, help schools develop and implement emergency plans and issues that deal with state and federal background checks and sharing this information between agencies.

     
  • Mahiun posted at 3:43 pm on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

    Mahiun Posts: 4847

    ...instead of speaking your mind.

    If you wanted to do that, you should have waited until you actually had one....

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 3:29 pm on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

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    Re: "And it's naive people like you who allowed our country to evolve into the mess it's in now by thinking you need to "just be more literate" instead of speaking your mind"

    That's not why we're in this mess. Although I do wish that more people valued clear communication more than detached generalizations to support their rants...

    You know what I mean Joe?

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 2:32 pm on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Whynot sez:
    "Joe Idaho, your emotional blather reeks of hearsay"
    "Hearsay", huh?
    What exactly is "hearsay", whynot? Is it when the President specifically states that guns are the issue? Or; is it when a firedn in New York calls me & states that the State of New Tork called him & asked him to turn in his magazines that are over 7 rounds to "comply"?
    Yeah, maybe that's "hearsay" and I'm "emotional". Maybe REALITY is that you don't COMPREHEND reailty.

    "It's misinformed people like you who provide fodder to the anti gun left"
    And it's naive people like you who allowed our country to evolve into the mess it's in now by thinking you need to "just be more literate" instead of speaking your mind.

    "50 STATES have signed petitions to secede (succeed) from the Union. Not exactly Joe. There are petitions in 50 states, just how many Americans have signed this?"
    Yes, PRECISELY, whynot. I am 100% correct, and you're just trying to downplay it over YOUR fear of what reality is. I never said that "75% of Americans are trying to secede", I said what is the truth; 50 states have petitions to secede circulating, currently. FACT.

    NOONE(None) is calling for ANY "violence". That's your imagination. Well Joe, just the action or serious attempt of succession by a group in any state would likely result in violence, and not by the hand of the government either"
    Not necessarily. Again; it's your surmise.

    "Anyone can read through these posts and see there are people armed to the teeth who are aching for confrontation"
    Not really. Evidently you don't know too many of these people, huh? I DO, and NONE of them are "aching for a confrontation", in fact, all that I know specifically do not want ANY "conforntation". that's your imagination run wild, again.

    "Mostly older out shape fat white guys who can't stand Obama"
    Umm....nope again.
    The majority of the people who see thangs as I do aren't "out of shape" at all. Many are military, or law enforcement, and of course they all know blowbama's deal. You're fooled by it, I can't help that.

    "Get real Joe, Presidents come and they go. I don't like Obama either, but he's not the end of the world"
    So says you.
    And since he's "not the end of the world", can you also convince me that he'll be able to keep other nations using our dollar as their reserve currency? You, whynot, are normalcy biased, you're one of the naive people who thinks that nothing can change, when it's actually happening all the way around you.
    Don't worry, though, when the alarm clock goes off, it'll be really loud.

    "Unfortunately you don't understand as well as you think you do, how the legal system has continuously upheld our rights to own and to bear arms in public Joe"
    And unfortunately you have no comprehension of what the Second Amendment was about; or means. AGAIN, it was never about you being able to own a gun; it was about protection form tyranny. As you pooh pooh legitmate attempts to remove rights; they go on taking them, and fokls like you keep allowing it to happen.

    "You're blowing off steam because you perceive your rights are threatened by words coming from Pollutitions, why?"
    Because I have watched politicians do things I never thought they could for the last 40 years.You, whynot, are the one who is sure "we have nothing to worry about". me; I know German people who were alive & living in Germany through the second world war, and they compare blowbama to Hitler, in a thousand ways. Just because you're naive doesn't make the rest of us that way.

    "Just let them know what you think, but for god sake please use spell check and don't CAP-YELL, it's rude"
    I see, lessons in spelling & etiquette from whynot. Any why not?
    You seem to think you can tell me why I shoudn't worry, how nothing can change, and at the same time influence (somehow) how I communictae with the poison that liberal are in America?
    Here's a CLUE, whynot.
    I thnk the PRIMARY reason we have the issues we have in America is because nobody DOES scream. If they did, I guarantee you that half the garbage that happens in America wouldn't any more; but instead, folks like you try to teach us all that we can't speak our mind, and you're WRONG.

    "I am a proud member of the NRA and have been for over twenty years. I don't believe in banning any weapon, but I do believe registration of is a viable solution"
    All newly sold guns are registered, but that's not enough, huh?

    "That a national database might help to identify criminals and crazy people; even if this saves the life of one police officer making a traffic stop on a lonely highway late at night, it's worth it"
    I see.
    The preimse that criminals don't use registered guns never passed through your mind, but the idea that "registering guns" will somehow identify criminals & crazy people is just...ludicrous.
    Can you see it:
    "Snoop Dog picks up his glock 9, and says to his girlfriend, "jhold on honey, I gotta go register this gun".
    Yeaahahhhriighht.....sure.
    And THAT is your plan. Yep, is we JUST make sure that we have a database of where the guns are, nobody will shoot anyone with them. That's right; the Latin Kings are going to show up at City Hall in Chicago & register up!

    (And I"M the one who is crazy....)

     
  • apathoid posted at 1:34 pm on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

    apathoid Posts: 211

    It must be election season!!!! The cries of "racist" are resounding and the pro-Christa Hazel crowd is right in the thick of it!

    When does the Grand PooBah of election smear, Mike Kennedy, chime in?!?!

     
  • Jill Heine posted at 1:02 pm on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

    Jill Heine Posts: 408

    @@ pfft

     
  • Mahiun posted at 1:02 pm on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

    Mahiun Posts: 4847

    Jill, sweetie, the grownups are trying to have a serious discussion here. We can play "Conspiracy Theory" or "Game of Thrones" or "Barbie and G.I. Joe meet God" or whatever your cute little board game is called --- later. Right now, the adults are trying to have a discussion. Would you like a juice box, while you're waiting?

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 12:00 pm on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    Re: "Why didn't they carry out their lurid schemes by using the "big guns"?

