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Posted: Friday, December 28, 2012 12:00 am

COEUR d'ALENE - The McEuen Park designers want the city to add previously cut amenities to the park design, saying the scaled-down version has lost the project's original focus: Creating a one-of-a-kind public destination.

The amenities include tennis courts that double as pickle ball courts, basketball courts, a built out pavilion that can seat up to 600 people, and an information center and restroom facility, dubbed the Harbor House, near the Third Street entrance to Tubbs Hill.

They're all amenities that were penned into the original conceptual plan two years ago but had been peeled away as the project was fine-tuned and costs and revenue sources were compared.

Adding them back in, of course, adds to the cost.

It would mean the project could cost between $16.8 million and $17.6 million, so the city would have to secure between $3.4 million and $4.2 million to make it happen.

But without the amenities, Parks Director Doug Eastwood told city officials Thursday during the third and final progress workshop on the project's design, the city might not be seizing the opportunity to build the best park it can.

"That's when I called time out," Eastwood said of the day he noticed playground equipment got slashed from the project for budget reasons. "I said, 'I think we've lost focus here.'"

The workshop Thursday detailed the plan at the 90 percent completion mark. Whichever version of the plan the city council decides on Wednesday should go out to bid in January.

The park designers, Team McEuen, gave similar progress reports at the 30 and 60 percent completion marks. It was after the 60 percent report that Eastwood said he noticed the park was getting too scaled back. Planning was focusing too much on the estimated $14.2 million budget at the time, he said, and items like the playground and splash pad, which should have been the park's focus, started to get chopped away.

"I think we have to get back to what this project was all about at the beginning," he said. "This puts it back and recaptures the vision."

The city will decide Wednesday if it wants to fund the added amenities - and if so, how.

The estimated $3.4 million to $4.3 million shortfall assumes the city will pledge around $1.4 million from future budgets for the project, and that the $1.2 million Local Improvement District with property owners on Front Avenue will go through - neither of which has been decided.

That would leave the city asking the project's chief financial supporter, Lake City Development Corp., to bridge the difference.

The urban renewal agency secured a $16.75 million line of credit to fund the project, and has pledged around $12 million already.

Pitching in an additional $4 million would essentially exhaust its Lake District financing. That means the agency likely wouldn't be able to fund other projects inside the Lake District - the urban renewal district in which McEuen Field sits - before it closes in 2021, LCDC Executive Director Tony Berns said following Thursday's presentation.

"That's something the (LCDC) board will have to consider," he said, adding that it would be unlikely the agency could cover the city or LID shares should those fall through.

So the plan would have to change if those funding sources don't come through.

The project's vision when it was unveiled two years ago was to provide the most outdoor opportunities for the most people year round. Eastwood reminded the crowd Thursday of that pledge, saying the project had come too far to short change it now.

"Five million bucks to make it bitchin'," City Councilman Woody McEvers agreed with Eastwood.

"Bite the bullet and go big," he said.

But the proposed change also focuses the spotlight on a topic that has been a sore point for some people - the project's price tag. More specifically: The dollarestimates that have changed several times as the project blueprint have.

Critics of the park plan have said the park should have been built to a specific dollar amount, the way someone designs a house to fit his or her budget. They've voiced frustration over the years that the park is being constructed from a wish list, which could leave the city looking for money after earlier versions of the park plan have already been completed.

The city had nearly secured all of the $14.2 million for the park project when that was the estimated cost. Now it could be looking to find $4 million.

"Frustration," City Councilman Steve Adams described his reaction after the workshop. "It seems like at every turn this thing has changed."

Part of his frustration is the city's $1.4 million share. It would be comprised of $650,000 of next fiscal year's overlay fund, $470,000 of rainy day funds, and $400,000 in parks capital improvement funds. Parks and overlay funds were tapped as funding sources this year, and using next year's overlay funds would mean city streets wouldn't be overlaid for two years in a row because of the McEuen Field project.

"Another year we sacrifice for this park that wasn't supposed to have a nickel of taxpayer money," Adams said. "I thought we had this funded. I thought we were good to go."

City Administrator Wendy Gabriel said the rainy day funds could be used because it would fund expanded utility options around the project.

The amenities also include an expanded grand plaza near the boat launch, a second elevator in the parking structure and decorated concrete and improved landscaping near the pedestrian intersection at Front Avenue and Fourth Street. The updated cost depends on how many of the features the council wants to include.

The park used to have tennis courts, but they were removed in late 2009 and early 2010 after they wore out. It had basketball courts as well, but Eastwood said both sets would be better quality than what was there.

Thursday's workshop unveiled the latest changes in the park plan, which was a central issue in the unsuccessful recall election effort last summer. Recall supporters at the time pointed to the targeted officials spending too much money on the park without allowing a public vote as a reason for the effort, while the officials pointed to the amenities that were added or subtracted from the plan as having showed it was a plan that involved compromise and community input.

"We're not going over budget," Councilman Mike Kennedy said after the 60 percent completion presentation in October. "That's the bottom line."

But he said Thursday that one of the "political compromises" with the project included moving the boat trailer parking spots closer to the boat launch, which added upward of $500,000 to the plan. The topic will go before the council at 6 p.m. Wednesday in the Community Room of the Coeur d'Alene Public Library.

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176 comments:

  • Ghost Writer posted at 3:04 pm on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

    Ghost Writer Posts: 53

    Regardlees of the Color of the State your from, your Skin, your Religion, or your Status in Society, There is fact. " Money is being spent without a public say", On a public land, without the public approval. I will say I do not Live in CDA so there will be those of you who feel I do not have the right to comment. I have listened to your Mayor very closely and your Council that is well divided. The people of CDA will continue to loose as long as the current political figures are in office who keep dictating what to do without PUBLIC VOTE. Just Like Washington they keep being voted in and keep their constituents one step behind. The Time is now to look for those that reperesent the people as a whole. As a county resident I enjoy going to town to eat, shop and watch my children jump off Tubbs Hill and Play in the most natrual park with such beauty. but like many others that to will come to an end unless the PEOPLE vote to change it. I vote to preserve it for the future generations of CDA and use the money elsewhere.

     
  • Jullee posted at 11:12 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

    Jullee Posts: 563

    I find it interesting that John A goes to the park almost daily. but thinks it is unusable. Huh !
    Hence millions of taxes as to entertain another out of the area person that will not pay a dime toward this.
    Fact still is John does not live here or pay any of the taxes that are funding this.
    Why don't you live here ? For a guy with so many opinions and concerns about how my taxes are being spent a person would think you vested in the city.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 7:39 pm on Wed, Jan 2, 2013.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    Watch out Joe, jonny boy is calling you out like the big bad school ground bully that he and the rest of the stakeholders do when cornered. That's what bullies do.

     
  • John Austin posted at 7:10 pm on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

    John Austin Posts: 104

    JoeIdaho, I don't appreciate your reference to me. So, I challenge you to call me that face to face. My email address in johnaustin8@wildblue.net. Let me know where you would like to meet. Where I come from you settle slanderous or libelous things said about you face to face. So, I'll wait to hear from you. Otherwise, I'll assume, which I already can surmise, that you are a coward hiding behind your anonymity.

     
  • Always Curious posted at 7:37 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

    Always Curious Posts: 498

    Timeless is the kind of poster that would have a difficult time being noticed in the tool section of a hardware store.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 6:42 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    You are correct LTRLTR. Timeless sounds just like the condescending mikey himself that represents his handlers and to H3!! with the actual constituents that he has been elected to represent.

     
  • Timeless posted at 6:20 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    Julie Clark for City Council. You' re so smart why don't you run for office and show everyone just how to run a city. It's complicated.

     
  • Timeless posted at 6:16 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    Cmmama: Apparently you did not realize that the Parking lot is being removed to create a paradise, these lyrics don't apply here.

     
  • Timeless posted at 2:02 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    LTRLTR: zzzzzzzz

    See you at the polls.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 1:36 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    And the 2012 King of Rude Award goes to......open the envelop please.......hold on, almost have it open...........................................Timeless!

    Congratulations Timeless!

    Let’s all agree to disagree, be thankful for our blessings, and plan on working hard on the next 2013 Council Elections to remove the Old and replace with the New.

     
  • Timeless posted at 1:03 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    What in the world do improvements to the park, have to do with people losing their jobs and homes?

