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Posted: Friday, April 6, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 9:37 am, Fri Nov 16, 2012.

COEUR d'ALENE - The clock has started.

The petitions to begin a recall effort against three Coeur d'Alene City Council members and the mayor were certified Thursday, leaving the citizen group spearheading the campaign 75 days to collect 4,311 signatures.

The deadline to collect enough signatures from registered city voters to get a recall election on the Nov. 6 ballot for Mayor Sandi Bloem and council members Mike Kennedy, Woody McEvers and Deanna Goodlander is 5 p.m. Tuesday, June 19.

"We're going to go out and get signatures," said Frank Orzell, RecallCdA organizer, the group heading the effort.

Wednesday, Orzell had delivered the petitions to begin the drive, but each of the four 20-signature forms lacked a reason to oust the current members. A reason is needed, so each member can defend against the charge should the recall election make on a ballot.

The updated petitions Orzell delivered Thursday charged three reasons. Each incumbent, they say: Denied a public advisory vote on the McEuen Field conceptual plan and approved a plan to remake the field; continues to approve "excessive salaries" for city employees; and "consistently supports excessive spending of taxpayer dollars."

Orzell said the group could begin collecting signatures by Saturday. He said around 85 volunteers will be trained to go door-to-door and describe the three listed reasons when they seek support. The group's headquarters, 296 W. Sunset Ave., should be open April 11, earlier than the original date, April 15.

"We want to be perfectly legitimate and we will go out and get signatures," he said.

Before Orzell delivered the incomplete documents Wednesday, around 75 recall supporters rallied outside City Hall. Thursday, around 40 citizens who are against the recall gathered at the Fort Ground Grill to show support for the targeted incumbents, all of whom attended.

"I think it's huge," said Sara Meyer, who is leading the anti-recall campaign along with Jennifer Drake, on the need to combat the recall movement. "We are not going to let these people take over our town."

According to Idaho statutes, if the petition drive and recall election is successful on each of the incumbents, the four officials would be removed. That would leave three council members, Ron Edinger, Steve Adams and Dan Gookin, all of whom opposed the McEuen Field project.

Idaho Gov. Butch Otter would appoint one replacement. That would give the council a quorum, essentially enough members for the council to take action. The four members would then appoint the remaining positions. In this case, the seats would all expire in 2013.

While the recall effort is largely due to the incumbents' stance on approving the redevelopment plan of McEuen Field, Mayor Sandi Bloem told the crowd at the Fort Ground Grill the recall is about the direction the city will go, not just on the downtown park, but on everything.

"What is going to happen to this community if they get the recall?" she asked, standing in the restaurant in the middle of the improved education corridor, a project that was recently completed after years of planning by multiple stakeholders, including the city. "You're throwing out the entire vision for what we have for the future."

The goal of the anti-recall group, which has started a Facebook page, is to educate people why not to sign the petition, Drake and Meyer said. They pointed to a flier RecallCdA is circulating as spreading false information. The flier says the incumbents "approved a $40 million plan to remake McEuen Field."

The City Council approved to move forward with an estimated $14.2 million Phase 1 plan for the park. That passed four votes to three, with the divide being which incumbents are targeted by the recall and which aren't.

During the planning process of McEuen Field last year, the park designers estimated that if everything was built out on the plan, including providing replacement facilities for displaced facilities like the boat launch and American Legion baseball field, the total could hit up to $39 million.

But the city reduced Phase 1 to the $14 million price by dropping some items in the plan, and said everything else after that could fall into place down the line, if funding, including from grants and donations, became available.

Orzell and supporters have maintained the recall is not a personal or political attack, but reaction from dissatisfied citizens who wanted a vote in the fate of McEuen.

"Stop spending our money on an overly extravagant park," said Chuck Russell, recall supporter at the Wednesday rally. "It's for the tourists and not for the (local) people."

Thursday, Ron Lahr, of the Kootenai County Reagan Republicans, said his campaign marketing firm, Strategery, did design the RecallCdA fliers. Strategery did so independently from KCRR, he said, and the political group was staying out of the recall effort.

KCRR has become active in recent elections, supporting seven municipal candidates - also Republicans - across Kootenai County during last November's election on grounds that municipal elections aren't nonpartisan elections. All seven won seats, including Adams and Gookin.

While individual members may support the petition, the group won't act one way or another, Lahr said. That could change if the drive is successful, however, and the recall election makes it to a ballot.

"What would be the benefit, pro or against, of signature gathering?" he said. "As an official position, I don't expect there to be any action until it gets on the ballot."

Adams, Gookin and Edinger have said they are staying out of the recall effort.

Adams is a former KCRR board member who stepped down several months ago, before the recall effort took foot in February. He said he did so largely because of time constraints with his new job as a councilman. He and Gookin were elected to the City Council in November.

Gookin is a KCRR member. He said at the KCRR February meeting, discussion about a possible recall came up, and he left the meeting, an incident Lahr also recounted to The Press.

Should the KCRR engage in the effort officially, Gookin said he could resign from the board in order to stay neutral.

