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'Truth' PAC admits it lied

Group used fictitious emails to deceptively elicit responses

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Posted: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 12:00 am | Updated: 9:30 am, Wed Oct 30, 2013.

COEUR d'ALENE - Truth North Idaho, a newly formed political action committee, posted a message on its website Tuesday that appears to be an admission that it did, in fact, use fictitious emails to deceptively elicit responses from four Coeur d'Alene City Council candidates.

"TNI extensively researched the candidates' writings, official websites, and statements to determine their candid and honest answers to the questions posed, regardless of who is asking the question," the message said.

Jeremy Morris, president of Liberty Consulting, who manages public relations for TNI, did not respond to a telephone request to explain how he obtained the fictitious emails on Tuesday.

On Monday, Morris denied that TNI had anything to do with emails sent from Vince Harding and Samantha Tunic, but on Tuesday TNI posted the candidate responses to those emails in their entirety.

"Truth North Idaho PAC has not contacted any candidates, neither directly, nor through the auspices of a pen name," Morris had told The Press on Monday.

The candidate responses posted on TNI's website are directed to Vincent Harding, who left a phone number in his email. When The Press called the number Monday trying to contact Harding, Morris answered the phone.

The Harding email questioned only the four candidates who have been endorsed by Balance North Idaho, another political action committee that was formed earlier this year to endorse candidates in non-partisan elections based on their qualifications regardless of their partisan leanings.

Amy Evans, Steve Widmyer, Kiki Miller and Woody McEvers all responded to the email, but said on Tuesday that they thought it was a little suspicious.

The Harding email asked: "My question was about whether you would be willing to look into whether it is appropriate to have prayer - particularly a prayer administered from one religious Christian sect - at a public meeting. I would be happy to talk to you. But just a quick response from you acknowledging my concern and your willingness to look into it is all that I think is needed. You would not want me to sit this one out. I have many, many progressive friends in this community - and we vote!"

Evans said she couched her comments because she wasn't sure what Harding's motives were, but she stands by her response even though it was solicited in a deceptive way.

"I worked at the Kroc Center, where we started every meeting with a prayer," she said. "By no means would I come in and cut prayer in any way."

McEvers said he thought the email was asking if religions other than Christians would be welcome to pray at the council meetings, and he said he would welcome that. Since he has been on the council, they have always held an invocation at the beginning of the council meetings.

"In the 12 years I have been on the council, it has never come up as an issue, and now that it's an election year you'd think it was an end-of-the-world issue," he said, adding that even if the person scheduled to give a prayer didn't show, staff would usually give it.

Widmyer said it is interesting that Morris denied using fictitious names on Monday and then posted the evidence on Tuesday that TNI was behind the emails.

"I don't know where they get that I am against prayer," he said. "I stand by my position at the Young Republicans Forum at North Idaho College, where I said that even if the Supreme Court rules against it, I would still favor holding prayers before the council meetings."

Miller said she responded to the Harding email by explaining that the issue was being reviewed at the federal level and if it becomes an issue locally, she would have no problem looking into the appropriateness of prayers at public meetings.

"Regardless of what I think, the law is the law," Miller said, adding that her Harding email didn't include the word "Christian" and she wasn't sure what the writer was looking for.

Miller said for all she knew, they could have been asking if it was appropriate for the Aryan Nations to say a prayer, or some cult like the "Moonies."

"The way it was worded, I asked myself, 'what are they trying to get me to say?'" Miller said. "I really felt like someone was trying to get me to say something and use it against me."

Late Tuesday TNI demanded a retraction from The Press, saying the political action committee wasn't established until Oct. 25, and the fictitious emails were created on Oct. 16 and Oct. 21, so the organization could not have been behind the emails.

However, TNI Treasurer Barbara Hedden registered the Truthnorthidaho.com domain on Oct. 10. The Press stands by its stories.

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  • Fly in the ointment posted at 11:45 pm on Fri, Nov 1, 2013.

    Fly in the ointment Posts: 606

    "... the burden of proof …" <--- Mr. T


    parent posted at 1:56 pm on Thu, Oct 31, 2013.

    Widmyer is part of the political lies from the other side BUT he and his group do not make front page news BECAUSE the Press is on their side!
    Deny it, I dare you.
    People should not throw stones when they live in glass houses.
    : ) You never know when that house will SHATTER !