    Get used to it. The days of logging and lumber mill jobs in CDA are loooong gone and never coming back, thanks to you Liberal tree huggers.

    CDA is tourist town now. Find a way to capitalize on that or move. I don't know what else to say.

    Time to watch the Seahawks.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 12:39 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    I am glad you find humor in people being jobless and losing their homes. You and every citizen in CdA should be outraged.

     
  • Timeless posted at 12:29 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    Concerned:
    Yes
    No
    No
    No
    Ah, so now we have the motive for your rage.....you didn't get new office furniture.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 12:29 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    babydriver

    The recall did NOT fail. The inept SOS TWISTED the LAW to suit a more preferable outcome for the stakeholders..
    There were more signatures on the recall petitions than original votes for those that where being recalled.

    We get the government that the stakeholders manipulate into play for them. Especially in Coeur d'Alene.

     
  • babydriver posted at 11:50 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

    babydriver Posts: 1393

    If I recall correctly, (pun intended) the voters had a chance to get a recall on the ballot and chose not to.

    This is exactly like the mess in D.C.

    We have exactly the government we deserve.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 11:49 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    Let me ask you this Timeless.
    Do you own a business?
    If so, would you keep a manager that was in direct supervision of an employee that cost you $365,000?
    Could your business stand to LOSE $365,000?
    Would you keep the person in charge of doing a background check and hiring the employee that had stolen that kind of money from your business?
    Would you keep an employee that constantly lied to you about you business?
    How long would you be in business if those that worked for you manipulated funds robbing from critical departments that keep your company moving to fund new office furniture for their office?

     
  • babydriver posted at 11:46 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

    babydriver Posts: 1393

    What does smoking a bowl have to to with any of it?

     
  • Timeless posted at 11:26 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    I see that my comment was deleted, while the above caustic rage was allowed?

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 9:19 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    Then why do the elitists feel the need to plunder and STEAL public funds in this economy? They don't have enough? You are so afraid of mingling with the "LOWER CLASS" by driving them out of their homes that have been in their families for decades through higher taxes. Have you seen some of the slums that these elitists own or are you one of those slumlords?

    There is a sense of entitlement to plunder even at taxpayer expense. Look at the mayor and select council members giving a pass to all involved in the embezzlement case. In any other private sector business there would have been some firing done along with the criminal prosecution. You have no conscience. You drive our youth from our city with no promise nor sense of home just so you can make that extra buck on the backs of the rest of us. You are not businessmen and women. You are legal thieves.

     
  • Timeless posted at 8:30 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    Concerned : And all without one bit of public recognition.

     
  • Timeless posted at 8:25 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    Sorry, that last comment was directed at Concerned Citizen

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 4:00 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    No. you have given YOUR explanation over the years. Just because you repeat yourself does not make it fact. A lie is a lie is a lie no matter how many times you and your cohorts claim it to be true.

    And to my other comment, there are those of you that do things ONLY for the recognition and not for the right reasons. I am amazed at how many of you have to have your name on the front page of the press when there are those in this community that give 100x more without the hoopla.

     
  • Timeless posted at 3:47 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    ConcernedC: Your questions have been Asked and Answered so many times on these blogs over the past year, it's really strange that you still don't understand.

    I have no idea what you are referring to: .....some did not pay to have their name on a plaque.....
    Also a strange thing to say.

    If you want to make an impact on Cda in a positive way, you will.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 3:15 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    timeless,

    There are many that HAVE served on boards, committees and have business(s) in the downtown. Just because some did not "pay" to have their name on some plaque does not mean that they are not involved in our community or are uneducated about our community.

    FACTS are
    The LCDC does NOT have the money in an account waiting to be distributed as the park is built.

    The money that John Austin is referring to for the park is in FUTURE revenue that has NOT been collected yet.

    If Mr Austin and his cohorts have been working on this for 20 years, where is the money that SHOULD have been set aside for funding?

    The mayor promised that NO tax money would be used.

    The mayor and select members of the city council promised that taxes would NOT be increased to fund the park

    The mayor and select members of the city council said there is/was only ONE phase.to the park

    More voters signed the recall per individual to be recalled than those that voted to put them in office.

    It is my opinion that one, if not more, stakeholders placed a call to the inept SOS to sway the outcome of the recall.

    John Austin himself said that without UR we would not attract "WEALTHY" developers to the area.

    People like Mr Austin claim that UR money and Grant money is NOT tax money when in fact it is ALL tax money and like Randy has pointed out does NOT just magically appear from nowhere. Mr Austin makes his living off of skimming his portion of taxes collected from you and me. Of COURSE he condones and defends this kind of theft.

    These are the very people that drove out the ONLY livable wage jobs that have been replaced with $3.35 per hour slave labor service jobs. Then tell us the need for the REST of us to provide low income housing, another tax, for the very people that THEY are keeping in poverty. And all this while they take multiple exotic vacations and build massive mega mansions in the desert.

     
  • chouli posted at 3:14 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1283

    surely you can add more to the discussion than that.
    all of us think the park could have used a facelift... like new public rest rooms, tennis courts, less parking lot area, etc...but $40+ million to $14 million and now back to adding more cost... makes me wonder if ANYONE in city hall has a shred of professionalism or knows what they're doing at all.

     
  • NAS4AH2 posted at 12:53 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    NAS4AH2 Posts: 71

    I'm hungry! Time to feed... This John Austin cat sounds well fed.

     
  • efromm posted at 12:43 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    efromm Posts: 689

    So now I am un informed? You know this as a fact?

    " I say that it is ridiculous and unproductive to rant and criticize on a newspaper blog. If you really want to affect change, get involved, don't just $itch"

    How would you know if I was involved or not? Your making assumptions. We can reach a broader audience by complaining on a newspaper blog. Which in turn informs others that they are not the only ones feeling the way we do. Which in turn will make others want to get involved.

    " Most people who post on this blog are not only uninformed, but unwilling to accept facts when they are pointed out to them. I think that is called being bull headed. "

    If the shoe fits timeless wear it. Your making another assumption and a generalization. Your exactly the same my friend.

    "I'm all for exercising your 1st Amendment Rights, but it does not require rancor to do so."
    Your kidding right? You have to be. If no one ever got fired up nothing would ever get done.

    You did not even respond to what I said.

    I was at the Tea Party Rally in DC. Where were you?

     
  • CaiusCosades posted at 12:15 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    CaiusCosades Posts: 380

    I think the expansion of the park is a great idea.

     
  • Timeless posted at 11:59 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    Your neighbor: please forgive the typo, sometimes my iPad misspells on my behalf. I did not say that those in office were forced to run or to serve, where did you get that from?

     
  • yourneighbor posted at 11:28 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    yourneighbor Posts: 224

    Timeless you're clueless. Just like efromm said No one forces any of these people into running for office.. Before you start to call all of us( geniouses ) learn how to spell it..Geniuses

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 11:23 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Isn't it amazing the attitudes that come from LEECHES like Austin?

    And here's the most incredible part; he's one of the only ones FROM government who opens his trap; the rest of them THINK just like he does, they just don't say it out loud.

    Hey you; public, taxpayers, you mean NOTHING. Get used to it, Austin has, and so has Bloehm, and the rest of our government, top to bottom. All this is is a lesson in how things work; on how little actual impact the citizenry has on government activity.
    This is what the communists said, and then DID:

    "Don't want to spend 42 MILLION DOLLARS on a park? OK, we approved it, and THANK GOD, now let's go BREAK SOME GROUND!"

     
  • Timeless posted at 11:19 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    Efromm: Ridiculous you say? I say that it is ridiculous and unproductive to rant and criticize on a newspaper blog. If you really want to affect change, get involved, don't just $itch. Most people who post on this blog are not only uninformed, but unwilling to accept facts when they are pointed out to them. I think that is called being bull headed.
    I'm all for exercising your 1st Amendment Rights, but it does not require rancor to do so.

     
  • efromm posted at 11:02 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    efromm Posts: 689

    I see the attacks coming from both sides. It's a way to divert us from what is really happening behind closed doors. No one forces any of these people into running for office. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. This is the electorate exercising their 1st amendment rights. Are you saying that they should just stfu unless they have been in office? Or ever ran? Ridiculous....