    Between 1982 and 2012 assault weapons were used in 35 mass shootings. Need to mange sales of assault weapons and semi-automatic hand guns better.

     
  • BorneNIdaho posted at 11:58 am on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

    BorneNIdaho Posts: 142

    Hey, why is it Senator Nonini comments did not make it into the article? He had quit a bit of things to say at the end and all you can do is mention he was present? Why is a joke more important to report than what a senator has to say? Typical cdapress reporting, tabloid like articles, very disappointing.

     
  • flattopramen posted at 10:47 am on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

    flattopramen Posts: 140

    Geez, intravenous sedative anybody?...

    Please Jill keep God out of these "alex jones" style rants and go find that old "End is Nigh" sign.

    Also, stay on topic, your empty rhetoric has been spamming up the CdA press comments for too long.

    PS Since Jan 19th (Hug your gun Day) there have been 4 accidental shootings at get this... gun shows. I guess all this false patriotism is distracting America from I don't know... practicing basic safety of firearms? Surprise!

     
  • Jill Heine posted at 10:14 am on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

    Jill Heine Posts: 408

    the ones pushing for gun control and eventual elimination are the Powers That Be. They dismiss god as a factor in their plans for a new world order under their control. They demand every knee bow to their rule. Dictators in Korea, Iran, Venezuela, and Syria are problematic to success. They must be brought into submission. Kissinger projects war with Iran in the near future, so why wait? Korea could bring the US down with one nuclear air burst. Iran's target after Israel is Europe.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21177535

    The best laid plans of mice and men. God has a different outcome planned. Kissinger is in for a rude awakening soon!

     
  • Why Not posted at 7:51 am on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

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    Joe Idaho, your emotional blather reeks of hearsay. It's misinformed people like you who provide fodder to the anti gun left.

    For Example:

    50 STATES have signed petitions to secede (succeed) from the Union. Not exactly Joe. There are petitions in 50 states, just how many Americans have signed this? Furthermore, any attempt to force

    NOONE(None) is calling for ANY "violence". That's your imagination. Well Joe, just the action or serious attempt of succession by a group in any state would likely result in violence, and not by the hand of the government either. Anyone can read through these posts and see there are people armed to the teeth who are aching for confrontation. Mostly older out shape fat white guys who can't stand Obama. Get real Joe, Presidents come and they go. I don't like Obama either, but he's not the end of the world.

    Unfortunately you don't understand as well as you think you do, how the legal system has continuously upheld our rights to own and to bear arms in public Joe. You're blowing off steam because you perceive your rights are threatened by words coming from Pollutitions, why? Just let them know what you think, but for god sake please use spell check and don't CAP-YELL, it's rude.

    I am a proud member of the NRA and have been for over twenty years. I don't believe in banning any weapon, but I do believe registration of is a viable solution. That a national database might help to identify criminals and crazy people; even if this saves the life of one police officer making a traffic stop on a lonely highway late at night, it's worth it.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 7:14 am on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

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    whynot....
    "Those calling themselves Patriots, but advocate separating the union and violence over dialog"
    (A) 50 STATES have signed petitions to secede from the Union.
    (B) NOONE is calling for ANY "violence". That's your imagination.

    "You do not represent the majority of peace loving Americans"
    Actually; we do.

    "Some of you sound like spoiled children whining at mommy in the grocery store"
    Yeah, run over our Constitution & we get "whiny". DUH.

    "The strength of our nation is in its unified republic and our constitution which limits the power of the government and provides remedy through the independence of the judiciary and 237 years of case law"
    That's right, and the "limited power of government" has been completely overran, and the case law has now become 100% politicised.

    "Gun ownership is absolute; the right to bear in public is guaranteed as well, but with limitations"
    HOW is gun ownership supposed to have "limitations"? What garbage.

    " Historically states require licensing or permit to carry and nobody really has an issue"
    Evidently, you don't HEAR it when people scream about gun laws that restrict ownership. Maybe you've never heard of the NRA?

    "Where the federal government may find common ground with the Courts is licensing and requiring a national database for local police"
    Ah, if we JUST make everyone register, we'll know where EVERY GUN IS so like Britain, we can confiscate all of them someday, under the guise of "protecting the public"...

    "The precedence here dates back to the 1920’s when gangster violence moved the NRA to help draft federal laws restricting concealed carry permits to those who can show special need. What is bad about this?"
    It USURPS the Constitution. Period, end of story. The 20's were the beginning of the Nanny State, where individual rights were first eroded.

    "The government attempting to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals and the criminally disturbed isn’t the end of the world and may lead to tougher punishment"
    The governemnt will NEVER be able to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, and the laws on the books RIGHT NOW are full on enforecement of not allowing people with mental problems to have guns.
    YOU are advocating for law abiding citizens to lose their rights, period.

    "The constitutional question is where assault weapons are concerned. Unless lawyers can come up with logic suggesting assault weapons are commonly used for self-defense, courts may very well uphold a federal ban on future sales"
    And that's the ENTIRE problem. The issue of Constitutionality is bypassed entirely, and REMEMBER that every serviceman is swron to uphold the CONSTITUTION.

    "Personally such legislation reeks of the nanny state and represents nothing more than grand standing by headline grabbing clowns in Clowngress"
    Your bias towards communism just jumped out, whynot. See; Congress isn;t the people advicating for what you want; it's BLOWBAMA & the demicrapic senate.

     
  • Why Not posted at 6:06 am on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

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    Those calling themselves Patriots, but advocate separating the union and violence over dialog. You do not represent the majority of peace loving Americans. Some of you sound like spoiled children whining at mommy in the grocery store. The strength of our nation is in its unified republic and our constitution which limits the power of the government and provides remedy through the independence of the judiciary and 237 years of case law.

    Gun ownership is absolute; the right to bear in public is guaranteed as well, but with limitations. Historically states require licensing or permit to carry and nobody really has an issue. Where the federal government may find common ground with the Courts is licensing and requiring a national database for local police. Theprecedence here dates back to the 1920’s when gangster violence moved the NRA to help draft federal laws restricting concealed carry permits to those who can show special need. What is bad about this? The government attempting to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals and the criminally disturbed isn’t the end of the world and may lead to tougher punishment.