    JimmyJohn posted at 4:45
    What have they done that is newsworthy in your opinion?


    Please, tell us all Mr. Stoned. What HAS The Press done that is newsworthy?

    …besides conduct an " Hysterical insider's guide to self-incrimination" message board…lol

     
  • K9 posted at 9:03 am on Fri, Nov 1, 2013.

    K9 Posts: 2

    “The City of Excellence” will remain nothing more than a bumper sticker on a fire truck unless we begin to hold City Government accountable. This is not an attack on anyone in particular. This is a basic concept of great organizations. Any tragic event (to include million dollar law suit’s) need to be thoroughly investigated or else you run the risk of repeating that tragic event. For example, how in the world can we begin to select a new Chief of Police unless we first diagnose what problems exist within the PD and maybe even the upper ranks of the City Organization? How will we know what special skills this new Chief will need in order to address these problems unless we identify our problems before hand? If mistakes, or incompetence, or even unethical behavior are identified in the upper ranks of our PD and City Government, why would we want those parties involved in the selection process of our next Chief? Why would we let them have a part in who will conduct such an investigation?

    I suggest that we begin to ask ourselves, “Who is most likely to hold our City Government accountable?” That should be the candidate that gets your vote!

     
  • JimmyJohn posted at 5:54 pm on Thu, Oct 31, 2013.

    JimmyJohn Posts: 263

    "What difference does it make"

    So you are saying you do not care about the process, just the end result?

     
  • JimmyJohn posted at 4:45 pm on Thu, Oct 31, 2013.

    JimmyJohn Posts: 263

    What have they done that is newsworthy in your opinion?

     
  • Miketeague posted at 3:53 pm on Thu, Oct 31, 2013.

    Miketeague Posts: 1737

    Parent you are the one making an accusation, the burden of proof is on you, care to give examples of Widmyer lies?

     
  • parent posted at 1:56 pm on Thu, Oct 31, 2013.

    parent Posts: 346

    Widmyer is part of the political lies from the other side BUT he and his group do not make front page news BECAUSE the Press is on their side!
    Deny it, I dare you.
    People should not throw stones when they live in glass houses.
    : ) You never know when that house will SHATTER !

     
  • AnnoTater posted at 1:41 pm on Thu, Oct 31, 2013.

    AnnoTater Posts: 173

    uh huh.

     
  • AnnoTater posted at 1:39 pm on Thu, Oct 31, 2013.

    AnnoTater Posts: 173

    I didn't do it and I would ask the same thing.... what difference does it make where the questions came from, let them ALL answer them. The answers are what is revealing not the identity of those asking. Are the BNI slate candidates owning or not owning their answers and is not why not? I appreciate up front and forthcoming, plain talking politicians/candidates that give the same hones consistent answer regardless of where the question is coming from. Can the BNI slate of candidates spell pandering?

     
  • AnnoTater posted at 1:36 pm on Thu, Oct 31, 2013.

    AnnoTater Posts: 173

    Very well said! Selle is not the kind of "journalist" our city needs. He would do an excellent job in say, a Jay Carney type position.

     
  • AnnoTater posted at 1:31 pm on Thu, Oct 31, 2013.

    AnnoTater Posts: 173

    Definitely more of the same, we need a changing of the guard!!

     
  • AnnoTater posted at 1:29 pm on Thu, Oct 31, 2013.

    AnnoTater Posts: 173

    No, Wydmer left BNI as a founding member to pursue the Mayors position. BNI has been disingenuous from it's very inception. It was and is a PAC to thwart the objectives of the Reagan Republicans and more specifically Strategarie. (BNI founding member Eden is a direct competitor of Jeff Wards marketing company.) The hypocrisy is thick.

     
  • ceedub posted at 11:15 am on Thu, Oct 31, 2013.

    ceedub Posts: 5

    In case of confusion: Please note that True North Idaho has no affiliation or relationship to True North Church, a Church of the Nazarene. True North Church takes no action on behalf of, or in opposition to, any candidate in any election. Any inference or assumption to the contrary is specifically denied.

     
  • Fly in the ointment posted at 10:01 am on Thu, Oct 31, 2013.

    Fly in the ointment Posts: 606

    You think I'm the Rev? lol I honestly don't think Bill hangs here any more.

    No, sweetpea...I like seeing you get all worked up. You like to talk A LOT . I enjoy watching you prove it.