     
  • kimknerl posted at 10:56 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    kimknerl Posts: 286

    So, who are we going to believe, the John Austin’s and his group of profiteers, or those who gain nothing financially? I’m going with the latter.

    John once told me he didn’t have a dog in this race, however, the truth is, he is the dog, the race track, the grandstands, and just about everything else.

     
  • Timeless posted at 10:41 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    I would like to see all of the geniouses here, run for public office. If only to see if they could " take" the vicious attacks they so easily dish out.

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 10:34 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    LMYCDA Posts: 2288

    Timeless, was that really called for? Why are you such an angry person? Always slamming those that don't have much. I see many that ride the bus and they certainly are not homeless as that matters anyway.

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 10:22 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    LMYCDA Posts: 2288

    And JUST LOOK WHERE IT GOT US. Poor Timeless.

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 10:20 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    LMYCDA Posts: 2288

    I think that is part of Timeless' problem. Hasn't planned for the future, so is very bitter and takes it out on others.

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 10:19 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    LMYCDA Posts: 2288

    Oh and it is LMYCDA. Poor timeless, can't even read right. Now calm down Timeless, everything is going to be ok.

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 10:18 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    LMYCDA Posts: 2288

    And where was I a jerk? Did I say something that upset you little Timeless? Brother aren't we a little touchy.

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 10:17 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    LMYCDA Posts: 2288

    Stay on topic and stop with the hate the democrats rants. This is about right here, ok, not DC. You want to rant and rave about the nutcases in DC, republicans, independents, democrats, tea bags, etc., then set up a blog about that. Thank you.

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 10:14 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    LMYCDA Posts: 2288

    JClark, you are so right with the parking. Move it north. Has anyone heard anything about the LID for those fronting Front Ave.? I bet Ms. Tina Johnson is one upset little woman about that. She thought she was going to get all this pretty, pretty, for her and hubby to look at for NOTHING. Fooled again.

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 10:12 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    LMYCDA Posts: 2288

    Why does Austin have a post office box in Chelan, WA? Does he even live in Idaho?

     
  • Mary Souza posted at 10:05 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Mary Souza Posts: 808

    There's a Barbara Streisand song from the early 70's that reminds me of many of our local officials in this McEuen fiasco. It's called "The Flim Flam Man". Here are some of the lyrics, see if you think they fit:

    "Hands off the man
    Flim flam man
    His mind is up his sleeve
    And his talk is make believe

    Oh, Lord, the man's a fraud
    He's a flim flam man
    He's so cagey
    He's a flim flam man

    Hands off the man
    Flim flam man
    He's the one in the Trojan Horse
    Making out like he's Santa Claus

    Oh, don't worry
    He's dishonest
    So don't believe him
    He's a flim flam man"

     
  • wheels1 posted at 9:40 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    wheels1 Posts: 461

    JClark is right.The parking should be moved north.

     
  • chouli posted at 9:08 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1283

    "LIKE" to straightup...

     
  • chouli posted at 8:57 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1283

    John, the City of CDA pays its employees well above what people make in the private sector...and well above what similar sizes cities pay their employees for the same jobs. Did you miss the Press article listing the number of City employees making OVER $100K per year? Or do you conveniently forget about things that don't fit with your spin?

     
  • Justin Cottrell posted at 8:55 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Justin Cottrell Posts: 157

    Johnnie-boy Austin- way to address the issue and questions asked of you. In your typical socialistic fashion, you dodge and return fire with poking fun and pulling up old news that doesn't apply. Please do us all a favor, enjoy your retirement and leave CDA alone while living in your house outside of city limits, paid for by the good tax-payers of CDA. Just leave quietly, I've grown tired of your lame recapitulated rhetoric.

     
  • chouli posted at 8:53 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1283

    why would Parkwood (Nipp & Meyer) be exempt from the Front Ave LID? Can't wait to hear this one...the more connected and more money you have, the less the rules apply?? LOL

     
  • chouli posted at 8:44 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1283

    joe (@ 5:02) the recall election was set up for failure. they status quo couldn't allow that to pass at any expense. the Sect State was in on it as well chaning timelines and rules as they went. There were TOO many votes thrown out to have been legit...including my legitimate vote, which still burns my but. Has any other ecall election ever had that many votes disqualified before?? And timelines changing?

    So for those that didnt support the recall, I hope those folks are feelin' it now. Are they finally waking up to the deception and dishonesty in city hall?

     
  • chouli posted at 8:35 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1283


    'reimbursements of costs" = paying big money to your chosen cronies who develop for big profits
    = corporate welfare on our dime

    don't be condescending to us by assuming we "can't understand how the funding works" because we understand the game very well.

     
  • chouli posted at 8:29 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1283

    THANK YOU apathoid...you spoke for MANY of us !

     
  • straight up posted at 7:59 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    straight up Posts: 963

    John A - yeah, I guess you do work in the public sector - as a professional tax skimmer. You assist elected officials who have agendas figure out how to skim tax dollars away from schools, fire, police, streets, etc. and into the coffers of developers and special interests when you set up Urban Renewal Districts for them. Your latest Bajillionaire Haven up in Dover - sure nice for the snobby, out of state pretty people you brought in up there. CityLink - There's a real private enterprise,,,oh that's right, The Tribe and Kootenai County taxpayers fund that one - bet you don't work for free there, Panhandle Area Council - taking large percentages of government grants to "manage" them so the elected officials can let their paid staff not manage them even though they are on payroll to do so - what a racket that one is! Yeah, you are a free-enterprise capitalist all the way...as long as there are tax dollars paying your fees that is.

    Keep cheer leading up all that Urban Renewal and those government funded boondoggles - it sure has been good to you and your cronies.

     
  • Timeless posted at 7:01 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    City Link has become nothing more than FREE transportation for the homeless to the various soup kitchens. I would never let my kids ride that bus.

     
  • exclamation posted at 3:34 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    exclamation Posts: 56

    Phew I guess it was a" bitchin" idea to move to post falls. Sorry to all the folks that live in cda get out while you still can because the pirates have hijacked the ship and your wallets.

     
  • efromm posted at 12:15 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    efromm Posts: 689

    I don't remember paying to park in 92 I do remember it in 94-95 ish. I used to have a girlfriend that worked at the resort. So I had to move her car for her after the two hours was up. It's funny but there were not that many employees down town that were filling up the lots. The paid parking was just another way for the city to take money for you coming down town period. It's a tax. Lets call these things what they are. TAXES! They are not donations. If you went door to door I wonder how many people will actually open up their wallets and give you the money to pay for Mc Ruin. I am betting a heck of a lot fewer than you would like to admit.

    I find it interesting that elected officials and public employees think they know better than the public they serve. You see it when you deal with the police the fire department dmv parks dept the list goes on. It's interesting that it has become that way. That we the people are now the servants. What are any of us really going to do? NOTHING. It's going to go through and your all going to pay for it. It's what John is telling you. It's a done deal. He is kicking his feet up and laughing at everyone who comments on this article. Cause he knows something you don't.

    He is challenging people to dig into his personal records? Why? Sounds like typical narcissistic behavior. He likes to be in some sort of spotlight. Somewhere in his mind he did all of us a favor. And we are un grateful buffoons. The real fools are the people. For not being vigilant. They have taken advantage of our good nature. And our kindness. And they have used it against us. We have a live and let live attitude around here. And for the most part I can see now how that was our down fall.

    By placing those adds in the LA Times duwane and his real estate friends have made a killing off of this place. There is no room for low income in Cda. Retirees with pensions from down south please come up. Locals. Move out. There is no use for you here. At least that is the message I have been hearing for over a decade. They chased the kids off of Sherman. And replaced them with drunks and bars. This is what we want for a down town?

    People beating one another up? Gun fights? Not to mention the destruction of private property that they do walking between bars tearing up flower planters and such. The community feel of CDA has been sold out. What your left with is a facade of what it used to be. And the more it grows the worse it gets. In the next 20 years I will bet you that a lot of you will see the light. You will realize what you used to have. By then like it is now it's too late to go back.

     
  • JClark posted at 11:16 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    JClark Posts: 91

    oops...Walker Macy was 300,000 or so! Tax dollars may I add.