    The constitutional question is where assault weapons are concerned. Unless lawyers can come up with logic suggesting assault weapons are commonly used for self-defense, courts may very well uphold a federal ban on future sales. Personally such legislation reeks of the nanny state and represents nothing more than grand standing by headline grabbing clowns in Clowngress.

     
  • Jill Heine posted at 12:37 am on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

    Jill Heine Posts: 408

    Most blindly condone the actions of the US government under dubious guidance by the powers.
    Most raise outcry when a rape occurs in their neighborhood or a murder in their county.
    Nary a whisper is heard when atrocities occur in a different land by the same hand.
    America is guilty of the blood of innocents, yet a deaf, dumb, and blind majority sustains such power.

    http://www.villagevoice.com/2001-08-14/news/manhattan-s-milosevic/1/
    calling Dr. Kissinger: http://www.zpub.com/un/wanted-hkiss.html

    Servicemen answer the order to kill with little thought as to justice.
    Some are fortunate never to see their target's eyes. Most are spattered with blood.
    Mourning is left to mothers.

    Like presidents before him, Obama wears his assassin badge with pride.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 9:38 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

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    Amen, Concerned....
    Just incredible that the blowbamas can get away with the spectacular distraction of gun laws while the Nation is about to lose it's currency. Nero fiddled.....while Rome burned.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 9:18 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

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    Weapons dealer to the bad guys that is.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 9:16 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    GM says "Nobody said you can't have guns, you're just being asked to support a system that makes it difficult and illegal for bad guys to purchase and/or have them. Also need to make sure that Police are not outgunned on the streets."

    Then start with your government. They are the biggest weapons dealer in the WORLD!

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 7:42 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    Re: "... the backlash that all of this idiocy is going to eventually create will be bad, guaranteed"

    Will it be as bad as the high number of annual American deaths by gun shot? Or are you suggesting that the Gun Pride folks are going to shoot even more Americans in protest?

    The idiocy of guns laws that allow known terrorists, violent criminals and the mentally unfit to legally purchase guns in the secondary market has already produced bad results and the fact that you use the Constitution of the United States of America is to defend this system is typical of Gun Pride's selfishness and declining morality.

    Nobody said you can't have guns, you're just being asked to support a system that makes it difficult and illegal for bad guys to purchase and/or have them. Also need to make sure that Police are not outgunned on the streets.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 7:29 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    Joe, your attempt to place hammers in the same category as rapid-fire-high-capacity guns is weird at best. It's like placing the Cherry Bomb in the same category as the Atom Bomb. Sure both go "boom" but there is a big difference in how many each can kill in a short period of time.

    Nobody accidentally hammers their brains out. Never heard of a drive by gang hammering. When given a choice evil people arming themselves for mass murder will always select an AR-15 over a ball peen, California Framer or even a sledge hammer - Killing power is no contest, the AR-15 wins by a massive margin.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:55 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    GM, the gun that fired the bullets into those children had NO ROLE in their deaths. It was a tool, pure, plain & simple. It took a motivated idiot, one who woudl be JUST as dangerous in a car, or with a hammer, to do what was done.
    Duncan murdered people just outside CDA with a hammer. Many others do the same, every year.
    Is the hammer a tool or does it think for itself?
    Your ideal of somehow (naively) being able to control what people do by restricting their access to what YOU think are bad will somehow stop evil from doing evil is simply, outrightly naive.
    The ONLY thing that woudl happen if you got rid of all the guns is that you'd make our entire society vulnerable, and you could CARE LESS about that, as long as your ideological bent gets it's fix.
    GM, if YOU don't want guns, don't purchase them, but leave OURS alone. You have no right whatsoever to attempt to take away anything from law abiding citizens, and the backlash that all of this idiocy is going to eventually create will be bad, guaranteed.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 6:49 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    Please add to your list...

    "Oh you complain too much, please stop"

    Thank you.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 6:46 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    Joe Idaho Logical Fallacy Alert!

    Post hoc ergo propter hoc

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:24 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Does anyone notice that it's ALWAYS liberal communists who are tryign to TAKE AWAY people's rights?
    "Oh, you eat too much, we need laws against that to protect you from yourself"
    "Oh, you use fuel in your car, cars should be illegal because of global (THE HOAX) warming"
    "Oh, you have a gun, guns shoot people, they need to be illegal"
    "Oh, you don't need to hunt, all the food comes form the stores, you MUST stop hunting"
    It never ends.
    Liberals know FAR better than the rest of us what we should have how we should speak, what we should say and what we should use. Eventually, they'll push their agendas (which is what ALL of this is about; LIEBRAL agendas) until we finally end up having a civil war.
    Here's the deal; communists:
    Your KIND is from the cities; just like in Rome, you sity dwellers have come ot the conclusion that you are "enlightened" and that the rest of us aren't, so you THINK you have this weird righteous ability to enforce laws against OUR Freedoms.
    Newsflash:
    It didn't work in Rome, and it will not work here.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:18 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Randy, my gun is black too, I MUST be a racist.
    Owned a BLACK car, too, I MUST be a racist.
    Had a black dog once, of COURSE I'm a racist.
    You have a logic deficit disorder.

     
  • IdahoMan posted at 6:16 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    IdahoMan Posts: 100

    If there is anything I can say to our Representatives/Senators, it is this: Not one more inch. NONE.

    When are you going to push to get the unconstitutional, dangerous laws we currently have on the books REPEALED?

    For example: With firearm laws, where is the push toward getting the background-check/registration scheme done away with? NO paperwork involved in the purchase of a firearm (4473, etc.). NO mandatory NICS. All firearm sales should be like a private-sale.

    PS: We look forward to seeing "Constitutional Carry" passed in Idaho.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:14 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    I see, GM, so that means that all of the WHITE people who ran the UNderground Railroad, risking much in order to help people, they must have become racists overnight, huh?
    Yeaaahhhh suureeeee...

