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Elections good for gun sales

Some retailers reporting higher sales similar to those during 2008

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Posted: Saturday, July 28, 2012 12:00 am

Some Kootenai County gun retailers and law enforcement are reporting a rise in gun ownership, though they say the trend started months before last week's shooting in Colorado.

"It's an election year," explained Eric Johnson, trainer with Downtown Guns and Ammo.

As rumors of policy change are thick in the air again with the approaching presidential election, fear of fiercer gun control is also resurfacing.

"It was crazy the last time," Johnson recalled of folks harvesting firearms during Barack Obama's 2008 campaign. "Anytime a Democrat gets elected, people start to panic a bit. This year, there's even more on the re-election. The majority of people start to panic, then."

Although retailers' shelves haven't been emptied like they were four years ago, gun sales at Johnson's downtown Coeur d'Alene store have risen about 30 percent this year, he estimated.

No particular style or brand seems more popular than others, he added.

"They're buying just about everything," he said. "Election years, they're always just a little concerned."

Joe Ellithorpe, owner of Northwest Pony Express, said his store has experienced a jump in antique and modern gun sales this year, though he couldn't estimate how much.

"It's a certain amount, but we don't match what's going on at a national scale," he said.

Ellithorpe believes the gun sales are driven by Obama's "attitude toward constitutional guarantees," he said, which some are still convinced could lead to more restriction on the Second Amendment.

"I would certainly be concerned," Ellithorpe said. "It would start with more gun control."

A White House spokesman, as well as the Senate majority leader, announced on Thursday that new gun legislation would not be on the political agenda this year, according to the Associated Press.

Ellithorpe emphasized that guns are near and dear to North Idaho residents for many obvious reasons, he said, like hunting and personal protection.

"This particular community has active concealed carry," he said.

The Kootenai County Sheriff's Department can verify that. The department issued 1,173 permits for concealed carry permits for all of last year, said Lt. Andy Boyle.

By mid July this year, the number was already up to 1,252.

"Maybe it's the election coming into it," he said, adding that the spike could also be related to a change in permit law this year.

The trend in rising gun interest isn't seen everywhere. Brian Knoll with Black Sheep Sporting Goods said firearm sales have been normal this year.

"We haven't noticed that as a trend," he said of increased firearm sales.

Chuck Houck, a vocal gun owner and advocate in Black Sheep on Thursday, said he "doesn't believe" in stockpiling guns and ammo and has no intention of doing so now.

Sure, shooting is an inherent part of his life, the Coeur d'Alene man said, adding that he would shoot flies if he was able.

"It's the challenge of doing it," Houck said, noting that he currently prefers shooting prairie dogs because of the difficulty in nailing a tiny target. "You've got to learn how to breathe out. You've got to learn to count your heartbeat, shooting something only that big at 300 feet."

But he doesn't feel compelled to prepare for the eradication of firearms, the 70-year-old said.

After all, he said, look at what happened four years ago, following the nationwide fear that Obama would strip Americans' gun rights.

"Nothing changed," Houck said. "Not a thing."

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  • JoeIdaho posted at 12:33 pm on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    I was there, efromm, where were you? Looked for a blue shirt, stayed there until 11:30, yelled out "Efrommm....hey efrom!

    THIS is why "calling people out physically" is pointless.

    AMERICA has offered more Freedom that ANY country in History, efromm. Not ONE other country in the history of mankind has been more open with it's citizenry or had a better basis for it's government than this country.
    Perfect? No. But corrupt "from the beginning" Absolutely not.

  • NoName posted at 6:56 am on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    NoName Posts: 253

    Watch for a huge new hiring of the "FPS" which will become Obama's private guard.

  • NoName posted at 6:54 am on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    NoName Posts: 253


  • efromm posted at 11:15 pm on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.

    efromm Posts: 704

    Um I left you my number Joe. I posted it on this very site numerous times. I will be at Corbin park tomorrow at 11:00 am meditating by the boat launch. Come look me up. I will be wearing a blue t shirt that says Inspiration plumbing on the back. I will be the guy with the full beard. I insult as well in person too Joe. Come on down and say hi.

