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Area legislators hold another town hall meeting

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Posted: Sunday, February 24, 2013 12:00 am

COEUR d'ALENE - Around 200 people packed the Coeur d'Alene Public Library on Saturday to listen to, question, praise and scold North Idaho legislators.

The weekend town hall was held to update the public on what legislators are working on while they're in Boise during the session, but one topic - whether Idaho should adopt a state health insurance exchange - dominated the discussion as lawmakers are on the cusp of doing so.

A state exchange seems likely after 16 GOP freshman pledged their support for the governor's bill to establish one that helped it pass the Senate last week.

Newly-elected Rep. Luke Malek of Coeur d'Alene organized the freshmen support, and explained his reasoning Saturday to a divided crowd.

"It will be a part of our insurance landscape. Period," Malek said of President Barack Obama's Affordable Care Act, commonly known as "Obamacare." "If we do it now, the feds have to pay."

The state could hold off doing anything, he added, but that would be the same as accepting the federal exchange.

Under the new national law, states can choose to set up their own exchanges, which are Internet portals where residents can shop for insurance and access federal subsidies. If the states don't, the federal government will run the exchanges instead.

If Idaho acts quickly and establishes its own exchange, Malek said, the federal government would pay more than $20 million to get it up and running. But that deal expires in about a year. If Idaho wants to establish a state exchange in the future, that money wouldn't be there.

The idea of relying on federal money drew laughs and scoffs from some members in the audience, which was predominantly Republican.

"It's almost unpatriotic, I would think," said Gary Ingram, a former legislator, of accepting federal money for the program. "The government is not one you can trust at this point in time."

Representatives Ron Mendive, Vito Barbieri, and Kathy Sims said they didn't support the state exchange, nor did Sen. Bob Nonini and Sen. Steve Vick.

Barbieri, R-Dalton Gardens, and Nonini, of Post Falls, called the freshmen who supported the state exchange the "gang of 16." Both said a state exchange would be financially costly for the state, and the federal government has to sign off on the exchange, meaning it's a federal program anyway.

"In their hearts they're doing the right thing," Nonini said of state exchange supporters, like Malek and Sen. John Goedde, who was also on hand. "But in their minds they're not."

Some in the audience said the state shouldn't do anything. Not acting would be fighting the federal government. The U.S. Supreme Court determined the health care law is constitutional and Obama was easily re-elected in November, in part because of his success getting the landmark legislation passed.

"This issue is: Are we going to fight for liberty?" Jeff Ward, chair of a local Republican political group, asked the legislators. Or does the state instead plan to succumb to "tyranny," he asked.

The 16 GOP freshmen pledged support of Gov. Butch Otter's bill if their own bill that would require more legislative oversight of the exchange first passes both the House and Senate, according to reports. That portion is scheduled for a House committee hearing Monday.

Mendive, R-Coeur d'Alene, said it's important to fight the federal law.

"It's all about taking away our freedom," he said, which drew applause. "It has nothing to do with health care. Also, on federal money - there's no such thing."

Even the state exchange supporters don't like the health care law, Rep. Ed Morse said, but they are choosing the lesser of two evils. If a state exchange proves unsuccessful, Idaho can always opt to the federal program.

Rob Moser, who lives in Post Falls, handed out signs against the state exchange before the two-hour meeting, which the audience waved at times.

"Can you think of one time where the feds did it better than the state?" Goedde asked as the signs waved.

After the Coeur d'Alene Senator likened the decision to getting run over by a truck or walking along beside it, attendee Sharon Hebert referenced that example to the Holocaust.

"I think that's what the Jews did," she told the legislators.

"They still got to their destination," she added.

Other legislative issues came up, but didn't receive near the attention the state exchange did.

Sims told a story of an older Canadian whom she knew who was told by Canadian doctors there wasn't medical help after the person had a stroke. The Canadian sought another opinion in a private practice, and was treated and is healthy today.

"Yes, the government can make decisions whether you live or die," she said. "And as you get older, that's something you think about."

When John Cross told Malek he could no longer support Malek's political career as a result of the freshman's state exchange stance, Malek said: "I'm honored, honored to have this seat, but I'm not going to sacrifice my principals."

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  • boohoo2U posted at 10:28 pm on Wed, Feb 27, 2013.

    boohoo2U Posts: 406

    sequestration - what it means for Idaho teachers: well not much at all.

