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Posted: Sunday, September 30, 2012 12:00 am

You don't have to have kids at Hayden Meadows Elementary or even in the Coeur d'Alene School District to feel like you have a stake in tomorrow's school board meeting.

That's because you do.

Under the microscope will be the district's Primary Years Programme at Hayden Meadows. Proponents will regale the school board with anecdotal and perhaps statistical support for continuation of PYP, a program for 3- to 12-year-olds that, according to its website, "focuses on the development of the whole child as an inquirer, both in the classroom and in the world outside." Also speaking out, no doubt, will be detractors of the program, some with personal experience and some with other political and philosophical views. All of these perspectives will have some value.

The PYP debate has grown well beyond the Hayden Meadows population because to many people, this issue is about much more than one controversial educational program. Some believe it's about state-sanctioned indoctrination of youth and enforced values that may be contrary to what's being taught at home or in church; others believe it's a significant test of public school districts' determination to offer educational alternatives to willing consumers even when some members of the school board don't necessarily agree with all aspects of those alternatives.

The only thing that seems certain about tomorrow night's meeting is that testimony will flow. The school board might - or might not - vote to kill PYP. It is hard to imagine that board members will vote to keep the program intact and move on to other issues. There is some chance the board will accept this newspaper's recommendation and take time to further study the effectiveness of PYP and the degree of desirability by local constituents, but the writing appears to be on the wall: PYP's days in Coeur d'Alene are numbered.

We make two requests today. First, that the participants in Monday's proceedings set a good example for the district's school children. Passion? Expected. Ardent disagreement? Fine. Shameful behavior? Leave that at home, please.

The other request is this: Members of the school board, if you do decide to relegate PYP to the same academic scrapheap where IB is headed, don't kill it until you have a suitable replacement. The big picture here has little to do with one specific program at one Coeur d'Alene-area elementary school. It has much more to do with providing public school choices, even if some of those choices run counter to your personal views.

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  • inclined posted at 6:59 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    inclined Posts: 681

    Since we are so many interested in the education of globalization, can we draw on this?

    The French Revolution (French: Révolution française; 1789–1799), was a period of radical social and political upheaval in France that had a major impact on France and throughout the rest of Europe. The absolute monarchy that had ruled France for centuries collapsed in three years. French society underwent an epic transformation, as feudal, aristocratic and religious privileges evaporated under a sustained assault from radical left-wing political groups, masses on the streets, and [unions in our schools]. This should ring a bell, quickly.

    We had, in this community, a very definite kind of feudal system, exemplified in the past school board. We had the good ole boy aristocrats. And the belief system and privileges of the Left, evaporated here some months ago. What you are witnessing is a microcosm of what is Left, what is "Right".

    The modern era has unfolded in the shadow of the French Revolution. The growth of republics and liberal democracies, the spread of secularism, the development of modern ideologies, and the invention of total war all mark their birth during the Revolution. This very setting, the discussion of IB as both a philosophy of progressiveism is not only about globalization, but a syncreti'sation of social, political and humanistic religious philosophy into a pablum to feed one world "governmentization".

    Bryan. We do have a forum. This paper provided (though not an unbiased format), a forum. You have missed month after month of a lingering aristocracy still running the City Council. You have missed the de'bauchery (from Old French desbaucher to corrupt, literally), of a school board in the illegal and court settled reversal of a trustee plant. We went through your formula as a community.

    You remind me of these quotes on compromise:

    But just as they did in Philadelphia when they were writing the constitution, sooner or later, you've got to compromise. You've got to start making the compromises that arrive at a consensus and move the country forward. Colin Powell
    If you just set out to be liked, you would be prepared to compromise on anything at any time, and you would achieve nothing. Margaret Thatcher
    All compromise is based on give and take, but there can be no give and take on fundamentals. Any compromise on mere fundamentals is a surrender. For it is all give and no take. Mahatma Gandhi

    The great problem is, there are many who have principles. Principles are an expression of perfection.
    You see, there is a perfection. It is found in Moral Law. That there are people that hold to the absolutes of Moral Law that defines for us what are equations to life and health and future is weird to many. People say, well, we're not perfect, so dealing with perfect is a compromise in practice. So God does what He does, and says, hope. We say, "you are not big enough for us to hope in the big things. We believe in death and taxes, period, really". We have chosen our God then, and our politics.