    I am not a victim. Just a realist. I said and I quote myself again "The majority of people who exclaim they will fight are over weight couch potatoes. Compared to the actual fighting forces the government has. " How many of you are going out daily training to be as strong as a united states military man? Not many are I bet. I know I am not I do not have enough time to devote to training as hard as they do. Going to the black sheep and buying ammo and guns does nothing to prepare you for the actual battle ahead. But hey I guess you can twist my words to fit the picture you wish to believe or portray.

    America has been corrupted. From the start. We exclaimed freedom yet we retained the freedom for ourselves and did not extend it to the Native Americans or African Americans. For hundreds of years. We took Native lands from them. They fought along with us and then against us. Why? The idea of freedom is an idea. It has to be applied in order for it to work. It was selectively applied. If I am wrong then why did the Native Nations just receive a settlement for past theft of lands and resources? And slavery should have not been allowed after 1776. Not everyone believed the same way. Just as it is today.

    I don't mind being a cockroach. It suits me fine. I know my place. I have been face to face with these people I speak of. They know they are better. And they make sure to remind you of it too. I do not think the deck is stacked against me. I know it is. I have seen it first hand. Look at all the regulation you have to go through to own a business. Heck you even get to be a tax collector for the government. If there was less regulation there would be more work. The fact that there is regulation shows you that there are victims. Enough victims that they needed to regulate us.

    Man is a corrupt beast. And no matter where you look it is everywhere. The best we can do is try to overcome our beastly urges. In the end our lives come down to our children. Nothing else we do in life will be as important as our kids. Through them we live on. It seems that the majority of society sees nothing wrong with the way the schools teach them because they allow their children to go to public school and be indoctrinated. And instead of us teaching them they are taught by the very government that needs them to believe their propaganda so they can keep up the status quot.

    When you look at the world through your own eyes you only see what you choose to see. Right or wrong it's your opinion to make. In the end no one is right. There may be a baseline for truth although it has to be agreed upon by a majority. The United States mas never a majority rule country. It was a Representative Republic. And if the idea would have lasted as a Republic we would not be in this mess today. This majority ruled Democracy is choking the life out of freedom. And killing individual rights as a whole. Once one group decides that it knows best and takes over the other freedom is lost. Within the confines of Democracy there is no freedom...

    You will find that we both agree on a great many things Joe. I really don't give a shi t what you think really. It's not my job to validate you. That's your job. No one has all the answers. I know I don't. I just try to step into others shoes so I can see as many different views as possible of life. No one and I mean no one could ever live up to the standards set forth by God. Or any other person. When you break down all the possibilities of how people form their opinions and beliefs you cannot blame them. It's all they know. It's all you know too...

  • JoeIdaho posted at 9:55 pm on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    What you said, efromm, is that "the people who exclaim they will fight are all couch potatoes".
    And what I told you was 100% correct, that they're not all "couch potatoes". You were wrong.

    And then you said this, and it is idiotic:
    " America has been a corrupt nation from the start"
    Based on WHAT, efromm? Where's your PROOF of corruption in 1776?

    "Freedom for who?"
    GOD is that stupid.
    People all over the world STILL come here for the Freedoms that they can't have where they live. You though, you have NO APPRECIATION for what others fought (and died) to give you.

    "It has always been a rigged game. I think you don't really know how far you are down the line of importance in the world"
    What a seriously pansy way to look at things, obviously, you MUST be a victim. While I realize that I'm not the Presdient, I STILL have the opportunity to do much good in this world, and unlike you, I don;t walk around suling about how the deck is stacked against me.

    "Let me remind you. We are the cockroaches that eat off of their scraps. We are the workers. We in their eyes count for nothing"
    That is YOUR opinion. You want to see yourself as "a worker", you DO it. It's YOUR fault that you se yourself as this, no one elses. If you wanted to start a business, or make more of yourself, you could, at least you have the chance.

    As to the rest of your post, I agree with it, wholeheartedly. I think that government DOES see us as the minions, and we are as stupid as can be in dealing with them.

    I'm NOT a republican, gave up on them a while back, although I'd take them over democrats. I'm a Libertarian, a Constitutionalist, a Tea Partier. I want smaller government based on our Founding Fathers' beliefs in LIMITED government.