     
  • JClark posted at 11:06 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    JClark Posts: 91

    Mr. Austin. Thank you for clarifing the fact that You negociated/invited the extortionist racketeers known as Diamond Parking to solve the downtown parking problems ,as you admit. Under your reign, the City of Coeurd'Alene was too inept to allow the merchants and business people to handle their own parking The funds received from Diamond Parking were to go into the Parking fund as you well know. I believe this fund was established initially in part so that property North of Sherman could be purchased for parking to take the pressure off the existing city lot next to the lake because many involved recognized that the lakefront property was a stupid place to park cars. May I please clarify that the two hour parking has created a hostile environment for anyone that chooses to visit our beautiful business district. I believe you will remember that the Walker Macy plan, that us taxpayers paid $3000,000+ tax $$$ for, reiterated the need for parking North of Sherman and identified all the numerous available lots, which are still available after the "Parking Park" is built for the Resort. It appears, by your own admission, that you may be the root of this weed!

     
  • JClark posted at 10:33 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    JClark Posts: 91

    Oh yes...and some of that money goes to our current downtown association...to keep them out of the parking business...

     
  • JClark posted at 10:31 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    JClark Posts: 91

    Mr. Austin...Bitchin dude...Ms. Bloem was not Mayor then...but she was the person involved with the downtown that actually cried tears in order to deploy Diamond Parking...go the the old CDA Press...you will see.

     
  • John Austin posted at 10:24 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    John Austin Posts: 104

    JClark, your facts are off. Diamond Parking was first contracted in 1992 under Mayor Ray Stone. I know because I negotiated the contract with them. That was the second year of paid parking in the big lot downtown. The first year had another contractor who lost a ton of money and wanted out. Since that time, the city has banked a large amount of money from its Diamond contracts and some of that will go toward the new parking facility under Front Avenue, as it should. The reason the city went to two hours free parking both on the street and in its parking lots was to encourage the turnover of parking spaces in both, and to keep downtown workers from monopolizing those spaces all day long.

    Not only did it solve that problem but it also has provided $100,000 a year to the city's parking fund. So, it was a good thing all around.

     
  • kimknerl posted at 10:16 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    kimknerl Posts: 286

    Well said, rio lobo!

    Yeah Doug, Woody, Mike, Deanna, Sandi, and all the wealthy puppeteers that manipulate what goes on in Coeur d'Alene. Get out your checkbooks and spread some ink! That would be really bitchin!

     
  • JClark posted at 10:06 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    JClark Posts: 91

    Ziggy..and others...The City Parking lot has been owned by the City, but there was a time when the Downtown Merchants pitched in for snow removal and were able to provide free parking so that downtown customers could enjoy free parking and a "red carpet" treatment. When the Coeurd'Alene Resort was built and they decided to charge their patrons for parking in their garage, Resort customers that balked at that were told to go park in the City lot for free. This became a problem so Mayor Bloem at that time offered Diamond Parking a chance to manage the parking for the city. Under City management, the city had a $ 10,000 deficit.....they lost money! Diamond Parking was able to pay $ 125,000 upfront to manage the City lot and they showed a tidy profit. Since then, they have managed to control most of the downtown Coeurd'Alene parking and many bank lots. Because Diamond Parking can make a profit while the City of Coeurd'Alene loses money, maybe Diamond Parking should be contracted to run the city...all of it! In the meantime, we have a "for profit" solution to a perceived parking problem which penalizes locals for coming downtown. Penalizing people for parking to shop creates a hostile environment and frankly this 15+ million "Parking Park" is not a solution. This works well for the Resort complex, but our City is in dire need of a "fiscal intervention".

     
  • stebbijo posted at 10:00 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    stebbijo Posts: 49

    Quit working, John. Let it go and retire. I am sorry if you feel abused and you have such a horrible life that public service gives you such grief. You might consider some counseling to help with you with your emotional turmoil, or get over it and calm down. Quit trying so hard. I am sure your yard is big enough for a pickle ball court for your grandkids. I am glad you are successful - isn't the success you have now, enough?

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 9:59 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    LMBO jonny boy

    The recall did NOT fail. The stakeholders called in a favor to the inept SOS that TWISTED the LAW to suit your needs.

    There were more signatures on the recall than votes for those to be recalled.

    Twist away jonnyboy. Twist away.

     
  • John Austin posted at 9:57 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    John Austin Posts: 104

    How funny, Mary. I work from home and contract for my offices in Hayden and Post Falls. So, my only equipment, as I stated earlier, is my computer and cell phone. I was amused when Mike sent me a tax bill for $2.88 and considered paying it in two equal installments. As far as my real property taxes, I challenge you, or your 'techie' person, to identify all of my properties in north Idaho, on which I pay taxes. It will be a real hoot seeing you chase them down.

     
  • John Austin posted at 9:41 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    John Austin Posts: 104

    Straight up, I also work in a competitive free market. It's the second job I've had for nearly forty years in the private sector so I could afford to work in the public sector. I've earned every dime, working these two jobs since high school, including three years in the mines while I was in college. Call them cushy jobs if you want, but nothing can prepare you for the abuse you'll take as a public servant and for wages that are less than two thirds what you can make working in just the private sector. So, get over it.

     
  • John Austin posted at 9:33 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    John Austin Posts: 104

    Actually, Mary, you should be ashamed of yourself. You lost big time in your effort to recall four people who were just doing their job and you simply can't get over it. At least you have the guts to post under your real name. That's a credit to you, unlike the other losers on here. But, you've got it all wrong on McEuen and I think you know it.

    I really feel sorry for you and your little band of two or three followers on your blog. I post on the Spokesman site because the moderator keeps things civil, unlike when I posted the truth on your blog, under my own name and got nailed for it. It's like that old movie line from Jack Nicholson: "You can't stand the truth". At some point, I think it will be next November, you'll come to realize that the majority of people really liked and wanted the changes to McEuen Field, and that's when we can end this dialogue and get on with the next twenty years in CDA.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 9:27 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    So is parkwood going to be exempt from the LID for front street? jonny sure found a loop hole. :)

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 9:25 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    HMMMMMMM
    Maybe we should look into some of the OTHER stakeholders contributions to the local taxing entities compared to what the rest of us pay
    .

     
  • Mary Souza posted at 9:14 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    Mary Souza Posts: 808

    OMG! It's true. LTR said in the 5:17pm post here that John Austin's business, Austin Consulting, is listed on the County Treasurer's site as paying a total of $2 dollars and 88 cents in property taxes for this year. Please compare that to the more than $10, 500. our small business paid for property taxes in 2012. Up more than 40% over the past several years.

    I couldn't get into the Assessor's property valuation search for John's business, but I'm having a techie guy look into it and find the assessed value. I'll let you know--check over on OpenCdA.com

    John Austin (former CdA city treasurer) constantly says the city should spend and spend and the citizens don't know what we are talking about. Less than three bucks a year John!...oh my.

     
  • straight up posted at 9:09 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    straight up Posts: 963

    Man, somebody sure is getting testy and showing their elitist arrogance....

    One thing I've come to live with is that pushy, arrogant people most often make a lot more money than me and live in bigger houses and enjoy all that goes with the higher income.

    Me, though I make my money in a competitive, free market. I don't mooch my way, slurping from tax-funded through to tax-funded trough where performance is less important than how well you toot your own horn and rub up with the pretty people, creating your own cushy positions on the tax-payer's dime.

    I accept the income difference and enjoy respecting myself and not having to stomp on other's heads to get ahead.

    To each their own I reckon.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 8:54 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    ALL of the money is borrowed for McEuen. Not one penny is in place is it jonny? It is ALL on future INCREASED tax revenues. Ain't that right jonny? People like you THRIVE on the $3.35 per hour SLAVE labor service jobs since you drove out all of those undesirable livable wage blue collar industries.

    People like you make my stomach turn.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 8:46 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    jonny live off of our taxes. Of COURSE the mayor and her cohorts can do no wrong in his eyes. Big government eh jonny boy?

     
  • Mary Souza posted at 8:29 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    Mary Souza Posts: 808

    Also, John Austin, you are going after people here who blog under assumed names? Why don't you say these things over on the nasty, awful Spokane blog that you frequent? Most of them use anonymous names but you never seem to complain there...oh, because they always agree with you!