    You certainly were a chatty Cathy yesterday. >EG<
    Typical deflection though. Same-ol'-same-ol'.

     
  • Why Not posted at 7:37 am on Thu, Oct 31, 2013.

    Why Not Posts: 3734

    There's definitely something smelly about your third incarnation sticky fingers, the only thing missing is your outwardly religious delusions. Dude your analogies and chappy parables are really lame, why not tell us what your really think there you wannabe brainiac?

    6000 mile delusion... you can do better than that Rad. You haven't a clue who I am, but one thing for sure though, I am not an insider, just an interested bystander calling a spade a spade. Poor Mary, miscalculated by aligning her campaign with the American Taliban. Things like this happen to honest people who have a hard time making decisions and standing by them.

     
  • Thaddeus posted at 6:25 am on Thu, Oct 31, 2013.

    Thaddeus Posts: 232

    That's not what you said. Go back and try to read what you posted.


    I guess you didn't heed my warning. (Not that I really expected you to do so)

     
  • Fly in the ointment posted at 10:52 pm on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    Fly in the ointment Posts: 606

    There's something fishy about Why Not and Burgundy. A little too much common revelation. And then capt'n Thaddy chimes in. Screams Kennedy and Co. with a 6,000 mile diversion.

    Deny it. Then I'll pick it apart.

    It's that obvious.

     
  • parent posted at 10:09 pm on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    parent Posts: 346

    Pot calling kettle...... stinky politics!!!!
    and Widmyer was on the BNI board.

     
  • Fly in the ointment posted at 7:30 pm on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    Fly in the ointment Posts: 606

    "...The old guard is leaving stage right, gone to be not fondly remembered…" <--- MT


    Is this a "senior moment?" Like…huh?


    So huh, Miss "I live 6,000 miles away and GAS." Babble On was not an Amoritic dynasty of Mesopotamia.

    HTH hehehehe

     
  • Ron_Burgundy1988 posted at 4:13 pm on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    Ron_Burgundy1988 Posts: 39

    Sorry I missed the snide but now I get it. That was intended to be Souza-esque. Those are direct quotes and they have been picked up on the Spokesman Review site as well. Taliban is a good comparison.

     
  • Why Not posted at 3:24 pm on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    Why Not Posts: 3734

    Previously posted by Ron_B: On Truth North Idaho Facebook page

    Reagan Rubbadubdub Jeff Tyler: "Praise God! This is fantastic! It is time to put on the "Armor of God" and start a movement to restore the traditional family values that made this country great thanks to our Godly Founding Fathers. Truth is light and light pierces darkness!"

    Where have you heard this before, oh that's right Afghanistan, the Taliban. What exactly are we dealing with here a potential armed insurgency headed by Mullah Jeff?

     
  • Why Not posted at 3:14 pm on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    Why Not Posts: 3734

    Anchorman, I was being snide about the "word on the street" comment, that's true MS style. BTW, I just perused her Truth page, it's crazy. She believe's that this story was not newsworthy and that it's, what else, an attack on her. Under the tab concerning the City Clerks request for information, Mary states that is is a "demanding letter", not even.....Ever the Victim that MS

    Lordy Lordy, the comments from Jeff Tyler on FB (I don't Face Book), are you serious? Dude sounds like the freaking Taliban

     
  • Thaddeus posted at 1:23 pm on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    Thaddeus Posts: 232

    And who's on the board?
    Widmyer!
    parent


    No he's not. Go to the site and try reading for comprehenion for a change.

    ((((((Warning)))))) For parent: It's not in crayon so you might wanna get someone to read it to you.

     
  • Miketeague posted at 1:16 pm on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    Miketeague Posts: 1737

    CClavin the people you named are more than likely supporting Mr. Widmyer because they understand the alternative would be disastrous for all of CDA. If you look at the sunshine reports I think you’ll find that they are not trying to buy the election or the candidate like a few of the families paying for Souza. The old guard is leaving stage right, gone to be not fondly remembered, what we need now is someone with the ability, personal integrity and experience to clean up the mess and I believe Mr. Widmyer has shown he’s the person to get it done.
    Parent, Mr. Widmyer is not on the board of BNI and I really don’t think $6000 qualifies as a “big black pot” not when one family has given $5000 to Souza and another $1500 to the rest of the slate.