"I'll make that decision at that time," he said.

Who signed?

The 20 signatures on the RecallCdA petition:

Frank Orzell, Phil Motl, William 'Dusty' Rhoads, Terri Seymour, Kenneth Stuker, Kathleen Sims, Jeff Connaway, James Doty, Don Kilian, Keith Peila, Gary Ingram, Julie Clark, Jaqueline Mayo, Sharon Alexander, Rita Sims-Snyder, Robert Hough, Jaqueline Wright, William Wright, Bruce MacNeil, Linda MacNeil

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76 comments:

  • LTRLTR posted at 4:50 pm on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    "Recall CdA Headquarters at 296 W. Sunset Avenue, Suite 21, Coeur d’Alene, ID." " It is in the Sunset Village mall next to Wild Birds Unlimited and Las Chevelas Mexican Restaurant and is easily seen from US 95. The most convenient street entrance is from Bosanko, then turn into the parking lot."

     
  • cgent47 posted at 3:14 pm on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    cgent47 Posts: 190

    mejdae "The council did listen . . . they listened to citizens like me."

    You are absolutely right they did listen to you. Thats why a recall petition has been started. Were you here for the last election? Steve, Dan and Ron won by huge numbers because they were listening to the voters. The voters do not want the mayor and her friends vision for McKuen. Period!! I own a business and for months all I have heard is throw the mayor and her three sheep out.
    PS, Where can I pick up the recall petitions.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 2:31 pm on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Most of you are correct in saying the McEuen Field changes slated for this year are Phase 1 of the Master Plan adopted by Council earlier this year. Costs have already been budgeted for in the current 2011/2012 year only. Costs for boat launch and ball field relocation are not part of the $14 million plus estimates.

    This is what mostly will happen....the Mayor and three Council Members elected in 2009 will be up for re-election in 2013 and they will avoid any tax increase or other negative attention that may interfere with their campaign. If by chance, Mayor Bloem, Council Members Kennedy, Goodlander and McEvers were elected to stay, than Phase 2 would be part of the 2013/2014 budget. Yes the City will continue to build out McEuen Field over the years unless the community puts a stop to the nonsense.

    I used my voice and signed the RECAll petition today and I will volunteer to help over the next few months.

    Mayor Bloem knew this was coming and is now telling lies that the Recall Group wants to stop all future growth. I voted for the recall because I do not have faith in the elected few who do not have faith in its community. Mayor Bloem has already stated that if the people had a chance to vote on the Kroc Center, the Educational Corridor and McEuen Field Renovation, the answer would have been a very loud NO. Doesn't Mayor Bloem trust the community she leads? Obviously not!

     
  • Ziggy posted at 10:52 am on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    Ziggy Posts: 1077

    This all could have been avoided if the council had not contracted with an out of town company to tell CdA residents what they should do. That should have been up to the people who live here--to formulate a plan for their own town and yes, it just might have been to keep the ballfields and the boat launch and the park pretty much the way it is or they might have come up with a totally different idea that everyone loved. We'll never know.
    There have been some questionable actions such as the purchase of library property and ed corridor property at what some consider inflated prices and using public money for the Kroc Center when the promise was that no tax money would be used.
    One last action which angered many people was the statement from the council that "we are buying a piece of property on Cherry Hill but we don't know what we will do with it." And then a couple of days later......completed plans and a committeeformed to beg for donations to complete a -- ballfield! In a couple of days???? I don't think so. This was an obvious deception. From 'we don't know what we will do with this property to a completed plan for a ballfield in a few days' stretches credibility.

     
  • mejdae posted at 9:50 am on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    mejdae Posts: 37

    . . . before someone jumps on it . . . Phase 2 is probably planned, at least in a general way, but it is definitely unfunded.

     
  • mejdae posted at 9:48 am on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    mejdae Posts: 37

    You are correct Always Curious, more participation by all on a regular basis would go a long ways fixing these issues. Thank you for pointing that out.

    Also, I don't feel particularly naive. Phase 2 is unplanned and unfunded. I don't think that the council will move forward with it after this debacle. You may choose to believe otherwise, but my call is that Phase 2 will founder and be forgotten.

    @kimkerl: I do say "only" $14.2 million. We cannot legitimately discuss the fiscal and spending policies of any government without acknowledging that the scale is different from our own households. Everything is relative. All capital projects demand investment and must be considered not only in terms of the immediate cost, but also of the benefits drawn over time. We need to keep time, population, and future returns in mind when looking at an otherwise big number like $14.2 million.

     
  • Always Curious posted at 9:22 am on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    Always Curious Posts: 433

    Thanks for the chuckle Cookie;

    “ …… enhancing a severely underused and run down plot of land that is one of the gems of the entire state.”

    So which is it a gem or a run-down plot? Sounds like you have a bit of the politician in you (said with a smile).

    @jmowreader … how many organized, recall attempts on this scale can you “recall” (sorry, had to do it).