     
  • Mary Souza posted at 8:25 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    Mary Souza Posts: 808

    Wow, "efromm", John Austin really said that about Marv? What an awful comment to make about someone who died: "I was really said until I realized he didn't agree with me on a political matter, so now I'm just sad."

    I knew Marv Lekstum well, and he was a man who was dedicated to doing the right thing, no matter what the consequences. John Austin does not have that kind of character.

    John Austin will tell you he was the CdA City Treasurer when the first CdA Urban Renewal Agency (later renamed LCDC) was established here in CdA. He's retired from the city but makes his living "consulting" with little towns who want to start urban renewal agencies and use taxpayer money to reward developers. But don't worry---"it's free money!", according to John Austin. And if you believe that....

    Really, John, you should be ashamed of yourself.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 8:06 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Assumed names? WOW Is that legal?

     
  • efromm posted at 7:50 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    efromm Posts: 689

    JohnA on June 12 at 7:16 p.m.

    “I felt really sad when I saw Marv Lekstrum died. Until I saw that he signed Mike’s recall petition. Now I just feel sad. The only thing I can figure out is that Lakes Highway District, on which he was an elected official, loses money each year LCDC is in existence and he thought to his dying day that recalling these folks would end that diversion of cash. In any event I am saddened by the fact that he died but equally saddened by the fact that one of his last functions was to sign a recall petition.

    It brings up an interesting point. What happens if the signer has passed on? I’m guessing it is a valid signature. Kind of like when the levy for the Post Falls High School passed by one vote and it was later determined that an elderly lady had voted absentee in favor of the levy and then died before it could be counted. I always thought a room at the school should have been named for this lady but I’m probably just a little morbid about such things. :)

    RIP Marv, even if you were a little misguided at the end.”

    Really John? I think we need to start taking a closer look at all of these folks....

     
  • John Austin posted at 7:40 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    John Austin Posts: 104

    LTR, post under your real name like I do, instead of hiding behind the cowardice of your anonymity, along with concernedcitizen, and then we'll do a tax search on you.

    Meanwhile, as any good tax accountant will do, I have set up separate accounts under which I pay my taxes and under different assumed names. Frustrating, isn't it, that you can't get the whole picture? In the meantime, just crawl back under your rock and we will all be better off for it.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 7:12 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    Do any of you REALLY think the mayor and her cronies care about the next election?

    THEY GOT WHAT THEY WANTED!

    jonny keeps saying its paid for. It is NOT. It is BORROWED MONEY!

    timeless, I cannot get over how brown your nose is.

     
  • Timeless posted at 6:55 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    LTRLTR: You are making yourself look foolish.

     
  • parent posted at 6:32 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    parent Posts: 347

    Woody,I think the people here think differently than you and I don't think they care much for your choice of words either. : ) Next election will be fun.

     
  • heatherfeather posted at 6:17 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    heatherfeather Posts: 297

    No worries. The city will make this up in hotel tax revenue on the hotel tower which will be built on Front. Really!

     
  • CaiusCosades posted at 6:14 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    CaiusCosades Posts: 380

    Also, I think CDA should use some of it's tax dollars to make a really nice homeless shelter and compound to help out all the homeless that live in the area. Maybe a really nice soup kitchen, sleeping area with beds and TVs and maybe a recreational area with work out equipment for them to use.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 6:11 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Sorry John but the records indicate otherwise. Facts are the only property taxes in your name are under $3 for the year and not a dime is paid to the City of Cda.

     
  • CaiusCosades posted at 6:11 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    CaiusCosades Posts: 380

    I think this is great, a great plan by truly great city officials. We should be going big, my motto has always been go big or go home. This park will look great, who cares how much it costs, I think they should go all out on it, and leave a legacy for their terms as city officials.

    Who cares if it raises people in coeur d alene's taxes? boo hoo if they don't want to pay a few extra dollars to make downtown great!

    I think CDA should raise taxes so that city officials can do what they are paid to do, which is come up with new things to spend on to make downtown bigger/better and more tourists and more people moving into the area!

    It's about time CDA has a steep raise in it's taxes, I think these city officials are doing a great job!!

     
  • Justin Cottrell posted at 6:06 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    Justin Cottrell Posts: 157

    Yet again the people that hold the reins of power in CDA want to tell the good citizens to ante up more money. They are completely and utterly worthless, contemptible idiots that need voted out ASAP.

    I told everyone this would happen. McRuin has now become McScrew-en park.

     
  • Rationale posted at 5:51 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Mr. Austin,

    Remember when I called you, the mayor, and your cronies a bunch of liars. Remember when I said the cost would be more than you claimed, and that you would add to the cost? Remember when you got offended at my brazen assertion that you guys are nothing but a bunch of liars?

    Well, congratulations on proving me right.

    Liars of a feather flock together!

     
  • John Austin posted at 5:50 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    John Austin Posts: 104

    LTR: Yep, that's the personal property tax I pay on my computer and cell phone, the only business equipment that I have for my consulting business. Dig deeper and you'll find the half million dollar house I live in and the lake place. Keep trying, though. It's impressive.

     
  • will-- posted at 5:43 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    will-- Posts: 1093

    And how long will CityLink remain a free service? Will it even exist in the future?

    http://www.cdapress.com/news/local_news/article_87cf5864-b4c6-5e88-adeb-e63abe03bc4d.html

     
  • efromm posted at 5:39 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    efromm Posts: 689

    So back in the 90's you guys decided what you were going to do with our town? What I see here is a bunch of people who have gotten together to screw the locals out of their town. I want to be the first to exclaim CDA's new name Duwayne alene. Since he and all his cronies have been the ones advertising in Southern Ca with full page newspaper adds. Without all of you coming here none of this would be possible. It's easy to vote for improvements when you do not know your neighbors. Life has gotten better for you here. Not so much for those of us that were just getting by. Now we are worse off then ever. And you will join us when you can't pay for your taxes. .So john was a part of that. We really never had any options. It was vanilla all the way. And somehow you guys know better than all of us who pay the taxes. And will have to continue to for decades to come. Interesting that John no longer lives here..... I wish I didn't....

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 5:28 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Search out my post at 5:17 p.m. because it goes with your 5:02 p.m. post. I sent off a email to the County asking about it.

     
  • Ziggy posted at 5:23 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    Ziggy Posts: 1230

    JC, when did the city purchase the parking lot? I worked for a business downtown for several years in the 1980s and then the downtown merchants owned the city parking lot--not the city. My boss reiterated that many times. So......when did the ownership change hands and the city parking lot become the city's?

     
  • Rationale posted at 5:18 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    Rationale Posts: 1976

    Somehow, "I told you so" just isn't enough!

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 5:17 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Go to Kootenai County Treasurer page and search Austin Consulting and you will see property taxes paid to the tune of $2.88. I am not kidding! Than use that address and search the Assessor's page to see property valuation. No not kidding again! All public information.

    The information tells you something about a man who promotes the city to spend and spend.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 5:02 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    You're all watching EXACTLY how all government works today, form the little locals like Bloehm & Co, to the top, with Blowbama.
    There's NO accountability; not to the taxpayers, not to the citizenry.

    As long as it's not their own PERSONAL MONEY; they'll continue marching on....for those of you that didn't support the recall; SHAME ON YOU. Hope they get that money from your behind most directly.

     
  • apathoid posted at 4:56 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    apathoid Posts: 211

    by the way, I've seen the dog and pony show put on by LCDC about the magical money that just appears out of the infrastructure sky. I'm an educated man...educated enough to know when I'm getting duped! What I can't figure out is whether you're just a liar or whether you believe your own BS. I'm hoping it's the latter, but not 100% convinced.

     
  • apathoid posted at 4:54 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    apathoid Posts: 211

    and Riverstone is still largely empty and facing bankruptcy. GREAT example John!

     
  • stebbijo posted at 4:48 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    stebbijo Posts: 49

    "The facts are that the residents of CDA are getting a great park and they didn't have to pay for it."

    ... and JohnA takes his Dodge Ram back to his place of visions where "Unicorns fart rainbows."

    tee hee. :-)

     
  • John Austin posted at 4:23 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    John Austin Posts: 104

    Actually, apothoid, I drive a Dodge Ram, not a Prius. And I know a good thing when I see it. The facts are that the residents of CDA are getting a great park and they didn't have to pay for it. New growth in a small part of town is paying for it, growth that wouldn't be there without urban renewal. Riverstone would still be an empty, abandoned mill site without the reimbursement of costs for its public infrastructure. That's a fact that no one can deny.