  • apathoid posted at 1:54 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    apathoid Posts: 211

    Get your kids out now, Bryan. You'll only regret it more the longer you wait. Try's every thing Hayden Meadows isn't but should be

  • Bryan Thompson posted at 1:04 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Bryan Thompson Posts: 2

    We are new to Hayden Meadows this year and cannot believe the environment of animosity that exists at this school!

    I have to imagine that we are among the majority of parents who need a lot more information about PYP; why we have this program vs. traditional curriculum, where does it come from, what are its objectives, does it produce effective outcomes etc.

    I can honestly say that there is a very real level of "intimidation" coming from both sides. The name calling, accusations, and implications coming from parents are degrading and have more long-lasting ramifications for our children than any system of education could ever have. To be honest, unless this environment is changed, I would rather send my children to ANY other school than this.

    I would suggest a forum, where both sides would have an equal amount of time to present their case to the school board and parents, with a set (short) amount of time for rebuttal, followed by a two-week waiting period where parents could digest all the information. This would be followed by an anonymous vote, for/against, to be presented to the school board (with transparent results). This would certainly eliminate the majority of name-calling and we could then truly call Hayden Meadows, a school of choice (whatever the majority chooses).

  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 7:52 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969

    The most significant and distinctive feature of the IB Primary Years Programme is the six transdisciplinary themes.
    These themes are about issues that have meaning for, and are important to, all of us. The six themes of global significance.
    Who we are
    Where we are in place and time
    How we express ourselves
    How the world works
    How we organize ourselves
    Sharing the planet

    Five essential elements
    The five essential elements—concepts, knowledge, skills, attitudes, action—are incorporated into this framework, so that students are given the opportunity to:

    *gain knowledge that is relevant and of global significance
    *develop an understanding of concepts, which allows them to make connections throughout their learning
    *acquire transdisciplinary and disciplinary skills
    *develop attitudes that will lead to international-mindedness
    *take action as a consequence of their learning.

    I have no problem with the 2nd or 3rd parts of this but the rest is not appropriate for a General education as we should be funding. Pull out all the come by here,"kumbaya" indoctrination for the onw world order view, and what is left would be unobjectionable to most. Oh wait pull all of that out and we already have all the rest, so the program is not needed.

  • parent posted at 7:38 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    parent Posts: 347

    ".most of which is privately provided by the parents of the school."

  • Jeffrey Wherley posted at 6:45 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Jeffrey Wherley Posts: 3969

    Idaho is mandated to provide a "maintain a general, uniform and thorough system of public, free common schools." Nothing more without maintaining it from a separate fund. State funding should be limited to only those programs that ARE General and Uniform in every school across the state. Then if you want choice the cost such come from the community that chooses to add such a program without taking from the base curriculum.

    This is the biggest problem with this frivolous call for choices. Charter schools give some choice, but private schools give the most ability for choice. If PYP and IB people want their program funded for their kids they should open their Private option school, a voucher system would work great for this, but same people for IB and PYP are generally against Voucher systems and competition. Their hypocrisy is immense trying to sell it as choice while fighting against real choice.
    This is what make America work, Free enterprise and free choice. Free choice is removed when a General education is interfered with may substituting General education funding to special non-education programs.
    Teach the General education curriculum and let the families build their social skills, and explain what is acceptable and not acceptable to their choices not the mob rule of the day.

  • angryNIdaho posted at 10:52 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    angryNIdaho Posts: 81

    The main reason to kill PYP? They spell program "PROGRAMME."

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