    Could Idaho be ahead of the curve?

  • boohoo2U posted at 10:01 pm on Mon, Feb 25, 2013.

    boohoo2U Posts: 406

    Why Not? You believed Fact Check and Snopes. Why not bet your life on Obamacare?
    My 93 year old Veteran friend musta been pulling my leg!
    The neat thang about the Health Care Act is the wonderful benefit of instant healing.
    Take the trip to DC for a tetch from the Master, and all illness and pains will fade away.
    The Supreme American Idol will make it easier come election time with a roadshow.

  • boohoo2U posted at 9:53 pm on Mon, Feb 25, 2013.

    boohoo2U Posts: 406

    How about the best of both worlds - dual perspective: Interject sports and teach them to row. It is low impact, cardiovascular, and the pre-dieter would have immediate access to a refreshing, non-caloric drink that could also cool the fevered brow. After breaking the door hoisting them from the bedroom for the first time in years, and determining the impossibility of leveraging them into an ambulance or on a flatbed, the only other option is to to float them downstream to civilization with the prospect of more Twinkies. Having only one set of oars and only two seats, the prime motivator opts to navigate the difficult rapids ahead. The Pre-Dieter volunteers to pull their weight for once and heaves ho. Amazed, the motivator chants ROW - ROW - ROW. (Radically Obese Whale)

    It does not help to lie to a person in crisis. It does not help to cajole a person dying.
    It is treasonous for leadership to pacify a nation falling.

  • Summer posted at 9:28 pm on Mon, Feb 25, 2013.

    Summer Posts: 7

    I wonder how many of our local legislators have actually read the state health care exchange bill.

    I didn't like how Malek was the only one with a picture on the front page. There were other legislators there besides him. Guess it shows who the CDA Press likes....

  • boohoo2U posted at 8:42 pm on Mon, Feb 25, 2013.

    boohoo2U Posts: 406

    the BOLD is factual! Welcome to dark 'n scary ObamaCare.

  • max power posted at 8:34 pm on Mon, Feb 25, 2013.

    max power Posts: 559

    *** Under Obamacare The Term Obese Becomes Politically Incorrect ***

    Frisco, Calif - Calling somebody obese when they are so overweight that they require a reinforced sofa has been determined to be unhelpful, and the search for an array of kinder gentlier terms is underway.

    "People know they're carrying excess weight," said Rusty Penny, language co-ordinator for the Politically Correct Movement - Offend No-One - . "Labelling them with a medical term that is indicative of health problems and death is not going to motivate them," said Penny.

    Initially a focus group coined the term "Person Obligated to Restrict Calories Consumned due to Excessive Roundness." It was determined to be to long.

    'We've got to be careful," said Penny. "We want to motivate people to lose weight, but not categorize them with an offensive term." Offend No-One has discarded terms such as flabby, corpulent, tubby, portly, bubbly, fatty and plump as also being unhelpful and offensive to the calorically challenged.

    "It turns out," said Penny, "That there are far more offensive terms for being fat than there are for being thin. This shows that excess weight is an area prime for discrimination through language."

    Offend No-One has been looking for a simple phrase that indicates an excess of weight. but yet is affirming, positive and shows the direction that the overly fleshy should take. After several months of committee meetings involving Obama's top libtards and advertising agencies a new term has finally been coined for the portly, pudgy spare-tired fatties amongst us: "PRE-DIETERS"...

  • MixMart posted at 6:19 pm on Mon, Feb 25, 2013.

    MixMart Posts: 1657

    "So; for example, an attorney gathers 4 people that have "pain" after a surgery, they bring a class action suit, combined. IF TORT Reform woudl have been addressed, we could have actually hinestly saved money by reducing frivolous suits."

    You have not described a class action lawsuit. Try again.

  • Why Not posted at 5:37 pm on Mon, Feb 25, 2013.

    Why Not Posts: 5253

    Boohoo2U, rather than cut and paste from a discredited blogger, you could have done your own research and posted something a bit more factual and intelligent, you know. This is a perfect example of why so many people are so uninformed in this country. Because it’s on the Internet or in your email, does not necessarily mean it’s true. That’s not the point of my post though.

