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Posted: Saturday, July 28, 2012 5:00 am

I take offense to what Doug Strong wrote. I will have my 36th anniversary in business next month.

In August 1976, I went to Associates Finance, not a government company, and borrowed $500 to buy my original equipment. At the time, I was supporting my family with a full time job and running my business part time. As the business grew, I quit my full-time job on June 13, 1978, and from that time on have run the business.

I never had a government loan or government help in my business. My best year ever was in 2008. Then, President Obama was sworn in and the downward spiral for many businesses in the United States started. My business did slow down, but not enough to cause severe financial distress. I did see some of my customers go out of business and many other small businesses in Coeur d’Alene close.

Mr. Obama has never had a real job and does not have any idea what it takes to run a business. He was born in Hawaii and raised in Indonesia where he attended a Muslim Madrasah at the age of 6. “Train up a child in the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it.” (Proverbs 22:6) He has surrounded himself with radical people like William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn who escaped justice after being linked to so many anti-American crimes, explosions and, allegedly, this heinous murder of Sergeant McConnell. The racist preacher, “reverend” Wright was Barack Obama’s pastor for 20 years. Communists like Van Jones and Valarie Jarret advised the president. Anita Dunn, who worships Mao Tse Tung who killed 60 million people in the Chinese Revolution, was the administration communications director. There are many more friends and advisers with questionable backrounds.

“If you got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen,” Obama said. “If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.” That statement is not true for the business owners I know. I received advanced training in my job by going great distances to classes and paying for the hotel, the meals and the cost of the classes. The government didn’t give me a dime.

It is a shame that many in the United States now live in a “my name is Jimmy and I will take all you can gimmy.” If people don’t like this country the way the Founding Fathers meant it to be, they should go to Europe. They have socialism and over-extended union benefits. Look where it got them.

It is individuals who work hard, not freeloaders, that make this country successful. If the government would get out of the way, this country would again be on the road to prosperity. If the current policies continue, we will be the new Third World country.

Dave Boerner is a Coeur d’Alene resident.

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  • The Golden Mean posted at 10:19 am on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "... you get all of your news from FOX news, and complain about it"

    You have no way of knowing where I get my news unless I tell you (which I did in part a few comments ago).

    I gotta tell you Joe, I find this news rivalry thing kinda amusing... My news can beat up your news!

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:43 am on Tue, Jul 31, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    So, GM, you get all of your news from FOX news, and complain about it.
    P R O G R E S S. (from a liberal perspective)

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 6:42 am on Tue, Jul 31, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Mahiun says:
    "Fox News is so often, and so provably, demonstrably, verifiably wrong"
    So, verify where they are "wrong", Mahiun. Evidently they're not too wrong, as it would have come out LONG ago. Just BS on your part....as usual...

    "The others at least I>try to get it right, and at least START with facts"
    Is that so? Maybe like ABC telling us that the murderer in Colorado had "Tea Party connections"?
    Oh yeah, then he apologized, he was "just trying to get it right".

    "They don't always succeed, but the big difference is that Fox News really doesn't care whether it's true or not, as long as it gets an audience and gets them riled up against "them gold urn LIB-rulls"
    IF FOX News was wrong all the time, as you say, they would not only be challenged but they would be sued. You're wrong, this is the fact of the matter.
    The FACT is that FOX is THE leading network on TV, period, and you think that it's becaise they're the National Enquirer of news just because they don't espouse your gay marriage support. (Few of us do).
    Keep them glasses on Boy, and keep thinking that Conservatives are all dumb. See ya at the election.

    "The others are much more open and upfront about what is opinion and what is news"
    Got it.
    "Open" means that IF a murder is comitted, it's fine to steroetype the person as a "Teabagger". That's fair & balanced, right? And it must be all "news" and no "opinion", too.

    "If they offer opinion, they (by and large) don't try to convince you that it's overactive news"
    Like Chris Matthews, all news guy, huh?What rubbish.

    "They tell you right rom the get-go that what you're about to see/hear is editorial opinion --- it may be based on fact, but it takes off from there"
    "editorial opinion"????
    Got it.
    That MUST explain all of the networks (ABC< CNN< CBS & ABC) CHEERING for bohbama when he was running for pres.Iit was just "the news".

    "Even the one Fauxnewsians love to hate, Rachel Maddow, at least starts with verifiable documented fact, before offering her own take on it"
    Does that include when she states that a member of Congress had advance knowledge of a mass murder? And then apologizes for it?
    Oh yes, this is a verifiable documented fact. (a "liberal fact") which has no basis in reality.

    Wanna see? Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/10/21/rachel-maddow-apologizes-for-editing-error-mocks-those-who-kept-her-honest/#ixzz22CulzWNY

    "She even goes so far as to ask guest speakers (from both sides of the political spectrum) and interview subjects if she got anything wrong in her intro material, before they go on to the interview"
    What garbage. BS, mahiun, and you know it.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 11:27 pm on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "Kettle, meet black"

    GM Kettle... Meet Joe Black (wasn't that a movie?).

    Truth is, I don't watch much ABC, etc news. I prefer to yell at the TV while watching the Faux News, it's like one of those bizarre reality shows, You know, where the folks on the show strut around like they're "all that" while the reasonable people watching at home go "OMG" whenever one of the stars begins to rant and rave.

    Faux News is kinda like the Jersey Shore but staring Conservatives instead.

     
  • Mahiun posted at 9:19 pm on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    Mahiun Posts: 4965

    So; this being the case, how in the world do you justify saying that fox is all wrong, and the rest of the (incredibly biased ones) are all ok?
    They're not "all okay". But they come a whole lot closer to it than Fox News, because:
    [*] Fox News is so often, and so provably, demonstrably, verifiably wrong.
    [*] The others at least I>try to get it right, and at least START with facts. They don't always succeed, but the big difference is that Fox News really doesn't care whether it's true or not, as long as it gets an audience and gets them riled up against "them gold urn LIB-rulls".
    [*] The others are much more open and upfront about what is opinion and what is news. If they offer opinion, they (by and large) don't try to convince you that it's overactive news. They tell you right rom the get-go that what you're about to see/hear is editorial opinion --- it may be based on fact, but it takes off from there. Even the one Fauxnewsians love to hate, Rachel Maddow, at least starts with verifiable documented fact, before offering her own take on it. She even goes so far as to ask guest speakers (from both sides of the political spectrum) and interview subjects if she got anything wrong in her intro material, before they go on to the interview.

    So that's how and why....

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 7:28 pm on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Got it, GM.
    Yuo have NOTHING to say about the Commuinist News Netowrks (ABC, CBS, NBC & CNN) but ALWAYS have something to say about fox.
    Kettle, meet black.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 1:18 pm on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "... how in the world do you justify saying that fox is all wrong, and the rest of the (incredibly biased ones) are all ok?"

