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Posted: Friday, June 22, 2012 3:23 pm

The Recall CdA movement will go down in the history of our town as an incredible effort by a highly motivated group of citizens. I am honored to have been part of it. We had more than 100 volunteers from all walks of life, all age groups and, most interestingly, from all political persuasions. Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians and Independents, working shoulder to shoulder in the effort to get an honestly responsive government in our city. And the people who signed? Courageous and determined. McEuen was a big reason but certainly not the only one. Arrogance, taxes, intimidation...the list went on and on; everyone had their own reasons for signing the petitions.

Will the officials listed on the Recall learn anything from the results? Let’s see what they said to The Press right after the final numbers were reported:

Deanna Goodlander said, “I didn't feel like they would get the (signatures), and they didn't.” This attitude is from a woman who won her last election by less than 30 votes. Deanna, about 3,100 people voted for you in ‘09, but more than 4,000 valid, certified voters signed the Recall petition against you. That’s 900 more than voted you into office. Perhaps an attitude adjustment is in order?

Mike Kennedy told the Press, "Frankly, we can improve city communication, and we need to." You are right, Mike, but the part of the communication cycle you need to improve is to LISTEN to the people. Will you listen to the results of the Recall? You won your last election by only three votes. 912 more people were valid, certified signers of the Recall petition against you than voted for you last time. Will you listen?

Woody McEvers was not quoted in the Press. Probably smart. Woody had almost 800 more valid, certified voters sign the Recall petition against him than elected him in ’09. You often appear to listen, Woody, but then you go along with the power players every time. Will this outcry by the public help you stand strong to represent the people?

And Mayor Bloem seemed to “get it” with her first quote in The Press, where she said, “One has to look at what has happened and say, 'What have we learned from this? What is positive out of this?” But then she was quoted further as saying, “... I get to finish my four years and finish the job I was elected to do."

It sounds like more of the same to me, Mayor Bloem. It sounds like you are going to stay the course and not change a thing, even though more people signed your Recall petition than any other. You were elected in 2009 by a large majority but even MORE valid voters signed the Recall petition against you now.

So when any of you four officials start to recite your favorite excuse, “We were elected to make the tough choices,” just stop. Please remember that more valid voters signed the Recall petitions against each and every one of you than voted you into office during the last election. That is a fact. Will you listen to the voice of the people? Will you move toward honest compromise, not just temporarily changing plans because you’ve run out of our money?

Jennifer Riggs Drake, of the Anti-recall group, said in The Press that, “It's an affirmation of the fact that the majority of people do support these four people and what they're doing...” No Jennifer, the fact is that a majority of the active voters do NOT support what these officials have been doing. There are about 20,000 registered voters in CdA, many of whom are not active. In the last city election about 6,200 people came out to vote, one way or the other. So the total valid, certified Recall signers, at an average of 4,084 for each official, are a clear majority of the active voters in CdA.

The most unexpected lesson learned is this: Secretary of State Ben Ysursa thinks he has the right to change the rules and interpret the laws. The Recall rules were changed at several key moments during this process, never in our favor. Let me just leave you with the surprising final ruling from the Secretary of State and our County Prosecutor: If a person’s city address on the Recall petition does not exactly match the city address on their Voter Registration card, the signature is rejected. So if they moved within the city and didn’t re-register, their signature on the petition was thrown out. But that same person is still legal to vote! Yep. I’m not kidding. They said the standard to sign a Recall petition is higher than the standard to vote. Does that make any sense to you?

In the 2009 CdA Election Challenge trial, one of the questionable voters was a woman who went into a polling place, signed the poll book next to a pre-printed address, got her ballot and voted. After she voted, she told the poll workers she had moved to a different city address in a different precinct, two years before. Judge Hosack said her vote still counted; that she was still a legal voter. He said "... I think the rule of law in Idaho case law is pretty clear that courts should honor the right of a qualified voter to vote. And mere technicalities are not sufficient to disenfranchise a voter and deprive them of their constitutional right to vote."

She could vote but, according to the Secretary of State, she couldn’t sign a Recall petition to get a vote. Are our state legislators listening? The Recall laws are a mess and they are slanted heavily to favor the incumbents. Please fix them.