    What I want to ask is - what’s the rush Mr. Malek? Who cares about $20M federal dollars if we blindly jump on something and it turns out that it bites everyone in the backside a couple years down the road. Nobody completely understands the ramifications of this ACA boondoggle. Not the state and most certainly not the Federal government understand how the health exchanges will actually work. Waiting to see how it shakes out could save everyone a whole lot of money.

    It’s okay to do the research and plan for a state run exchange, but there is absolutely no reason to launch it this year or possibly even next. We’re stuck with ACA, it’s not the best national healthcare plan and I sincerely doubt it will save us anything. How could it? Insurance companies crafted it and the government didn’t do anything to address cost; e.g. litigation, malpractice insurance, antiquated government reporting or the FDA approval process.

  • JBear posted at 3:15 pm on Mon, Feb 25, 2013.

    JBear Posts: 134

    Maybe you should stop by You could save the time and effort posting this kind of BS.

  • boohoo2U posted at 2:03 pm on Mon, Feb 25, 2013.

    boohoo2U Posts: 406

    "Obama Care" will quickly be seen as an oxymoron for those over 50.
    Look for malpractice to require the physician to only treat people under Obamacare.
    My Naturopath will have to supply me well before the ObamaCleaver falls.

    Obamacare - Age 76 See 58 and 59

    Your hospital Medicare admittance has just changed under Obama Care. You must be admitted by your primary Physician in order for Medicare to pay for it! If you are admitted by an emergency room doctor it is treated as outpatient care where hospital costs are not covered. This is only the tip of the iceberg for Obama Care. Just wait to see what happen in 2013 & 2014!

    Age 76 Today, I went to the Dr. for my monthly B12 shot that I have been getting for a number of years. The nurse came and got me, got out the needle filled and ready to go then looked at the computer and got very quiet and asked if I was prepared to pay for it. I said no that my insurance takes care of it.

    She said, that Medicare had turned it down and went to talk to my Dr. about it. 15 minutes later she came back and said, she was sorry but they had tried every-thing they could but Medicare is beginning to turn many things away for seniors because of the projected Obama Care coming in. She was brushing at tears and said, "Some day they too will get old", I am so very sorry!!

    Please for the sake of many good people. . . informed please .


    At age 76 when you most need it, you are not eligible for cancer treatment

    * see page 272

    What Nancy Pelosi didn't want us to know until after the healthcare bill was passed. Remember she said, "We have to pass the Bill so that we can see what's in it." Well, here it is.

    Obama Care Highlighted by Page Number



    Judge Kithil of Marble Falls, TX - highlighted the most egregious pages of HB3200

    Please read this....... especially the reference to pages 58 & 59

    JUDGE KITHIL wrote:

    Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.

    Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual's bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.

    Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - ACORN).

    Page 203/line 14-15: The tax imposed under this section will not be treated as a tax. (How could anybody in their right mind come up with that?)

    Page 241 and 253: Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of specialty, and the government will set all doctors' fees.

    Page 272. section 1145: Cancer hospital will ration care according to the patient's age.

    Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception.

    Page 425, line 4-12: The government mandates advance-care planning consultations. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an "end-of-life planning" seminar every five years. (Death counseling..)

    Page 429, line 13-25: The government will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.

    HAD ENOUGH???? Judge Kithil then goes on to identify:

    "Finally, it is specifically stated that this bill will not apply to members of Congress.

    Honorable David Kithil of Marble Falls , Texas

  • Screen Name posted at 10:30 am on Mon, Feb 25, 2013.

    Screen Name Posts: 963

    Joe, are you saying that the State imposed tort reform is insufficient? Should there be Federal tort reform? Why would we want the Fed's telling us how to run our Courts? You seem like a guy would does not want the Feds involved in State business. Am I wrong? Perhaps we should have Federal regulations on Realtor licensing.

    I still don't understand what the issue is with a class action suit against a doctor. Wouldn't the damages in a class action suit be limited by the State tort reform statute? If so, what does it matter if there are 10 individual actions or one action with 10 Plaintiffs. In fact, it would probably cost less to defend one class action case than 10 individual cases. Are you against class actions suits?