    A group of people exercising their rights is going to lead to anarchy? So what if some people demand an advisory vote about filling pot-holes, that is their right. If history is any indicator though I’m pretty sure they would be ignored.

    @mejdae ... that is what is wanted - the system that works to be used; let the people decide.

    I also feel it is naive to think that Phase I won't be followed by Phase 2 otherwise why not just call it Phase That's All? And obviously a large number of people seem to favor a Phase None, hence the organization of the recall.

    What is happening is actually the responsibility of all citizens; active participation in government. Unfortunately so many are of the "need-to-be-led" outlook abrogating those responsibilities thereby allowing special interest groups to wield influence outside the scope of their numbers.

    Let the people be counted.

     
  • kimknerl posted at 9:19 am on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    kimknerl Posts: 286

    Amazing how the anti-recall folks like to use the statement ONLY $14.2 million. I feel that pretty well describes their status in the community, or who is pulling their strings. Don’t get me wrong, I have no issues with someone having wealth, however, I do have an issue if said folks use their wealth to gain political favoritism for personal benefit over what may be best for the community as a whole.

    ONLY $14.2 million is correct, but that is ONLY for phase I. Can someone come up with a solid argument that there is not already planning underway for a proposed phase II, phase III, etc., etc? One of the key selling points to this whole McEuen plan where we take an already existing park and turn it into, well, a park, was the idea that there would be all this new entertainment and activities that everyone in the community can enjoy. Now, rather than spend that ONLY 14.2 million on many of these enjoyable amenities, instead we ONLY see the majority of this money being used on a new parking garage and work to make boating inconvenient and to get rid of some kids playing baseball. This is, without a doubt, an effort to ONLY get a foothold on a project that will ONLY go on and on, ONLY adding more millions to the final price tag.

    Those of us who favor a recall and a change in the City Council from members that show favoritism to a select few are ONLY being realistic. We are the ONLY ones looking towards the future without blinders on. We ONLY see the truth, and that truth does not include ONLY $14.2 million. The main goal of those who will be recalled is ONLY to make this small section of town more visually appealing for the select few.

    Is it just me, or does it appear that so many of these City/LCDC/Urban Renewal Agency projects seem to focus on the lake-view/river view, higher-end properties? Seems one could follow a band that stretches from the Spokane River at Riverstone, heading towards Lake Coeur d’Alene and ending around Tubbs Hill. I’m guessing those must be the areas of blight and dilapidation that Urban Renewal Agencies are funded by tax increments to improve. Oh yeah, there was also the improvement to 4th street. I’m guessing the though behind that would be to attract a better type of business, rather the kind of establishments that cater to those second-hand shopping peasants, maybe even improve the flow over to Taco Time.

     
  • mejdae posted at 8:59 am on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    mejdae Posts: 37

    @cgent147: Or . . . they won't be. We will just have to see. Which is of course the whole point of representative democracy. I support the decisions that the mayor and the council have made. Many of the citizens here do want the see McEuen upgraded and made more accessible for all (granted, I like the downgraded $14.2 million plan and did not support the full $40 million version). The council did listen . . . they listened to citizens like me. They also listened to citizens like you. Just because they chose to pursue a path you do not support does not mean they did not listen. I think that the fact that they left the boat launch is solid evidence that they took information from everybody.
    You have every right to support a recall petition (though it seems like an abuse of recall power, to me) and more importantly, you can and should rally people to vote people you disagree with out of power during election cycles. Just be aware that there will be a significant number of people voting another way. That's how our system works.

     
  • cgent47 posted at 7:50 am on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    cgent47 Posts: 190

    There is going to be a recall because the mayor and her three sheep did not listen. The voters sent a very clear message last election. We do not want to spend millions on McKuen park. We do not want the boat launch moved. Period. The numbers in the last election were overwhelming. The incumbents were crushed. It was a protest vote and the council did not get the message. You will be replaced.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 6:58 am on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    cookie,

    Not conspiracy, FACT. The mayors property is directly involved in the whole McEuen project. Did she recuse herself from voting on the project? NO

    mikey works for the partner of, at the time, sitting LCDC board member nipp. They own, I believe it is Parkwood Properties which bought TWO properties on front WHILE sitting on the board. Can you say, INSIDER TRADING?

    The Commercial Corridor, I mean "EDUCATION" corridor was purchased at the highest rate EVER paid in Idaho in a declining market.

    So, to you, the end may justify the means but for those that are part of the highest number of people unemployed it is about the JOBS JOBS JOBS that the mayor promised. And I'm not talking those $3.35 per hour SLAVE jobs she has created.

     
  • jmowreader posted at 1:54 am on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    jmowreader Posts: 1071

    I really don't see a "good guy" in this whole sordid recall mess.

    On one hand, you've got a bunch of people who claim to believe in representative democracy, until the representatives do something the people don't like. If the recall goes through, people will start demanding "advisory votes" every time the city wants to fill potholes.

    The other hand contains the mayor and four city council members who want to spend at least 40 million tax dollars to build a showpiece park next to a huge mountain, and the park will be two blocks from one of the busiest freshwater beaches in the United States.