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 6:08 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    Max, noticed that gloves needed to slap some sense (in the figurative sense, not literally) into those who participated in Gun Pride Parades before the blood of those who were slaughtered in Newtown had dried are not being regulated in your somewhat bizarre attempt to connect gloves with the rapid-fire-high-capacity weapons that are being used to murder Americans in public places.

    “I hope that no parent, grandparent or caregiver of children ever has to go through that pain” - Ms. Marquez-Greene whose 6-year-old daughter Ana died in the Sandy Hook Massacre

    “I am not done being the best parent I can be for Ben, not by a very long measure. If there is something in our society that clearly needs to be fixed or healed or resolved, that resolution needs a point of origin. It needs parents.” - David Wheeler whose 6 year old son Benjamin was killed


    Gloves did not kill their children, they died because they were riddled with bullets.

     
  • max power posted at 5:33 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    max power Posts: 559

    *** Comrade Obama Pushes Glove Control Legislation ***

    Washington, D.C. - America's own Baghdad Bob, White House Press Secretary and libtard mouthspeak Jay Carney, announced that Comrade Obama has ask Congress to not pursue gun control legislation. "On reflection our Dear Leader has come to the realization that the pending gun control legislation would be a hard sell in both houses of Congress. Instead he has ask Congress to work on Glove Control Legislation", said Carney.

    Many in Congress are having heart burn with the current gun control ban because the Second Amendment empowers the citizens with "the right to keep and bear arms and that right shall not be infringed." However, there is nothing in the Constitution or Bill of Rights that has to do with wearing gloves. Realizing that many criminals wear gloves in the commission of their crimes Obama now wants Congress to work on Glove Control.

    Dear Leader is seeking legislation that would ban the manufacture and sale of more than 100 different types of gloves. Gloves such as latex (includes condoms that could be worn as finger jackets), rubber, fabric (cotton and yarn), kiddie, leather, liquid and gloves with military style features such as cameo and trigger finger holes. Surgeons, Doctors, Nurses and Hospital Workers are grandfathered in and can continue to purchase rubber and latex gloves from an approved Federal Government Logistics Center. Work gloves such as welder's gloves, catcher's mitts and childrens mittens are unaffected.

    Criminals would not have access to illegal gloves, thus anyone performing a criminal act (with or without firearms) would leave finger prints and DNA evidence at the scene of the crime. Law abiding citizens would have nothing to fear, since as part of the proposed legislation all 310 million Americans (340 million when illegal alien Mexican Nationals are given amnesty) would be required to have their fingerprints and DNA on file in Washington D.C....

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 3:03 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    New Right Wing Christian Rock Band Name... Guns & Moses

    Top 10 Possible Song Titles-
    John Birch n' Churchin'
    Gun Sale at the Church
    I Shot the Sheriff (in self-defense)
    Machine Gun Jesus
    Bibles, Booze & Bullets
    Do Take Your Gun to Town
    Pistol Packin' Patriot
    Second Amendment Gun Fighting Man
    Lockin' Loadin' & Prayin'
    Double Barrel Prepper

     
  • Screen Name posted at 3:00 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Screen Name Posts: 755

    One person does not a government make.

     
  • Jill Heine posted at 2:42 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Jill Heine Posts: 408

    I'm thinking of marketing a board game based on the Warren Commission. It will prove extremely adaptable to any assassination by any government. One of the neat cards: Sanitize One Fact.
    Multiple teams will ply for dominance with the holders of the 'neat cards' winning. Truth is irrelevant in that game - winning at any cost is everything. I might call it: Change You Need!


    "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

    a succinct reminder that Patriots must rise to restore the United States of America. States could initiate the rebellion by declaring sovereign status and having residents direct all income tax to their state capital. Why tolerate federalism when its head bows down to international scum bag despots and agrees that the USA should comply with international law on all points.

    Brent is correct to fear for the future of his children and grandchildren, except there's no time for the latter to suffer. Such is the nature of the change you believed we needed. Loss of liberty as your knee bends to a one world ruler.

    As for my weapons, I prefer never to use mine for defense of life and liberty. I also prefer to live in peace, and that will be shattered by the chaos at my front door when they try to take my weapons. I could be lethal with a sling and rocks which are silent until they find a target. I know someone who is capable of auto-slinging 100# boulders with his pinkie. Can't wait for his resolution to this current debate. He may spank me for my thoughts, but I pity your plight.

     
  • Humanist posted at 2:22 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Humanist Posts: 3004

    So our "natural" rights apply to the use of man-made weapons in a society with man-made laws? Why people here are conflating our "god given rights" with the right to own and use any form of weaponry is very confusing.

     
  • Humanist posted at 2:20 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Humanist Posts: 3004

    Were being the key word here......

     
  • Jill Heine posted at 2:15 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Jill Heine Posts: 408

    SURE - make it illegal not to register.
    Step two - confiscate.
    Step three - get school children to turn their parents in.

    Worked great for Hilter.

     
  • Keven Johnson posted at 2:05 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Keven Johnson Posts: 1276

    re-read what I said Randy. I wish he hadn't said it because I knew it would be unfairly highlighted by the press and would be the focus of most of the comments online, and I was right. Brent asked some very good pointed questions of our legislators and made some good suggestions to them as well, yet the "black and scary" joke is what was reported.

    Were you there Randy? I don't know because I have no idea what you look like. I don't claim to be able to "think for everyone that was there" but, having been there, I heard only laughter, not 'uncomfortable' laughter. Because it was obvious the line was a JOKE!

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 1:58 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    Re: "We need to concern ourselves with the very real loss of freedom in our republic"

    I'm concerned about the very real perfect morbid storm of evil people and rapid-fire-high-capacity-weapons as well as the the resulting loss of human life.

    Our country has a massacre problem, pretty sure that "The Creator" does not want this.