  • JoeIdaho posted at 9:21 am on Mon, Feb 25, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    I'm no legal expert, but blowbama care and TORT reform have ne relation, as he didn't ADDRESS it in the ACA. Class Action Suits are brought by attorneys representing multiple parties in a suit against any party, including doctors. So; for example, an attorney gathers 4 people that have "pain" after a surgery, they bring a class action suit, combined. IF TORT Reform woudl have been addressed, we could have actually hinestly saved money by reducing frivolous suits.
    Keep in mind, I am FOR having the ability to sue anyone who has done you wrong; I am AGAINST it being an ambulance chasing business. That's what got protected in the ACA, attorneys who base their business on going after Doctors, who have to pay wild insurance premiums in order to support the leeching bloodthirsty ambulance chasers.
    Ask ANY Doctor what their largest expense is; and they'll tell you "liability insurance".
    NONE of that got addressed in obamacare, the attorneys were protected, and NOW the big underwriter will be who?
    The American government will eventually be on the hook for ALL of the frivolous suits. The attorneys cheer; the best source of absolutely free money just got dropped into their laps.

  • Screen Name posted at 8:18 am on Mon, Feb 25, 2013.

    Screen Name Posts: 963

    Joe, you are clearly a legal expert. Can you please tell me how Obamacare and tort refom relate to class action lawsuits?

  • ancientemplar posted at 7:58 am on Mon, Feb 25, 2013.

    ancientemplar Posts: 1283

    No better reason to get the Federal govn't away from Idaho's natural resources and let the citizens manage their own lands and minerals. I think we can do a better job that the-------- from New York and DC. Idaho would be wealthy and self sufficient.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:24 am on Mon, Feb 25, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    mix says:
    "As stated, I made no comment on the substance of the legislation. Reading comprehension and critical thinking are not your strong suits"
    This coming from someone who states that obamacare came from republicans.

    "However, you should be aware that Idaho already has tort reform, as do other states"
    I didn't SAY Idaho hasn't done anything with TORT, I DID say that it wasn't addressed by the law that will work all the way around it. Ever heard of "class action"?

    Work on YOUR comprehension skills before you spout garbage.

    "uneducated people have turned the Republican Party into the "Party of Stupid" as Bobby Jindal said recently. Try to better yourself. It would help"
    Ah, another insult by a communist. Imagine that.
    Facts are facts, your new healthcare system is doomed before we pay trillions into it. NOTHING more than a power grab by government that people like you are for, and behind. Your support of this shows you have a need for critical thinking, go to a zoo, watch some monkeys, you'll learn a lot.

  • boohoo2U posted at 1:59 am on Mon, Feb 25, 2013.

    boohoo2U Posts: 406

    what good is health insurance when your physician fails to treat the cause of the illness? I had insurance, but my doc was too busy to listen to my symptoms and then treat appropriately. I am feeling well today with natural therapies and my HDL was the highest its been since the 90s when first tested.

    What I really need and cannot afford are the lab tests to monitor progress. I can't get those unless I consent to taking a bunch of toxic pills that only treat the symptoms and come with side effects that disrupt other body functions. No problem - they've got pills for the side effects!

    If these health exchanges fail to recognize naturopaths, I refuse to be a patient. This is an insurance boondoggle. Your optimal health is the least of their concerns.

  • MixMart posted at 11:37 pm on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    MixMart Posts: 1657

    "what you CONVENIENTLY FORGET to put in your speil is that the conserrvative "version" of this called for THE most important part, TORT & Malpractice Reform. "

    As stated, I made no comment on the substance of the legislation. Reading comprehension and critical thinking are not your strong suits. However, you should be aware that Idaho already has tort reform, as do other states.

    Low information, uneducated people have turned the Republican Party into the "Party of Stupid" as Bobby Jindal said recently. Try to better yourself. It would help.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 10:05 pm on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Yeah, the "constant whining" about us losing our RIGHTS shouldn't happen, huh flashy? We shoudl all just do as you do; forfeit our RIGHTS because communists SAY we should.
    The rest of the world cheers when boobama talks about removing our right to bear arms, because it would make us, for the first time in our history, as weak as they are. People like you think it's neat, until people like me have to defend your sorry behinds. (As we have since this country was founded).

  • JoeIdaho posted at 10:03 pm on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    None of that counts, Will, MSNBC doesn't report it, neither should anyone else. The ONLY thing that matters is that "it's Congress' fault" and "we're cleaning up after Bush".
    But Brother you forgot the $85 BILLION A MONTH that we give to Banks....(open ended, of course).