    And seriously, guys? All but about the westernmost 40 feet of McEuen can't even see the lake because Tubbs Hill is in the way. The rest of the field gets to look at the side of the Resort and the boat slips.

     
  • Cookie posted at 8:10 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Cookie Posts: 90

    Your definition of attack and my definition of attack are different I guess. C'est la vie. Actually, LTR I did regret a bit including you in my earlier comment after I posted it because you are at least above the table and reasonable for the most part in expressing your point of view, although I do not agree with it. As for the others, well...

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 7:29 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Cookie, You sure like to attack! We will see how far that gets you.

     
  • mister d posted at 7:26 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    mister d Posts: 1531

    The money suggested for this park and the upkeep dollars of the park would make a nice tax cut for all of us in CDA. Put the money to use for the most people, not just the people downtown and tourist. Most local people do not travel downtown in the warm weather unless they live there because of the tourist conjestion, not because the park isn't adequate.

     
  • Cookie posted at 7:07 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Cookie Posts: 90

    concerned, there you go again, offering nothing but a perceived conspiracy. "she is concerned with the value of her property as is the rest of the corrupt stakeholders." If you have actual factual evidence of this I'm sure we would all love to see it. So cough it up. The improved Riverstone, Kroc, 4th st corridor, and the future McEuen are all part of the big picture, little steps that have and will make our town more liveable and therefore more attractive for companies that might want to move here and create jobs. As I'm sure you realize, jobs are a rare commodity right now and not even the mayor has a magic wand to make them happen. Still, if you have a revolutionary idea on how our city can turn $14 million into a way to create instant jobs, please share them here, and please present them to the people who have the power to make that happen. If you do have the magic answer on how the city can create jobs right now, why haven't you presented them yet? That would be amazing, as I am currently one of the job seekers and you seem to know how to make it happen.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 6:39 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    So cookie, we should just follow suit and do as every other city does? The mayor promised JOBS JOBS JOBS. Where are they? No, she is concerned with the value of her property as is the rest of the corrupt stakeholders.

     
  • Cookie posted at 6:11 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Cookie Posts: 90

    @justinian: never said I didn't like you, you could be simply adorable in real life for all I know. Just saying that your bratty, conspiracy-prone behavior here does nothing at all to help your cause. But it looks like you learned from the best (Mary Souza, that is). I certainly wouldn't want the likes of you, Joe Idaho, LTR et al representing my side.

     
  • chouli posted at 5:28 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1257

    meesterbox, if the current mceuen web site is not accurate, then why hasn't it been updated?
    when something states "phase 1" it means there will be additional phases to come or it wouldn't state phase 1.
    you can say there will be no taxes used to build what we don't want to start with but it's just too much of a stretch to believe. once the initial 14 million is invested it will be too late to stop and then we are stuck.

    no thanks.

     
  • justinian posted at 5:00 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    justinian Posts: 318

    “All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for their equal protection and benefit, and they have the right to alter, reform or abolish the same whenever they may deem it necessary.”

     
  • justinian posted at 4:59 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    justinian Posts: 318

    "We are not going to let these people take over our town."

    Says the heir to the Meyer Nipp Ironwood / LCDC / Ed Corridor gazillionaires.
    Meyer and her buddy the hieress to the Riggs family government / private / medical gazillions are defending their families "crony capitalism" built empires. And the Press doesn't bother identifying who these people really are.

    Just my opinion. Just.

     
  • justinian posted at 4:58 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    justinian Posts: 318

    Aw, cookie doesn't like me. So sad.

    But my understanding is over 900 signatures were gathered today. And that is just the way the cookie crumbles. Just.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 4:45 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Correction to my 3:52 post should say the new boat launch on Cda. Lake Dr. not Lakeshore.

    And back to Cookie ", but the idea has a snowball's chance in heck (the real word wouldn't make it past the profanity filter, haha) of happening" is just the kind of attitude of our Mayor and 3 other council members.

    Not everyone in our community can absorb the additional taxes. And yes the city can lower taxes and help put food the table.

     
  • Cookie posted at 4:27 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Cookie Posts: 90

    Justinian, your repetition is immature and pointless and adds zilch to the conversation.

    Just my opinion. Just.

     
  • Cookie posted at 4:26 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Cookie Posts: 90

    LTR, the scenarios you painted exist in every city everywhere. The money that is already in hand is set for the purpose of McEuen improvements and I'm guessing it would be near impossible to shift that money toward another civic purpose. Should the city just divide the money by 45,000 (or whatever the exact pop. of CdA is) and cut a check to everyone in town? That'd be a nice bit of extra money I'm sure everyone could use, but the idea has a snowball's chance in heck (the real word wouldn't make it past the profanity filter, haha) of happening. As far as empty houses, I don;t see your point. Are you saying the city should buy them with the McEuen money and rent them out? Should the city give the money to Avista to split between everyone's utility bills? Should they donate the 14 mil to the food bank, is that what you're suggesting? Nice idea in theory, but you know as well as I do that'll never happen. The money is in hand and has been pulled together for the purpose of enhancing a severely underused and run down plot of land that is one of the gems of the entire state. Myself and many others would love to see it happen. Let's get it done.

