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Hart stumps for Ron Paul

Says candidate is only one who knows economics

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Posted: Friday, October 28, 2011 12:00 am

HAYDEN - Ron Paul's North Idaho supporters in the 2008 presidential election have regrouped for 2012. Now calling themselves "North Idaho Patriots for Ron Paul 2012," they have been meeting regularly for the past few months.

A scheduled gathering Thursday evening at the Donut House in Hayden attracted 40 people. An age-diverse group turned out to hear guest speaker Idaho State Rep. Phil Hart.

Bjorn Handeen's baby daughter giggled and bounced on her father's lap as Hart spoke.

"Many of the Ron Paulers from the last election have now been elected themselves, or joined other grassroots efforts," said Handeen, now a precinct committeeman in Coeur d'Alene's "Borah Triangle." "We need to cultivate a new group of activists."

Things have changed since they first began grassroots campaigning for Paul in North Idaho, Handeen said.

"Now, we're pretty integrated into the Republican party," he said.

Hart told the group that Paul is the only candidate who understands economics and realizes that the nation's Federal Reserve system no longer works, that it is creating debt and driving the nation toward a financial meltdown.

"If you follow the money for every one of the candidates, it will lead back to that Federal Reserve control, if you will," Hart said. "There is only one candidate that stands outside of that paradigm, and that's Ron Paul."

Hart talked about why he disagrees with some of the main objections to Paul's viability as a presidential candidate.

Regarding claims that Paul is "not good on foreign policy," Hart said Paul receives more campaign donations than any other candidate from members of the military, people Hart said understand best what's going on outside the United States.

Some object to Paul's candidacy, Hart said, because, "He's not presidential." Hart said he recently heard someone say that Mitt Romney was a good candidate because he's got "presidential hair." People need to look beyond outward appearances when considering leadership qualities, Hart said.

"Is the walk the same as the talk?" he asked.

Paul's rhetoric lines up with his actions, Hart said, and Paul consistently follows "Constitutional criteria."

He compared Paul to Thomas Jefferson, who Hart said was not an adept public speaker, but known for his writing. If Jefferson was alive today, Paul would be a better candidate, Hart said, because Paul is a prolific writer, an intellectual and an accomplished speaker.

"Thank you for being here. Thank you for being Ron Paul supporters. We've got a lot of work to do. We've got a lot of work to restore the Republic, but you know it can be done. The Founding Fathers did it," Hart said.

Jim Hollingsworth, organizer of the unofficial campaign group, urged those who attended to steer clear of "beating down" naysayers who don't really know Ron Paul.

"Stick to the positives," Hollingsworth said.

Matt Gross, owner of the Donut House on Government way, said his personal political leanings had no bearing on his decision to open the store to the group. The Paul supporters asked him if they could meet there and he agreed.

"I'm not necessarily for Ron Paul only, but I am ultra-conservative. I stick to my guns," Gross said. "But No. 1, it's always good to have people in your store."

He said he would consider allowing other groups to use the space, Democrats included.

The North Idaho Patriots for Ron Paul 2012 plan to meet again Nov. 10 at the Donut House at 6:30 p.m. Idaho State Rep. Vito Barbieri is the scheduled speaker.

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  • Michael Alexander posted at 11:18 am on Tue, Nov 1, 2011.

    Michael Alexander Posts: 93

    Ron Paul and Phil Hart are true Patriots! Any one that takes an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, should obey that, as Paul and Hart do. This Country was founded on the ideas that these two men are trying to protect. To any one who does not agree with either of these men and the ideas of our Founding Fathers, should move to a country you find more fitting to your lifestyle. The Federal Government needs to quit trying to control every thing and let us be Free!

    Give me liberty or give me death

  • Nicotinegun posted at 9:47 am on Mon, Oct 31, 2011.

    Nicotinegun Posts: 1367

    Why Not do you realize that Ron Paul wants to shut the Fed Down? Doubt you will find a money trail there, Brain Child.

    Ron Paul is calling for common sense action. I know it's difficult for some of you Libby baby's who can't live without the teet of government but for those of us with full brain function and the ability to live on our own WE DON'T LIKE THE GOVERNMENT TELLING US WHAT, WHERE, WHEN, AND HOW TO LIVE. Again, I know its a difficult concept for those of you that need a nanny.

  • Why Not posted at 5:57 am on Sat, Oct 29, 2011.