  • JoeIdaho posted at 10:01 pm on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    mix, what you CONVENIENTLY FORGET to put in your speil is that the conserrvative "version" of this called for THE most important part, TORT & Malpractice Reform.
    Since blowbama protected HIS kind (attorneys) from any liability, they now have a very literally open hand to do whatever they want to to us, the people.

    Your ongoing narrative is that obamacare was "a republicen idea" and it's just a bunch of garbage.
    Amd I don't need you tel;ling me I shoudl spell better, I LIKE what I WRITE, and you're not my teacher. You get my points just fine, thank you very much.

  • MixMart posted at 8:12 pm on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    MixMart Posts: 1657

    'Dems in the Senate, Congress & the WH voted for this, non repubs did, and now it's a "piece of Republican Legislation".
    YOU WISH it were. "

    My point was this:

    It is, or rather, it used to be:

    It was put together in committee by healthcare lobbyists and legislators from both parties:

    The ACA (universal mandate) was a conservative idea and a main plank in the conservative lobbying effort for twenty years. Those are incontrovertible facts. It didn't become 'socialism' until Obama and the Democrats came out for it. Since I gave no opinion as to the wisdom of the policy I won't address the rest of your splenetic text wall other than to inform you that punctuation, spelling and grammar are your friends. Use them.

  • will-- posted at 7:13 pm on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    will-- Posts: 1200

    Maybe if 0bama was not busy squandering taxpayer dollars on failed green energy companies, he could continue to fund those with pre-existing medical conditions as he had promised under his plan.

    1.Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
    2.SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
    3.Solyndra ($535 million)*
    4.Beacon Power ($43 million)*
    5.Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
    6.SunPower ($1.2 billion)
    7.First Solar ($1.46 billion)
    8.Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
    9.EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
    10.Amonix ($5.9 million)
    11.Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
    12.Abound Solar ($400 million)*
    13.A123 Systems ($279 million)*
    14.Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
    15.Johnson Controls ($299 million)
    16.Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
    17.ECOtality ($126.2 million)
    18.Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
    19.Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
    20.Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
    21.Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
    22.Range Fuels ($80 million)*
    23.Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
    24.Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
    25.Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
    26.GreenVolts ($500,000)
    27.Vestas ($50 million)
    28.LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
    29.Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
    30.Navistar ($39 million)
    31.Satcon ($3 million)*
    32.Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
    33.Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)
    *Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:14 pm on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    THIS is funny:
    "The Affordable Care Act is the most important piece of Republican legislation since the Interstate Highway Act of 1956 or Taft Hartley in 1948. Too bad none of them voted for it"
    OK, so I get it right:
    Dems in the Senate, Congress & the WH voted for this, non repubs did, and now it's a "piece of Republican Legislation".
    YOU WISH it were.
    DeNiles & the rest of us with any common sense knwo what's in store, and none of it is pretty. I do know Doctors who are in a state of pretty much bewilderment; they were already having a hard time paying their was BEFORE the feds took this over, and started just cutting rates that Doctors get paid wholesale.
    Know what "The Affordable Care Act" DIDN'T do?
    It didn't address TORT Reform, or Malpractice Law.
    So; if you're a Doctor, you have the SAME costs of doing business, the attorneys stayed happy, because their pratices went unaffected. But for those Doctors & Nurses, well, they make a lot less, and will deliver more. The insurance companies lost nothing, the only gainers were the Feds, and your clver politicians who just wrapped up for the government's sole & purposeful use, the largest industry LEFT in America, the Medical Profession.
    You dolts wjho wanted this, oh man, WAIT until you see what this wil be like in the near future. Me, I'm going to start paying EVERY Doctor I see in cash or trade. I want them to be paid by ME, not the government. Motivated Doctors giving the best possible, and I guarantee you I'll still have a hard time getting whatever I need, and so will you.

  • Flash Gordon posted at 5:58 pm on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    Flash Gordon Posts: 1647

    John Goedde is an unabashed self interested defender of his own industry as a state legislator and no one on the right questions the "integrity" of that? and then he says "Can you think of one time the feds did it better than the state?" "And after the senator likened the "decision" to getting run over by a truck or walking along beside it" (like what the heck does that mean?) Sharon Hebert references the Jews and holocaust with a very stupid quote about getting to their destination???? That's her comparative analogy? She has absolutely no sense of proportion or just plain "sense".(and that's precisely what's wrong with the far right).