    Also pretty sure that buying more guns and marching in Gun Pride Parades before all of the bullet filled victims are buried is gross and insensitive. Think we should be very concerned about Gun Pride's declining standards of morality or respectability.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 1:40 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    Re: "... the klan was ALL SOUTHERN DEMOCRATS"

    Was is the right word. Things changed after many Dixecrats switched to the GOP as part of "The Southern Strategy" - The Republican Party strategy of gaining political support or winning elections in the Southern section of the country by appealing to racism against African Americans.

    Also, now the majority (if not all) Klan members are Right Wing Republicans. In fact fact, most radical anti-government groups vote Republican.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 1:27 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    Re: "The fact that he has chosen to identify with his "black" roots speaks volumes as to his motives"

    ... anybody seeking proof of evolution look no further.

     
  • DCIDAHO posted at 1:24 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    DCIDAHO Posts: 2105

    One really needs to separate the god-thing and the gun-thing to realize any true perspective.

     
  • Keven Johnson posted at 1:20 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Keven Johnson Posts: 1276

    The Declaration of Independence says that "all men..... are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights........"

    Brent Regan and I don't have to agree on who or what "our creator" is to agree that our rights are NATURAL rights that we are born with; not rights granted to us by a government. The constitution doesn't give us our rights, it merely (supposedly) guarantees them.

    Those of us who bothered to go to this town hall meeting know that Brent made several very articulate and thoughtful points about both the healthcare exchange issue and the gun control issue, yet one line that was clearly a joke has become the topic of the majority of the comments here. There was laughter, and it was not "uncomfortable laugter" because every single person there including the reporter that wrote this story knew it was clearly a joke. I wish he hadn't said it only because I knew that one line would be the focus of the Cda Press story and comments, but there was clearly no racist intent to the joke.

    We need to concern ourselves with the very real loss of freedom in our republic. By the time many of you wake up, it will be too late.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 1:12 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    Re: "... gun rights are God-given"

    In July of 2012, a 2 year old Colorado boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while on vacation at his grandparent's home after finding a 9mm handgun in the master bedroom.

    What about that boy's God-given right not to be killed by irresponsible gun owners?

    One study showed that 85% of parents who owned guns did not practice safe gun storage. Why didn't God also insist on safe storage practices? Are the NRA lobbyists working lawmakers in heaven like they do in Washington DC?

    Heard lots from the Gun Pride special interest groups about how Sandy Hook or Aurora can be prevented with more guns. Haven't heard anything about more gun safety. Trend is every time children are slaughtered in schools thousands respond by going on God-given gun buying shopping sprees. God has not yet required necessary training, need a federal government legislative intervention.

    Please join me in sending a telepathic text message to God requesting more gun safety

     
  • Screen Name posted at 1:06 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Screen Name Posts: 755

    You are citing Louis Woodhill in support of your position? The same Louis Woodhill who has has a bachelor of science degree in mechanical engineering and is a software entrepreneur who also serves on the leadership council of the ultraconservative, anti-tax nonprofit Club For Growth? Great independent, unbiased, source.

    Below is part of what Mr. Woodhill wrote about education in a different opinion column. Do you agree with his position on education?

    "Also, imagine if, instead of being given a 2009 education for $158,717, an average student were given a 1967-style education for about $58,000, and $100,000 in capital with which to start his working life. This would be sufficient to start any number of small businesses. Alternatively, if put in an IRA earning a real return of 6%, the $100,000 would grow to about $1.8 million over 50 years.

    The huge government “investments” made in education over the past 50 years have produced little more than “Solyndras in the classroom”. They have enriched teachers unions and other rent-seekers, but have added little or nothing to the economic prospects of students. America does not need more such “investment”."

     
  • Screen Name posted at 12:49 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Screen Name Posts: 755

    OK Mr, Regan, you stated: "The Klu Klux Klan is made up exclusivly of Democrats. It was the terrorist wing of the Democrat party intent on terrorizing blacks and Republicans." I read the article you cited and saw nothing to support your claim.

    You are speaking from a very simplistic perspective. If review US history immediately preceding, during, and after the Civil War, you would know that the Democratic Party was fractured as a result of the slavery issue. Some aligned with the anti-slavery movement, some (mostly in the South) aligned with those who promoted slavery. Those Southern Democrats were against the Republican Administration of Lincoln which abolished slavery. To state that the Democratic Party was one monolithic and united group at the time of the formation of the KKK, and that they as a whole were "terrorists", is to ignore the historical facts.

     
  • babydriver posted at 12:42 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    babydriver Posts: 1393

    Wrong again Idiot!
    The KKK were democrats.

     
  • babydriver posted at 12:39 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    babydriver Posts: 1393

    That you V??

     
  • babydriver posted at 12:39 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    babydriver Posts: 1393

    Go play with the other perverts.

     
  • babydriver posted at 12:37 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    babydriver Posts: 1393

    Idiot, how about we stop sending our money TO the feds first??

    Then we need not concern ourselves with the feds sending any of it back.

     
  • babydriver posted at 12:34 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    babydriver Posts: 1393

    LOL Ain't it the truth? Why no needs to go play with the rest of the perverts.

     
  • babydriver posted at 12:31 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    babydriver Posts: 1393

    Joe said it!

     
  • babydriver posted at 12:29 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    babydriver Posts: 1393

    Patrick and Shiloe know all that, they don't care. They each are here to help foment the destruction.

     
  • babydriver posted at 12:26 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    babydriver Posts: 1393

    You still have time to repent.

     
  • babydriver posted at 12:25 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    babydriver Posts: 1393

    The Second Amendment meant that if the government had a bazooka, I had the right to have a bazooka.

    Our ONLY HOPE, is that Jesus comes before the whole thing incinerates.

    The future will be no fun.

     
  • babydriver posted at 12:19 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    babydriver Posts: 1393

    Oh BARF again Randie.

     
  • babydriver posted at 12:18 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    babydriver Posts: 1393

    Oh Barf.

     
  • will-- posted at 12:16 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    will-- Posts: 898

    Name calling is a sign of loosing the debate.

     
  • Humanist posted at 12:03 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Humanist Posts: 3004

    Screen Name said LIBERALS, not Democrats. Your statement of "The Klu Klux Klan is made up exclusivly of Democrats" is false and is nothing but an ad hominem attack.