Many, many lessons learned. But take heed, Mayor + 3, if the Secretary of State had not come to your rescue and changed the rules time and again, your names would be on the ballot. Please adjust your attitudes and actions accordingly. The majority of active voters have spoken.

Mary Souza is a 25-year resident of CdA, local small business owner and former P&Z Commissioner.

  • Discuss

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53 comments:

  • IAMWOMAN posted at 4:42 pm on Mon, Jun 25, 2012.

    IAMWOMAN Posts: 56

    Those that hate what Mary Souza says are convinced she is wrong, so wrong, and negative, so negative, and anti-CDA, so anti-CDA.

    Those that like what Mary Sounza says are convinced she is right, so right, critical, so critical, and pro-CDA, so pro-CDA.

    If Mary didn't care about CDA she wouldn't advocate on behalf of change for our city politics.

    Keep up the good work Mary, whatever your day job is. :-)

    I thought your article was well-written, especially how you communicated directly with each city council person.

    I would be happy to vote for you.

     
  • uncle fester posted at 2:48 pm on Mon, Jun 25, 2012.

    uncle fester Posts: 831

    @Golden Rule, again with the taxes and picking on Mary? Your crew , supposed winners, are the ones wanting this new construction, how will that be paid for? Sometimes I think you just say stupid stuff to get a reaction, well you did.

     
  • Mark on the Park posted at 10:05 am on Mon, Jun 25, 2012.

    Mark on the Park Posts: 471

    Ms. Souza, thank you for your tireless effort in communicating to the uninformed public what is really happening in local government.

    I'm sure you have the class to rise above the childish and uncultured invective of trolls like Timeless, Nativeidahoan, justbecause, Arsaken, Adam, and Thaddeus.

    That you have the courage to use your real name in espousing sometimes unpopular positions tells me that you travel the high road.

     
  • catatak posted at 9:10 pm on Sun, Jun 24, 2012.

    catatak Posts: 23

    Well written letter Ms Sousa. Thank you.
    I find it quite 'baffling' that the decline to sign supporters are feeling so victorious. It would be interesting to know how many voters signatures were rejected due to dueling addresses. I worked at a polling station and was amazed at how many folks coming in had to update their addy's, as they had been told that all that would be done automatically for them by the DMV.....And a lot of them were a t the wrong polling station due to redistricting. They also were told that they would be notified of their new polling station location, if it changed.
    I also know of quite a few folks that did not want to call attention to themselves by signing the petition, a lot of them thought there would be no problem getting the required signatures......and they and their vote could remain anonymous. There is foundation for the anonymous, secret vote....and this Recall proved it.

    some of ya'll are quite nasty on this page. Bad form.

    Now, how do we get a moratorium? Or an injunction?

     
  • bionic man posted at 5:19 pm on Sun, Jun 24, 2012.

    bionic man Posts: 347

    I love the people that attack Mary ( DFO'ers, outsiders.) The simple fact, our 4 elected officials have done everything against the will of the people. Even though the recall failed? It shows that more people signed the petition than what the select 4 were voted in on the last election. Mary is only a resource that has activated the issue that has been riding on the people for years. Why the instigators don't have the b*lls to address the real problems ( fantastic 4 ) is beyond me. Address the problems. Scapegoats are rampant on this blog. At least the recall signers have the b*lls to stand up and ask for change.

     
  • Always Curious posted at 2:11 pm on Sun, Jun 24, 2012.

    Always Curious Posts: 489

    Feel better now GR?

     
  • Golden Rule posted at 1:40 pm on Sun, Jun 24, 2012.

    Golden Rule Posts: 26

    After reading the first paragraph I knew this "My Turn" was a joke: "Arrogance, taxes, intimidation..." Two out of three describes you to a "T" Ms Souza. I'm sure you know the saying that goes something like, "people that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." Look in the mirror, Mary, and tell me you don't see a person that is arrogant and loves to intimidate. Oh, and add whine to that list too.

     
  • petand posted at 11:39 am on Sun, Jun 24, 2012.

    petand Posts: 171

    Learnd? Really? Don't you mean Learnt?

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 7:44 am on Sun, Jun 24, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    jmowreader......................Would you deny a person's right to sign the petition, if they didn't vote or live in Cd'A in 2009, but presently lives in Cd'a, and are a registered voter, pays taxes, etc,? Do. you believe they should not have the right to have an opinion if they moved to Cd'A since 2009? Really?