    But the real kicker is this constant whining about liberty and the feds....relating it to the exchange. " Relying on federal money drew laughs and scoffs from the audience"? The state of Idaho receives between 1.50 to 2.00 for every federal tax dollar the federal government receives from Idaho. That was never mentioned at this meeting. We're either a welfare state or we have some very smart federal representatives that play their politics ....both ways, and the public at this meeting is too dumb to understand exactly why our republican representatives play it "both ways"....they are the new "AC/DC:) Bravooooooo

  • DeNiles posted at 3:48 pm on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

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    IMHO........ In the long run Obamacare is going to be a flash in the pan. Soon enough many Obama supporters are gonna get chewed up by premium shock. They will not get better healthcare only more expensive insurance, and long, long, LONG waits for mediocre services. Medications will not be less expensive. The entire Obamacare house of cards will tumble when the details reach the voters pocketbooks.

    So....... we need to worry what will happen when the Dems get hammered at the ballot boxes. How big of a mess will it be? How easy or hard will it be to fix? Can it be fixed? Just pray that you remain reasonably healthy for the next 10 years.

  • MixMart posted at 3:47 pm on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    MixMart Posts: 1657

    The original idea for the Affordable Care Act came from the Heritage Foundation in 1989 and was endorsed by the Cato institute. In the early 90's it was adopted by the Republican party in response to Hillary Clinton's failed health care initiative. Newt Gingrich and Bob Dole both supported it. For years, health care lobbyists spent millions of dollars developing the legislation. Mitt Romney adopted it for Massachusetts, supported by the Heritage Foundation. Legislation for the Affordable Care Act was written by lobbyists from Cigna and Wellpoint with support in committee from Republican congressman.
    The Affordable Care Act is the most important piece of Republican legislation since the Interstate Highway Act of 1956 or Taft Hartley in 1948. Too bad none of them voted for it.

  • will-- posted at 1:54 pm on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    will-- Posts: 1200

    That is absolutely NOT why its running out of money. Insuring the uninsurable was one of the hallmarks of the plan. The reason that the money is running out is because the plan is simply not financially sound, it was destined to failure from the very beginning.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 11:46 am on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    The debacle is going to fail, regardless. It's a monster, for sure, ill-concieved, not even READ by the (dimmocrab morons) who wrote it.
    I think it's comedic how many things the Dems are trying to cover up these days; blowbama says that the ENTIRE government is going to shut down over the sequester that HE came up with; cuz they'd be missing $85 billion over it.
    Joe here, he has the answer.
    Just SKIP ONE PAYMENT to the banks that we make ($85 billion...A MONTH) and you'd have ALL of your sequester money back.
    But you know what; that's not good enough.
    People, you dimmos too; get READY.
    If you're middle class or lower class, you gettin' ready to pay a WHOLE lot more taxes, governemnt needs it, they already soaked the rich, your turn.
    And BY THE WAY, don't get sick....

  • JoeIdaho posted at 11:40 am on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    God, "screen" you call him "president" and I'LL call him "idiot".

  • JoeIdaho posted at 11:38 am on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    You both ASSUME I WANT to.
    IF you aske why the money ir running out, and your a Liberal, it is delusional.
    Case closed.

  • Mahiun posted at 11:32 am on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

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    There is no direct or punitive penalty. There is a "penalty" in the form of unavailability of funds, which would place a much heavier burden on the state to find its own funding source --- and that source would almost certainly end up being Idaho taxpayers.

  • Mary Souza posted at 11:14 am on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    Mary Souza Posts: 813

    And there's no penalty for waiting and not setting up the exchanges right now. Many of the rules for this boondoggle are not even written yet. But once the exchanges are set up, it's almost impossible to undo the process. Just ask Utah. They set up state exchanges and are now sorry they did. They say the regulations are "onerous". Utah is trying to back out of the state exchanges but, because the Feds own them, they have to ask permission. Good luck with that!

  • Mary Souza posted at 11:08 am on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    Mary Souza Posts: 813

    The CATO Institute reports that the minute Idaho sets up a state exchange, the Feds own us; they have complete control. But if Idaho does not set up state exchanges, we can totally block or diminish many important parts of Obamacare's mandates because of the Supreme Court's ruling last year. We can join the 26 other states that are refusing to set up state exchanges.