    Why Not Posts: 5018

    @yarply – the issue was Libya not Obama. No interest loans is a view subscribed to by Islamic banking and your assumption is incorrect. The new government has said that they will implement Islamic banking, not the previous. Gaddafi did modernize water dist, electricity is free and roadways are modern. Benefit for the people or to run the oil industry? Likely good for oil and good for his friends, but as we witnessed most were not his friends. Your assumptions about education and fabulous gifts are way overstated Yarply. There are two classes in Libya. Friends of the Gaddafi and not friends; most Libyans were not. With respect to Lockerbie, the evidence of his responsibility was about as clear as a drone strike in Waziristan.

  • milburnschmidt posted at 8:47 pm on Fri, Oct 28, 2011.

    milburnschmidt Posts: 1160

    Its good our congress is made up of opinions from the far right to the far left. Mr Paul fits in there comfortably some of his ideas while simplistic sound good some are rants that will never happen. If Mr pauls ego tells him to run for a 3rd party candidacy it will probably bleed off enough votes to give us 4 more years of Obama since to many of our recent elections were decided by razor thin margins. He certainly speaks to the anger and frustration many of us feel with a ever increasing intrusive Govt but like our present President he is not a uniter or healer and we would have more years of partisan grid lock bankrupting our country. I do agree with him its time for our troops to come home and quit looking for conflicts to get into. If anyone attacks us by proxy we turn off their electricity as is over due in Iran
    Yarpley sounds like the propaganda minister for Ghadaffi. Obvious he did well for his tribe so you have to wonder why the rest of the tibes in the country fought so hard to get rid of him. Perhaps yarply can explain why all that generosity was treated with a revolution. Im sure once you got away from his hometown the generosity level dropped.

  • northhayden posted at 6:55 pm on Fri, Oct 28, 2011.

    northhayden Posts: 3

    Ron Paul speaks the truth, the last thing he needs is a timber thief speaking for him.

  • yarply posted at 3:30 pm on Fri, Oct 28, 2011.

    yarply Posts: 495

    Almost Why Not.
    You could and can apply everything you said about gaddafi and say it about almost any president this country has had in the last 40 years.
    In fact Obama has authorized more death in almost three years than gaddafi has in forty. You say he authorized a shot down jet... Prove it. No one else has.
    Like I said say what you will about Gaddafi but under his rule
    there was no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.
    There was no interest on loans, banks in Libya were state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at zero percent interest by law.
    Having a home considered a human right in Libya.
    All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 dinar (U.S.$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.
    Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25 percent of Libyans were literate. Today, the figure is 83 percent.
    Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kickstart their farms are all for free.
    If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need, the government funds them to go abroad, for it is not only paid for, but they get a U.S.$2,300/month for accommodation and car allowance.
    If a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidizes 50 percent of the price.
    The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.
    Libya has no external debt and its reserves amounting to $150 billion are now frozen globally.
    If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession, as if he or she is employed, until employment is found.
    A portion of every Libyan oil sale is credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
    A mother who gives birth to a child receive U.S.$5,000.
    40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $0.15.
    25 percent of Libyans have a university degree.
    Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Manmade River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.

  • truthful1 posted at 12:26 pm on Fri, Oct 28, 2011.

    truthful1 Posts: 554

    Motto: "Losers for losers."

  • Why Not posted at 12:07 pm on Fri, Oct 28, 2011.

    Why Not Posts: 5018

    The US tolerated a nut case dictator who authorized the downing of a US airliner on 21 December 1988 killing 259 soles, most were American. Yarply do the math, 2011-1988 = 23, and prior to that he authorized the killing of numerous other Americans, Kenyan's, Brits and God knows who else. He was an evil dictator, good riddance. BTW, prove it that the US authorized killing him?

    Nothing makes us the world’s police force and we shouldn’t be, but we are always trying to be because we feel morally obligated I guess. After thousands of years living in a so called civilized world we still act like monkeys. If you let your guard down someone else will claim your banana, or big screen television.

  • yarply posted at 11:03 am on Fri, Oct 28, 2011.

    yarply Posts: 495

    Dropped a word below, should have read; and many voluntarily died for him at the end.

  • yarply posted at 10:47 am on Fri, Oct 28, 2011.

    yarply Posts: 495

    Sorry, There is no mandate by the people or the constitution for the US military to be the worlds "protector",, and if we are going to play that role and other countries of the world go along, then they should pay for that protection.
    What makes the US government, aka the powers that be,, think that it is Morally in any position to be the worlds "police" force is ludicrous.