    If you can't understand how the funding works, that's one thing. But, don't disparage those of us who do understand it and made it a function of our jobs way back when to fund these improvements to the park.

     
  • JClark posted at 4:16 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    JClark Posts: 91

    Mayor Bloem stated at the Coeurd'Alene Waterfront Property Owners meeting that the Parking Lot is necessary for the future developments along Front Ave. The Lake City Development Co. (LCDC) was formed to help with blighted lots downtown and re-vamp McEuen. The proposed McEuen face lift was nothing like this current grand scheme. There are still plenty of blighted lots North of Sherman, although the LCDC has already purchased some of these lots for the specific purpose of parking. To be prudent and ecologically sound, the parking should be North of Sherman to minimize the impact of sound, smell,and visual esthetic. This current plan crams traffic and concrete on a beautiful waterfront property which is owned by the public. Winners are flexible. Fix the park and move the parking North.

     
  • raineya posted at 3:55 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    raineya Posts: 3

    Um, did anyone else's property taxes nearly double? DOUBLE. Mine did, and I live in the "park zone." Unfortunately my income did NOT go up. Isn't that how the LCDC works? Property values increase and taxes go up?
    You're welcome.

     
  • yourneighbor posted at 3:38 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    yourneighbor Posts: 224

    Where is a " Like" button when you need it?? LIKE LIKE LIKE apathoid

     
  • yourneighbor posted at 3:37 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    yourneighbor Posts: 224

    Like chilada said " the Mayor is nothing more than a "Bitchin" control of our money.

     
  • apathoid posted at 3:07 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    apathoid Posts: 211

    @John - you overly loud protestations only serve to prove that your awfully defensive about anything LCDC. Most shrinks will tell you that's a sign of a guilty conscience although I doubt you can be honest enough with yourself, let alone anyone else, to admit that.

    Fact is that MOST people in our community don't want taxpayer dollars going to build this Taj Mahal Shrine to her Sandiness and her Court of Jesters. The cost overruns are just proof positive that this has been a shell game all along.

    Please don't tell us anymore that LCDC is good for us. An awful lot of people in our community are smart enough to figure out that just isn't true. "Government Money" is NEVER free...it has to come from somewhere. Moving it around and hiding the truth doesn't change what is inherently true. We are ALL going to pay for Sandy and Mikey's Immortal Shrine to Government Hubris and we're going to pay for it for a long, long time.

    Now, please take your Prius and drive back to that happy liberal land where Unicorns fart rainbows. and everything is free, free, free!

    Better yet, smoke a bowl with Bitchin' Woody and tell each other how great you are so we don't have to listen to it anymore.

     
  • Jullee posted at 3:04 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    Jullee Posts: 563

    As a taxpayer funding this elephant, I think we should have a toll booth so the out of town visitors can pay their fair share. Unless it is true that the money for this over extravagant green space falls off a tree.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 3:01 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Timeless: Chouli is speaking for a huge majority of community citiizens. You know it and that is why your are being so distasteful.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 2:56 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Two years determinate penitentiary time and three years indeterminate time, penitentiary suspended, $545.50 in fines, $100 restitution and two years probation for possession of a controlled substance

     
  • John Austin posted at 2:52 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    John Austin Posts: 104

    Mary, I suggest we wait until the bids come back and see if any additional funding is needed. With the costs of construction and financing at a low point I think the city will be OK with dipping into their other funds. As for Person I think that has to be part of the overall parks plan. As such, I believe the city is working hard on making that purchase happen.

     
  • TomHamilton posted at 2:52 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    TomHamilton Posts: 61

    I think I'd rather see them find the money to purchase Person Field than to put in Pickle Ball Courts...

     
  • Mary Souza posted at 2:26 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    Mary Souza Posts: 808

    Hey John, not all the money for McEuen is coming from LCDC. The Mayor just proposed spending $1.4 million in taxpayer money from the city's future budgets and the Rainy Day Fund to help pay for all the "extras" at McEuen.

    John, don't you think the city should buy the school district's half of Person Field before they spend any more tax dollars on McEuen?

     
  • John Austin posted at 2:08 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    John Austin Posts: 104

    Hey, Jullee, I lived in CDA for many years and I wrote the feasibility study for the URD in 1997 that included funding for McEuen Field. I go there almost daily, as will my grandkids who live downtown. I think I'm entitled to my opinion, the same as you. I have patiently waited for 15 years for the park to be a reality and I excited to see the finished product.

     
  • Spikey posted at 1:57 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    Spikey Posts: 378

    And this new turn of events surprises anybody because.......

    Hey, don't blame Californians for this egregious demonstration of arrogance and hubris. Neither Queen Sandi nor puppets Goodlander, Kennedy and McEvers are from Calif. I believe they are all natives of CDA.

    Why doesn't anybody point out the obvious. This obscenity is not for the use of the locals. By the time the tourists and undesirables from Spokane leave at the end of the season, the snow falls. And if you value your car and safety, give a parking garage a wide berth.

    And the beat goes on.....unbelievable.

     
  • cmmama posted at 1:46 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    cmmama Posts: 11

    They paved paradise and put up a parkin' lot
    With a pink hotel, a boutique, and a swingin' hot spot
    Don't it always seem to go
    That you don't know what you got till it's gone
    They paved paradise and put up a parking lot

    They took all the trees, and put em in a tree museum
    And they charged the people a dollar and a half to see them
    Don't it always seem to go
    That you don't know what you got till it's gone
    They paved paradise, and put up a parking lot

    Funny how a song says it all!

     
  • cmmama posted at 1:38 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    cmmama Posts: 11

    They paved paradise and put up a parkin' lot
    With a pink hotel, a boutique, and a swingin' hot spot
    Don't it always seem to go
    That you don't know what you got till it's gone
    They paved paradise and put up a parking lot

    They took all the trees, and put em in a tree museum
    And they charged the people a dollar and a half to see them
    Don't it always seem to go
    That you don't know what you got till it's gone
    They paved paradise, and put up a parking lot

    Wow how a song is spot on, kinda ridiculous isn't it?

     
  • Jullee posted at 1:25 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    Jullee Posts: 563

    John A seems to have a lot of opinions for a guys who does not live here.

     
  • apathoid posted at 1:15 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    apathoid Posts: 211

    Hey Woody...Person Field is a field of "grass." Listening to your "bitchin'" comments you seem like a guy who really likes "grass". Maybe that should compel you to give up the $4,000,000 Pickle Ball Court Upgrade and do the right thing with Person Field.

    ....just a thought

     
  • John Austin posted at 1:08 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    John Austin Posts: 104

    Mary, as you know Person Field is not in a URD so the funding is not as available as it is for McEuen Field. I believe the city is working on a plan for Person as it is important to them.

    Meanwhile, the neighborhood kids can ride the free CityLink bus to either the Kroc Center or McEuen Field any time they want. They may have to walk a few blocks to a bus stop but it is an option.

     
  • Mary Souza posted at 12:35 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    Mary Souza Posts: 808

    The sad, forgotten group in all this are the folks who live around Person Field. They've been asking the city to buy half of the existing field from the school district. It's a plain, flat, no-frills grassy field. But it's the only park in that low to middle income area and it's been a public open space for generations. Now the school district needs money and is going to sell their half. If the city doesn't buy it for about $600,000 it will go out to bid to developers.

    The kids in that neighborhood can't often get to the Kroc Center after school because many are in single parent working families or homes where both parents work. Their plain Person Field is their only play area.

    But no one in the Mayor's political power group lives near Person or has real estate that they want to develop into big fancy condos there. So the regular people who live near that humble little park do not have much influence with City Hall.

    The Mayor promised that no taxpayer money would go into McEuen, even though we all know that LCDC money comes from taxes, but now she says the city should take $1.2 million in taxpayer money out of the Rainy Day Fund to pay for extras like splash pads and pickle ball courts at McEuen.

    Before one more cent is promised to McEuen, the city should buy the rest of Person Field for the struggling neighborhood that really needs help. That would be "bitchin", Woody.