    The Wall Street Journal had an opinion piece last Thursday comparing Obamacare to the gift of a baby elephant. It said the Feds want to give states a baby elephant and they promise to pay for the hay to feed it for the first two years. But guess what?--that Obamacare elephant is going to grow and grow, and it will bankrupt us all with the need for feed as it gets overwhelmingly big.

    State Senator Goedde, Rep. Malek and Rep. Morse are looking at the money the Feds are waving around now, but they aren't looking at the good of the people down the line. I think they need to remember that ours is a REPRESENTATIVE form of government. They are supposed to represent US, not their own personal preferences.

  • Mahiun posted at 10:49 am on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

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    Joe, if you took the time to read....
    You're assuming he's able to.

  • Screen Name posted at 10:04 am on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    Screen Name Posts: 963

    The President is not MY IDIOT.

    I guess you voted for THE OTHER GUY.

    HIS plan is the same as OBAMA'S:

  • Screen Name posted at 9:58 am on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    Screen Name Posts: 963

    Joe, if you took the time to read the article I linked - the answer to the question is quite clear. My question was rhetorical.

  • Truthful posted at 9:40 am on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    Truthful Posts: 135

    Luke Malek and Ed Morse are members of the "gang of 16" newly elected members to our legislator and are complete failures on issues. They are doing the bidding of the Insurance lobbyists and Butch Otter.
    To form a gang in the legislator instead of listening to their constituents shows they are negligent. The dictionary defines a gang as:

    1. A group of criminals or hoodlums who band together for mutual protection and profit.
    2. A group of adolescents who band together, especially a group of delinquents.

    Luke Malek also voted against Sims bill that would allow a VOTE of the people to approve any new Urban Renewal Projects. He didn't mention why he submitted a bill making it a felony and 25 years mandatory sentence for violence against Health Care workers. Is he creating a new class of citizenship? I thought the Constitution said that all men are created equal. Violence is violence and should be dealt with the same for all people.

    Maybe recall is in order for these two "gang members".

  • JoeIdaho posted at 9:33 am on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    screen name sez:
    "Why is the money running out"?
    Isn't that just one of the most incredibly delusional things a person has EVER said?
    Then again, nancy pelosi says the same thing about our SEVENTEEN TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT.

  • JoeIdaho posted at 9:31 am on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    It's realy incredible to think how many people are for the government MANDATING to individual citizens the level & quality of care they will recieve, people like Mahiun who think that governemnt is SO much better at knowing what you need that they'll HAPPILY deny you services in order to do better "for the common good". Average life expectancy will go down now, for CERTAIN, and you can THANK A LIBERAL when your Dad or Mom is dying in a hospital because there's no "availability of services".

    mister d says:
    "Everyone deserves healthcare in the country"
    "merit, warrant, be entitled to, have a right to, win, rate, earn, justify, be worthy of, have a claim to The young should treat the old with the respect that they deserve".
    So, everyone is now ENTITLED to healthcare, because the word "deserves" is all about MERIT, the ideal that you are OWED by virtue os some accomplishment. BEING a humn isn't "an accomplishment" nor does it make you "worthy" of stealing frm others.

    And "screen name", I know many Doctors who are working now to accept other forms of payment, and 4 that are retiring ealry in order to get out from under this DEBACLE your idiot created.

  • milburnschmidt posted at 9:30 am on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    milburnschmidt Posts: 1160

    If its possible to throw out politics and personalities of the debate then the average consummer has no idea what the future of this program will bring. Its safe to say it was ill thought out with many rosy and false assumptions. So far Government guesstimates as usual are not meeting expectations. A unbiased look at whats happening leads a independent mind to see here is a lot of juggling going on and the results will fall in years to come. No doubt many healthcare providers are abandoning private practice and joing large medical groups or hospitals. Its not unreasonable to assume in years to come nurse practioners and physiocians assts will play a larger role in Dr visits. Having had bad expiriences with P.As I am leery of trading a Dr for them. They are only as good as the Dr overseeing them and that was not good enough in our case. Thank Goodness being on medicare with a medicare advantage backup plan I dont have to try to keep up with the changing system which changes dailey. No doubt Medicare will see changes or be affected but as many we will have to go with the flow and adjust until the country decides government is not the answer. Those who have always paid will continue to and those who coast on the backs of others will continue to also.