     
  • justinian posted at 4:12 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    justinian Posts: 318

    "We are not going to let these people take over our town."

    Says the heir to the Meyer Nipp Ironwood / LCDC / Ed Corridor gazillionaires.
    Meyer and her buddy the hieress to the Riggs family government / private / medical gazillions are defending their families "crony capitalism" built empires. And the Press doesn't bother identifying who these people really are.

    Just my opinion. Just.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 3:53 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Field maintenance costs does not include extra police or equipment replacement.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 3:52 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    http://www.spokesman.com/documents/2011/apr/14/mceuen-field-maintenance-costs/

    I found the estimated additional costs to maintain McEuen Field improvements and they total $24,212 for additional operation and maintenance. These costs will rise each and every year and will be funded from our property taxes. These costs do not include a ball field on 15th St. nor a boat launch on Lakeshore Dr

     
  • Ziggy posted at 3:49 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Ziggy Posts: 1077

    I worked with people who led big projects. The first thing one needs when one proposes a project is buy in from the people involved. That is what is missing. Many people in CdA resented an out of town consulting firm telling the locals what they need the want and should have. Contrast this with Post Falls who, in a story in this paper today, are polling their own citizens to see what direction the citizens want Post Falls to take.
    CdA Council didn't get buy in except from a few downtowners.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 3:41 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    McEuen Field Phase I improvements are just that....PHASE 1 of the McEuen Field Master Plan.

    And just think...the city wants to spend 14 million to gain 35 additional vehicle parking spaces and 6 more boat trailer space. 14 million was approved by the Mayor and Council for budget year 2011/2012. The mayor has repeated over and over that McEuen Field will forever being making changes. Is there an end? Yes, RECALL, RECALL, RECALL RECALL.

    Next year the budget will include millions for a new boat launch and new ball fields. But dont forget the fees that designers will charge in addition to the 1.9 million for this year.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 3:33 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Cookie, If I were a business owner, like Mayor Bloem in the downtown core, I too would want the improvements to attract more foot traffic.

    However improvements in the downtown core are paid by our entire community.

    Have you looked around at the rest of our community lately? We have empty homes, record number of community folks going to the food banks and seeking help paying their electric bills. Our streets are cracked and have been patched so many times they are rough to drive on. How many misses have you had from the red light runners. Any breakins in your neighborhood? And how about a Water Department that raises your monthly bill to teach you to be conservative with usage when they already have plenty of money and plenty of water.

     
  • Cookie posted at 3:14 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Cookie Posts: 90

    Can one of you nayayers explain to me in a reasonable, factual fashion (no conspiracy theories, please) why it should be a bad thing that downtown business owners would want to see the amenities in their neighborhood improved as to increase foot traffic (and sales) and make the downtown experience more enjoyable in general? I can't for the life of me understand why that's a problem. From reading your comments on other threads, I thought you all were pro business...

     
  • justinian posted at 3:02 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    justinian Posts: 318

    "We are not going to let these people take over our town."

    Says the heir to the Meyer Nipp Ironwood / LCDC / Ed Corridor gazillionaires.
    Meyer and her buddy the hieress to the Riggs family government / private / medical gazillions are defending their families "crony capitalism" built empires. And the Press doesn't bother identifying who these people really are.

    Recall. Rinse. Repeat. BTW watch for a resign and appoint game by Her Sandiness if the recall gets hot.

    Just my opinion. Just.

     
  • adamgraves posted at 2:39 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    adamgraves Posts: 47

    for those who support our council and a positive, prosperous future, please print this pdf and put it on your door, car, office, etc.
    http://www.yousendit.com/download/M3BubUpkWkI3N0M1aWNUQw

     
  • meesterbox posted at 12:51 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    meesterbox Posts: 183

    Randy - why didn't you let you voice be heard at all the public and council meetings regarding this when you had the opportunity?

     
  • meesterbox posted at 12:36 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    meesterbox Posts: 183

    With eliminating the giant concrete parking lot the benefits are amazing:

    -Expands the park by nearly 5 acres
    -Allows people to access the waterfront without vehicle/pedestrian conflicts
    -Opens up the greatest views and vistas for public interaction on the waterfront

    It is going to be amazing - it is going to be amazing for our city - and for those of you too blind to see how wonderful this is, I feel sorry for you.

     
  • justinian posted at 12:06 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    justinian Posts: 318

    I asked, "How many parking spots in the garage being planned?"

    Meester claims: "Future - 630"

    So a parking garage with 630 spaces costs how much meester?