    On your "spell check", I don't use it, so I don't have the little red things on my computer, can't all be like you, efromm. If you wanted me to call, you should have left a number, then I could call you & tell you how in-mature you are as well, but evidently you're just another coward. I insult just as well in person as I do on the web, you should try it sometimes, communication is CRYSTAL clear.

  • efromm posted at 8:26 pm on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.

    efromm Posts: 704

    "Let's be realistic here. A civil war will ruin this nation for good"
    DUH. Wow, where'd you get that from, Efromm?

    You really need spell check Joe. Those little red lines under the words mean that you misspelled the word. You should use it now and then. I guess Joe I have thought about it enough to know that war will never be the answer. Although war is a nice population control method. As well as natural disasters. And man made ones. Your in-maturity shows Joe... You know I waited on your phone call. My phone never rang Joe. You like to insult on the internet. I get it. A cowards way to do things but I understand it.

  • efromm posted at 8:16 pm on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.

    efromm Posts: 704

    Joe Says.
    Sure, efromm, all of those military guys who hate obummer, & have served in Afghanistan & Iraq, "overweight couch potatoes". You know NADA....

    Really Joe? That's funny. I have family who are currently serving in the military. And I was not talking about them. I was talking about Joe Q public. I never said anything about the military personnel. There are a lot of people who support the president in the military. Because they want the power it brings.

    People have always been corrupt Joe. Just look at local politics my friend. I mean Comrade.
    America has been a corrupt nation from the start. Freedom for who? It has always been a rigged game. I think you don't really know how far you are down the line of importance in the world. Let me remind you. We are the cockroaches that eat off of their scraps. We are the workers. We in their eyes count for nothing. Go ahead and vote Republican it will not matter. This country has been raped by both parties. I am so tired of people trying to act like it's one party's fault or the others. We elected them. It's our fault. Or is it? Seems to me that brainwashing has been going on for decades.

    If you want to save this nation people need to start acting like Americans again. Not a political party. Those in Washington DC are there to serve us the people. Except somewhere along the way they decided that we serve them. And this is where the problem lies. These public servants only serve themselves. After spending a year working in DC in government buildings I saw it daily. I saw the cynicism when they looked at us. How we were less than them. The corruption runs all the way through. Romney is just another pawn in a game that we know nothing about. And once he is elected it will be business as usual.

    People like being superior. They like to look down on their fellow human beings. They love the power it brings. There are a lot of people who will fight to stay on top. Even if that means killing you to do it. We saw this behavior repeated time and time again all over the world. Nazi Germany Kosovo South Africa Sudan and Russia just to name a few. You only have to look to El Salvador or Guatemala or Mexico to see how humans react when the chips are down.

    I don't disagree with you. I just see a different side of it. And from where I see it we may be screwed no matter what we do. We all know we can't keep borrowing. But why do people keep sending the same guys back decade after decade to run the country? Our way of thinking or loving the country is very different from a city persons perspective. They only know a life of rules and big brother looking over their shoulder. And they are ok with it. They accept it as normal.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:43 pm on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Perfectly Frank:
    Joe Idaho does NOT want any form of war, civil or otherwise.
    But, I also do believe that there is plenty enough vitriole to cause it. I fully believe that Romney is going to win, because obama is literally a failure, in every way.
    When Romney wins, at some point this NATION is going to have to come to the conclusion that we, as a people, have no ABILITY to continue to fund our liabilities. That means welfare, disability checks, and a smaller social security check for all. Unemployment will get limited, as will food stamps and many more forms of aid.
    When this happens, I FULLY believe that the very first thing that will happen is what has happend throughout Europe; the Socialists tell/inform the public that it's the Conservative's fault, and then rioting in the streets begins in earnest.
    Reality in this situation doesn't matter; it's ALL about political gain for the socialists, and that means DEMOCRATS here in America. Nancy Pelosi WILL tell people that the Republicans "want to see poor people starve" and Harry Reed WILL tell minorities that the Republicans are just old white men who want to see black people starve.
    THEY will be responsible for any civil war that erupts here. That's why I dislike them so completely; they will stop at NOTHING to have their political views endorsed, including watching people riot, which is PRECISELY what "Southern Democrats" did in the 1960's, all over cities in America, in order to CONTINUE Segregation.
    REPUBLICANS are who Freed the Slaves, ad died to do so.
    DEMOCRATS are the party of Slavery, for all men & women, of all colors.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:33 pm on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    efromm, says:
    "The majority of people who exclaim they will fight are over weight couch potatoes"
    Sure, efromm, all of those military guys who hate obummer, & have served in Afghanistan & Iraq, "overweight couch potatoes". You know NADA....