    I wonder how many people voted in 2009, but no longer reside in Cd'A, and would have been glad to sign the petition if legal?

    You must analyze from one angle jmowreader? Unable to see the hypocrisy in your feeble attempt at analysis.

     
  • jmowreader posted at 1:16 am on Sun, Jun 24, 2012.

    jmowreader Posts: 1254

    I'd like to see a number no one could possibly have: number of petition signers who didn't live in Cd'A in 2009.

     
  • the floorist posted at 11:18 pm on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.

    the floorist Posts: 331

    Mr. Berns...

    ...'splain to everybody why you keep hand written ledgers IN PENCIL...

     
  • local res posted at 10:18 pm on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.

    local res Posts: 1164

    Congrats to the Mayor and the three council members. Your real legacy is a divided city.

     
  • yarply posted at 7:14 pm on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.

    yarply Posts: 488

    Deanna Goodlander said, “I didn't feel like they would get the (signatures), and they didn't.”

    I guess they made sure of that.

     
  • justinian posted at 7:11 pm on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.

    justinian Posts: 318

    "I don't mean to be rude... "

    And yet Adam, you are. Just like your partner. Rude, duplicitous and nasty. And without talent. Lucky for you your folks have money, right?

    Just sayin'

    Just

     
  • inclined posted at 3:53 pm on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.

    inclined Posts: 682

    If Lilliputian is not enough, Machiavellian also applies to many.

    am not sure much has been learned at all Mary. Jill’s letter will be lost to most, but, if anything could be learned, it is the import of this article quoted. The Czech Republic is a world with the likes of Vaclav Klaus, their leader, and no Machiavelli. The world has recently lost this great leader. Jill’s sentiment is perfectly the point. It is for someone to understand, as the article mentions, that we do have the government we deserve. With all the figures, with all the inferences and deductions, there is to recognize in this small empire we do have the sampling of a Machiavellian(perhaps depraved is too strong), unreformable lot. But more, we must realize the “vast confederacy” of unimpassioned, complacent and self absorbed citizens that make real the low voter turnout, when paramount to being free, having liberty, holding high the sanctity of the privilege, is treated like something below them, something for which they don’t have time. And unlike the article, it must be faced—we might not see the republic sustained. And, it is certainly true, we are less likely to survive a multitude of ill taught, unprincipled, self indulgent minds that do not see themselves in history, and it’s pain and loss.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 2:36 pm on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    I see thommyboy, who doesn't even live here, is at his bashing again.

     
  • CaiusCosades posted at 2:10 pm on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.

    CaiusCosades Posts: 380

    CDA Press is on par with a high school newspaper. IT'S "LEARNED".

     
  • chouli posted at 12:48 pm on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1270

    It's time to put a few of these folks on IGNORE.
    They are unable or unwilling - or both - to act like adults and participate in a conversation and exchange of ideas.

     
  • arius1 posted at 12:48 pm on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.

    arius1 Posts: 754

    Adam, obviously our community is not fine. Did you not see the huge rift over the recallers and the anti recallers. The signs all over town for and against the mayor +3/McCuen. This was a divisive issue. I have good friends who feel strongly about this from both sides. You have no problem with our community because the status quo remains (for the time being). This too shall pass. No matter what the mayor + 3 do from now until next election, they will not be reelected.(except maybe putting McCuen to an advisory vote) and even that will not ensure their seat.

    So when they are voted out of office and our tax payer dollars have been spent, I believe that would be proof of taxation without representation
    Great letter Mary!

     
  • Adam posted at 11:53 am on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.

    Adam Posts: 13

    @LMYCDA

    I don't read it... That is the point.

    @LTRLTR

    Healing of our community? Our community is fine. I have no problem with our community. It's people like you and Mary Souza who are under the impression that it is broken and needs fixing.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 9:51 am on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Thaddeus: Does your comment towards me help or hinder the healing of our community?

     
  • Thaddeus posted at 9:32 am on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.

    Thaddeus Posts: 232

    " I believe in Mary because her concerns are my concerns, her truth matches my truth." LTRLTR


    Oh great..... Another menopausal nut who's life is so miserable it can't keep it to itself.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 9:32 am on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Adam,
    Your comments serve the Spokesman Review DFO blog of bullying that is being promoted. Will your effort help or hurt our community?