     
  • Ziggy posted at 12:06 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Ziggy Posts: 1077

    If parks brought high tech then Spokane would be dripping with high tech industry as no matter what CdA does, it cannot and will never equal Manito Park.
    On tv this am was a story about Nantucket which had many of the original 1850 homes and cobble stone streets preserved. It was a charming place to live and the residents loved it. In comes the big money to tear down homes, level lots, build huge homes incongruous with existing architecture. The point is that these people were destroying the very thing that attracted them to Nantucket.
    Sound familiar?

     
  • meesterbox posted at 11:42 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    meesterbox Posts: 183

    I am confused by the parking comment - it is on the McEuen Currents website.
    Existing - 595
    Future - 630
    Is that what you are looking for? We also gains over 5 acres of green space - useful space.

    Phase 2 might happen in the future - and like I said - I hope it does. But the issue at hand is the recall and that fact that the figure of $40M is being thrown around as fact and it isn't.

    Lemons for breakfast - nice!

     
  • justinian posted at 11:24 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    justinian Posts: 318

    "My name isn't Mrs. Meyer." And yet you sound just like her, post here and elsewhere with the same language she uses. Ah, well, maybe you are another child of wealth and privilege supported by the "Inside Connection" that fuels the wealth, crony capitalist crowd that runs City Hall.

    "And I'm not being abusive,..." Only in the world of wealth and power are the words you use not abusive Sara, but that is your world. In the real world, your abuse helps the perception that the wealthy who run City Hall are arrogant and out of touch, so carry on.

    And did you answer my simple question? Nope. Because you cannot. The "Phase I" plan doesn't specify how many parking spots now does it?

    "You're all so bitter."

    No, not abusive, not you Sara.

     
  • Always Curious posted at 11:14 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Always Curious Posts: 433

    meesterbox, is your naivety a true indication of your political astuteness or do really think that everyone that doesn't follow your viewpoint is stupid?

    Your simple and obvious attempt at deflection would be funny if it weren't such an often and overly-used tactic of defense when the facts don’t conveniently fit all your assertions. The facts are; PHASE 1 ($14 mil) will be followed by PHASE "2" when funding is available (misappropriated taxes, self-serving loans, etc.). See the numeric progression there or do really think that after the Phase 1 "foundations" are in things will stop there? Very unlikely. Then the rally cry will be, "Well we've come this far and already spent the money, be a shame to waste it, let’s do more!".

    Even an unbiased observer can see that this recall is about citizen representation, even if you don't agree with it. It is so apparently obvious as well that this is a significant issue to many, many people which resulted in a change of city council representatives recently and will very likely in the near future result in more changes for these representatives of the people.

     
  • DeNiles posted at 11:08 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    meesterbox.... if were a quarter dollar more it would be too much. Th McUse-you project is in addition to: "name-it"...... Look at salaries. See the hubris. Push has come to shove.

     
  • Arsaken posted at 11:05 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Arsaken Posts: 49

    My name isn't Mrs. Meyer. Try again. And I'm not being abusive, I'm being factual. Factual means based on facts. Would you like me to define "facts" for you? I know Mary's minions are used to having things defined for them.

    Do you guys eat anything other than lemons for breakfast? You're all so bitter.

     
  • justinian posted at 11:04 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    justinian Posts: 318

    How many parking spots meester? Hmmm? Your precious Mayor cannot even answer that question, they are already way over budget and Phase I is all they are playing with - for the moment.

    No, the lies are coming from the "pretty people" who own City Hall and do not want to let go. The uber wealthy whose "vision" excludes letting the poeple have a vote. Except now they get a vote - on the recall.

     
  • meesterbox posted at 10:57 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    meesterbox Posts: 183

    concernedcitizen - your attacks are useless. I see your name as a poster on here and know that it isn't worth my time to try and reason with you.

    Sure it says first phase because it would be GREAT if there were multiple phases to continue to upgrade the park.

    Justinian - look at the link you posted. It say 2011/04 (translates as April 2011 if you need some help), which once again takes me back to to my misinformed or uneducated comment for the third time .

    Now grab you mouse and navigate to the City of CdA's park page and check out the McEuen Currents page for all the information that is CURRENT.

    Here is the link for you - http://www.cdaidparks.org/index.php/links-downloads/mceuen-park-project

    Here you will see the plan that was approved.

    And once again $40M is a lie.

     
  • CaiusCosades posted at 10:43 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    CaiusCosades Posts: 378

    JonnyQ, you speak as if there are only 2 possible sources for income for CDA: tourists or the (not dying but dead) timber industry. What about spending that 40 million on helping some high-tech/high paying industries come into the area? Why don't you think before you jump all over people?

     
  • justinian posted at 10:39 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    justinian Posts: 318

    Oh and Ms. Meyer, the link to the City budget is live today. Go to: http://mceuenpark.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Cost_Estimate.pdf

    Add it up. Go ahead. Then get back to me with the number of parking spots in this beautiful "vision" your feckless Mayor has proposed. And your apology for being abusive, if you have any shame in you.

     
  • justinian posted at 10:37 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    justinian Posts: 318

    "You're delusional."

    No Mrs. Meyer, not at all.

    "The only plan that our Mayor and Council approved are the changes to the park that will cost $14.2M."