     
  • Ron_Burgundy1988 posted at 12:59 pm on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    Ron_Burgundy1988 Posts: 39

    On the public Facebook page for Truth North Idaho the Reagan Republican president Jeff Tyler and the TNI facebook moderator had a conversation about talking to pastors in town about this.

    Here are the comments: "Jeff Tyler: Praise God! This is fantastic! It is time to put on the "Armor of God" and start a movement to restore the traditional family values that made this country great thanks to our Godly Founding Fathers. Truth is light and light pierces darkness!"

    Then a response: "Truth North Idaho Thanks Jeff. TNI's representatives talked with a pastor in CDA today. As you said, "put on the armor of God." The message from TNI is clear: If you attempt to deceive the voters in North Idaho about where you really stand on the issues---your statements just might be made public. And believe me, we have more."

    The groups are collaborating in an open public discussion on Facebook. How is that gossip?

     
  • CHSdad posted at 12:52 pm on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    CHSdad Posts: 358

    I heard that raising a load of money for a city race was worthy of a dot-connecting exercise. I heard it from Souza. Intrepid, if you want to join up some dots why not look at how much Souza has raised and from where.

     
  • parent posted at 12:45 pm on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    parent Posts: 346

    Let's talk BNI shall we!!!!?????
    BIG BLACK POT!
    And who's on the board?
    Widmyer!
    Mike, you are SO transparent! : )

     
  • CClavin posted at 12:17 pm on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    CClavin Posts: 221

    Here is the way I look at it. I was on the fence about Steve Widmyer and thought about voting for him. However, a long list of his supporters, like Jack Riggs, Sara & Steve Meyer, Charlie Nipp, and a huge list of the same supporters of Bloem and Company has me wondering..............MORE OF THE SAME.

     
  • Why Not posted at 12:13 pm on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    Why Not Posts: 3734

    Let's not go down the he said she said road anchorman, citing gossip is hardly newsworthy you know.

     
  • Humanist posted at 10:59 am on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    Humanist Posts: 2966

    Anchorman, you said this in the first post on the original article yesterday: "Now Looky here. Guess who's name is all over Mary Souza's public Facebook page as one of her earliest supporters? That's right Jeremy Morris!! Mary Souza's campaign is once again behind this completely deceptive and false advertisement and smear campaign! I'm not surprised, are you?".
    http://www.cdapress.com/news/political/article_bc407c2d-9d6d-548f-a41c-b671e5267211.html#comment-3b5ad2d6-4073-11e3-8277-670df14bcd2d

    I looked at a Google cached version of that page from 10/26 and it is no different than how it looks today. Jeremy Morris had one comment on one photo. Hardly what I would call "all over" her page.

     
  • Ron_Burgundy1988 posted at 10:47 am on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    Ron_Burgundy1988 Posts: 39

    Who would this sleazy tactic benefit? The Reagan Republican candidates. Who are the Reagan Republican candidates? Souza, Fillios, Hebert, Adam. All of those four need to come out and say what they knew and when they knew it. They should submit to reporters questioning in a press conference with follow up questions. Word on the street is that they won't do that because the truth would be bad for them and there is more to the story. Who were the pastors involved? Word on the street is there was at least one well-known pastor involved in phrasing the question. Inquiring minds want to know! Now they are emailing candidates here in Post Falls, too!

     
  • 3Cheers posted at 10:38 am on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    3Cheers Posts: 353

    So why didn't the press call the democrats liars during the last presidential election? And where was the outrage from all Souza haters then? Did they still vote for the liars on the left?

     
  • Intrepid posted at 10:11 am on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    Intrepid Posts: 922

    I heard that Souza's childhood's family pet dog once bayed at the moon - so Mary Souza must believe in extraterrestrial aliens. Gosh what a loon, eh?

     
  • Miketeague posted at 10:09 am on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    Miketeague Posts: 1737

    Whether Mary had knowledge of this group and their lack of ethics only Mary can say. But like her Ocean of life response (only after an outcry) the lack of a statement from Mary and the rest of the slate speaks volumes. What’s next?

     
  • Fly in the ointment posted at 9:45 am on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    Fly in the ointment Posts: 606

    If it's true Mary Souza bumped this Jeremy Morris from her FB page then she needn't bother addressing this pathetic fiasco, MJ…the details are no longer pertinent, just the sensationalism for the haters.