    I don't recall saying that any news source was fair and balanced. I enjoy bashing the Faux News because so many folks seem to blindly accept what they say as fact. My hope is that a few of the Faux News Zombies will get mad at what a say, do their own research and try to prove me wrong.

    And if I'm wrong (doesn't happen often around here), I'll do my best to embrace the new truth.

    Personally, I enjoy the news on the Investor's Business Daily, MSN Money and Rolling Stone websites.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 12:26 pm on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    No doubt fox is biased, BUT, GM, the REST of the networks are also biased, all in the SAME direction. (Left)
    So; this being the case, how in the world do you justify saying that fox is all wrong, and the rest of the (incredibly biased ones) are all ok?

    Drudge is actually honest news.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 10:49 am on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    Joe, I never checked it out until just now. I was however familiar with Andrew Breitbart and was shocked to learn that he had died.

    Reporters create "stories" about situations based upon what they are told and/or hear - Mostly, news is not complete fact and is subject to change as new information comes in. Certain news organizations (Faux) seem to update stories only if the new information is suitable for its target demographic.

    Therefore, "Faux Propaganda" is a more fitting name.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 7:32 am on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    I wonder, GM, if Drudge Report is something you'd call "Fair & Balanced"?

    Or; do you consider MSNBC honest news?

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 10:20 pm on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "The majority of small business owners in America are Conservative, and DO watch FOX News over MSNBC, CNN or any others, by a mile"

    I'm a small business owner and I watch a lot of the Faux News. You know, keep your friends close but keep your enemies even closer.

    Don't you find it somewhat bizarre to proclaim oneself as being fair and balanced while deliberately single sourcing information?

     
  • max power posted at 8:00 pm on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.

    max power Posts: 559

    *** Her Business Failed! Octomom Files For Bankruptcy ***

    La Habra, California - Nadya Suleman/Octomom has stated that she is 1 million in debt and that her house is in foreclosure and that she owes more than $74,000 in back taxes. My business failed! Borrowing a line from President Obama she stated, "I didn't make that happen, somebody else made that happen." Although she admits that she probably had a bad business plan, and lacked a solid work ethic, she ultimately blames there not being enough roadway arteries leading directly to her business. Parroting Rachel Maddow of MSNBC, her favorite news"MAN", she said,"Every business needs roads, and without them you are doomed to fail!"

    We recently got Ms.Suleman to sit down in her home in La Habra with Tapioca Swizzle of Tattle Tale Tonight to discuss her financial situation. Suleman revealed that she has decided to do something that she vowed she would never do. "You're getting your fallopian tubes tied," asked Miss Swizzle.

    "No silly girl" came the reply. "I have decided that if I'm going to get out of debt and my horrible financial situation and that I'm going to have to make a porn movie. Although there was talk about this several years ago I have decided that now is the time.

    Ms. Suleman/Octomom also revealed during the interview that she has prohibited her older children from jumping the neighbors fence to steal vegetables so they can have a proper meal. She noted that all 14 kids are tired of eating marshmallows for breakfast and Cap'n Crunch breakfast cereal for dinner. Suleman pointed out that she has restricted all 14 kids from watching television, so that they do not have to see all the great things that America's kids get to eat, like Hamburger Helper, Bush's Griilin Beans, Cheetos, Big Mac's, Stove Top Stuffing, Gummy Worms, and Jose Ole Chicken Taquitos.

    Miss Swizzle asked Suleman to talk about the movie she will be making. After a few swigs from her papaya margarita she remarked that the film is being produced by the Left Coast Playtime Film Company in association with Gladiator Motion Picture Studios.

    She said that the movie will be directed by Palermo, Italy's Vilandro Gorianzanni and that talks are taking place with retired NBA great Shaquille O'Neal to be the leading man. "I star as a West Hollywood Pole Dancer who moonlights as an Attorney and Heart Surgeon," she quipped. She giggled as she stated that her character is named Cheyenne Cake and that the Movie is titled, "Snow White Meets Chocolate Thunder", and will have it's premier at the Roman Candle 36 Theater Complex in Cucamonga, California on August 31st.

    Ms. Suleman revealed to Miss Swizzle that she stands to make $800,000 plus 15% of the sales from the Cheyenne Cake Action Figure Doll. Coming, soon of course, to a store near you...

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 5:33 pm on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Mahiun, you prove my point in every sentence.
    I WANT you to show me ANYWHERE where any of the other networks beat out FOX (News).
    Nope, you can't do it.
    But somehow, in your weird logic, business owners prefer to watch other channels....Hmmm....

    I tell you that I & many LIKE ME succeeded w/ no government help, and you resort to "viagra" jokes...(guess you ran out of substance, like your jokes?)

    So, on roads, if you drive on one, you OWE the government, and ALL businesses OWE the government and are LUCKY that they are allowed to drive on these roads...(that they PAY for).

    On telecom, you said that we "owe the government" for the "sparsely poopultaed areas getting telecom". And I told you, correctly, that you're wrong. Not all rural homes have phones now, Mahiun, why not?

    And then your rant on transportation:
    "Ah, so you just tell your guys to drive right on past the weigh stations, huh?"
    Yep, that's right, Mahiun. If it weren;t for trucks, all of your way station idiots wouldn't have jobs, so THANK GOD for the government way stations. Without them all trucks would crash.

    "Don't bother stopping there or letting them inspect anything, because trucks have NOTHING to do with 'the government."
    Just another example of how you know NOTHING about regulation. Ask any trucker about "way stations", then yuo'll learn.
    Then again, you don't want to KNOW about personal experiences, only government doctrine.

    "Yeah, none of those airplane pilots have to meet any kind of certification requirements or comply with FAA regulations, do they?"
    I've been a Pilot since the early 80's, Mahiun, and the government has done nothign for me, as a pilot, since. Course, you know better than a 30+ year pilot does, right?

    "Yeah, trucks and trains and planes wouldn't have anything at all to do with.....oh, I dunno......say, the same interstate commerce that the constitution explicitly says is Congress's domain, would they?!!"

    I BET you work for the government in some capacity, huh Mahiun?

    You denigrate my education with your 12 "years of being in business" when I've been working for me for well over 30. Education is everything, huh Mahiun?
    THIS attitude is what will eventually run dimmos out of every public office.