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 9:19 am on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Meesterbox:
    The election laws new a lot of much needed work. I almost stopped voting absentee because the same Mr. Ysursa said it was okay to open ballots prior to the election day in 2009. Mr. Ysuras violated the laws as written because the law clearly states that absentee ballots will not be opened until after the polls are opened. What the heck is the matter with the people who write the laws and then disobey them? I also did some research regarding the number of days allowed for collecting petition signatures and found different sections regarding the 75 days to be very confusing and understood why those laws were questioned. Why can't the lawmakers write the laws to be clear and without loopholes?

    I am very thankful for people like Mary who watch over government functions and bring questionable practices to the surface. I watched John Edwards on 20/20 last night and remember thinking that he seemed to be a honest candidate running for president all the while lying to the public through his teeth about cheating on his wife. We all have to take a stand to find the truth or allow others to do the work for us. John Edwards truth was very different from what most of us believe. Just think what a mess America could have faced if John Edwards was elected to be President when he couldn't keep his own house intact?

    Mary has more integrity than most as she brings comments to all of us. I believe in Mary because her concerns are my concerns, her truth matches my truth.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 9:19 am on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

     
  • chouli posted at 9:08 am on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1270

    yes, many people will vote in the next election
    a new administration will be crowned...or de-crowned
    I asked my lucky 8 ball

    @arsaken re "I talked to Jennifer Drake today (no Riggs, by the way, she has a different middle name). She said that if you wanted to attempt to challenge her in a war of words and facts in person, she'd be game. She enjoys a challenge, but knows she wouldn't find one in you. It's too easy."

    just what does THAT mean? how juvenile and silly can you get?? Jennifer Rigggs Drake wants a "war of words" with Mary. LOL what are you on?? "war of words" LOL. for what purpose? I'm sure Mary has no interest in something so silly as you suggest. should we get Alec Trebec to officiate? or is it more of WWF kinda thing? Mary has more local knowledge & politcal savy than young little JRD so I don't see the connection with your suggestion. It's actually ridiculous and in line with the rest of the crazy comments on here today. sheesh.

     
  • chouli posted at 8:58 am on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1270

    yes, adam, you do mean to be rude.
    and you are.
    if you have a meaningful discussion to share, then do do
    if you only have snarky attacking comments, then go elsewhere

     
  • meesterbox posted at 8:06 am on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.

    meesterbox Posts: 183

    Mary - If you actually believe the 4,000 signatures RecallCdA collected represent the 'active voters' in our city, you are quite delusional. You and your volunteers were on street corners/parking lots and going door to door trying to get the signatures and with 68 days you still couldn't get enough for a recall. Now you think all of these people are going to make it to the polls in Nov 2013 on one day. If the polls were open for 68 days and people could vote in parking lots and their recliners, then maybe you could consider them 'active voters'

    Instead of trying to point blame at someone else like Mr. Ysursa, you need to accept you failure and move on.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 7:23 am on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    Sounds to me like ole Ben needs tarred, feathered and run out on a rail along with the FAB4.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 7:19 am on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    Excellent letter Mary.

     
  • Jill Heine posted at 6:40 am on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.

    Jill Heine Posts: 408

    Some people have the vocabulary to sum up things in a way that you can quickly understand them. This quote came from the Czech Republic . Someone over there has it figured out. It was translated into English from an article in the Prague newspaper Prager Zeitungon on 04.28.2010.

    "The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president."

    Same holds true in local elections. Entrenched power bedazzles the bejesus out of most. Those who built with their blood, sweat, and tears are now outvoted by imported pond scum that are narrow visioned and care only for themselves. As your jobs disappear and you learn a new trade serving your masters, perhaps the day will dawn when you realize you have been bedazzled!

     
  • DeNiles posted at 6:00 am on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    The conceit of the anti-recall crowd is laughable. I encourage you all to celebrate as loud and wildly as possible.

    Consider the facts. Every possible obstacle got tossed at the recall effort. All of the local media worked diligently against it. The incumbents directed agencies and redefined policy to impede the recall. And the recall itself was essentially undertaken by recall amateurs, their 1st recall effort. And despite all of these hurdles the petitions nearly worked.