    And besides, Mary has me :::leer:::

    You play nice today, Neverland! Later...

     
  • Humanist posted at 9:41 am on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    Humanist Posts: 2966

    Quote: "that spring up around here are absolutely retarded regardless of who they support. That being said:"

    That's all you needed to say. No need to read any further.

     
  • JimmyJohn posted at 9:40 am on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    JimmyJohn Posts: 263

    From TNI "TNI extensively researched the candidates' writings, official websites, and statements to determine their candid and honest answers to the questions posed, REGARDLESS OF WHO IS ASKING THE QUESTION"

    I think the last part is important and relates to them using the fictitious names. So yes they are subtlety admitting that they used the fictitious names when they previous denied it.

     
  • JimmyJohn posted at 9:37 am on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    JimmyJohn Posts: 263

    From TNI "TNI extensively researched the candidates' writings, official websites, and statements to determine their candid and honest answers to the questions posed, REGARDLESS OF WHO IS ASKING THE QUESTION"

    I think the last part is important and relates to them using the fictitious names.

     
  • AG11b1p posted at 9:23 am on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    AG11b1p Posts: 14

    I have no dog in this race and certainly think ALL the PAC's that spring up around here are absolutely retarded regardless of who they support. That being said:

    This article is YELLOW JOURNALISM at its finest.

    Jeff Selle is such an unabashed partisan it's not even funny. The statement he's referencing does not in any way say that the PAC is admitting to lying. The statement is them trying weasel out of things on technicalities for sure, but it's pretty clear from the statement, they don't think they are lying.

    This whole series of articles by Selle lead me to do some searching of my own and it's pretty clear that Selle is a hard core progressive. Thats fine, everyone has their own beliefs. I don't however enjoy the blatant skewing of facts to push his agenda in this paper.

    This isn't the NY Times or the Chicago Tribune. This is a small town paper and it would be great if we could get unbiased news. If people on the right act stupidly (which they do frequently) then report about it. If people on the left act stupidly (which they do frequently as well) then report about it. The need for sensationalist headlines to attack a side you don't agree with is best left to the opinion pages though.

    Jeff really needs to think about why he is in journalism. If he wants to be a reporter of the news, then report it fairly and accurately. If he wants to be in the PR business then go start a PR firm and then you can write all the biased and unsubstantiated "articles" you want.

    I really just want to read articles here that are truthful and fact based, not full of biased opinion. Frankly this makes our paper feel more like a tabloid then a legitimate new agency. If Selle never wasted his time on this then all of a dozen people would have heard of TNI or Oceans of Life.

    Please let me have a real newspaper that has stories that are news, not political gossip. I wouldn't even care if these stories were pursued by the Press if they were done so as more of a opinion/editorial/blog type of post, not the front page "news"

    Anyways my rant is done.

     
  • Humanist posted at 9:15 am on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    Humanist Posts: 2966

    Where did any candidate calling it "sleazy politics" ever SAY that Mary Souza was involved?

     
  • Why Not posted at 9:05 am on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    Why Not Posts: 3734

    Fly honey once again you are bending the truth o meter. Mr Sticky Fingers, where did you read that Widmyer called or implied that MS is sleazy? His actual comment was, "This is hardly Truth North Idaho. This is just sleazy politics. It is really disgusting." You Souza fans have a tendency to always feel victimized, whether by others or of course those unnamed evil rich power brokers you claim are doing this to discredit Souza. Actually for as long as I've known Mary, she does a pretty good job of it herself.

     
  • MockingJay posted at 8:43 am on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    MockingJay Posts: 60

    Dan Gookin wasn't involved and yet he publicly denounces these tactics. What about Mary and her fellow candidates on her slate?

     
  • Fly in the ointment posted at 8:33 am on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    Fly in the ointment Posts: 606

    Why aren't you vipers harping about putting Jeremy Morris' head on a stick? Perhaps the candidate calling this "sleazy politics" should issue a redaction and admit that Mary Souza was never involved.

    That would certainly be a step in the (correct) direction.

     
  • Humanist posted at 8:16 am on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    Humanist Posts: 2966

    Quote: "McEvers said he thought the email was asking if religions other than Christians would be welcome to pray at the council meetings, and he said he would welcome that. "

    Of course, the most simple solution is to simply not mix religion (any religion) and government and just stop the prayers. But barring that, the most reasonable solution is to allow anyone to lead a prayer before the council meetings. After-all, we are a society comprised of people of many different religions and non-religions. NONE of the candidates should have a problem with that. If they do, watch out.