    You have this moronic idea that anything accomplished as a group is "socialist". Let me tell you what socislist is; from a POLITICAL perspective, which is THE perspective I speak about to folks liek you who don't have any clue:

    "A socialist economic system would consist of an organisation of production to directly satisfy economic demands and human needs, so that goods and services would be produced directly for use instead of for private profit driven by the accumulation of capital, and accounting would be based on physical quantities, a common physical magnitude, or a direct measure of labour-time.[5][6] Distribution of output would be based on the principle of individual contribution"

    This is YOUR goal, along with GM's, and the rest fo the communists. You want to REDISTRIBUTE wealth, you see capitalism as bad, you denigrate business owners and classify people by their percieved wealth.
    Socialists/Democrats are by far the most racist, anti-American people on the planet. They join together with others from any country in order to consistently denigrate America & her ideals.

    This fall, in November, Bobama will fail in his reelection Bid. When he does, common sense will prevauil again, and Romney & the Republicans will slow down the entitlement society that you & the rest of the Dimmos are so fond of. When this happens, folks like you will incite rioting, and eventually it'll turn into a civil war. It'll be between the productive members of society, and those of you thathave decided that you are "owed" by the rest of society. Folks like Mahiun have been teaching people for a long time now that government is their salvation, at the expense of those who can "afford it".


     
  • Mahiun posted at 4:13 pm on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.

    Mahiun Posts: 4965

    Oh, Joey.... It seems I owe you a debt of gratitude --- I haven't had such a good belly laugh in a loooooong time! You're consistent, Joe, I'll give you that. Consistently wrong, but consistent, nonetheless....

    The majority of small business owners in America are Conservative, and DO watch FOX News over MSNBC, CNN or any others, by a mile.
    And you know all of this, and can demonstrate and prove all of this, because.....??! What we do know, because it has been researched and measured, is that Fox News viewers are the least informed of any group surveyed, and are even less aware of factual information than those people who watch no news at all. (Pew Research Study) So who's the best informed? Listeners of National Public Radio. (Same study)

    Didn't stop you from calling huim a liar though, did it?
    Well, apparently, it did, since I never called him a liar. I pointed out that he's contradicting himself by claiming that he's a self-made success who never received any help, and then starting off by telling us he received help in the form of a loan.

    Nobama AND your insinuation that "no one succeeds without help" is just flat out garbage.
    Tell yourself whatever you need to, Joey. Tell yourself whatever you need to. Maybe the Viagra will work next time....

    ...all roads were built for businesses. Regular drivers don't use them, and government, in it's total effort to help business, made the roads for business. How stupid.
    Doesn't matter, Joey. The motivation doesn't matter --- it doesn't change who built that road, who maintains it, and who owns it.

    Now you're in MY world, Telecom.
    Really??! Hey, bro, me too!! :-)

    The idea that government bought & installed telephone lines is complete falsehood.
    That's why I didn't say it! What I said was that many rural and sparsely populated areas would never have had telephone service at all, if the government had not mandated it --- because there just weren't/aren't enough people there to justify the infrastructure costs, if you're going strictly on a "for-profit" model. Places like Morongo Valley, CA, where they still have no cable TV, because it's not required by law, and they have only the most basic telephone service imaginable -- just enough to meet government requirements. Morongo Valley, CA is not all that different from places like Bonners Ferry, ID --- not enough population density to make investing in telephone infrastructure worthwhile, if the government didn't insist on it.

    "If your building was structurally safe, had running water and a flush toilet, you had government help" How in the WORLD do you come up with this?
    You've never heard of building codes??! Oh, wait, I forgot who I was dealing with -- never mind....

    The trucks, trains & planes are run PROFITABLY, and have NOTHING to do with "the government".
    Ah, so you just tell your guys to drive right on past the weigh stations, huh? "Don't bother stopping there or letting them inspect anything, because trucks have NOTHING to do with 'the government." Yeah, none of those airplane pilots have to meet any kind of certification requirements or comply with FAA regulations, do they? Why would they; they have NOTHING to do with 'the government'. Yeah, trucks and trains and planes wouldn't have anything at all to do with.....oh, I dunno......say, the same interstate commerce that the constitution explicitly says is Congress's domain, would they?!!

    So, unless someone has "enough of a basic education", the probably "can't perfomr their job duties" and "government" is where that came from, right? I WONDER about the home schooled kids?
    Yeah, that's pretty much it.... At minimum, you have to be able to read, understand spoken language, write, and perform simple math, to do nearly any job. And the odds are that more than 90% of the people he's interviewed and/or hired were the products of public education. As for the home-schooled kids, what about 'em? Home schools still have to meet educational standards set by.....wait for it.......the government.

    My 8th grade education...
    That explains a lot, actually....!

    I'm SO THANKFUL that the government was SO KIND to give it to me.
    Good --- you should be! But the government didn't "give" it to you, the rest of us did. We all chipped in, by paying our taxes, to help give you that education. (Of course, if we'd known what you were going to do with it, we might have reconsidered....) The government simply owns and operates those public schools --- socialism in its purest form.

    Teaching at the college leve is NOWHERE near teaching kids in grade school. Get over it.
    I've done both, and teaching at the college level is actually amazingly similar, in many respects, to teaching kids in grade school. Get over it.

    But that wasn't the point, Joey. The point is that, if Obama should have nothing to do with business and should refrain from having any input whatsoever because he's not a businessman, then Mr. Boerner should at least be consistent and refrain from having any say in academia --- at any grade level! --- because he has never been a teacher. Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander....

    He's just lucky to be there at all.
    Yes, he is --- because without customers, he wouldn't be! His customers don't from the government (where do you get this stuff??!), but neither do they come from the "Customer Tree" that Mr. Business Owner planted from a seed packet, either. They don't have to buy from him; he is, in a very real sense, dependent on them.

    The REASON that customers come to ANY business is for a better deal...
    Ah, so those customers choose to go there, and could go somewhere else if they chose to? So in other words, Mr. Business Owner had better treat them right, give them a good deal, and acknowledge --- in words, good prices, or both --- that he depends on and relies on his customers for his business to survive, let alone thrive. Sounds a lot like a "debt of gratitude....

    You are wrong, and a communist.
    And probably a poopy-pants and a doody-head with cooties, too, huh??! Grow up, Joey. Grow up.

    Yours is suspect, as you have NO experience in the real world of business, mahiun.
    And you know this, because...... ??? Fact is, Joey, I've been in business for myself for more than 12 years, now.

    No, because there is public school does NOT depict "socialism".
    So, I was right: you really don't have a clue what "socialism" actually means. Who owns the schools, Joey? Who operates the schools?

    "If you live in a city with a police force or fire department, you have socialism"
    Nope. Again wrong.

    Who owns the police force, Joey? Who runs it? How about the fire department --- who owns and operates that?

    "If you've ever used electricity that came from Grand Coulee Dam or Bonneville Dam (and you have!), you've had socialism"
    Nope, again wrong.

    Who owns the dams, Joey?

    "If you've ever had a glass of water from the kitchen tap at home, you've had socialism"
    Thank GOD the government drilled my well & bought me a pump for it...oops! They didn't.
    Must be a socialist well, anyways.