    "Compared to the actual fighting forces the government has"
    THINKS it has. (Just like you)

    "Let's be realistic here. A civil war will ruin this nation for good"
    DUH. Wow, where'd you get that from, Efromm?

    "The best you can do is get people elected who will roll this draconian legislation back and free the country again. Freedom as we knew it is gone"
    Disagree. Freedom remains, it being ransomed under the name of Socialism.

    "And the more people you have in the world the less freedom you have"
    Only because people are corrupt.

    "And the less rights you will have to do as you wish"
    Only if it serves someone else's political aspirations, as in Socialism. "What's best for all".

    "Every nation crumbles or falls at some point. We may just witness a fall like a lot of other people did when their nation fell"
    Very possible.
    The Fall of the Roman Empire:
    "The decline of the Roman Empire refers to the gradual societal collapse of the Western Roman Empire"
    SOCIETAL collapse, caused by vast corruption (we have this) abd overcontroling government (we have this).
    "Many theories of causality prevail, but most concern the disintegration of politica:
    We have this. Democrats claim they are "for the people" when they are in fact "for" making themselves more powerful. Republicans, the only hope, have been cast (in a racist way) as being against the rest of society, as well as cast as the scapegoats for all that is wrong.

    See: "Borrow $1,500,000.00 PER HOUR. (what we do today)

    Overburdened& abused by idiot politicians of both parties

    "and other social institutions"
    Every politician trying to "get as much for his Consitutency from Washington as he can" & then bragging about it.

    "in tandem with foreign invasions"
    911 as well as the invasion of our sourthern Borders by Mexicans.

    "and usurpers from within the empire"
    Those that put other Nations interests in front of Americas, including MOST Nations of the world, and their citizens that we allow to live & work here.

  • efromm posted at 5:58 pm on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.

    efromm Posts: 704

    The majority of people who exclaim they will fight are over weight couch potatoes. Compared to the actual fighting forces the government has. Let's be realistic here. A civil war will ruin this nation for good. The best you can do is get people elected who will roll this draconian legislation back and free the country again. Freedom as we knew it is gone. And the more people you have in the world the less freedom you have. And the less rights you will have to do as you wish. Every nation crumbles or falls at some point. We may just witness a fall like a lot of other people did when their nation fell.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 9:59 am on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    You communists are laughable.

    Trying to say that Romney is worse for gun rights than boobhama is ridiculous.
    The FIRST thing that you reds do when ANY shootings happen is to attack gun rights. You are all socialists, communists, stalinists. Yuo're anti-American, and NONE of you believe in personal liberty or the Second Amendment.

    Obbummer IS anti-gun, absolutely, in EVERY way.

    Romney's going to win. Get used to it, commies; "President Romney"

    Doesn't matter, though, I still think there's going to be a civil war in America, regardless, because the majority of us (conservatives) know that you communists won't quit until you can control every aspect of everyone's life. You're anti-American, anti-Freedom, and should all leave America now.

  • Goodgrief posted at 8:43 am on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.

    Goodgrief Posts: 7

    The right to carry in national parks was Bushs' doing, it only came into effect under Obamas administration.
    I dont know if Romney is going to be a great friend to gun owners, but I think he is the lesser of two evils we have to choose from. Anyone who thinks Obama is a gun friendly president isnt paying attention, they probably also believe fast & furious was about gun tracking.

  • IdahoMan posted at 12:11 am on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.

    IdahoMan Posts: 105

    "... adding that the spike could also be related to a change in permit law this year."

    What changed this year?