    Talk about delusional. How many parking spots in the garage being planned? Can you answer that simple question?

     
  • Arsaken posted at 10:29 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Arsaken Posts: 49

    Oh Justinian, I was trying to narrow down the many ways to respond to your ludicrous comments, but I just kept coming back to one thing: You're delusional.

    Meesterbox is correct. The park was approved for $14.2 million. That's it. No grand conspiracy or secret future plans. Taxes are not being raised. The money is already in hand. ANYTHING ELSE IS A LIE.

    You can't reason with unreasonable people, but I'll keep trying. I owe it to the great community leaders being attacked so viciously and unethically by the recall crowd.

     
  • meesterbox posted at 10:24 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    meesterbox Posts: 183

    Justinian - Back to my misinformed or uneducated comment, you need to stay current on current issues.

    You are posting articles going back a year. The only plan that our Mayor and Council approved are the changes to the park that will cost $14.2M - and the funds are available for this.

    So once again - lies and misinformation. I really wish everyone supporting this recall attempt would actually take the time and understand the facts. I can help if you would like. I am an honest man and will only post actual figures and facts.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 10:21 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    Read above meesterbox. $14 million is for the FIRST PHASE. That means there are more Phases to come. It is YOU that cannot tell a a lie from the truth.

     
  • justinian posted at 10:12 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    justinian Posts: 318

    The $40,000,000 figure from the City website:

    http://mceuenpark.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Cost_Estimate.pdf

     
  • justinian posted at 10:10 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    justinian Posts: 318

    "We are not going to let these people take over our town."

    Says the heir to the Meyer Nipp Ironwood / LCDC / Ed Corridor gazillionaires.
    Meyer and her buddy the hieress to the Riggs family government / private / medical gazillions are defending their families "crony capitalism" built empires. And the Press doesn't bother identifying who these people really are.

    Recall. Rinse. Repeat. BTW watch for a resign and appoint game by Her Sandiness if the recall gets hot.

    Just my opinion. Just.

     
  • justinian posted at 10:09 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    justinian Posts: 318

    Ron_Burgundy1988 has a style very much like a well connected elected official. Odd.

    Just my opinion. Just.

     
  • justinian posted at 10:09 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    justinian Posts: 318

    "$40 million is a lie."

    Well, no. See http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2011/apr/15/mceuen-remake-could-cost-40-million/

    "McEuen remake could cost $40 million"

    http://media.spokesman.com/photos/2011/04/15/Proposed-McEuen-price-pth.jpg

     
  • meesterbox posted at 9:58 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    meesterbox Posts: 183

    $40 million is a lie. So if you are signing the petition based on this fact, you signature is a lie. It even talks about it in the article yet you still harp on about this inflated figure.

    And attacking those heading up the charge to stop the Recall based on their name? Childish. Maybe you all know these names because they actually do things - good things for the community.

    It is sad that a number of you commenting on here think the recall is good for our community. You have either been misinformed or very uneducated to think this is the case.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 9:52 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    jonny and localmom,

    Not against it at all. It is the method used and the planned deterioration and then over spending especially in this economy.

    localmom,

    I would rather spend a VERY little now than what these people have in store without a vote.

     
  • Ron_Burgundy1988 posted at 9:42 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Ron_Burgundy1988 Posts: 39

    Ron Lahr is the board executive for the Jacklin Arts and Cultural Center in Post Falls. My family has had made contributions to support that center and attended events there. Not anymore. My $100 bucks membership is going elsewhere this year and every year. They probably don't need it anyway. With all the money Lahr makes extorting endorsements from candidates who pay him (like School Board Chair Terri Seymour who he strong-armed into signing the petition I'm told) he can donate that to the JACC. Good riddance.

     
  • WilliamWMiller posted at 9:19 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    WilliamWMiller Posts: 106

    The can come over here and spend that $40 mil

     
  • DeNiles posted at 8:49 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    So, is the CdA Press planning to publicize the name of everyone who signs the recall petitions? Is this tantamount to a form of intimidation? If you sign we'll make certain everyone knows?

     
  • Close Enough posted at 8:26 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Close Enough Posts: 134

    It's time to show Kennedy the door.

     
  • JonnyQPubic posted at 8:20 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    JonnyQPubic Posts: 325

    @Caius:
    Stop badmouthing toursts unless you have a way to bring back the timber industry.

    @LocalMom:
    Hit that one on the head. I just love selective vision from these folks.

    Be careful what you wish for Recallers. The idea of a one (closed) minded City Council is scarier than removing your precious parking lot.

     
  • chouli posted at 8:17 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    chouli Posts: 1257

    Justinian,
    THANK YOU for the insight. I was wondering if the Meyer leading the anti-recall group was Parkwood/LCDC/insider/elite related Meyer…no surprise there! And to see the Riggs connection is no surprise either. The next generation of insiders supporting the system. LOL

    The information you give is exactly what the citizens need to know who’s pulling the strings.