  • Mahiun posted at 9:20 am on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    Mahiun Posts: 5588

    It's disconcerting and disheartening to see the number of people who apparently believe they can just stick their fingers in their ears, hum "La la la laaaaaaaa" really loud, and choose to have no exchange at all.

    That's not an option. "No exchange" is not on the table. There will be an exchange or one kind or another. The choice is really very simple: who do you want setting this up and running it for Idahoans --- Boise or Washington?

  • Screen Name posted at 9:03 am on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    Screen Name Posts: 963

    Why is the money running out? Read here:

  • Captain Obvious posted at 8:57 am on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    Captain Obvious Posts: 1

    Malek contradicted himself at the town hall yesterday. At one point he said that he was not there to protect the people, the people need to stand on their own. Then later, while trying to defend his seat after John Cross told him he wouldn't support his career any longer, he stated that he is here to protect the people. Malek talks out of the only thing he truly protects.

  • will-- posted at 8:27 am on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    will-- Posts: 1200

    The risky scheme called 0bamacare is already crumbling under it's own weight.

    "A large number of Americans who have been refused health insurance because of preexisting medical conditions received bad news Friday from the Obama administration.

    Tens of thousands will be blocked from a program designed to help them because money is running out, the Washington Post reports."

  • mister d posted at 8:15 am on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    mister d Posts: 1531

    Bring it on. Everyone deserves healthcare in the country and it is a shame so many ultra conservatives transplants have moved here and made this state a laughing stock. Oh for the good old days of Andrus when this stat had real leadership.

  • The Simple Truth posted at 8:14 am on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    The Simple Truth Posts: 563

    leave it to the teabillies to fight against healthcare for everyone - "we'll all go down together"....hecku'va credo there, you lackwits

  • Candor posted at 8:06 am on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    Candor Posts: 35

    There was no "healthy debate." 97% of the people in the room vocally opposed the state exchange. Three legislators who are doing the Governor's staff and Big Insurance's bidding, along with three Democrat attendees, supported implementing Obamacare in Idaho and 199 adamantly opposed. I suspect there will be a similar makeup of the Republican primary electorate in 2014 which will summarily show the Obamacare implementers the door.

  • pubcrawler posted at 7:00 am on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    pubcrawler Posts: 85

    We're already paying for other people's healthcare in ER losses and higher prices for health care, banking costs, and inflation in the costs of goods and services fueled by health care driven bankruptcies. Health care costs are the primary cause of bankruptcies in the U.S., and they don't just harm the doctors and hospitals. If state governments had been attentive to the health care crisis the federal government wouldn't have ever been involved. But state governments largely lack the budgets and expertise to address those types of issues. Wailing about a state based health insurance exchange can make a local politician a hero to some, but it ignores the factual state of the law and is also the fast track to giving up state control of the exchange.

  • Screen Name posted at 6:52 am on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    Screen Name Posts: 963

    Joe you said: "There are MANY doctors opting out of healthcare altogether now..."

    Do you have VERIFICATION for that statement?

  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:22 am on Sun, Feb 24, 2013.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Florida doesn't have enough doctors for Medicaid expansion, lobby group says

    The beginning of the end....te government has taken over your relatioonship with your doctor, soon, if you have a lot of money, you'll get good healthcare by paying your doctor on the side, if you're like 99% of us; you'll get whatever OBLOWMA says you should, and nothing more, because YOU have to pay for OTHER PEOPLE's insurance. Florida, below, is now short of Doctors, and so will all the rest of the states. There are MANY doctors opting out of healthcare altogether now, just wait, this is gonna get a LOT worse:

    TALLAHASSEE Brace yourself for longer lines at the doctor's office.

    Whether you're employed and insured, elderly and on Medicare, or poor and covered by Medicaid, the Florida Medical Association says there's a growing shortage of doctors — especially specialists — available to provide you with medical care.

    And if the Florida Legislature goes along with Gov. Rick Scott's recommendation to offer Medicaid coverage to an additional 1 million Floridians — part of the Affordable Care Act that takes effect next January — the FMA says that shortage will only get worse.

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