     
  • stebbijo posted at 11:50 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    stebbijo Posts: 49

    What else could "Mary Souza and the bunch" do? They already tried to throw the bums out. Now, these visionaries have permission to walk all over us and they are not going to walk, they are going trample us before next November. Short of hundreds of people showing up with pitchforks and shovels, I think the people in CDA are toast.

     
  • CaiusCosades posted at 11:38 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    CaiusCosades Posts: 380

    Mary Souza and the bunch are strangely mum on all this, I wonder what their thoughts are?

     
  • efromm posted at 11:26 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    efromm Posts: 689

    Most likely it will have to be looked at. That was what I was referring to in my post. They have zero info on what that can of worms is gonna be until they start removing the dirt. That entire section of land was actually a marsh/ flood zone. They filled it all in to use it. Who knows how much garbage is actually in there?

     
  • Jullee posted at 11:20 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    Jullee Posts: 563

    Well Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all..as the city spends spends-spends..Why not . they can always get more money. (YOURS !)... they will just hold your property hostage.
    New park -of course.why not .
    Loose your home because you can not afford the rising taxes too bad they say.
    Are any of you really surprised that the city LIED to you ??
    Geez what is it going to take to get the tax payers to wake up !

     
  • Bob Hughes posted at 11:09 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    Bob Hughes Posts: 44

    It's worth it.
    I was so glad to see that obnoxious osprey nest on the lighting pole of the softball field replaced by an expanded asphalt parking lot for City Hall.
    And I'll be elated when I no longer have to drive by that horrendous freedom tree.
    It's worth every penny to pave over every square inch of green grass.

     
  • CClavin posted at 11:07 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    CClavin Posts: 221

    Just a general question to anybody who has an answer. I seem to remember from long ago McEuen was used for a City dump. Will that dirt have to be hauled away and replaced like they did at the Kroc Center to pass buildable code?

     
  • DJ posted at 10:54 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    DJ Posts: 156

    So True...makes me want to move back into the city limits just so I can vote

     
  • will-- posted at 10:53 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    will-- Posts: 1093

    Spend, Spend, Spend,Spend,Spend.

    Who do these guys think they are? the Federal Government?

     
  • DJ posted at 10:52 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    DJ Posts: 156

    Agreed !

     
  • DJ posted at 10:51 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    DJ Posts: 156

    EXACTLY MY THOUGHTS

     
  • efromm posted at 10:50 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    efromm Posts: 689

    There will be cost overruns everywhere in this project. I have never seen a construction project ever come in right on budget. When they start digging up the parking lot and digging around they are going to find they will need more money for excavation and probably more fill and concrete than they estimated. This park is a lure. And a total waste of money. They could have put the play land pier back and had the carousel back in it's home. Making the area around the lake look like an old time attraction and charging visitors to use the rides and venders for the space at least the city could be making money on this project. And it could pay for it's self over time with revenue.

    If you want to see what is wrong with America just look at our town. You have politicians who are spending your money with no thought where it comes from. That money just did not appear out of thin air. They got it from somewhere. The somewhere is you. The way the money is just recklessly spent with no care as to who worked for it is appalling. And yet year after year we elect those who will extort the money right out of our pockets.

    This park is a giant waste of money. It will never pay for it's self. They only thing this park will support are the free loading tourists who will come here and use it. The majority of us get zero return on this park being built. What we will get is more traffic. More rude drunk people down town. And for 8 months out of the year it will be empty just sitting there.

    If they re did the pier and did it right it could operate year round and bring in money. And create jobs. We could have a Christmas festival. There are a lot of other things that could be done. Was there really any other options presented and really discussed? I don't know. It seems like the people talk and no one listens anymore. They used to be called public servants. Now the public are the servants to the elected.

    What do they have planned after they destroy Mc Euen field? That is the real question. I bet they got some other project already just waiting for you to pay for, once it's done....

     
  • DJ posted at 10:50 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    DJ Posts: 156

    Take your californian project of McEuen field...all your californian ideas and ideology and get the H*LL out of Idaho! McEuen/Tubbs Hill SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN TOUCHED!!! And the Citizens of CDA will end more then just Woodys council seat. So sick of city council members thinking they have a rubber stamp to approve anything they want..

     
  • Ziggy posted at 10:47 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    Ziggy Posts: 1230

    Hmmmm. I agree totally, Chouli.
    All of this looks like a big grab to get more tourists to visit a park? When there is Manito in Spokane? No way they can make a Manito and Manito if used by the people who lives there.
    Boise does it right--spend the bucks for the people who live there. Don't build Disneyland. Build trails and baseball parks, and soccer fields, and a raptor center and a river walk, a museum in a rose park with trails and a clean downtown for the PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE.
    We were a lot better off with lumber mills and mines than the flaky tourist dollars which come and go with the wind.

     
  • localopinion posted at 10:45 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    localopinion Posts: 44

    I was born and raised in Coeur D Alene ... and now I hate it. Everything I loved about this city has been destroyed and replaced by status quo bullshiz. I used to love going to watch the lighting ceremony, now .. there is no room for locals. I used to love the fireworks ... no room for me anymore. I used to love CDA ... maybe I will move to Spokane or Southern California. It looks like all their idiots have moved to CDA, so it should be pretty nice.

     
  • Close Enough posted at 10:45 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    Close Enough Posts: 134

    "We're not going over budget," Councilman Mike Kennedy said after the 60 percent completion presentation in October. "That's the bottom line."

    If you can't trust Mikey, who can you trust?

     
  • chilada01 posted at 10:41 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    chilada01 Posts: 180

    Now that we can use that word. I think the Mayor is nothing more than a "Bitchin" controll....

     
  • CClavin posted at 10:06 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    CClavin Posts: 221

    One day we are so broke we can't pay attention, then next day we are so rich we are going to build an empire to ourselves, now that is "BITCHIN".

     
  • Timeless posted at 10:02 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    Chouli: You have a terrible habit of thinking that you speak on behalf of " all of us."

     
  • CaiusCosades posted at 9:54 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    CaiusCosades Posts: 380

    Did anyone else notice in the records section for today's date that an Adam Johnson 28 was sentenced to 2 years in prison for drug possession?

    Not saying they're the same guy, but if you remember earlier this year there was an Adam Johnson 28 running for Kootenai County Sheriff!

     
  • chouli posted at 9:53 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1283

    timeless,
    you give the readers the impression that the well-to-do are the ones who matter and all the rest of us who disagree with the "sky's the limit" budget and deceit are just "trailer park" folks (or as previously called by Eastwood and gang as "joe six-packs) who are stupid, poor and don't matter. way to go. you're a real team builder. LOL and a pretentious one at that.

     
  • chouli posted at 9:48 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1283


    timeless,
    you are a troll and you, as well as all of us, know it.

    you only try to offend and incite and offer no real input other than to be obnoxious. give us reasons for why you think this added cost and changes are a good idea...

    if you can't come up with something intelligent to say, then just opt to spare us of your snark.

     
  • AnnoTater posted at 9:42 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    AnnoTater Posts: 178

    Amen to that!

     
  • AnnoTater posted at 9:41 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    AnnoTater Posts: 178

    Is it "business" that is screwing the taxpayer over OR the locally elected representatives... ie "government"? Seems the common denominator here is "democrats". Bait and switch, lie and decieve, they know best regardless of what the electorate thinks, says, demands. Look no further than DC where the Dems have not passed a budget for over 1300 days! (over three years!). Who the heck does
    "business" that way? Certainly not successful businesses. Spend now pay later.

     
  • Timeless posted at 9:39 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    Chouli: You probably attend the trailer park HOA meetings and tell everyone what they say, think, spend and want as well. Your type is laughable.

     
  • Hayden Joe posted at 9:35 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    Hayden Joe Posts: 181

    In the words of the immortal Gomer Pyle, “Soooprise, Soooprise, Soooprise!”

    I say let the little Trust Fund Ladies who bankrolled the Stop The Recall Effort have their Daddykins write out the check for the excess funds requested by the Committee Parasites.

    “Pweeeez Daddee, just one more liddle checkee-wheckee. I won’t whine for any jewulwee for like a month, I pwomise…”

    As one commenter already so eloquently stated, Thanks Coeur d’Alene taxpayers for footing the bill for the rest of us to enjoy that Mega-Expensive Boondoggle By The Lake! Keep voting for those people and maybe we’ll have you pay for some other humongously over-blown project for the rest of us. You Coeur d’Alene tax payers are Bitchin'!