    “Says the heir to the Meyer Nipp Ironwood / LCDC / Ed Corridor gazillionaires.
    Meyer and her buddy the hieress to the Riggs family government / private / medical gazillions are defending their families "crony capitalism" built empires. And the Press doesn't bother identifying who these people really are.”

    Keep up the good work!


     
  • justinian posted at 8:17 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    justinian Posts: 318

    Sneaky, Inside Connection deals, contempt for the voters, outright lies from the Mayor and Kennedy. Yeah, time for a recall election.

     
  • lexacon posted at 7:54 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    lexacon Posts: 80

    One of the main reasons this recall needs to be supported is because of the sneaky, backroom deals that are still trying to be made, just ask the owner of the Fort Ground Grill!

     
  • CaiusCosades posted at 7:41 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    CaiusCosades Posts: 378

    The $40 Million dollar McEuen rebuild plan is total insanity. I don't trust any of these people. I can think of 10 ways we could better spend 40 million dollars in CDA, none of them include tourists.

     
  • Flash Gordon posted at 7:40 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Flash Gordon Posts: 1178

    This is going to be fun. It's not the daunting task that we're led to believe. We only need one of these recall candidates to lose by the required number of votes. The weakest link is Kennedy. Of all the sitting gang of four on the council , he's the most disliked and vulnerable. I say go for the jugular....

     
  • LocalMom posted at 7:34 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    LocalMom Posts: 15


    Since concernedcitizen brought up taxpayer money it made me wonder, who pays for the recall petitions to be checked? Do the tax payers have to pay for this? If the tax payers do have to pay for it, doesn’t' that seem a little hypocritical coming from these self-professed fiscal conservatives?

     
  • justinian posted at 7:24 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    justinian Posts: 318

    "We are not going to let these people take over our town."

    Says the heir to the Meyer Nipp Ironwood / LCDC / Ed Corridor gazillionaires.

    Meyer and her buddy the hieress to the Riggs family government / private / medical gazillions are defending their families "crony capitalism" built empires. And the Press doesn't bother identifying who these people really are.

    Recall. Rinse. Repeat. BTW watch for a resign and appoint game by Her Sandiness if the recall gets hot.

    Just my opinion. Just.

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 6:49 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    Is it illegal for these four to use taxpayer time, money, employee and/or resources to fight this?

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 6:45 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    1. "I think it's huge," said Sara Meyer, who is leading the anti-recall campaign along with Jennifer Drake, on the need to combat the recall movement. "We are not going to let these people take over our town."

    Sara, it is you and the four that have hijacked this town.

    2. "Mayor Sandi Bloem told the crowd at the Fort Ground Grill"

    Of course it was at another stakeholders business that ALSO got greedy and paid to much for his buildings during the boom and wants to use taxpayer money to recoup their losses.

    3. (sandi bloem) "the recall is about the direction the city will go, not just on the downtown park, but on everything."
    "What is going to happen to this community if they get the recall?" she asked, standing in the restaurant in the middle of the improved education corridor, a project that was recently completed after years of planning by multiple stakeholders, including the city. "You're throwing out the entire vision for what we have for the future."

    THEIR vision. Note the wording " for what we have for the future." Not the city residents vision, but WE.

    4. "But the city reduced Phase 1 to the $14 million price by dropping some items in the plan, and said everything else after that could fall into place down the line, if funding, including from grants and donations, became available."

    Their is so much wrong with this article. False information being spread? I don't think so. Really read everything. PHASE 1 $14 million. This does NOT include other phases and/or equal or better replacement of the ball field or launch.

     
  • lola123 posted at 6:34 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    lola123 Posts: 328

    Immortal, how ignorant can you be? This news rag seems to be giving you all the press your misguided band of malcontents could ever want. Every other article is in some way a spotlight on your absurd little cause. Even the poll is slanted your way. It is even helping you propagate your half truths and innacurate statistics. You make up these innuendos and then get the press to print them, and then complain about the people that work hard, run their own business, pay their taxes, while wanting to improve the community while you spend most of the day posting this drivel. Someone needs a life away from the computer.

     
  • Jenny posted at 6:14 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Jenny Posts: 41

    Time to get rid of the unapologetic liberal Kennedy, send him packing to San Francisco where his likeminded people live. These people could care less about the will of the people of this city, just like our federal government. I will sign the petition as many of the Coeur d’ Alene citizens will.

     
  • immortal posted at 4:59 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    immortal Posts: 258

    You can bet your life on the fact that the Cda Resort Press will be doing everything it can, in every way, to thwart this recall effort. If this paper had any ethics at all it would recuse itself from this issue entirely. After this recall effort succeeds the next thing to go should be the LCDC. It's too much a thinly disguised tool of downtown business. Just like those 4 on the Cda city council.

     
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    Thorixexn Posts: 1

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  • AnonymousCda posted at 1:02 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    AnonymousCda Posts: 256

    Allow a park that could be used year around for events, actions by clubs, nonprofits, organizations, and businesses. The Boat launch is no longer needed today.

     
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