    So the hubris and celebrations of the antirecall crowd ought to be kept in perspective. You pulled out all of the stops and prevailed by a bare whisper. Please do taunt the real grassroots majority in this community. Pound your chest in righteous victory. Kneel down, lower your head and kiss the ring of your despotic Mayor. How long will it be before you'll be laughing out of a different orifice?

    The recall group should consider this 1st effort a trial run. It was a test, your learning curve, a ruse to see how your opponents would operate. Use the experience to solidify your foundation, to refine your processes and networks. Now you know. Now you see.

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 4:39 am on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.

    LMYCDA Posts: 1987

    @Adam... you must be a young little man to call someone over-the-hill. You, hopefully will grow old and will understand comments like that are just childish and rude. If her blog is so silly...why do you read it?

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 4:37 am on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.

    LMYCDA Posts: 1987

    @Timeless...you really need an attitude adjustment or is it only those of your liking that are afforded FREE SPEECH. You are a mean spirited person.

    Great letter Mary. As has been said we all hope that the Mayor and her 3 cohorts will learn to listen and not be influenced by special interests. I have my doubts though.

    Now the county is getting ready to spend millions on 2 parking garages, new administrative justice buidling and who knows probably a couple of dozen fountains...this city/county/state are out of control with spending money that is not there.

     
  • Adam posted at 1:02 am on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.

    Adam Posts: 13

    I don't mean to be rude... But what does Mary Souza do all day? Shouldn't she have a job or something? I feel like something, anything would be more constructive then what she does now. As far as I can tell, her entire life is based on writing opinion pieces, stirring the pot, and generally annoying everyone. The Press needs to quit buying into her cooky agenda and should stop publishing all her nonsense. She can post things like this on her silly blog. I would prefer actual news stories in the NEWS paper, not the deluded rantings of an over-the-hill ex city official.

     
  • frmcali posted at 12:46 am on Sat, Jun 23, 2012.

    frmcali Posts: 10

    Mary, you are jumping to conclusions when state that the majority of voters support recalling said officials. 4000 people do not represent the majority of eligible or registered voters. Where were these voters when these officials were elected? Surely not all of them were participating in the electoral process. Where were these folks during the scores of public meetings of discussion regarding the McEuen design proposals? Where were they during the the city council meetings, which number close to 50, during the time period when McEuen changes were being planned? They weren't making their voices heard during the process, nor were they keeping themselves informed about what was being proposed. Then, when the changes are not to their liking, they cry foul. It is time to move on. The recall proponents failed. It's over. Get over it,

     
  • Arsaken posted at 10:06 pm on Fri, Jun 22, 2012.

    Arsaken Posts: 49

    "Many, many lessons learned." But clearly, still not the right ones. Mary, the horse is dead. Stop beating it. The recall failed, rightly. Whether actively or passively, the vast majority of people in this community DID NOT support the recall. You are incredibly selfish and close-minded to think that you still represent enough of a population in this town to continue spouting your short-sighted rhetoric.

    I talked to Jennifer Drake today (no Riggs, by the way, she has a different middle name). She said that if you wanted to attempt to challenge her in a war of words and facts in person, she'd be game. She enjoys a challenge, but knows she wouldn't find one in you. It's too easy.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 9:48 pm on Fri, Jun 22, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Timeless: You lied. You said you were gone for the summer.

    Your personal attacks are mean spirited. We all know you support the Mayor, 3-Council Members, the Anti-Recall group and the Spokesman Review DFO blog.

    So let me ask you if think your behavior is benefiting the Mayor and 3-Council Members or hurting them with their future efforts?

     
  • Timeless posted at 8:34 pm on Fri, Jun 22, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 479

    Chouli:
    Mary Souza deserves no respect.

    Are you listening now?

     
  • chouli posted at 8:21 pm on Fri, Jun 22, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1270

    @ timeless re "Mary, no one cares what you think! We have all heard enough from you! There is a lot more I would like to say but it would just come out as " bleep bleep bleep bleep bleep.".

    You are rude and disrespectful and we would all like you to please leave. No one would get away with that crop over on the other site...and you know exactly what I mean. You'd be in the cooler. What happened to moving on gracefully and respectfully ??

    As a matter of fact, many care what Mary has to say. And even if you don't ctare, you can at least show a little respect even if you disagree with her and others. There's no need to be nasty.