    Who gave the permit to drill, Joey?

    "If you've ever traveled a city street, state or federal highway, or interstate freeway, you've had socialism" Sure, cuz everything's socialist. (In a mahiun dreamworld)
    Who owns the streets, Joey? Who built them? Who maintains them?

    I fought against it [socialism] militarily on your behalf for a long time, Mahiun. I suppose you know better than I do; huh?
    Apparently. But hey, you said it, I didn't....

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 2:06 pm on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.

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    And then, mahiun, you ATTEMPT to show us how unemployment is a bad deal, how folks on unemployment don't want to be there, again, a line of utter trash.

    You FORGOT to mention all of the odd jobs that they do, under the table, for cash.
    Oh, really, that doesn't count?

    BET it does in a SOCIALIST world.....

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 2:04 pm on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    GM, you said:
    "The average Faux News viewer has no idea how to run a government agency... or any business"
    Buddy, you couldn't have gotten that MORE wrong if you tried.
    The majority of small business owners in America are Conservative, and DO watch FOX News over MSNBC, CNN or any others, by a mile.

    And mahiun, as usual, you make up things as you go along...examples:
    (A) You initiate this premise that Boerner told a lie about getting help when he didn't. He said he didn't get "government help" and this is true. He went to a private lender, for a loan of $500.00.
    Didn't stop you from calling huim a liar though, did it?

    Then; you said:
    "Mr. Boerner, President Obama did not say that no one succeeds without government help (although that, too, is almost universally true, if one scratches the surface). His point was that no one succeeds alone, and you have just validated that point"
    What a crock.
    Nobama AND your insinuation that "no one succeeds without help" is just flat out garbage. That's your socialistic urges coming to the forefront, always telling us how we "must" need help to "get anything done".
    BUNK.


    This is what Mahiun describes as "government help" when it comes to starting a business:
    "a public road to deliver your products or service"
    Sure, Mahiun, all roads were built for businesses. Regular drivers don't use them, and government, in it's total effort to help business, made the roads for business.
    How stupid.

    "If you or your customers used a telephone, you had government help (most areas of NIdaho wouldn't even have telephone service if the gov't didn't require it; there wasn't enough of a population base to make it worthwhile as a business investment)"
    Now you're in MY world, Telecom.
    Once again, speaking from your behind, too.
    Central Offices were installed as a PROFITABLE venture by AT&T & The Bell Comapnies with NO help/subsidies from government agencies, anywhere. The idea that government bought & installed telephone lines is complete falsehood.

    "If your building was structurally safe, had running water and a flush toilet, you had government help"
    How in the WORLD do you come up with this? (Oh yeah, youre a Liberal).
    The building is built by PRIVATE contractors for property OWNERS who risked THEIR money. Then, government comes along, makes a billion rules & regulations, and you thank GOVERNMENT for the building.
    Again, ignorance run amock.

    "If a police car ever drove down your street, just to make sure things were looking okay, normal, and safe, you had government help"
    Actually, the police forces aren;t what make businesses successful. (I knew that'd blow your mind).

    "If the goods you needed in order to run your business were shipped by truck, train, or airplane, you had government help"
    The trucks, trains & planes are run PROFITABLY, and have NOTHING to do with "the government".

    "If the people you hired had enough of a basic education to be able to perform their job duties, you had government help"
    So, unless someone has "enough of a basic education", the probably "can't perfomr their job duties" and "government" is where that came from, right? I WONDER about the home schooled kids?

    "If you had enough eduction to be able to start a business in the first place, you had government help"
    My 8th grade education, well, I'm SO THANKFUL that the government was SO KIND to give it to me...again, how stupid.

    Mr. Obama has never had a real job....
    "What is a "real" job? "Professor of Law" doesn't count?!"
    No; it does NOT COUNT. It is NOT a for profit job, and he never saw one in his life.

    "Well, by that measure, you've never taught school at either the primary, secondary, or university levels"
    Teaching at the college leve is NOWHERE near teaching kids in grade school. Get over it.

    "Therefore, you are utterly unqualified to have anything to do with teacher salaries, working conditions, or contract negotiations and should simply leave, with absolutely no say in the matter"
    That's right, blowbama is utterly unqualified to run this country. 100%.

    "See how it works? He who lives by the "real job", dies by the "real job"
    And boobhama's had no real jobs. In his life.

    “If you got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen,” Obama said. That statement is not true for the business owners I know.
    That's right, blooobama thinks, like mahiun, that all business comes from government.

    "How on Earth do these businesses manage to survive with no customers, suppliers, delivery mechanisms, utilities, or transport??!"
    YOU, mahiun, think that ALL comes from government. The rest of us in the real world know better.


    " Seems to me that it's the customers who build the business"
    That's your communist way of thinking:
    The People Grow the business, not the bad, lowly business owner who took the risk of starting the business. He's just lucky to be there at all.

    "and the owner(s) has/have a great deal of (mostly unacknowledged) debt of gratitude to a great many people along the way --- which was President Obama's point, all along"
    (A) You are wrong, and (B) obummer is an imbecile.
    Business owners of ALL types do not owe any "debt of gratitude" to any customers. The REASON that customers come to ANY business is for a better deal; PERIOD. Bobooomies point is the same as yours, namely that we all owe all we have & do to government. You are wrong, and a communist.


    "With all due respect, Mr. Boerner, your opinion what "the Founding Fathers meant it to be" is no more "genuine" or "valid" or "definitive" than anyone else's opinion on the matter. Get over yourself"
    Yes, Boerners opinion is correct, 100%. Yours is suspect, as you have NO experience in the real world of business, mahiun.

    "If you attended public school, you had socialism"
    Back to this garbage again.
    No, because there is public school does NOT depict "socialism". Only in your wide stretched dreams.

    "If you live in a city with a police force or fire department, you have socialism"
    Nope. Again wrong.

    "If you've ever used electricity that came from Grand Coulee Dam or Bonneville Dam (and you have!), you've had socialism"
    Nope, again wrong.

    " If you've ever flown in an airplane, you've had socialism"
    Nope, profitable enterprise.

    "If you've ever had a glass of water from the kitchen tap at home, you've had socialism"
    Thank GOD the government drilled my well & bought me a pump for it...oops! They didn't.
    Must be a socialist well, anyways.

    "If you've ever traveled a city street, state or federal highway, or interstate freeway, you've had socialism"
    Sure, cuz everything's socialist. (In a mahiun dreamworld)

    "You don't really know what "socialism" is or means, do you"?
    Now THAT is funny.

    " You just know that it's some........vague, horrible, unimaginably awful bogeyman that's worse than death itself ---- for reasons you can't really define"
    I fought against it militarily on your behalf for a long time, Mahiun. I suppose you know better than I do; huh?