  • IdahoMan posted at 6:27 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    IdahoMan Posts: 105

    Thanks J.

    Hopefully no gun-owner in their right mind will be voting for Romney. (And spare me the Animal Farm excuses, ABOs)

    BTW, one very frightening thing is the thought that their might actually be police willing to enforce some of the laws you mentioned above. You know the question is sometimes asked to police and soldiers: "Would you obey orders to seize people's firearms?" I certainly hope they wouldn't even think about it. And I certainly hope people would make it impossible for any of them that tried.

  • jmowreader posted at 5:28 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    jmowreader Posts: 1494

    I'd be more worried about my gun rights if Mitt Romney, who signed a bill strengthening Massachusetts' gun laws, gets elected president.

    In Massachusetts, every gun owner must be licensed. These licenses cost $100 and are good for six years--and if you screw up and let it expire, you have to get rid of all your guns immediately because possession of guns by an unlicensed person is a felony. Also, every gun you own has to be registered.

    Better: there are three kinds of licenses: Class A License to Carry (allows large-capacity guns--rifles and pistols that can hold more than 10 rounds or shotguns that can hold more than five shells), Class B License to Carry (allows non-large-capacity handguns, rifles and shotguns), and Firearms Identification Card (allows rifles and shotguns). Holding a gun your license doesn't allow is itself a felony.

    Romney signed this.

    Obama, OTOH, signed the bill allowing you to carry a gun into a national park--the largest expansion of gun owners' rights in years.

  • Good_Ole_Mitt_Romney posted at 4:25 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    Good_Ole_Mitt_Romney Posts: 183

    You might be a redneck gun nut if you come back from the "local range", with more empties than you shot.
    Fear makes a good business partner.

  • Joshido posted at 3:24 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    Joshido Posts: 77

    Fear breeds profit, as always.

  • Flash Gordon posted at 2:41 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    Flash Gordon Posts: 1680

    Gun manufacturers, ammunition manufacturers, and the NRA did a number on the public when they demonized Obama as anti gun and anti second amendment when he said during the 2008 campaign that in tough times some people retreat to their guns and religion....which is very true.

    Black Sheep, Wholesale Sports Warehouse and every gun dealer in town made a financial windfall off the "fear". Personally, it makes that aspect of the public look gullible and easily exploitable. The new bumper sticker slogan should be "you'll get my gun when you pry my cold dead fingers from my credit/debit card". Obama is good for business:)

  • IdahoMan posted at 12:46 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    IdahoMan Posts: 105

    "'This particular community has active concealed carry,'"

    When is Idaho going to do away with the requirement to obtain a CC permit?

    I'm surprised we haven't gotten rid of the unconstitutional requirement to obtain a permit in order to carry a weapon concealed yet. Other states have finally been doing so, and Idaho considers itself to be a very pro-freedom/pro-gun state.

  • Peter posted at 12:07 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    Peter Posts: 690

    The irony is that Obama signed the largest expansion of gun rights in decades allowing gun owners to carry firearms ino national parks and he did not sign the extension to the Brady Bill...not that it would've ever made the extension through congress even if he did.

    Now, before any of you tinfoil hat idiots cry out about the recent UN gun ban treaty being floated around, there is not a chance in he!! that the law will ever see the light of day in the US or any sovereign nation that does not sign on to it. And even if any country is dumb enough to sign on to it it is up to that nation not the UN,/b> to enforce the law as they see fit. The notion that Sec Clinton agreed to sign it is utterly 100% false and is nothing more than an empty chainmail circulating to panic the weak minded. The gullability of falling for a anti-UN chainmail going around about gun-ban simply shows how dumb this nation has become with Foxnews/UN conspiracy theory alarmists have become. Those folks should seriously factcheck your sources before writing next time. Here is the answer to the idiocy of the UN mythical gunban treaty that the US will never sign:


  • ricksnidaho posted at 10:47 am on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    ricksnidaho Posts: 44

    And where do you get your information/news??? CNN?? (Clinton News Network)

  • LMYCDA posted at 8:11 am on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    LMYCDA Posts: 2288

    Where do these people get their information? FAUX NEWS!!!!

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