    The US just backed and supported the overthrow of a sovereign nation and the murder of its leader by thugs. A leader which had been an ally of The US and Britain for over 40 years.
    Say what they may about Gaddafi now, Libya was a cesspit till he took power and the Majority of the people supported, loved and voluntarily died for him at the end. The population did not rise up and help over throw a "tyrant", they rose up in support of him.
    Thats why it took so long for NATO, the US and a coalition of Nations with their combined firepower supporting the "rebels" so long to overthrow the country. People need to open their eyes.
    We need to get out of other peoples and countries affairs when we can't even take care of our own.

    I don't quote Jesus very often but a quote of his comes to mind because it applies to individual people,
    and nations as a whole.
    Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why behold you the mote that is in your brother's eye, but consider not the beam that is in your own eye? Or how will you say to your brother, Let me pull out the mote out of your eye; and, behold, a beam is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of your own eye; and then shall you see clearly to cast the mote out of your brother's eye.

    All that being said'
    I'm voting for Ron Paul. My2cents, I think he is qualified for the job but even if he wasn't I believe he is HONEST and loves this country. I have never heard from him that double talk which is so prevalent now days. I have never caught him in a false or misleading statement. I like, that he has been saying the same thing for 20 years though he has been ridiculed and shunned by his "peers" for what he said.

    That says he has integrity.
    And now he has been proven right. Now the other candidates are using his message like its their own and Ron still gets shut out of mainstream media. But his support is growing as people come to realize that honesty and integrity still matter. That in most ways that it is ALL that matters when choosing a person for public office.

  • Why Not posted at 9:43 am on Fri, Oct 28, 2011.

    Why Not Posts: 5018

    @ Local Res... No and that's not what I am saying, but that's what Paul would like to do. As for the military. Personally I hate wars but there are times when our mighty force which is the worlds protector must fight. What I said was "we don't allow them to fight". We can't win a war because our governement seems unwilling to do what is needed to win. Ask any military officer that question. The last war we won was Granada for God sake.

  • Fattire posted at 9:40 am on Fri, Oct 28, 2011.

    Fattire Posts: 1

    That's some real analytical thinking. Don't listen to Paul because someone you don't like supports him. Try thinking for yourself. If you get down to the facts, any argument against the Paul plan almost always lacks logic. But if you are for big government and more massive, careless spending, you definitely want Obama/Romney.

  • local res posted at 9:32 am on Fri, Oct 28, 2011.

    local res Posts: 1165

    Why not ask yourself this question. Would the world be a better place if all our foreign aid was to stop. If all our military bases around the world were closed and we did not respond every time either NATO or the UN asked for help. In other words we just became the sleeping giant again and just focused on stuff within our own borders? Just like pre- WWI.

  • rollingthunder posted at 7:37 am on Fri, Oct 28, 2011.

    rollingthunder Posts: 371

    If I had any support for Ron Paul it just went away, Birds of a feather flock together and if Phil Hart supports Ron Paul there is no way I would support him. Hart needs to go away.

  • Why Not posted at 6:00 am on Fri, Oct 28, 2011.

    Why Not Posts: 5018

    Hart told the group that Paul is the only candidate who understands economics and realizes that the nation's Federal Reserve System no longer works, that it is creating debt and driving the nation toward a financial meltdown. Curious, Phil Hart who can’t even do his own taxes makes a judgment call on Ron Paul’s financial ability. Hey Fill, have you considered globalization, consumerism and the credit binge caused when Congress repealed Glass Steagall?

    If you follow the money for every one of the candidates, it will lead back to that Federal Reserve control? Seriously Fill, when did the Fed Res contribute to Congressional candidate? That might actually solve the problem of special interest groups commandeering our government. When was the last time you received a hand written note from your Congress person without first sending a Big Check?

    On the military, Hart said they understand best what's going on outside the United States. Oh Please Fill, the US military can’t even close the deal because we don’t let it. They are great at war and humanitarian missions, but understand what is going on outside this country? What about China and the South China Sea? Let’s attack now! Now there’s a winning strategy, eh Fill?

    Fill America is not the center of the universe. It’s a partner and has taken its finger off the pulse of global commerce. Circling the wagons and shielding the country from the rest of the world as Ron Paul advocates does not work. Have you paid your taxes yet?

  • squirrel nutkin posted at 5:10 am on Fri, Oct 28, 2011.

    squirrel nutkin Posts: 231

    The assumption therefore is that Ron Paul, as is Hart, is one who thinks he shouldn't have to follow the law, pay his taxes, support his community's needs, yada, yada? Who woulda thought. It seems that only in Athol do people support those who think everyone else should pay their freight. I guess no one in Athol drives on the roads, gets a social security check, or lets Medicare/Medicaid pay their medical bills. Pretty hard to have anything but disdain for those of that ilk.

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