    Does ANYONE wonder if liberals are bent on making America socialist and removing all forms of crating wealth?
    Mahiun is proof of this FACT.

     
  • Mahiun posted at 12:20 pm on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.

    Mahiun Posts: 4965

    If one can make more on unemployment or welfare, why would they want to work?

    Well, for starters, because this is a fallacy --- this idea of "striking it rich" by simply loafing around, on unemployment.

    Let's take Colorado --- one of the most typical states when it comes to unemployment payments -- as an example. The maximum benefit is roughly $916, every two weeks.

    But......that is taxed. So you actually take home only about $1374 (give or take) per month. In an average month of 22 workdays, 8 hours a day, that works out to an hourly wage of $7.81 --- which still sounds higher than minimum wage, even if only just barely.

    Keep in mind, though, that this is the MAXIMUM benefit, and in order to get this, you have to have been earning pretty good wages or salary beforehand, before losing your job. So no, there is absolutely no way this is going to represent more than you were earning by working.

    And the vast majority of unemployment recipients are not going to get anywhere near this much. Their payments will be somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 this amount --- for an effective hourly rate of somewhere between $2.00 and $3.00 an hour.

    Finally, add in the fact that unemployment payments are capped, both by time and by amount. You can only receive so much, maximum, and you can only receive it for so long --- whichever comes first, the capped amount or the capped duration. It's not a way of life, it's a very temporary subsistence-level payment --- exactly what it was intended to be.

    So that would be one incentive right there: you are simply not going to make more money on unemployment than you did by working. Another incentive: even in this economy, having a job is potentially more long-term and secure than the very limited time you can spend on unemployment.

    Final incentive: the dignity of work. Simply having something to do, to plan around, to give meaning and purpose and worth to your life and your sense of self. More than most societies, American society tends to define each person by what s/he dos or a living. It's a pretty huge incentive to have that identity....

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 12:02 pm on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "... you always support bigger government, Seen you do it over & over"

    That's false sir. I support a government that's the size it needs to be to do the job. The right amount of firefighters, the right amount of police, the right amount of people running programs for our senior citizens, the right amount of people working at the Small Business Administration, etc, etc, etc..

    I do not support most of those who call for smaller government because they really don't know that much about what they are talking about. The average Faux News viewer has no idea how to run a government agency... or any business. Sure, they'll say that all we need to do is reduce government waste but most of what is called government waste is actually the redistribution of tax revenues back into the private sector... why is that a bad thing? Government Waste = Some capitalist made a very profitable deal with the government...

    Isn't that the name of the game?

    Consequently our friend the capitalist will send a lot of the so called government waste back to the government (taxes), create jobs (more tax revenues) and buy toys (create jobs & even more tax revenues).

    I doubt if anybody really understands the true economic implications of "smaller government"

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 11:33 am on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    If you watched the opening ceremonies for the Olympics, the skit, if you will, showed for simple country life through the industrial revolution and beyond. There were a handful of businessmen guiding while hundreds actually DID the work.

    This has become the problem in America. The top keeps gaining while the bottom keeps losing. The higher wages one pays the more taxes the employee pays. The more taxes the employee pays the less government needs to ask from the top.

    So lets look at it from another direction. If one can make more on unemployment or welfare, why would they want to work?

     
  • concernedcitizen posted at 11:15 am on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    I am not a liberal NOR do I support bigger government, so, let me say that I feel Obama was taken completely out of context when he said “If you got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen,”

    I would like to say that I do NOT see Mr H cleaning rooms at the hotel, serving meals, serving drinks, cleaning the lobby, washing the windows, etc. and I Highly doubt Henry Ford installed transmissions, engines, fenders, doors, windows, etc. on the Model A.

    When the Queen bee dies does the hive die? NO. The workers get a new Queen.

    Even as a sole proprietor, business depends on YOU to do the work.

     
  • Mahiun posted at 11:03 am on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.

    Mahiun Posts: 4965

    Dave Boerner
    In August 1976, I went to Associates Finance, not a government company, and borrowed $500 to buy my original equipment.
    So in other words, in the first sentence of the second paragraph of your LTE, you tell us that you DID indeed have help establishing your business and making it a success. Someone has to agree to give you that initial loan, or none of the rest of it would have happened.

    Mr. Boerner, President Obama did not say that no one succeeds without government help (although that, too, is almost universally true, if one scratches the surface). His point was that no one succeeds alone, and you have just validated that point.

    I never had...government help in my business.
    Yes, you did. If you used a public road to deliver your products or services, you had government help. If your customers used a public road to get to you, you had government help. If you or your customers used a telephone, you had government help (most areas of NIdaho wouldn't even have telephone service if the gov't didn't require it; there wasn't enough of a population base to make it worthwhile as a business investment). If your building was structurally safe, had running water and a flush toilet, you had government help. If a police car ever drove down your street, just to make sure things were looking okay, normal, and safe, you had government help. If the goods you needed in order to run your business were shipped by truck, train, or airplane, you had government help. If the people you hired had enough of a basic education to be able to perform their job duties, you had government help. If you had enough eduction to be able to start a business in the first place, you had government help. And so on and so on and so on....

    Mr. Obama has never had a real job....
    What is a "real" job? "Professor of Law" doesn't count?! Well, by that measure, you've never taught school at either the primary, secondary, or university levels. Therefore, you are utterly unqualified to have anything to do with teacher salaries, working conditions, or contract negotiations and should simply leave, with absolutely no say in the matter.

    See how it works? He who lives by the "real job", dies by the "real job"....

    “If you got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen,” Obama said. That statement is not true for the business owners I know.
    Really??! How on Earth do these businesses manage to survive with no customers, suppliers, delivery mechanisms, utilities, or transport??! Seems to me that it's the customers who build the business, and the owner(s) has/have a great deal of (mostly unacknowledged) debt of gratitude to a great many people along the way --- which was President Obama's point, all along.

    I received advanced training in my job by going great distances to classes and paying for the hotel, the meals and the cost of the classes.
    And how did you get to those classes??! How did you know your mode of travel was safe? How did you know the hotel you stayed in wouldn't suddenly collapse for no reason, because it had been so poorly built? How did you know the food you ate on these travels would be safe? How was it even possible for there to be electricity in the classroom? How did you know the trainers were even able to read? Where did they learn that skill? Where did you learn that skill??!

    ...this country the way the Founding Fathers meant it to be...
    With all due respect, Mr. Boerner, your opinion what "the Founding Fathers meant it to be" is no more "genuine" or "valid" or "definitive" than anyone else's opinion on the matter. Get over yourself.