    What you purposely fail to mention is that the historic Democratic party was much more conservative than today's Democratic party. It is far more accurate to say that the KKK was formed by and made up of Conservatives. Party affiliation of conservatives and liberals is completely opposite now and all CURRENT organized KKK groups in the USA are self-described as predominantly Conservative Christians.

     
  • voxpop posted at 11:38 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    voxpop Posts: 738

    Really caught up on your history there JoeIdaho/Regan - NOT. If you were you would know that today's republican party came from southern democrats and vice versa. Lincoln was a liberal, progressive member of the "republican" party that soon morphed into today's democratic party. Regan's an ignoramus who is entitled to his own opinion but NOT as a member of SD271 school board.

     
  • Humanist posted at 11:33 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Humanist Posts: 3004

    And irrational beliefs in things like the Easter Bunny and Santa Clause are "just a phase". Oh wait.........

    Come on Brent, we all know that you have the intellectual prowess and ability to think logically. Your profession demonstrates that. But megalomania is apparently a much larger driving force in your life.

     
  • Humanist posted at 11:30 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Humanist Posts: 3004

    So according to your slippery slope logic, the most reasonable approach is to never regulate anything? It sounds like you are an anarchist.

     
  • will-- posted at 11:24 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    will-- Posts: 898

    "it's just black and it looks scary"

    I prefer to think of him as grey.

    The fact that he has chosen to identify with his "black" roots speaks volumes as to his motives.

     
  • Mabell posted at 11:19 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Mabell Posts: 152

    No. FBI stats do NOT back it up! Feel free to read and do research before spouting off made-up BS. http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/baseballbats.asp

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 11:05 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    "sreen" says:
    Blah blah blah.
    The Regans had their family attacked by you commies this morning, calling them "racists" because they disagreed with the dictator, blowbama. And Brent is correct below, the klan was ALL SOUTHERN DEMOCRATS.
    Course, you, screen, with ALL that brainpower, you'd have already known that....;-)

    And then 'humanist" sez:
    "For the record, this liberal Atheist does not believe in banning guns, weapons or magazines. It's too little too late. But we should regulate weapons to the nth degree - that is the reasonable approach"
    Yeah, that's a LOT differnet than banning them outright, today. This way, we can infringe on the rights of gun owners slowly, eventually removing ALL rights to own firearms. WHAT a plan!
    (Cept' the Joe Idaho's of the world are noticing....and man they bought a LOT of guns in the last month or so...)

     
  • Flash Gordon posted at 10:56 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Flash Gordon Posts: 1239

    Every person in the United States should have access to the same health care that our congressional delegation receives........ at minimum what our state legislators receive as a "perk". Access to health care should not be tied to employment for obvious reasons.

    Brent Regan and his wife are crass individuals with an offensive "sense of humor" shared by a considerable number of people in here. It's difficult to imagine them as being "one" of God's children......

    I'm not surprised God and guns are inextricably linked together by those in here that have no logic and critical thinking skills. Maybe if they followed the path of where "that" leads they'd inevitably end up in Newtown with no defense of their "rationalized position" on 2nd amendment rights and might even have to reassess their original "thought".....but I'm honestly not counting on that.

     
  • will-- posted at 10:55 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    will-- Posts: 898

    "I don't believe in God, so according to Brent Regan, I have no rights under the Constitution or Bill of Rights?"

    You also have an argument with one of the founding fathers.

    Message from John Adams to the Officers of the First Brigade of the Third Division of the Militia of Massacusetts - October 11, 1798

    "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

     
  • Brent Regan posted at 10:37 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Brent Regan Posts: 609

    The Klu Klux Klan is made up exclusivly of Democrats. It was the terrorist wing of the Democrat party intent on terrorizing blacks and Republicans.


    The NRA, on the other hand, has supported the right of all people, including black people to keep and bear arms.


    http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/2012/12/20/the-nra-the-kkk-and-the-2nd-amendments-black-history/

     
  • Humanist posted at 10:29 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Humanist Posts: 3004

    The stupid ones are those who do not understand that those who simply do not believe in god also do not believe in god-given rights. We believe in humanly given rights, however. And that's all our Constitution represents to our entire society, despite what the arrogant Christian right insists. And as humans in a society, we can change the Constitution.

    For the record, this liberal Atheist does not believe in banning guns, weapons or magazines. It's too little too late. But we should regulate weapons to the nth degree - that is the reasonable approach.

     
  • Brent Regan posted at 10:25 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Brent Regan Posts: 609

    Reganophobia?!?!? Cool!

    It is OK. Irrational fears are common among children and, like enuresis, you will likely grow out of it.

     
  • Brent Regan posted at 10:20 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Brent Regan Posts: 609

    While I usually do not comply with demands by pusillanimous bloggers cowering behind screen names, this one was near effortless.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhill/2012/08/01/obama-wins-the-gold-for-worst-economic-recovery-ever/

     
  • Screen Name posted at 10:16 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Screen Name Posts: 755

    So the Klu Klux Klan is made up of liberals? I always through they were an extreme right wing fringe group. Joe, you are a wealth of information. Next thing you'll be telling me is that you are a liberal. Your continual maligning of liberals makes me suspect you are a closet liberal. Are you familiar with Shakespeare and "Hamlet"? The man doth protest to much, methinks.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 10:05 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    DC, go back to DC, the land of everyone else's money.
    Since you have problems understanding english, I'll spell it out for you:
    Owning a gun, which IS effectively the RIGHT to protect yourself & your family, is a GOD given right; it was ensured & enshrined by the second Amendment. The beneficiary of it is everyone, INCLUDING atheists, who are stupid.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 9:54 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    I SUPPORT Brent Regan AND his Family.
    The biggest "racists" on the planet are all liberals.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 9:52 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    whynot replies:
    " blah blah blah, de blah blah blah"

     
  • Mabell posted at 9:50 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Mabell Posts: 152

    Get a clue Malek:
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/baseballbats.asp

     
  • DCIDAHO posted at 9:47 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    DCIDAHO Posts: 2105

    "The right to defend your life with ANY weapon is a God given right, even for atheists."
    Really??? Atheists...believing in some god giving rights? Who's being silly?