     
  • Hayden Joe posted at 9:33 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    Hayden Joe Posts: 181

    In the words of the immortal Gomer Pyle, “Soooprise, Soooprise, Soooprise!”

    I say let the little Trust Fund Ladies who bankrolled the Stop The Recall Effort have their Daddykins write out the check for the excess funds requested by the Committee Parasites.

    “Pweeeez Daddee, just one more liddle checkee-wheckee. I won’t whine for any jewulwee for like a month, I pwomise…”

    As one commenter already so eloquently stated, Thanks Coeur d’Alene taxpayers for footing the bill for the rest of us to enjoy that Mega-Expensive Boondoggle By The Lake! Keep voting for those people and maybe we’ll have you pay for some other humongously over-blown project for the rest of us. You Coeur d’Alene tax payers are Bitchin'!

     
  • 1voice posted at 9:01 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    1voice Posts: 56

    "Like"

     
  • mister d posted at 8:59 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    mister d Posts: 1531

    I like that McScrew-em Park name. it will probably stick with most residents. Many of us told you this would happen but no, some people just followed the mayor and council blindly. The mayor's legacy will be one of distrust for years to come.

     
  • Timeless posted at 8:58 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    1voice: I am glad that you did not support the recall. I am a 59 year resident of CDA and also just a regular person.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 8:43 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    " Do they really have to wonder why the citizens have such distrust and contempt for our mayor, city administrators involved in this mess and the city council?? NOTHING can be taken at face value because there is ALWAYS something going on behind the scenes to manipulate and change what is being given in public."

    chouli: We will have a chance to remove those who manipulate in 2013.

     
  • Veeeee posted at 8:36 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    Veeeee Posts: 420

    My family lives in Hayden, and we very much look forward to enjoying the new and improved, expensive mega-park..............at your expense. Thank you!

     
  • 1voice posted at 8:34 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    1voice Posts: 56

    Timeless, I personally DID NOT support the recall, just so you know. I am not an extremist, just a regular person with 50 years of residency in CdA, so you shouldn't ASSUME.

     
  • chouli posted at 8:34 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1283

    quit being a troll and go frequent another site or another story. it's very obvious you just want to incite people and snark at them and be a "troll" so add some useful comments or move on. most are ignoring you and I should do the same.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 8:33 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    " NOTHING can be taken at face value because there is ALWAYS something going on behind the scenes to manipulate and change what is being given in public"

    Chouli: You are so correct. Manipulation at its best!

    Vote for a new Mayor and the replacement of Kennedy, McEver and Goodlander in 2013.

     
  • apathoid posted at 8:32 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    apathoid Posts: 211

    Is it just me, or does Woody seem baked at every City Council Meeting. Whatever their smokin' is certainly not helping their judgement.

     
  • Timeless posted at 8:30 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    LTRLTR: Yup.

     
  • apathoid posted at 8:29 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    apathoid Posts: 211

    90% completions and $4,000,000 tax payer dollars over budget?!?

    "I'm Shocked!" - said No One Ever!

    Let me get this straight...the city can't find $600K to keep Person Field a green space (darn that evil School Board!) but we're going to find $4,000,000 for Pickle Ball Courts by God including running a LID that NOBODY gets to vote on.

    I wonder if any of those who didn't vote for the recall are regretting it yet?

    What a bunch of Buffoons...yes, City Council members...you are all Buffoons with a capital B!

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 8:23 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    The city will discuss in great detail how much information to release to the community without causing alarm.

     
  • chouli posted at 8:21 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1283

    timeless, it seems you have nothing of substance to say except to snark...why bother?

     
  • chouli posted at 8:20 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1283

    With the looming fiscal cliff to worry us on the national level we now have the McEuen mess right back in our faces…this is an insult to every citizen/taxpayer in this city. Do they really have to wonder why the citizens have such distrust and contempt for our mayor, city administrators involved in this mess and the city council?? NOTHING can be taken at face value because there is ALWAYS something going on behind the scenes to manipulate and change what is being given in public. Disgraceful.

    Newsflash for Eastwood…this is our COMMUNITY park, NOT a destination resort theme park. A simple facelift and restore the public restrooms is more than enough, thank you. $14 plus million was already a high price tag, and apparently that still isn’t enough to satisfy the greedy bunch.

    If you want to find more money then axe your expensive underground parking garage and use those funds to supplement your desire to add to the park. Less overall parking sounds like a wonderful idea to me.

    Team McEuen needs to shut up and proceed with the currently approved plan. The architect, remember, is also the owner of the tower just across the street...seems to be a conflict of interest there.

    Perhaps we can hope for some integrity in the city council vote next Wednesday…or will it be more of the same nonsense?

     
  • Timeless posted at 8:16 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    1voice: Oh, and just a reminder, your recall attempt failed.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 8:15 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Hopefully the citizens will end Woody's council career in 2013.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 8:13 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Timeless: Will you continue to attack after retirement?

     
  • 1voice posted at 7:57 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    1voice Posts: 56

    Oh, and just a reminder - WE DIDN'T WANT YOUR PLAN IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!

     
  • ancientemplar posted at 7:55 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    ancientemplar Posts: 1268

    Here we go, "PHASE II". Pretty soon the price will be $42,500,000 as originally penciled.

     
  • 1voice posted at 7:55 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    1voice Posts: 56

    I saw RED the minute I saw the headlines this morning, immediately!
    "Five million bucks to make it bitchin' . . . bite the bullet and go big." How DARE you even talk like that, Wood McEvers? And Doug Eastwood seems to think we want what used to be an active but serene environment down there to be some kind of three-ring circus! I am surprised some council members have not been physically confronted. Their "reality" is delusional.

     
  • rio lobo posted at 7:53 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    rio lobo Posts: 155

    Even though anyone and everyone is welcome to use it, the dog park portion of McEuen had to be privately funded by donations from people who really want that feature available. How 'bout the people who really want the splash pad or pavilion (Doug, Woody) open up their check books or start planning a few bake sales?

     
  • Timeless posted at 7:51 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    And here comes LTRLTR, right on schedule, gripe, gripe, gripe.

     
  • wheels1 posted at 7:42 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    wheels1 Posts: 461

    l'm all for this project but now may be the time to step back and truly assess the needs,wants and must haves.To much duplication on courts imo and getting away from the promenade and floral feel it should have.Definitely need nice rest room facilities but think the info center(unless it's display type) should be in the Chamber office.And I apologize in advance for... just my opinion.I don't think it's the right place for a dog park and I love dogs.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 7:41 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    And there you have it folks!

    The City will rob other budgets that will hurt the overall effectiveness of city services.

    I also agree with LMCDA that Woody needs to clean up his month because his choice of words are very unprofessional.

    Timeless: Grow up

     
  • NoName posted at 7:41 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    NoName Posts: 253

    ...if you didn't see this coming from far, far off......... classic bait n switch.

     
  • Timeless posted at 7:08 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    LMCDA: stop being a jerk.

     
  • voxpop posted at 7:05 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    voxpop Posts: 738

    As frequently is the case, Homer Simpson says it best - "DOH." Did ANYONE expect anything different? If you let Business get their greasy little fingers into the taxpayer's pocket they'll always keep digging for more. And if you let Business manipulate the local news you'll be told all that rooting around in your pocket is good for you.

     
  • DeNiles posted at 6:10 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    Change the name to fit the scheme: McScrew-em Park.

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 5:41 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    LMYCDA Posts: 2288

    And, please Woody, stop with the 60's description "bitchin".

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 5:40 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    LMYCDA Posts: 2288

    You are kidding, right? Of course they aren't. Everyone knew they would GO OVER BUDGET. Remember the Mayor's words....NO NEW TAXES will be placed on the citizens for this project. Sorry Mayor Bloem, can not believe anything you, McEvers, Goodlander or Kennedy ever say. We don't need another AMPHITHEATER OR what Eastwood is calling a "pavillion that seats over 600 people.....There is one at Riverstone. One is enough. All those that trusted these people need to do some real soul searching.

     
  • Abbas325 posted at 12:21 am on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.

    Abbas325 Posts: 3

    I like this post.. McEuern plan...

     
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