     
  • SamuelStanding posted at 7:30 am on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    SamuelStanding Posts: 450

    "give 'em enough rope..."

    It is sad that what I believe to be our current and untrustworthy city leaders are only going to grow to what I believe -be even more untrustworthy. Neither candidate is worth having at the helm of our city leadership.

     
  • oscar posted at 7:29 am on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    oscar Posts: 935

    "I'm actually convinced that Mary's naysayers in the comments are the same folks with the "Downtown" agenda, and want to hog up that lake and all the shoreline for themselves"

    Being naïve doesn't make it correct. I and many of my friends signed the recall petition because of the park issue but sure cannot condone the sleazy predicaments the supporters of Sousa have gotten themselves nor her ramblings and rants. She would be a disaster of a mayor and will not receive my vote. .

     
  • whenwewereamerica posted at 7:15 am on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    whenwewereamerica Posts: 9

    And this headline is BOGUS. There is no proof that the headline is truthful or accurate. CDA press is propaganda and obviously biased.

     
  • whenwewereamerica posted at 7:13 am on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    whenwewereamerica Posts: 9

    Maybe Mary has to keep defending herself because people keep attacking her. Should she just say nothing at all and let the press say whatever they want whenever they want?
    I don't know the truth but in all fairness she is right about one thing. If the people do not gain back the right to vote about how our city spends our money then what? Downtown will probably become a completely elite and privatized community. It sickens me that the financial agenda of a few would be forced onto 40k tax paying residents. I'm actually convinced that Mary's naysayers in the comments are the same folks with the "Downtown" agenda, and want to hog up that lake and all the shoreline for themselves.

     
  • MockingJay posted at 6:55 am on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    MockingJay Posts: 60

    Good to see Dan Gookin denouncing this group's tactic. Will Mary do the same? Looks like a no. Her Truth #9 on her own Truth page is typical negative Mary -- deny, remind you she's been a target of criticism because people are out to get her, question why anyone would find this a story, then point the conversation to something someone else did that was wrong and, finally, cry foul over fairness. Check out the pattern yourself at http://maryformayorcda.com/truth.html.

     
  • Screen Name posted at 6:40 am on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    Screen Name Posts: 675

    Mr. Brent Regan - You want an example of irony? How 'bout a group claiming to advocate the truth engaging in deceptive practices and then lying about it? Add to the equation the fact that the group claims to be "steadfast in its determination to preserve and defend Christian family values in our community", and the degree of irony is multiplied exponentially. Are deception and lying Christian family values?

    Not only it the situation ironic, the deceitful behavior displayed by a entity that claims to "preserve and defend Christian family values" is the height of hypocrisy.

    What would Jesus say?

     
  • Why Not posted at 5:38 am on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    Why Not Posts: 3734

    WillP and CDA, Y'all been hiding under a rock? Jeremy Harris, Liberty Consulting, TNI, they are right wing Christian organizations desperately trying to win an election with lies and deceit. Thankfully they are either bunch morons, or are being collectively punished by their supernatural master.

    I was rolling on the floor laughing, Kiki Miller says she isn't sure if the emails from TNI/Liberty implied that maybe, Aryan Nations, or some cult like the "Moonies" might be invited for an invocation. What's the difference? Mighty Righty Christians, Aryans and Moonies are the same thing, are they not?

     
  • Will Penny posted at 4:56 am on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    Will Penny Posts: 244

    To: CDAforALL,

    You're kidding right!! Have you not been reading the press for the last few months? Hardly a day goes by without skewing stories in favor of the pretty people's candidates and skewering their opponents. The press has clearly made up its mind.

     
  • CDAforALL posted at 12:45 am on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    CDAforALL Posts: 237

    'Truth' PAC admits it lied - headline

    "posted a message on its website Tuesday that appears to be an admission that it did, in fact, use fictitious emails to deceptively elicit response"

    I'm sorry....which one is it? Did it "appear" that they lied.....or did they lie?

    I keep reading, but I'm not finding an answer to this.

    This is some stellar investigative journalism!

    Thanks for clearing this up. When can I expect the CDA press to issue a formal endorsement for council and mayoral candidates?

     
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