     
  • heatherfeather posted at 9:45 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    heatherfeather Posts: 297

    That's raaaaycist!

     
  • heatherfeather posted at 9:45 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    heatherfeather Posts: 297

    Obama got 60 million votes.

    I am one of the other 250 million.

     
  • heatherfeather posted at 9:42 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    heatherfeather Posts: 297

    Yep. The Empire back east.

     
  • max power posted at 9:33 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    max power Posts: 559

    *** Amnesty For Illegal Aliens Will Add Millions To The Healthcare Exchanges ***

    I remember when the "Liar in Chief" Comrade Obama gave his 2009 State of the Union speech to Congress and the Nation. It was then that he pledged that undocumented workers "illegal aliens" would not be covered under pending Healthcare reform. It prompted Representative Joe Wilson (R-S.C.) to shout "You Lie"!

    It looks like Comrade Obama did lie. His plan all along has been to push amnesty and citizenship for millions of Mexican Nationals. It's called securing votes for the future. Look for a much larger "Dream Act" down the road whereby all relatives back in Mexico will be allowed to enter the United States as well. Can't have families being separated by the latest wave of amnesty.

    Where will the money come from to subsidize all these people on the Healthcare Exchanges?
    I'll just bet our very own "Debt Man Walking" Obama has a plan...

     
  • Humanist posted at 9:30 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Humanist Posts: 3004

    Wow, the Regan family is far scarier than I previously thought.

     
  • Screen Name posted at 9:12 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Screen Name Posts: 755

    Legislators: If you disagree with the Federal laws and rules, then you should pass legislation rejecting all Federal money. To do otherwise, demonstrates your hypocrisy.

    I don't believe in God, so according to Brent Regan, I have no rights under the Constitution or Bill of Rights? Brent's comment about "God given rights" applying to atheists is nonsensical.

    Brent Regan says: "...the data is clear that Obama’s policies are hurting far more than they help." Proof for that statement Mr. Regan?

    My position on the levy the School District is seeking: Vote NO until Brent Regan resigns.

    Luke Malek said: ...more hammer deaths in the USA than gun deaths... Proof for that statement Mr. Malek? If you cannot back this up, I will assume anything you say in the future is false.

     
  • blazer posted at 8:44 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    blazer Posts: 17

    Around here, the federal government is considered one of those fringe organizations.

     
  • Brent Regan posted at 8:42 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Brent Regan Posts: 609

    “Gun rights are god given??? … This is just silly.”

    The ignorance displayed by this comment is startling. The right to defend your life with ANY weapon is a God given right, even for atheists.

    From the Declaration of Independence “..all men are…endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life…” establishing that the Creator (God) has given you the right to Life which means you can defend that life.

    The Second Amendment enumerates the God given right: “…the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed…”. The Second Amendment does not grant the right. It acknowledges the right and then prohibits the government from infringing on that right.

     
  • Why Not posted at 8:42 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Why Not Posts: 4114

    Thanks JI, your posts are entertaining, but give someone else a chance and for petesake use your spell check and wipe that foam from around your mouth.

     
  • hiway90 posted at 8:40 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    hiway90 Posts: 61

    So..In typical media bias, this article, which is written about the concerns our legistatures are dealing with, to do with our trampled infringed upon rights, ends with a poor choice journalism slur supposedly said by someones wife, to purposely take the conversation away from the subject matter and focus it on Racism?
    What is CDA Press coming to really? Great journalism ? or liberal reteric..

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 8:20 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Randy will support anyone who hopes to restrict anyone Randy disagrees with, and that goes along with calling someone "racist" becasue they disagree witht he idiot the liberal leeches have elected.
    Randy isn't a part of North Idaho, him & the other commies should "dig in their heels" & move to somehwere where they're welcome.
    I BET you, Randy, that you & your ilk don't have any anti-gun stickers on your cars when you go to town shopping, do you? And I BET you & your weak kneed group don't talk too loud about taking away anyone's guns out loud, now do you?
    liberals are the worst thing that ever HAPPENED to America. PROOF is every major American city. The ONLY one that is "growing" is Washington DC, and that's ONLY because the dimmcrabs convinced enough sheeple that they'd keep sending them money...

     
  • Insider posted at 8:20 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Insider Posts: 360

    Agreed, Brent. The psychological aspect of the proposed ban is ridiculous. Yes, they look like military weapons, so let's ban the flash suppressor, bayonet lug, pistol grip, barrel shroud and any aspect of the cosmetics that make it look military-like. Of course that will keep all the mass bayonettings and pistol grippings to a minimum. Gun bans don't work, period. I am very much looking forward to seeing the State of Idaho stand up and tell the Feds, NO, we will not enforce any changes to our 2A rights, nor allow you to penalize the law abiding.

    It sounds like Feinstein's proposal doesn't even have enough votes to make it out of committee. This will get interesting if Obama decides to try to legislate through Executive Order.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 8:15 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    "Changes are coming at the federal level," Morse said. "We will take whatever defensive postures we need at the state level to try and blunt those here in Idaho."
    Excellent.

    "I'm with you on the guns - absolutely," Sen. John Goedde, R-Coeur d'Alene, told the audience. "That's very, very important to protect the rest of the Constitution."
    Absolutely.

    "Rep. Frank Henderson, R-Post Falls, said legislation in Wyoming, Montana, Texas and other states has been written in response to Obama's efforts"
    That's right, and we need to join them.

    "That legislation is being studied, and Idaho will have its own bill sometime this coming week "that digs in our heels, and says not just 'no' but 'xxxx no' to those executive orders," Henderson said"
    OUTSTANDING.

    "The state representatives and senators didn't say what parts of the Obama administration's legislative proposals or executive actions they opposed"
    I guess "all of them" doesn't count. "Those in the audience Saturday said Obama is working to take weapons away from law-abiding gun owners and seeking to limit their freedoms, something the president has denied"
    Factually true.