    They have socialism....
    So do you. If you attended public school, you had socialism. If you live in a city with a police force or fire department, you have socialism. If you live in a county with a sheriff's department (and you do!), you have socialism. If you've ever used electricity that came from Grand Coulee Dam or Bonneville Dam (and you have!), you've had socialism. If you've ever flown in an airplane, you've had socialism. If you've ever had a glass of water from the kitchen tap at home, you've had socialism. If you've ever traveled a city street, state or federal highway, or interstate freeway, you've had socialism.

    You don't really know what "socialism" is or means, do you? You just know that it's some........vague, horrible, unimaginably awful bogeyman that's worse than death itself ---- for reasons you can't really define.

    And just so you know, Ayn Rand received both Social Security and Medicare.....

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 9:50 am on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    "excalamation", you are wrong about all you said.

    Benwah County has the LEAST restrictive code in North Idaho, and MOST of the peopel coming here are concerned about property rights, as where they come from their property rights have been eroded. Not a "stretch" just the truth.

    And TYPICAL of a liberal, when you can't make YOUR point (because you have none) you resort to denigrating another Man's efforts because his company is "too small" or employs "not enough people".
    How ingenius.
    And tell us more; oh clever one.
    HOW does the government "assist a company that makes a product"? Oh, really, all of those companies left & went overseas? Oh, really? Mostly BECAUSE of governmental intrusions into their daily business affairs? Hmmm.....
    And then.....government has been "protecting intelectual rights" have they?
    Pray tell; how good of a job have they done, in this "global economy"? I mean, I KNOW there's no PIRACY going on...
    What a JOKE.

    YOU want UNcle Sam to "watch your back", and that's because YOU are weak. I don't need him "watching my back" as he's NEVER been any help to me in the 35 years I've owned businesses.
    You wouldn't know what that feels like, now would you?

     
  • exclamation posted at 11:48 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    exclamation Posts: 56

    Hahahahaha benewah county most desirable places joe I don't know how much pot you smoke but, I highly doubt your claims people might be building summer homes but, year long residents is a strech. As for government not being good for business well mr. lock and key perhaps not for such an outstanding job creator as your self by the way how employees that are not family members do you employ? I mean you a man in such a unexpendable trade, Ill bet the intire city would come to a halt if you went out of business. You see the point Im getting at is you are a locksmith in a small town in "BFE" , I honesty can't see how the government could effect you unless they put a tax on reseting tumblers or a per car unlock tax or some thing. But what I can see the government assisting in a company that makes a product, or how about protecting intellectual properties granted there not doing all that well but, if they weren't there at all imagine the rampant acts of piracy. I could go on for hour on some of the very important and might I say under appreciated things the government dose for businesses. I don't want uncle Sam in my back yard but I don't mind him watching my back

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 9:42 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    GM, you always support bigger government, Seen you do it over & over.

    You believe like you say, that "government needs to play a role", and I ask you; WHY?
    BEFORE there was zoning, some things in SOME places weren't good, businesses next to houses, etc, BUT you know what? People STILL got along. They STILL built houses, businesses, the works, and things didn't "get destroyed".

    Benwah County, Idaho, is THE perfect example. It is the least restrictive county in North Idaho, has less building codes & ordinances than anywhere else, and by that FACT is one of the most desireable areas to move to for people coming here from other states.

    On your "balancing act" argument, you couldn't be more wrong. Socialism was NEVER a part of the founding Father's premises, and you can't show me anywhere in the Constitution anythign whatsoever that indicates that it is governments' responsibility to care directly for each citizens' well being. The government is there to protect your RIGHT to pursue Freedom & Happiness, but NOT to protecte you or provide FOR you in any way.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 6:05 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "Your answer is that government should be directly in the middle of all things"

    Let's file that one under "Wrong Again Joe"

    I do however believe that government plays an important role in shaping a society that values the common good over scorched earth capitalism. Things we take for granted like the zoning rules that prevent your next door neighbor from turning his house into a 24 hour liquor store for example.

    Remember, my point was that "Laissez-faire capitalism has never existed in America. We have been, and will always be, a balancing act between capitalism and socialism."

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 5:30 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    And teacher, I can see how you would need to have a socialist to protect your income, stolen from me, too.

    GM....you know better.
    "Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson and John Quincy Adams all considered government a positive instrument in promoting economic development" and you forgot "as long as Government understood it's LIMITED role". Your answer is that government should be directly in the middle of all things; that governmt, as you state: "should be considered a POSITIVE INSTRUMENT in promoting economic development".

    Now, let's be REAL:
    Alexander Hamilton led the Whiskey Rebellion against Washington over UNFAIR TAXATION.
    Thomas Jefferson's views on Government's role:
    "A proper government, for Jefferson, is one that not only prohibits individuals in society from infringing on the liberty of other individuals, but also restrains itself from diminishing individual liberty. Jefferson and contemporaries like James Madison were well aware of the possibility of tyranny from the majority and held this perspective in their implication of individual rights"
    On Adams, you speak of Quincy, whose beliefs echo those of his Father, John. Quincy was NOT a founding Father, John was.
    What you totally miss is that when you speak of a mercantile philosophy, it was all about trade; with other NATIONS. The government, in thiose days, woudl have NEVER thought of attempting to saddle Liberty with it's rules the way they do now, the way you espouse.

     
  • max power posted at 5:21 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    max power Posts: 559

    *** JoeIdaho And Dave Boerner Are Right On Time And Right On Point ***

    (This is not John F Kennedy's Democrat Party)

    * Radical progressives laid the groundwork for Obama's fundamental transformation of America

    * Self described "Socialist" Bernie Sanders found the progressive (Democratic) Caucus in 1991

    * The progressive caucus closely associated itself with the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)

    * The Democratic Socialists of America is the heir to the defunct Socialist Party of America

    * One of the goals of DSA is to achieve the means of production

    * First reported in 1998, the DSA "helped organize" the Congressional Progressive Caucus

    * Until November 2002, their website was hosted by the DSA

    * The DSA scrubbed their website of "COMMUNIST MATERIAL" after being exposed by the media

    * The website displayed a song list that included: "The Internationale," the worldwide anthem of communism and socialism "Red Revolution" and "Are You Sleeping Bourgeoisie?"

    * The DSA outlined their plans to control government with a Democratic Party coalition

    * DSA admits they're anti-corporate, seek to redistribute income and expand social programs

    * DSA also calls for breaking down of American style notions of Nationalism & Sovereignty

    * Democratic Socialists openly sought Unionists, Illegal Aliens, Environmentalists, Gays, Feminists, "People of Color", fellow Socialists, and under achievers

    * The DSA has become the largest Marxist Organization in the USA

    * By Oct 2009, the DSA Newsletter reported 70 Congressional Democrat members

    * The DSA also claimed at the time that 11 socialists sit on the House Judiciary Committee

    * It was the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) that endorsed Barack Obama (D-IL) for State Senate in 2000

    "A list of factual Googleable statements" -- Jack Hammer

     
  • jmowreader posted at 5:10 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    jmowreader Posts: 1219

    JoeIdaho, this country has gone through 47 recessions, depressions, panics, crashes, whatever you want to call business cycle contractions such as the one we're trying to get out of. Thirty-three of them happened in the era of small government that predated 1933. The difference between then and now is in the old days, we got out of recessions by stepping up our exports. We can't do that anymore, which is one of the biggest reasons this recession is hanging in as well as it is.