     
  • searcher posted at 7:18 pm on Fri, Jun 22, 2012.

    searcher Posts: 365

    So what percentage of eligible Coeur d'Alene voters is 4000 anyway? What percentage of registered voters? What percentage of "likely" voters? I have a hard time believing that 4000 is a "majority".

     
  • rebmem posted at 6:48 pm on Fri, Jun 22, 2012.

    rebmem Posts: 98

    hey wolfey, enough voted!! have you already forgotten the results of the nov 2011 election? it will be a repeat in 2013!!

     
  • bionic man posted at 6:10 pm on Fri, Jun 22, 2012.

    bionic man Posts: 347

    I love the opposition factors "chimming in." What they won't admit win or loose on the recall, the CDA community and others have been given a wake up call. Reference Japan ( amazing 4 ) attacking the US
    ( CDA citizens)......the Japaneese commanders comment....." We have awoken a sleeping giant." Guess what, the "BOMB" will be dropping soon on the amazing 4 and their constituients.

    Thanks Mary and all those who participated in the recall...Boston Tea Party in CDA.

     
  • 986crazy posted at 5:24 pm on Fri, Jun 22, 2012.

    986crazy Posts: 410

    "The Recall laws are a mess and they are slanted heavily to favor the incumbents. Please fix them."
    It seems like you found your next crusade, Mary.

     
  • LONEWOLFMP posted at 5:12 pm on Fri, Jun 22, 2012.

    LONEWOLFMP Posts: 46

    Yeah....sure....more people signed a petition than those that voted for someone.....

    Of those 4000+ people that signed....how many actually voted last election? It's easy to get signatures of people when they are at home and on the run....but when it actually matters will they be at the voting booth?

    Like I said before....next election will be very interesting if those 4000 people actually go out and vote...

     
  • mister d posted at 5:08 pm on Fri, Jun 22, 2012.

    mister d Posts: 1531

    Good letter Ms. Sousa and valid points. Lets see if the mayor can rebuild the town that she tore apart with her dismissal of the wishes of the majority of voters. Our next mayor and council will hopefully be more responsive to the voters.

     
  • cd1013 posted at 5:04 pm on Fri, Jun 22, 2012.

    cd1013 Posts: 160

    I'm going to Ironman!!!
    I think that Mary makes a valid point. Although I accept the outcome of the decision based on the current rules I personally feel there's a double standard. If you live in the city and you vote your signature should be as good as a vote that's cast. Doesn't make sense that you should be able to go into a polling place but your signature on a petition is null and void. But for some reason I have a feeling that this hasn't play out to the final conclusion. Tune in next week to this same Bat Channel at this same Bat Time!!

     
  • Timeless posted at 4:50 pm on Fri, Jun 22, 2012.

    Timeless Posts: 479

    The fact that the standard to sign a recall petition is higher than that to vote makes perfect sense to me. It really doesn't warrant further explanation.

    Mary, no one cares what you think! We have all heard enough from you! There is a lot more I would like to say but it would just come out as " bleep bleep bleep bleep bleep.".

    Ok, now I'm done and off to enjoy my summer....

     
  • justbecause posted at 4:33 pm on Fri, Jun 22, 2012.

    justbecause Posts: 56

    Yawn....

    Loser always have a hard time moving on. Hey, who's going to Ironman?

     
  • NaTiveIdahoan posted at 4:33 pm on Fri, Jun 22, 2012.

    NaTiveIdahoan Posts: 20

    Things you Learnd? Wow.
    It looks like you lost fair and square Mary. You need to go away now. You accomplished nothing.

     
  • Flash Gordon posted at 4:27 pm on Fri, Jun 22, 2012.

    Flash Gordon Posts: 1297

    Whoa, Mary, get over yourself:)

     
  • the floorist posted at 4:25 pm on Fri, Jun 22, 2012.

    the floorist Posts: 331

    I would like to think the level of awareness involving Cd'A politics has escalated, at the very least.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 4:12 pm on Fri, Jun 22, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Mary,
    My thoughts run closely to yours. Time will tell if the Mayor and 3-Council Members will strive to mend the divsion they caused by denying an advisory vote(non-binding) regarding McEuen Field changes.

     
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