    "Brent Regan, a Coeur d'Alene School District board member, told the legislators and audience that gun rights are God-given, and that many gun owners take that to heart"
    Brent Regan is 1,000% correct, and has my utter support.

    "Malek assured Regan he's already seen three pieces of legislation being developed to protect gun rights"
    VERY good.

    "What is a mental health issue has become a gun issue, and that's just not right," Malek said. "It's just a reaction that has nothing to do with the cause of what we were seeing (with recent mass shootings)."
    That's right as well.

    "Malek added, "More people are killed with hammers than they are with assault rifles in the United States, but for some reason we're going after assault rifles."
    Again correct.

    "Regan, responding to Malek, said he hasn't heard a concise definition of an "assault" weapon or rifle"
    That's right, because liberal communists don't know the difference between a handgun & a shotgun. They just need them "banned".

    "He said the legislature could help define what an assault weapon is to preserve rights of gun owners"
    You bet.

    "Then, Regan added, to some shocked and uncomfortable laughter and rumblings in the audience, "My wife and I were having this conversation and I said, 'They can't figure out what an assault weapon is - it's just black and it looks scary.' And she looks at me and says, 'Well, so is Obama.'"
    No question, they are right. And I GURANTEEE YOU that none of the laughter was "uncomfortable", that's just the writer's reaction. The people in North Idaho ALL KNOW what a full on disaster blobama is for America.

    So WHERE, writer, did anyone "propose restrictions on firearms"?
    What garbage.

    dimmcrabs are COMMUNISTS who justy don't know any better, and never read about anything that Stalin did.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 8:14 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    "Obamacare requires health insurance exchanges, which would allow people to shop for coverage"
    And smokers will pay a $4250.00 PER YEAR "penalty" for smoking each year, starting next year.
    That's because this law is FASCIST.

    "Freshman Rep. Luke Malek, R-Coeur d'Alene, said the state's residents are losing freedom whether a state-based exchange is established or a federal one is implemented, "which makes this an extremely difficult decision."
    This is factual.

    Either way, he said, "We're doing the will of the federal government."
    And not the will of the citizens of Idaho.

    "Basically it boils down to two (issues) for me - the Second Amendment and Obamacare, and those are all about freedom," said Rep. Ron Mendive, R-Coeur d'Alene, another freshman. "I am obviously opposed to any changes in the Second Amendment."
    Excellent, Mendive.

    "In the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Conn., that left 20 children and six adult staff members dead, the Obama administration has been looking at ways to limit access to assault weapons and high-capacity magazines and improve the background check system for gun purchases".
    Or; how about telling the truth:
    "The blowbahama administration has been seeking to use the Sandy Hook tragedy to further their agenda of disarming Americans completely, ensuring their vulnerability to any form of tyranny".

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 8:13 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    This is one of the worst most biased articles ever wrotten by one of the Press' people, No WONDER the communists below all rejoice; it was ignorant of a LOT of FACTS:
    "several proposed federal restrictions on firearms"
    I guess NO MENTION of the 90%+ that were there specifically to rail AGAINST firearms laws?

    "In the absence of active legislation in Boise, the conversation Saturday zeroed in on President Barack Obama's health-care reform legislation and a recent package of legislation and executive actions aimed at reducing gun violence"
    No MENTION of the idea that area residents are absolutely against every BIT of the 'president's actions"?
    NOPE.

    "Obama was easily re-elected in November, in part because of his success getting the landmark legislation passed"
    uMMM....NOPE.
    Oblowma was NOT "easily reelected". The only people that voted for him were city dwellers and those dependant on federal jobs and off of taxpayer money. The map of America's voters showed this very clearly, and there was NOTHING "easy" about blobama's reelection. You commies KNOW this, and it's absurd that the writer said it at all.

     
  • DCIDAHO posted at 8:12 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    DCIDAHO Posts: 2105

    Gun rights are god given??? Not hardly. How is it that some contrived god can "grant rights" such as gun ownership? This is just silly.

     
  • Brent Regan posted at 8:09 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Brent Regan Posts: 609

    My anecdotal comment illustrates the difficulty in defining “Assault Rifle” simply by visual characteristics. None of the Feinstein prohibitions relate to the lethality of the rifle. Even if you could, less than 4% of murderers who use a gun use a rifle and the assault weapon ban address only a fraction of those.

    Regarding the charge of racism, the data is clear that Obama’s policies are hurting far more than they help. My wife and I fear for the future our children face with rising poverty and debt and the worst recovery EVER. Obama, Pelosi and Reid are all scary, not because of the color of their skin but the content of their character.

    I like the fact that Obama’s race proves that, as a country, we have transcended racism. Are there still racists? Yes, they are the ones who infer racism where none is implied.

     
  • truthful1 posted at 7:35 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    truthful1 Posts: 554

    another proud gun owner endorsed by the NRA:

    http://wonkette.com/498494/hero-dad-stands-ground-against-daughters-3-6-gpa

     
  • Insider posted at 7:33 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Insider Posts: 360

    Please do elaborate on your assertion.

     
  • Insider posted at 7:32 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Insider Posts: 360

    FBI Crime stats back it up, Randy. Feel free to look it up. Granted "blunt objects" includes hammers and clubs.

     
  • Enigma posted at 7:15 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Enigma Posts: 5

    What a way to go white trash of Idaho, a bunch of uneducated individuals.

     
  • voxpop posted at 7:10 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    voxpop Posts: 738

    This is what it's come down to in Idaho. Partisanship to the extreme. It's obvious that Regan needs to resign from the Cda school board IMMEDIATELY. This exemplifies what we DON'T want to teach our kids in our schools. And it's not like this is the first time one of these "appointed" members have inappropriately blurted out some sort of biased, insensitive comment. I'm glad the Cda Press covered this in this way. It is how reporting is supposed to work.

     
  • Why Not posted at 6:44 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Why Not Posts: 4114

    Black and looks scary, huh? Way to go Joe Idaho I thought you were more intelligent than that.

     
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