    Also, the best 20 years in the economy of this nation were from 1945 to 1965--right after World War II, when fulfilling the promises in the GI Bill of Rights, construction of the Interstate Highway System and serous government-funded research (most of it focused on turning the Soviet Union into a sheet of glass before they did it to us, but that's another issue) dumped so much tax money into the civilian economy, it had no choice but to go into overdrive.

    Now, I'm certain Mr. Boerner never took depreciation on any of his equipment, employed a person who was educated in the public schools, transported the supplies he uses in his business or the goods he makes on the public roads, called the police to pick up any trespassers, or used the Bonneville Power Administration-produced electricity we all rely on up here to power his lights because...well, he is an Independent Businessman and he never accepted any government help.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 2:03 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "How does being born in Hawaii erase one's chances of knowing how to run a business"? How does being a community organizer qualify you to lead America?"

    Come on Joe, try to stay focused. How does that affect the previous statement... "How does being born in Hawaii erase one's chances of knowing how to run a business?"


    "Prior to that we were PURELY a Capitalist society..."

    The correct answer is no we were not. The doctrine of laissez-faire was scarcely known to the framers of the Constitution; the merchant and financial classes espoused a mercantilist philosophy while they used the powers of the central government to improve their own status.

    Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson and John Quincy Adams all considered government a positive instrument in promoting economic development.

     
  • teacher2 posted at 1:47 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    teacher2 Posts: 17

    I learned a long time ago not to argue with ignorance, especially when one chooses to be ignorant. There are so much information taken out of context for this letter to be written that one can't even begin to clarify it. It's a lost cause, this guy is holier than thou and has always done everything on his own, no help from anyone. I think they call it a "God complex" I can see why he would vote Romney.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 12:27 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    And Max, I likes your style. Very nice.
    Joseph (P) Idaho, Sr.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 12:26 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    GM, we're gonna get going now,,,

    "How does being born in Hawaii erase one's chances of knowing how to run a business"?
    How does being a community organizer qualify you to lead America? Oh? You're Black? And America will vote for you BECAUSE of your race INSTEAD of your qualifications? Hmmm.....
    That's a bizarre situation.

    "Laissez-faire capitalism has never existed in America. We have been, and will always be, a balancing act between capitalism and socialism"
    God, what a REACH, GM.
    America came into socialism in the 1930's, under Roosevelt. Prior to that we were PURELY a Capitalist society, and a rich one at that.


    Boobahmad said:
    “If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life"

    He's dead wrong. I had no "great teacher" that taught me how to be; I dropped out of school in 8th grade; never went to college, never took a PENNY of government money, either.

    Then GM said:
    "I agree with the President. I owe a lot of what I have to the folks who took the time to share their knowledge and wisdom with me"
    Good for you, GM, but it's not that way for many of the rest of us.

    "When I opened my business on Government Way a dozen years ago, we benefited greatly from the word of mouth advertising which we were so fortunate to receive"
    POwer to you; WHAT does that have to do with the government?

    "Today, much of my success is directly proportional to the output and professional success of those who work for me"
    Again, where is the government in all of this?

    Sounds to me that you just want to somehow say that bobamahad is right....?
    Ummm....yes.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 12:19 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    Mister d (C) "Communist" states:
    "All businesses use federsal help in some manner or another, it just might not be a direct line"
    WRONG.
    The Federal Government has NEVER paid any compamny that owned one red cent. Telling me that I "use federal help" is just absolute flat out garbage.

    " Idaho government sems to always want federal money even though they complain about the federal government, sounds like this business owner also"
    Another big wrongo.
    Businesses in Idaho pull far fewer dollars from the feds than any other state per capita, we have less on welfare, and have fewer federal programs.

    " It would be interesting if all business owners lost their tax write offs and benefits - then you would see complaining"
    What woudl be interesting would be if the small business owners in America stopped doing business at all; then you'd have your panacea. A perfect world, EVRYTHING provided by government.
    See, dolts like you think that businesses "get over" becuase they have "writeoffs". (A) you don't comprehend what this means and (B) you're a loser who never owned a business ot begin with.

    "I'm sure this business owner gets plenty of benefits from the federal government, more than he has directly invested"
    If you're so sure, NAME THEM.
    Oh?
    You can't?
    MUST be a liberal.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 11:31 am on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    “If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life"

    I agree with the President. I owe a lot of what I have to the folks who took the time to share their knowledge and wisdom with me. When I opened my business on Government Way a dozen years ago, we benefited greatly from the word of mouth advertising which we were so fortunate to receive.

    Today, much of my success is directly proportional to the output and professional success of those who work for me.

     
  • The Golden Mean posted at 11:13 am on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    The Golden Mean Posts: 4213

    "Mr. Obama has never had a real job and does not have any idea what it takes to run a business. He was born in Hawaii"

    How does being born in Hawaii erase one's chances of knowing how to run a business? That's a bizarre suggestion.

    Laissez-faire capitalism has never existed in America. We have been, and will always be, a balancing act between capitalism and socialism.

     
  • max power posted at 9:45 am on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    max power Posts: 559

    *** Note To All Useless Worthless & Weak Libtards ***

    Yes, I'm talking to you would"be", wanna"be", never gonna"be" freeloading losers. Careful, don't get stung by all the bees!

    This economy is going nowhere until Clueless Comrade Obama, President Zero, Doctor Downgrade, Dear Leader of Foodstamp Nation, The Barackalypse, The Obamageddon, The Debt Man Walking, The Re-Distributor In Chief and the living embodiment of the "Empty Suit" is relegated to the ash heap of history.

    America has had her Marxist President -- and her Marxist economics lesson -- and she's had enough! It no longer matters what Clueless Comrade Obama says or what the slobbering fawning lame stream "knee-pad" media say either. The Independent voters have seen how this Socialist operates and they have seen enough. Look for the Independent voters to finish what they started in the 2010 mid-term elections...

    "If once you forfeit the confidence of your fellow citizens, you can never regain their respect and esteem." -- Abraham Lincoln

    "Your freedom to be a libtard includes my freedom to be free of you." -- Jack Hammer

     
  • will-- posted at 9:40 am on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    will-- Posts: 923

    Great letter.

    I see there's a new Troll on the block.

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 9:33 am on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    add...................I am full of typos this morning. My spelling isn't so great anyway. Forgive.

     
  • Joseph Jr posted at 9:33 am on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    Joseph Jr Posts: 512

    DAVE BOERNER,

    Truly, couldn't have said it better. Post the name of your business.

    I can only ad, we are 15 TRILLION DOLLARS in debt to China. We were 6 TRILLION in debt 3 1/2 years ago when Bush left office. 911 took place on Bush's watch, and was planned during Clinton's watch.

    Joseph Jr

    P.S. I don't like or respect Romney either. He was born with a silver spoon hanging out of his mouth. Obama's grandmother was the vice president of a bank in Honolulu. She began her career as a teller and worked her way up the ladder.

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 8:57 am on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    LMYCDA Posts: 1843

    You have been reported.

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 8:54 am on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    LMYCDA Posts: 1843

    @Publius...why don't I deserve good service, because I don't agree with you or this Boerner fellow? So is what you are saying I don't have the same rights as you and Boerner? That I don't have the same right to freedom of speech? To call me a drone and that I am on the government dole? Retired after working 48 years. Yes am on SS. Paid into it for over 48 years and will be applying to Medicare when the time comes. Are you on the government dole? Your comments are offensive and uncalled for.

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 8:48 am on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    LMYCDA Posts: 1843

    Does anyone know what DeNiles is talking about? He rattles on and on about nothing that is true. Is DeNiles really Boerner? DeNiles has alot of time to voice his constant FAUX NEWS rhetoric.

     
  • mister d posted at 8:47 am on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    mister d Posts: 1531

    All businesses use federsal help in some manner or another, it just might not be a direct line. Idaho government sems to always want federal money even though they complain about the federal government, sounds like this business owner also. It would be interesting if all business owners lost their tax write offs and benefits - then you would see complaining. I'm sure this business owner gets plenty of benefits from the federal government, more than he has directly invested.

     
  • DeNiles posted at 8:18 am on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    Understand that Obama does not like what many understand as America, the country. Certainly Obama likes Americans and thinks he understands how best to help them. He has promised them hope and change and enough people accepted his earnest promise to elect him President. And now they understand better which Americans Obama likes, and which ones Obama feels need to be corralled and ridden.

    But there is a clearer way to understand the whole Obama idealistic federal gov't concept and the goals he is aiming to achieve. Examine other countries and look for those which seem to best fit Obama-ism.

    The best fit? Cuba. It is not because Cuba is communist. There are many communist countries but Cuba is honestly most Obama-ready. I mean it has the social support systems in place. It has good medical and reasonably good education infrastructures set to go. It employs that autocratic centralized command ladder Obama applies more and more as President. Cuba's gov't is accountable to nobody obviously an Obama preference. Cuba controls all news media, no FOX to worry about there.

    So look at it this way. There is less for Obama to change about Cuba to reach his personal idealistic goals than there is here in the Unitied States. Cuba is Obama-ripe, all set up in material structure, gov't systems and leadership style. If allowed the leadership role in Cuba Obama would thrive in the position. But here, in America Obama is that quintessential square peg in the round hole. He is anti capitalism for individuals. He is pro gov't control of both business (through strict regulation and punishing taxation) and monetary flow so that the gov't is allowed to fulfill a nanny state role.

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 8:10 am on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    LMYCDA Posts: 1843

    @NoName...just had your office re-keyed........hmmmmmm how convenient.

     
  • JoeIdaho posted at 8:06 am on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    JoeIdaho Posts: 2841

    I will be using Mr Boerner's Business from now on.
    I ALSO have never taken a pennt of government money, and the rest of you communist trolls should be ashamed of supporting such an outright moron as blobama.
    WE enterpreneurs are what DRIVES this country, not the roads that get built with the tax dollars WE generate. It's just idiocy to think that boobama thinks that business owners owe a portion of their business to the government because they "didn't build their business alone".
    TELL ME, Morons, will the government give my small business a hand up if it's failing?
    HUH? NO???

    BUT your hero, the peenultimate idiot in office, he'll bail out the bankers now, won't he?

    Mr Boerner, don't worry about these trolls that are spewing sewer, few of them are even IN Idaho; most of them are holdovers from spokane, hucklidiots. Us in THIS Stae, we'll support your business, absolutely.

    Liberals/blobama supporters=naive dolts.

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 7:16 am on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    LMYCDA Posts: 1843

    First it is LM"Y"CDA. I always know I am going to get slammed by the repubs in this town. @ NoName...it is Count"r"y Lock and Key and they do a super job and don't whine and cry like Boerner.

    Well said voxpop. Repubs only know how to whine and cry about the government, but always have their hands open for help from the government they hate so much.

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 6:52 am on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    LMYCDA Posts: 1843

    Well said voxpop.

     
  • NoName posted at 6:50 am on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    NoName Posts: 253

    Great letter. Unfortunately I just had my office re-keyed or I would be sending some business your way Dave...especially with the high prices charged by "County Lock and Key!"

     
  • Publius posted at 6:50 am on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    Publius Posts: 17

    LMCDA- Next time you need a good or service don’t go to the private sector. You don’t deserve it. Get in line like a good drone for your government cheese.

    Great letter Mr. Boerner.

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 6:44 am on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    LMYCDA Posts: 1843

    Your welcome notabove, my pleasure. You probably would not have known how to find what business this disrespectful man owns.

     
  • voxpop posted at 6:41 am on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    voxpop Posts: 738

    "That statement is not true for the business owners I know."

    This is the problem with business people like this. They enjoy the freedoms our police and military give them, the roads that provide interstate travel, the schools that educated them and their children but expect everyone to kiss their feet because they provide one or two lucky souls with a minimum wage job. They must pray to Gordon Gekko every night.

     
  • notabove posted at 6:24 am on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    notabove Posts: 27

    To LMYCDA. Thanks for doing the research. Mr. Boerner, I will be sure to use your business from now on should I need lock services. Great letter.

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 6:16 am on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    LMYCDA Posts: 1843

    sp "website" "animosity"

     
  • LMYCDA posted at 6:04 am on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.

    LMYCDA Posts: 1843

    What a hateful letter Mr. BOERNER. It only shows your contempt and disrespect for the President. This country is hurting because of people just like you and your continued propaganda against the President. By the way why did you did not mention what YOUR BUSINESS is? In searching the Idaho Secretary of State PUBLIC RECORDS webesite it would appear your business is Security Lock & Key. I will never use your services and will be sure to let everyone I know to call or use another company. Letters of this nature do no one including your business any good. It only creates more anomisty.

    When and if there ever is a natural disaster and you and your family or business need assistance, please do not request any, you do not deserve any.

     
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